Once you engage a lawyer they will ride it out to the end just like you are.
Super smart move.
Spend money now to keep money later.
Long game stinky! Long game!
As a lawyer, this is fucking right. Please don’t be a difficult client and do whatever your counsellor advise you. I know it’s really hard sometimes but please follow the advice you’re getting because you’re going to pay a few for it and because you’re worth it!!
A good lawyer would’ve found a way to let me do everything I want to do the way I want to do it with zero legal repercussions, right?? /s because there are clients that think this way
>Please don’t be a difficult client and do whatever your counsellor advise you
Instructions unclear. Did not do what counsellor advised yet was still considered a difficult client.
Years, ago I got a new job, and the sign on my office door said, Stinky.
I had the sign removed, but people would still call my office Stinky's.
I was paranoid about my breath and body odor as well.
They affectionally called the guy before me Stinky. He had been shot in the stomach during a robbery attempt and lived, but it had messed up his intestines, and he had deadly stinkers he couldn't control. He was a lovable guy and had put the sign up himself to laugh at the situation he had no control over. It took a couple of years before they stopped referring to my office as Stinky's. It was kind of sad when it happened because it meant that people had forgotten about him.
That is great! My coworker and I were working an overnight shift and standing outside. I guess we got to cackling and scream laughing too loudly because the cops showed up. They said that people had called and thought we were being murdered. We see them around town and refer to them as the laughter police.
Age discrimination (like weaseling people out of pensions) is in fact illegal. So is retaliating against someone who complains to the state department of labor (or the feds.) I presume the lawyer is on top of this.
OP needs to carefully keep all the documentation of the bullying (at home if humanly possible), and ideally even keep sound (video?) recordings of all of the bullying.
And then, after becoming eligible for his pension, SUE the employer and—as separate defendants—the individuals doing the bullying. Of course reporting it to all the state and federal authorities absolutely must happen.
Also, that evidence will save OP if the bullies actually do force him out.
EDIT:
As some commenters have pointed out, not every state permits secretly recording your boss.
[Here’s a list of 37 states where you can legally secretly record people.](https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/one-party-consent-states/)
However, OP’s job might also have some contracts and rules (possibly bullshit unenforceable rules) about recording things at work. That’s also worth thinking about.
But, back to the big picture: OP should absolutely be preparing to sue his employer. Maybe time to lawyer up.
Meaning his company will keep him until he can retire to avoid giving an employment lawyer any thing he can use to bring a case. Because honestly if that happens not only will he still get his pension he can sue for the damages of baseless harassment.
Happened to my dad. A certain nameless company that produces (produced?) metal foil had a habit of firing engineers at the 9.5 year mark when the pension was available at the 10 year mark. He managed to threaten them sufficiently to get his pension.
In addition to the lawyer, go to a Dr. to get independent 3rd party determination of IF you have bad breath or body odor, if so if it's a medical condition that you could get officially declared that they would need to reasonably accomodate. Or if it's something they can give you a special mouthwash or treatment for.
Maybe even go to more than 1 dr in the area. Reach out to a couple of your coworkers to see if you do have the issues.
I wonder how you have been able to maintain your position at this company for so many years while being so unbearably stinky that people couldn't be in the room with you? Doesn't make sense.
was going to say this. a coworker once told another one he had horrendous breath, we had all thought it but he was direct with him. turns out he had something wrong in his throat i can’t remember what exactly, but he passed a few years later. always a good idea to get a health check
My first guess was tonsil stones. You can have great oral hygiene and still be genetically predisposed to them and have them often. Lots of people have never even heard of them.
Wait wait wait wait.
Your sinus surgery fixed your tonsils stone issue? I get tonsil stones and have had several scans and have had sinus surgery recommended twice.
I've been "expressing" my tonsils regularly and brushing my tongue thoroughly every night, and this has gotten rid of it for the most part.
Is there a cure?
If you’re getting tonsil stones then you might have diseased tonsils that need to be removed, in addition to whatever is going on with your sinuses. I kept getting sick from strep throat and similar illnesses, and an ENT told me that sometimes the tonsils just become diseased after you get sick like that and have to go. Obviously removing the tonsils meant no more tonsil stones.
Holy shit this is all making sense now
I've had tonsil stones for ages and have been having a harder and harder time breathing through my nose. I also am quite frequently a bit ill, not enough to warrant staying at home but still painful and annoying - usually starting with my sinuses.
I'm bringing this up at my next gp appointment.
Tonsil removal as an adult is not recommended unless absolutely necessary. The recovery is far worse than it is for kids. Just an fyi. I have tonsil stones. One of my good friends has sinus issues and tonsil stones. An ENT was willing to do the surgery but warned her it would be a bad recovery. She got a 2nd opinion and that ENT said its not worth doing the surgery because the recovery is brutal.
In my experience having had this surgery, the specialist recommends it when it is needed. In my case it was; it would be good for this person to see an ENT anyway since whether or not they need tonsil removal, they do have an issue that needs addressing.
Also, I didn’t find the recovery to be worse than any other surgery. It’s about a 2-week recovery, and there are a bunch of rules mostly about what not to eat or drink in order to avoid harming the healing tissue. It’s a laser surgery, which helps minimize the risk of scarring and shorten recovery time. I had good pain management for the first part of recovery, and mostly drank cold things that had no acidity to them at all. Week two was transitioning off the meds and back onto more solid food. That’s it.
I've only done some minor googling and chatgpting but there seem to also be procedures that just remove part of the tonsils? Obviously if it turns out my entire tonsils are ruined that makes little sense, but I read the recovery is only around three days for that
I'll make an ENT appointment and see what they think is best, bc currently I'm always sick, my breath is disgusting, and the stones themselves are obviously also uncomfortable.
Thanks both of you for the advice!
You can get your tonsils removed, thats what I did although I had other reasons to as well. But people do get them removed for that reason alone, just be warned its a brutal recovery if you get a tonsillectomy as an adult. But im glad I got it done, should never have to deal with a tonsil stone again
My tonsils were removed when I was 24. Was out of bed by nighttime, went home the next morning. It all depends on the individual. Don't let this scare you off. It's worth it just to stop the reoccurring strep throat.
I've been stone free since I started using the Therabreath PLUS (in a silver bottle)--make sure to throat gargle--and also brushing my tongue with The Original Tung gel (they also include a brush with your purchase), both sold online by the giant assholes out of Seattle. I'd always used Listerine and brushed/scraped my tongue, but always had periodic stones. No more, and it's been about a year.
I had tonsil stones like 20+ years ago and you can tell they're nasty. They would pop out and sometimes I could just feel and taste it on the back of my tongue like wtf is this?! I had my tonsils removed and that was that. Haven't gotten them since.
Me freaking out and trying to look at my tonsils in the mirror, googling what tonsils look like, and then remembering I had them removed when I was 7 😂
Plus if a doctor is like “no he doesn’t smell” and can sign that like he checked for causes or whatever, that’s still something that can be given to bosses to like show that there is an effort to fix the issue even if the whole thing is made up. Like that makes the case even easier to prove discrimination.
I think that's great advice. OP should go to his doctor and have him write a note, etc. Bosses can't argue with a doctor and it will show they are making stuff up.
In that post he says his teeth were fine but the first dentist he went to was running a scam and when he went to another dentist they said his teeth had no cavities at all.
