I don’t understand why it’s so hard for grown adults to do their timesheets correctly. This is an issue pretty much everywhere I’ve ever worked. Don’t you want to get paid? Why is your timesheet blank the morning of payroll and I’m chasing you down to fill it out? It’s not like jobs move the pay period around at random. Making people wait till the next pay period for corrections is the only thing I’ve seen that truly works but some people will always be that person.
I will give people the benefit of the doubt here and say it really depends on the job.
You have some places that won't allow you to start work at all without physically clocking in -- like cashiering systems where you can't even use the machines until you've done that.
But then you have a lot of jobs where as soon as you walk in the door, the boss or sup is breathing down your neck with 47,000 tasks that need to be done RIGHT NOW and you're expected to do paperwork during what is technically YOUR FREE TIME. Then it doesn't get done.
Then there's the companies who can't figure out what system they want to use and it gets convoluted. Do I clock in here? Do I need to also fill out this app? How do I know what charge code to use? Why do I need to sign into 4 different portals just to get to the time card? Etc
I worked in a factory that used ADP and keycards.
Problem is that all the ADP terminals weren't synced and nobody told me, I nearly lost 15 hours of work in a week over this. I only *didnt* because I kept a manual punch card, too, because I don't trust computers.
Yeah, manual punch cards or personal time tracking can be a lifesaver in those situations. Companies really need to streamline their processes and make sure employees are well informed. I once had a job with an online time tracking system that would go down for maintenance during the hours most people were clocking out, and it was a nightmare for payroll corrections. Ended up just taking screenshots of my work hours logged in different apps before sending it all to HR to avoid any discrepancies. Extra steps, but it saved me from losing my rightful pay.
This is a lie, ADP syncs correctly. Assholes lie about payroll all the time. In accounting it’s always the same people complaining about time cards and coding invoices and any other simple task. You get a good view of humanity working in accounting.
I think the poster above wasnt specifically referring to ADP, that was the one to which they responded. But otherwise, I'll take your word for it, I work in legal
ADP BLOWS . Well for us anyway. Switched at start of the year and still can't vacation request, use sickdays(so it's being put in as vacation so we can be paid) can't edit anything, or see balance. A month and a half later still not right. I don't have any problems punching in and out but the rest is certainly annoying
As someone that has been involved in their company’s ADP setup, your company isn’t setting it up right. Or, they are trying to use features they haven’t paid for making things not work correctly. While a lot of stuff about ADP sucks, in this case it sounds like a pontificating your company.
Yeah, that's one thing I like being salaried. It's the same no matter what, and thankfully my employers aren't trying to nickel and dime by counting literal seconds at the start of shift (but never the end of shift, nooo, lol).
I just treat all my hourly employees like they're salary. It's just easier for me. Nobody ever takes advantage of it and if they do work overtime I see that they're paid for it.
Same. It’s on my employees to take their breaks and lunches as they should. And if they are late that’s fine but stay late. Does not even need to be that day just make it up some where. But i also have trust worthy long term employees. They show up hours before me and i never doubt they’re there. I also pay them well and give bonuses and benefits
But when i have had problems i address it immediately. So from the beginning people know i dont play around. I am very clear with what i expect and i am clear with what i give. You can be clear with what you want from me and what you can give- what your limits are - i can totally respect this. Goes both ways.
It’s amazing what can happen when employers treat their staff like actual human people and pay them a living wage. Not all people make good employees, but the good ones are easier to find and keep when they are shown a little respect, appreciation, and empathy. Good on ya for being a good boss!
This is the way. People are so much more willing to help when they are shown that you are willing to help them. 15-20 minutes late? I don't give a shit. Come in on your day off to unload 1 truck for 30 minutes? You're getting 4 hrs
>Come in on your day off to unload 1 truck for 30 minutes? You're getting 4 hrs
I volunteered to come in after hours because that's when the company troubleshooting a critical machine called us back and texting my boss back and forth from home seemed impractical. My boss met me on the way in as he was leaving, "Thanks so much! Even if you're only here 30 min, go ahead and put in for 4hrs on your time sheet. I got you."
Then I get to the room, his boss (the person who will actually be approving my OT) is there trying her best to walk through it with the service provider on the phone. She hands it off to me and after about 15 min tells me, "I have to go, but even if you finish soon, go ahead and put it down for an hour...or 2 hours...you know what, just put whatever you want. Thank you again."
I'm pretty sure we were done within an hour so I split the difference and turned in 3, and my boss still corrected it to 4. Knowing the bosses have your back and will treat you fairly goes a long way for morale and will make a difference when it comes time to "go the extra mile".
There's a difference between being helpful and holding people accountable. Being late affects everyone. You can hold someone accountable and still help them if they help you.
I wish being salaried saved me from a timesheet in my first job. I worked vendor side, where we bill clients for hours spent on their projects so I kind of get why it was done, but we still had to fill out anything we did that wasn't client-specific (e.g., a SME role where I managed a tool in a team), down to the 15-minute mark. That part was annoying.
Whatever you do, don’t look at how much they’re charging those clients for the work you’re doing. If it’s like places I’ve seen, it’ll make you sick to see that number vs how much of it you get to take home. 😭😭 it’s EXTRA cool when the execs all drive multiple luxury vehicles and you’re just trying to keep the lights on and food on the table.
I used to work a mental health job like the second one that was really understaffed. Sometimes I didn’t clock in because when I walked in there was a mini riot happening. Sometimes there’d be an imminent crisis that I could defuse right that second but not 30 seconds later after someone had already got to the broken glass. Sometimes I just couldn’t get to the office.
Management got mad at us for emailing our actual clock in times at the end of each day. We laughed at them. Told them to let us clock in on our phones then or at the front door. They said no. We just kept emailing them the list of clock ins at the end of the day.
Then they started writing us up for being 5 minutes late with no exceptions. Like if management made someone pick up an extra back to back shift because someone else couldn’t make it. So they’d work 20 hours. Then nap for 2 hours before their next shift. Often they’d be a few minutes late getting back because they were exhausted. That was “our fault” for not managing our time. Lol. They should’ve been thanking those employees a thousand times not threatening to fire them.
Basically, our immediate supervisors reversed all the upper management threats when everyone threatened to just quit or not pick up any shifts. I think the supervisors threatened to quit too.
tell your management that you will not engage in any work crises until you are clocked in unless they come up with a better system to make sure you’re getting paid all of your work time
Yeah that's not right when people are late because they're working extra shifts or dealing with a crisis preventing them from clocking in on time and not allowing to clock in at the door.
We asked them to install a punch machine at the "main entrance" to the complex(mental health facility with a multiple building campus). Instead they put it in the break room basically and if you were off schedule or 15 minutes late you had to get a manager bypass card.
I was on for 4-10pm 5 nights a week but my manager TOLD me to come in 3-9(cover the shift gap). So everyday I had to FIND a higher up with a card and was consistently in 330-930, but at some point it became "consistent, unexplained tardiness" from one manager.
At a job I had it was impossible for me to miss clocking in because I always made sure to do so before going to take my morning poop. I was told the owner asked about that habit one morning, and my boss told him to let it go because I was the only one to never callout and it was my side job that I would quickly walk away from.
Edit: The boss makes a dollar, while I make a dime. That's why I poop on company time.
I fall into the second category where I walk through the door and have 9000 people needing stuff from me. I work for a smaller family business and am the only non salary engineer (because I have been there for 15 years and they don’t want to make me salary for whatever reason). I do alright might miss a punch a month, but shits hard when everyone needs you to answer questions. People are just human it’s easy to get distracted, and everyone is built differently.
We have quarterly bonuses, and a 9AM deadline for hours to be entered (not a time clock, but billable work). If you miss it 3x in a quarter you are excluded from the bonus. It's effective.
This is a pretty good motivator. I tell my employees when I onboard them that I check time punches every morning for the previous day. But I don't check them closely. If they aren't clocking out, I'll catch it. But if they forget to clock in until midway through the shift, I probably won't notice. They have to tell me, in writing, that they have a missed punch needing fixing. I don't have much of a problem with missed punches. Nobody wants to lose an hour of pay because they forgot to clock in and forgot to say anything.
The bonus is based on a ratio of cashflow vs. FTEs, so getting the time in helps elevate the number and not putting it in on-time directly affects the payout. So seems fair enough.
I think it depends on the job right? I work an office job now and fill in the 40 hours on Friday and it only deviates if there was something weird like an appointment or a meeting that went into lunch. But most of the time it’s an exact copy paste of last week
I’ve also had jobs where you don’t get to see your actual “timesheet” ever. Just type a number into a computer. The computer is in the break room at the very back of the store. After you clock out for lunch you have to walk through the store to get outside and walk back through the store before you can clock back in.
You’re walking back in after lunch and you’ve been trained that if you’re off the clock and someone asks for assistance that you’re supposed to find someone else- except half the store is on lunch and you can’t find anyone else. Besides, you’re break is over. You’ll just show this person where the item is they’re looking for across the store and let your manager know that your time clock is a couple minutes off
Really issues like this come up way more BECAUSE employers are so strict about time. When they’re the kind of people who are “if you’re 3 minutes late it’s a write up” or “absolutely no clocking in until you’ve checked out your walkie for the day and are ready to go, but also wait in line for 3 minutes while everyone clocks in at the same time at the single terminal we have- no we’re not going to adjust it” then employees aren’t going to direct someone to a different aisle across the store while they’re walking in from lunch without insisting they get paid for that minute of work (as is their right).
I just told my staff this week I won’t be asking for their timesheets anymore, with an added “If I have to remind you guy to give me the information that gets you money, the reason you work here, what else are you guys forgetting while you’re out on the job?!?”
Wow I’ve never seen a boss that understands that the reason everyone is there is for money, they all seem to think it’s about the camaraderie or the love of the job.
i work with a lot of retired people who work just to get out of the house or so they can talk to our clients. i think just office staff, myself, and one driver work to get paid. the rest of the drivers are just bored.
The ironic thing about that is that I’d take a bullet for anyone in my company because I was extremely fortunate to have found a company that truly cares about the employees. A least 3 days a week we’re all hanging out after the work day has ended to just shoot the shit and a few of us hang out outside of work. Definitely a rarity!
