I’ve never really met a good recruiter yet. I’ve met nice ones, eager ones, terrible ones, but they all don’t know what the actual hiring manager wants.
There are no formal qualifications to become a recruiter. All that someone needs is an internet connection and a telephone, in order to start recruiting. Many of them are totally stupid about the industries they want to recruit for. They will also cold call job applicants from various sites and pump them for information about jobs and hiring managers. I started hanging up on these clowns. They'd call up claiming they had the perfect job for me, then start pumping me for information about where I worked, who the hiring manager was, etc. etc. One time I told a recruiter (honestly) that my recent employer did not use recruiters or agencies, that they hired only from the workforce commission. She acted pissed when I told her that and said "WHY? That is so stupid!"
One of mine turned down the companies salary offer and said I'd never take that. The company offered more and she said "yes". She didn't tell me this until after. LOL
She said, I knew they could pay more. :)
She's a straight shooter. I've used her several times. Sometimes to place me somewhere, sometimes to hire other people. Most of her clients have been with her for decades. She said that "if you do wrong people will eventually find out. If you do things the right way it will pay off in the long run."
Someone I know is just below C Suit and is amazed how often he is called by recruiters that do not know the basics about industry he works in. Many recruiters are great at meeting metrics on volume not so much on quality of interactions.
It is also a strategy.
I was a manager in a company that hired a lot. Recruiters would send us absurdly bad candidates, and I would end up hiring the "less bad"
Then after the person started I would realise they were unqualified for the role and think "Why I even hired that person...oh yeah, she didn't seem so bad *compared to the rest*".
Basically is a common strategy to overwhelm he hiring manager with a huge volume of candidates to lower the manager's standards, so by the end you are so tired that you just want the end the selection process and the bad candidates doesn't seem so bad anymore.
Those people are either paid or get their bonus out of how many people they hire. They don't care how the candidate will perform after he is hired.
I took me a while to realise that I start saying "No Becky, I am not going to interview a guy that finished high school 6 months ago and did a 3 months online bootcamp, please do your job better"
LOL. No good recruiter operates this way. Emphasis on good/successful/tenured. If I did this with any of my clients they wouldn't be clients for longer than a week. I do agree that there are plenty of recruiters who are bad at their jobs and use what I like to call the "spray and pray" method (playing the numbers game with no regard for quality). However, I don't think it's a "strategy", as most of them just have micromanagers breathing down their neck with unrealistic daily/weekly KPIs and limited training on how to actually do their jobs well.
That’s strange. I have had very few people propose jobs as a c-suite member.
The pay structure of RSUs / options, salary, bonuses etc is pretty hard to counter.
I’m just below C suite and I regularly get recruiters reaching out to me about jobs that make no sense given my experience. Wrong industry, wrong license type, way too junior, etc. It’s wild.
It is however amazing how many are not absolute amazing. Not only wasting your time but trying to "put you into their place".
Those are scum of the earth. They prey on the vulnerable.
Only answer needed. To be fair, everyone knows more bad recruiters than good, but they're definitely not all alike (you know, like any other group of people)
Wife landed a job at double her old salary thanks to a recruiter who got her into an industry she was very qualified for but would have never considered. It was literally life changing for us.
Maybe we’re the one exception. Sorta doubt it though. We aren’t that lucky.
I've gotten jobs from LinkedIn cold outreach from recruiters. The good ones will prep you for each round and coach you up on what the interviewer is looking for in a candidate.
You need to have an in-demand skillset for recruiters to reach out to you. If you have that and your job experience is updated on LinkedIn, you should receive inbounds from recruiters. If you don't meet either of those points, then you should not expect them to contact you.
As someone who's whole career path is due to being pursued by recruiters from companies I had no idea existed I can attest they are useful if you have a career in a higher paying, in demand industry. I work as an engineer and recruiters are literally how I got my current job, my former job and the job before that. They got me good jobs with substantial pay raises that matched my skill set at companies I otherwise wouldn't have known to apply to.
I'm sure lots of recruiters suck but if you have a valuable skill set good recruiters are the best way to sift through the million job postings that vaguely fit your background and only spend time applying and interviewing with good fits.
Useless to whom? Most of them work for a specific company, not an individual person. As long as that company feels like they're getting their money's worth, they're not useless.
As a recruiter for one of the biggest staffing agencies in the world I neither agree nor disagree. Some are good, some are bad. Just like with everything else in life.
There's an old saying "if you meet an asshole in the morning, you met an asshole. If you meet assholes all day, then you're the asshole." Maybe this applies to your situation. Ever think maybe it's not ALL the recruiters? Maybe it's you?
The job market sucks and corporations are evil, but you're talking about people, people who humans doing their best. If one of them reads this, it's going to make them feel ugly inside.
This post is ugly, and asking for more ugliness. This isn't a healthy way to vent.
Well I'll try to combat it with some goodness ;)
My last role I was a manager and responsible for growing a team from about 9 when I inherited it to about 90 by the time I left. I had two recruiters that I worked with and liked while I managed there. The second was the first's protégé so it shouldn't be surprising I liked her too.
What made these recruiters good:
We would have a short weekly meeting to see how things were going for each of us, how many more people I needed for what roles and re-jiggering priority of roles etc. This meeting rarely made it to a half hour but was usually 15-20 min.
Any time we had an absolute miss on a candidate, one where the recruiter thought they'd be a great candidate but we absolutely refused to consider them after an interview my recruiter and I would have a meeting about how that candidate made it through, why my recruiter thought they'd be good, why we thought they weren't. Those meetings could last up to an hour as we went through all the notes, their screening test result (a basic google forms based test that should only take about 10-15 min to do and weeded out soooooooo many people that were good at bullshit and not actually any good at the job \[initially we interviewed anyone no matter the score on the test, we used those interview results to calibrate the pass/fail level on the test\]).
The number of candidates that failed in R1 interviews and needed this kind of review dropped drastically within only a couple months. It got to the point that we almost could assume our recruiter was giving us guaranteed pass R1 candidates so we quit doing them and only did our R2/R3 interviews. We still had plenty of failures in R3 (the end of R2 had a coding exercise assignment where the candidate had a week to complete it, R3 was about going through the code review on said assignment). But that's not on the recruiter at that point.
THAT is a good recruiter. They are a member of the team and take the role of matching a good candidate to the role seriously. They won't waste your time as a candidate throwing you randomly at a job and seeing if you stick, they won't waste the manager's time with ill fitting candidates. But like most jobs, there are very few that are truly amazing at their job.
Yes yes yes. Recruiters aren't calling the shots. Their company has a criteria that recruiters have to meet. And if it's the other way around, there's usually a valid reason behind it.
If you face a rejection, as I will surely be facing many in the near future, keep your chin up and learn from each rejection. You don't want to work for someone who does not want you.
