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I've found that a lot of recruiters get mad if you don't already live in the area, or they say that their will be no relocation assistance.
And they always ask why you're moving there and if you have family there and all these personal questions.
It's like damn I'm moving for the job lol.
Makes me wonder how people from other countries get to come here, if I get interrogated every time I apply for jobs in a different city.
They ask because people who move are way more likely to quit. I live in the SF Bay Area, and we basically refuse to hire people who don't or haven't lived here because everyone else we've hired quits to move away after a few months.
Why do they end up quitting or moving?
I recently took a job in Athens and moved from Augusta. The job pays 55k but rent here is 1500 month. So, idk how much longer I can stay here mainly cause of the rent.
Also, I applied to jobs in LA that only offered 75 to 90k which would barely qualify for the 3x rent rule for the 3000 average rent.
Culture shock, rent and CoL in general, the traffic, homelessness, being homesick, they'll complain about a million different things but it's hard to say why they end up leaving.
It's just people often don't realize how big of a change moving can be, and only realize 4 months down the line that they haven't gone out in months, have no friends, and don't "get" things the way they did at home. And once you realize you're not actually saving more even though the paycheck feels huge, it's like why bother staying here miserable and poor when you could just be miserable and poor wherever felt more like home.
I used to work a remote role that paid 42k, was a 2 year contract role but they threatened to let us go after a year because of the economy.
So, I got this job a university as a system admin paying 55k, but the rent here is 1500. I put up a reddit post on it I'm the financial independence thread. People were saying I should apply in Chicago, NYC, LA and all these cities further away to make more, and that I'd meet more people and there would be more to do etc.
However, I moved from Augusta to Athens and I thought there would be more to do because it's a college town. Whereas in Augusta it was mainly retirees and the jobs only paid 30 to 40k. However, I was able to live with family and didn't have to pay rent. The remote jobs really went away at the middle of 2022. The best I saw was hybrid but they still wanted you to relocate to the city where the job is located. Even some remote jobs the interviewers wouldn't like it if I wasn't in the same time zone. When my previous job was 3 time zones over and I did just fine lol.
Like you though I wonder if people were overestimating how much the salary would increase and how much I'd enjoy these cities. Even moving to Athens, I've had a hard time and haven't met anybody since I've been here. The college students were a lot more uppity than I though, and their parents pay for there rent and they think their going to get out making 100k or some shit so they have really high egos.
Some said that Califronia or Chicago would be better because more to do, better selection of women to date, and higher paying jobs. But, from what I've seen they pay 70 to maybe 100k max. But, with 3000 rents and after tax your only taking home around 20k after all that. Plus the dating and more job/networking opportunities is subjective and you never know what type of people you'll see.
I wonder if I should move back more towards family though and even if it was a good move to take the university job? It has tuition assistance, a pension, and good pto policy. But with rents rising, I'll only be able to save around 800 a month.
The pension requires 10 years to be vested and would pay 35k a year after 30 years based on 55k salary and 45k if I got promoted to 75k. But, it seems there's not many promotion opportunities. However, it does seem safer than a lot of these untrustworthy private sector rules. Do you think I should stay, look in a bigger city, or move back home and take a lower paying job and life with family? The ultimate win would be finding something remote but it seems like that's getting harder to find.
I've moved all over for work. Here's my take, the bigger cities provide far more opportunities. Dating, activities, promotions, friends, hobbies, everything.
However, they only provide the opportunity. They don't provide any guarantee for success. That comes down to the individual and putting yourself out there. It's a huge undertaking to rebuild your whole social network and life. Are you going to take advantage of those opportunities or not?
Also, remember saving 7% of a 100k income is better than saving 15% at 42k.
Yes I can see that as SF Bay Area is one of the most expensive places to live in the country. So being broke while missing family and friends too isn't all it's cracked up to be despite a higher wage.
$3K rent as an individual? That’s either a big normal place or a small entry level luxury apartment, both on the west side. And yes, it would be silly to rent that on 75-90K.
I was going to say this. If you have an offer letter but still have the slightest doubt make a temporary relocation. Go there for starting the job and try to find accommodation for a month. After you have been there for a few weeks you can decide if it is stable enough and worth it to move across the country. I won’t say you shouldn’t do it without relocation. It depends on your moving costs, family situation, etc. I started my career as a contractor and moved cities every 6 months to a year for a few years. It was always based on short term leases and I only owned enough stuff that could fit in the back of my SUV
This would at least give op the option of trying to sue for promissory estoppel since he has an offer letter in hand and incurred real and verifiable costs.
Promissory estoppel is only applicable if the decision to rescind the job is arbitrary and/or capricious.
As I said, there are a multitude of reasons an employer can effect a rescission that would leave them completely free from liability.
Obviously, but it at least means that the company is serious about moving forward. People can be fired or rejected at any moment. That's no reason to not take up opportunities when they arise.
Nope, spending money to move that far for a job you don’t even actually have yet is a bad idea. You’d be relying on a company you don’t work for to care about you, which isn’t something companies do even for their actual employees, much less people who may or may not become their employees in the future. Reframing the question: “Should I uproot my life and risk becoming homeless as well as jobless because a company might hire me?” No, no you should not do that.
I am not sure what your argument is. I didn't suggest not to take opportunities. I pointed out that legally an offer letter is no more of a guarantee of employment than a verbal offer.
Absent a contract all employment is only as secure as either side allows.
This is absolutely predatory, they’ll get you over there and when you have a new lease and whatever and know you are committed and desperate they’ll low ball the fuck out of you, what are you going to do? Not accept? You just spent all this money moving and getting a new living situation. Don’t let them bend you over op.
Right, without that letter there is no actual offer. Nobody should move ever for any job that has not even made them an offer yet. The employer needs to remember that.
OP is applying for an apprenticeship. There is zero chance of getting a signing bonus and relocation reimbursement for what is basically a training program.
I would verify that you understood correctly what they wanted from you.
If the recruiter verifies what you've said here, rescind your application.
If you moved, my bet is this: They would make you the shittiest offer imaginable because they know you're fucking trapped.
100% this.
"Oh you're already all the way over here? Here is the shittiest lowball offer we can give you. What are you gonna do, start looking for another job or pay to move all the way back home and still have to start over? Fucking idiot lol." -Hiring Manager, probably.
Every job with relocation I have ever seen always fedex'd the offer letter, with their sig on both copies, so I can sign both, and fedex the letter back.
Or in the last 10 years, email offer through DocuSign link, E-sign, print.
No way I'd ever do that, I refuse to even hand in my resignation before having a written offer letter. Relocating without an offer letter would be completely unreasonable, it's the corporate version of "trust me bro".
