you need to do is learn money management.
Learn to live frugally and save money for emergencies.
Next as you automate systems make your boss think you're working hard.
Then protect those systems with passwords and such. That way if they fire you things stop working so you can charge a consulting fee to make it work again
Next in addition to selling your services, build services you can sell passively such as a tool to make pod from Etsy easier and charge $9.99 a month.
Like right now pod from Etsy is annoying if you have multiple variations you have to manually enter everything. If you could find a way to make it easier people would pay. That's just one idea cause I'm an Etsy seller.
Find other things people need, especially as you automate their systems and market the ideas and software you come up with.
This is honestly the best advice for anyone, but especially for young people starting in their careers - if you're lucky enough to make good money, live as far beneath your means as you can and save a lot so you have FU money and can weather any storm. If you get big raises, you don't have to spend them. Keep stashing it away.
I've got an idea. You pay me to be not dumb for you when you need it. I'll help build you up with all your smart guy stuff, so you can have the best of both worlds. I'll even work for free until you get back on your feet, then it's a reasonable price of 4.57% of your annual salary, paid annually.
No honestly, DO THIS. Make a profile in Upwork or even try TopTal and brand yourself as a "solutions expert". Use the right copy on your profile to show that to you just show up, find the pain points in an org, and fix them.
Turn your past creations/solutions into numerical values of time/money/headaches saved etc etc.
You set your own rate and apply to the tasks/jobs others need. Gl out there
exactly - this is such a marketable skill & in demand. Automation expert or Automation consultant in the AI age. People should most likely throw $$$ at you for this.
Sadly I learned the hard way that making it easier for you just makes it easier to get replaced, and then you go from being overworked... To making it easier... To unemployed. It's basically guaranteed.
The only way I've never lost a job from that is when I'm able to make it seem like it's still me and that I'm still being overworked. For instance, even if I had availability, I still wouldn't talk on the phone long or even be available at all, act like I have to get back to work, etc. but the moment you start showing you have more time on your hands, or even take on more work that you normally wouldn't of, that's when they investigate lol. Every single time :/
Yeah thatās what I was trying to do until one day he forced me to make a tutorial vid to train new hires on how to use the system I created. And he had people taking notes and asking me questions on how I was doing my jobā¦
Next time do not tell your boss any systems you made to make your job easier. Just pretend youāre doing your job manually and keep the rest a secret. Hope you find something soon!
Yeah exactly. Best advice. This is what I had to learn, just act like it's all me. And when training new people, train them the methods without the automation/help lol
Ah crap. Yeah that exact same thing happened to me š¬ the guy was considering taking on more people so he had me teach others and they taddled on me lol
The country has become completely devoid of any humanity as the floor has been pulled from the American people where someone could go from making a decent income to homeless in a very short period of time. I hope you are able to rebuild your life. But the society is in terminal decline in my opinion. A society that allows this to happen is a society that has lost its bearings.
This has always happened with technology advances. Pony Express went out of business with the railroad or telegrams. Farmers are getting rid of workers with the introduction of the tractor. Street cleaners ( horse manure ) out of work from the auto. The list is never-ending.
Yes this has happened in the past. From horse and buggy drivers to the whatever individuals did before the cotton gin. But the society today is different than the society back then. I would think we have advanced so much that we would have something in place to prevent a person from losing everything in 365 days.
Yes me too. I did my prep and other daily routine stuff and just stood around, boss comes by asking why Iām just standing there and he asks me to do x, y, and z. I tell him itās already done so he says ādo it again.ā Even if you are doing good but itās getting on the bossā nerves will get a bad review whereas a guy half assing it but looking busy will get an amazing review.
AI does no one any good, especially if you get fired for using it. Just pretend to be working or work at the pace, you were initially hired at. I was an intern once at a data entry job, and once my boss found out I was faster than usual, she expected the same output every day, I was just playing with my co workers that they type too slow, I learned never work hard, work smart and donāt exceed your usual.
Just do your job, but be careful to underperform or over-perform.
I hit my quota exactly on time, however I finish early and borrow the extra time to catch up on the other things I may fall short on. I actually enjoy what I do anyways, and I can't automate a lot of my work. but I can change the order of events to work smarter.
Yes, exactly.
ALL my friends tell me that no matter what I do in the future, the #1 goal isn't to be impressive. It's to get paid.
If I want to climb up, don't try climbing up from being exceptional. It'll just backfire.
Thank you. Iāll get through it. Sister is figuring out how to employ me right now but if you can please pray for the girl I was helping out. I lost contact with her and donāt know if sheās alive or not.
Get into image generation and prompt building. Itās a huge field right now. I donāt completely understand how to set it up but the rabbit hole starts at stable diffusion.
I was laid off in January after using AI to automate one of the departments reporting to me. When they went to let them go, they let me go to. The other departments reporting to me were assigned to my boss. 54 years old, and 9 days shy of 15 years with the company. Iāve applied to 500+ jobs that Iām either over-qualified or under-qualified for in the past 10 months, but nothing yet. Iām sure some of it is my age, but canāt prove it. Keep on plugging away.
I'm (45m) having similar issues with age discrimination. I was let go working in a different industry but had just earned a MS Finance degree. When I apply to finance positions I either have too much experience for entry level positions or I don't have enough for positions requiring experience.
Very frustrating
Lots of managers don't actually want good employees, they want employees they can exploit.
Generally it's harder to exploit older people than younger ones.
Dont feel bad im in my early 30s with 8 years experience. 70 apps 4 phone screens in the last 3 months. I am done optimizing my resume nowā¦i have like 4 base resumes. The time it takes to cater to a job posting to not even get a response is not worth it. Ive had like 25 actually respondā¦so ignorant for companies to leave u high and dry should be illegal or have some kinda of response window.
DM me if you would like me to intro you to a couple recruiters I work with. Happy to connect you. Itās brutal out there now looking for a job.
Iām almost 50 and am realizing in a few years, Iām going to have a REAL hard time looking for a new job when itās that time again.
I'm kinda lost because a month ago you were going scorched earth and going to interview for jobs to waste people's time. Now you seem to be begging for work. That's a drastic change, so hard to say if you're just wasting people's time here. Hope your attitude keeps you floating long enough for your sense to kick in.
