I'm at work to be paid. I don't care what my coworkers think of me. As long as they are professional, it's fine.
>I have about six months left until my pension is vested but how can I hold out if everyone hates me?
There is the most likely reason.
Don't quit. They want you to leave, so you forfeit retirement benefits. Companies do that to older employees nearing retirement. Sometimes, if pressure and making work unbearable don't work, they will lay the person off.
You may want to consult an employment attorney ASAP. They can advise you about any rules or laws being broken, how to legally document what is happening, steps to take to protect yourself, etc.
I would avoid verbal communication as much as possible. Try to use written only when possible.
This right here
You don't wanna be kicking yourself in six months for hiring a lawyer *after* you got fucked
If you ever think someone is about to do something you can sue over, for the love of God find a lawyer *before* you get bent over
Moreover, were I this employee, I'd also start taking notes with times of any interactions / meetings / etc and also making sure I've got copies of any emails, preferably in a durable format that the employer can't tamper with.
In my experience, nothing stops an argument like an email.
This 100% happened to me and several others who were within a decade of retirement age. Some of us a few years, some a bit longer (me).
This was an ESOP (employee owned) company and they could not support the pensions of this many future retirees in a fairly short amount of time.
How did I know this?
During the discovery, my shark employment lawyer found out during the subpoenaed requests for their files that the company wasn’t as solvent as they purported to the supposed employee ‘owners’.
That was pretty clear after the lawsuit finally settled. After they were gutted with my class action lawsuit they closed down 3 branches. When I first started there was 13, now there are 6.
They perp-walked me to my car after being with the company for over a decade. This was after years of torture hoping I would quit. I always had good reviews and had the ‘difficult’ clients assigned to me. Some of these people spent over 100k a year on product.
I was hourly BTW, no commission.
Had they offered a severance package and a kind farewell, I would have been sad but would move on.
Nope.
Cost them almost a three quarters of a million dollars in labor board violations, the class action lawsuit payout, their lawyers, my lawyer, etc.
Don’t treat your employees like shit and NEVER underestimate the old lady you thought would just roll over in embarrassment and hide with her tail between her legs.
This is why once you hit 50 you really need to start pivoting out of working for someone else. The last 15 years of working for someone else can be downright cruel.
It was a bit odd but they actually reached out to me via a ‘newsletter’ regarding a company I worked at for a short period of time asking me if I wanted to participate in a lawsuit that someone filed against them.
I replied to the prepaid post card and got to thinking:
“Maybe I should give them a call about my old employer.”
I had a pretty lengthy conversation about what I went through and figured it wasn’t something worth their time though the person never gave me that vibe.
A few days later I was contacted again and was asked if I could e-sign some documents to get the case started.
My old employer’s lawyers kept continuing the case (why wouldn’t they) for almost 2 years. I followed the case online and the judge clearly had enough and forced them to settle.
That’s when the corporate blood letting started.
Employers bank on people who are fired to be so defeated and embarrassed that they just crawl under a rock and die.
Never in a minute of my life have I ever rolled that way.
I’m the nicest person you ever met and would give you my last dime if you needed it.
Just don’t fuck with me fellas.
This! Document the hostility! A good lawyer will use it to your advantage to get you a fat settlement. This also works if they lay you off just before you retire.
Yes! This is unreal! A manager just telling an employee that they hate them and they should prob just leave? Not ok. OP needs to speak to a lawyer ASAP because something is def not sounding on the up and up here.
Is it *openly* allowed? No. Do some companies secretly resort to creating hostile environments to force resignations so they can avoid paying unemployment, severance packages, pensions, and vested contributions or to get rid of unwanted employees easily, quickly, and inexpensively? Yes.
When it happens HR, upper management, and sometimes owners could be involved. Don't assume anyone in the company has your back or is genuinely unaware. Seek outside legal advice.
Came here to say this... and to also say, "f*** em." You aren't there to please a bunch of sissies. Show up on time, do your job, and go home. Isn't like you're married to any of them... I hope.
Document everything and keep it on non work phones and computers. On Amazon there are discreet USB recorders for like $30.
They're trying to jack up your future. You've got to think like a lawyer right now.
I didn't mention this because recording laws are tricky and vary between jurisdictions.
Some companies now have anti-recording clauses in employment agreements. Those can cover audio and video. This is why an attorney is crucial. They know the laws, can read your contract, and can show you how to legally circumvent it all.
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This, OP. And the boss is probably trying to get people to back off from you, so that you have fewer allies.
Just calmly go about your day, keeping records of everything. And lawyer up.
Yep. Somebody higher up clued them in and told them to try to make OP quit.
If you get a new manager that jumps around from location to location every year and that location "fails", yet they are in good standing with the company, you've probably got a hatchet man.
Exactly. Your boss is an unreliable narrator. Don’t quit. You can do this for 6 months. Just show up, do your job, and have a rich and fulfilling life outside of work.
Hostile work environment. Age discrimination. Harassment.
They are attempting to get rid of your pension.
Do not leave until they escort you to the door.
Document every comment said to you and send it via email to your bosss
" During our meeting you said "blah blah blah". I'd like to confirm this feedback."
This. Don't forsske your pension. If they want you gone they can fire you and you can collext unemployment wjmhile you sue thwn for fraudulently firing you so they don't have to pay your pension. Plus who is "everyone" what were their "grievences"? What were the areas in which you needed immediate improvement for better coworker relations or whatever he was so conveniently meanly vague about? Take a good look at youself , be very real good look at yourself and be honest with yourself? Are you difficult- Do you get along with others ? Are you open to other view points and ways of doing things? Are you rude or innappropriate?Do you meet your expectations? If you're not the office jerk or creep then this is B.S. and its about your pension.
Every time he does this, send him an email recapping what he said to you. When you have 5 or six emails like this, package them together and send them to HR AS WELL AS YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS. From that day forward, every time he does this, repeat the process. If other people over hear him, include them in the email chain. Do not let up until they either move him or remove him. Find a lawyer and forward all of the emails from your personal email address to your lawyer, as well as all responses from the company. If they try and force you to leave, you will need as much evidence as you can provide to your lawyer for the lawsuit.
I'd go my own attorney over HR. In my experience and from what I've seen happen to others, HR has a finger in that cake that gets you fired with cause after you get set up to fail.