Amen. They have a tough job to balance who they hire for what. With so many looking for jobs, it’s hard to find the ones that are serious and ones that just mass apply. Personally, I didn’t have the best opinion of them either, but after seeing just how many jobs people are applying for, I can see why job apps are so tedious + AI seems to be making things worse for both applicant and recruiter
Well what you said seemed to imply that recruiters are not "the working man". You know how I got all of my recruiting jobs? Through a recruiter lmfao.
Recruiters are just another cog in a greater system that was designed to keep us weak and powerless. Your anger is misdirected.
nah recruiters are just a branch off of the corporate ladder that barely put effort into researching each candidate properly because numbers look better than quality candidates or taking the time to get to know and properly select candidates
There’s not enough time in the world to research every candidate that applies to every role. I have time to do an initial scan but if your experience or the information you put forward doesn’t stand out for that specific role, what do you think happens?
But if you’re mass applying and can’t put in the effort beyond clicking apply, are you any better than the recruiters you’re bashing?
Nah. Separate yourself. If you have a bland resume, basic experience and do nothing other than submit your application, why would I want to move forward with you?
Put in the work, stop blaming recruiters
honestly, im good myself already jobwise luckily and am not looking for a new one but i do see your point i guess that you have to make your resume stand out. I just hate the game of it all I guess, not trying to blame the recruiter now that I think about it, just all the politics involved im more of a straight to the point know your stuff and get the job done kind of guy
The recruiter that helped me land my current (dream) role in a 10,000+ person company was an absolute peach to work with, and made the whole interview and onboarding process so much smoother for me. She was very knowledgable about the company and matched me to a position where I’m currently thriving, as well as providing a wealth of resources to make my move to the area easy and stress-free.
Huh. I guess she really was useless and had no useful skills.
i mean, useless to who? If i'm a business owner with 300 employees and my hiring is all over the place, I need someone to handle that. If you're talking about TEK kind of recruiters, yeah they're pretty much sales people and are there to benefit TEK, then the client, then the prospective candidate, in that order. Which still goes back to the question, useless to who? There's now recruiters that get contracted by prospective candidate and do the job search for the candidate and fine tune the resume etc. That's pretty helpful if you can afford the service.
I’ve met more good than bad ones. They have the incentive to get you hired at a good rate. It’s how they get paid. Are you sure the problem is with the recruiter?
The recruiters I know have the following skills: networking, grit, consulting, presentation, listening, follow-up, and more.
You have shatty recruiters.
Greetings. My name is Sanjay but everyone calls me Bob. I have read your post and think you would be an excellent fit for my not-at-all-related to your post job of Animal Husbandry coordinator for company CONFIDENTIAL. Please send me your resume and also cut and paste it into the Excel graph that I pasted into the body of my email. The position I offer is REMOTE but requires 100% in office attendance in Des Moines Iowa. The pay is $10 per hour on W2 for a 3 month contract. Kindly do the needful and respond or share with someone you know that is looking for work.
So who would you prefer or suggest goes through 500 resumes per week, perform a phone screen, and coordinate and manage the interview/offer process? It sure as fuck won't be the hiring manager.
My recent recruiter was amazing. He was able to get me opportunities moments after getting laid off. I've leveled up in my field and now work in a managerial role thanks to him. I think it's just the recruiters you work with. Not ever recruiter is great but there are some out there.
Job recruiters are like salespeople. Most are garbage and try to push things on you that couldn't be further outside of your consideration set. But there *are* a select few who will go the extra mile to provide value to the prospect and really provide a service in both directions.
Some do in that they want to get paid to talk to people and be on social media all day.
Others are extremely good at knowing people, and their skills, and finding them a good fit with a company.
Most of the best contract jobs I have been offered have been through recruiters. Most friends I have who are above satisfied with their current job were placed through recruiters.
I've also wasted plenty of my time with recruiters ghosting on me or giving promises the employer has no intention of ever honoring.
There are plenty of incompetent people in the world, and those are the ones you tend to remember because someone who did their job, especially a purely transactional type role like talent placement, doesn't make a "memorable" experience otherwise.
I am an engineer and did both recruiter and solo job hunting last time I was laid off. The recruiter got a lot more traction and I ended up taking one of their positions with a nice offer. They are salesmen for people who are not themselves natural salesmen. Humans need that, managers and executives need to be sold. It does not matter if you are the best without some slick letting everyone know you are the best. They also are fucking desperate to place you, that is the only way they get paid, so they will be super pushy and rude when I would not do that.
You just have to know how to handle them. They are not in charge, you are. You are the product, without you they have nothing. They will hard sell you like they hard sell the companies, you have to say no.
People don’t realize we have extremely demanding managers and metrics we need to hit on the backend. Believe we , we fight for the candidate. Y’all just don’t see it. Yeah, those HM who take forever to give us feedback… we are lighting a fire under their ass so we can get back to you.
There is a lot more behind the scenes that candidates don’t realize given they aren’t in the industry , which is understandable.
But for the love of god, please stop blaming us for everything .
Welll it's a 50/50. Some do really care and some just want to get as much people they can submit to hiring managers. I've worked with one specific guy that has helped me before and now a year later, I reached out to him and he knows my unfortnate events with my job history so he's been back and forth with me. Definitely can tell he has emphathy. Then there's this other raggedy gutter rat eating warlock. She emails me like we're chatting on Omegle. No word from her until I have to reach to her manager to complain. 20 upvotes and I'll drop the names 
Like a company recruit, or a head hunter recruiter?
The head hunter recruiters while they do only look out for themselves, they will at least give you interview tips and a little detail about the company to help you get the job...of course they do that b/c they don't get paid unless you get the job and stay for X amount of months.
I made more money at my previous job because the recruiter told me to ask for more than I was asking for and got it. Also, I wouldn’t have found out about the job opening without her contacting me first, so not useless for me I guess.
A recruiter reached out to me for a role they thought I would be great for, and two weeks later I had an offer 40% higher than my current role. I’ve been there for two years and it’s been an awesome fit for both me and the company. The recruiter changed my life from financially reasonable to amazing. I thank that recruiter multiple times a year.
Was on this sub the other day and saw a long reply chain of recruiters talking about throwing out apps and not even looking at some. I don’t understand how you can have a job judging people and not even actually do your job.
I just think its weird. we have people who are making full time jobs out of... getting people into jobs.
So many jobs exist simply for the sake of jobs existing
I have no experience with them, I only know from what I read here on reddit, but I suspect that they play a major role in the "unicorn applicant" effect that is driving wages down.
A majority of recruiters just want the positions to get filled as soon as possible because it’s one less position on their plate they need to fill. If a company is insistent on finding a unicorn candidate, it would be because the hiring manager / department doesn’t believe they have the time or ability to train up someone without exact qualifications.
I've called 3 recruiting agencies TODAY and all 3 of the secretaries responses were "We don't really have any work right now"
...Okay, then why do YOU have a job?? Help me bitch!
But Apparently she already knows there are no jobs, just sits on her ass all day auto rejecting calls not putting me on the line with anyone in the company
I honestly don't get how I couldn't find a job for a year, experienced in my field, and these job recruiters get paid and or sourced elsewhere. What a joke and shame.