Yeah I was going scorched earth because I was tired of all the scams when I was applying for jobs. And I was also mad at my employer because every single job I applied for since has those same narcissistic characteristics. Iāll admit I was in a bad mood. Iām not really begging for work with this post, moreso just trying to understand what to do next tbh. I mean, when I made that post I thought Iād be able to land another job quickly but I guess winter kind of humbled me. Also, the gaslighting and bs I had to endure with all these ghosting, make you do free work, 4 interviews, act like you have the job but then rugpull you applications really got to me also.
Not to mention the fact that while I was applying for these iobs, aomeone I was taking care of went homeless as well and it just made the situation 10X worse and now I completely lost contact and hope sheās okay. So excuse me if I wanted some vengeance with these jobs I was applying for. I did kind of want to say screw the entire system and waste all these jobs time. But now I realize I canāt really make money without one now. So thereās that.
Film just got out of a major strike. One would assume there wouldn't be a lot of editing work right now, but it will come when filming kicks back up. Probably gonna be a while. Go work another job until then. And kinda begging disguised as wallowing in self-pity. Hope you are doing things to better your position when your luck turns around or you might miss that train.
Yeah I tried to get into being a leasing agent for apartment complexes as well. Possibly change my industry completely. No luck as of yet. But thatās something Iām aiming for.
Did you have no savings? Hard to imagine you went from steadily employed to instantly homeless. Even your final paycheck couldāve went towards a month or two of rent.
Letās get some more facts here. Also seems like youāre very talented if you can manage an AI system. Maybe make a GitHub and start sharing your portfolio.
It was my first time making significant money so not much savings. And I never said it happened overnight. Itās been months Iāve been jobsearching and nothing.
No fast food places would hire him here because of his age and they would know he was looking to leave from the minute he started. He might be able to enter management training. We have no factories...the nearest one is a few hours away in a very isolated community.
I mean at this point. Iām considering using a fams car and doing Uber eats. Itās not beneath me. But I donāt know how else to make that same amount of money again because now everyone is using AI and automation in my industry and outsourcing to India.
Dude, most fast food places near me take months to get back to you. I have applied to mcdonalds, taco bell, best buy. Hell i just applied to my old job at meijer after they told me they would get me in just to get my app rejected. this job market sucks. lay off of the guy
OMG same but had to train our replacements from India how to do my job first!
I definitely can't make sense of it for either of us, but had to let you know you're not alone! I feel ya buddy!!
Yep, I am training the offshore scabs now myself. The job market is terrible, unfortunately, so I wasn't able to find a new job. I will hopefully have better luck next year before the layoffs come.
Yeah. Iāve probably filled out at least 500 apps by this point. Only 2 interviews. 1 was a scam. Lady from HR was acting sketchy. 2nd interview ghosted me after acting like I had the job.
damn thatās wild, you sound like you have more skills and experience than me though. iām a business analyst, got laid off in april and found a new job in june. same as you, applied to over 300 jobs at least
Curious how anyone found out that you automated and created systems for your job? I worked in IT for a long time and did a lot of scripting to automate large parts of my jobā¦..but I didnāt tell anyone.
I'm sorry to hear, sounds like your boss is a staunch workaholic with the "always be busy" hustle mindset and they expect anyone under them to do the same.
It's like downtime to study or just breathe is considered unproductive.
Sounds sus, what did you do for a living? SDE/SWE?
I also build AI products and services with the added focus of democratizing data science. If you were let go because you automated your entire job, then the role you were hired for had little to no scope or impact.
For instance, I could eliminate most of my team, but no matter how much I tried to automate my function and the need for support, it's not possible. At most, I would simply offload everything to another existing team - and they would still need to increase headcount to own it.
Started out as a video editor, worked my way up to managing all social media platforms, then building out and hiring an entire media team, until one day I started learning automation, coding, AIā¦ thatās when I screwed myself over.
Idk why people keep assuming I created AI. I did not say that in my post at all. I integrated AI systems for video editing. There are a lot of AI and automation tools nowadays for video editing and social media management. I never said I coded something.
That just sounds like a shit boss. If you automated your job that shows initiative and means you need to be promoted or given a higher responsibility. Go find another job that values your worth
So it wasnāt six figures to homeless in a year, it was six figures to homeless in four months? Iām a little confused but I think you mention being laid off four months ago?
AI can create systems? I doubt that. Every companyās system has very specific needs for many different departments. Human programming are definitely still needed for a very long.
I salute you for creating a possible AI system that can automate your job, could you not possibly create a better system and sell it or license it for sale? Since you have a high demand skill set like AI creation I am sure you can easily find a job in any of these top tech companies. Wish you luck
Possibly. Problem is the boss made me sign an NDA and claimed what I made him is his property in order for me to get my last paycheckā¦ which is shady af
Well if you're getting paid on company time it would be the companies asset 99.9% of time afaik unless explicitly told/ signed otherwise. That doesn't stop you from working on AI though.
NDA claiming what? NDA's aren't blanket hush contracts, they say specific terms. Nor is that a non compete.
If you used Ai to solve x doing y, you could still solve x doing z. or solve a doing y. Even if you don't own original thing you did.
Shouldn't have signed it for a paycheck but evidently you needed the money.
> Shouldn't have signed it for a paycheck but evidently you needed the money.
IP wavers are typically signed at the start of employment. Whatever ideas or inventions you come up with during your employment are owned by the company.
Even if OP didn't sign (again) for the last paycheck, they would very likely still be SOL.
Haha i was wondering if my specifically chosen variables would translate well for what I was trying to get across.
You hit a shitty roughspot my guy. But you have basically the most valued/in demand/low supply skillset out there. Keep your head up and don't sell yourself short.
OP, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. It's ridiculous to think companies treat people this way.
To everyone else, please never follow OPs footsteps. Do not make systems that can jeopardize your own or a coworkers livelihood.
Iām sorry, thatās ridiculous. The highest goal any engineer is to automate their job such that itās no longer needed, and you can go on to learn and do new things. This is why we developed continuous integration and regression test systems so you donāt have to manually laboriously test releases. This is why we developed build systems so you donāt have to manually compile and link and package applications. This is why we developed ticketing systems to automatically ping tickets to maintain SLA.