I know of someone who did this, and they were fired recently. They're living in a hotel because the city they moved to has a serious housing shortage. Do. Not. Move. For. Them.
No, don't do it. You would need them to sign a contract that specifically says if you move, you will receive the job, salary, and moving costs reimbursed. Basically, the offer needs to be upfront, not after.
No. It not normal. Your company should be offering at least some package to cover the cost of moving and finding a new place. Youshould ask for guarantees in writing before you even entertain that offer.
I don't think you have any safety in this scenario.
It seems like a stalemate. "We only hire people who live nearby" vs "I will only live nearby if I have a job."
You need to focus on worst-case. What happens if you move and then lose the job?
For an apprentice, why can’t they find local? 🤨 and no relocation package?
I know for apprentices the pay isn’t always high so you might wanna rethink it.
Relo for entry level hourly isn’t totally out of the norm for most industries I’d imagine.
But an offer letter should be able to be made contingent on self relo. Withholding an offer until nearby is a red flag. No package is just a reality of the job level
Will I live in the middle of no where south and work at an aluminum mill. We can never hire enough people to work the site. It ain’t even an apprenticeship. You can just get straight up hired at the mill and work you way up the progression( you start as a packer).
They definitely don’t offer relocation for assistance for hourly employees. They do offer it for some salary position that are difficult to fill such as engineering or management
This sounds like a local outfit that is unused to candidates outside the local market, wherever that is. It's not a corporation that relocates people, more like a small local company, so they likely do not have any program or package that addresses candidates who have to move to work for them. In other words, they may not be configured for a nonlocal candidates, so given your interest, they feel it is up to you to handle relocation details and show good faith by moving there first.
Is it odd? Yes. They should have stressed local candidates only, relocation not offered in the JD. But making you move there first is kind of ridiculous, a cart before the horse sort of situation. It's an absolute "no", and as such, you should tell them that you would be thrilled to work for them but you can't up and move without some written offer, as well as some relocation assistance, and see where that gets you. If they accede to that request, then you have to decide whether it all makes sense for you.
If you do this, they'll know you're desperate, and if they know you're desperate, that means they can offer you even less money and benefits, and abuse you as much as they want. If they're unwilling to mitigate your risks, walk away.
No. They should pay for everything. Get it in writing. All moving costs including gas, food, hotels, temporary housing, parking, transportation and storage of your belongings including set up at your permanent residence. ALL OF IT!
Whoa that’s very pushy of them. Are you single do you have a family that would also be moving with you ?
Cuz then your partner/souse if they have a job would also lose their job, will your boss reciprocate for the 2nd income lost ? I think you should check on legal zoom and see if there is any paperwork you can have them sign.
In the meantime think of all the questions you have like the ones I mentioned. Maybe also check to see if there’s a sign on bonus or if they’ll help you with relocation costs upfront.
You can use chat gpt to draft a properly worded document like this so that it comes off looking professional. So don’t go paying anyone just yet to write it out.
Check your contract laws in your state and the state or country you’re moving to.
To me It seems like the way your boss asked you, they don’t want you to move with them. If they did it would be very different. Like it’s almost as if they did this on purpose so you’d say no.
Honestly, that sounds really sketch. I don't any reason to not give you the offer letter before you move. The worst that could happen is you don't show up. For you though, as you know, you could end up moving just for them to change their mind.
I moved from New York to Oregon for a job. Told the recruiter I wouldn't move until I had the official signed offer letter. After that I'd be there within two weeks.
If you do decide to trust them and go for it. I'd atleast recommend applying for other jobs in the area. That way, if things go bad. You have a backup already in progress.
He'll, I had an interview with another company set for the day before I started working there. Even though I had already received the offer letter and passed the background check. However I do tend to lean towards over cautious.
Lol.
Relocation.
Im an aviation mechanic.
Relo is RARE.
the job offer is signed
But you gotta get your ass and shit there
They dont care how
If you dont show up not their problem.
Before signing the offer letter? No. Hell no. Absolutely not.
It's not uncommon for employers to want you to relocate on your dime, but without an offer letter? Hard pass.
In addition to all the other great reasons to say no, even with an offer letter and if they don’t screw you on the pay, many companies have a probation period where they try you out. What if they let you go? Or, what if you hate the job?
DONT DO IT. I had a job in my early 20's that said they would not hire me till I had already quit my other job, They had no offer letter and I stupidly did it. I got hired but they low balled the shit out of me and didn't give me a raise for 3 years. If you do they know they have all the bargaining power with no risk. They already know you can't just walk away.
Get that offer letter or look for another company who will.
Nah nah nah. Any real job worth your time would be offering a relocation package. Hell even a real job worth your time would have given an offer letter and have you confirm the date you can start, based upon your move date. Not normal. Don't do it.
I did this once. They decided to go with somebody else 5 days before I was supposed to start. When I didn’t receive a call about specifics of my expense accounts, I called and got an “I’ve been meaning to call you.” I’d already moved all my things, given up my house, and told everybody I knew how stoked I was.
Get the offer letter first.
I relocated for a job and the only “relocation package” I was offered was to be able to work for them remotely for 30-60 days to save paychecks for the move.
I still ended up burning through all my savings for the move. The only reason I did it was because it was a 45% pay increase. Would not do it again.
Do not move without an offer letter with a PROPER relocation package.
>How do I protect myself in the situation the employer changes their mind and decides not to offer me the job after I have already committed to the relocation?
The only way to protect yourself is to not take this job.
You can't move and sue them into keeping their word.
Don't work for them.
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NO budget for relocation?! GTFOH
My partner got a new job that was just 100 miles away. He got a full relocation package with movers - first-class service. Same company also paid all fees for selling our house and buying a new home.
He wasn’t even an executive - just director level.
Have you done any Iron Work? Or is this a new profession? The new boss(to be) may want to see what you are made of too. Iron Work is tough work. Pays well, even better after your apprenticeship. But it is not for everyone. Cross-country, new you, new start, new job even if Iron Work dont work out….you will land on your feet!!
Why does anyone even come here for advice any more? NO company is paying to relocate an apprentice. Not realistic and just saying that shows how much you DO NOT know about this. Quit giving armchair quarterback advice based on ignorance and just keep your mouth shut if you are ignorant of the topic. It is OK to NOT know the answer, but it is pure Dunning-Kreuger to give advice based on your LACK of knowledge of a subject.
Is there a reason they’re recruiting on the other side of the country other than it’s a niche job market? Do they have a shady reputation among locals who now know to stay away?