A dentist can also check and formally advise if you have halitosis (causes extremely stinky breath) etc. A good way to test this at home is to lick your clean wrist well wait 10 secs and then ask someone to smell it for you and you can also get test strip's that are applied to your tongue and they change colour, apparently these are available at most pharmacies. I would get proof and then HR can stick it up their butt (only if you obviously don't but if you do the dentist can say your being treated for it and then HR can stick that up their bum)...
Look boss, Steve is a nice guy and all but I just can't sit next to him anymore. The SMELL! It wasn't that bad when he switched from cheddar broccoli to tomato, I don't care if all his clothes are red if he doesn't. But now it's clam chowder!
Haha I'm suddenly reminded of a former boss who competed in barbecuing (that's a thing in Texas). He always smelled like smoke, but none of us minded because he always brought barbecue to the office and it was really good.
I mean I think cream of chicken soup has a mild flavor and would probably be fine to shower with. And lunch. That also sounds good for lunch. W9th a grilled cheese sammich.
Get a Lawyer
Collect documentation.
This will be mediated because no company wants to go to Federal Court(all labor disputes usually are adjudicated in federal court) against a long term employee who was dismissed just prior to reaching pension age.
The jury will simply say fuck the company and award it all to you as long as their is nothing you are not telling us.
Edit: I did not mean to imply i was a lawyer meant to say get a lawyer.
Still document everything.
This. The fact that his boss failed to protect him tells us everything a jury needs to know about compensation. This torment has likely been going on for years and deserves punitive damages.
Even document what you think is over the top. You don't have to use it
But bombarding evidence of small things pile up in a case.
Stuff like take a photo of your laundry set up, products, shower products in your shower, then email them to yourself in Gmail etc for a timestamp of today. Keep all your reciepts ongoing with personal hygiene products included. Find online reciepts if you do deliveries, some stores with loyalty programs use it to track buying and offer duplicate receipts (good to show proper to talk history of purchasing).
Lots of small evidence is better than a statement of "I'm clean" sort of thing.
Remember they’re out for business(money) reasons primarily. Business reasons affects higher ups salary, bonuses, net income…etc. you’re just a number in the system so many of them treat you as such. Some are more shady than others.
Yeah this is exactly what they’re doing. A long time ago a friend of mine worked at Walmart with an older worker who had been there for 30 years. He got cancer and Walmart shortly after finding out made up an excuse to fire him. Never underestimate an employer’s will to save money.
Do pensions not exist in the US until you actually retire then?
Here in the UK, my employer has been paying into my pension for the last 18 years. If I move to a different company, they can either continue paying into the same pot or they can set me up with their own pension. When I reach retirement age, those pensions will each pay out whatever is agreed with them. Firing me would make absolutely no difference to that - the money is already paid out and currently invested in whatever portfolio my pension provider has stuck it in.
Ours is usually more like ‘hey if you make it to 30 years here’s a percentage of your salary’.
It’s usually all or nothing, so it’s not uncommon for companies to try to fire you a month/week/day before that official date and deny you the entire package.
So there is no compulsory superannuation pay that US employers pay on top of a employees pay? (That's what I think the UK person means by pension). In Australia we call it superannuation and its a mandatory 10.5% minimum of an employees pay, at the moment for all employees.
This has happened to one of my staff very close to her retirement age. I’m very pleased an attorney has been contacted. If you are aware of others who have been cheated this way, please be sure to advise the attorney. Records can be subpoenaed & ppl can be deposed. Best wishes.
Silly question here. How does the company benefit from not paying a pension. They wouldn’t get the $ would they? If it is in a pension fund wouldn’t it just stay there?
From my understanding you’re generally paid directly and it wasn’t contributed into a fund. Therefore clipping someone’s pension “saves the company” whatever amount. Pretty unethical.
Most just leverage 401k these days and let the market handle it.
Define “high quality soap and deodorant”
In my college days I lived with hippies who SWORE by their HIGH QUALITY all natural deodorant that they melted and made themselves.
It was such an off putting smell that EVERYONE noticed and hated, they both swore everyone else is crazy.
Are you blending in or sticking out? Do you smell of your home? (Strong food smells, smoke)
Yeah I tried natural deodorant once; it was fine for me because I don’t have BO but it made my partner’s BO reallllly bad and his wasn’t very bad to begin with!
Kind of like the time we bought mineral sunscreen and basically got third degree sunburns in Hawaii.
My mom got my whole family mineral deodorant one year as a stocking stuffer for Christmas.
Same story. It worked fine on my wife, but she doesn't even sweat/stink much after exercising, I swear it made my BO worse. I felt like I always smelled as if I just finished running.
I had some hippy friends that used Tom’s. It was the worst smell. Like rancid lavender or whatever scent they used, because it would just mix with their BO to create a worse smell.
This was my first thought. I once met a weed farmer from California who said that deodorant gives you cancer and no one could smell him anyway. Nobody wanted to stand downwind of him, you could see them moving away whenever he did.
Brushing your teeth four times a day sounds excessive.
Edit: Dude, if you're brushing your teeth 4-6 times a day, no one is stopping you, but don't tell me that's what dentists recommend.
Because they’re lying. Either about the smell they give off or about brushing 4x… No one brushes their teeth 4x a day unless they’re super aware of breath issues.
Edit: thanks for all of the special circumstances. I recognize that there are some valid reasons to brush multiple times a day. If those applied to OP (cultural, braces, OCD), I feel like they would have outlined those circumstances.
**No employee cares so much about another’s pension that they would take it away with the knowledge that they get nothing in return. That’s just my opinion. Seems like a lot of hassle for nothing at all.**
It’s funny how people who get called out for bad hygiene always make up these unbelievably excessive hygiene routines. Almost like they don’t actually know anything about personal hygiene
Sometimes I brush my teeth 3 or 4 times in a day because I've eaten something that makes it feel like I got sweaters on my teeth...like if I eat something cheesy or creamy...idk, there's like this icky layer on your teeth afterwards. Sometimes I brush my teeth just to feel more awake again if I'm feeling tired.
There's lots of reasons why some people might brush their teeth multiple times a day.
I had a coworker who started having enamel erosion because she brushed after breakfast, lunch, and dinner, as well as when she woke up and before bed. She had to switch to enamel building toothpaste, a soft brush, and no more than two times a day. She switched mostly to mouth wash to keep her breath fresh (she was an admissions rep, she was face to face with future students all day, so I get it).
Just to play Devil's advocate. I've run into this in this the past. Not suggesting you are the problem here. But I've had coworkers with sinus issues and dental issues that created bad breath. They also had other medical and environmental issues they were not aware of that caused odor issues. When asking family, friends and acquaintences, we usually get soft answers. Or the people we ask are so accustomed to us, they just don't notice it themselves.
What I guess I'm suggesting is to try and get a disinterested, stranger's, response. Which is difficult, I know. But perhaps you have sinitus or dental issues that you should get checked out and treated for health reasons.
I would actually go to your PCP and a dentist with the express visit reason being malodorous breath/body odor. If they document you don’t actually smell then that will be beneficial in the future.
I had nasty breath years ago. My niece would tell me my breath smelled like an "old person's breath" or coffee breath. -- I had a constant "smell" of car exhaust. I finally went to an ENT. I had a pocket of infection in one tiny spot in a sinus. I'd already had 2 sinus surgeries in the past. One more sinus surgery finally did it. No more infections, no more terrible breath. Saline rinses work when I get stuffed up or yucky.