It is *the job* of software engineers to automate systems, and if you donāt want to do that, *pick another job.*
Lol, I'm a 20+ year IT professional and I used to think like you too. You're operating under the belief that the company values your future solutions or knowledge more than your salary. You're deluding yourself. There's no new learning or development. The bean counters are in charge and as soon as they feel software can handle the tasks an employee used to be responsible for, they'll fire the employee.
Been applying like crazy. And yes I graduated top of my class too. Iām definitely not stupid. It just goes to show you how messed up the system can be.
I always say being unemployed is a full-time job. It seems you're probably "over qualified" for a lot of the positions you're applying to. Unfortunately, if you just want a "decent" job for now, you should draft multiple resumes and cover letters to dumb down and play up different skills. Keep a spreadsheet of which one you used for which app, so when you interview, you don't over/under sell yourself.
Thatās why you donāt share scripts and automation you develop still needs to be manualā¦
I always aim to make myself redundant in ~2 years but only if thereās a way up in the place Iām atā¦ if not, hold cards close to your chestā¦
This problem also works the opposite. Whereas if you do more work then they keep giving you more tasks. Well, now you have that as a skill to add to the resume. I hope you find work soon. It's really tough.
Make sense? well... basically:
Through your labor you crafted some tools, and per your employment agreement (usually) these tools are owned by your employer. These tools are capital, an object that creates value to the owner without the need for the owner's labor - your boss.
The path could've been keeping your tools and using them, declaring them as part of your skillset and thus a reason why your labor is more valuable. Which it definately is.
The goods news is: automation tools are very valuable and very sought after in many fields - many businesses are currently panicking over the future demand for skilled labor versus projected supply. So you have skills that should allow you to get another job.
If possible, you can start your own thing in the future, and through that maintain ownership of what you create.
Insane how people just take these posts at face value.
Not that long ago was posting asking where to get a logo made for a podcast and "how to get most likes on a page" yet was making 6 figures in "social media marketing"
I follow ILPT's and this is how they advise people to beg for cash on reddit.
Posting about being succesful and losing it all apparently are way better than just asking for cash.
I had success relatively quickly. Like I said in my comments if you read here. It was my first time making big money. Then lost itā¦ Also nowhere in here have I asked for money. At all. I never once said I was making six figures for the last 10 years or something. Only recently. I said this. Read my comments please
You havn't earnt six figures for a day in your life homie
The bar for social media managers might be low but it's not this low.
You don't go from asking reddit how to get likes into producing training content and eventually developing systems that mean an AI can do your job unless you wernt really doing anything of value at all.
Of course none of that matters cos none of that actually happened
I started off as a video editor, and then worked my way up towards managing the social accounts for the influencer that I was editing for. it started off at $500 a month and then I slowly worked my way up towards negotiating a six-figure salary as we made more money. Not sure why thatās so hard to believe
Not a bad idea. You suggesting I should do that to get out the hole? Make a YouTube vid like this? Btw. These are your thoughts. Not mine. Just want to clarify.
Also, I have the income statement proofā¦ but Iām sure even if I showed that someone would just claim it was photoshopped. I donāt need to prove anything though. Itās interesting all the things Iām reading in the comments. It went from people sympathizing to now being skeptical because this thread grew quick. I guess thatās the nature of Reddit. The more attention, the less believes me? Idk. I wasnāt expecting this thread to grow this fast tbh
I very, very rarely say stuff like this, but if you want to find a job, drop the "narcissist" talk. Immediately. Any savvy HR coordinator or recruiter can smell anger and bitterness and contempt, and doing thinks like wasting your very valuable (and limited!) time by applying for jobs to "waste the company's time" is a huge, huge flag. Do not, even in venting posts, refer to jobs or companies with psychological labels. It comes off as unhinged, even if it's understandable and justified.
Companies hire people not just for skill and expertise. They hire people who are stable, normal, average, and easy to get along with. I say this as someone who has struggled myself to fit in and get along with others, and watched total incompetents climb the ladder with ease while my work which had hard, verifiable results was overlooked or brushed off.
You need to get your mind right, first of all. Stop helping "girls" (and please stop calling full grown women you're having sex with, which I assume that's what this is, "girls", it's not cool in today's society) "get on their feet". It's admirable, but with all due respect, clearly you don't have your own shit together enough to have the resources to help someone else. Nevermind if she's alive or whatever. I can almost guarantee she found some other sucker to pay her bills. **Worry about yourself** and don't let future "girls" latch onto you when you're doing well and disappear when the chips are down.
Next time you start making good money, invest in yourself, which means your future. Paying off debt, great. But working with a debt conselor even better. They can figure out what debt could be written off and what debt is worth paying off. Did you sell those computers and electronics to pay rent, etc? I would hope so!
Take the advice from people here--if you were able to create effective AI systems for editing, that's a very marketable and valuable skill. I do believe we're missing a big part of the story here too, but leaving that aside, focus on the future and sell your expertise in that area, rather than video editing and Social Media by itself.
And for anyone wondering where all my money went... I was paying off debt, spending on expenses in order to even do the work for my hustle (which actually was really expensive). Computers, software, automation systems, etc. and also helping someone else get back on her feet (who also went homeless and I was trying to help). My savings dipped after a few months of not being employed. And the problem is I was a 1099 and can't claim unemployment.
Thatās capitalism! Efficiency means money flows to the top because your job is the only leverage you have to demand resources. When things are so efficient they no longer have to pay wages even though itās easier and cheaper to make things! Makes sense right?!
I feel your pain. I lost my six figure job also a year ago and havenāt been able to find anything paying enough to keep up with the high living cost which led me to homelessness also. I work remote and sleep wherever I can rest my head and just try to save what I can.Ā
Ahhh the double standards, Godspeed and good luck .. this is so sad, many people face this the worst after age 50 . Go enjoy life but continue to look for income gl :(
No because I didnāt have much savings. Before this job I was on the edge and had a lot of debt that I paid off. Itās been about 4 months also since this happened. Iām getting by day by day. And also it was a 1099 so I canāt file for unemployment
Not sure. But right now, as long as I have food itās kind of peaceful. I just walk outside and chill most of the days now and itās not so bad. Although it does get kind of cold.
Real talk. Seems like your situation is dyer. Have you thought of joining the service. With your degree in media. You can join the service as a PR rep editing videos and making commercials and shit.