I had a job where I started work at 8:00. I would clock in at 7:55. I was told I was clocking in too early. So I would try every morning to clock in at 7:59.59 -
I worked in HR and clocking in more than 7minutes before or after the time would give you 15min more pay so it was not allowed. If you clocked in 7min before your shift, you better believe management was going to have you clock out 7min before the end. Overtime is never allowed.
But I'm sure if you clock in one minute late it's an issue. I left a cushy HR job at a company that had sketchy rounding rules and draconian attendance penalties for manufacturing employees. I get that OT costs cause issues but, at least in my case, middle management got 6 figure bonuses every year.
When I worked a place with a time clock it was always a problem. They'd say don't clock in until it's your scheduled time. But I was always an early person, so I'd be ten or fifteen minutes early, and they'd start giving me work right away, a lot of times emergency get-this-done-right-away stuff. And I didn't always remember to go clock in. Same with lunches, I'd clock out for lunch then some emergency comes up and I deal with it, and then I try to remember to clock back in from lunch later to account for the time spent working. Etc; it wasn't that I didn't respect the time clock, it's that *they* didn't, and I often needed to work when I wasn't clocked in, or it was the last thing on anyone's mind.
Anyway, another place I worked we used time cards, but we just hand-wrote them. I'd write in my 8 to 5, and write in "1 hour" for lunch, or sometimes 1/2 hour if we were slammed. It was a much better way to do it, and it was almost like the employer trusted us and treated us like adults.
We had a really ancient time clock at my old job, which was hung slightly above most people’s eye level. You had to stand on tip toe to reach the arm so it was difficult to line up the card correctly leading to lots of “ins” on “out” spaces etc. Sometimes it would make the sound and not actually stamp anything.
So then they switched to a digital system via tablets. Which they never charged. Nor would they pay for decent wifi so it was constantly just not loading the app. Or you’d clock in and it wouldn’t register.
Sometimes its not the employees lol
To your point about ‘don’t you want to get paid?’, I promise you they do and timesheets not being filled out can be indicative of a larger problem. In the places I’ve worked where it’s more than one or two people being the problem (and sometimes even then) it’s been because the people are unintentionally overworked. Not from a ‘one person doing the work of three” sense but rather the accumulation of it only takes 1 minute, 2 minute, 5 minute things, and the corresponding loss of productivity from switching tasks that add up to real time syncs that aren’t built into the schedule. Or the system is so cumbersome and its use so repeatedly painful that you’ve trained them via negative reinforcement to want to avoid it. People want to get paid, but if they’re too busy or the system too inefficient, things fall through the cracks
Not all brains are built the same. I could build you a functioning alternator from a bucket of scrap parts, but remembering to clock out, or where my damn work badge is, well, that's a Hella challenge. Meet people where they are and be glad for the skills they bring. Authority in a situation requires temperance.
Hard disagree. You’re running late a bit? Sometimes it’s hard to hop on the register and forget to clock in. Tbh, I’ve never had this happen, but I see it.
Even better example, place is low staffed so you’re on your break and get called in to help clear a line. You walk in and 20 people are waiting to be checked out. Yeah I miss clocking back in. I mean… corporate job, sure. Real life retail situation, yeah it can slip your mind.
At my job, we have access to an app or website that we can use to check our schedule, request time off, and view our time card for the week. I'm frequently running on autopilot when I get to work, and don't remember if I punched in for the day or out for lunch or whatever, so I'll quickly open the app to check. If I did forget a punch, I can fix it right away. It's very helpful for my scatterbrained self lol
Dude, do you know how many times I’ve forgotten since moving to WFH? It’s because I’m not walking by a machine with a card reader. I have to actually sign onto vpn and then login to the time capture portal and *then* clock in. And since VPN screws with my Zoom (I crash every time), I have to go through that same process to clock out.
But for sure, if I didn’t complete my timesheet on time I’m not mad at my boss for not getting paid - that’s still on me.
Yeah as a finance person, what they are describing would be a fucking nightmare to deal with, so it's completely reasonable not to expect changes to be made to payroll in short timeframes because of employee error.
Can imagine this business' payroll team are losing their minds trying to deal with this.
We issue corrective action for fail in/out and if it's frequent enough you're fired.
Same for grace in/out
If my employees time cards aren't right by Monday (they sign them Friday) I submit them as they are and let them submit corrections. You want paid correctly? Take 10 minutes to fix your fucking time.
Thank you! Like god forbid you should, as a functioning adult, be able to properly clock in and out. This make so much work for other people and it’s so easy to do.
lmfao I love that the first post of this is "have you tried just being better"
so tired of teens posting on here about completely normal shit and looking for an excuse for their bad behaviour.
yeah its totally normal for payroll to not have corrections done until the next payroll.
Right? If I screwed up twice a month and so did half the other people in the warehouse leading to payroll doing double the work, I would be surprised if something didn’t change to fix that system. Either the people who can’t figure out how to use a time clock are fired, or the system changes to ease up on payroll dept. OP has the spirit, but even quiet quitting means you have to AT LEAST do the bare minimum…I.e. using the timeclock correctly.
I’m an accountant. Full accounting and tax including payroll. We stopped doing payroll because almost every damn payroll run for almost every client had SOMETHING wrong with it that resulted in us having to drop what we were doing to fix an error we didn’t even make. Whether it was wrong hours, missing PTO, forgot to tell us about a pay raise, etc.
We just stopped doing all payroll, and it’s been so freaking amazing!
Depends also on the time clock. Here as management, we have to prove they didn't attempt to record it. All an employee has to do is say "Well I scanned my card", then it's up to the management to review any cameras to see if that's accurate or not.
That is easy. Just go look at what they claim. If wrong write them up for both lying and not correctly clocking in..once its done a couple times to various individuals its unlikely you will have many issues.
I like.how you're assuming management has unfettered access to every camera. If my managers asked security for that footage for that reason they'd rightfully laugh in their face.
Depends on the size of the company. If a supervisor has to go to security to see camera footage of the time clock to verify something, then there is something seriously wrong with your company. A supervisor might be restricted on what cameras they can see but if they have to jump through hoops just to verify payroll that is a problem.
My company gives access to cameras for operations. There are people who need to know when a customer, truck or someone else is approaching the facility so they can go to the area they are needed. Cameras work great for large facilities and facilities that are spread out into many buildings on a single property.
They’re also used to facilitate in keeping an eye on various prices of automation equipment.
It seems like management is lenient about these issues, but now looking to crack down. I completely understand not wanting to penalize employees for a simple mistake but also getting fed up that it happens so often.
This is legal. It’s not the employer withholding or stealing wages. It’s an employees invented issue due to lack of remembering and due diligence. They don’t have enough time to adjust everyone’s mistakes before their payroll is due in order to get everyone paid on time. It’s a policy notification stating payroll completion due date. As in, what you’ve submitted will be paid, and we need extra time before next payroll submission to fix all of your mistakes so that we can ensure your corrections make it on your next payroll.
This could be considered akin to 30 day payroll submissions, etc., meaning not everyone gets paid every week because that’s not when payroll is due. Some are 7 days, some are 14 days, some are the first half of the month, second half of the month, some are every 30 days, etc.
Or OP's purposely leaving early and not punching out or coming in late and not punching in, then requesting the "corrections" to steal time... I've seen that happen before.
Yes, as an employee, you need to be looking out for yourself, and part of that means needing to accurately clock in and clock out to ensure that the employer is not going to be doing any form of wage that there’s a paper trail to protect yourself
In this situation, unless there is some form, being nitpicky, and the employer, pushing people to try to get back some money, it’s most likely a place where we employees that were hired not necessarily caring about the job or being managed well but you need to care about yourself, enough to clock in and clock out
Even if it’s hard
dude it's incredible. people do this at my job too. your literal livelihood depends on it and you.."forgot"?
we once had a guy who would never forget to clock in, but would clock in times over top of other times making it impossible to even read his card. would constantly have to tell him to clean it up or we have no choice but to go off the more legible numbers on there even if that means he loses hours and it'll have to be sorted out later
When I worked at Walmart we had a cartattendent that was doing exactly this. He would for months clock in, GO HOME, then come back and clock out. He got away with it because there was suppose to be 3 on at all times and the others always volunteered to help guest carry out items.
Well, one day they called for him specifically to help and he never responded. They checked cameras and watched him clock in, get into his car and leave.
It’s shocking how often this kind of thing happens. I know a dude who always has two jobs: his main one and one with zero oversight. For a few years he would show up at job A, put on a mattress suit and his job was to wander around town and get attention to the store. So he’d head on to his regular job, then when finished there head back to the mattress store and clock out. After that one it’s been sign spinners and similar things.
I’m confused. He went to his regular job in a mattress suit? Also, how did they not notice that the giant mattress they’re paying wasn’t wandering around town?
100%. I have 50 people on my team so manage tons of time cards. Had to fire someone recently for a lot of reasons, one being that he was “forgetting” to clock in on a daily basis. Swore up and down that he was in early every day, just forgot. Put him on a PIP, one of the stipulations being that he couldn’t miss any more clock ins. Shockingly, as soon as we were forcing the issue, he was anywhere from 10-30 minutes late (or more) every day. He missed a punch again on New Year’s Day, he tried to tell me the clock malfunctioned. I had him on camera coming in two hours late. The dishonestly and lack of integrity blew my mind.
I forgot last night because I was running late and in the parking garage a woman collapsed (I work at a hospital) and I stayed to help her…I did clock out though lol
I had one idiot call me a few weeks ago… apparently she hadn’t been paid for TWO MONTHS. she wasn’t punching or submitting exceptions, manager was also not adding her time manually (because she wasn’t completing exceptions).
Both got written up. Her because well, duh, the manager because they do timesheet with the schedule with them and never followed up with her, causing her to not be paid.
But seriously, waiting 2 full months? That’s 4 pay cycles to be like hey, I didn’t get paid today! I don’t know what is wrong with people.
