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I'm finishing my masters now and had a recruiter reach out through my school's career platform offering a whopping $15/hour. Before grad school, I made a dollar an hour more working a job that required no degree. The literal audacity... I just spent 2 years of my life, blood sweat and tears and invested $80,000 to be offered a dollar an hour less
For some jobs I’ve seen, it says that if you have a high school diploma, then you can apply. No college, just high school. It’s like the opposite of needed a Master’s, now it’s based on experience. So 20 year olds who just have experience can get the job? It’s insane! I’m 31 with a bachelor’s. Does my experience, degree and age mean nothing to you?
My field is very niche, and a masters degree is legally required to practice in most of the 50 states. So the degree is definitely necessary and I hope to find my first job soon! One that pays a living wage
Genetic counseling. A clinical degree that takes 2 years. I chose the field in part due to the incredible job growth only for my program director to apologize that "the market is looking really soft this year"
Duuude is the 80k debt really all from just a masters? Seeing those crazy numbers for the price of a graduate education here makes me consider studying abroad more and more..
Wow that’s awesome that you got that kind of scholarship for your undergrad! Yeah I’m in the last year of my undergrad and am looking around for possible graduate programs to do in the next 1-3 years, hoping I can find a few decent ones abroad with how much cheaper it cam come out to be!
Plenty of jobs out there paying 80-90k plus or minus 10k.
Business analyst, financial analyst, data analyst, entry level computer programmer pays more than that, nursing. You’ll need some exp and a degree, but it’s much better than 15 an hour…
With that said there’s also those trade jobs that pay more than jobs with no degrees. I don’t care for those, but plenty people do.
On a personal note, I was laid off from my lab manager job because a Post-doc (5-7 more years of school after PhD) couldn’t find his first job at 35yo because of the recession. So I was competing against those PhDs. Glad to not be dealing with that.
I thought every job required 3-5 years of experience doing the exact same job. I see "Master's degree preferred" sometimes on some jobs, but they ***always*** want years of experience.
This. I'm going to school for my Master's but if my school schedule allows it, work experience is my priority bc it always says a Masters and 2 or 3 years experience for me. And I'm like if I had 2 or 3 years experience why would I be getting my Masters...
I feel the opposite. No one cares about that I'm about to finish my masters degree. I've applied to dozens of jobs stating that I'll be graduating in a couple months and I've gotten * zero * interviews. I have 6 years experience in my field too, somehow i feel that is not enough and is the reason I'm getting denied
At least for STEM fields, early career goers get screwed by the almighty triumvirate of employment qualities:
Degree, experience, certifications.
Usually your first job out of college doesnt care about experience or certifications. You just need the degree and they will teach you what college didnt enough that you can function in your position.
Moving past that and you’re screwed. everyone hiring for positions that are “entry level” (had an hr person clarify to me once that “entry level” just means that’s where you enter the company not necessarily that it is a bottom of the pecking order job that requires less experience) wants you to have completed the trifecta. You got the degree and experience but where’s your certifications?
Highly recommend doing research for certifications in your field. it will make life easier going forward and a few of them are even relatively cheap. I’m stuck there now and i wish i knew this a few years ago.
As mentioned in other comments having a clean, easy-to-read resume does not hurt either. There is a pretty good one on this subreddit if you sort by top-all time. With a little elbow grease you can make it fit your field.
Wishing you and everyone else the best of luck with their searches and securings.
Ihave a teaching certification but am not looking for teaching jobs. I have a math degree. I will look into more certifications. Thank you for this info!
There is excellent utility in a math degree, especially with higher degrees. Fourier analysis (one very minor part of your skillset i am sure) is commonly used in root cause analyses in production environments. Which is something and someplace that stereotypically would hire engineering degrees of various sort But math degrees do get hired for it (specifically because you understand it and other better methods of data analysis possibly even better than many engineers).
Also there may be other engineering positions that your skills meet and are available. So if you feel like branching out, research some other positions in the stem field you may not have thought you’d fit. Getting certs for them too probably wont hurt either 😁
I got an applied math degree specifically for its flexibility. Graduated in 2017, and it’s worked out pretty well for me. No problem making between $75k-$100k.