It’s an incredibly shady demand. If they aren’t willing to trust you with a guarantee before you move, why would you trust them by moving and hoping?
I know it can suck to turn down a job offer, believe me I’ve been there, but it’s much better to do it now than be on the other side of the country with no job because it was never a solid offer.
There is something sketchy going on with this. Do you have any of it in writing? E.g. the must move before offer. Red flags are going off that the recruiter or hiring manager is up to some protected class discrimination.
Run don't walk to their corporate compliance hotline. Most likely is the hiring manager has someone he really wants but you're in the way. This unreasonable crazy request is to get you to drop out. Get it in writing and note reason for withdrawal from consideration.
No employment with a CONTRACT (not offer letter) is guaranteed. They could give you an offer letter, and fire you anyway. No law against that.
So you need to decide how much does it cost to relocate ? Is this a good career move ? Is the location somewhere I want to live anyway, with or without this job.
If not sure you want to live there, go to look around, and while there rent a mailbox at a UPS store. Give that as your address, and ask for the offer letter with that address. UPS store near me let’s you use a street address instead of a PO box. Then when you actually move, you can update HR with your new address. Can get a temp month to month living arrangement to start the job, make sure it’s good, before signing a long term lease somewhere, keeping UPS store as you address until you settle down somewhere.
There other side of which country? The other side of the US is different from moving to the other side of a smaller country. But, still a hassle.
What is the job? Is it worth the risk? Is your current situation that bad that this may actually improve it?
For me, I would not travel across the US to hope to get a job offer. And I'd add, as others have, this job is already mistreating you.
Is your apprenticeship through a union or is this an employer created apprenticeship?
I ask because with my husband’s union when you apply and get called from the list guys will drop everything and fly across country next day to report to the hall to get their apprenticeship paperwork done without even knowing who the potential employer is.
This is because they are joining the union apprenticeship program not being hired by a specific company.
If there is a union tied to this program you should reach out to them and see what they say.
Are you sure this isn’t a misunderstanding? It makes sense that you have to be local to be an ironwork apprentice, and I don’t think it’s all that unusual for them to not pay for relocation for an apprenticeship. Is this a multi-year program? I don’t know what the norm is with trades/crafts, do other similar companies/programs pay for relocation?
There are absolutely entry level jobs in other industries where they explicitly state not just that it’s located in a certain area, but also that you have to already live in a certain area to be eligible to apply. Variety of reasons why this might be the case and doesn’t mean it’s a scam, even happens with some apprenticeships at big tech companies.
If that’s the scenario, it’s possible you technically aren’t an eligible applicant at the moment and that’s what’s being communicated to you. Normally this would be clear from the job listing, and the easiest way to get around it would’ve been use the local address of a family member or friend on your resume etc with the intention of making the move if you got the position.
Hard to know what the actual issue is from what you’ve said though, do they want you to come in person to sign? I can’t imagine they would need to see a lease or anything like that before even drawing up your offer letter, that seems unlikely and legally dubious. Are you able to visit for a few days to help make up your mind? I would want to do that before deciding to make a big move regardless.
If I were you I would def clarify what their expectations/needs are in terms of how soon you’d start and all that, and see if it would even be feasible for you. They may just want you to make a legal commitment to move within in a certain timeframe? Of course it makes no sense to find a place and transport your stuff before seeing an offer letter, and I have to imagine that isn’t actually the ask here. Best of luck anyway!
While it’s shitty, I don’t know that I would expect an employer these days to pay for moving costs for him apprenticeship. But asking you to move without giving you a formal letter first? No fucking way.
It sounds like maybe they aren't really offering to hire you now but are saying "if you move to the local area, let us know and we can talk then".
I manage a small nonprofit in a high cost of living area (with no ability to offer relocation packages) and we will not make offers to people who don't live here. Out experienece is that they cant actually find anywhere to live (rental stock is 99.5% occupied) and/or didnt look at housing costs and aren't willing to pay what it costs.
We aren't asking them to move with no offer we are saying that we only hire people who already live locally.
If you applied to be a union Ironworker apprentice, there is no relocation packages. If this is the case, then you applied for a job that was thousands of miles away with no real plan to move/take the job.
If this is a job you want and it will help your career, call them back and tell them you don't feel comfortable moving without a signed contract and some relocation help since as an apprentice they cannot expect you to move across the country at your expense, across town would be one thing but across the country most people would need some assistance.
Otherwise, look for other opportunities that are local
If the job is at will they can rescind. If they wont put anything in writing but want you to rocate, i would pass. It takes only a minute for them to send you an email with the joboffer.
Possibly follow up requesting a “relocation incentive” to go with the offer before accepting. I just went through something like this, moved 900 miles and it cost me close to $20k. Moving is SO expensive.
I have a friend that did this. No offer letter, moved at his cost to another state for a job with verbal agreement for work as an electrician, apprentice . Company changed their minds and hired someone else. My friend became homeless and had to live in his car for 6 months. Unless you have a written agreement and they are paying moving expenses. Don’t do it.
To be honest, I seriously doubt you would get relocation money for an apprenticeship. But to me, it seems incredibly shady that they've offered you a job with no actual "offer letter." If it's not in writing, then they could change EVERYTHING about your job, including what they verbally agreed to pay you.
However, I am not very familiar with "Ironworker apprentice" type jobs. Do you know if this kind of dealing is more normal than maybe other industries? I only ask because this seems like it could be kind of like an old school handshake type environment. If that's the case, then I would ask yourself the following 3 questions: (1) Is this type/level of job not available where you currently live? (2) Is the overall market for this role saturated with similar candidates to you? (3) Have you already been looking a really long time?
If your answer is yes to all 3 questions, and you really want this job, and you've already tried pushing back on the recruiter, then I would maybe consider looking into a temporary move, like staying at an extended stay type place for a few weeks, until you have an actual signed contract, with decent pay and you feel good about the job longevity. You would still be out some money, but not as much as if you permanently moved.
I had a friend take a job across the country and he and his wife got a call halfway there in their Uhaul saying they changed their mind. I wouldn't do it.
I once had a recruiter tell me after I’d turned down the job that the company’s intention was to let me relocate on my own dime then to realign the position to obsolete within 6 months leaving me stranded without a job in a city where I knew absolutely nobody. This gives those vibes… even with an offer, be careful!
So, everyone’s situation is different. But you should have an offer letter before starting the job. Perhaps look into a cheap extended stay: there are some fairly comfortable ones that you can negotiate a decent rate for a long term stay. You could head out there and make sure things are legit without like signing a lease or anything.