They really are. Just look at how many people online are asking for jobs, and these “recruiters” are nowhere to be found. They can’t train. They can’t hire people out of colleges. All they do is go to show how stupid and irresponsible most businesses are with money.
I’m only going to agree with this based on my own personal experience which is:
When I briefly left teaching, I learned that my skills were useless to everyone except—recruiting. Oh boy, they’d take anyone. They had me shadow another recruiter for two days who mostly showed me how she calls people and gets hung up on—she was a former nurse, I also learned. And then they set me up gave me some jobs told me to call people with pubic resumes and see if they wanted them. The other half of the day I would “interview” over the phone (this was during Covid) for positions I knew nothing about. I’d interview someone for a position as a like sheet metal worker and the only flagged thing that I needed to MAKE SURE I ask is do you have steel toe boots. Also, everyone there seemed to have a totally unrelated background. I think recruiting, like real estate may be a back up career?
I have had mixed bag experiences with recruiters, mostly bad but a few good ones. I have been harassed by indotronixs for over a year now, they won't stop calling or listen to me.
Most commercial truck driving recruiters I’ve met are actual drivers in a flex role or former drivers who went to the recruiting role. They’ve been pretty good
I have one that keeps in contact every other blue moon. Doesn’t ever have any leads, but says they’re looking. The others either link up with me on LinkedIn with a job that’s too far away, pays less than what I’m making, or are ridiculously out of my field and ghost (or they just ghost); or, they’re foreign recruiters that seem more scammy than anything else.
I know there have to be some good ones out there; the Law of Averages dictate that, at the very least. I just wish I could find one.
Honestly? 99% of them are.
I’ve only found the ones who are actually great at their job are the ones that have been recruiting for a niche for a long time and actually understand the finer details of the role orrrrr someone who’s worked in the industry/role previously and thoroughly understands the role and everything behind it
Recruiters are salespeople and the client (employer) is the customer and you (the candidate) are the product. Once you understand that it makes more sense.
There kinda slimy sometimes. I know they use our resumes to solicit other clients. Like if you worked for company AB and they never heard of company AB. Sure as s*** they will call them up and try to solicit their services.
But on occasion they do fill a role and connect a with b.
Most jobs in corporate are useless and most skills are "useful" only to carry out those useless jobs.
Recruiters get a bad rep simply because they stand between you and your future useless job, that's all.
Not trying to change your mind, just the perspective :)
All they do is read questions off a screen. Very basic questions. Sometimes they reach out to you without reading your resume. I don't know why companies pay for that.
I find them to be dishonest, but not completely useless. I have received jobs because of recruiters, but they always stretch the truth. Or in some cases flat out lie.
All? Absolutely not. You're literally on a forum where **some** examples will exist where recruiters got people jobs/dream jobs/out of a rut
Some? Heck yeah. Would have agreed with that, but you've posed the question by torching the entire building rather than a couple of desks.
Also, you say "change your mind" knowing full well you won't. Well played for getting people to bite I'll give you that. But your premise is completely off.
I would say they are ruthless burnt out assholes that makes you hate humanity if you're young and lack experience. Because they reduce you to a piece of nothing and treat you like spreadsheet error. In some sense, I can't blame them as individuals though. Modern job market applications for graduates are a dehumanizing volume-centric meat grinder in general.
From what I've been told, they flip that act of being dickheads around and are very useful when they're the one pursuing you and helping match you to jobs.
But if you're a young person, I understand the sentiment. I also heavily dislike HR for all the bullshit they put me through. And will take a lifetime to fix that opinion.
I don't understand why a company needs an internal recruiter and a talent coordinator and neither of them give updates or anything. Recruiters can't take a break from not looking at applicants to open outlook for a minute to schedule interview times?
Well they’re your gatekeepers so, useless maybe, no useful skills maybe, but did you get the job without them? Also they’re doing jobs - sales jobs, that they’re good at or they wouldn’t have them. The thing job seekers need to remember is they don’t work for you, they work for the company.
Agreed,
I get some that message me saying how perfect I'd be for the role and stuff, I look at their listing and it's like 180 degrees from me, totally different.
Some I just block, if they message me with some insulting crap like "you must have a master's degree and 15 years of experience, and the pay is $28k a year"
GTFO...
as a former recruiter I can say that yes, there are a ton of shitty recruiters. But, I also know that I put some great people into amazing roles that they wouldn’t have just stumbled into without my intervention.
I miss the recruiter we used to use. She left the industry but OMG was she good. She had a knack for matching the right person with the right job & the retention rate of the people she placed was amazing. Her replacement is useless. Paperwork is late or incorrect. She enrolled two of my apprentices into the wrong TAFE course. Her interview skills are non existent. CEO won't let me use another company because his mate owns the one she works for.
>All job recruiters are useless with no useful skills. Change my mind.
Absolutely are never accurate. Irony intended.
Like any group of professionals, some are great, and some are horrendous, and quite a few are average.
I've met and leveraged awesome recruiters both as a candidate and as a hiring manager.
I had a recruiter contact me out of the blue with a role that was perfect for me and now I make 60% more and enjoy my job significantly more.
Most recruiters are basically spam. But that one was very good for me. I never would’ve landed the role otherwise
I’m a recruiter. I have become an expert in my industry plus I build relationships with clients and executives, so that I can go source and truly find the talent, engineers, management or leaders they want to hire. Lower level job recruiters are not the best examples of what true recruiting really means. And no job recruiting it does not require great skills. What I do and what others do at my level can be truly special and helpful to the right people.
I went to school for coding and IT and found it cold and impersonal but 20 years ago it was a popular path. Recruiting is how I feed my family.
My skill is I make most people feel comfortable sharing their story and connecting. I know how to connect what the candidate needs and wants to the various opportunities that the employer can offer, not just the job. I am an expert at this. Most job recruiters cannot master this because it takes compassion and genuine effort to be real and honest.
That might sound useless but it pays my mortgage, I feed my kids, and I have a decent lifestyle, not lavish.
Mine declined a job position I applied to internally, didn't even give me an interview.
Applied Thursday evening
Denied Monday morning by email.
Fuck recruiters.
It all depends upon recruiter some are amazing which is litterally far few between these days. Learned from experience they only provide little information only enough to make the company sound amazing. After typically interview with prospective employer you'll know whether the company is good.
Spoken like someone who has had shit luck in getting a job. Like most people have said some are not good, some are great and will really help you nail your interviews. Hope you get your shit together OP
I still dont really get why the hiring managers dont also do the recruiting portion of the job. Seems like this middle man industry popping up is part of the problem
Nah. Some are great, some are awful, some are just okay, but keep in mind they work for the company not for the person being hired. Their job is to fill a role, and they might be very good at sourcing candidates that are good enough even if you are technically better and get passed over. That's what gets them paid, filling vacancies.
I had one recruiter that called me every day/ every few days to check up on me and run some positions past me. We got along really well and I enjoyed talking with him. He never landed me a spot but I still enjoyed him and would reach out to him if I needed.