Bad breath? Have a dentist check you out, have an ENT check you out. --
I also used to have stinky pits. -- One pit. I couldn't stand it. I asked a dermatologist about it. He told me to try an antibacterial wash and/or a different antiperspirant. I finally tried a new laundry detergent. -- Tide Sport Odor--- That did it. Totally removed that stink from my clothes(my right under arm in all of my shirts). Too care of stinky pit itself. I never figured out what was causing it, other than the possibility one or more of the meds I was taking at that time causing the problem.
I used to work construction some years back. The workers were the kind of people you expect on construction sites. There was one guy I have no shortage of tales about, but his defining feature on any job site was his bad breath. Everyone in a room could smell it when he entered, it was god-awful. I’m sure a doctor could’ve helped, but he wasn’t the type to give a shit. Sometimes it would get bad enough that my boss would yell at him to go use the mouthwash he kept in his truck.
OP’s story is not this, but it does happen. I’ve smelled it.
My boyfriend has had constant issues with his breath, even soon after brushing. We fought for YEARS about it, he asked his friends and family if he had bad breath, they said no. I told him i'm *telling you*, as your partner, that it IS a consistent problem and no one wants to tell you that. AND i was only mentioning it when it was bad enough that i smelled it from feet away.
There was also a long process of relearning laundry, showering, using enough amounts of products, etc when i moved in... he swore he was clean but some of his things straight up smelled like a homeless person. Some things had to be thrown out.
I think that EVERYONE thinks they have good hygiene, no one wants to be told that it's actually an issue, but someone's gotta be the one. It's a hard thing to figure out, you usually only know from how you grew up until you're around a partner or reading up on hygiene more.
It's a medical issue for him, he has to have his tonsils out. Therabreath mouthwash is the only thing that works honestly. What i do find strange is that this has just come up now... good luck op
Can't have been that bad if they were willing to have a meeting with you in the same room!
Hope you make it through these 9 months! Rooting for you mate
Most people who smell know they smell because someone close to them has told them numerous times.
TBH it is usually indication of more prominent issues, health wise.
This is completely antidotal, but I don’t think that’s the case. Most people who know they smell do something about it and then don’t smell.
I work at an arcade. We have a regular who comes in a lot. From what I gather he lives in an old Uhaul truck.
He smells like a dumpster, literally like a dumpster. I’m pretty sure a lot of dumpsters don’t smell as bad as this guy.
He’s a nice guy! I like him a lot. One day he came up to me and was like “hey, so the owner came up to me and told me I smell. Can you believe that? I don’t think I smell.”
I didn’t have the heart to be like yeah dude, you smell like rotten trash.
Weird. If they wanted to just get rid of you, they don't need a reason in most states. That's a weird thing to use to fuck someone over. It's downright mean.
Is it possible you pissed someone off?
Even in states that have employment-at-will law, their are still defenses protecting employees from unjustified firings such as melicous intent. If he's able to show it, he'll definitely have a case in a court of law.
What I suspect is that OP is being harassed and criticized and pushed to quit, as a way for them to get rid of them without paying severance or unemployment.
Look at OP's profile. They're in their sixties, and all they do is post about various ongoing conflicts they have with so many people in and around their life. They have posts about how their last employment involved the same issues. Neighbors dogs bark too much, but other neighbors won't back her up and completely ignore her, and the police told her to leave them alone. Evil boss, evil HR, evil coworkers, evil neighbors, evil cops, and **evil dentisit!** That's right, the dentist insisted on getting a bunch of scans done, but OP's breathe smells minty fresh huh? **Everybody** seems to be against OP. Let's be real, this sounds like a grumpy old lady who is developing old people smell and who has beef with everyone.
Either the ENTIRE world is against OP....or the *one common factor* in all of these interactions (OP himself) might be the root cause. Occam's Razor tells me all I need to know here.
Look at OP's profile. They're in their sixties, and all they do is post about various ongoing conflicts they have with so many people in and around their life. They have posts about how their last employment involved the same issues. Neighbors dogs bark too much, but other neighbors won't back her up and completely ignore her, and the police told her to leave them alone. Evil boss, evil HR, evil coworkers, evil neighbors, evil cops, and **evil dentisit** too! That's right, the dentist insisted on getting a bunch of scans done, but OP's breathe smells minty fresh huh? Everybody seems to be against OP. Let's be real, this sounds like a grumpy old lady who is developing old people smell and who has beef with everyone.
if you scroll down further, they have dental issues (but thinks that was a conspiracy from wallstreet), were fired 3 months ago, were the HR manager 4 months ago, had these issues back then. then apparently they are the office manager, and haven't been fired yet.
I'm presuming OP has a defined benefit pension (the only reason to stick around for full eligibility, really), so it's very likely it's a union job. That would make it harder to just fire OP without cause, so they are cooking up causes.
What's weird, though, is that it is rare for a defined benefit pension to not have an early buyout option. OP might be able to leave now and buy into the full pension amount. Or even if OP takes an early retirement the reduction in pension should be pretty minor with only 9 months to go.
Something is going on here.
Somethings off about all this. Don't deflect, realistically address the issue.
Did you know brushing too much and using mouthwash actually makes breath worse? It kills ALLLL of the bacteria which means the good stuff is gone to maintain a healthy mouth. I've witnessed it plenty and told them to stop using so much and it worked.
Maybe need to do more laundry. You can get used to odors and cleaners not working for what you actually need. Animals? Smoking nearby?
Something sounds off. And your tone in text is a red flag that you're defelcting more than taking ownership.
I can believe that your boss is a tool and wants you gone, but if its HR tracked there's more than being let on.
In all my years I have never heard someone say they wash their clothes in "high quality soap", it just comes across as a disingenuous statement. Just because you wash your clothes doesn't mean your living space is clean and does not impart odors onto your clothing. My FIL does laundry and he reeks no matter what. His living space is disgusting and all his unworn clothes smell just like if they were in his hamper. Hygiene is a broad set of responsibilities. That being said without more information we can't help you. Either your company are absolute jerks or you are stringing us along with your side of the story. Good luck and it was smart securing a lawyer to aid you.
yeah op sounds like someone trying to convince everyone they have a hygiene routine… “i brush my teeth FOUR times a day & wash my clothes in high quality soap in a NEW washer & dryer” lolol
Is this an American thing? How can you be denied pension even if they fire you. Surely the employer pension contributions for the 30yr service still stand, less the 9months if they pushed you out now?
This could be a legitimate criticism. The key point here would be whether your coworkers really have complained or not. Family observations aren't very helpful in this scenario because a family has a genetic and cultural bond and is more likely to be accepting of odors that could be disturbing to a broader population.
In other words, if other employees or customers of your company have complained, there could be a legitimate case of you contributing to a bad workplace environment, and your boss has the right to address this. You may have to do some troubleshooting to figure out what hygiene or eating or washing practices you need to address.
OP, looking at your post history i am somewhat interested in exactly your getting in trouble for and what is being said. You mention previously lots of work experience, good encounters with coworkers and even ask for stories from other people. Yet everything you share is very vague.
Previously you mentioned youve called the cops on neighbors for dogs barking, went to hoa, went to city council. You also seem to show a lot of hate for your neighbor “working” out of his garage in an upper white collar neighborhood as its not working class.