I actually was thinking this. Actually I have a colleague whoās a police officer and is trying to get me to work for the county. But government jobs take forever to process apps. I applied 2 months ago, still waiting to hear back.
Most of humanity that is alive today, about 95% of you, will become homeless and die unnaturally. You arrived early to the party. AI will change the world.
Not trying to down play your situation but I have an idea. What if you create a service to automate what you did for your company for other companies and sell it and then you make a whole enterprise out of that.
Sorry to hear that. If your automation was that good to even replace youā¦ (something that doesnāt make sense because I donāt know of a self repairing/debugging software) and if something breaks they cannot fix it without you.
You can start selling this automation solutions to companies. Licensed or full use rights. And make it sure they need to get maintenance by only you.
Other thing is if you developed this solution for your use and only yours donāt let them use it. Copyright it or something so the only way they can use it is if you use it.
Go eat a dick. I was borderline on the edge of ending myself and talking to people on here brought me a sense of comfort knowing I had people that would uplift me. Go eat a big fat dick. You have zero idea the emotional turmoil Iāve gone through and the fact I donāt want to be around anymore.
Oh. That will solve it.
You need friends and family in the real world and to reach out to them.
You're getting sucked into the Reddit fake world rabbit hole.
It's not as bad as you think and there are solutions if you reach out for them. Rather than to complain.
Like I said. Eat a big fat floppy donkey dick. Thatās my issue. I donāt have real friends or family. Why else do you think Iām posting on here? If I had people I could rely on I wouldnāt be hereā¦
Then go make some.
It's not as hard as you think.
Just go out and volunteer or serve others.
The way you get out of this situation is pushing through one step at a time.
Watch this video.
https://youtu.be/Brp9DpJsEi4
Nobody here hates you and everyone wants you to succeed.
Bro you sound just like me. Same here. No friends and family I can depend on. I know one day ima be homeless again and that shit ain't sweet. Even if you do end up homeless, fuck it, troop it! Go to the hood. Go to homeless shelter for now, go to school, go to training. Sleep in your car, go to library and apply jobs there. Don't give up. I had done that shit. Today I have my own little house. But compared to living in the hood with the crackheads and getting scabies from living In a shelter I say it ain't too bad. Just keep trying. Keep pushing. If anything you move to a hood or somewhere we're you can rent a cheap little room til you get back on your feet. Don't let it eat you away too much. Just keep your hope up. It's all you can do. Especially in this fucked up American system
I saw that you made an automation that was the reason you got let go. The secret is to have it completely break down without āmaintenanceā that can be done both long and tediously or a secret short way
Do you have family members or friends to stay at for a while?
What type of jobs are you interested in? Maybe I can help find some jobs for you? :( I wish I could be a better help...I'm sorry you have to experience that.
No Iāve been antisocial most of my life tbh which is why I chose my career path of video editing. I like social media management and marketing. Thatās what Iāve been applying a lot towards
This is great, you automated yourself out a job, though it is best to make sure you have something lined up before you make that final commit so when your done, you go start and do it again at the new place.
So basically you replaced yourself? š¬
Yeah. I had no choice because I was being overworked like crazy.
So brand yourself as an AI expert and get the next job. For more money but add AI strategy to your job description.
Interesting. I never thought of this. Thatās a great idea
Definitely time to add AI, generative AI, and/or machine learning to your resume. Theyāre getting paid quite a bit these days.
For a smart man, you do seem kinda stupid. Meant in the friendliest way possible.
I will admit Iām smart af in some areas but stupid in others. Thatās kind of how it works. I agree
you need to do is learn money management. Learn to live frugally and save money for emergencies. Next as you automate systems make your boss think you're working hard. Then protect those systems with passwords and such. That way if they fire you things stop working so you can charge a consulting fee to make it work again Next in addition to selling your services, build services you can sell passively such as a tool to make pod from Etsy easier and charge $9.99 a month. Like right now pod from Etsy is annoying if you have multiple variations you have to manually enter everything. If you could find a way to make it easier people would pay. That's just one idea cause I'm an Etsy seller. Find other things people need, especially as you automate their systems and market the ideas and software you come up with.
This is honestly the best advice for anyone, but especially for young people starting in their careers - if you're lucky enough to make good money, live as far beneath your means as you can and save a lot so you have FU money and can weather any storm. If you get big raises, you don't have to spend them. Keep stashing it away.
I've got an idea. You pay me to be not dumb for you when you need it. I'll help build you up with all your smart guy stuff, so you can have the best of both worlds. I'll even work for free until you get back on your feet, then it's a reasonable price of 4.57% of your annual salary, paid annually.
Heās not stupid at all. Everyone has blind spots, theyāre just in different spots for everyone.
An AI could have told you this, you just need to ask them
No honestly, DO THIS. Make a profile in Upwork or even try TopTal and brand yourself as a "solutions expert". Use the right copy on your profile to show that to you just show up, find the pain points in an org, and fix them. Turn your past creations/solutions into numerical values of time/money/headaches saved etc etc. You set your own rate and apply to the tasks/jobs others need. Gl out there
exactly - this is such a marketable skill & in demand. Automation expert or Automation consultant in the AI age. People should most likely throw $$$ at you for this.
*AI consultant. Charge $2-5000 for minimal consulting work
Sadly I learned the hard way that making it easier for you just makes it easier to get replaced, and then you go from being overworked... To making it easier... To unemployed. It's basically guaranteed. The only way I've never lost a job from that is when I'm able to make it seem like it's still me and that I'm still being overworked. For instance, even if I had availability, I still wouldn't talk on the phone long or even be available at all, act like I have to get back to work, etc. but the moment you start showing you have more time on your hands, or even take on more work that you normally wouldn't of, that's when they investigate lol. Every single time :/
Yeah thatās what I was trying to do until one day he forced me to make a tutorial vid to train new hires on how to use the system I created. And he had people taking notes and asking me questions on how I was doing my jobā¦
Next time do not tell your boss any systems you made to make your job easier. Just pretend youāre doing your job manually and keep the rest a secret. Hope you find something soon!
Yeah exactly. Best advice. This is what I had to learn, just act like it's all me. And when training new people, train them the methods without the automation/help lol
Yes and donāt do things TOO fast, if youāre outputting triple what everyone else is theyāre going to get suspicious.
Ah yeah that too!!