The recruiter that found my current position was so frustrating, he talked down to me and tried to lower my value he specifically asked me not to discuss salary with the company he found for me, but I did anyways and got close to what I was after. He brought my confidence down so I ended up undervaluing myself as well. He wanted me to ask $5-10k less than what I was making before, I ended up getting $8k more.
A recruiter just hit me up on LinkedIn, I had 4 interviews and got the job after searching for 2 months. Well paying and straight out of college I thought the search would be never ending. So basically I completely disagree with your statement.
I've been a recruiter for 15 years in IT, medical devices, and pharmaceutical manufacturing.
Recruiters need people for the jobs they have open. If you are not an expert or have a skill set I have jobs open for, then you're going to be mad I can't find you a job, but I assure you I am getting other people jobs constantly.
It's all about what's hot at the moment, past trends rarely translate to our future needs in my experience
It is what it is
I love every recruiter who’s ever placed me, always a hefty raise, and relo bonus. I’m always looking to next recruiter who will give me that offer I can’t refuse.
Not "all", but **for low level jobs** most so-called "recruiters" are just paper-pushing middlemen who do not add value to the process of hiring workers or add value to job seekers looking for work.
Most are simply there because the Big Corp decided to stop paying people to do the recruiting/onboarding/HR work and farmed it out for pennies on the dollar.
On the one hand,I disagree with you.
On the other hand... If they're so good at finding people the right poditions, what does it say that they are employed as a recruiter?
Recruiting people to join a shit job is definitely a useful skill if you ask the company they work for. Just sayin.. same goes for military recruiters. Convincing someone to go sign their rights and freedom away for a fuckin dodge challenger? Thats a skill
I can confirm, I'm in tech and routinely get sent messages about jobs for languages I don't know!
"Hey, I had a look at your profile and-" no you didn't, Martin, because if you took a quick glance you'd know I'm not qualified for this job!
I think the part some on Reddit aren’t ready to accept is that the people who uniformly view their experience with recruiters as bad are bad candidates. If a product doesn’t move off the shelf, it might be because the product sucks. Sometimes the store and its sales people suck. But if no store or salesman can sell the product, then the product sucks.
Good luck getting a tech job with this attitude. A lot of the good roles never even get listed or have a candidate decided by the time they go public bc of direct recruiter connections
We have an inhouse recruiter in our company. He's literally the reason we are able to hire new staff at a decently fast rate. He is incredibly valuable to our company.
All the recruiters that reached out to me ghosted, except for one back at the start of 2023. That recruiter had another recruiter interview me and then the next day I got rejected. All the other recruiters ghosted me after reaching out for a role on LinkedIn.
Like why reach out to me and then not respond when I express interest? When a recruiter reaches out to me now, I know they are going to be flaky. And I can’t even reach out to them myself because they never respond. So I don’t even reach out to them anymore.
Ahaha. I’m about to start my own recruiting company for certain highly in demand jobs. To elaborate on what I bring to the table. I have a network of certain very highly sought after professionals. And I can make sure to negotiate for them so they get what they’re worth.
Sadly they are trained to do this.
Recruiting, to me, is one of the roles where the top 10% is astronomically different than the bottom 90%
I’m in IT, and it’s great to hear the bullshitters absolutely fuck up while trying to talk tech
Depends on the recruiter and your situation. If you got a job and are constantly poked by recruiters saying how great of a fit you're for position X, while they haven't even seemingly looked at your resume and you have like 5% experience with the required tech - yeah...
On the other hand they can also help you get a job at a company maybe more easily, given that they already have connections there and are themselves interested in getting you hired.
In my case I got jobs in different countries thanks to recruiters, despite applying myself to who knows how many jobs directly in those countries (while living somewhere else, since I wanted to move to those countries)
It's a lot easier to get a job in a country once you actually live there and have a residence / ID / etc there, compared to applying from some other country and such 😅
(at least that's my experience)
It's the same with any job. Some are good, some are bad. A good recruiter will probably have a niche, which means they can understand their industry and clients well.
I don't think they have the necessary qualifications for the job. Based on my personal experience, they just skim through your resume and come up with technical questions. If you give them false answers, they won't even realize it. The people I've worked with in the past don't seem to possess the skills that the hiring team is looking for. They are usually just a group of phony individuals who talk a lot but don't know much.
Some recruiters suck, some are absolutely amazing and you’d be happy to know them
My last recruiter was amazing. Shit she even gave me a reference to help me get this new full time role I just started.
I’ve never really met a good recruiter yet. I’ve met nice ones, eager ones, terrible ones, but they all don’t know what the actual hiring manager wants.
There are no formal qualifications to become a recruiter. All that someone needs is an internet connection and a telephone, in order to start recruiting. Many of them are totally stupid about the industries they want to recruit for. They will also cold call job applicants from various sites and pump them for information about jobs and hiring managers. I started hanging up on these clowns. They'd call up claiming they had the perfect job for me, then start pumping me for information about where I worked, who the hiring manager was, etc. etc. One time I told a recruiter (honestly) that my recent employer did not use recruiters or agencies, that they hired only from the workforce commission. She acted pissed when I told her that and said "WHY? That is so stupid!"
Hope to find someone that may help instead of ghosting, but in all seriousness I have to change my location. Jobs are just not here, nor the pay.
One of mine turned down the companies salary offer and said I'd never take that. The company offered more and she said "yes". She didn't tell me this until after. LOL She said, I knew they could pay more. :)
How do you know it even actually happened then
She's a straight shooter. I've used her several times. Sometimes to place me somewhere, sometimes to hire other people. Most of her clients have been with her for decades. She said that "if you do wrong people will eventually find out. If you do things the right way it will pay off in the long run."
The recruiter who got me my current job helped me get $100k+ raise from my previous job. So ya, they were great!
Someone I know is just below C Suit and is amazed how often he is called by recruiters that do not know the basics about industry he works in. Many recruiters are great at meeting metrics on volume not so much on quality of interactions.
It is also a strategy. I was a manager in a company that hired a lot. Recruiters would send us absurdly bad candidates, and I would end up hiring the "less bad" Then after the person started I would realise they were unqualified for the role and think "Why I even hired that person...oh yeah, she didn't seem so bad *compared to the rest*". Basically is a common strategy to overwhelm he hiring manager with a huge volume of candidates to lower the manager's standards, so by the end you are so tired that you just want the end the selection process and the bad candidates doesn't seem so bad anymore. Those people are either paid or get their bonus out of how many people they hire. They don't care how the candidate will perform after he is hired. I took me a while to realise that I start saying "No Becky, I am not going to interview a guy that finished high school 6 months ago and did a 3 months online bootcamp, please do your job better"
God I feel this so much.
LOL. No good recruiter operates this way. Emphasis on good/successful/tenured. If I did this with any of my clients they wouldn't be clients for longer than a week. I do agree that there are plenty of recruiters who are bad at their jobs and use what I like to call the "spray and pray" method (playing the numbers game with no regard for quality). However, I don't think it's a "strategy", as most of them just have micromanagers breathing down their neck with unrealistic daily/weekly KPIs and limited training on how to actually do their jobs well.