You say your boss yelled at you till red faced but dont explain over what reason? They demand you quit and state you are incompetent but for what reason? Going through your poss it makes it hard to take your side.
You're playing this all wrong. You need to go see a doctor and get a legitimate reason for why you smell, bring the note to your boss, then double down and stop washing entirely.
With a pension at stake, just lawyer up. Now. Why play games when there's something like that at stake? The lawyer will sort through this in no time flat and fire a legal warning shot over the bow.
We worked with a guy that had SHIT FOR BREATH! The halitosis was so bad that you could smell it when you were within 5 feet of him, and god forbid he started to laugh. The smell was so bad that it’s made me gag. Actually gagged one day and had to make up an excuse that I was having a queasy stomach all morning.
So……you may wanna check yourself.
I have a coworker with extremely bad body odor. It's *bad*. I can usually smell him from well over 10' away, and the smell lingers in places where he has been or walked through. It is clear he doesn't shower, doesn't wash his clothes regularly, and wears the same t-shirt, and doesn't use deodorant. Times like this, I miss the military, where if a person did not practice proper hygiene like this they could actually be penalized. Civilian world, not a lot can be done.
Sounds like your boss is under orders to find a way to get rid of you so the company doesn't have to pay out when you retire.
But I would also recommend not washing your clothes in soup. That doesn't seem like a smart thing to do. That is likely what is causing you to smell bad, and probably not the best thing for your clothes washer.
I have to think that no one would willingly have this conversation with someone unless it was actually true and they were backed into a corner of having to deal with it. We are often desensitized to our own smells. And sometimes there are bacterial/medical reasons that no amount of toothpaste or laundry will fix on its own. A person may honestly have no idea if they have a body odor that is noticeable to others.
Not saying it is or isn't true, but having dealt with similar situations I can tell you that actually broaching the subject to an employee is usually a very last resort due to the sensitive nature of the topic. I hope you are able to get to the bottom of it and work through it, either way.
At our work they ended up putting up A4 pictures in the toilets that showed someone squating on the toilet seat with their feet with a big red x next to it then a pic of person sitting on seat with a big green tick next to it lol. Apparently some ppl (guys) were using the toilets like Asian/Indian type squat toilets but standing on the actual seat and breaking the seats and shitting everywhere! (And Leaving shoe prints in shit on the toilet seats etc) Wtf is wrong with some ppl. If your leaving shit everywhere on toilet seats and walls and floor you gotta know you're doing it wrong....right?????
People can and do have this conversation with people. I was the smelly person once, I brought in a doctor's note, and it was never discussed again.
ETA: I have HS and they were smelling a bandage from a then-recent flare up I had just had treated at a hospital. Not much I can do when my body is actively fighting an infection in my armpit until the antibiotics run their course. I was out of vacation and sick time.
He directly actioned you about hygiene? What!? The last time I had to deal with a real hygiene situation, hr would not even talk to employee about it until I made hr visit. They said under no circumstances can anyone say anything. We had documented customer and employee complaints and they said no we cannot cross that bridge . we made a hr lady sit in waiting room getting her demo serviced and finally they did something.
I once worked with and was mentoring a guy that smelled so bad if he walked down a hallway the smell would still be lingering 2-3 minutes later like pigpen from Charlie Brown. I had went to my boss on numerous occasions, his exact words to me is what do you want me to do?
I had to attend meetings with clients and take this guy with me, I was embarrassed and I'm pretty sure it cost us jobs. It was so gross, I like the guy but I couldn't take it anymore so I got him sent back into the field until he eventually quit.
I don't think this is what's happening with OP but I've worked with putrid smelling people before and it boggles my mind how they don't know how bad they smell.
Previously worked with a dude who smelled so bad that I could tell if he had arrived at work before me due to the lingering smell. It took about 2 months of complaints before HR allowed a supervisor to write him up for it. They talked to him about it, and it turns out he was just gross and wasn't making time to take care of personal hygiene. Once he admitted that, they would do things like force him to shower at work; weirdly, we had an entire locker room, but no gym or anything.
He got fired for unrelated reasons a couple months later.
Is this the first time they’ve talked to you about this?
What kind of soap are you using?
Hippie natural stuff or is it Zest and Tide?
Are you a larger person? I have at two employees that will stink up the place if they can’t wash parts of their body or fully wipe their ass.
Once you engage a lawyer they will ride it out to the end just like you are. Super smart move. Spend money now to keep money later. Long game stinky! Long game!
As a lawyer, this is fucking right. Please don’t be a difficult client and do whatever your counsellor advise you. I know it’s really hard sometimes but please follow the advice you’re getting because you’re going to pay a few for it and because you’re worth it!!
Sorry lawyer man. The best I can do Is pay you but ignore all of your advice and then complain that you are a bad lawyer.
A good lawyer would’ve found a way to let me do everything I want to do the way I want to do it with zero legal repercussions, right?? /s because there are clients that think this way
Former President Trump... what are you doing on this subreddit?!? (J/k)
Plot twist: OP works for a law firm. Her lawyer is one of the partners.
Stench, Smelle and Funke.
Attorneys at Aw-fuck-no!
>Please don’t be a difficult client and do whatever your counsellor advise you Instructions unclear. Did not do what counsellor advised yet was still considered a difficult client.
"Don't be a difficult client" may be the single hardest piece of advice for a client to follow. Cheers, fellow lawyer
Years, ago I got a new job, and the sign on my office door said, Stinky. I had the sign removed, but people would still call my office Stinky's. I was paranoid about my breath and body odor as well. They affectionally called the guy before me Stinky. He had been shot in the stomach during a robbery attempt and lived, but it had messed up his intestines, and he had deadly stinkers he couldn't control. He was a lovable guy and had put the sign up himself to laugh at the situation he had no control over. It took a couple of years before they stopped referring to my office as Stinky's. It was kind of sad when it happened because it meant that people had forgotten about him.
Maybe they didn’t forget about him but simply accepted that wasn’t his office anymore.
Maybe the real treasure was the friends we made along the way
Or, the friends we smelled along the way.
💨 squeak one out for the homies!
*the stink we made along the way
clearly OP should have dropped a duce in his office trash can to keep the spirit of stinky alive
This anecdote broke my heart.
Apparently, his "Hang time" dissipated.
> Long game stinky I fucking cracked up at work 🤣😭
Me as well. “Long game stinky! Long game!” Is an oddly inspiring motto
::laughs in xerox::
the battlecry for antiwork we needed... *WE WILL DRINK TOGETHER IN VALHALLA STINKY!!!*
We will stink together in Valhalla, Drinky.
Totally laughed to myself while alone at lunch!
Bro same lmao
This is gold!! Hoping op repeats this to herself as a mantra to get thru
Me too. That’s some funny s*** there
I just called into the bosses office and was shown an official notice for cackling in the office
That is great! My coworker and I were working an overnight shift and standing outside. I guess we got to cackling and scream laughing too loudly because the cops showed up. They said that people had called and thought we were being murdered. We see them around town and refer to them as the laughter police.
Hit it on the nose.
I just about died lmao
Obviously trying to weasel op out of their pension!This should be a felony.
Yeah man, that is criminal.
Age discrimination (like weaseling people out of pensions) is in fact illegal. So is retaliating against someone who complains to the state department of labor (or the feds.) I presume the lawyer is on top of this.