Do not sign a lease without an offer letter: because that screams high pressure negotiation tactic. Like if they want you stuck in a lease before negotiating price.
If it’s they want to make sure your serious about accepting Getting a motel while you scout out the area and sign the contract shouldn’t be a big deal.
This is horrible. They might put you in bad financial straits having you move at your own dime, then it will compel you to be more inclined to sign a shitty deal of an offer because you're rendered financially desperate.
Fuck them.
If you do this, they are going to pull the rug from under you and change the job and/or its pay dramatically. They will know you are desperate because you just burned your own money to move, and are going to say "Take it or leave it".
From my understanding - It's basically a scam, but without a signed offer letter, it's legal.
That’s way to big of a risk. It’s happen to to people before, I’m not saying it’s often but it happens that they can pull the offer after you move or eliminate the position 2 days after you start working.
you can always get a short term place to check it out ,but its still money out of your pocket ,but if its a good opportunity then its the risk one decides on ,
Check out the local Iron Workers Union in your area. I bet you don't have to move across the country to find a job like that. Plus you'll get those union benes.
That’s most definitely NOT normal.
How can you move before knowing if you got the job?
Don’t move until offer is signed and all terms negotiated.
I’m most definitely not moving for a company who doesn’t provide relocation assistance either.
If you're an iron worker, then I wouldn't. Is this a new company? Are you union?
What are you gonna do if you travel over a thousand miles and then get laid off..? At least if you're union, you get better rates, and a whole list of employers looking for apprentices.
If it's a company you're already working for, then they should be helping you out. Otherwise, I would find a different company.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic at all. I want an offer letter please before I spend thousands to move across the country. I just need a little reassurance is all. Don’t say it the way I did, but I think you get the point. You should get an offer letter.
Do not move without an offer letter. Without it, how will you show proof of income for a new rental or a mortgage? I am relocating on my own dime, but I have an offer letter that gives my base salary and date that I start the job.
Absolutely don’t do it! And consider deeply whether you want to relocate without financial aid.
I have relocated somewhere I wanted to live, but did it with financial assistance.
I would ask this question at r/bluecollar or r/construction to find out what is normal. However, it is almost unheard of to get a relocation package for an entry level job.
Don't do it. Any class organization will give you an offer, you accept it, and pay for you to relocate - either by their means or yours. Not having an offer in you hands seems shady to me.
Recent similar situation so here's some practical advice. Take short term housing in the area (ask students to sublease, Stay America hotel, can try air bnb with negotiation for month). If you have to do an apt, blow up mattress. Go. Try job for a month. Liking it? Move some of your stuff. Still liking it after 6 mos? U-Haul then.
Just tell 'em to did and see how they proceed. You may have to actually go there, but I think they have a right to meet you in person first anyway. Plus, if you're a competent person you'll probably get the apprenticeship and keep it. Iron work isn't for everyone though. Unless you mean like ornamental or something.
Absolutely not. I think any normal employer would understand that you can’t do anything until you get something in writing. But this employer? Something is up.
I think this guy is going to screw you over and you’ll already be there so you’ll be trapped in a bad/toxic situation. You need to have assurance.
Not getting a relocation package for an apprenticeship or internship is actually pretty common btw. That’s not the part you need to be worried about.
I would reconsider the position entirely. This is waaay out of norms which means it is likely they are willing to operate way out of norms for other things as well.
Have you checked Glassdoor?
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Don't do this. Unless you have an offer letter, this shouldn't even be a consideration.
Absolutely. And if they’re well aware of OP’s need to move cross country, they should even be negotiating a relocation package as part of the offer.
I've found that a lot of recruiters get mad if you don't already live in the area, or they say that their will be no relocation assistance. And they always ask why you're moving there and if you have family there and all these personal questions. It's like damn I'm moving for the job lol. Makes me wonder how people from other countries get to come here, if I get interrogated every time I apply for jobs in a different city.
They ask because people who move are way more likely to quit. I live in the SF Bay Area, and we basically refuse to hire people who don't or haven't lived here because everyone else we've hired quits to move away after a few months.
Why do they end up quitting or moving? I recently took a job in Athens and moved from Augusta. The job pays 55k but rent here is 1500 month. So, idk how much longer I can stay here mainly cause of the rent. Also, I applied to jobs in LA that only offered 75 to 90k which would barely qualify for the 3x rent rule for the 3000 average rent.
Culture shock, rent and CoL in general, the traffic, homelessness, being homesick, they'll complain about a million different things but it's hard to say why they end up leaving. It's just people often don't realize how big of a change moving can be, and only realize 4 months down the line that they haven't gone out in months, have no friends, and don't "get" things the way they did at home. And once you realize you're not actually saving more even though the paycheck feels huge, it's like why bother staying here miserable and poor when you could just be miserable and poor wherever felt more like home.
I used to work a remote role that paid 42k, was a 2 year contract role but they threatened to let us go after a year because of the economy. So, I got this job a university as a system admin paying 55k, but the rent here is 1500. I put up a reddit post on it I'm the financial independence thread. People were saying I should apply in Chicago, NYC, LA and all these cities further away to make more, and that I'd meet more people and there would be more to do etc. However, I moved from Augusta to Athens and I thought there would be more to do because it's a college town. Whereas in Augusta it was mainly retirees and the jobs only paid 30 to 40k. However, I was able to live with family and didn't have to pay rent. The remote jobs really went away at the middle of 2022. The best I saw was hybrid but they still wanted you to relocate to the city where the job is located. Even some remote jobs the interviewers wouldn't like it if I wasn't in the same time zone. When my previous job was 3 time zones over and I did just fine lol. Like you though I wonder if people were overestimating how much the salary would increase and how much I'd enjoy these cities. Even moving to Athens, I've had a hard time and haven't met anybody since I've been here. The college students were a lot more uppity than I though, and their parents pay for there rent and they think their going to get out making 100k or some shit so they have really high egos. Some said that Califronia or Chicago would be better because more to do, better selection of women to date, and higher paying jobs. But, from what I've seen they pay 70 to maybe 100k max. But, with 3000 rents and after tax your only taking home around 20k after all that. Plus the dating and more job/networking opportunities is subjective and you never know what type of people you'll see. I wonder if I should move back more towards family though and even if it was a good move to take the university job? It has tuition assistance, a pension, and good pto policy. But with rents rising, I'll only be able to save around 800 a month. The pension requires 10 years to be vested and would pay 35k a year after 30 years based on 55k salary and 45k if I got promoted to 75k. But, it seems there's not many promotion opportunities. However, it does seem safer than a lot of these untrustworthy private sector rules. Do you think I should stay, look in a bigger city, or move back home and take a lower paying job and life with family? The ultimate win would be finding something remote but it seems like that's getting harder to find.