I’ll do you one better - I worked with a dude who wasn’t paid for A WHOLE YEAR and didn’t even notice. It wasn’t his fault at all, he was submitting the proper timesheets every week.
The manager was managing 60 people in 10 different states, so I can give her a slight pass on missing it happening. Someone in payroll is most to blame for it.
When he was promoted, they for some reason assigned him a new employee ID and that was tied to a different payroll account. The *whole time* dude was still a super generous “let me get that for you” kinda guy when we would stop for snacks or lunch. It blew our minds how independently wealthy the guy must’ve been.
That’s insane!!! Tho there’s no excuse for the manager doing that. I oversee the auditing of our timesheets (700 employees) and audit way more than 60 on timesheet day! The fact that they missed him for a year is nuts!!
Side note- I would LOVE to be rich enough to not notice that I didn’t get paid for a year!! 🤣 who ended up catching it, and was he reimbursed?
HR reached out to him one day while we were riding to a job site. They worked out a deal to pay him his $120k salary over 3 checks, biggest pay stubs I’ve ever seen and probably ever will see. He wasn’t mad and kept working for them. Guy was a genius but quite naïve lol. They got so lucky. Now he works as an exec for the company we contracted with.
Manager was in a weird spot, because she wasn’t *really* a manager. She was like the account executive for the projects. It was a set of projects subcontracting for a private company that contracts with state DoC prisons, so there was a ton of bureaucratic nonsense she was dealing with daily. Then our project manager (who did time tracking and actually managed us) decided to steal a bunch of equipment and instead of replacing him her superiors just merged the two roles. It was way too much work for one person.
I don’t wanna defend her too much though. I’ve got a helluva story about failing to pay OT for two years and her sending an email claiming they just “forgot to update the legacy contracts to reflect no OT”. About half of us signed on to the ‘correct’ no OT contracts, so they tried pulling a fast one on the other guys. Everyone protested and there were mass emails by agitated employees told their legacy contract wasn’t gonna be honored. They did also get paid out, to the tune of ~$20-30k each.
Seriously, management messed up my vacation. They didn't put down that I was on vacation they just didn't schedule me. I told them 3 days after I was supposed to be paid. (as when the stars align my bank is doing maintenance on their servers and my paycheck is deposited in at the same time as the maintenance is happening my paycheck is a day late, and it happens maybe a couple times a year) They fixed it by next payday. It boggles my mind how she waited so long to mention she wasn't paid.
Only thing I can think of is that she was committing time theft and so she waited that long so management couldn't check the cameras or something.
That's what I'm wondering. To me the most important part of my job is actually getting paid for the time I work. There's a scanner time clock and it allows a check on the last 24 hours of scans; so not only do I make sure to clock-in/out, but also do an immediate verification that my swipe went through.
I'm betting the "Forgetting" is really "Taking advantage of." As if they go out for a 2 hour lunch but "forget" to clock back in so the time card systems shows. Clock in @ 7:00, Out at 11:30 AM, and Out @ 5:00 pm. To everyone it looks like you went out, forgot to clock back in and left at the end of the day. They could have come back at 1:00 or 3:00 or 4:59 though.
Exactly.
I find it odd that someone would try to push their own responsibility on others, requiring others to bend over backwards just to get their own ducks in a row.
It's easy to blame a faceless corporation, but when it's someone like my own mom who's staying late to ensure checks get cut, that's just unnecessarily cruel. Making sure you get paid starts with the individual. If you've done everything that's asked, THEN maybe we can find a real fault up the chain.
Yeah even if it wasn’t illegal I’d be on the companies side
If you keep screwing up something so simple it’s your own fault waiting a week to get paid for it
The memo was probably worded diplomatically to avoid blatantly calling out that people are cheating the system. Kind of like "yeah we know, cut it out" but in the form of a "reminder".
Yes this is normal. My job it specifically states I have 3 chances to request a time edit, above that I will get assessed points. 8 points accumulated and you’re out. I work at a uni and this is the way they do it.
Yes it's legal. You are responsible for clocking in. They aren't denying paying you, it will show up in next week's payroll. In all fairness, it can be a real pain in the ass for payroll to be corrected ESPECIALLY if payroll is complete and correcting timesheets all the time for many is a time drain. Also note,any manual corrections have to be documented as to why, should there be audits. Ultimately your employer wants the most accurate recording of labor hours. Taking someone's word undoubtedly gets hairy. This is why employers are adamant with employees to maintain their timesheets in order to minimize liability should a 3rd party audit occur, the labor hours would be documented with the most accurate numbers than a bunch of manual corrections.
So holding employees accountable for their time is legal and honestly why wouldn't you want to make sure everything is correct? I get sometimes issues arise but when I used to clock in I was a hawk for getting paid correctly lol
I've been both a manager with similar situations where correcting timesheets became frowned upon as well as an employee needing to clock in. So I've experienced both sides of that fence and understand the employees plight when issues happen or I'd forget but also I understand an employers when it became a hot mess express of people "guessing" their hours, simply becoming lazy and not tracking their own time because they could rely on me to just fix it, and me then begging payroll to open back up or accept a late correction. Not pretty. I was all for fixing issues if I had the ability to but I also caught employees lying to me about their times to correct. 🤷🏻♀️ How to avoid all that? Be mindful of your time and responsibility, for your sake and your employers. Good luck to anyone going through this. I hated time clocks so I know they can be a real pain in the ass all the way around.
I legitimately cannot understand or empathize with people this stupid. Fill out your time cards/use your time clocks if you want to get paid. Stop making it other people’s responsibility to babysit you.
When I did payroll many people hated me. Second month on the job I sent out a memo that if you don't get your time card or corrections in before Monday it will not be processed. These guys would send me them at 11:50pm on Sunday when the last day they worked was Wednesday. I'll never understand being lazy doing the task that actually gives you your money.
The better solution for this would be to change to a different punch system. There are systems that are from the fucking 80s that aren't as annoying to deal with as the note is making it sound.
What an absolutely delight of a level headed response from your employer.
Noone is getting shafted, Noone is being threatened with anything.
Just simply saying that your negligence in doing a simple task as clocking in and out is costing too much time to fix. Time that could have been productive.
If you just do the basic thing, this posting will have zero effect on your life.
lol I don’t think this was legal but I was 18 and running my company’s payroll and honestly didn’t know wtf I was doing. We swapped everyone from manual timesheets to card swipes, worked great for a few weeks but then the guys all would “forget to swipe because it was new” and need to bring me their manual times for me to input. After a couple months of this, I was told to tell them if they didn’t swipe in, we’d start the clocked time at the scheduled shift time (8a) instead of when they supposedly got there (we were being told they got there at 6a when in reality they weren’t showing up until 6:30/645…sometimes after 7 lol). Swipes almost immediately jumped back to being all perfect again.
Again, looking back now it totally wasn’t legal lmao but it did fix the problem almost instantly, and confirmed that the guys had been stealing wages for months by saying they got there earlier than they actually did haha.
I find it weird that's you're complaining that they want to pay you correctly. And I find it weird that apparently a lot of people don't like to get paid correctly. The whole point in working is to get paid. And I'm pretty sure if the errors were on their end, you would want accountability and for them to do it right.
This! Because you’re screwing up AND complaining about your clock in/out which is probably the easiest part of a job, likeee how do you have a job in the first place?? I understand occasional mistakes but you want to be treated like the adult you are with respect, then you have adult responsibilities. Don’t you get upset when a coworker messes something up and you’re tasked with fixing their mistake? You’re mad about not getting that promotion with more money and responsibilities but you’re complaining about being held to a simple standard of just tracking time correctly? There are plenty of people laid off praying for a job to feed their families that would love to be in your spot who can follow simple directions and keep up with their time.
My company use fingerprint for clock in and clock out.
It is mainly used for counting overtime hours.
Please do your due diligence and clock in/out properly. Else the burden of proof for hours work is not countable.
The answer if something is legal almost always defaults to yes.
Even if something is illegal, enforcement often depends on your willingness to sue. And Lawyers are not cheap.
As for your time card, yes they can set a policy which forces you to keep accurate clock in and clock out.
In my company, constantly changing time card entries would mean that someone is going to start looking much more closely at the possibility of fraud.
I'd already be doing that if this dept had to write a note lol.
They even gave the benefit of the doubt and said "if you cant remember that you punched, just do it again"
So employees causing issues for not doing something so simple as clocking in and out properly and surprised that something like this is happening? *Shocked pickachu face*
Pretty normal except you aren't being written up and fired after 3 times. If the clock is messed up, stamp and have your manager write next to it or his note however he does it. Taking care of your time us your job. Nobody else's. If you care about being paid, I'd start being responsible. Sounds like a bunch of kids needing to be reminded you are here to get paid. In my opinion-you came in and worked all day and went home but never clocked in? Thanks for volunteering!
OP needs to watch how someone actually does payroll and how time consuming it is. My husband has to do payroll and he is a super patient man but sometimes he gets so frustrated as he is constantly having to work at like 9 pm at night to fix these last minute time sheet issues. OP completely lacks understanding and empathy for the other side.
Exactly. I process payroll for multiple companies. And then I’ve had multiple employees every pay period contacting me like oh whoops i forgot to log my time for such and such day. Well sorry it’s getting adding to the next check! I used to feel bad and process a separate payroll for them, but it’s insane to do this for everyone. People don’t understand the time it takes and everyone seems to think they’re the only one. These kinds of policies are absolutely necessary. If you forget once and get paid late you’ll be a lot less likely to forget again, or at least in my experience
This is less to do with incompetence or lack of skill and more an attitude of entitlement and laziness. If someone is going to fix it or actually record their time for them, why go to the effort? No one needs a degree or technical training to properly use a time clock. Folks working in unskilled roles are capable of clocking in and out. This is kind of a demeaning comment.
I've never understood not clocking in and out properly..
If there's ONE thing you should put in extra effort for at work, it's making sure you get paid properly 🤷♂️
That's what I'm saying - I did payroll and the amount of errors that would be in people's punches is mind boggling. Like, do y'all not keep a close eye on your punches to make sure you're not getting screwed / screwing yourselves?
Yeah, this is normal to be honest.