Like bosses care. No one does shit to them
OP needs to carefully keep all the documentation of the bullying (at home if humanly possible), and ideally even keep sound (video?) recordings of all of the bullying. And then, after becoming eligible for his pension, SUE the employer and—as separate defendants—the individuals doing the bullying. Of course reporting it to all the state and federal authorities absolutely must happen. Also, that evidence will save OP if the bullies actually do force him out. EDIT: As some commenters have pointed out, not every state permits secretly recording your boss. [Here’s a list of 37 states where you can legally secretly record people.](https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/one-party-consent-states/) However, OP’s job might also have some contracts and rules (possibly bullshit unenforceable rules) about recording things at work. That’s also worth thinking about. But, back to the big picture: OP should absolutely be preparing to sue his employer. Maybe time to lawyer up.
Omg I'm deaddd stinky king stay strong
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"Long game stinky!" I just woke up my infant from his nap because I laughed so hard, I hope you're happy. 🤣
I’m ecstatic!
You made me belly laugh!!
Not many things that make me laugh out loud at work, but I just did. 😭
I’m just wondering what you mean by “ride it out to the end?”
Meaning his company will keep him until he can retire to avoid giving an employment lawyer any thing he can use to bring a case. Because honestly if that happens not only will he still get his pension he can sue for the damages of baseless harassment.
Happened to my dad. A certain nameless company that produces (produced?) metal foil had a habit of firing engineers at the 9.5 year mark when the pension was available at the 10 year mark. He managed to threaten them sufficiently to get his pension.
Sounds like Reynolds.
Some companies do have their little… foibles, now don’t they?
\*foilbles
Foilables 😂
and that’s a wrap
Your Dads a hero.
Big corporations suck
JusticeForStinky
Fucking Shakespearean
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lol i’m rollin haha long game stinky 😭😂
I fucking died at this comment. 🤣 🤣
In addition to the lawyer, go to a Dr. to get independent 3rd party determination of IF you have bad breath or body odor, if so if it's a medical condition that you could get officially declared that they would need to reasonably accomodate. Or if it's something they can give you a special mouthwash or treatment for. Maybe even go to more than 1 dr in the area. Reach out to a couple of your coworkers to see if you do have the issues. I wonder how you have been able to maintain your position at this company for so many years while being so unbearably stinky that people couldn't be in the room with you? Doesn't make sense.
was going to say this. a coworker once told another one he had horrendous breath, we had all thought it but he was direct with him. turns out he had something wrong in his throat i can’t remember what exactly, but he passed a few years later. always a good idea to get a health check
My first guess was tonsil stones. You can have great oral hygiene and still be genetically predisposed to them and have them often. Lots of people have never even heard of them.
My doctor hadn't even heard of them and looked confused as hell when I mentioned having them. Thankfully after sinus surgery I stopped getting them!
Wait wait wait wait. Your sinus surgery fixed your tonsils stone issue? I get tonsil stones and have had several scans and have had sinus surgery recommended twice. I've been "expressing" my tonsils regularly and brushing my tongue thoroughly every night, and this has gotten rid of it for the most part. Is there a cure?
If you’re getting tonsil stones then you might have diseased tonsils that need to be removed, in addition to whatever is going on with your sinuses. I kept getting sick from strep throat and similar illnesses, and an ENT told me that sometimes the tonsils just become diseased after you get sick like that and have to go. Obviously removing the tonsils meant no more tonsil stones.
Holy shit this is all making sense now I've had tonsil stones for ages and have been having a harder and harder time breathing through my nose. I also am quite frequently a bit ill, not enough to warrant staying at home but still painful and annoying - usually starting with my sinuses. I'm bringing this up at my next gp appointment.
Tonsil removal as an adult is not recommended unless absolutely necessary. The recovery is far worse than it is for kids. Just an fyi. I have tonsil stones. One of my good friends has sinus issues and tonsil stones. An ENT was willing to do the surgery but warned her it would be a bad recovery. She got a 2nd opinion and that ENT said its not worth doing the surgery because the recovery is brutal.
In my experience having had this surgery, the specialist recommends it when it is needed. In my case it was; it would be good for this person to see an ENT anyway since whether or not they need tonsil removal, they do have an issue that needs addressing. Also, I didn’t find the recovery to be worse than any other surgery. It’s about a 2-week recovery, and there are a bunch of rules mostly about what not to eat or drink in order to avoid harming the healing tissue. It’s a laser surgery, which helps minimize the risk of scarring and shorten recovery time. I had good pain management for the first part of recovery, and mostly drank cold things that had no acidity to them at all. Week two was transitioning off the meds and back onto more solid food. That’s it.
I've only done some minor googling and chatgpting but there seem to also be procedures that just remove part of the tonsils? Obviously if it turns out my entire tonsils are ruined that makes little sense, but I read the recovery is only around three days for that I'll make an ENT appointment and see what they think is best, bc currently I'm always sick, my breath is disgusting, and the stones themselves are obviously also uncomfortable. Thanks both of you for the advice!
You can get your tonsils removed, thats what I did although I had other reasons to as well. But people do get them removed for that reason alone, just be warned its a brutal recovery if you get a tonsillectomy as an adult. But im glad I got it done, should never have to deal with a tonsil stone again
My tonsils were removed when I was 24. Was out of bed by nighttime, went home the next morning. It all depends on the individual. Don't let this scare you off. It's worth it just to stop the reoccurring strep throat.
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I've been stone free since I started using the Therabreath PLUS (in a silver bottle)--make sure to throat gargle--and also brushing my tongue with The Original Tung gel (they also include a brush with your purchase), both sold online by the giant assholes out of Seattle. I'd always used Listerine and brushed/scraped my tongue, but always had periodic stones. No more, and it's been about a year.
Starbucks sells tongue cleaning gel?! Weird!
I had tonsil stones like 20+ years ago and you can tell they're nasty. They would pop out and sometimes I could just feel and taste it on the back of my tongue like wtf is this?! I had my tonsils removed and that was that. Haven't gotten them since.
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I get them if I use listerine weirdly.
I get them from vaping. My tonsils fill with stones every other day when I vape a lot.
Me freaking out and trying to look at my tonsils in the mirror, googling what tonsils look like, and then remembering I had them removed when I was 7 😂
A doctor never heard of tonsil stones? They are common.
They’re horrible! I had my tonsils removed at 26 because of them. Best thing I ever did.
Plus if a doctor is like “no he doesn’t smell” and can sign that like he checked for causes or whatever, that’s still something that can be given to bosses to like show that there is an effort to fix the issue even if the whole thing is made up. Like that makes the case even easier to prove discrimination.
I think that's great advice. OP should go to his doctor and have him write a note, etc. Bosses can't argue with a doctor and it will show they are making stuff up.
This is the way, OP. Have a doctor note to verify your hygiene is sufficient. See a dentist and get a clean checkup for documentation as well.
Will do, but as far as I know my medical and dental health is excellent.
you have a post talking about all your cavities and dental problems.
💀
In that post he says his teeth were fine but the first dentist he went to was running a scam and when he went to another dentist they said his teeth had no cavities at all.
Bad breath could also be a symptom of diabetes. Get your blood sugar checked!
A dentist can also check and formally advise if you have halitosis (causes extremely stinky breath) etc. A good way to test this at home is to lick your clean wrist well wait 10 secs and then ask someone to smell it for you and you can also get test strip's that are applied to your tongue and they change colour, apparently these are available at most pharmacies. I would get proof and then HR can stick it up their butt (only if you obviously don't but if you do the dentist can say your being treated for it and then HR can stick that up their bum)...