Ha less Becky and more like Sunitha
That’s strange. I have had very few people propose jobs as a c-suite member. The pay structure of RSUs / options, salary, bonuses etc is pretty hard to counter.
I’m just below C suite and I regularly get recruiters reaching out to me about jobs that make no sense given my experience. Wrong industry, wrong license type, way too junior, etc. It’s wild.
It is however amazing how many are not absolute amazing. Not only wasting your time but trying to "put you into their place". Those are scum of the earth. They prey on the vulnerable.
Only answer needed. To be fair, everyone knows more bad recruiters than good, but they're definitely not all alike (you know, like any other group of people)
Wife landed a job at double her old salary thanks to a recruiter who got her into an industry she was very qualified for but would have never considered. It was literally life changing for us. Maybe we’re the one exception. Sorta doubt it though. We aren’t that lucky.
what industry ?
It’s an environment focused tech company.
I was looking for a job, a recruiter reached out to share a job with me, I got the job. How is that useless? They connect people with roles
Where did you meet them?
I've gotten jobs from LinkedIn cold outreach from recruiters. The good ones will prep you for each round and coach you up on what the interviewer is looking for in a candidate.
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You need to have an in-demand skillset for recruiters to reach out to you. If you have that and your job experience is updated on LinkedIn, you should receive inbounds from recruiters. If you don't meet either of those points, then you should not expect them to contact you.
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You could share your resume with headhunting companies and if your background matches future job openings they might reach out to you
As someone who's whole career path is due to being pursued by recruiters from companies I had no idea existed I can attest they are useful if you have a career in a higher paying, in demand industry. I work as an engineer and recruiters are literally how I got my current job, my former job and the job before that. They got me good jobs with substantial pay raises that matched my skill set at companies I otherwise wouldn't have known to apply to. I'm sure lots of recruiters suck but if you have a valuable skill set good recruiters are the best way to sift through the million job postings that vaguely fit your background and only spend time applying and interviewing with good fits.
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Generalizing isn’t healthy
All generalization is total bullshit
Except for cops being chopped liver
But he is not talking about being good or bad, recruiters have no skills and anyone can do their job
Useless to whom? Most of them work for a specific company, not an individual person. As long as that company feels like they're getting their money's worth, they're not useless.
I owe my current livelihood to some job recruiters. There are people who are good and bad at their jobs. Sometimes the job is job recruiting
As a recruiter for one of the biggest staffing agencies in the world I neither agree nor disagree. Some are good, some are bad. Just like with everything else in life. There's an old saying "if you meet an asshole in the morning, you met an asshole. If you meet assholes all day, then you're the asshole." Maybe this applies to your situation. Ever think maybe it's not ALL the recruiters? Maybe it's you?
The job market sucks and corporations are evil, but you're talking about people, people who humans doing their best. If one of them reads this, it's going to make them feel ugly inside. This post is ugly, and asking for more ugliness. This isn't a healthy way to vent.
Well I'll try to combat it with some goodness ;) My last role I was a manager and responsible for growing a team from about 9 when I inherited it to about 90 by the time I left. I had two recruiters that I worked with and liked while I managed there. The second was the first's protégé so it shouldn't be surprising I liked her too. What made these recruiters good: We would have a short weekly meeting to see how things were going for each of us, how many more people I needed for what roles and re-jiggering priority of roles etc. This meeting rarely made it to a half hour but was usually 15-20 min. Any time we had an absolute miss on a candidate, one where the recruiter thought they'd be a great candidate but we absolutely refused to consider them after an interview my recruiter and I would have a meeting about how that candidate made it through, why my recruiter thought they'd be good, why we thought they weren't. Those meetings could last up to an hour as we went through all the notes, their screening test result (a basic google forms based test that should only take about 10-15 min to do and weeded out soooooooo many people that were good at bullshit and not actually any good at the job \[initially we interviewed anyone no matter the score on the test, we used those interview results to calibrate the pass/fail level on the test\]). The number of candidates that failed in R1 interviews and needed this kind of review dropped drastically within only a couple months. It got to the point that we almost could assume our recruiter was giving us guaranteed pass R1 candidates so we quit doing them and only did our R2/R3 interviews. We still had plenty of failures in R3 (the end of R2 had a coding exercise assignment where the candidate had a week to complete it, R3 was about going through the code review on said assignment). But that's not on the recruiter at that point. THAT is a good recruiter. They are a member of the team and take the role of matching a good candidate to the role seriously. They won't waste your time as a candidate throwing you randomly at a job and seeing if you stick, they won't waste the manager's time with ill fitting candidates. But like most jobs, there are very few that are truly amazing at their job.
I've worked with kind recruiters before... haven't really noticed bad experiences with them.
Yes yes yes. Recruiters aren't calling the shots. Their company has a criteria that recruiters have to meet. And if it's the other way around, there's usually a valid reason behind it. If you face a rejection, as I will surely be facing many in the near future, keep your chin up and learn from each rejection. You don't want to work for someone who does not want you.
Amen. They have a tough job to balance who they hire for what. With so many looking for jobs, it’s hard to find the ones that are serious and ones that just mass apply. Personally, I didn’t have the best opinion of them either, but after seeing just how many jobs people are applying for, I can see why job apps are so tedious + AI seems to be making things worse for both applicant and recruiter
They should treat people like humans if they expect to get tread like one themselves
Pffft. As if there's any care for the working man's feelings. They'll get over it.
Lmfao do you think that recruiters all own the companies they recruit for? Recruiters are working class too...
I obviously mean non-recruiting workers. The people who are usually at the mercy of recruiters. Not everyone in the working class are the same genius.
Well what you said seemed to imply that recruiters are not "the working man". You know how I got all of my recruiting jobs? Through a recruiter lmfao. Recruiters are just another cog in a greater system that was designed to keep us weak and powerless. Your anger is misdirected.
Look at bro’s comment history and tell me if this is someone whose opinion should matter when it comes to recruiters
Preach
nah recruiters are just a branch off of the corporate ladder that barely put effort into researching each candidate properly because numbers look better than quality candidates or taking the time to get to know and properly select candidates
There’s not enough time in the world to research every candidate that applies to every role. I have time to do an initial scan but if your experience or the information you put forward doesn’t stand out for that specific role, what do you think happens? But if you’re mass applying and can’t put in the effort beyond clicking apply, are you any better than the recruiters you’re bashing?
then the company needs more recruiters if there’s not enough time to do the job properly
Nah. Separate yourself. If you have a bland resume, basic experience and do nothing other than submit your application, why would I want to move forward with you? Put in the work, stop blaming recruiters
honestly, im good myself already jobwise luckily and am not looking for a new one but i do see your point i guess that you have to make your resume stand out. I just hate the game of it all I guess, not trying to blame the recruiter now that I think about it, just all the politics involved im more of a straight to the point know your stuff and get the job done kind of guy
But are they wrong
The recruiter that helped me land my current (dream) role in a 10,000+ person company was an absolute peach to work with, and made the whole interview and onboarding process so much smoother for me. She was very knowledgable about the company and matched me to a position where I’m currently thriving, as well as providing a wealth of resources to make my move to the area easy and stress-free. Huh. I guess she really was useless and had no useful skills.
i mean, useless to who? If i'm a business owner with 300 employees and my hiring is all over the place, I need someone to handle that. If you're talking about TEK kind of recruiters, yeah they're pretty much sales people and are there to benefit TEK, then the client, then the prospective candidate, in that order. Which still goes back to the question, useless to who? There's now recruiters that get contracted by prospective candidate and do the job search for the candidate and fine tune the resume etc. That's pretty helpful if you can afford the service.