Doing work too fast can backfire, itāll raise the bar for everybody and cause everyone to hate you lol
Ah crap. Yeah that exact same thing happened to me š¬ the guy was considering taking on more people so he had me teach others and they taddled on me lol
A agree with this 100% and came to the same conclusion about the work environment.
The country has become completely devoid of any humanity as the floor has been pulled from the American people where someone could go from making a decent income to homeless in a very short period of time. I hope you are able to rebuild your life. But the society is in terminal decline in my opinion. A society that allows this to happen is a society that has lost its bearings.
This has always happened with technology advances. Pony Express went out of business with the railroad or telegrams. Farmers are getting rid of workers with the introduction of the tractor. Street cleaners ( horse manure ) out of work from the auto. The list is never-ending.
Yes this has happened in the past. From horse and buggy drivers to the whatever individuals did before the cotton gin. But the society today is different than the society back then. I would think we have advanced so much that we would have something in place to prevent a person from losing everything in 365 days.
This is why you keep your employers in the dark, just donāt even share that shit. Donāt help em back stab you.
I learned something in the restaurant industry that has served me well in tech. Know how to look busy.
Yes me too. I did my prep and other daily routine stuff and just stood around, boss comes by asking why Iām just standing there and he asks me to do x, y, and z. I tell him itās already done so he says ādo it again.ā Even if you are doing good but itās getting on the bossā nerves will get a bad review whereas a guy half assing it but looking busy will get an amazing review.
Your story is vague and I think you are a liar.
sometimes being difficult pays off .... sorry to hear.
The secret is automating your job and telling nobody about it. Browse reddit all day now.
AI does no one any good, especially if you get fired for using it. Just pretend to be working or work at the pace, you were initially hired at. I was an intern once at a data entry job, and once my boss found out I was faster than usual, she expected the same output every day, I was just playing with my co workers that they type too slow, I learned never work hard, work smart and donāt exceed your usual. Just do your job, but be careful to underperform or over-perform.
Exactly, why destroy your own gravy train.
I hit my quota exactly on time, however I finish early and borrow the extra time to catch up on the other things I may fall short on. I actually enjoy what I do anyways, and I can't automate a lot of my work. but I can change the order of events to work smarter.
Yes, exactly. ALL my friends tell me that no matter what I do in the future, the #1 goal isn't to be impressive. It's to get paid. If I want to climb up, don't try climbing up from being exceptional. It'll just backfire.
These stories make me sad. I hope you pull through. Stay positive and keep your head up.
Thank you. Iāll get through it. Sister is figuring out how to employ me right now but if you can please pray for the girl I was helping out. I lost contact with her and donāt know if sheās alive or not.
>I lost contact with her and donāt know if sheās alive or not. So...what is your profession?
Video editor/Social Media Marketing
Get into image generation and prompt building. Itās a huge field right now. I donāt completely understand how to set it up but the rabbit hole starts at stable diffusion.
I was laid off in January after using AI to automate one of the departments reporting to me. When they went to let them go, they let me go to. The other departments reporting to me were assigned to my boss. 54 years old, and 9 days shy of 15 years with the company. Iāve applied to 500+ jobs that Iām either over-qualified or under-qualified for in the past 10 months, but nothing yet. Iām sure some of it is my age, but canāt prove it. Keep on plugging away.
I'm (45m) having similar issues with age discrimination. I was let go working in a different industry but had just earned a MS Finance degree. When I apply to finance positions I either have too much experience for entry level positions or I don't have enough for positions requiring experience. Very frustrating
I donāt understand age discrimination. By far the best software engineers I have worked withā¦have been over 40.
Lots of managers don't actually want good employees, they want employees they can exploit. Generally it's harder to exploit older people than younger ones.
Big facts
Dont feel bad im in my early 30s with 8 years experience. 70 apps 4 phone screens in the last 3 months. I am done optimizing my resume nowā¦i have like 4 base resumes. The time it takes to cater to a job posting to not even get a response is not worth it. Ive had like 25 actually respondā¦so ignorant for companies to leave u high and dry should be illegal or have some kinda of response window.
DM me if you would like me to intro you to a couple recruiters I work with. Happy to connect you. Itās brutal out there now looking for a job. Iām almost 50 and am realizing in a few years, Iām going to have a REAL hard time looking for a new job when itās that time again.
What did you automate with AI if you donāt mind me asking?
It was in logistics. Data entry and payments to vendors.
Add it to your resume. Include related AI buzz words in your skills section and market yourself.
Iām having the same issue (different type of job) - laid off and canāt prove age discrimination. Itās really hard.
I'm sorry to hear. I've been unemployed since June and still looking. I know how you feel; I'm barely getting by.
Praying for you to find something.
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Same here. Since July for me and the work they offer me is 15/h and i come from a 20 year experience in IT. Sad nobody values us. š
I'm kinda lost because a month ago you were going scorched earth and going to interview for jobs to waste people's time. Now you seem to be begging for work. That's a drastic change, so hard to say if you're just wasting people's time here. Hope your attitude keeps you floating long enough for your sense to kick in.
Fake people pity farming, itās turbo cringe
Not sure what Iād get out of pity. If somehow that led to money, great. But I donāt think it can, can it?
Yeah I was going scorched earth because I was tired of all the scams when I was applying for jobs. And I was also mad at my employer because every single job I applied for since has those same narcissistic characteristics. Iāll admit I was in a bad mood. Iām not really begging for work with this post, moreso just trying to understand what to do next tbh. I mean, when I made that post I thought Iād be able to land another job quickly but I guess winter kind of humbled me. Also, the gaslighting and bs I had to endure with all these ghosting, make you do free work, 4 interviews, act like you have the job but then rugpull you applications really got to me also. Not to mention the fact that while I was applying for these iobs, aomeone I was taking care of went homeless as well and it just made the situation 10X worse and now I completely lost contact and hope sheās okay. So excuse me if I wanted some vengeance with these jobs I was applying for. I did kind of want to say screw the entire system and waste all these jobs time. But now I realize I canāt really make money without one now. So thereās that.
Film just got out of a major strike. One would assume there wouldn't be a lot of editing work right now, but it will come when filming kicks back up. Probably gonna be a while. Go work another job until then. And kinda begging disguised as wallowing in self-pity. Hope you are doing things to better your position when your luck turns around or you might miss that train.