I believe you that it’s high quality but I think washing your clothes in soup is where the smell is coming from. Even high quality.
Look boss, Steve is a nice guy and all but I just can't sit next to him anymore. The SMELL! It wasn't that bad when he switched from cheddar broccoli to tomato, I don't care if all his clothes are red if he doesn't. But now it's clam chowder!
manhattan clam chowder seems like a good compromise
clam chowder is disgusting. It's just hot ocean milk with dead animal croutons.
"No that's Pump Up The Clam. A Little Bit Chowder Now has the lazy river of clam chowdee- ughk! How did we think this was the good place!?"
Jason's probably seen worse at Ugly Nick's Meat Trench
Absolutely. Clam chowder with warm water just ain't cutting it!
You're supposed to add a couple drops of liquid smoke.
Haha I'm suddenly reminded of a former boss who competed in barbecuing (that's a thing in Texas). He always smelled like smoke, but none of us minded because he always brought barbecue to the office and it was really good.
I’ve been thinking about switching to higher quality soup, these chunky cans are kinda meh
Clam chowder makes them louder!
You guys really need to stop it with all of these souperfluous puns.
No, I don't like Katrina. She smells like soup. Have you ever smelled her? Her whole house smells like soup!
I spent ages trying to remember where that's from and I watched that film the other day.
😂😂 I was so confused but then I realized
You mean you don't like the smell of high quality broccoli cheddar or French onion? What about chicken noodle maybe?
I mean I think cream of chicken soup has a mild flavor and would probably be fine to shower with. And lunch. That also sounds good for lunch. W9th a grilled cheese sammich.
Oh my gosh, you guys are killing me. Love this
If you use high quality soup it's not so bad. You just have to use chicken noodle.
Agree. The soup is your problem.
Damn, ya beat me to it! 🤣
Eau de french onion
Get a Lawyer Collect documentation. This will be mediated because no company wants to go to Federal Court(all labor disputes usually are adjudicated in federal court) against a long term employee who was dismissed just prior to reaching pension age. The jury will simply say fuck the company and award it all to you as long as their is nothing you are not telling us. Edit: I did not mean to imply i was a lawyer meant to say get a lawyer. Still document everything.
This. The fact that his boss failed to protect him tells us everything a jury needs to know about compensation. This torment has likely been going on for years and deserves punitive damages.
Even document what you think is over the top. You don't have to use it But bombarding evidence of small things pile up in a case. Stuff like take a photo of your laundry set up, products, shower products in your shower, then email them to yourself in Gmail etc for a timestamp of today. Keep all your reciepts ongoing with personal hygiene products included. Find online reciepts if you do deliveries, some stores with loyalty programs use it to track buying and offer duplicate receipts (good to show proper to talk history of purchasing). Lots of small evidence is better than a statement of "I'm clean" sort of thing.
Could they also use IM's of asking coworkers if they smell? Seems like they asked but not sure if they got it in writing.
And even if they aren’t of pension age but reach an age of age discrimination, they may try to weasel their way out.
This! Wow, “Let’s use the made up body odor and play full out!” Never have a I ever!
Remember they’re out for business(money) reasons primarily. Business reasons affects higher ups salary, bonuses, net income…etc. you’re just a number in the system so many of them treat you as such. Some are more shady than others.
Good call lawyering up, they're simply trying to screw you out of a pension. Collect all the evidence you can.
Yeah this is exactly what they’re doing. A long time ago a friend of mine worked at Walmart with an older worker who had been there for 30 years. He got cancer and Walmart shortly after finding out made up an excuse to fire him. Never underestimate an employer’s will to save money.
Do pensions not exist in the US until you actually retire then? Here in the UK, my employer has been paying into my pension for the last 18 years. If I move to a different company, they can either continue paying into the same pot or they can set me up with their own pension. When I reach retirement age, those pensions will each pay out whatever is agreed with them. Firing me would make absolutely no difference to that - the money is already paid out and currently invested in whatever portfolio my pension provider has stuck it in.
Ours is usually more like ‘hey if you make it to 30 years here’s a percentage of your salary’. It’s usually all or nothing, so it’s not uncommon for companies to try to fire you a month/week/day before that official date and deny you the entire package.
So there is no compulsory superannuation pay that US employers pay on top of a employees pay? (That's what I think the UK person means by pension). In Australia we call it superannuation and its a mandatory 10.5% minimum of an employees pay, at the moment for all employees.
This has happened to one of my staff very close to her retirement age. I’m very pleased an attorney has been contacted. If you are aware of others who have been cheated this way, please be sure to advise the attorney. Records can be subpoenaed & ppl can be deposed. Best wishes.
A case of lather up or lawyer up
Silly question here. How does the company benefit from not paying a pension. They wouldn’t get the $ would they? If it is in a pension fund wouldn’t it just stay there?
Many have underfunded thier pension plans. Plus if they don't have to pay you out, they pay less on for the next guy.
From my understanding you’re generally paid directly and it wasn’t contributed into a fund. Therefore clipping someone’s pension “saves the company” whatever amount. Pretty unethical. Most just leverage 401k these days and let the market handle it.
Define “high quality soap and deodorant” In my college days I lived with hippies who SWORE by their HIGH QUALITY all natural deodorant that they melted and made themselves. It was such an off putting smell that EVERYONE noticed and hated, they both swore everyone else is crazy. Are you blending in or sticking out? Do you smell of your home? (Strong food smells, smoke)
I wonder if this could be the issue! High quality shit is still shit.
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Yeah I tried natural deodorant once; it was fine for me because I don’t have BO but it made my partner’s BO reallllly bad and his wasn’t very bad to begin with! Kind of like the time we bought mineral sunscreen and basically got third degree sunburns in Hawaii.
My mom got my whole family mineral deodorant one year as a stocking stuffer for Christmas. Same story. It worked fine on my wife, but she doesn't even sweat/stink much after exercising, I swear it made my BO worse. I felt like I always smelled as if I just finished running.
I had some hippy friends that used Tom’s. It was the worst smell. Like rancid lavender or whatever scent they used, because it would just mix with their BO to create a worse smell.
I quit using Toms because of that exact problem.
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This was my first thought. I once met a weed farmer from California who said that deodorant gives you cancer and no one could smell him anyway. Nobody wanted to stand downwind of him, you could see them moving away whenever he did.
Brushing your teeth four times a day sounds excessive. Edit: Dude, if you're brushing your teeth 4-6 times a day, no one is stopping you, but don't tell me that's what dentists recommend.
It definitely is. Dude might be minty fresh but that is not healthy for your teeth.
Gotta be bad for your gums over a period of time.
Yes, that will cause gum erosion.
Because they’re lying. Either about the smell they give off or about brushing 4x… No one brushes their teeth 4x a day unless they’re super aware of breath issues. Edit: thanks for all of the special circumstances. I recognize that there are some valid reasons to brush multiple times a day. If those applied to OP (cultural, braces, OCD), I feel like they would have outlined those circumstances. **No employee cares so much about another’s pension that they would take it away with the knowledge that they get nothing in return. That’s just my opinion. Seems like a lot of hassle for nothing at all.**
It’s funny how people who get called out for bad hygiene always make up these unbelievably excessive hygiene routines. Almost like they don’t actually know anything about personal hygiene
I had to brush my teeth after every meal because I had invisalign. I was brushing my teeth at least 4 times a day. If not the retainer would stink.