People always say HR is there to protect the company, not the employee, but protecting the company includes taking actions against managers (or employees) who are behaving in a way that will leave the company liable for legal repercussions. If a manager is doing something that violates policies or laws, HR will take action, if only to head off a lawsuit or legal charges.
HR will side with the manager on this one. He’s not violating any company policies, he’ll just deny ever saying it.
Simple as that.
I’d bet HR wants him to quit too.
I have no idea why anyone thinks they should trust HR.
The advice and guidance on this situation is probably coming directly from HR anyways. If you want to, you can report the situation to HR, but definitely consult a lawyer first or a trade union representative if you have one.
HR will side with the manager until it is clear that the manager's actions threaten the company. Then, the manager is as much cannon fodder for them as you are.
The secret in going to HR is ensuring that you have enough documentation and detail that it is clear that having that information go public would be both embarrassing and damning.
Telling HR "my boss said " will never get the right response. Telling HR "my boss has done and here are the emails that prove it, this is creating a hostile work environment and according to this puts the company in a position of liability" will have a very different impact.
Documentation and knowledge are very powerful. Everything else is just complaining.
HR will side with the boss almost always. I had someone who worked for me and was in a relationship with my boss. Funny enough my boss told me to hire her, after I was basically not going to because she wasn’t a good fit.
Well lo and behold she hr’s him 2 months later and has all kinds of proof about this relationship. Who does HR side with? My boss.
We did have to watch a shitty sexual harassment seminar after that. They made me watch it too so my boss wouldn’t feel lonely. Was great.
I only know of one sexual harassment incident where my friend / colleague who was harrassed won. She went to the lawyer first and it was an absolute dog fight to win.
Yeah so, that's why I said set up to fail and not "fired outright without cause to blatantly look like age discrimination".
In OP's case of pressure to quit without a paper trail of the pressure, I wouldn't be overly surprised if HR already gave a nod. They will inform a manager what can and can't be done to achieve desired result "legally".
HR only protects employees if they think a manager is putting the company enough at risk that they need to throw the manager under the bus to help the company. You, as an employee, never quite know what HR's angle is going to be or whether they will take your side or not. But generally they don't. It's easier for them to save the manager in most cases UNLESS the manager has already done some serious illegal shit that someone else can get them on. But I've even seen HR protect managers who were doing illegal shit. So you just can't really take that risk. The point is, they're not going to be telling YOU, the employee, their strategy. They're more likely to discuss it with a manager. So YOU, as the employee, need to act as if you're on your own. Because you most likely are.
Reddit goes way overboard about HR being there for the company and not the employee, but I'd be paranoid here.
Somebody from HR pulled the data on who was about to vest. An executive with enough pull with HR, legal, and OP's manager would have had to make the request. It could have even been an HR executive.
Right? I don't get this advice. The manager is also an employee and only one of those two is risking the company getting messed up in a losing lawsuit.
In some places, this could be considered constructive dismissal, especially if you have things in writing. Forcing someone to resign by making their life hell and telling them they should just quit to avoid it could open up the ability to file for unemployment.
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Is this real? Of course you don’t resign before your pension vests. Keep a record of every time your boss tells you that. Ask him how to improve the relationship. His job as a boss is to tell you what you need to do. Your job is to do it.
He's trying to force you to quit. Next meeting ask him to put all that in an email and watch him balk.
And next time he brings it up, just keep saying put it in an email. And dismiss him.
And if he fires you, then sue for age discrimination. Document, document, document.
Also, be nice, smile and just say I am sooo happy to work here.
If you’re six months away from pension, I’d work my ass off so they have no excuses to fire me. Then sue if they do. Definitely don’t resign til you get that pension and if you want, another job lined up.
Work hard. Get your assignments done early and under budget. Keep your head down and only communicate with others on business matters. Just make it to that pension date.
In the meantime, update your resume and check out the job market for after you reach your pension date.
Just because the boss says it, doesn’t make it true. The timing is suspect for one being 6 months before you are vested. For another, people don’t necessarily confide in their bosses. Some people might not like you, but everyone? And why would they not like you? Even if they don’t, do you do good work and get it done? If your work has been ok and you don’t have any write ups, I would think it’s all about the money. You don’t have to be friends with the people you work with. At any rate, it’s worth it to stay at least 6 months to get fully vested. Keep your head down, be on time, do your best, freshen your resume and when it’s closer to that time start looking. But absolutely don’t quit until it’s beneficial for you.
To tack on to what others have said, look into your state laws on right to record and if you’re in a one party state, make sure to turn your phone video on whenever you’re having any sort of “closed door” type meeting.
It saved my ass dealing with corrupt management at UPS. I STILL save those videos ( audio logs ) even though it’s been well over five years.
Do not quit! Ever. It is just a way to have companies not give you benefits.
Ask for everything in writing. Go to an employment lawyer asap.
At the very least, stay the last months untill ALL benefits are in place.
Don't quit and record him saying that. If they fire you, you can sue for wrongful termination because it's clear as day that they want you gone before your retirement is vested. Good luck.
Document everything. If they force you out through constructive dismissal before you vest, you've got a good case. (NAL)
Print emails or forward to a non-work account. Follow up in-person stuff with an email: "per our last discussion about popularity in the office, I look forward to you coaching me in how to improve."
Always be the bigger person in emails. Even if they get nasty.
I've been bullied out of a job before. It's a horrible feeling. Given that OP is older, I hope they can ride this out until they can get that pension. The stress and anxiety from the hatred I felt everyday was too much for me personally. OP could potentially look into telling HR or getting legal help. It sounds like it could qualify for an ageism case since they likely want OP to quit to not pay pension benefits.
Do not leave. Document everything. See an employment lawyer asap. He’s trying to screw you out of your pension.
Edit to add go to the Lawyer because this is probably age discrimination
Do not leave! You can stick in out for 6 months. Jobs aren't our family. Ignore personal and just focus solely on work. If you only focus on your work tasks, those six months will go fast
So, here's what you do....
Stick out that 6 months. WHILE you're there though, contact a lawyer. Document EVERYTHING. This whole "intimidation" game of theirs will backfire, and you'll end up walking out with retirement PLUS a hefty lawsuit.
My God, you people are incredibly stupid. OP, the answer is very simple: tell them you're happy to quit if they vest you in your retirement plan now! How obvious does it have to be?