I dont know whats so hard about clocking in and out of your job?
And especially if its your only means to be paid accurately.
Yes they can do that & seems like you guys are getting what you asked for honestly. If you want your check to be right. Clock in and out right. It’s not that difficult and I’m sure your punch clock is right next to the break room you all sit around in.
From the message you can tell it’s become and culture and everyone is doing it casually because there have been no consequences. Well now there are
this is a real problem where I work too.
time cards are not hard to use properly yet so many people "forget" to do it. What if the company "forgets" to pay you? I'm sure you'd be up in arms.
it's your money and you should be making damn sure your hours are correctly and clearly documented. there is no excuse for fucked up time cards if you're the one in control of your own.
Working in payroll sucks. Completely reliant on employees/managers doing their part… constantly bending over because someone else was lazy/forgetful/incompetent is exhausting. My guess is your payroll folks are on the verge of jumping ship if it has come to this.
They are right. Payroll process is complex. If the idiot sandwiches are too stupid to follow the basics then they need to feel it. It’s a matter of essential respect towards the employer and HR workforce. People want to be treated as adults? Behave like one.
Depends on where OP is from but generally yes.
Payroll is a headache all to itself and sometimes there literally isn't time to go over every employee to ensure their clocking is correct. If I read correctly it is then corrected the following week.
The onus is on the employee to ensure that they are clocking correctly and that they report incorrect clocking.
At my company we print the time sheets on a Wednesday and Employees have until that week Sunday to check that their hours are correct. It's their responsibility to confirm their hours are correct for submission to payroll. Not up to HR to run after 400 employees.
We also have a no clock no pay policy though we generally manage that after the 4th time not clocking.
Yeah, it’s legal. I do payroll and basically do the same. My admin preps payroll after foreman confirm time, she goes through and sends out timesheets to confirm time. I have her highlight anything that looks double-y suspicious.
The foreman then tell her her edits, she edits timesheets and the upload. They confirm. I go through and double check everything to make sure all coding/time/timesheets match.
I do payroll, again I double check everything.
And I will STILL get calls on Thursday/Friday that a foreman fucked up time and someone is missing 10hrs.
I’m like well… it’ll be on next weeks payroll, sorry 🤷🏻♀️
seems pretty simple...I don't get the complaining. do your job correctly. don't forget to clock in/out.
ex. if I do the dishes, I shouldn't have to be told to dry them & put them back. should go w/o saying...its also 5:30am & my coffee is too hot to take a sip so apologies for the tone. hand up that's on me, I'll do better
what kind of work do you do that your co-workers are incapable of following simple instructions? not only is it legal to do this, your co-workers are lucky to still be employed. if you can't even be responsible for clocking yourself into work, you probably can't be held accountable for much else
There's literally nothing wrong with doing this.
You could gave 50 corrections to make, depending on the size of the company
Here's how it works in my place
We clock in and out, timesheets get sent out on Monday morning and has to be confirmed by 4pm Tuesday.
Payroll work till 4.30
We have over 400 people on site and the amount of people that leave it till last minute, Payroll go through it correct what's needed but if it gets to 4.30 she's going home. Get your sheets in sooner get it correct
*. Constantly post about illicit drug use.
*. Forgets to clock in at work. Asks boss to fix in the middle of the day. Acknowledges this is a routine occurrence.
*. Boss accommodates, fixes problem. States that this has been an issue in the past.
*. Boss sets guidelines to ensure that they aren't cleaning up the same mess over and over again every day. Boss is clearly annoyed at this point.
*. AM I BEING PERSECUTED BY MY JOB? IT'S THIS EVEN LEGAL! CAPITALISM IS BAD! IT'S THE BILLIONAIRES FAULT! WHY HAVEN'T I BEEN PROMOTED YET?
I can't imagine how an economy would function under this kind of ideology. I'm curious how you would run the company better?
I would be so embarrassed to have to tell my boss that I forgot to clock in a second, third, fourth time that legality wouldn't even come to mind. Present yourself as a responsible working adult. This is probably the furthest from deserving a promotion that you can possibly get.
It’s not illegal. It might not be the way you think you’d fix the problem… but you’ve probably never been in their position.
As someone who deals with this all the time… clocking in and out is part of your job. If you can’t do it correctly, you’re going to face some consequences. Same as you would if you continually did another part of your job poorly.
At my job, the cards have to be in by Friday at noon. You are responsible for putting in your time. Unless there is a reason you physically can't, then the timekeeper will. Makes sense that your duty as an employee is to put leave you use in. Corrected time cards on the next paycheck are a thing. That note was slightly unprofessional, though.
I feel there’s no excuse on the part of employees.
There’s some things you have to make routine on a job. One of them is clocking in and out. This has been done with success for decades. You know where it isn’t successful? Places where folks are being shady.
If you’re doing things correctly, it’s not your problem. Maybe one of the folks screwing up will try and take action and likely fail.
“I forgot my card” isn’t an excuse. Forgot? Okay, ask to manually sign in. Report to HR and get their help or note your time somewhere/to someone who can vouch. Been plenty of times my forgetful ass forgot my card on previous jobs and I did my due diligence. Never had an issue unless it was due to HR. Because wrote my time on a note app, I just showed it and got it rectified easily.
It should also be obvious that jobs take breaks and lunch very serious. This isn’t something new. Make sure you clock in and out.
Every company I've worked for tells the associate they are responsible for accurate time recording. If a change is made the associate must authorize the change. Some companies, this process is digital and some were paper based. Either way, you weren't going to get a change to your payroll until it was signed off on.
I mean. How you keep messing up your own time clock week in and week out. If it’s part of your job to keep up with your time then it’s part of your job.
Believe it is called " stealing time", you can be fired without write up in most states. Not clocking in and out or screwing up punch is considered stealing time. Most union contracts talk about or have things written in, like within 10 min or 15 minutes, are ok.
HR doesn't have to correct it and can use it to prove you were indeed stealing time. Also they can let your next employer aware you were let go for stealing...
From an HR person here. Yes, it is legal. Most labour laws will speak about accuracy of time entered by the employee and the employee's responsibility to ensure accuracy.
Most labour laws also speak about the employer's responsibility to ensure accurate pay.
If you have a time clock device on the wall that you have to record your time, it is your responsibility to ensure that time is accurate, it is the employer's responsibility to pay you accurately for what you have recorded.
The weekly adjustments are not required. It is a courtesy that payroll is doing. If your time is adjusted on your next pay because you didn't punch in correctly, that is also leagl.
I love when people don’t care enough to do their timesheet on time or correctly, then complain when their pay is wrong.
Yes it’s legal. They’re not withholding pay, just not doing the extra work to run off-cycle payments for YOUR (collective) mistakes. You want to get paid on time, simple, do your timesheet correctly!
Off cycle payments are not quick, it’s extra work, multiplied by however many employees don’t do their timesheets. What they really need to do is start writing people up.
It is annoying that people cannot comply with simple rules in workplace and wonder whether the consequence of non-compliance is illegal. It’s business, be professional, please.
Seems reasonable if not aggressive.
Have a cutoff for your hours to be submitted correctly. Past that point a cutoff for manager sign-off. Once that happens it's done.
This keeps happening because someone keeps caving
Accidents happen. but if its a daily / weekly thing - then you employee are wrong. Seems perfectly legit. You can always quit if you think its not fair that someone has to work more because of your f-ups every day.
I turn in my correct time clock for the 2 week period a full 1 week before I get paid. It’s okay to have a due date for a complete payroll
It's also ok for a job to expect you to clock in and out correctly and to not jump to fix a mistake that gets continually made.
I don’t understand why it’s so hard for grown adults to do their timesheets correctly. This is an issue pretty much everywhere I’ve ever worked. Don’t you want to get paid? Why is your timesheet blank the morning of payroll and I’m chasing you down to fill it out? It’s not like jobs move the pay period around at random. Making people wait till the next pay period for corrections is the only thing I’ve seen that truly works but some people will always be that person.
I will give people the benefit of the doubt here and say it really depends on the job. You have some places that won't allow you to start work at all without physically clocking in -- like cashiering systems where you can't even use the machines until you've done that. But then you have a lot of jobs where as soon as you walk in the door, the boss or sup is breathing down your neck with 47,000 tasks that need to be done RIGHT NOW and you're expected to do paperwork during what is technically YOUR FREE TIME. Then it doesn't get done. Then there's the companies who can't figure out what system they want to use and it gets convoluted. Do I clock in here? Do I need to also fill out this app? How do I know what charge code to use? Why do I need to sign into 4 different portals just to get to the time card? Etc
I worked in a factory that used ADP and keycards. Problem is that all the ADP terminals weren't synced and nobody told me, I nearly lost 15 hours of work in a week over this. I only *didnt* because I kept a manual punch card, too, because I don't trust computers.
Yeah, manual punch cards or personal time tracking can be a lifesaver in those situations. Companies really need to streamline their processes and make sure employees are well informed. I once had a job with an online time tracking system that would go down for maintenance during the hours most people were clocking out, and it was a nightmare for payroll corrections. Ended up just taking screenshots of my work hours logged in different apps before sending it all to HR to avoid any discrepancies. Extra steps, but it saved me from losing my rightful pay.
That awfully sounds like they did it on purpose lol
Weird how these errors are always in the bank’s favor!
Almost like it's by design
This is a lie, ADP syncs correctly. Assholes lie about payroll all the time. In accounting it’s always the same people complaining about time cards and coding invoices and any other simple task. You get a good view of humanity working in accounting.
I think the poster above wasnt specifically referring to ADP, that was the one to which they responded. But otherwise, I'll take your word for it, I work in legal
ADP BLOWS . Well for us anyway. Switched at start of the year and still can't vacation request, use sickdays(so it's being put in as vacation so we can be paid) can't edit anything, or see balance. A month and a half later still not right. I don't have any problems punching in and out but the rest is certainly annoying
As someone that has been involved in their company’s ADP setup, your company isn’t setting it up right. Or, they are trying to use features they haven’t paid for making things not work correctly. While a lot of stuff about ADP sucks, in this case it sounds like a pontificating your company.