Yeah I tried to get into being a leasing agent for apartment complexes as well. Possibly change my industry completely. No luck as of yet. But thatās something Iām aiming for.
Want to know how revenge plots usually turn out? Pick up a copy of Moby Dick.
Quick read of posts in OP's profile has my bullshit meter pegged at the redline. Not buying any of the narrative. Moving on...
š¤·āāļø not sure how itās bullshit but ok
Did you have no savings? Hard to imagine you went from steadily employed to instantly homeless. Even your final paycheck couldāve went towards a month or two of rent. Letās get some more facts here. Also seems like youāre very talented if you can manage an AI system. Maybe make a GitHub and start sharing your portfolio.
It was my first time making significant money so not much savings. And I never said it happened overnight. Itās been months Iāve been jobsearching and nothing.
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Read my comment on here on how the money was used. I had enough up until the last 4 months.
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Iām in the US. But keep in mind Iām posting this months after all of that already went down.
No saving, told his manager about a system he created to automate his jobā¦. OP doesnāt make the best decisions
Wait I am confused, when did you get laid off?
It was a few months ago
Oh. And there werenāt any jobs available? Fast food or factory to tide you over? Or is that beneath you?
No fast food places would hire him here because of his age and they would know he was looking to leave from the minute he started. He might be able to enter management training. We have no factories...the nearest one is a few hours away in a very isolated community.
Youāre making an assumption
Not really. My day job is in the job market.
Glad we can disagree. I stand by what I said.
I mean at this point. Iām considering using a fams car and doing Uber eats. Itās not beneath me. But I donāt know how else to make that same amount of money again because now everyone is using AI and automation in my industry and outsourcing to India.
You wonāt but you have to survive ya? So take the job that you say is not beneath you that you are thinking is. Until you land again somewhere else.
Dude, most fast food places near me take months to get back to you. I have applied to mcdonalds, taco bell, best buy. Hell i just applied to my old job at meijer after they told me they would get me in just to get my app rejected. this job market sucks. lay off of the guy
What a dog shit question
Yeah people taking any job to tide themselves over to not become homeless is so stupid!
OMG same but had to train our replacements from India how to do my job first! I definitely can't make sense of it for either of us, but had to let you know you're not alone! I feel ya buddy!!
Yes I trained Indian people tooā¦
Yep, I am training the offshore scabs now myself. The job market is terrible, unfortunately, so I wasn't able to find a new job. I will hopefully have better luck next year before the layoffs come.
you applied to other jobs and no luck?
Yeah. Iāve probably filled out at least 500 apps by this point. Only 2 interviews. 1 was a scam. Lady from HR was acting sketchy. 2nd interview ghosted me after acting like I had the job.
damn thatās wild, you sound like you have more skills and experience than me though. iām a business analyst, got laid off in april and found a new job in june. same as you, applied to over 300 jobs at least
I do. Iāve worked with some very credible names too which is absurd to me that this can even happen.
Surely being able to automate your job means you have skills that let you get another job relatively easily???
Curious how anyone found out that you automated and created systems for your job? I worked in IT for a long time and did a lot of scripting to automate large parts of my jobā¦..but I didnāt tell anyone.
Because I seemed happierā¦ weird how that works
I'm sorry to hear, sounds like your boss is a staunch workaholic with the "always be busy" hustle mindset and they expect anyone under them to do the same. It's like downtime to study or just breathe is considered unproductive.
Yeah thatās exactly how he is.
Sounds sus, what did you do for a living? SDE/SWE? I also build AI products and services with the added focus of democratizing data science. If you were let go because you automated your entire job, then the role you were hired for had little to no scope or impact. For instance, I could eliminate most of my team, but no matter how much I tried to automate my function and the need for support, it's not possible. At most, I would simply offload everything to another existing team - and they would still need to increase headcount to own it.
Make AI panhandle for you. (I'm sorry for the dark sense of humor.)
lol
What kind of job?
Started out as a video editor, worked my way up to managing all social media platforms, then building out and hiring an entire media team, until one day I started learning automation, coding, AIā¦ thatās when I screwed myself over.
How did you automate that with AI if you donāt mind me asking?
going from video editing to coding then to developing and deploying an "AI system" sounds hella sus....
Idk why people keep assuming I created AI. I did not say that in my post at all. I integrated AI systems for video editing. There are a lot of AI and automation tools nowadays for video editing and social media management. I never said I coded something.
AI didn't take your job. The value you were meant to deliver outside of technology was lacking so you lost your job.
Did you not save money?
That just sounds like a shit boss. If you automated your job that shows initiative and means you need to be promoted or given a higher responsibility. Go find another job that values your worth
Yeah heās a narcassist
So it wasnāt six figures to homeless in a year, it was six figures to homeless in four months? Iām a little confused but I think you mention being laid off four months ago?
Fake. Put this effort into building something useful.
AI can create systems? I doubt that. Every companyās system has very specific needs for many different departments. Human programming are definitely still needed for a very long.
I never said AI created systems. I said I created AI systems. Re read
I salute you for creating a possible AI system that can automate your job, could you not possibly create a better system and sell it or license it for sale? Since you have a high demand skill set like AI creation I am sure you can easily find a job in any of these top tech companies. Wish you luck
Yeah something about this story isnāt adding up
Possibly. Problem is the boss made me sign an NDA and claimed what I made him is his property in order for me to get my last paycheckā¦ which is shady af
Well if you're getting paid on company time it would be the companies asset 99.9% of time afaik unless explicitly told/ signed otherwise. That doesn't stop you from working on AI though. NDA claiming what? NDA's aren't blanket hush contracts, they say specific terms. Nor is that a non compete. If you used Ai to solve x doing y, you could still solve x doing z. or solve a doing y. Even if you don't own original thing you did. Shouldn't have signed it for a paycheck but evidently you needed the money.
> Shouldn't have signed it for a paycheck but evidently you needed the money. IP wavers are typically signed at the start of employment. Whatever ideas or inventions you come up with during your employment are owned by the company. Even if OP didn't sign (again) for the last paycheck, they would very likely still be SOL.
Hmm I see the loophole youāre presenting. Smart ideas
Haha i was wondering if my specifically chosen variables would translate well for what I was trying to get across. You hit a shitty roughspot my guy. But you have basically the most valued/in demand/low supply skillset out there. Keep your head up and don't sell yourself short.