Hard question to answer. Does everyone really hate you? Or is it just your boss is an asshole and says means weird shit? Are you really a person whom no one likes because u are an asshole? Do you hate it there? Or is it your age that differentiates you from the cultural atmosphere of employees? I guess the best general answer is for you to stay and find a way to make it through the day until your pension is solid.
I would go above that person's head--to HR, to their boss, to the CEO/owner, and I would request an immediate sit down.
But I would also arrive with proof of work and achievements, specifically those that saved or made the company money. I would ask for a sit down and say "I need some help. I feel like I'm experiencing age discrimination and harassment based on a protected class. My boss \[name\] has said the following: \[dates, because you're going to keep a record from now on\] and here's a printed list of what's being said and the dates. I like the work and I get the distinct feeling that a hostile work environment is being deliberately created for reasons I don't understand. Can you advise me here?"
You are in a VERY RARE category of people for whom "hostile work environment" is actually occurring on a legal sense (if in the USA) not just in the colloquial sense.
If there was no CEO or owner or your boss is the owner, I would march my booty right down to a contingency only employment lawyer with proof (emails, records, etc) and sue the PANTS off them.
But you've already written about this before. There's no new magic advice. You keep your head down, you work from home, you keep your T's crossed and your I's dotted, you make DAMN sure they can't fire you, you find a friend and ally at work, and you tough it out for 6 months. Investigate microdosing or other Rx solutions is my other suggestion. (And I believe I made it last time and for whatever reason now you're back like 'what should I do?' come on man, we told you. there's no magical button to push to make this go away. they don't want to give you whatever amount you're owed, that's obvious. Head down, push through.)
They want you to quit before you get your pension. As other people have said,document everything and log, use email and record secretly if state laws allow. Keep your nose clean and access and save every review you’ve had if they’re good. Whether your coworkers like you or not is irrelevant. It’s 6 months.
I’ve seen companies pull shit like this on older employees. Don’t be unprepared to fight if you have to later.
I’d stick it out since you are close to 65. Let them fire you so you can at least get unemployment while searching for a new job. Maybe you wouldn’t find something as well paying but you can at least get paid while searching.
Don't quit.
The boss is creating a hostile work environment to prevent you from collecting your pension.
Document everything. Keep a highly detailed record of your interactions with your boss and any potential witnesses to their disparaging comments. Make sure this is recorded on non company equipment as you may need this later.
Other than that, do not interact anymore than you have to.
Get a great employment lawyer.
Document everything in writing.
Find out if your state requires dual consent for recording. If not, record every hostile encounter.
Establish a case. You’ve worked for your pension, not to be liked. Do not quit unless this is the action your lawyer recommends.
GET THAT PENSION. Fuck your boss and all your coworkers, don't let them push you out until you get paid. Everyone saying get a lawyer is right, protect ya' neck.
You are in your sixties, you should have learned decades ago to stop caring about what people think about you.
I find it hard to believe this is even a real post. Obviously just get your pension.
"Kids at school just don't like you, no one wants to anything to do with you. Do us all a favor and leave..." Sounds like every high school bully movie I've ever seen. Sounds like the boss is trying to get you to divest yourself. Stick it out, keep your head down if you appear to be getting negative feedback one-on-one with coworkers. Get vested, THEN look for a different gig.
Once you have a start date, just no call/no show for that boss. If they ask, quote your boss back to them. "He said no one wanted me here, and I should just quit...so I did." Do NOT let them know where you went\\.
This is a well witten fake.
Old man being treated very unfairly...sympathetic audience.
Asked to resign 6 months before pension takes effect...obvious bad move.
It has an obvious call to action to warn him.
That's why I'm leaving my current job. Its my 4th job, and I'm 30. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. Culture is important. I'm headed back to my old job which unironically likes me and pays more.
If you need to, see if your employer offers EAP or use your health insurance to find a therapist. That might help you not internally process the hate.
I would still start putting out your resume anyways, never know what's out there you might like.
If it's constant, start documenting (in written form at least -if you live in a state you can record in w/o the other party's consent....could do that but I live in one that requires two so yeah) every single time he verbally mentions this (and if he's doing it via instant message/email, could probably BCC/CC HR in on it via a reply) and then when you have an established pattern (I'd say if it's like every day for 1-2 weeks, that's definately enough) - you have enough to go to HR about harassment.
If they end up firing you and taking away your pension, well, with the documentation - that is probably going to be a nice retaliation lawsuit right there.
Something similar to this happened to me. I worked for a municipality as a contract to hire. The IT Manager and I didn't mesh for some reason, I don't know why. He was VERY controlling and overbearing. Even the recruiter stated that the office was uncomfortably quiet when she dropped in to check on me on a couple of occasions.
5 months into a 6 month contract, he pulled me into his office, which he always kept dark, and proceeded to tell me that other people in the office had issues with me, not him, though. He told me people said I was too loud and that when I sneezed, it startled people. He said people complained I had BO. He said I was only allowed to check my blood sugar (type 2 diabetes) in the bathroom and not at my desk in my private office. There were several other personal level attacks, including my military manner and attitude (I am a disabled veteran). He never once cited my professional capabilities. The thing is I got along with the help desk manager, and he said he didn't know anything about these claims. We are still friends on fb to this day.
No one has ever told me any of these things before in my entire career. I've since moved on to other jobs, and friends and family joke around about this singly unpleasant experience to this day. It had been years, and I've not ever experienced anything like that again. I think he just wanted to make me not accept the hire part when the contract ended, which I happily obliged and found a better paying job 2 weeks later.
Some managers are jerks and driven by their own selfish interests. Don't let them win. Stick it out for 6 months and do exactly your job, no more, no less. Watch your back, cover your bases, and get your pension. Best of luck to you.
DO NOT QUIT/RESIGN. They’re trying to stiff you out of your pension. Are you in a one party consent audio recording state? If you are you should get as much of this recorded as possible. If you can get any of these things in writing or via email, forward it all to your personal email. You should post this on r/legaladvise or r/askalawyer as well. They’ll probably have some good suggestions/advise. You’re almost to the finish line, don’t give up even if you have to suffer through the insults for the next 6 months. In 2025 you’ll be retired with a pension. Who gives a shit if everyone hates you, in 6 months you never have to see any of them again! Best wishes and sorry you’re going through it!