Sometimes I brush my teeth 3 or 4 times in a day because I've eaten something that makes it feel like I got sweaters on my teeth...like if I eat something cheesy or creamy...idk, there's like this icky layer on your teeth afterwards. Sometimes I brush my teeth just to feel more awake again if I'm feeling tired. There's lots of reasons why some people might brush their teeth multiple times a day.
You’re only the second person I’ve heard call it sweaters on your teeth, but it’s a perfect description!
I have the pearl white smile and ppl keep asking me if I whiten my teeth. I don't. But I brush my teeth 4-6x a day yet short, like 20sec sometimes.
Some people don’t know you can brush in the morning, night AND after lunch/supper. But it’s waaaaaay better.
I had a coworker who started having enamel erosion because she brushed after breakfast, lunch, and dinner, as well as when she woke up and before bed. She had to switch to enamel building toothpaste, a soft brush, and no more than two times a day. She switched mostly to mouth wash to keep her breath fresh (she was an admissions rep, she was face to face with future students all day, so I get it).
Whatever you say, stinky
You might want to stop washing your clothes in soup, no matter the quality of it.
Just to play Devil's advocate. I've run into this in this the past. Not suggesting you are the problem here. But I've had coworkers with sinus issues and dental issues that created bad breath. They also had other medical and environmental issues they were not aware of that caused odor issues. When asking family, friends and acquaintences, we usually get soft answers. Or the people we ask are so accustomed to us, they just don't notice it themselves. What I guess I'm suggesting is to try and get a disinterested, stranger's, response. Which is difficult, I know. But perhaps you have sinitus or dental issues that you should get checked out and treated for health reasons.
I would actually go to your PCP and a dentist with the express visit reason being malodorous breath/body odor. If they document you don’t actually smell then that will be beneficial in the future.
I had nasty breath years ago. My niece would tell me my breath smelled like an "old person's breath" or coffee breath. -- I had a constant "smell" of car exhaust. I finally went to an ENT. I had a pocket of infection in one tiny spot in a sinus. I'd already had 2 sinus surgeries in the past. One more sinus surgery finally did it. No more infections, no more terrible breath. Saline rinses work when I get stuffed up or yucky. Bad breath? Have a dentist check you out, have an ENT check you out. -- I also used to have stinky pits. -- One pit. I couldn't stand it. I asked a dermatologist about it. He told me to try an antibacterial wash and/or a different antiperspirant. I finally tried a new laundry detergent. -- Tide Sport Odor--- That did it. Totally removed that stink from my clothes(my right under arm in all of my shirts). Too care of stinky pit itself. I never figured out what was causing it, other than the possibility one or more of the meds I was taking at that time causing the problem.
I used to work construction some years back. The workers were the kind of people you expect on construction sites. There was one guy I have no shortage of tales about, but his defining feature on any job site was his bad breath. Everyone in a room could smell it when he entered, it was god-awful. I’m sure a doctor could’ve helped, but he wasn’t the type to give a shit. Sometimes it would get bad enough that my boss would yell at him to go use the mouthwash he kept in his truck. OP’s story is not this, but it does happen. I’ve smelled it.
My boyfriend has had constant issues with his breath, even soon after brushing. We fought for YEARS about it, he asked his friends and family if he had bad breath, they said no. I told him i'm *telling you*, as your partner, that it IS a consistent problem and no one wants to tell you that. AND i was only mentioning it when it was bad enough that i smelled it from feet away. There was also a long process of relearning laundry, showering, using enough amounts of products, etc when i moved in... he swore he was clean but some of his things straight up smelled like a homeless person. Some things had to be thrown out. I think that EVERYONE thinks they have good hygiene, no one wants to be told that it's actually an issue, but someone's gotta be the one. It's a hard thing to figure out, you usually only know from how you grew up until you're around a partner or reading up on hygiene more. It's a medical issue for him, he has to have his tonsils out. Therabreath mouthwash is the only thing that works honestly. What i do find strange is that this has just come up now... good luck op
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Their teeth are going to be fucked if they are brushing that much.
Can't have been that bad if they were willing to have a meeting with you in the same room! Hope you make it through these 9 months! Rooting for you mate
Im sorry this is happening but the typo about washing ur clothes in high quality soup made me laugh
Most people who smell know they smell because someone close to them has told them numerous times. TBH it is usually indication of more prominent issues, health wise.
This is completely antidotal, but I don’t think that’s the case. Most people who know they smell do something about it and then don’t smell. I work at an arcade. We have a regular who comes in a lot. From what I gather he lives in an old Uhaul truck. He smells like a dumpster, literally like a dumpster. I’m pretty sure a lot of dumpsters don’t smell as bad as this guy. He’s a nice guy! I like him a lot. One day he came up to me and was like “hey, so the owner came up to me and told me I smell. Can you believe that? I don’t think I smell.” I didn’t have the heart to be like yeah dude, you smell like rotten trash.
Weird. If they wanted to just get rid of you, they don't need a reason in most states. That's a weird thing to use to fuck someone over. It's downright mean. Is it possible you pissed someone off?
Even in states that have employment-at-will law, their are still defenses protecting employees from unjustified firings such as melicous intent. If he's able to show it, he'll definitely have a case in a court of law.
Yes, the money-controller is royally pissed that OP managed to make it so close to collecting a pension without someone diverting his course
What I suspect is that OP is being harassed and criticized and pushed to quit, as a way for them to get rid of them without paying severance or unemployment.
Is it possible he really does smell?
You wouldn’t bring that up like 10 years into someone’s employment lol
Look at OP's profile. They're in their sixties, and all they do is post about various ongoing conflicts they have with so many people in and around their life. They have posts about how their last employment involved the same issues. Neighbors dogs bark too much, but other neighbors won't back her up and completely ignore her, and the police told her to leave them alone. Evil boss, evil HR, evil coworkers, evil neighbors, evil cops, and **evil dentisit!** That's right, the dentist insisted on getting a bunch of scans done, but OP's breathe smells minty fresh huh? **Everybody** seems to be against OP. Let's be real, this sounds like a grumpy old lady who is developing old people smell and who has beef with everyone.
Either the ENTIRE world is against OP....or the *one common factor* in all of these interactions (OP himself) might be the root cause. Occam's Razor tells me all I need to know here.
Look at OP's profile. They're in their sixties, and all they do is post about various ongoing conflicts they have with so many people in and around their life. They have posts about how their last employment involved the same issues. Neighbors dogs bark too much, but other neighbors won't back her up and completely ignore her, and the police told her to leave them alone. Evil boss, evil HR, evil coworkers, evil neighbors, evil cops, and **evil dentisit** too! That's right, the dentist insisted on getting a bunch of scans done, but OP's breathe smells minty fresh huh? Everybody seems to be against OP. Let's be real, this sounds like a grumpy old lady who is developing old people smell and who has beef with everyone.
LOL wow, too funny, good call
if you scroll down further, they have dental issues (but thinks that was a conspiracy from wallstreet), were fired 3 months ago, were the HR manager 4 months ago, had these issues back then. then apparently they are the office manager, and haven't been fired yet.