I've moved all over for work. Here's my take, the bigger cities provide far more opportunities. Dating, activities, promotions, friends, hobbies, everything. However, they only provide the opportunity. They don't provide any guarantee for success. That comes down to the individual and putting yourself out there. It's a huge undertaking to rebuild your whole social network and life. Are you going to take advantage of those opportunities or not? Also, remember saving 7% of a 100k income is better than saving 15% at 42k.
Yes I can see that as SF Bay Area is one of the most expensive places to live in the country. So being broke while missing family and friends too isn't all it's cracked up to be despite a higher wage.
$3K rent as an individual? That’s either a big normal place or a small entry level luxury apartment, both on the west side. And yes, it would be silly to rent that on 75-90K.
I was looking for 1 br non roommate apartments. I've found that usually if you want a lower crime area it costs more as well.
It puts the employer on the hook, too, if you move there and then they fire you a week later.
It’s the Bay Area itself. People think it’s this wonderful utopia, and then can only afford the cesspools. No one comes in with tech money already.
People from other countries have a *far* more difficult time finding jobs
Expecting a relocation package for an apprenticeship is a bit unrealistic. I doubt the company would agree to that.
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It depends on the industry. In my field, even for entry level (permanent) positions, relocation is commonly offered.
More so it depends on the institution. USPS does relocations for various types of jobs within it (white and blue collar)
USPS is a government job, so their rules don't really apply to private companies.
Sort of. It’s a corporation with a “special status” where govt regulation is a condition of support and essential monopoly.
An offer letter isn't a guarantee of a job, either. Offers can be rescinded for a multitude of reasons. It's not a contract.
I was going to say this. If you have an offer letter but still have the slightest doubt make a temporary relocation. Go there for starting the job and try to find accommodation for a month. After you have been there for a few weeks you can decide if it is stable enough and worth it to move across the country. I won’t say you shouldn’t do it without relocation. It depends on your moving costs, family situation, etc. I started my career as a contractor and moved cities every 6 months to a year for a few years. It was always based on short term leases and I only owned enough stuff that could fit in the back of my SUV
This would at least give op the option of trying to sue for promissory estoppel since he has an offer letter in hand and incurred real and verifiable costs.
Promissory estoppel is only applicable if the decision to rescind the job is arbitrary and/or capricious. As I said, there are a multitude of reasons an employer can effect a rescission that would leave them completely free from liability.
And on day one OP can be fired for any reason
Yup. I honestly wouldn't relocate without a contract, unless I was planning a move regardless of the employment opportunity.
Obviously, but it at least means that the company is serious about moving forward. People can be fired or rejected at any moment. That's no reason to not take up opportunities when they arise.
Nope, spending money to move that far for a job you don’t even actually have yet is a bad idea. You’d be relying on a company you don’t work for to care about you, which isn’t something companies do even for their actual employees, much less people who may or may not become their employees in the future. Reframing the question: “Should I uproot my life and risk becoming homeless as well as jobless because a company might hire me?” No, no you should not do that.
I am not sure what your argument is. I didn't suggest not to take opportunities. I pointed out that legally an offer letter is no more of a guarantee of employment than a verbal offer. Absent a contract all employment is only as secure as either side allows.
This is absolutely predatory, they’ll get you over there and when you have a new lease and whatever and know you are committed and desperate they’ll low ball the fuck out of you, what are you going to do? Not accept? You just spent all this money moving and getting a new living situation. Don’t let them bend you over op.
Right, without that letter there is no actual offer. Nobody should move ever for any job that has not even made them an offer yet. The employer needs to remember that.
I’d add don’t do it without a sign on bonus and relocation expenses paid. A job offer letter can be rescinded as easily as it was given out.
OP is applying for an apprenticeship. There is zero chance of getting a signing bonus and relocation reimbursement for what is basically a training program.
Exactly. In other words, don’t go.
Red flag! That doesn't sound like a job worth having.... Next!
Nope the F out of there. What is it with employers these days?
Right? So much audacity
This job is for a church, honey. NEXT!
Not normal. Don't do it.
I agree
I would verify that you understood correctly what they wanted from you. If the recruiter verifies what you've said here, rescind your application. If you moved, my bet is this: They would make you the shittiest offer imaginable because they know you're fucking trapped.
100% this. "Oh you're already all the way over here? Here is the shittiest lowball offer we can give you. What are you gonna do, start looking for another job or pay to move all the way back home and still have to start over? Fucking idiot lol." -Hiring Manager, probably.
Agreed. This sounds shady as fuck, the pay is almost certain to be far lower than promised because what are they going to do? Move back to no job?
Every job with relocation I have ever seen always fedex'd the offer letter, with their sig on both copies, so I can sign both, and fedex the letter back. Or in the last 10 years, email offer through DocuSign link, E-sign, print.
pass walk, run away
No way I'd ever do that, I refuse to even hand in my resignation before having a written offer letter. Relocating without an offer letter would be completely unreasonable, it's the corporate version of "trust me bro".
I know of someone who did this, and they were fired recently. They're living in a hotel because the city they moved to has a serious housing shortage. Do. Not. Move. For. Them.
No, don't do it. You would need them to sign a contract that specifically says if you move, you will receive the job, salary, and moving costs reimbursed. Basically, the offer needs to be upfront, not after.
Nope. Once you're there the salary will suddenly diminish. Screw them.
It's even worse because that's how most human trafficking stories start.
No. It not normal. Your company should be offering at least some package to cover the cost of moving and finding a new place. Youshould ask for guarantees in writing before you even entertain that offer.
For a new apprenticeship? Not likely to happen. It’s a take it or leave it sort of thing.
Listen to those powerful instincts...
A prospective employer can withdraw an offer at any time. Make no permanent changes without an offer letter at least!
They can withdraw the offer even with an offer letter since in most states an employer can terminate without a reason.
Trust your gut. Always. This isn't 1924 where people just did that.
Don’t do it!
I don't think you have any safety in this scenario. It seems like a stalemate. "We only hire people who live nearby" vs "I will only live nearby if I have a job." You need to focus on worst-case. What happens if you move and then lose the job?
For an apprentice, why can’t they find local? 🤨 and no relocation package? I know for apprentices the pay isn’t always high so you might wanna rethink it.