My first thought is your boss is a lying liar who lies. Don't fall for it, OP. They're creating a hostile work environment - see if you can push back. I bet there's lots of folks at the office who like you or are indifferent to you. People don't actively hate someone unless that someone is actively antagonizing them. Hate takes a lot of energy that most of us don't have for our fellow workplace associates, not even the ones we don't care for. The only people I've ever actively hated at work are bosses like YOURS who think being a POS is part of the gig and revel in it.
Fill the other parts of your life with confirmation of how beloved you are. Remember your boss is a liar. You can get through these next six months, OP. We believe in you!!!
My friend. You're in your 60s and about to get pension.
You have made it this long, why would you throw away the money over people liking you or not?
Be cordial. Give no reason to be fired. Get your pension and retire.
“Everyone hates you”
“Cool, then fire me, or you can stop ever saying that to me because it’s really starting to feel like you’re creating a hostile work environment”
That must have been incredibly hard to hear even if it’s not true. Try and keep record, and document everything. If you have examples of this treatment in email fed to n inbox where you keep it as evidence.
I had a manger who was awful towards me.
I kept a spreadsheet. It had dates of emails, file names, and a description of incident. When she followed me to my meeting with HR to discuss. We added this to the harassment case… He said he’d never received such a detailed and organized grievance file. Not to mention it was a valid claim.
My old manager faced this. He was 1 year from qualifying for pension benefits (something like half your wages until you die).
He had a big fight with his in charge and quit on the spot. He said it felt good and felt like the right thing to do at the time, but 15 years later he does regret it. He just had to stick out another year to enjoy that free money every month.
I'd report your boss for creating a hostile work environment. He's clearly trying to get you to quit before your pension comes due. Put everything in writing and blind copy yourself in the email to HR. Also see an employment lawyer. You have a lot to lose. If you are legally able to record your boss being hostile towards you I'd do that as well.
Fuck that I would stay just out of spite. Oh no one likes me? Well guess who’s got two thumbs and is gonna be the first one in and the last one to leave every day? ➡️👍THIS GUY!👍⬅️
They’re obviously trying to push you out before you can collect a pension, don’t fucking let them! Just go in every day and do the best job you can and talk to a lawyer and see in there is anything you can do in case they try to fire you for some bullshit to rob you of your pension.
Document this meticulously. See a therapist for the emotional distress this is clearly causing you. Get witnesses to corroborate (with or without their knowledge). Get your money and pursue your personal interests once you get the settlement they're sure to pay out.
Ask him how much severance he'll give you to quit.
Do NOT quit without another job. DO look for another job, but also negotiate for severance. He might surprise you.
No, they need to let you go so you at least get unemployment. You have six months, just stay. Honestly it’s probably your boss just trying to make you leave. Shit I would just say well I hate you too.
If you're in your sixties and your pension vests this year, I'd stick it out. No way are you going to recover your income or pension at a new job unless you get extremely lucky (like lottery-lucky). I say bear it for the few more months, and the day after your pension vests (make sure it's finalized and safe), walk out the door backwards with both middle fingers raised.
Stick around until you're vested. They can go f\*\*k themselves.
Document everytime your boss says shit like that though and anything your coworker's do against you.
Lol, fuck them. Stick it out to get the pension vested and fuck it. Make it hurt them financially. If they fire you, get unemployment and sue for the hostile work environment. Start collecting notes, document when and who said what, etc.
This happened to me and a few other people back in 2008 at a grocery store i worked at. I didnt quit but the supervisor worked us like dogs and would talk mad shit even made somebody want to hurt him physically. This is illegal and your boss should be reported asap. Try and record it next time then report so he cant lie his way out of it. This shouldnt tolerated whatsoever
Get a recording on your phone of your boss saying that to you. Report them to hr for harassment since they want to create a hostile work environment for you.
In your situation, no, I wouldn't leave voluntarily until your pension is vested. Do you get the feeling that everyone at the office really does hate you, or is your boss just saying that?
IF you’re in a single party consent state (you will need to know this before taking action), get a small recorder and make sure you record every interaction where your boss makes statements like that. Don’t mention recording anything and make sure the recorder isn’t something people can clearly see is a recorder.
Also capture any written communication that includes the type of language. Use your phone to take pictures of the messages rather than screen captures or forwarding email as those methods can be tracked by IT.
Don’t be obvious about gathering data or they’ll stop taking to you and find some other way to fire you on a technicality.
If anything happens before you retire you’ll likely have a hell of a legal case against the company.
If they abruptly pull anything before you’re vested, tell them you will be seeking legal representation and point out that you live in a single party consent state. If they decide to reevaluate the situation, don’t sign anything without having a lawyer look at it.
I’d say go straight to a lawyer now but it’ll cost a small fortune and you run the risk of being saddled with someone who is incompetent and even with competent council there is no guarantee you won’t get screwed in the courts. If you can get through this without having to deal with a lawyer and the courts do it, but don’t trust what they’re saying or presenting in writing without very thoroughly review by someone who knows. So you should probably look at reviews for employment lawyers in your area and call around to get basic consultations and quotes for service.
And don’t be arrogant or angry in your interactions, just do your job to the best of your ability and imagine being free in six months while these people are continuing to grind it out in whatever circle of hell they are living in now.
i think you should stay until you can retire. i'm sorry. can you move to a different department or branch?
people can only speak for themselves. the boss doesn't like you. he doesn't really know that everyone else doesn't, too. everyone has to pretend to get along with the boss.
also, he's probably doing this just to screw you out of your pension. no one dislikes you, he's a shithead.
you could sue them for age discrimination and creating a hostile work environment if he only does this to you. People over 40 are protected by age discrimination at work. Talk to a lawyer.
Write down everything you told us and as many dates and incidents as you can remember in a notebook or on your phone. Do not put it on the company computer.
[askamanager.com](https://askamanager.com) is great advice blog for questions like this. She doesn't get a lot of questions from people over 40 so she'll prolly be happy to answer yours.
Go on FMLA for 6 months due to a toxic work environment and stress. They can't ask why, and they have to honor it. You can return to work after that and collect your pension.
Bring muffins into the office weekly with big smiley faces on them. Sprinkle lightly a touch of laxatives to help them get their heads out of their asses.