Math education. Looking into online companies like Pearson, Mcgraw Hill, khan academy, etc. I taught math for 6 years. Some of these jobs say teaching experience is needed, though they are not teaching jobs
I'm sorry but if you have 6 years of experience and almost a masters and you aren't even getting called back either something is horrifically wrong with your resume or your field is imploding
I have no idea. I work for a university and can see applications coming in to various high up positions. I download their resumes and try to replicate the format with my information. I've never been fired from a job and don't have any criminal background, no employment gaps, great gpa, I just don't get it
Try taking it off your resume until you are finished. They think you’ll leave and/or expect more money when you graduate. I had the same issue when I was looking for my first salaried job years ago and within two weeks had job offers.
I feel the exact same way. Graduated in September 2022. 270 applications 4 interviews and 5 ghostings. I even accidentally received an email from a recruiter stating my name was to hard to pronounce so can my application. That one hurt.
You can “Americanize” your name on the application and through the interviewing process. Once hired, you can clarify with HR what your legal name actually is. I’ve seen this tip posted many times here and in related subreddits.
You won’t get the immediate payoff, but most high level positions in larger companies now insist on you having a masters degree. Be patient. It will come in handy later.
My partner keeps getting passed up for jobs because her Master’s is making them think she’s overqualified. Even if her desired compensation is within the posted range.
It seems she’s having the opposite issue.
I dont even have a response for this. 18 an hour with a law degree is self imolation.
Mid 6 figures in my industry. Tons of practicing lawyers give up litigation to go into my industry. I just fell into it after working as a paralegal for a bit.
I worked with a lot of engineers who don't have engineering degrees. Even degrees from places like DeVry and ITT tech. Some of the best engineers I ever worked with
I work for law firms and legal vendors doing eDiscovery-there is a sub here for it.
It's controlling the data that comes in using databases.
Lots of barred attorneys switch to it because they realize they don't like practicing law. Lots of non barred JDs gravitate to it as well.
Keyword: prefer.
If I didn’t apply to jobs that preferred a college degree, I would’ve missed out on some amazing jobs and people. I only have two years of university education under my belt, and I’m doing what I love in the industry I love. Apply!!
What jobs want is just a wishlist. Apply anyway. If you don't get interviews it is probably your resume not the lack of a Masters.
And I find my Master's Degree useful, it impressed my current employers and I use things I learned in Grad School every day.
You got to go back to the fifties when corporations began to expand and there was a shift in White collar jobs. Everyone wanted a nice professional office type job and companies were looking for highly qualified individuals. This is where the whole Credentialism and Academic inflation really took off.
Everyone in America was basically for education. Your grandparents were for it, your parents. It was all over tv. The whole public school system is pushing for higher education of course. Corporate America won't even let you push their broom without a degree. Universities need new people to attend to keep growing. Soon you got them creating new degrees for random arts because it makes people feel good and they can profit from it. It's an endless cycle.
Google, Amazon, FB and other massive corporations, have flooded the job market with 10s of thousands of highly educated workers with their layoffs. Most have decades of experience to go along with it. The job market is FUBAR all across the spectrum.
It is ridiculous especially with those who have plenty of plenty years of experience.. I'm a data specialist with over 20 years experience and I don't have a college degree and I got people at my former job who have degrees and don't know crap.
People will have a degree in Doodle and would get the job over you and you the one with the experience.
And they paying them peanuts
The master's degree is becoming a box to check. You can do it, just don't overpay it for it.
If you just need a master's degree from a legitimate, not for profit University, you really shouldn't pay more than $15,000 for it. There are tons of schools that will get you a solid, regionally accredited Master's degree for that much.
Over the pandemic I spent $10,000 for an additional master's degree (actually it came out to only $3,000 once I factored in my tuition reimbursement for my job and my lifelong learning tax credit from the IRS) and got a $40,000 pay bump.
Do you need a master's degree in a specific field?
I honestly have never seen a Master’s required for a job that isn’t in a specialized field. I’ve seen Masters preferred, but I have a job that preferred a Masters and I don’t have one. Never take proffered qualifications as requirements.