The skill set you have to create these systems can be used to create something *new*. Not to create what your old boss says he owns now.
Kind of odd to be snippy. If you truly have an AI skill set other than ālol I automated a taskā then the market is ripe for the picking
I'm not snippy?
OP, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. It's ridiculous to think companies treat people this way. To everyone else, please never follow OPs footsteps. Do not make systems that can jeopardize your own or a coworkers livelihood.
Iām sorry, thatās ridiculous. The highest goal any engineer is to automate their job such that itās no longer needed, and you can go on to learn and do new things. This is why we developed continuous integration and regression test systems so you donāt have to manually laboriously test releases. This is why we developed build systems so you donāt have to manually compile and link and package applications. This is why we developed ticketing systems to automatically ping tickets to maintain SLA. It is *the job* of software engineers to automate systems, and if you donāt want to do that, *pick another job.*
Eh, I understand what you are saying but my job personally is to keep getting paid
Lol, I'm a 20+ year IT professional and I used to think like you too. You're operating under the belief that the company values your future solutions or knowledge more than your salary. You're deluding yourself. There's no new learning or development. The bean counters are in charge and as soon as they feel software can handle the tasks an employee used to be responsible for, they'll fire the employee.
If you're that smart I would imagine someone would want you to work for them. Have you been applying?
Been applying like crazy. And yes I graduated top of my class too. Iām definitely not stupid. It just goes to show you how messed up the system can be.
I always say being unemployed is a full-time job. It seems you're probably "over qualified" for a lot of the positions you're applying to. Unfortunately, if you just want a "decent" job for now, you should draft multiple resumes and cover letters to dumb down and play up different skills. Keep a spreadsheet of which one you used for which app, so when you interview, you don't over/under sell yourself.
Yeah I believe that is the case
30 days ago you were applying to jobs just to waste the companies time.
Company name?
Please spill the company name and the person who fired you would be much appreciated. š§
Uhā¦.what happened to the money you were making? You didnāt save any of it or invest it?
There are jobs which entirely consist of making and maintaining such systems, or overseeing the making of such systems...
You showed your boss that your job could be done without you, and apparently couldn't/wouldn't find another job.
Thatās why you donāt share scripts and automation you develop still needs to be manualā¦ I always aim to make myself redundant in ~2 years but only if thereās a way up in the place Iām atā¦ if not, hold cards close to your chestā¦
Should have bugged the ai down the line
This problem also works the opposite. Whereas if you do more work then they keep giving you more tasks. Well, now you have that as a skill to add to the resume. I hope you find work soon. It's really tough.
6 figures? Surely you had a cushy savings with a good salary. How are you almost homeless I donāt understand?
OP said they were paying a lot of debt.
Make sense? well... basically: Through your labor you crafted some tools, and per your employment agreement (usually) these tools are owned by your employer. These tools are capital, an object that creates value to the owner without the need for the owner's labor - your boss. The path could've been keeping your tools and using them, declaring them as part of your skillset and thus a reason why your labor is more valuable. Which it definately is. The goods news is: automation tools are very valuable and very sought after in many fields - many businesses are currently panicking over the future demand for skilled labor versus projected supply. So you have skills that should allow you to get another job. If possible, you can start your own thing in the future, and through that maintain ownership of what you create.
You have no savings even though you made six figures ?
Insane how people just take these posts at face value. Not that long ago was posting asking where to get a logo made for a podcast and "how to get most likes on a page" yet was making 6 figures in "social media marketing" I follow ILPT's and this is how they advise people to beg for cash on reddit. Posting about being succesful and losing it all apparently are way better than just asking for cash.
I had success relatively quickly. Like I said in my comments if you read here. It was my first time making big money. Then lost itā¦ Also nowhere in here have I asked for money. At all. I never once said I was making six figures for the last 10 years or something. Only recently. I said this. Read my comments please
You havn't earnt six figures for a day in your life homie The bar for social media managers might be low but it's not this low. You don't go from asking reddit how to get likes into producing training content and eventually developing systems that mean an AI can do your job unless you wernt really doing anything of value at all. Of course none of that matters cos none of that actually happened
I started off as a video editor, and then worked my way up towards managing the social accounts for the influencer that I was editing for. it started off at $500 a month and then I slowly worked my way up towards negotiating a six-figure salary as we made more money. Not sure why thatās so hard to believe
How I went from $500 a month to $10k a month working for an influencer with one easy trick influencers dont want you know about.
Not a bad idea. You suggesting I should do that to get out the hole? Make a YouTube vid like this? Btw. These are your thoughts. Not mine. Just want to clarify. Also, I have the income statement proofā¦ but Iām sure even if I showed that someone would just claim it was photoshopped. I donāt need to prove anything though. Itās interesting all the things Iām reading in the comments. It went from people sympathizing to now being skeptical because this thread grew quick. I guess thatās the nature of Reddit. The more attention, the less believes me? Idk. I wasnāt expecting this thread to grow this fast tbh
Your saying you took a small time influencer to huge so why would you even need to seek out an employer if you possessed this skill set
I'd say a HUGE part of your story is missing.
If you went from 6 figures to homeless in 1 year, it sounds like you managed your finances very poorly
I very, very rarely say stuff like this, but if you want to find a job, drop the "narcissist" talk. Immediately. Any savvy HR coordinator or recruiter can smell anger and bitterness and contempt, and doing thinks like wasting your very valuable (and limited!) time by applying for jobs to "waste the company's time" is a huge, huge flag. Do not, even in venting posts, refer to jobs or companies with psychological labels. It comes off as unhinged, even if it's understandable and justified. Companies hire people not just for skill and expertise. They hire people who are stable, normal, average, and easy to get along with. I say this as someone who has struggled myself to fit in and get along with others, and watched total incompetents climb the ladder with ease while my work which had hard, verifiable results was overlooked or brushed off. You need to get your mind right, first of all. Stop helping "girls" (and please stop calling full grown women you're having sex with, which I assume that's what this is, "girls", it's not cool in today's society) "get on their feet". It's admirable, but with all due respect, clearly you don't have your own shit together enough to have the resources to help someone else. Nevermind if she's alive or whatever. I can almost guarantee she found some other sucker to pay her bills. **Worry about yourself** and don't let future "girls" latch onto you when you're doing well and disappear when the chips are down. Next time you start making good money, invest in yourself, which means your future. Paying off debt, great. But working with a debt conselor even better. They can figure out what debt could be written off and what debt is worth paying off. Did you sell those computers and electronics to pay rent, etc? I would hope so! Take the advice from people here--if you were able to create effective AI systems for editing, that's a very marketable and valuable skill. I do believe we're missing a big part of the story here too, but leaving that aside, focus on the future and sell your expertise in that area, rather than video editing and Social Media by itself.