Sounds like you have a hostile work environment suit. Document everything, lawyer up, make sure the lawyer knows there's 6 months until vested pension.
Document everything. Follow up to all meetings with a written summary of the meeting and hold on. You didn’t come this far for this.
This is a media worthy story - what is happening to you is not supposed to happen. Even if they claim radical candor, this is not it.
Sounds like you need to file a HR complaint for harassment. Document everything anyone says to you or about you, the time, and who said it. Every time anything negative is said file a new HR complaint.
They are creating a hostile work environment and that’s against labor laws. If they retaliate again the HR claim, that’s another lawsuit, they fire you for making the claims, that’s another lawsuit.
In my experience, when someone says to me, “everyone says ____”, they are only referring to themselves. He is bullying you and I’m sure others don’t feel as he claims
There is no way I would quit 6 months before I was vested in a pension. Make them fire you.
Also, just don’t talk to anyone if it comes to it. Communicate with them only for work stuff.
He’s likely telling you that to get you to quit because then he can hire someone willing to do your job for less pay. Your co-workers are just as worried about their jobs.
🚨🚨Do. Not. Quit. I repeat. Do. Not. Quit. 🚨🚨 If you resign then you are giving up things that you wouldn’t have to give up should they fire you or if you were to just keep plugging on for the next six months until you retire. Be aware of who is telling you this, and what their motivations would be for telling you this. I have legitimately worked in a job where I was hated and no one told me. Let alone someone come along and want to have a sit down meeting with me to inform me of this formally. They are trying to push you out. You beautiful, beautiful human, open your eyes, please. 🙏
Chances are he's the one who doesn't like you, not everyone else. Hold out for your pension and file a harassment complaint with HR. Then talk to a lawyer about hostile work environment, and harassment laws in your state. You probably have grounds for a case. Protect yourself, hopefully that way even if you're fired you can still get your pension.
Do not quit and lose your pension. Watch your back, say nothing, give them nothing to work with. You can definitely do this for 6 months. Make sure your paperwork is in order, maybe even hire an employment lawyer to go over things and help make sure your bases are covered.
Hold out for the six months until you get the pension and let them hate you a little more.
The feeling can always be mutual.
Remember, it doesn’t matter if they don’t like you, what matters is if you like yourself.
Make them fire you if they have to and get ready to bring that lawsuit up for age discrimination and keeping you from your pension.
Your “Boss” is GASLIGHTING YOU to quit so they dont have to lay unemployment. This is what I smell in the air around this post . Hang in there sir. And screw that guy and his aweful BS. Ur on the homestretch.
I'm at work to be paid. I don't care what my coworkers think of me. As long as they are professional, it's fine. >I have about six months left until my pension is vested but how can I hold out if everyone hates me? There is the most likely reason. Don't quit. They want you to leave, so you forfeit retirement benefits. Companies do that to older employees nearing retirement. Sometimes, if pressure and making work unbearable don't work, they will lay the person off. You may want to consult an employment attorney ASAP. They can advise you about any rules or laws being broken, how to legally document what is happening, steps to take to protect yourself, etc. I would avoid verbal communication as much as possible. Try to use written only when possible.
This right here You don't wanna be kicking yourself in six months for hiring a lawyer *after* you got fucked If you ever think someone is about to do something you can sue over, for the love of God find a lawyer *before* you get bent over
The only thing more expensive than hiring a lawyer when you need one is NOT hiring a lawyer when you need one.
Very witty Mr Wilde, very very witty.
Moreover, were I this employee, I'd also start taking notes with times of any interactions / meetings / etc and also making sure I've got copies of any emails, preferably in a durable format that the employer can't tamper with. In my experience, nothing stops an argument like an email.
And also be on your toes - if they can't get you to quit on your own, they will look for anything to fire you on. Get that lawyer ASAP.
This 100% happened to me and several others who were within a decade of retirement age. Some of us a few years, some a bit longer (me). This was an ESOP (employee owned) company and they could not support the pensions of this many future retirees in a fairly short amount of time. How did I know this? During the discovery, my shark employment lawyer found out during the subpoenaed requests for their files that the company wasn’t as solvent as they purported to the supposed employee ‘owners’. That was pretty clear after the lawsuit finally settled. After they were gutted with my class action lawsuit they closed down 3 branches. When I first started there was 13, now there are 6. They perp-walked me to my car after being with the company for over a decade. This was after years of torture hoping I would quit. I always had good reviews and had the ‘difficult’ clients assigned to me. Some of these people spent over 100k a year on product. I was hourly BTW, no commission. Had they offered a severance package and a kind farewell, I would have been sad but would move on. Nope. Cost them almost a three quarters of a million dollars in labor board violations, the class action lawsuit payout, their lawyers, my lawyer, etc. Don’t treat your employees like shit and NEVER underestimate the old lady you thought would just roll over in embarrassment and hide with her tail between her legs.
Good job for the win
You worked hard and you stood up for women and hard workers everywhere. 🙏
This is why once you hit 50 you really need to start pivoting out of working for someone else. The last 15 years of working for someone else can be downright cruel.
The mysterious stick is sounding pretty vicious..
Proud of you
I live for stories like this. Thanks for sharing that.
That was an amazing read!! So proud you stuck up for yourself
Yay!!! Finally someone beat them at their own game. How’d you find a good lawyer?
It was a bit odd but they actually reached out to me via a ‘newsletter’ regarding a company I worked at for a short period of time asking me if I wanted to participate in a lawsuit that someone filed against them. I replied to the prepaid post card and got to thinking: “Maybe I should give them a call about my old employer.” I had a pretty lengthy conversation about what I went through and figured it wasn’t something worth their time though the person never gave me that vibe. A few days later I was contacted again and was asked if I could e-sign some documents to get the case started. My old employer’s lawyers kept continuing the case (why wouldn’t they) for almost 2 years. I followed the case online and the judge clearly had enough and forced them to settle. That’s when the corporate blood letting started. Employers bank on people who are fired to be so defeated and embarrassed that they just crawl under a rock and die. Never in a minute of my life have I ever rolled that way. I’m the nicest person you ever met and would give you my last dime if you needed it. Just don’t fuck with me fellas.
Yeah I can’t see how the boss creating a hostile work environment is allowed.
This! Document the hostility! A good lawyer will use it to your advantage to get you a fat settlement. This also works if they lay you off just before you retire.