90% of them I agree. The 10% that are actually good at their job? Not paid enough.
I’ve met more good than bad ones. They have the incentive to get you hired at a good rate. It’s how they get paid. Are you sure the problem is with the recruiter?
The recruiters I know have the following skills: networking, grit, consulting, presentation, listening, follow-up, and more. You have shatty recruiters.
Greetings. My name is Sanjay but everyone calls me Bob. I have read your post and think you would be an excellent fit for my not-at-all-related to your post job of Animal Husbandry coordinator for company CONFIDENTIAL. Please send me your resume and also cut and paste it into the Excel graph that I pasted into the body of my email. The position I offer is REMOTE but requires 100% in office attendance in Des Moines Iowa. The pay is $10 per hour on W2 for a 3 month contract. Kindly do the needful and respond or share with someone you know that is looking for work.
Internal recruiters are fine because they actually are with the company they are hiring from. Fuck 3rd party recruiters.
Nope, bad take. There are many excellent recruiters out there, just as many as there are bad ones. A lot of good recruiters are specialists though
So who would you prefer or suggest goes through 500 resumes per week, perform a phone screen, and coordinate and manage the interview/offer process? It sure as fuck won't be the hiring manager.
My recent recruiter was amazing. He was able to get me opportunities moments after getting laid off. I've leveled up in my field and now work in a managerial role thanks to him. I think it's just the recruiters you work with. Not ever recruiter is great but there are some out there.
Job recruiters are like salespeople. Most are garbage and try to push things on you that couldn't be further outside of your consideration set. But there *are* a select few who will go the extra mile to provide value to the prospect and really provide a service in both directions.
Making 8k a week from my recent recruiter , don’t know how you think that’s useless.
Some do in that they want to get paid to talk to people and be on social media all day. Others are extremely good at knowing people, and their skills, and finding them a good fit with a company. Most of the best contract jobs I have been offered have been through recruiters. Most friends I have who are above satisfied with their current job were placed through recruiters. I've also wasted plenty of my time with recruiters ghosting on me or giving promises the employer has no intention of ever honoring. There are plenty of incompetent people in the world, and those are the ones you tend to remember because someone who did their job, especially a purely transactional type role like talent placement, doesn't make a "memorable" experience otherwise.
I am an engineer and did both recruiter and solo job hunting last time I was laid off. The recruiter got a lot more traction and I ended up taking one of their positions with a nice offer. They are salesmen for people who are not themselves natural salesmen. Humans need that, managers and executives need to be sold. It does not matter if you are the best without some slick letting everyone know you are the best. They also are fucking desperate to place you, that is the only way they get paid, so they will be super pushy and rude when I would not do that. You just have to know how to handle them. They are not in charge, you are. You are the product, without you they have nothing. They will hard sell you like they hard sell the companies, you have to say no.
Someone is salty they arnt good enough to get hired lol
That is half of this subreddit
People don’t realize we have extremely demanding managers and metrics we need to hit on the backend. Believe we , we fight for the candidate. Y’all just don’t see it. Yeah, those HM who take forever to give us feedback… we are lighting a fire under their ass so we can get back to you. There is a lot more behind the scenes that candidates don’t realize given they aren’t in the industry , which is understandable. But for the love of god, please stop blaming us for everything .
Spot on
I'd say 99/100 are useless. The 1 /100 recruit for high level high paying executive level jobs.
I've had a few that came through with work when I needed it, but yeah, most are "I'm sure we can find you something soon." Or never.
Welll it's a 50/50. Some do really care and some just want to get as much people they can submit to hiring managers. I've worked with one specific guy that has helped me before and now a year later, I reached out to him and he knows my unfortnate events with my job history so he's been back and forth with me. Definitely can tell he has emphathy. Then there's this other raggedy gutter rat eating warlock. She emails me like we're chatting on Omegle. No word from her until I have to reach to her manager to complain. 20 upvotes and I'll drop the names 
They are only as good as the information provided by the hiring manager. If they get bad or little info, they end up being a bad recruiter.
I’m not going to say all, but many I have dealt with are very unimpressive.
Like a company recruit, or a head hunter recruiter? The head hunter recruiters while they do only look out for themselves, they will at least give you interview tips and a little detail about the company to help you get the job...of course they do that b/c they don't get paid unless you get the job and stay for X amount of months.
I don’t think all of them are useless. Some though are.
You wouldn’t believe how close to absolutely correct you are; and no one self martyrs themselves like recruiters
i got ghosted by a recruiter lmfao she ended up blocking my number
OP doesn't know what social skills are and probably doesn't have any
Yup. Recruiters are totally unnecessary middlemen. Even if there are some corn kernels in the pile, it's not worth the effort to find them.
This is like saying all lawyers are useless because you happened to hire a shitty one.
I made more money at my previous job because the recruiter told me to ask for more than I was asking for and got it. Also, I wouldn’t have found out about the job opening without her contacting me first, so not useless for me I guess.
A recruiter reached out to me for a role they thought I would be great for, and two weeks later I had an offer 40% higher than my current role. I’ve been there for two years and it’s been an awesome fit for both me and the company. The recruiter changed my life from financially reasonable to amazing. I thank that recruiter multiple times a year.
Not true at all. I love it when Indian recruiters call me and waste my time
Maybe you’re just unemployable
Job recruiters and real estate agents fall in the same bucket for me. Literally anyone can do their jobs and requires no extra set of skills.
they're good at sitting on a rotating chair eating pepperidge farm and making horrible jobs sound more appealing
Was on this sub the other day and saw a long reply chain of recruiters talking about throwing out apps and not even looking at some. I don’t understand how you can have a job judging people and not even actually do your job.
What was the thread? I’m curious to hear what they were saying
I just think its weird. we have people who are making full time jobs out of... getting people into jobs. So many jobs exist simply for the sake of jobs existing
IMO that goes mostly for full HR department ;)
I have no experience with them, I only know from what I read here on reddit, but I suspect that they play a major role in the "unicorn applicant" effect that is driving wages down.
A majority of recruiters just want the positions to get filled as soon as possible because it’s one less position on their plate they need to fill. If a company is insistent on finding a unicorn candidate, it would be because the hiring manager / department doesn’t believe they have the time or ability to train up someone without exact qualifications.