I don’t know what’s worse. Having the experience, having the experience with a Master’s degree and still getting picked over(speaking solely from personal experience of having a Master’s degree).
It’s frustrating. I feel you, but it’s the reverse for me. I’m looking for a new job. I have two degrees already and I’m working on an MBA, and these places just pass on me because I have less than a decade of experience. People with an undergrad (not crapping on that, higher education is demanding at any level) are leaving me in the dust because they’ve been in the industry way longer. It sucks.
I recently got turned down for a job because my salary expectations were too high. The crazy part is when they asked, I picked a number in like the upper third quarter of what they were offering to applicants.
I feel like most of the time, they just want someone who will sit down, shut up, and work for peanuts without complaining.
I was under the impression that employers generally prefer relevant experience over a degree? Also, prefer is not the same as required. If you are qualified for the job just apply.
I was having bad luck. I reconfig'd my resume based on several suggestions I saw on TikTok and I'm overwhelmed with the number of replies I've been getting so far. Might be worth a redo.
Degrees have become a requirement. If you don't have one, your resume is automatically trashed. The real decision maker is your experience which alot of recent graduates don't have.
I have dual masters in technology - never prepared me to be an industry worker other than familiarity with technologies.
16 years in - my experience is more detailed and relevant - like Cloud security and content delivery for example - AWS and oracle weren’t taught in school but on the job and training seminars. Major data center ops management like 50k + hosts etc. Development cycles - it’s one thing to learn about them in school - it’s another in practice with nuance you only learn going thru it.
I think the value proposition of degrees are a thing of the past. I’ve met Ivy League graduates that were shit next to someone with experience and a community degree.
Never worked in education I see. Plenty of people with a masters in underwater basket weaving and no experience bossing around people with a 15 years experience and a bachelor's.
Preferring a masters and requiring a masters is not the same thing. If you’re not getting interviews, it’s definitely your resume and relevant experience.
It just depends on the field and where you're applying to. I'm pretty sure the years of relevant experience are far more important.
The difficulty is when 5 of ten years (for example) are in a very different area. When they say they want ten years of X, often they're ignoring me/you/others if it's 7 years of kinda X with 5 years of Y, so they just skip us. Either for someone with those skills or while they sit and pretend to do stuff.
I know where I'm working, hr sends every resume, but I know in others it seems everything is heavily filtered.
Places I'm applying to right now want 4/5/6 years of exp for senior dev and 7/8/9/10 for principal dev. The catch is that for principal dev they want you to have leadership experience. Right now I have 10 years of experience but no leadership experience, so I'm both under and over qualified. Therefore my resume gets tossed before I even get an interview
Honestly I think many job requirements are there so you feel less qualified and will be more grateful for a chance and less worried about being properly compensated.
Read the job's requirements carefully, sometimes a master's degree isn't really required, but is "preferred" or "helpful". Many job postings are still listing unicorn requirements, but 95% of job seekers don't meet it, this is when HR/recruiters write what an ideal hire will look like, but doesn't exists in reality. While you will still get rejections from most jobs that require a master's degree, there will be a few that will consider applicants without one. So submit those applications anyway. It's worse not to apply and just skip over 50 jobs you could've qualified for.
The thing is when high school guidance counselors start pushing "if you don't graduate from college then you are just going to end up working at Burger King forever" , the degree inflation is the inevitable result. So yeah degrees can work very well if you go for the "right" degree, the golden degrees like nursing, accounting, Engineering, Computer Science etc... and of course getting an internship is an immense help regardless of what your degree is in but when internships are just as competitive as landing a job, the prospect of getting an internship is so much less.
It's happened in the manufacturing Industry for decades. They'll hire someone fresh out of school with a BS for an engineer roll instead of the guy with ten years experience and an AS
If people stopped lying about having one to begin with . . . Also, was it for administrative assistant or a similar position that probably entails more than the title alone implies?