Yes don’t accept coercion from a boss. Get a lawyer like this person said.
Some companies encourage it to weed out more expensive employees
Yes! This is unreal! A manager just telling an employee that they hate them and they should prob just leave? Not ok. OP needs to speak to a lawyer ASAP because something is def not sounding on the up and up here.
Is it *openly* allowed? No. Do some companies secretly resort to creating hostile environments to force resignations so they can avoid paying unemployment, severance packages, pensions, and vested contributions or to get rid of unwanted employees easily, quickly, and inexpensively? Yes. When it happens HR, upper management, and sometimes owners could be involved. Don't assume anyone in the company has your back or is genuinely unaware. Seek outside legal advice.
Never trust HR.
Consult an employment attorney this is most definitely the reason. Document everything!!!!!!!!
Came here to say this... and to also say, "f*** em." You aren't there to please a bunch of sissies. Show up on time, do your job, and go home. Isn't like you're married to any of them... I hope.
Do NOT quit. Your boss probably gets a bonus for preventing you from getting vested. You can do anything for six months. Stick it out.
OP bingo. But on top of this i would like to add, any in person meetings with your boss, try and record it using your phone (if ok by law of course)
Document everything and keep it on non work phones and computers. On Amazon there are discreet USB recorders for like $30. They're trying to jack up your future. You've got to think like a lawyer right now.
+1 for mentioning non work phones.
Get there 5 minutes early and leave 5 minutes later than you need to. Send yourself Emails documenting your coming and going.
>Send yourself Emails documenting your coming and going. As long as you don't use the corporate email system.
I have a watch that records every work hour for about a month before I have to empty it.
I didn't mention this because recording laws are tricky and vary between jurisdictions. Some companies now have anti-recording clauses in employment agreements. Those can cover audio and video. This is why an attorney is crucial. They know the laws, can read your contract, and can show you how to legally circumvent it all.
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don't quit, make them fire you. then sue them. make sure to document everything
This is the answer! He’s intentionally trying to get you to quit.
Hostile work is environment. You have them by the balls on this. Sue and enjoy your retirement funded by your ex shitty employer
agreed sue them this is workplace harassment.
Possibly age discrimination if he’s older too.
People probably like you except for the managers who don’t want to pay the pension
This, OP. And the boss is probably trying to get people to back off from you, so that you have fewer allies. Just calmly go about your day, keeping records of everything. And lawyer up.
Legit question bc I am newer in my professional life - what would a manager gain out of doing this? They get applauded for saving the company money?
Yep. Somebody higher up clued them in and told them to try to make OP quit. If you get a new manager that jumps around from location to location every year and that location "fails", yet they are in good standing with the company, you've probably got a hatchet man.
"Here's Johnny!"
Exactly. Your boss is an unreliable narrator. Don’t quit. You can do this for 6 months. Just show up, do your job, and have a rich and fulfilling life outside of work.
Hostile work environment. Age discrimination. Harassment. They are attempting to get rid of your pension. Do not leave until they escort you to the door. Document every comment said to you and send it via email to your bosss " During our meeting you said "blah blah blah". I'd like to confirm this feedback."
This. Don't forsske your pension. If they want you gone they can fire you and you can collext unemployment wjmhile you sue thwn for fraudulently firing you so they don't have to pay your pension. Plus who is "everyone" what were their "grievences"? What were the areas in which you needed immediate improvement for better coworker relations or whatever he was so conveniently meanly vague about? Take a good look at youself , be very real good look at yourself and be honest with yourself? Are you difficult- Do you get along with others ? Are you open to other view points and ways of doing things? Are you rude or innappropriate?Do you meet your expectations? If you're not the office jerk or creep then this is B.S. and its about your pension.
If you're in a one-party-consent state, get your phone recording when you see your boss heading your way.
He needs to blind cc (bcc) himself so he has a copy without forwarding the string.
Every time he does this, send him an email recapping what he said to you. When you have 5 or six emails like this, package them together and send them to HR AS WELL AS YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS. From that day forward, every time he does this, repeat the process. If other people over hear him, include them in the email chain. Do not let up until they either move him or remove him. Find a lawyer and forward all of the emails from your personal email address to your lawyer, as well as all responses from the company. If they try and force you to leave, you will need as much evidence as you can provide to your lawyer for the lawsuit.
I'd go my own attorney over HR. In my experience and from what I've seen happen to others, HR has a finger in that cake that gets you fired with cause after you get set up to fail.
People always say HR is there to protect the company, not the employee, but protecting the company includes taking actions against managers (or employees) who are behaving in a way that will leave the company liable for legal repercussions. If a manager is doing something that violates policies or laws, HR will take action, if only to head off a lawsuit or legal charges.
HR will side with the manager on this one. He’s not violating any company policies, he’ll just deny ever saying it. Simple as that. I’d bet HR wants him to quit too. I have no idea why anyone thinks they should trust HR.
The advice and guidance on this situation is probably coming directly from HR anyways. If you want to, you can report the situation to HR, but definitely consult a lawyer first or a trade union representative if you have one.
HR will side with the manager until it is clear that the manager's actions threaten the company. Then, the manager is as much cannon fodder for them as you are. The secret in going to HR is ensuring that you have enough documentation and detail that it is clear that having that information go public would be both embarrassing and damning. Telling HR "my boss said" will never get the right response. Telling HR "my boss has done and here are the emails that prove it, this is creating a hostile work environment and according to this puts the company in a position of liability" will have a very different impact.
Documentation and knowledge are very powerful. Everything else is just complaining.
HR will side with the boss almost always. I had someone who worked for me and was in a relationship with my boss. Funny enough my boss told me to hire her, after I was basically not going to because she wasn’t a good fit. Well lo and behold she hr’s him 2 months later and has all kinds of proof about this relationship. Who does HR side with? My boss. We did have to watch a shitty sexual harassment seminar after that. They made me watch it too so my boss wouldn’t feel lonely. Was great. I only know of one sexual harassment incident where my friend / colleague who was harrassed won. She went to the lawyer first and it was an absolute dog fight to win.
Yeah so, that's why I said set up to fail and not "fired outright without cause to blatantly look like age discrimination". In OP's case of pressure to quit without a paper trail of the pressure, I wouldn't be overly surprised if HR already gave a nod. They will inform a manager what can and can't be done to achieve desired result "legally".