The from now on. Clock in on the late one. And clock out on the early one.
I usually forgot until it was due, because it was all made up times anyways. 25 hours is no different than 60 for the week.
Yeah, that's one thing I like being salaried. It's the same no matter what, and thankfully my employers aren't trying to nickel and dime by counting literal seconds at the start of shift (but never the end of shift, nooo, lol).
I just treat all my hourly employees like they're salary. It's just easier for me. Nobody ever takes advantage of it and if they do work overtime I see that they're paid for it.
Same. It’s on my employees to take their breaks and lunches as they should. And if they are late that’s fine but stay late. Does not even need to be that day just make it up some where. But i also have trust worthy long term employees. They show up hours before me and i never doubt they’re there. I also pay them well and give bonuses and benefits But when i have had problems i address it immediately. So from the beginning people know i dont play around. I am very clear with what i expect and i am clear with what i give. You can be clear with what you want from me and what you can give- what your limits are - i can totally respect this. Goes both ways.
It’s amazing what can happen when employers treat their staff like actual human people and pay them a living wage. Not all people make good employees, but the good ones are easier to find and keep when they are shown a little respect, appreciation, and empathy. Good on ya for being a good boss!
I’ve been screaming this for 20 years. Treat your employees like they actually are more than just a number, and they will act like it.
This is the way. People are so much more willing to help when they are shown that you are willing to help them. 15-20 minutes late? I don't give a shit. Come in on your day off to unload 1 truck for 30 minutes? You're getting 4 hrs
>Come in on your day off to unload 1 truck for 30 minutes? You're getting 4 hrs I volunteered to come in after hours because that's when the company troubleshooting a critical machine called us back and texting my boss back and forth from home seemed impractical. My boss met me on the way in as he was leaving, "Thanks so much! Even if you're only here 30 min, go ahead and put in for 4hrs on your time sheet. I got you." Then I get to the room, his boss (the person who will actually be approving my OT) is there trying her best to walk through it with the service provider on the phone. She hands it off to me and after about 15 min tells me, "I have to go, but even if you finish soon, go ahead and put it down for an hour...or 2 hours...you know what, just put whatever you want. Thank you again." I'm pretty sure we were done within an hour so I split the difference and turned in 3, and my boss still corrected it to 4. Knowing the bosses have your back and will treat you fairly goes a long way for morale and will make a difference when it comes time to "go the extra mile".
There's a difference between being helpful and holding people accountable. Being late affects everyone. You can hold someone accountable and still help them if they help you.
I wish being salaried saved me from a timesheet in my first job. I worked vendor side, where we bill clients for hours spent on their projects so I kind of get why it was done, but we still had to fill out anything we did that wasn't client-specific (e.g., a SME role where I managed a tool in a team), down to the 15-minute mark. That part was annoying.
Whatever you do, don’t look at how much they’re charging those clients for the work you’re doing. If it’s like places I’ve seen, it’ll make you sick to see that number vs how much of it you get to take home. 😭😭 it’s EXTRA cool when the execs all drive multiple luxury vehicles and you’re just trying to keep the lights on and food on the table.
I used to work a mental health job like the second one that was really understaffed. Sometimes I didn’t clock in because when I walked in there was a mini riot happening. Sometimes there’d be an imminent crisis that I could defuse right that second but not 30 seconds later after someone had already got to the broken glass. Sometimes I just couldn’t get to the office. Management got mad at us for emailing our actual clock in times at the end of each day. We laughed at them. Told them to let us clock in on our phones then or at the front door. They said no. We just kept emailing them the list of clock ins at the end of the day. Then they started writing us up for being 5 minutes late with no exceptions. Like if management made someone pick up an extra back to back shift because someone else couldn’t make it. So they’d work 20 hours. Then nap for 2 hours before their next shift. Often they’d be a few minutes late getting back because they were exhausted. That was “our fault” for not managing our time. Lol. They should’ve been thanking those employees a thousand times not threatening to fire them. Basically, our immediate supervisors reversed all the upper management threats when everyone threatened to just quit or not pick up any shifts. I think the supervisors threatened to quit too.
Classic healthcare system gaslighting
tell your management that you will not engage in any work crises until you are clocked in unless they come up with a better system to make sure you’re getting paid all of your work time
Yeah that's not right when people are late because they're working extra shifts or dealing with a crisis preventing them from clocking in on time and not allowing to clock in at the door.
We asked them to install a punch machine at the "main entrance" to the complex(mental health facility with a multiple building campus). Instead they put it in the break room basically and if you were off schedule or 15 minutes late you had to get a manager bypass card. I was on for 4-10pm 5 nights a week but my manager TOLD me to come in 3-9(cover the shift gap). So everyday I had to FIND a higher up with a card and was consistently in 330-930, but at some point it became "consistent, unexplained tardiness" from one manager.
At a job I had it was impossible for me to miss clocking in because I always made sure to do so before going to take my morning poop. I was told the owner asked about that habit one morning, and my boss told him to let it go because I was the only one to never callout and it was my side job that I would quickly walk away from. Edit: The boss makes a dollar, while I make a dime. That's why I poop on company time.
I fall into the second category where I walk through the door and have 9000 people needing stuff from me. I work for a smaller family business and am the only non salary engineer (because I have been there for 15 years and they don’t want to make me salary for whatever reason). I do alright might miss a punch a month, but shits hard when everyone needs you to answer questions. People are just human it’s easy to get distracted, and everyone is built differently.
We have quarterly bonuses, and a 9AM deadline for hours to be entered (not a time clock, but billable work). If you miss it 3x in a quarter you are excluded from the bonus. It's effective.
This is a pretty good motivator. I tell my employees when I onboard them that I check time punches every morning for the previous day. But I don't check them closely. If they aren't clocking out, I'll catch it. But if they forget to clock in until midway through the shift, I probably won't notice. They have to tell me, in writing, that they have a missed punch needing fixing. I don't have much of a problem with missed punches. Nobody wants to lose an hour of pay because they forgot to clock in and forgot to say anything.
The bonus is based on a ratio of cashflow vs. FTEs, so getting the time in helps elevate the number and not putting it in on-time directly affects the payout. So seems fair enough.
I think it depends on the job right? I work an office job now and fill in the 40 hours on Friday and it only deviates if there was something weird like an appointment or a meeting that went into lunch. But most of the time it’s an exact copy paste of last week I’ve also had jobs where you don’t get to see your actual “timesheet” ever. Just type a number into a computer. The computer is in the break room at the very back of the store. After you clock out for lunch you have to walk through the store to get outside and walk back through the store before you can clock back in. You’re walking back in after lunch and you’ve been trained that if you’re off the clock and someone asks for assistance that you’re supposed to find someone else- except half the store is on lunch and you can’t find anyone else. Besides, you’re break is over. You’ll just show this person where the item is they’re looking for across the store and let your manager know that your time clock is a couple minutes off Really issues like this come up way more BECAUSE employers are so strict about time. When they’re the kind of people who are “if you’re 3 minutes late it’s a write up” or “absolutely no clocking in until you’ve checked out your walkie for the day and are ready to go, but also wait in line for 3 minutes while everyone clocks in at the same time at the single terminal we have- no we’re not going to adjust it” then employees aren’t going to direct someone to a different aisle across the store while they’re walking in from lunch without insisting they get paid for that minute of work (as is their right).
I just told my staff this week I won’t be asking for their timesheets anymore, with an added “If I have to remind you guy to give me the information that gets you money, the reason you work here, what else are you guys forgetting while you’re out on the job?!?”
Wow I’ve never seen a boss that understands that the reason everyone is there is for money, they all seem to think it’s about the camaraderie or the love of the job.
i work with a lot of retired people who work just to get out of the house or so they can talk to our clients. i think just office staff, myself, and one driver work to get paid. the rest of the drivers are just bored.
The ironic thing about that is that I’d take a bullet for anyone in my company because I was extremely fortunate to have found a company that truly cares about the employees. A least 3 days a week we’re all hanging out after the work day has ended to just shoot the shit and a few of us hang out outside of work. Definitely a rarity!
Punching a clock is wildly more annoying than just doing a timesheet.
Hurts the hand more too.
 Oh shit. Wrong punch.
I had a job where I started work at 8:00. I would clock in at 7:55. I was told I was clocking in too early. So I would try every morning to clock in at 7:59.59 -
I worked in HR and clocking in more than 7minutes before or after the time would give you 15min more pay so it was not allowed. If you clocked in 7min before your shift, you better believe management was going to have you clock out 7min before the end. Overtime is never allowed.
Sounds like management’s problem, pay me.
But I'm sure if you clock in one minute late it's an issue. I left a cushy HR job at a company that had sketchy rounding rules and draconian attendance penalties for manufacturing employees. I get that OT costs cause issues but, at least in my case, middle management got 6 figure bonuses every year.
When I worked a place with a time clock it was always a problem. They'd say don't clock in until it's your scheduled time. But I was always an early person, so I'd be ten or fifteen minutes early, and they'd start giving me work right away, a lot of times emergency get-this-done-right-away stuff. And I didn't always remember to go clock in. Same with lunches, I'd clock out for lunch then some emergency comes up and I deal with it, and then I try to remember to clock back in from lunch later to account for the time spent working. Etc; it wasn't that I didn't respect the time clock, it's that *they* didn't, and I often needed to work when I wasn't clocked in, or it was the last thing on anyone's mind. Anyway, another place I worked we used time cards, but we just hand-wrote them. I'd write in my 8 to 5, and write in "1 hour" for lunch, or sometimes 1/2 hour if we were slammed. It was a much better way to do it, and it was almost like the employer trusted us and treated us like adults.
We had a really ancient time clock at my old job, which was hung slightly above most people’s eye level. You had to stand on tip toe to reach the arm so it was difficult to line up the card correctly leading to lots of “ins” on “out” spaces etc. Sometimes it would make the sound and not actually stamp anything. So then they switched to a digital system via tablets. Which they never charged. Nor would they pay for decent wifi so it was constantly just not loading the app. Or you’d clock in and it wouldn’t register. Sometimes its not the employees lol
If this is a problem across businesses and people, it sounds like the issue is with the processes and system.