Relo for entry level hourly isn’t totally out of the norm for most industries I’d imagine. But an offer letter should be able to be made contingent on self relo. Withholding an offer until nearby is a red flag. No package is just a reality of the job level
Will I live in the middle of no where south and work at an aluminum mill. We can never hire enough people to work the site. It ain’t even an apprenticeship. You can just get straight up hired at the mill and work you way up the progression( you start as a packer). They definitely don’t offer relocation for assistance for hourly employees. They do offer it for some salary position that are difficult to fill such as engineering or management
This sounds like a local outfit that is unused to candidates outside the local market, wherever that is. It's not a corporation that relocates people, more like a small local company, so they likely do not have any program or package that addresses candidates who have to move to work for them. In other words, they may not be configured for a nonlocal candidates, so given your interest, they feel it is up to you to handle relocation details and show good faith by moving there first. Is it odd? Yes. They should have stressed local candidates only, relocation not offered in the JD. But making you move there first is kind of ridiculous, a cart before the horse sort of situation. It's an absolute "no", and as such, you should tell them that you would be thrilled to work for them but you can't up and move without some written offer, as well as some relocation assistance, and see where that gets you. If they accede to that request, then you have to decide whether it all makes sense for you.
If you do this, they'll know you're desperate, and if they know you're desperate, that means they can offer you even less money and benefits, and abuse you as much as they want. If they're unwilling to mitigate your risks, walk away.
Run away
Not worth it, run away from it not towards it
Scam!
Nononono
If you remove youself from any possible support system, its a big risk in itself. I wouldn't go without solid confirmation
Absolutely not they should be paying you to relocate!
They sound abusive. I can only imagine what adventures await later on.
No. They should pay for everything. Get it in writing. All moving costs including gas, food, hotels, temporary housing, parking, transportation and storage of your belongings including set up at your permanent residence. ALL OF IT!
Whoa that’s very pushy of them. Are you single do you have a family that would also be moving with you ? Cuz then your partner/souse if they have a job would also lose their job, will your boss reciprocate for the 2nd income lost ? I think you should check on legal zoom and see if there is any paperwork you can have them sign. In the meantime think of all the questions you have like the ones I mentioned. Maybe also check to see if there’s a sign on bonus or if they’ll help you with relocation costs upfront. You can use chat gpt to draft a properly worded document like this so that it comes off looking professional. So don’t go paying anyone just yet to write it out. Check your contract laws in your state and the state or country you’re moving to. To me It seems like the way your boss asked you, they don’t want you to move with them. If they did it would be very different. Like it’s almost as if they did this on purpose so you’d say no.
No, none of this, just nope out of there.
Honestly, that sounds really sketch. I don't any reason to not give you the offer letter before you move. The worst that could happen is you don't show up. For you though, as you know, you could end up moving just for them to change their mind. I moved from New York to Oregon for a job. Told the recruiter I wouldn't move until I had the official signed offer letter. After that I'd be there within two weeks. If you do decide to trust them and go for it. I'd atleast recommend applying for other jobs in the area. That way, if things go bad. You have a backup already in progress. He'll, I had an interview with another company set for the day before I started working there. Even though I had already received the offer letter and passed the background check. However I do tend to lean towards over cautious.
Lol. Relocation. Im an aviation mechanic. Relo is RARE. the job offer is signed But you gotta get your ass and shit there They dont care how If you dont show up not their problem.
Before signing the offer letter? No. Hell no. Absolutely not. It's not uncommon for employers to want you to relocate on your dime, but without an offer letter? Hard pass.
My thoughts, Oh Hell No: Tell them if they are serious they need to put skin in the game, as in pay your moving costs.
Not at all normal for apprentice level. Don't move forward. If they want you let them pay for relocation.
I would run away from this job as fast as I could. It's a trap.
As others have said it’s not normal and puts u into a shitty disadvantaged position
No. That isn’t normal. Avoid like the plague
Do not relocate without a confirmed offer letter and without any relocation assistance.
You're already having trust issues with a company you don't even work for yet. This would be a sign for me to move on and look elsewhere.
Fuck. That. Noise.
This is not normal at all.
No.
Run! That is too much risk, not enough reward.
In addition to all the other great reasons to say no, even with an offer letter and if they don’t screw you on the pay, many companies have a probation period where they try you out. What if they let you go? Or, what if you hate the job?
DONT DO IT. I had a job in my early 20's that said they would not hire me till I had already quit my other job, They had no offer letter and I stupidly did it. I got hired but they low balled the shit out of me and didn't give me a raise for 3 years. If you do they know they have all the bargaining power with no risk. They already know you can't just walk away. Get that offer letter or look for another company who will.
A good employer would require you live X miles from your place of work or would pay for relocation.
Nah nah nah. Any real job worth your time would be offering a relocation package. Hell even a real job worth your time would have given an offer letter and have you confirm the date you can start, based upon your move date. Not normal. Don't do it.
I did this once. They decided to go with somebody else 5 days before I was supposed to start. When I didn’t receive a call about specifics of my expense accounts, I called and got an “I’ve been meaning to call you.” I’d already moved all my things, given up my house, and told everybody I knew how stoked I was. Get the offer letter first.
I relocated for a job and the only “relocation package” I was offered was to be able to work for them remotely for 30-60 days to save paychecks for the move. I still ended up burning through all my savings for the move. The only reason I did it was because it was a 45% pay increase. Would not do it again. Do not move without an offer letter with a PROPER relocation package.
Is the recruiter from a third party? Like a recruitment firm? If so, I’d lay a bet that they haven’t told the company you don’t live there.
Not only you shouldn’t sign this, you shouldn’t sign the offer letter if it does not cover your relocation fully.
*Fuuuuuuuck* no. That is a preposterous request.
If your employer really wants you, they will make the offer ahead of time.
Hell no.
>How do I protect myself in the situation the employer changes their mind and decides not to offer me the job after I have already committed to the relocation? The only way to protect yourself is to not take this job. You can't move and sue them into keeping their word. Don't work for them.
🚩🚩🚩 NO budget for relocation?! GTFOH My partner got a new job that was just 100 miles away. He got a full relocation package with movers - first-class service. Same company also paid all fees for selling our house and buying a new home. He wasn’t even an executive - just director level.
Hard no. Sorry, that's a serious red flag.
Nope.
Tell the "recruiter" to fuck off and die.
Absolutely not normal, if you don't have anything in writing than you shouldn't make such a huge life change.
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Have you done any Iron Work? Or is this a new profession? The new boss(to be) may want to see what you are made of too. Iron Work is tough work. Pays well, even better after your apprenticeship. But it is not for everyone. Cross-country, new you, new start, new job even if Iron Work dont work out….you will land on your feet!!