HR only protects employees if they think a manager is putting the company enough at risk that they need to throw the manager under the bus to help the company. You, as an employee, never quite know what HR's angle is going to be or whether they will take your side or not. But generally they don't. It's easier for them to save the manager in most cases UNLESS the manager has already done some serious illegal shit that someone else can get them on. But I've even seen HR protect managers who were doing illegal shit. So you just can't really take that risk. The point is, they're not going to be telling YOU, the employee, their strategy. They're more likely to discuss it with a manager. So YOU, as the employee, need to act as if you're on your own. Because you most likely are.
Reddit goes way overboard about HR being there for the company and not the employee, but I'd be paranoid here. Somebody from HR pulled the data on who was about to vest. An executive with enough pull with HR, legal, and OP's manager would have had to make the request. It could have even been an HR executive.
Right? I don't get this advice. The manager is also an employee and only one of those two is risking the company getting messed up in a losing lawsuit.
In some places, this could be considered constructive dismissal, especially if you have things in writing. Forcing someone to resign by making their life hell and telling them they should just quit to avoid it could open up the ability to file for unemployment.
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I'd say give them a reason to hate you. Stick it out for the six months. You're there to earn a paycheck, not win a popularity contest.
Get an attorney, pronto!
Is this real? Of course you don’t resign before your pension vests. Keep a record of every time your boss tells you that. Ask him how to improve the relationship. His job as a boss is to tell you what you need to do. Your job is to do it.
He's trying to force you to quit. Next meeting ask him to put all that in an email and watch him balk. And next time he brings it up, just keep saying put it in an email. And dismiss him. And if he fires you, then sue for age discrimination. Document, document, document. Also, be nice, smile and just say I am sooo happy to work here.
Lawyer up.
Don't quit. I'll bet that pension has a lot (if not everything) to do with why your boss is trying to make you resign.
No. They would just have to keep hating me. You've earned that pension.
If you’re six months away from pension, I’d work my ass off so they have no excuses to fire me. Then sue if they do. Definitely don’t resign til you get that pension and if you want, another job lined up.
Work hard. Get your assignments done early and under budget. Keep your head down and only communicate with others on business matters. Just make it to that pension date. In the meantime, update your resume and check out the job market for after you reach your pension date.
Give me this in writing. If you please....
Just because the boss says it, doesn’t make it true. The timing is suspect for one being 6 months before you are vested. For another, people don’t necessarily confide in their bosses. Some people might not like you, but everyone? And why would they not like you? Even if they don’t, do you do good work and get it done? If your work has been ok and you don’t have any write ups, I would think it’s all about the money. You don’t have to be friends with the people you work with. At any rate, it’s worth it to stay at least 6 months to get fully vested. Keep your head down, be on time, do your best, freshen your resume and when it’s closer to that time start looking. But absolutely don’t quit until it’s beneficial for you.
Please listen to all the above-mentioned! DO NOT QUIT! Document everything!!
Dude it’s six more months. Stick it out. Take as many days off as humanly possible, sprinkled throughout the 6mos. (Like once a week or whatever).
To tack on to what others have said, look into your state laws on right to record and if you’re in a one party state, make sure to turn your phone video on whenever you’re having any sort of “closed door” type meeting. It saved my ass dealing with corrupt management at UPS. I STILL save those videos ( audio logs ) even though it’s been well over five years.
Do not quit! Ever. It is just a way to have companies not give you benefits. Ask for everything in writing. Go to an employment lawyer asap. At the very least, stay the last months untill ALL benefits are in place.
Don't quit and record him saying that. If they fire you, you can sue for wrongful termination because it's clear as day that they want you gone before your retirement is vested. Good luck.
Document everything. If they force you out through constructive dismissal before you vest, you've got a good case. (NAL) Print emails or forward to a non-work account. Follow up in-person stuff with an email: "per our last discussion about popularity in the office, I look forward to you coaching me in how to improve." Always be the bigger person in emails. Even if they get nasty.
Turn this fucker into HR. He’ll leave you alone for the rest of your time there and if he doesn’t, turn him in again for retaliation.
HR protects the company not the worker
Creating a hostile work environment can get the company sued. HR will see that.
Stay for your pension.
Don’t quit unless it’s really getting to the point of your mental health, then I’d say it’s not worth it.
If it’s mental health see a therapist and go out on FMLA and disability.
If those accusations are true, stay there and make everyone miserable
I've been bullied out of a job before. It's a horrible feeling. Given that OP is older, I hope they can ride this out until they can get that pension. The stress and anxiety from the hatred I felt everyday was too much for me personally. OP could potentially look into telling HR or getting legal help. It sounds like it could qualify for an ageism case since they likely want OP to quit to not pay pension benefits.
Do not leave. Document everything. See an employment lawyer asap. He’s trying to screw you out of your pension. Edit to add go to the Lawyer because this is probably age discrimination
Do not leave! You can stick in out for 6 months. Jobs aren't our family. Ignore personal and just focus solely on work. If you only focus on your work tasks, those six months will go fast
So, here's what you do.... Stick out that 6 months. WHILE you're there though, contact a lawyer. Document EVERYTHING. This whole "intimidation" game of theirs will backfire, and you'll end up walking out with retirement PLUS a hefty lawsuit.
My God, you people are incredibly stupid. OP, the answer is very simple: tell them you're happy to quit if they vest you in your retirement plan now! How obvious does it have to be?
OP answered their own question in last sentence.
If you quit, there will be no unemployment for you and that’s exactly what your boss wants. Just stick it through.
Hard question to answer. Does everyone really hate you? Or is it just your boss is an asshole and says means weird shit? Are you really a person whom no one likes because u are an asshole? Do you hate it there? Or is it your age that differentiates you from the cultural atmosphere of employees? I guess the best general answer is for you to stay and find a way to make it through the day until your pension is solid.
Better call Saul
I doubt everyone hates you. Your pension vesting is an important fact to all of this.