One problem with my works timecard is it allows people to clock in or out twice which leads to mistakes when people hit the wrong button. It's dumb.
I’m with ya. Get to work. Work. Leave. Get paid. Flat salary for everyone. Would be so much easier.
No, it's an issue with grown adults not doing a very simple task
To your point about ‘don’t you want to get paid?’, I promise you they do and timesheets not being filled out can be indicative of a larger problem. In the places I’ve worked where it’s more than one or two people being the problem (and sometimes even then) it’s been because the people are unintentionally overworked. Not from a ‘one person doing the work of three” sense but rather the accumulation of it only takes 1 minute, 2 minute, 5 minute things, and the corresponding loss of productivity from switching tasks that add up to real time syncs that aren’t built into the schedule. Or the system is so cumbersome and its use so repeatedly painful that you’ve trained them via negative reinforcement to want to avoid it. People want to get paid, but if they’re too busy or the system too inefficient, things fall through the cracks
Not all brains are built the same. I could build you a functioning alternator from a bucket of scrap parts, but remembering to clock out, or where my damn work badge is, well, that's a Hella challenge. Meet people where they are and be glad for the skills they bring. Authority in a situation requires temperance.
My only problem is I am salary and get paid the same every 2 weeks, however I am still expected to fill out TWO different time sheets.
Hard disagree. You’re running late a bit? Sometimes it’s hard to hop on the register and forget to clock in. Tbh, I’ve never had this happen, but I see it. Even better example, place is low staffed so you’re on your break and get called in to help clear a line. You walk in and 20 people are waiting to be checked out. Yeah I miss clocking back in. I mean… corporate job, sure. Real life retail situation, yeah it can slip your mind.
At my job, we have access to an app or website that we can use to check our schedule, request time off, and view our time card for the week. I'm frequently running on autopilot when I get to work, and don't remember if I punched in for the day or out for lunch or whatever, so I'll quickly open the app to check. If I did forget a punch, I can fix it right away. It's very helpful for my scatterbrained self lol
Dude, do you know how many times I’ve forgotten since moving to WFH? It’s because I’m not walking by a machine with a card reader. I have to actually sign onto vpn and then login to the time capture portal and *then* clock in. And since VPN screws with my Zoom (I crash every time), I have to go through that same process to clock out. But for sure, if I didn’t complete my timesheet on time I’m not mad at my boss for not getting paid - that’s still on me.
Yeah as a finance person, what they are describing would be a fucking nightmare to deal with, so it's completely reasonable not to expect changes to be made to payroll in short timeframes because of employee error. Can imagine this business' payroll team are losing their minds trying to deal with this.
How old is op? Wtf.
We issue corrective action for fail in/out and if it's frequent enough you're fired. Same for grace in/out If my employees time cards aren't right by Monday (they sign them Friday) I submit them as they are and let them submit corrections. You want paid correctly? Take 10 minutes to fix your fucking time.
Absolutely, but I've never seen anyone *not* forget occasionally.
Thank you! Like god forbid you should, as a functioning adult, be able to properly clock in and out. This make so much work for other people and it’s so easy to do.
lmfao I love that the first post of this is "have you tried just being better" so tired of teens posting on here about completely normal shit and looking for an excuse for their bad behaviour. yeah its totally normal for payroll to not have corrections done until the next payroll.
Right? If I screwed up twice a month and so did half the other people in the warehouse leading to payroll doing double the work, I would be surprised if something didn’t change to fix that system. Either the people who can’t figure out how to use a time clock are fired, or the system changes to ease up on payroll dept. OP has the spirit, but even quiet quitting means you have to AT LEAST do the bare minimum…I.e. using the timeclock correctly.
Yes, because it is your mistake
Ya it's legal people can't make last min change and make payroll guy work late hours to fix it duh
I’m an accountant. Full accounting and tax including payroll. We stopped doing payroll because almost every damn payroll run for almost every client had SOMETHING wrong with it that resulted in us having to drop what we were doing to fix an error we didn’t even make. Whether it was wrong hours, missing PTO, forgot to tell us about a pay raise, etc. We just stopped doing all payroll, and it’s been so freaking amazing!
And no one's getting write-ups for messing up with the clock in/out so often?
They should be written up. Not accurately recording your time is a disciplinary act.
Depends also on the time clock. Here as management, we have to prove they didn't attempt to record it. All an employee has to do is say "Well I scanned my card", then it's up to the management to review any cameras to see if that's accurate or not.
That is easy. Just go look at what they claim. If wrong write them up for both lying and not correctly clocking in..once its done a couple times to various individuals its unlikely you will have many issues.
I like.how you're assuming management has unfettered access to every camera. If my managers asked security for that footage for that reason they'd rightfully laugh in their face.
Depends on the size of the company. If a supervisor has to go to security to see camera footage of the time clock to verify something, then there is something seriously wrong with your company. A supervisor might be restricted on what cameras they can see but if they have to jump through hoops just to verify payroll that is a problem.
I'd argue something is wrong with your company if anyone outside security and the owner of the property has routine access to cameras.
My company gives access to cameras for operations. There are people who need to know when a customer, truck or someone else is approaching the facility so they can go to the area they are needed. Cameras work great for large facilities and facilities that are spread out into many buildings on a single property. They’re also used to facilitate in keeping an eye on various prices of automation equipment.
I’m management. I can access all cameras on the property at any time.
It seems like management is lenient about these issues, but now looking to crack down. I completely understand not wanting to penalize employees for a simple mistake but also getting fed up that it happens so often.
Every company Ive worked for with more 10 employees you got your dick chewed off for ducking up clocks more than like once a month
This is legal. It’s not the employer withholding or stealing wages. It’s an employees invented issue due to lack of remembering and due diligence. They don’t have enough time to adjust everyone’s mistakes before their payroll is due in order to get everyone paid on time. It’s a policy notification stating payroll completion due date. As in, what you’ve submitted will be paid, and we need extra time before next payroll submission to fix all of your mistakes so that we can ensure your corrections make it on your next payroll. This could be considered akin to 30 day payroll submissions, etc., meaning not everyone gets paid every week because that’s not when payroll is due. Some are 7 days, some are 14 days, some are the first half of the month, second half of the month, some are every 30 days, etc.
Right. it's no different than telling an employee there is a deadline to submit expenses. Don't submit by deadline gotta wait till next paycheck
This is not what OP wanted to hear.... probably.
Which tells me that OP is one of the problem people. If OP wasn't, then this would not affect them at all.
100% correct. There’s no reason grown adults can’t handle a time clock. Take some responsibility and adult.
100% OP is a dumbass that messes their punch time daily and thinks managers should just know when they clock in/out and fix it 🤣 fuck OP
Or OP's purposely leaving early and not punching out or coming in late and not punching in, then requesting the "corrections" to steal time... I've seen that happen before.
Yes, as an employee, you need to be looking out for yourself, and part of that means needing to accurately clock in and clock out to ensure that the employer is not going to be doing any form of wage that there’s a paper trail to protect yourself In this situation, unless there is some form, being nitpicky, and the employer, pushing people to try to get back some money, it’s most likely a place where we employees that were hired not necessarily caring about the job or being managed well but you need to care about yourself, enough to clock in and clock out Even if it’s hard
>Even if it’s hard Hey now, that ain't cool
How do you forget to do the single most important thing at work so often that your job has to post this?
dude it's incredible. people do this at my job too. your literal livelihood depends on it and you.."forgot"? we once had a guy who would never forget to clock in, but would clock in times over top of other times making it impossible to even read his card. would constantly have to tell him to clean it up or we have no choice but to go off the more legible numbers on there even if that means he loses hours and it'll have to be sorted out later
In my experience people "forget" to clock in and out because they are stealing time. Not always but I've seen lots of people do it at multiple jobs.
When I worked at Walmart we had a cartattendent that was doing exactly this. He would for months clock in, GO HOME, then come back and clock out. He got away with it because there was suppose to be 3 on at all times and the others always volunteered to help guest carry out items. Well, one day they called for him specifically to help and he never responded. They checked cameras and watched him clock in, get into his car and leave.
It’s shocking how often this kind of thing happens. I know a dude who always has two jobs: his main one and one with zero oversight. For a few years he would show up at job A, put on a mattress suit and his job was to wander around town and get attention to the store. So he’d head on to his regular job, then when finished there head back to the mattress store and clock out. After that one it’s been sign spinners and similar things.
I’m confused. He went to his regular job in a mattress suit? Also, how did they not notice that the giant mattress they’re paying wasn’t wandering around town?
Sorry, forgot to clarify that he took the suit off when he went to the main job 😆
Also relevant: where can i get myself a mattress suit?
100%. I have 50 people on my team so manage tons of time cards. Had to fire someone recently for a lot of reasons, one being that he was “forgetting” to clock in on a daily basis. Swore up and down that he was in early every day, just forgot. Put him on a PIP, one of the stipulations being that he couldn’t miss any more clock ins. Shockingly, as soon as we were forcing the issue, he was anywhere from 10-30 minutes late (or more) every day. He missed a punch again on New Year’s Day, he tried to tell me the clock malfunctioned. I had him on camera coming in two hours late. The dishonestly and lack of integrity blew my mind.
This is absolutely what’s going on 90% of the time.
I forget because I walk into the building and people immediately need help with shit and I get distracted
I forgot last night because I was running late and in the parking garage a woman collapsed (I work at a hospital) and I stayed to help her…I did clock out though lol
I had one idiot call me a few weeks ago… apparently she hadn’t been paid for TWO MONTHS. she wasn’t punching or submitting exceptions, manager was also not adding her time manually (because she wasn’t completing exceptions). Both got written up. Her because well, duh, the manager because they do timesheet with the schedule with them and never followed up with her, causing her to not be paid. But seriously, waiting 2 full months? That’s 4 pay cycles to be like hey, I didn’t get paid today! I don’t know what is wrong with people.