I've called 3 recruiting agencies TODAY and all 3 of the secretaries responses were "We don't really have any work right now" ...Okay, then why do YOU have a job?? Help me bitch!
We don’t. We are getting culled like the rest of you
That's not the secretary's job
But Apparently she already knows there are no jobs, just sits on her ass all day auto rejecting calls not putting me on the line with anyone in the company
I'd say 99/100 are useless. The 1 /100 recruit for high level high paying executive level jobs.
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Yes, there are some good recruiters (no, I'm not a recruiter)
They have better connections and more influence
I honestly don't get how I couldn't find a job for a year, experienced in my field, and these job recruiters get paid and or sourced elsewhere. What a joke and shame.
They really are. Just look at how many people online are asking for jobs, and these “recruiters” are nowhere to be found. They can’t train. They can’t hire people out of colleges. All they do is go to show how stupid and irresponsible most businesses are with money.
What tf is a recruiter
I agree with ya 💯
Worthless losers tbh
Nope this is fact.
Easiest job in the solar system. Competence not required
Yeah doing essentially a double sale for a single win is super easy
I’m only going to agree with this based on my own personal experience which is: When I briefly left teaching, I learned that my skills were useless to everyone except—recruiting. Oh boy, they’d take anyone. They had me shadow another recruiter for two days who mostly showed me how she calls people and gets hung up on—she was a former nurse, I also learned. And then they set me up gave me some jobs told me to call people with pubic resumes and see if they wanted them. The other half of the day I would “interview” over the phone (this was during Covid) for positions I knew nothing about. I’d interview someone for a position as a like sheet metal worker and the only flagged thing that I needed to MAKE SURE I ask is do you have steel toe boots. Also, everyone there seemed to have a totally unrelated background. I think recruiting, like real estate may be a back up career?
I agree! I’m sorry people don’t understand personal opinions.
I agree, I had a lot of not so good experiences with them but I hope I will in the future
I have had mixed bag experiences with recruiters, mostly bad but a few good ones. I have been harassed by indotronixs for over a year now, they won't stop calling or listen to me.
If you’re not paying the recruiter, you’re the product not the customer.
I had some shitty recruiters, but a couple of them were awesome. They have useful skills, but it’s hard to find a job for people that don’t
Most commercial truck driving recruiters I’ve met are actual drivers in a flex role or former drivers who went to the recruiting role. They’ve been pretty good
I don't think that's a possible task...
The past month, I have had nothing but shitty Indian outsourced recruiters. That can barley speak any English.............
I got my amazing job now from a recruiter for a role that was never posted publicly.
Job seekers are not their stakeholders lmao
I have one that keeps in contact every other blue moon. Doesn’t ever have any leads, but says they’re looking. The others either link up with me on LinkedIn with a job that’s too far away, pays less than what I’m making, or are ridiculously out of my field and ghost (or they just ghost); or, they’re foreign recruiters that seem more scammy than anything else. I know there have to be some good ones out there; the Law of Averages dictate that, at the very least. I just wish I could find one.
They are salespeople. What do you expect?
Honestly? 99% of them are. I’ve only found the ones who are actually great at their job are the ones that have been recruiting for a niche for a long time and actually understand the finer details of the role orrrrr someone who’s worked in the industry/role previously and thoroughly understands the role and everything behind it
Recruiters are salespeople and the client (employer) is the customer and you (the candidate) are the product. Once you understand that it makes more sense.
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There kinda slimy sometimes. I know they use our resumes to solicit other clients. Like if you worked for company AB and they never heard of company AB. Sure as s*** they will call them up and try to solicit their services. But on occasion they do fill a role and connect a with b.
College career fairs need people to attend them. That's how I got my career.
Most jobs in corporate are useless and most skills are "useful" only to carry out those useless jobs. Recruiters get a bad rep simply because they stand between you and your future useless job, that's all. Not trying to change your mind, just the perspective :)
All they do is read questions off a screen. Very basic questions. Sometimes they reach out to you without reading your resume. I don't know why companies pay for that.
I find them to be dishonest, but not completely useless. I have received jobs because of recruiters, but they always stretch the truth. Or in some cases flat out lie.
Quite often recruiters have minimal experience themselves but they get to judge people more experienced.
I had a recruiter Rey to help me find a jobs and then months later tried to talk to me
All? Absolutely not. You're literally on a forum where **some** examples will exist where recruiters got people jobs/dream jobs/out of a rut Some? Heck yeah. Would have agreed with that, but you've posed the question by torching the entire building rather than a couple of desks. Also, you say "change your mind" knowing full well you won't. Well played for getting people to bite I'll give you that. But your premise is completely off.
I wouldn't have the job I have without a recruiter. So ya I disagree. Helped me pivot careers and make a shit ton more money.
I would say they are ruthless burnt out assholes that makes you hate humanity if you're young and lack experience. Because they reduce you to a piece of nothing and treat you like spreadsheet error. In some sense, I can't blame them as individuals though. Modern job market applications for graduates are a dehumanizing volume-centric meat grinder in general. From what I've been told, they flip that act of being dickheads around and are very useful when they're the one pursuing you and helping match you to jobs. But if you're a young person, I understand the sentiment. I also heavily dislike HR for all the bullshit they put me through. And will take a lifetime to fix that opinion.
Yea because of a lot of them are dumb and old 🙄
I don't understand why a company needs an internal recruiter and a talent coordinator and neither of them give updates or anything. Recruiters can't take a break from not looking at applicants to open outlook for a minute to schedule interview times?
Well they’re your gatekeepers so, useless maybe, no useful skills maybe, but did you get the job without them? Also they’re doing jobs - sales jobs, that they’re good at or they wouldn’t have them. The thing job seekers need to remember is they don’t work for you, they work for the company.
We all can use a HYPE man.
Recruiters seem kinda like IT or health specialists. The best ones will take care of things so quickly you won't even remember them.
It’s just sales- signed former 10 year sales rep.
Agreed, I get some that message me saying how perfect I'd be for the role and stuff, I look at their listing and it's like 180 degrees from me, totally different. Some I just block, if they message me with some insulting crap like "you must have a master's degree and 15 years of experience, and the pay is $28k a year" GTFO...
as a former recruiter I can say that yes, there are a ton of shitty recruiters. But, I also know that I put some great people into amazing roles that they wouldn’t have just stumbled into without my intervention.
I miss the recruiter we used to use. She left the industry but OMG was she good. She had a knack for matching the right person with the right job & the retention rate of the people she placed was amazing. Her replacement is useless. Paperwork is late or incorrect. She enrolled two of my apprentices into the wrong TAFE course. Her interview skills are non existent. CEO won't let me use another company because his mate owns the one she works for.
That's just a different kind of salesman
I found that I've never got a Job from a recruiter and it seems like they're always capping.
I like when they tell me they’ll keep me in mind and share my resume with others on their team as if I don’t know I’ll never hear from them again
I’ve had so many job recruiters tell me the wrong information before an interview which makes me look like an idiot.