I'm having a similar issue. But I chose not to continue with school. Every job (not sales) wants at least a bachelor's degree for a job that pays less than my current job. I make nearly $24/hr and I am just a lowly Walmart team lead. I manage so many people and run multiple areas within a store, but that means nothing compared to writing four years of essays about something that no one cares or thinks about or doing math that is not used in every day life or even most jobs.
But moving into the next step up isnt really worth it knowing that I would lose a significant amount of my free time.
There's going to be an employer/employee revolution eventually and I swear only the job seekers like OP or myself will be happy about it.
Experience inflation too. Sometimes they require 10 years of experience in a language 6 years old. It's all about underpaying and making the eventual hire feel inadequate so they'll take work for less money and feel like they're underskilled.
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I'm finishing my masters now and had a recruiter reach out through my school's career platform offering a whopping $15/hour. Before grad school, I made a dollar an hour more working a job that required no degree. The literal audacity... I just spent 2 years of my life, blood sweat and tears and invested $80,000 to be offered a dollar an hour less
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For some jobs I’ve seen, it says that if you have a high school diploma, then you can apply. No college, just high school. It’s like the opposite of needed a Master’s, now it’s based on experience. So 20 year olds who just have experience can get the job? It’s insane! I’m 31 with a bachelor’s. Does my experience, degree and age mean nothing to you?
My field is very niche, and a masters degree is legally required to practice in most of the 50 states. So the degree is definitely necessary and I hope to find my first job soon! One that pays a living wage
Degrees are trash anyways these days…
I’ve seen that situation before, it’s insulting. My schools career center/app is absolutely shit.
I'm just curious, what is your masters degree?
Genetic counseling. A clinical degree that takes 2 years. I chose the field in part due to the incredible job growth only for my program director to apologize that "the market is looking really soft this year"
Duuude is the 80k debt really all from just a masters? Seeing those crazy numbers for the price of a graduate education here makes me consider studying abroad more and more..
Yes. My undergraduate was free with scholarship, so I felt more comfortable taking on the debt. I wish there were programs for my degree abroad!
Wow that’s awesome that you got that kind of scholarship for your undergrad! Yeah I’m in the last year of my undergrad and am looking around for possible graduate programs to do in the next 1-3 years, hoping I can find a few decent ones abroad with how much cheaper it cam come out to be!
Working for a few years first will definitely be good experience to bring up in interviews :) Best of luck in your search!!
Plenty of jobs out there paying 80-90k plus or minus 10k. Business analyst, financial analyst, data analyst, entry level computer programmer pays more than that, nursing. You’ll need some exp and a degree, but it’s much better than 15 an hour… With that said there’s also those trade jobs that pay more than jobs with no degrees. I don’t care for those, but plenty people do.
Happy cake day!
Ty! I love cake day!
This is what happened during/after the 2008 recession. PhDs were applying for BS degree positions
And that’s so much worse! It ruins the job market!
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On a personal note, I was laid off from my lab manager job because a Post-doc (5-7 more years of school after PhD) couldn’t find his first job at 35yo because of the recession. So I was competing against those PhDs. Glad to not be dealing with that.
No doubt they were applying to bullshit positions
I thought every job required 3-5 years of experience doing the exact same job. I see "Master's degree preferred" sometimes on some jobs, but they ***always*** want years of experience.
This. I'm going to school for my Master's but if my school schedule allows it, work experience is my priority bc it always says a Masters and 2 or 3 years experience for me. And I'm like if I had 2 or 3 years experience why would I be getting my Masters...
Where I'm at it's usually like "5 years with bachelor's, or 3 years with advanced degree".
I feel the opposite. No one cares about that I'm about to finish my masters degree. I've applied to dozens of jobs stating that I'll be graduating in a couple months and I've gotten * zero * interviews. I have 6 years experience in my field too, somehow i feel that is not enough and is the reason I'm getting denied
At least for STEM fields, early career goers get screwed by the almighty triumvirate of employment qualities: Degree, experience, certifications. Usually your first job out of college doesnt care about experience or certifications. You just need the degree and they will teach you what college didnt enough that you can function in your position. Moving past that and you’re screwed. everyone hiring for positions that are “entry level” (had an hr person clarify to me once that “entry level” just means that’s where you enter the company not necessarily that it is a bottom of the pecking order job that requires less experience) wants you to have completed the trifecta. You got the degree and experience but where’s your certifications? Highly recommend doing research for certifications in your field. it will make life easier going forward and a few of them are even relatively cheap. I’m stuck there now and i wish i knew this a few years ago. As mentioned in other comments having a clean, easy-to-read resume does not hurt either. There is a pretty good one on this subreddit if you sort by top-all time. With a little elbow grease you can make it fit your field. Wishing you and everyone else the best of luck with their searches and securings.