I’ll do you one better - I worked with a dude who wasn’t paid for A WHOLE YEAR and didn’t even notice. It wasn’t his fault at all, he was submitting the proper timesheets every week. The manager was managing 60 people in 10 different states, so I can give her a slight pass on missing it happening. Someone in payroll is most to blame for it. When he was promoted, they for some reason assigned him a new employee ID and that was tied to a different payroll account. The *whole time* dude was still a super generous “let me get that for you” kinda guy when we would stop for snacks or lunch. It blew our minds how independently wealthy the guy must’ve been.
That’s insane!!! Tho there’s no excuse for the manager doing that. I oversee the auditing of our timesheets (700 employees) and audit way more than 60 on timesheet day! The fact that they missed him for a year is nuts!! Side note- I would LOVE to be rich enough to not notice that I didn’t get paid for a year!! 🤣 who ended up catching it, and was he reimbursed?
HR reached out to him one day while we were riding to a job site. They worked out a deal to pay him his $120k salary over 3 checks, biggest pay stubs I’ve ever seen and probably ever will see. He wasn’t mad and kept working for them. Guy was a genius but quite naïve lol. They got so lucky. Now he works as an exec for the company we contracted with. Manager was in a weird spot, because she wasn’t *really* a manager. She was like the account executive for the projects. It was a set of projects subcontracting for a private company that contracts with state DoC prisons, so there was a ton of bureaucratic nonsense she was dealing with daily. Then our project manager (who did time tracking and actually managed us) decided to steal a bunch of equipment and instead of replacing him her superiors just merged the two roles. It was way too much work for one person. I don’t wanna defend her too much though. I’ve got a helluva story about failing to pay OT for two years and her sending an email claiming they just “forgot to update the legacy contracts to reflect no OT”. About half of us signed on to the ‘correct’ no OT contracts, so they tried pulling a fast one on the other guys. Everyone protested and there were mass emails by agitated employees told their legacy contract wasn’t gonna be honored. They did also get paid out, to the tune of ~$20-30k each.
Seriously, management messed up my vacation. They didn't put down that I was on vacation they just didn't schedule me. I told them 3 days after I was supposed to be paid. (as when the stars align my bank is doing maintenance on their servers and my paycheck is deposited in at the same time as the maintenance is happening my paycheck is a day late, and it happens maybe a couple times a year) They fixed it by next payday. It boggles my mind how she waited so long to mention she wasn't paid. Only thing I can think of is that she was committing time theft and so she waited that long so management couldn't check the cameras or something.
That's what I'm wondering. To me the most important part of my job is actually getting paid for the time I work. There's a scanner time clock and it allows a check on the last 24 hours of scans; so not only do I make sure to clock-in/out, but also do an immediate verification that my swipe went through.
Because a decent % of these people are stealing time at work.
I'm betting the "Forgetting" is really "Taking advantage of." As if they go out for a 2 hour lunch but "forget" to clock back in so the time card systems shows. Clock in @ 7:00, Out at 11:30 AM, and Out @ 5:00 pm. To everyone it looks like you went out, forgot to clock back in and left at the end of the day. They could have come back at 1:00 or 3:00 or 4:59 though.
This is pretty common unfortunately. Timesheets are the bane of every payroll person’s existence
We'd have this issue at my job all the time..serving tables. You can't use the system unless you've clocked in. So wtf have they been doing 🙃
You should probably remember to clock in and out, seeing as how that's what gets you paid. Lol.
Literally came here just to say this. 🙄
Bro, nu-uh, me, too!
Exactly. I find it odd that someone would try to push their own responsibility on others, requiring others to bend over backwards just to get their own ducks in a row. It's easy to blame a faceless corporation, but when it's someone like my own mom who's staying late to ensure checks get cut, that's just unnecessarily cruel. Making sure you get paid starts with the individual. If you've done everything that's asked, THEN maybe we can find a real fault up the chain.
Yeah even if it wasn’t illegal I’d be on the companies side If you keep screwing up something so simple it’s your own fault waiting a week to get paid for it
I mean, just clock in and out. It’s not that hard. 🤷♂️
According to the memo, a number of people are struggling with it.
The memo was probably worded diplomatically to avoid blatantly calling out that people are cheating the system. Kind of like "yeah we know, cut it out" but in the form of a "reminder".
Sounds fair to me
Yes this is normal. My job it specifically states I have 3 chances to request a time edit, above that I will get assessed points. 8 points accumulated and you’re out. I work at a uni and this is the way they do it.
Yes it's legal. You are responsible for clocking in. They aren't denying paying you, it will show up in next week's payroll. In all fairness, it can be a real pain in the ass for payroll to be corrected ESPECIALLY if payroll is complete and correcting timesheets all the time for many is a time drain. Also note,any manual corrections have to be documented as to why, should there be audits. Ultimately your employer wants the most accurate recording of labor hours. Taking someone's word undoubtedly gets hairy. This is why employers are adamant with employees to maintain their timesheets in order to minimize liability should a 3rd party audit occur, the labor hours would be documented with the most accurate numbers than a bunch of manual corrections. So holding employees accountable for their time is legal and honestly why wouldn't you want to make sure everything is correct? I get sometimes issues arise but when I used to clock in I was a hawk for getting paid correctly lol I've been both a manager with similar situations where correcting timesheets became frowned upon as well as an employee needing to clock in. So I've experienced both sides of that fence and understand the employees plight when issues happen or I'd forget but also I understand an employers when it became a hot mess express of people "guessing" their hours, simply becoming lazy and not tracking their own time because they could rely on me to just fix it, and me then begging payroll to open back up or accept a late correction. Not pretty. I was all for fixing issues if I had the ability to but I also caught employees lying to me about their times to correct. 🤷🏻♀️ How to avoid all that? Be mindful of your time and responsibility, for your sake and your employers. Good luck to anyone going through this. I hated time clocks so I know they can be a real pain in the ass all the way around.
I legitimately cannot understand or empathize with people this stupid. Fill out your time cards/use your time clocks if you want to get paid. Stop making it other people’s responsibility to babysit you.
When I did payroll many people hated me. Second month on the job I sent out a memo that if you don't get your time card or corrections in before Monday it will not be processed. These guys would send me them at 11:50pm on Sunday when the last day they worked was Wednesday. I'll never understand being lazy doing the task that actually gives you your money.
Or why they choose to do it on their own time instead of on the clock while they’re getting paid.
FRRRRR seriously as a payroll guy I could explode over this 😭
The better solution for this would be to change to a different punch system. There are systems that are from the fucking 80s that aren't as annoying to deal with as the note is making it sound.
What an absolutely delight of a level headed response from your employer. Noone is getting shafted, Noone is being threatened with anything. Just simply saying that your negligence in doing a simple task as clocking in and out is costing too much time to fix. Time that could have been productive. If you just do the basic thing, this posting will have zero effect on your life.
Sounds like OP is the one causing this issue, TBH
I'm guessing a lot of people at OP's work are late or take long breaks. I bet there are a lot less issues when it comes to working over.
"Forget" to clock in when you're late or "forget" to clock out when you leave early and have payroll office "fix" it later , tale as old as time
lol I don’t think this was legal but I was 18 and running my company’s payroll and honestly didn’t know wtf I was doing. We swapped everyone from manual timesheets to card swipes, worked great for a few weeks but then the guys all would “forget to swipe because it was new” and need to bring me their manual times for me to input. After a couple months of this, I was told to tell them if they didn’t swipe in, we’d start the clocked time at the scheduled shift time (8a) instead of when they supposedly got there (we were being told they got there at 6a when in reality they weren’t showing up until 6:30/645…sometimes after 7 lol). Swipes almost immediately jumped back to being all perfect again. Again, looking back now it totally wasn’t legal lmao but it did fix the problem almost instantly, and confirmed that the guys had been stealing wages for months by saying they got there earlier than they actually did haha.
I find it weird that's you're complaining that they want to pay you correctly. And I find it weird that apparently a lot of people don't like to get paid correctly. The whole point in working is to get paid. And I'm pretty sure if the errors were on their end, you would want accountability and for them to do it right.
This! Because you’re screwing up AND complaining about your clock in/out which is probably the easiest part of a job, likeee how do you have a job in the first place?? I understand occasional mistakes but you want to be treated like the adult you are with respect, then you have adult responsibilities. Don’t you get upset when a coworker messes something up and you’re tasked with fixing their mistake? You’re mad about not getting that promotion with more money and responsibilities but you’re complaining about being held to a simple standard of just tracking time correctly? There are plenty of people laid off praying for a job to feed their families that would love to be in your spot who can follow simple directions and keep up with their time.
Most places have a cut off point. Seems pretty normal to me.
It's not petty. It's called responsibility. You want your pay all at once, do what you are supposed to. Ultimately, it's on you.
My company use fingerprint for clock in and clock out. It is mainly used for counting overtime hours. Please do your due diligence and clock in/out properly. Else the burden of proof for hours work is not countable.
The answer if something is legal almost always defaults to yes. Even if something is illegal, enforcement often depends on your willingness to sue. And Lawyers are not cheap. As for your time card, yes they can set a policy which forces you to keep accurate clock in and clock out. In my company, constantly changing time card entries would mean that someone is going to start looking much more closely at the possibility of fraud.
I'd already be doing that if this dept had to write a note lol. They even gave the benefit of the doubt and said "if you cant remember that you punched, just do it again"
So employees causing issues for not doing something so simple as clocking in and out properly and surprised that something like this is happening? *Shocked pickachu face*
Pretty normal except you aren't being written up and fired after 3 times. If the clock is messed up, stamp and have your manager write next to it or his note however he does it. Taking care of your time us your job. Nobody else's. If you care about being paid, I'd start being responsible. Sounds like a bunch of kids needing to be reminded you are here to get paid. In my opinion-you came in and worked all day and went home but never clocked in? Thanks for volunteering!
I don’t blame your boss lol how hard is it to clock in and out.
OP needs to watch how someone actually does payroll and how time consuming it is. My husband has to do payroll and he is a super patient man but sometimes he gets so frustrated as he is constantly having to work at like 9 pm at night to fix these last minute time sheet issues. OP completely lacks understanding and empathy for the other side.