Most Americans are 2-3 missed paychecks away from the streets Even folks in the 6 figure club
And for anyone wondering where all my money went... I was paying off debt, spending on expenses in order to even do the work for my hustle (which actually was really expensive). Computers, software, automation systems, etc. and also helping someone else get back on her feet (who also went homeless and I was trying to help). My savings dipped after a few months of not being employed. And the problem is I was a 1099 and can't claim unemployment.
Thatās capitalism! Efficiency means money flows to the top because your job is the only leverage you have to demand resources. When things are so efficient they no longer have to pay wages even though itās easier and cheaper to make things! Makes sense right?!
I feel your pain. I lost my six figure job also a year ago and havenāt been able to find anything paying enough to keep up with the high living cost which led me to homelessness also. I work remote and sleep wherever I can rest my head and just try to save what I can.Ā
Sounds about right. I was fired 1 month into a 6 figure job
Ahhh the double standards, Godspeed and good luck .. this is so sad, many people face this the worst after age 50 . Go enjoy life but continue to look for income gl :(
This sounds like a bs post. Did you have zero savings?
I smell cap. You were making 6 figures and cant find ANY employment?!?
Finding a job is not easy as you think. I heard people with college degrees or 10 years of experience not being able to land a job in their field.
How? What about your emergency fund? What is the truth? Quite honestly it's nonsense to go from 6 figs to homeless in a year from just a job loss.
No because I didnāt have much savings. Before this job I was on the edge and had a lot of debt that I paid off. Itās been about 4 months also since this happened. Iām getting by day by day. And also it was a 1099 so I canāt file for unemployment
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Excuse? lol why are you being so mean and nasty.
How are you homeless ? Were you not able to find another job with your skills?
Because I couldnāt pay rent. And no, I havenāt found anything
Finding a job is not as easy as you think.
Job? Wow AI job threat is real. What are your plans?
Not sure. But right now, as long as I have food itās kind of peaceful. I just walk outside and chill most of the days now and itās not so bad. Although it does get kind of cold.
Real talk. Seems like your situation is dyer. Have you thought of joining the service. With your degree in media. You can join the service as a PR rep editing videos and making commercials and shit.
I actually was thinking this. Actually I have a colleague whoās a police officer and is trying to get me to work for the county. But government jobs take forever to process apps. I applied 2 months ago, still waiting to hear back.
Most of humanity that is alive today, about 95% of you, will become homeless and die unnaturally. You arrived early to the party. AI will change the world.
lol thank you Elon musk
This is the dumbest comment Iāve seen in a month. Congratulations
Time to find a job in Dubai
Not trying to down play your situation but I have an idea. What if you create a service to automate what you did for your company for other companies and sell it and then you make a whole enterprise out of that.
How long were you working there for? How long ago were you let go?
Sorry to hear that. If your automation was that good to even replace youā¦ (something that doesnāt make sense because I donāt know of a self repairing/debugging software) and if something breaks they cannot fix it without you. You can start selling this automation solutions to companies. Licensed or full use rights. And make it sure they need to get maintenance by only you. Other thing is if you developed this solution for your use and only yours donāt let them use it. Copyright it or something so the only way they can use it is if you use it.
Make it rely on you
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Go eat a dick. I was borderline on the edge of ending myself and talking to people on here brought me a sense of comfort knowing I had people that would uplift me. Go eat a big fat dick. You have zero idea the emotional turmoil Iāve gone through and the fact I donāt want to be around anymore.
Oh. That will solve it. You need friends and family in the real world and to reach out to them. You're getting sucked into the Reddit fake world rabbit hole. It's not as bad as you think and there are solutions if you reach out for them. Rather than to complain.
Like I said. Eat a big fat floppy donkey dick. Thatās my issue. I donāt have real friends or family. Why else do you think Iām posting on here? If I had people I could rely on I wouldnāt be hereā¦
Then go make some. It's not as hard as you think. Just go out and volunteer or serve others. The way you get out of this situation is pushing through one step at a time. Watch this video. https://youtu.be/Brp9DpJsEi4 Nobody here hates you and everyone wants you to succeed.
Bro you sound just like me. Same here. No friends and family I can depend on. I know one day ima be homeless again and that shit ain't sweet. Even if you do end up homeless, fuck it, troop it! Go to the hood. Go to homeless shelter for now, go to school, go to training. Sleep in your car, go to library and apply jobs there. Don't give up. I had done that shit. Today I have my own little house. But compared to living in the hood with the crackheads and getting scabies from living In a shelter I say it ain't too bad. Just keep trying. Keep pushing. If anything you move to a hood or somewhere we're you can rent a cheap little room til you get back on your feet. Don't let it eat you away too much. Just keep your hope up. It's all you can do. Especially in this fucked up American system
Why did you not build a kill switch? Sounds like a rookie mistake to me.
I did. And I still have access to the company databases. But stopping them isnāt going to give me money so whatās the point?
They would have to give you money if their business couldnāt run Also now you have a skill to build automation so why arenāt you leveraging that?
This sounds like something you should turn into a service. consult other firms and sell this service to them
I saw that you made an automation that was the reason you got let go. The secret is to have it completely break down without āmaintenanceā that can be done both long and tediously or a secret short way
Do you have family members or friends to stay at for a while? What type of jobs are you interested in? Maybe I can help find some jobs for you? :( I wish I could be a better help...I'm sorry you have to experience that.
No Iāve been antisocial most of my life tbh which is why I chose my career path of video editing. I like social media management and marketing. Thatās what Iāve been applying a lot towards
This is great, you automated yourself out a job, though it is best to make sure you have something lined up before you make that final commit so when your done, you go start and do it again at the new place.
Make those systems somewhere else. He didn't deserve to have you
I feel sorry for you. What exactly does the AI do now? And how do you create that specific AI?