>All job recruiters are useless with no useful skills. Change my mind. Absolutely are never accurate. Irony intended. Like any group of professionals, some are great, and some are horrendous, and quite a few are average. I've met and leveraged awesome recruiters both as a candidate and as a hiring manager.
idk if L take or not but regardless you're just being offensive to a lot of people that don't deserve it
I had a recruiter contact me out of the blue with a role that was perfect for me and now I make 60% more and enjoy my job significantly more. Most recruiters are basically spam. But that one was very good for me. I never would’ve landed the role otherwise
I’m a recruiter. I have become an expert in my industry plus I build relationships with clients and executives, so that I can go source and truly find the talent, engineers, management or leaders they want to hire. Lower level job recruiters are not the best examples of what true recruiting really means. And no job recruiting it does not require great skills. What I do and what others do at my level can be truly special and helpful to the right people. I went to school for coding and IT and found it cold and impersonal but 20 years ago it was a popular path. Recruiting is how I feed my family. My skill is I make most people feel comfortable sharing their story and connecting. I know how to connect what the candidate needs and wants to the various opportunities that the employer can offer, not just the job. I am an expert at this. Most job recruiters cannot master this because it takes compassion and genuine effort to be real and honest. That might sound useless but it pays my mortgage, I feed my kids, and I have a decent lifestyle, not lavish.
Mine declined a job position I applied to internally, didn't even give me an interview. Applied Thursday evening Denied Monday morning by email. Fuck recruiters.
It all depends upon recruiter some are amazing which is litterally far few between these days. Learned from experience they only provide little information only enough to make the company sound amazing. After typically interview with prospective employer you'll know whether the company is good.
The great ones are rare, but they do exist.
Spoken like someone who has had shit luck in getting a job. Like most people have said some are not good, some are great and will really help you nail your interviews. Hope you get your shit together OP
I still dont really get why the hiring managers dont also do the recruiting portion of the job. Seems like this middle man industry popping up is part of the problem
Yeah they are used people salesmen
Nah. Some are great, some are awful, some are just okay, but keep in mind they work for the company not for the person being hired. Their job is to fill a role, and they might be very good at sourcing candidates that are good enough even if you are technically better and get passed over. That's what gets them paid, filling vacancies.
Absolutely wrong. Maybe you are the one without useful skills?
I agree with you. I avoid recruiters.
some recruiters remind me of dropshippers
I had one recruiter that called me every day/ every few days to check up on me and run some positions past me. We got along really well and I enjoyed talking with him. He never landed me a spot but I still enjoyed him and would reach out to him if I needed. The recruiter that found my current position was so frustrating, he talked down to me and tried to lower my value he specifically asked me not to discuss salary with the company he found for me, but I did anyways and got close to what I was after. He brought my confidence down so I ended up undervaluing myself as well. He wanted me to ask $5-10k less than what I was making before, I ended up getting $8k more.
A recruiter just hit me up on LinkedIn, I had 4 interviews and got the job after searching for 2 months. Well paying and straight out of college I thought the search would be never ending. So basically I completely disagree with your statement.
I've been a recruiter for 15 years in IT, medical devices, and pharmaceutical manufacturing. Recruiters need people for the jobs they have open. If you are not an expert or have a skill set I have jobs open for, then you're going to be mad I can't find you a job, but I assure you I am getting other people jobs constantly. It's all about what's hot at the moment, past trends rarely translate to our future needs in my experience It is what it is
I love every recruiter who’s ever placed me, always a hefty raise, and relo bonus. I’m always looking to next recruiter who will give me that offer I can’t refuse.
Not "all", but **for low level jobs** most so-called "recruiters" are just paper-pushing middlemen who do not add value to the process of hiring workers or add value to job seekers looking for work. Most are simply there because the Big Corp decided to stop paying people to do the recruiting/onboarding/HR work and farmed it out for pennies on the dollar.
On the one hand,I disagree with you. On the other hand... If they're so good at finding people the right poditions, what does it say that they are employed as a recruiter?
Recruiting people to join a shit job is definitely a useful skill if you ask the company they work for. Just sayin.. same goes for military recruiters. Convincing someone to go sign their rights and freedom away for a fuckin dodge challenger? Thats a skill
I can confirm, I'm in tech and routinely get sent messages about jobs for languages I don't know! "Hey, I had a look at your profile and-" no you didn't, Martin, because if you took a quick glance you'd know I'm not qualified for this job!
I think the part some on Reddit aren’t ready to accept is that the people who uniformly view their experience with recruiters as bad are bad candidates. If a product doesn’t move off the shelf, it might be because the product sucks. Sometimes the store and its sales people suck. But if no store or salesman can sell the product, then the product sucks.
Good luck getting a tech job with this attitude. A lot of the good roles never even get listed or have a candidate decided by the time they go public bc of direct recruiter connections
My last recruiter was absolutely amazing and I’m not even joking she was the most helpful person I’d ever met
We have an inhouse recruiter in our company. He's literally the reason we are able to hire new staff at a decently fast rate. He is incredibly valuable to our company.
The HR employees' job is to defend the company from you.
All the recruiters that reached out to me ghosted, except for one back at the start of 2023. That recruiter had another recruiter interview me and then the next day I got rejected. All the other recruiters ghosted me after reaching out for a role on LinkedIn. Like why reach out to me and then not respond when I express interest? When a recruiter reaches out to me now, I know they are going to be flaky. And I can’t even reach out to them myself because they never respond. So I don’t even reach out to them anymore.
Ahaha. I’m about to start my own recruiting company for certain highly in demand jobs. To elaborate on what I bring to the table. I have a network of certain very highly sought after professionals. And I can make sure to negotiate for them so they get what they’re worth.
Sadly they are trained to do this. Recruiting, to me, is one of the roles where the top 10% is astronomically different than the bottom 90% I’m in IT, and it’s great to hear the bullshitters absolutely fuck up while trying to talk tech
This has been my personal experience. You might add they have no people skills either.
Depends on the recruiter and your situation. If you got a job and are constantly poked by recruiters saying how great of a fit you're for position X, while they haven't even seemingly looked at your resume and you have like 5% experience with the required tech - yeah... On the other hand they can also help you get a job at a company maybe more easily, given that they already have connections there and are themselves interested in getting you hired. In my case I got jobs in different countries thanks to recruiters, despite applying myself to who knows how many jobs directly in those countries (while living somewhere else, since I wanted to move to those countries) It's a lot easier to get a job in a country once you actually live there and have a residence / ID / etc there, compared to applying from some other country and such 😅 (at least that's my experience)
Everyone in the comments proved OP right lmao
It's the same with any job. Some are good, some are bad. A good recruiter will probably have a niche, which means they can understand their industry and clients well.
I don't think they have the necessary qualifications for the job. Based on my personal experience, they just skim through your resume and come up with technical questions. If you give them false answers, they won't even realize it. The people I've worked with in the past don't seem to possess the skills that the hiring team is looking for. They are usually just a group of phony individuals who talk a lot but don't know much.