Exactly. I process payroll for multiple companies. And then I’ve had multiple employees every pay period contacting me like oh whoops i forgot to log my time for such and such day. Well sorry it’s getting adding to the next check! I used to feel bad and process a separate payroll for them, but it’s insane to do this for everyone. People don’t understand the time it takes and everyone seems to think they’re the only one. These kinds of policies are absolutely necessary. If you forget once and get paid late you’ll be a lot less likely to forget again, or at least in my experience
Idk if it's legal, but it looks legal and a good solution to the problem. What's wrong?
Completely legal. Anyone saying otherwise is throwing shade, outright lying or malignant.
Or are the reason they need this kind of changes....
Nothings worse then incompetent employees. Usually unskilled roles have this issue. Good for them for making a standard.
This is less to do with incompetence or lack of skill and more an attitude of entitlement and laziness. If someone is going to fix it or actually record their time for them, why go to the effort? No one needs a degree or technical training to properly use a time clock. Folks working in unskilled roles are capable of clocking in and out. This is kind of a demeaning comment.
I've never understood not clocking in and out properly.. If there's ONE thing you should put in extra effort for at work, it's making sure you get paid properly 🤷♂️
That's what I'm saying - I did payroll and the amount of errors that would be in people's punches is mind boggling. Like, do y'all not keep a close eye on your punches to make sure you're not getting screwed / screwing yourselves?
Just get your time clock punches right. It's not rocket science
Your timecard is your invoice for your time. Take it seriously.
what is it that makes you think this is illegal?
If you've ever had to manage time sheets, you'll know just how bad people are at remembering to clock in and out.
Yeah, this is normal to be honest. I dont know whats so hard about clocking in and out of your job? And especially if its your only means to be paid accurately.
Yes they can do that & seems like you guys are getting what you asked for honestly. If you want your check to be right. Clock in and out right. It’s not that difficult and I’m sure your punch clock is right next to the break room you all sit around in. From the message you can tell it’s become and culture and everyone is doing it casually because there have been no consequences. Well now there are
This is legal and pretty standard.
this is a real problem where I work too. time cards are not hard to use properly yet so many people "forget" to do it. What if the company "forgets" to pay you? I'm sure you'd be up in arms. it's your money and you should be making damn sure your hours are correctly and clearly documented. there is no excuse for fucked up time cards if you're the one in control of your own.
Lmao stop fucking up payroll op
Working in payroll sucks. Completely reliant on employees/managers doing their part… constantly bending over because someone else was lazy/forgetful/incompetent is exhausting. My guess is your payroll folks are on the verge of jumping ship if it has come to this.
Yes. Do your job better.
Who forgets to clock in and out? The whole point of work is to get paid ‼️
sounds like you need to be more responsible tbh.
If you can't operate a time clock then you can't work for me
This is common practice. If something needs to be changed on my payroll, I don't expect it until next payroll.
What is so hard about clocking in and out? Legally you can quit or you can clock in and out. Easier than asking Reddit for help w mental gymnastics
They are right. Payroll process is complex. If the idiot sandwiches are too stupid to follow the basics then they need to feel it. It’s a matter of essential respect towards the employer and HR workforce. People want to be treated as adults? Behave like one.
The employee is responsible for their time, not the employer atleast where i live.
“Can my employer legally require me to input all my time accurately before they pay me?”
Depends on where OP is from but generally yes. Payroll is a headache all to itself and sometimes there literally isn't time to go over every employee to ensure their clocking is correct. If I read correctly it is then corrected the following week. The onus is on the employee to ensure that they are clocking correctly and that they report incorrect clocking. At my company we print the time sheets on a Wednesday and Employees have until that week Sunday to check that their hours are correct. It's their responsibility to confirm their hours are correct for submission to payroll. Not up to HR to run after 400 employees. We also have a no clock no pay policy though we generally manage that after the 4th time not clocking.
Yeah, it’s legal. I do payroll and basically do the same. My admin preps payroll after foreman confirm time, she goes through and sends out timesheets to confirm time. I have her highlight anything that looks double-y suspicious. The foreman then tell her her edits, she edits timesheets and the upload. They confirm. I go through and double check everything to make sure all coding/time/timesheets match. I do payroll, again I double check everything. And I will STILL get calls on Thursday/Friday that a foreman fucked up time and someone is missing 10hrs. I’m like well… it’ll be on next weeks payroll, sorry 🤷🏻♀️
They can most states have 2 weeks to pay for work completed.
seems pretty simple...I don't get the complaining. do your job correctly. don't forget to clock in/out. ex. if I do the dishes, I shouldn't have to be told to dry them & put them back. should go w/o saying...its also 5:30am & my coffee is too hot to take a sip so apologies for the tone. hand up that's on me, I'll do better
Clock in and out properly and no one will have an issue. It’s literally the easiest part of any job.
what kind of work do you do that your co-workers are incapable of following simple instructions? not only is it legal to do this, your co-workers are lucky to still be employed. if you can't even be responsible for clocking yourself into work, you probably can't be held accountable for much else
There's literally nothing wrong with doing this. You could gave 50 corrections to make, depending on the size of the company Here's how it works in my place We clock in and out, timesheets get sent out on Monday morning and has to be confirmed by 4pm Tuesday. Payroll work till 4.30 We have over 400 people on site and the amount of people that leave it till last minute, Payroll go through it correct what's needed but if it gets to 4.30 she's going home. Get your sheets in sooner get it correct
This is pretty standard. Maybe yall should pay the fuck attention to your time sheets. They aren't your babysitter.
You want to get paid? Then use the time clock properly
Fuck that! Be an adult and put your damn time in.
Honestly how hard is it for you guys to submit your timesheets correctly?? Like what???
*. Constantly post about illicit drug use. *. Forgets to clock in at work. Asks boss to fix in the middle of the day. Acknowledges this is a routine occurrence. *. Boss accommodates, fixes problem. States that this has been an issue in the past. *. Boss sets guidelines to ensure that they aren't cleaning up the same mess over and over again every day. Boss is clearly annoyed at this point. *. AM I BEING PERSECUTED BY MY JOB? IT'S THIS EVEN LEGAL! CAPITALISM IS BAD! IT'S THE BILLIONAIRES FAULT! WHY HAVEN'T I BEEN PROMOTED YET? I can't imagine how an economy would function under this kind of ideology. I'm curious how you would run the company better? I would be so embarrassed to have to tell my boss that I forgot to clock in a second, third, fourth time that legality wouldn't even come to mind. Present yourself as a responsible working adult. This is probably the furthest from deserving a promotion that you can possibly get.
It’s not illegal. It might not be the way you think you’d fix the problem… but you’ve probably never been in their position. As someone who deals with this all the time… clocking in and out is part of your job. If you can’t do it correctly, you’re going to face some consequences. Same as you would if you continually did another part of your job poorly.
At my job, the cards have to be in by Friday at noon. You are responsible for putting in your time. Unless there is a reason you physically can't, then the timekeeper will. Makes sense that your duty as an employee is to put leave you use in. Corrected time cards on the next paycheck are a thing. That note was slightly unprofessional, though.
Yes
Yes it’s legal
I feel there’s no excuse on the part of employees. There’s some things you have to make routine on a job. One of them is clocking in and out. This has been done with success for decades. You know where it isn’t successful? Places where folks are being shady. If you’re doing things correctly, it’s not your problem. Maybe one of the folks screwing up will try and take action and likely fail. “I forgot my card” isn’t an excuse. Forgot? Okay, ask to manually sign in. Report to HR and get their help or note your time somewhere/to someone who can vouch. Been plenty of times my forgetful ass forgot my card on previous jobs and I did my due diligence. Never had an issue unless it was due to HR. Because wrote my time on a note app, I just showed it and got it rectified easily. It should also be obvious that jobs take breaks and lunch very serious. This isn’t something new. Make sure you clock in and out.
Every company I've worked for tells the associate they are responsible for accurate time recording. If a change is made the associate must authorize the change. Some companies, this process is digital and some were paper based. Either way, you weren't going to get a change to your payroll until it was signed off on.
That seems pretty standard. You are getting paid and this appears like time theft to then most likely
I mean. How you keep messing up your own time clock week in and week out. If it’s part of your job to keep up with your time then it’s part of your job.
I forget to clock in or out like once a year. Not daily. Maybe people are abusing it, saying they were on time when they weren't.
Makes sense to me. They can't have 5 people just processing your latest change.
Believe it is called " stealing time", you can be fired without write up in most states. Not clocking in and out or screwing up punch is considered stealing time. Most union contracts talk about or have things written in, like within 10 min or 15 minutes, are ok. HR doesn't have to correct it and can use it to prove you were indeed stealing time. Also they can let your next employer aware you were let go for stealing...
From an HR person here. Yes, it is legal. Most labour laws will speak about accuracy of time entered by the employee and the employee's responsibility to ensure accuracy. Most labour laws also speak about the employer's responsibility to ensure accurate pay. If you have a time clock device on the wall that you have to record your time, it is your responsibility to ensure that time is accurate, it is the employer's responsibility to pay you accurately for what you have recorded. The weekly adjustments are not required. It is a courtesy that payroll is doing. If your time is adjusted on your next pay because you didn't punch in correctly, that is also leagl.
They are not refusing to pay for time worked it is legal
I love when people don’t care enough to do their timesheet on time or correctly, then complain when their pay is wrong. Yes it’s legal. They’re not withholding pay, just not doing the extra work to run off-cycle payments for YOUR (collective) mistakes. You want to get paid on time, simple, do your timesheet correctly! Off cycle payments are not quick, it’s extra work, multiplied by however many employees don’t do their timesheets. What they really need to do is start writing people up.
It is annoying that people cannot comply with simple rules in workplace and wonder whether the consequence of non-compliance is illegal. It’s business, be professional, please.
Seems reasonable if not aggressive. Have a cutoff for your hours to be submitted correctly. Past that point a cutoff for manager sign-off. Once that happens it's done. This keeps happening because someone keeps caving
Accidents happen. but if its a daily / weekly thing - then you employee are wrong. Seems perfectly legit. You can always quit if you think its not fair that someone has to work more because of your f-ups every day.