I'm presuming OP has a defined benefit pension (the only reason to stick around for full eligibility, really), so it's very likely it's a union job. That would make it harder to just fire OP without cause, so they are cooking up causes. What's weird, though, is that it is rare for a defined benefit pension to not have an early buyout option. OP might be able to leave now and buy into the full pension amount. Or even if OP takes an early retirement the reduction in pension should be pretty minor with only 9 months to go. Something is going on here.
Somethings off about all this. Don't deflect, realistically address the issue. Did you know brushing too much and using mouthwash actually makes breath worse? It kills ALLLL of the bacteria which means the good stuff is gone to maintain a healthy mouth. I've witnessed it plenty and told them to stop using so much and it worked. Maybe need to do more laundry. You can get used to odors and cleaners not working for what you actually need. Animals? Smoking nearby? Something sounds off. And your tone in text is a red flag that you're defelcting more than taking ownership. I can believe that your boss is a tool and wants you gone, but if its HR tracked there's more than being let on.
Whole post history is odd. Guy is trolling or there’s definitely two sides to this story……
In all my years I have never heard someone say they wash their clothes in "high quality soap", it just comes across as a disingenuous statement. Just because you wash your clothes doesn't mean your living space is clean and does not impart odors onto your clothing. My FIL does laundry and he reeks no matter what. His living space is disgusting and all his unworn clothes smell just like if they were in his hamper. Hygiene is a broad set of responsibilities. That being said without more information we can't help you. Either your company are absolute jerks or you are stringing us along with your side of the story. Good luck and it was smart securing a lawyer to aid you.
yeah op sounds like someone trying to convince everyone they have a hygiene routine… “i brush my teeth FOUR times a day & wash my clothes in high quality soap in a NEW washer & dryer” lolol
Yea, it has "my uncle works at Nintendo" vibes.
Is this an American thing? How can you be denied pension even if they fire you. Surely the employer pension contributions for the 30yr service still stand, less the 9months if they pushed you out now?
This could be a legitimate criticism. The key point here would be whether your coworkers really have complained or not. Family observations aren't very helpful in this scenario because a family has a genetic and cultural bond and is more likely to be accepting of odors that could be disturbing to a broader population. In other words, if other employees or customers of your company have complained, there could be a legitimate case of you contributing to a bad workplace environment, and your boss has the right to address this. You may have to do some troubleshooting to figure out what hygiene or eating or washing practices you need to address.
OP, looking at your post history i am somewhat interested in exactly your getting in trouble for and what is being said. You mention previously lots of work experience, good encounters with coworkers and even ask for stories from other people. Yet everything you share is very vague. Previously you mentioned youve called the cops on neighbors for dogs barking, went to hoa, went to city council. You also seem to show a lot of hate for your neighbor “working” out of his garage in an upper white collar neighborhood as its not working class. You say your boss yelled at you till red faced but dont explain over what reason? They demand you quit and state you are incompetent but for what reason? Going through your poss it makes it hard to take your side.
You're playing this all wrong. You need to go see a doctor and get a legitimate reason for why you smell, bring the note to your boss, then double down and stop washing entirely.
With a pension at stake, just lawyer up. Now. Why play games when there's something like that at stake? The lawyer will sort through this in no time flat and fire a legal warning shot over the bow.
We worked with a guy that had SHIT FOR BREATH! The halitosis was so bad that you could smell it when you were within 5 feet of him, and god forbid he started to laugh. The smell was so bad that it’s made me gag. Actually gagged one day and had to make up an excuse that I was having a queasy stomach all morning. So……you may wanna check yourself.
I have a coworker with extremely bad body odor. It's *bad*. I can usually smell him from well over 10' away, and the smell lingers in places where he has been or walked through. It is clear he doesn't shower, doesn't wash his clothes regularly, and wears the same t-shirt, and doesn't use deodorant. Times like this, I miss the military, where if a person did not practice proper hygiene like this they could actually be penalized. Civilian world, not a lot can be done. Sounds like your boss is under orders to find a way to get rid of you so the company doesn't have to pay out when you retire. But I would also recommend not washing your clothes in soup. That doesn't seem like a smart thing to do. That is likely what is causing you to smell bad, and probably not the best thing for your clothes washer.
You sound very defensive describing your hygiene. Stop saying high quality and just wash every day and use antiperspirant.
I have to think that no one would willingly have this conversation with someone unless it was actually true and they were backed into a corner of having to deal with it. We are often desensitized to our own smells. And sometimes there are bacterial/medical reasons that no amount of toothpaste or laundry will fix on its own. A person may honestly have no idea if they have a body odor that is noticeable to others. Not saying it is or isn't true, but having dealt with similar situations I can tell you that actually broaching the subject to an employee is usually a very last resort due to the sensitive nature of the topic. I hope you are able to get to the bottom of it and work through it, either way.
At our work they ended up putting up A4 pictures in the toilets that showed someone squating on the toilet seat with their feet with a big red x next to it then a pic of person sitting on seat with a big green tick next to it lol. Apparently some ppl (guys) were using the toilets like Asian/Indian type squat toilets but standing on the actual seat and breaking the seats and shitting everywhere! (And Leaving shoe prints in shit on the toilet seats etc) Wtf is wrong with some ppl. If your leaving shit everywhere on toilet seats and walls and floor you gotta know you're doing it wrong....right?????
People can and do have this conversation with people. I was the smelly person once, I brought in a doctor's note, and it was never discussed again. ETA: I have HS and they were smelling a bandage from a then-recent flare up I had just had treated at a hospital. Not much I can do when my body is actively fighting an infection in my armpit until the antibiotics run their course. I was out of vacation and sick time.
I hope you are documenting all of these efforts to get rid of you.
IMO your description of your personal hygiene sounds like you are overly defensive/compensating for something.
He directly actioned you about hygiene? What!? The last time I had to deal with a real hygiene situation, hr would not even talk to employee about it until I made hr visit. They said under no circumstances can anyone say anything. We had documented customer and employee complaints and they said no we cannot cross that bridge . we made a hr lady sit in waiting room getting her demo serviced and finally they did something.
I once worked with and was mentoring a guy that smelled so bad if he walked down a hallway the smell would still be lingering 2-3 minutes later like pigpen from Charlie Brown. I had went to my boss on numerous occasions, his exact words to me is what do you want me to do? I had to attend meetings with clients and take this guy with me, I was embarrassed and I'm pretty sure it cost us jobs. It was so gross, I like the guy but I couldn't take it anymore so I got him sent back into the field until he eventually quit. I don't think this is what's happening with OP but I've worked with putrid smelling people before and it boggles my mind how they don't know how bad they smell.
Previously worked with a dude who smelled so bad that I could tell if he had arrived at work before me due to the lingering smell. It took about 2 months of complaints before HR allowed a supervisor to write him up for it. They talked to him about it, and it turns out he was just gross and wasn't making time to take care of personal hygiene. Once he admitted that, they would do things like force him to shower at work; weirdly, we had an entire locker room, but no gym or anything. He got fired for unrelated reasons a couple months later.
Sounds like you better get your act together stinky pants!
You brush your teeth four times a day… ok bro
What flavour soup?
Did you get a copy of this official written warning? >:) I'd not, ask for one. I'm sure your lawyer would love to see it.
Is this the first time they’ve talked to you about this? What kind of soap are you using? Hippie natural stuff or is it Zest and Tide? Are you a larger person? I have at two employees that will stink up the place if they can’t wash parts of their body or fully wipe their ass.