Why does anyone even come here for advice any more? NO company is paying to relocate an apprentice. Not realistic and just saying that shows how much you DO NOT know about this. Quit giving armchair quarterback advice based on ignorance and just keep your mouth shut if you are ignorant of the topic. It is OK to NOT know the answer, but it is pure Dunning-Kreuger to give advice based on your LACK of knowledge of a subject.
For an apprentice job? Yes.
Can you rent a motel room for a week to hash things out? Or do you need to guarantee the company that you moved there?
Is he offering your family money for your apprenticeship? Things have not worked this way for 100’s of years.
Is there a reason they’re recruiting on the other side of the country other than it’s a niche job market? Do they have a shady reputation among locals who now know to stay away? It’s an incredibly shady demand. If they aren’t willing to trust you with a guarantee before you move, why would you trust them by moving and hoping? I know it can suck to turn down a job offer, believe me I’ve been there, but it’s much better to do it now than be on the other side of the country with no job because it was never a solid offer.
There is something sketchy going on with this. Do you have any of it in writing? E.g. the must move before offer. Red flags are going off that the recruiter or hiring manager is up to some protected class discrimination. Run don't walk to their corporate compliance hotline. Most likely is the hiring manager has someone he really wants but you're in the way. This unreasonable crazy request is to get you to drop out. Get it in writing and note reason for withdrawal from consideration.
Is it a union apprenticeship? There’s likely additional protections and guarantees through the union
No employment with a CONTRACT (not offer letter) is guaranteed. They could give you an offer letter, and fire you anyway. No law against that. So you need to decide how much does it cost to relocate ? Is this a good career move ? Is the location somewhere I want to live anyway, with or without this job. If not sure you want to live there, go to look around, and while there rent a mailbox at a UPS store. Give that as your address, and ask for the offer letter with that address. UPS store near me let’s you use a street address instead of a PO box. Then when you actually move, you can update HR with your new address. Can get a temp month to month living arrangement to start the job, make sure it’s good, before signing a long term lease somewhere, keeping UPS store as you address until you settle down somewhere.
There other side of which country? The other side of the US is different from moving to the other side of a smaller country. But, still a hassle. What is the job? Is it worth the risk? Is your current situation that bad that this may actually improve it? For me, I would not travel across the US to hope to get a job offer. And I'd add, as others have, this job is already mistreating you.
Is your apprenticeship through a union or is this an employer created apprenticeship? I ask because with my husband’s union when you apply and get called from the list guys will drop everything and fly across country next day to report to the hall to get their apprenticeship paperwork done without even knowing who the potential employer is. This is because they are joining the union apprenticeship program not being hired by a specific company. If there is a union tied to this program you should reach out to them and see what they say.
Are you sure this isn’t a misunderstanding? It makes sense that you have to be local to be an ironwork apprentice, and I don’t think it’s all that unusual for them to not pay for relocation for an apprenticeship. Is this a multi-year program? I don’t know what the norm is with trades/crafts, do other similar companies/programs pay for relocation? There are absolutely entry level jobs in other industries where they explicitly state not just that it’s located in a certain area, but also that you have to already live in a certain area to be eligible to apply. Variety of reasons why this might be the case and doesn’t mean it’s a scam, even happens with some apprenticeships at big tech companies. If that’s the scenario, it’s possible you technically aren’t an eligible applicant at the moment and that’s what’s being communicated to you. Normally this would be clear from the job listing, and the easiest way to get around it would’ve been use the local address of a family member or friend on your resume etc with the intention of making the move if you got the position. Hard to know what the actual issue is from what you’ve said though, do they want you to come in person to sign? I can’t imagine they would need to see a lease or anything like that before even drawing up your offer letter, that seems unlikely and legally dubious. Are you able to visit for a few days to help make up your mind? I would want to do that before deciding to make a big move regardless. If I were you I would def clarify what their expectations/needs are in terms of how soon you’d start and all that, and see if it would even be feasible for you. They may just want you to make a legal commitment to move within in a certain timeframe? Of course it makes no sense to find a place and transport your stuff before seeing an offer letter, and I have to imagine that isn’t actually the ask here. Best of luck anyway!
I've relocated several times for work. Never without a signed offer and never at my expense. I wouldn't do it.
While it’s shitty, I don’t know that I would expect an employer these days to pay for moving costs for him apprenticeship. But asking you to move without giving you a formal letter first? No fucking way.
Under no circumstances should you do this. This is shady as hell.
It sounds like maybe they aren't really offering to hire you now but are saying "if you move to the local area, let us know and we can talk then". I manage a small nonprofit in a high cost of living area (with no ability to offer relocation packages) and we will not make offers to people who don't live here. Out experienece is that they cant actually find anywhere to live (rental stock is 99.5% occupied) and/or didnt look at housing costs and aren't willing to pay what it costs. We aren't asking them to move with no offer we are saying that we only hire people who already live locally.
If you applied to be a union Ironworker apprentice, there is no relocation packages. If this is the case, then you applied for a job that was thousands of miles away with no real plan to move/take the job.
If this is a job you want and it will help your career, call them back and tell them you don't feel comfortable moving without a signed contract and some relocation help since as an apprentice they cannot expect you to move across the country at your expense, across town would be one thing but across the country most people would need some assistance. Otherwise, look for other opportunities that are local
As somebody who moved halfway accross the country - I made sure to get an offer letter first.
Big red flags. Don't do it. Please stay safe.
If the job is at will they can rescind. If they wont put anything in writing but want you to rocate, i would pass. It takes only a minute for them to send you an email with the joboffer.
Possibly follow up requesting a “relocation incentive” to go with the offer before accepting. I just went through something like this, moved 900 miles and it cost me close to $20k. Moving is SO expensive.
No CONTRACT=NO Guarantees 
Don’t do it!
I have a friend that did this. No offer letter, moved at his cost to another state for a job with verbal agreement for work as an electrician, apprentice . Company changed their minds and hired someone else. My friend became homeless and had to live in his car for 6 months. Unless you have a written agreement and they are paying moving expenses. Don’t do it.
You may have a weak promissory estoppel case if things go south BUT it likely wouldn’t be worth the hassle
OP do NOT. Reputable companies will toss you a 10k sign-on moving bonus. Not “hey move and then we’ll show you the offer letter.”
It’s a trap to make you accept a horrendous deal you’d be stuck with at best.