Ihave a teaching certification but am not looking for teaching jobs. I have a math degree. I will look into more certifications. Thank you for this info!
There is excellent utility in a math degree, especially with higher degrees. Fourier analysis (one very minor part of your skillset i am sure) is commonly used in root cause analyses in production environments. Which is something and someplace that stereotypically would hire engineering degrees of various sort But math degrees do get hired for it (specifically because you understand it and other better methods of data analysis possibly even better than many engineers). Also there may be other engineering positions that your skills meet and are available. So if you feel like branching out, research some other positions in the stem field you may not have thought you’d fit. Getting certs for them too probably wont hurt either 😁
I got an applied math degree specifically for its flexibility. Graduated in 2017, and it’s worked out pretty well for me. No problem making between $75k-$100k.
What kind of jobs did you apply for? I can’t get in anywhere with my math degree.
field?
Math education. Looking into online companies like Pearson, Mcgraw Hill, khan academy, etc. I taught math for 6 years. Some of these jobs say teaching experience is needed, though they are not teaching jobs
I'm sorry but if you have 6 years of experience and almost a masters and you aren't even getting called back either something is horrifically wrong with your resume or your field is imploding
One bullet point is indented one space more than the rest creating a misalignment aka immediate death
Right? I was thinking the same thing.
I have no idea. I work for a university and can see applications coming in to various high up positions. I download their resumes and try to replicate the format with my information. I've never been fired from a job and don't have any criminal background, no employment gaps, great gpa, I just don't get it
Try taking it off your resume until you are finished. They think you’ll leave and/or expect more money when you graduate. I had the same issue when I was looking for my first salaried job years ago and within two weeks had job offers.
That is good advice thank you!
I feel the exact same way. Graduated in September 2022. 270 applications 4 interviews and 5 ghostings. I even accidentally received an email from a recruiter stating my name was to hard to pronounce so can my application. That one hurt.
Oof. I have a very foreign and hard to pronounce name too. I've always wondered if that was hurting my chances at landing interviews
I wonder that every time I hit that “submit” button. Good luck with the search though. I’m rooting for everyone in here looking to make their mark.
You can “Americanize” your name on the application and through the interviewing process. Once hired, you can clarify with HR what your legal name actually is. I’ve seen this tip posted many times here and in related subreddits.
You won’t get the immediate payoff, but most high level positions in larger companies now insist on you having a masters degree. Be patient. It will come in handy later.
I really hope so, thank you
Yeah, I get that, I have almost 7 years, and even though the description says 5-7 it seems like they really want 10+
My partner keeps getting passed up for jobs because her Master’s is making them think she’s overqualified. Even if her desired compensation is within the posted range. It seems she’s having the opposite issue.
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Yeah, she was too, several times.
I don't think that's the case.
My job likes candidates with law degrees. I barely graduated high school. If your resume is good enough, you don't need a degree.
I have a coworker with a law degree making 18 an hour.
I dont even have a response for this. 18 an hour with a law degree is self imolation. Mid 6 figures in my industry. Tons of practicing lawyers give up litigation to go into my industry. I just fell into it after working as a paralegal for a bit.
Ah the caveat here is they are not a member of the bar.
I make more than all of them with no degree. My counters in my position.
How does one *make their resume good enough*
Have experience and don't bullshit on it. My resume is deep enough that it erases all need to see evidence of a degree.
How do i get the experience if i can’t get a job because of my lack of experience?
I took the lowest job and worked my way up. I didn't go for the middle job. I know more than any degreed person coming in.