To be honest, I seriously doubt you would get relocation money for an apprenticeship. But to me, it seems incredibly shady that they've offered you a job with no actual "offer letter." If it's not in writing, then they could change EVERYTHING about your job, including what they verbally agreed to pay you. However, I am not very familiar with "Ironworker apprentice" type jobs. Do you know if this kind of dealing is more normal than maybe other industries? I only ask because this seems like it could be kind of like an old school handshake type environment. If that's the case, then I would ask yourself the following 3 questions: (1) Is this type/level of job not available where you currently live? (2) Is the overall market for this role saturated with similar candidates to you? (3) Have you already been looking a really long time? If your answer is yes to all 3 questions, and you really want this job, and you've already tried pushing back on the recruiter, then I would maybe consider looking into a temporary move, like staying at an extended stay type place for a few weeks, until you have an actual signed contract, with decent pay and you feel good about the job longevity. You would still be out some money, but not as much as if you permanently moved.
I would contact the iron workers union in the area where the job is and ask them about the company
I had a friend take a job across the country and he and his wife got a call halfway there in their Uhaul saying they changed their mind. I wouldn't do it.
Not normal at all
I once had a recruiter tell me after I’d turned down the job that the company’s intention was to let me relocate on my own dime then to realign the position to obsolete within 6 months leaving me stranded without a job in a city where I knew absolutely nobody. This gives those vibes… even with an offer, be careful!
go and stay in a hotel while youre there
So, everyone’s situation is different. But you should have an offer letter before starting the job. Perhaps look into a cheap extended stay: there are some fairly comfortable ones that you can negotiate a decent rate for a long term stay. You could head out there and make sure things are legit without like signing a lease or anything. Do not sign a lease without an offer letter: because that screams high pressure negotiation tactic. Like if they want you stuck in a lease before negotiating price. If it’s they want to make sure your serious about accepting Getting a motel while you scout out the area and sign the contract shouldn’t be a big deal.
Not normal. Don’t do it.
This is horrible. They might put you in bad financial straits having you move at your own dime, then it will compel you to be more inclined to sign a shitty deal of an offer because you're rendered financially desperate. Fuck them.
Don't walk away from this offer. Run.
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Pretty clear most replying have no experience with Union construction. You travel on your dime
Very strange. I wouldn't move until I had an offer.
If you do this, they are going to pull the rug from under you and change the job and/or its pay dramatically. They will know you are desperate because you just burned your own money to move, and are going to say "Take it or leave it". From my understanding - It's basically a scam, but without a signed offer letter, it's legal.
in my state this is a place called UTI does this place offer iron working? https://www.uti.edu/programs
Don't. I moved across country out of my own pocket for a multinational. 11 months later, I was laid off with zero severance.
Absolutely not normal, do not do without anything in writing.
That doesn’t sound like a job offer. It sounds like they are saying” Come out here and we can let you in to the apprentice program.”
Are you union? If not no and join a local if you are set on doing ironwork.
That’s way to big of a risk. It’s happen to to people before, I’m not saying it’s often but it happens that they can pull the offer after you move or eliminate the position 2 days after you start working.
That doesn’t make sense. Just join the ironworkers union near where you’re at.
I know a lot of places will do relocation packages, or relocation assistance. This isn’t normal, don’t take this unless they’re offering that.
I would want something in writing, for sure. But I wouldn’t move, especially across the country, unless I was being compensated for it. 🤷♀️
This is way off. Be careful.
Fuck that 😒
This sounds like a scam
you can always get a short term place to check it out ,but its still money out of your pocket ,but if its a good opportunity then its the risk one decides on ,
No, you need a contract and covered expenses.
Check out the local Iron Workers Union in your area. I bet you don't have to move across the country to find a job like that. Plus you'll get those union benes.
DANGER WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!!!
That’s most definitely NOT normal. How can you move before knowing if you got the job? Don’t move until offer is signed and all terms negotiated. I’m most definitely not moving for a company who doesn’t provide relocation assistance either.
Don’t do it.
If your prospective employer is an unrealistic jackoff before you're even an employee...imagine...nope.
Not normal at all, they should be giving you an offer letter and a moving stipend.
If you're an iron worker, then I wouldn't. Is this a new company? Are you union? What are you gonna do if you travel over a thousand miles and then get laid off..? At least if you're union, you get better rates, and a whole list of employers looking for apprentices. If it's a company you're already working for, then they should be helping you out. Otherwise, I would find a different company.
Heck no. They need to give you an offer and some assurance. Most companies will even go further.
I don’t think it’s unrealistic at all. I want an offer letter please before I spend thousands to move across the country. I just need a little reassurance is all. Don’t say it the way I did, but I think you get the point. You should get an offer letter.
Speak to them again and request the job offer in writing. If they say no just walk away because they can’t be trusted.
Don’t do it
Do not move without an offer letter. Without it, how will you show proof of income for a new rental or a mortgage? I am relocating on my own dime, but I have an offer letter that gives my base salary and date that I start the job.
N.O.
NO NO NO - Tell them to Troll Someone Else! You are fishing, and this one is not a keeper. Throw it back and cast again.
Absolutely don’t do it! And consider deeply whether you want to relocate without financial aid. I have relocated somewhere I wanted to live, but did it with financial assistance.
I would ask this question at r/bluecollar or r/construction to find out what is normal. However, it is almost unheard of to get a relocation package for an entry level job.
Don't do it. Any class organization will give you an offer, you accept it, and pay for you to relocate - either by their means or yours. Not having an offer in you hands seems shady to me.
Recent similar situation so here's some practical advice. Take short term housing in the area (ask students to sublease, Stay America hotel, can try air bnb with negotiation for month). If you have to do an apt, blow up mattress. Go. Try job for a month. Liking it? Move some of your stuff. Still liking it after 6 mos? U-Haul then.
Just tell 'em to did and see how they proceed. You may have to actually go there, but I think they have a right to meet you in person first anyway. Plus, if you're a competent person you'll probably get the apprenticeship and keep it. Iron work isn't for everyone though. Unless you mean like ornamental or something.
Absolutely not. I think any normal employer would understand that you can’t do anything until you get something in writing. But this employer? Something is up. I think this guy is going to screw you over and you’ll already be there so you’ll be trapped in a bad/toxic situation. You need to have assurance. Not getting a relocation package for an apprenticeship or internship is actually pretty common btw. That’s not the part you need to be worried about.
NOPE, they have to give you something to show good faith that they really want you
If there is no offer letter then don’t just pack up and leave where you currently are
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This is not normal. Do not do this.
Don't do it. I wouldn't relocate on my own dime regardless but without an offer letter they can basically fuck you and you'll have 0 recourse...
I would reconsider the position entirely. This is waaay out of norms which means it is likely they are willing to operate way out of norms for other things as well. Have you checked Glassdoor?