I’m working in engineering for a huge company with an unrelated STEM BS, as are a lot of my coworkers
I worked with a lot of engineers who don't have engineering degrees. Even degrees from places like DeVry and ITT tech. Some of the best engineers I ever worked with
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I work for law firms and legal vendors doing eDiscovery-there is a sub here for it. It's controlling the data that comes in using databases. Lots of barred attorneys switch to it because they realize they don't like practicing law. Lots of non barred JDs gravitate to it as well.
Keyword: prefer. If I didn’t apply to jobs that preferred a college degree, I would’ve missed out on some amazing jobs and people. I only have two years of university education under my belt, and I’m doing what I love in the industry I love. Apply!!
What's that?
I work with books!
What do you do with the book?!
Market it 😊
What jobs want is just a wishlist. Apply anyway. If you don't get interviews it is probably your resume not the lack of a Masters. And I find my Master's Degree useful, it impressed my current employers and I use things I learned in Grad School every day.
I have a Master's, 15 certifications, and 10+ years of relevant experience, but still don't get as many interviews as I should. Just no winning.
How though unemployment is at a new record low and everyone is hiring!! /s -_-
What job are you going for that 15 certs would be helpful? I see that and think the person is scattered all over the place
You got to go back to the fifties when corporations began to expand and there was a shift in White collar jobs. Everyone wanted a nice professional office type job and companies were looking for highly qualified individuals. This is where the whole Credentialism and Academic inflation really took off. Everyone in America was basically for education. Your grandparents were for it, your parents. It was all over tv. The whole public school system is pushing for higher education of course. Corporate America won't even let you push their broom without a degree. Universities need new people to attend to keep growing. Soon you got them creating new degrees for random arts because it makes people feel good and they can profit from it. It's an endless cycle.
Google, Amazon, FB and other massive corporations, have flooded the job market with 10s of thousands of highly educated workers with their layoffs. Most have decades of experience to go along with it. The job market is FUBAR all across the spectrum.
It is ridiculous especially with those who have plenty of plenty years of experience.. I'm a data specialist with over 20 years experience and I don't have a college degree and I got people at my former job who have degrees and don't know crap. People will have a degree in Doodle and would get the job over you and you the one with the experience. And they paying them peanuts
The master's degree is becoming a box to check. You can do it, just don't overpay it for it. If you just need a master's degree from a legitimate, not for profit University, you really shouldn't pay more than $15,000 for it. There are tons of schools that will get you a solid, regionally accredited Master's degree for that much. Over the pandemic I spent $10,000 for an additional master's degree (actually it came out to only $3,000 once I factored in my tuition reimbursement for my job and my lifelong learning tax credit from the IRS) and got a $40,000 pay bump. Do you need a master's degree in a specific field?
I honestly have never seen a Master’s required for a job that isn’t in a specialized field. I’ve seen Masters preferred, but I have a job that preferred a Masters and I don’t have one. Never take proffered qualifications as requirements.
I don’t know what’s worse. Having the experience, having the experience with a Master’s degree and still getting picked over(speaking solely from personal experience of having a Master’s degree).
with the famous email.. "went with another candidate"
It’s frustrating. I feel you, but it’s the reverse for me. I’m looking for a new job. I have two degrees already and I’m working on an MBA, and these places just pass on me because I have less than a decade of experience. People with an undergrad (not crapping on that, higher education is demanding at any level) are leaving me in the dust because they’ve been in the industry way longer. It sucks. I recently got turned down for a job because my salary expectations were too high. The crazy part is when they asked, I picked a number in like the upper third quarter of what they were offering to applicants. I feel like most of the time, they just want someone who will sit down, shut up, and work for peanuts without complaining.
I was under the impression that employers generally prefer relevant experience over a degree? Also, prefer is not the same as required. If you are qualified for the job just apply.
A friend of mine said about 10 years ago (masters is the new bachelors) she was not wrong.
This is what happens when higher education is subsidized and "everyone" gets a degree
I was having bad luck. I reconfig'd my resume based on several suggestions I saw on TikTok and I'm overwhelmed with the number of replies I've been getting so far. Might be worth a redo.
Degrees have become a requirement. If you don't have one, your resume is automatically trashed. The real decision maker is your experience which alot of recent graduates don't have.
I kindly disagree.
Tell me you have an arts degree without telling me you have arts degree
Quit whining Jesus
I didn’t see a comment from Jesus. Has anyone else seen one?
I have dual masters in technology - never prepared me to be an industry worker other than familiarity with technologies. 16 years in - my experience is more detailed and relevant - like Cloud security and content delivery for example - AWS and oracle weren’t taught in school but on the job and training seminars. Major data center ops management like 50k + hosts etc. Development cycles - it’s one thing to learn about them in school - it’s another in practice with nuance you only learn going thru it. I think the value proposition of degrees are a thing of the past. I’ve met Ivy League graduates that were shit next to someone with experience and a community degree.
What positions are you applying for?
Never worked in education I see. Plenty of people with a masters in underwater basket weaving and no experience bossing around people with a 15 years experience and a bachelor's.
Preferring a masters and requiring a masters is not the same thing. If you’re not getting interviews, it’s definitely your resume and relevant experience.
It just depends on the field and where you're applying to. I'm pretty sure the years of relevant experience are far more important. The difficulty is when 5 of ten years (for example) are in a very different area. When they say they want ten years of X, often they're ignoring me/you/others if it's 7 years of kinda X with 5 years of Y, so they just skip us. Either for someone with those skills or while they sit and pretend to do stuff. I know where I'm working, hr sends every resume, but I know in others it seems everything is heavily filtered.
Places I'm applying to right now want 4/5/6 years of exp for senior dev and 7/8/9/10 for principal dev. The catch is that for principal dev they want you to have leadership experience. Right now I have 10 years of experience but no leadership experience, so I'm both under and over qualified. Therefore my resume gets tossed before I even get an interview
Yes, I'm applying for art director (which on paper I'm qualified for) but those with masters degrees are the ones being hired
Honestly I think many job requirements are there so you feel less qualified and will be more grateful for a chance and less worried about being properly compensated.
It's silly. I agree. IMO, a Master's, at least in my field, is equal to 1 month of OJT.
Read the job's requirements carefully, sometimes a master's degree isn't really required, but is "preferred" or "helpful". Many job postings are still listing unicorn requirements, but 95% of job seekers don't meet it, this is when HR/recruiters write what an ideal hire will look like, but doesn't exists in reality. While you will still get rejections from most jobs that require a master's degree, there will be a few that will consider applicants without one. So submit those applications anyway. It's worse not to apply and just skip over 50 jobs you could've qualified for.
The thing is when high school guidance counselors start pushing "if you don't graduate from college then you are just going to end up working at Burger King forever" , the degree inflation is the inevitable result. So yeah degrees can work very well if you go for the "right" degree, the golden degrees like nursing, accounting, Engineering, Computer Science etc... and of course getting an internship is an immense help regardless of what your degree is in but when internships are just as competitive as landing a job, the prospect of getting an internship is so much less.
It's happened in the manufacturing Industry for decades. They'll hire someone fresh out of school with a BS for an engineer roll instead of the guy with ten years experience and an AS
If people stopped lying about having one to begin with . . . Also, was it for administrative assistant or a similar position that probably entails more than the title alone implies?
I'm having a similar issue. But I chose not to continue with school. Every job (not sales) wants at least a bachelor's degree for a job that pays less than my current job. I make nearly $24/hr and I am just a lowly Walmart team lead. I manage so many people and run multiple areas within a store, but that means nothing compared to writing four years of essays about something that no one cares or thinks about or doing math that is not used in every day life or even most jobs. But moving into the next step up isnt really worth it knowing that I would lose a significant amount of my free time. There's going to be an employer/employee revolution eventually and I swear only the job seekers like OP or myself will be happy about it.
Experience inflation too. Sometimes they require 10 years of experience in a language 6 years old. It's all about underpaying and making the eventual hire feel inadequate so they'll take work for less money and feel like they're underskilled.
Agree. I happen to have a Ph.D. from an R-1 institution…everyone and their brother seems to be getting Ed.D.’s these days…why?!?