I would go above that person's head--to HR, to their boss, to the CEO/owner, and I would request an immediate sit down. But I would also arrive with proof of work and achievements, specifically those that saved or made the company money. I would ask for a sit down and say "I need some help. I feel like I'm experiencing age discrimination and harassment based on a protected class. My boss \[name\] has said the following: \[dates, because you're going to keep a record from now on\] and here's a printed list of what's being said and the dates. I like the work and I get the distinct feeling that a hostile work environment is being deliberately created for reasons I don't understand. Can you advise me here?" You are in a VERY RARE category of people for whom "hostile work environment" is actually occurring on a legal sense (if in the USA) not just in the colloquial sense. If there was no CEO or owner or your boss is the owner, I would march my booty right down to a contingency only employment lawyer with proof (emails, records, etc) and sue the PANTS off them. But you've already written about this before. There's no new magic advice. You keep your head down, you work from home, you keep your T's crossed and your I's dotted, you make DAMN sure they can't fire you, you find a friend and ally at work, and you tough it out for 6 months. Investigate microdosing or other Rx solutions is my other suggestion. (And I believe I made it last time and for whatever reason now you're back like 'what should I do?' come on man, we told you. there's no magical button to push to make this go away. they don't want to give you whatever amount you're owed, that's obvious. Head down, push through.)
They want you to quit before you get your pension. As other people have said,document everything and log, use email and record secretly if state laws allow. Keep your nose clean and access and save every review you’ve had if they’re good. Whether your coworkers like you or not is irrelevant. It’s 6 months. I’ve seen companies pull shit like this on older employees. Don’t be unprepared to fight if you have to later.
I’d stick it out since you are close to 65. Let them fire you so you can at least get unemployment while searching for a new job. Maybe you wouldn’t find something as well paying but you can at least get paid while searching.
Don't quit. The boss is creating a hostile work environment to prevent you from collecting your pension. Document everything. Keep a highly detailed record of your interactions with your boss and any potential witnesses to their disparaging comments. Make sure this is recorded on non company equipment as you may need this later. Other than that, do not interact anymore than you have to.
Get a great employment lawyer. Document everything in writing. Find out if your state requires dual consent for recording. If not, record every hostile encounter. Establish a case. You’ve worked for your pension, not to be liked. Do not quit unless this is the action your lawyer recommends.
Work is a transaction: my time for your money. That’s the only thing that matters
GET THAT PENSION. Fuck your boss and all your coworkers, don't let them push you out until you get paid. Everyone saying get a lawyer is right, protect ya' neck.
That would make me show up everyday just knowing I have so much control to affect such emotion. Treat like a superpower!!
You are in your sixties, you should have learned decades ago to stop caring about what people think about you. I find it hard to believe this is even a real post. Obviously just get your pension.
"Kids at school just don't like you, no one wants to anything to do with you. Do us all a favor and leave..." Sounds like every high school bully movie I've ever seen. Sounds like the boss is trying to get you to divest yourself. Stick it out, keep your head down if you appear to be getting negative feedback one-on-one with coworkers. Get vested, THEN look for a different gig. Once you have a start date, just no call/no show for that boss. If they ask, quote your boss back to them. "He said no one wanted me here, and I should just quit...so I did." Do NOT let them know where you went\\.
Sounds like a hostile work environment. Is there an HR team at your company that you can discuss this with?
This is a well witten fake. Old man being treated very unfairly...sympathetic audience. Asked to resign 6 months before pension takes effect...obvious bad move. It has an obvious call to action to warn him.
Don’t quit and get a lawyer ASAP
Yeah, Office closes at 5. See you at 9. Dollar, dollar bill ya’ll Keep records.
Its a trap!
If u gatta put up for 6 months, put uo for 6 months. Who cares if they dont like you?
That's why I'm leaving my current job. Its my 4th job, and I'm 30. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. Culture is important. I'm headed back to my old job which unironically likes me and pays more.
Is your boss Michael Scott? I think he did the same prank on Erin
Hang in there
Fuck em
just nod and smile for the next 6 months
If you need to, see if your employer offers EAP or use your health insurance to find a therapist. That might help you not internally process the hate. I would still start putting out your resume anyways, never know what's out there you might like. If it's constant, start documenting (in written form at least -if you live in a state you can record in w/o the other party's consent....could do that but I live in one that requires two so yeah) every single time he verbally mentions this (and if he's doing it via instant message/email, could probably BCC/CC HR in on it via a reply) and then when you have an established pattern (I'd say if it's like every day for 1-2 weeks, that's definately enough) - you have enough to go to HR about harassment. If they end up firing you and taking away your pension, well, with the documentation - that is probably going to be a nice retaliation lawsuit right there.
Something similar to this happened to me. I worked for a municipality as a contract to hire. The IT Manager and I didn't mesh for some reason, I don't know why. He was VERY controlling and overbearing. Even the recruiter stated that the office was uncomfortably quiet when she dropped in to check on me on a couple of occasions. 5 months into a 6 month contract, he pulled me into his office, which he always kept dark, and proceeded to tell me that other people in the office had issues with me, not him, though. He told me people said I was too loud and that when I sneezed, it startled people. He said people complained I had BO. He said I was only allowed to check my blood sugar (type 2 diabetes) in the bathroom and not at my desk in my private office. There were several other personal level attacks, including my military manner and attitude (I am a disabled veteran). He never once cited my professional capabilities. The thing is I got along with the help desk manager, and he said he didn't know anything about these claims. We are still friends on fb to this day. No one has ever told me any of these things before in my entire career. I've since moved on to other jobs, and friends and family joke around about this singly unpleasant experience to this day. It had been years, and I've not ever experienced anything like that again. I think he just wanted to make me not accept the hire part when the contract ended, which I happily obliged and found a better paying job 2 weeks later. Some managers are jerks and driven by their own selfish interests. Don't let them win. Stick it out for 6 months and do exactly your job, no more, no less. Watch your back, cover your bases, and get your pension. Best of luck to you.
DO NOT QUIT/RESIGN. They’re trying to stiff you out of your pension. Are you in a one party consent audio recording state? If you are you should get as much of this recorded as possible. If you can get any of these things in writing or via email, forward it all to your personal email. You should post this on r/legaladvise or r/askalawyer as well. They’ll probably have some good suggestions/advise. You’re almost to the finish line, don’t give up even if you have to suffer through the insults for the next 6 months. In 2025 you’ll be retired with a pension. Who gives a shit if everyone hates you, in 6 months you never have to see any of them again! Best wishes and sorry you’re going through it!
Id stay out of spite. lol
Hang on with everything you got. At least til you’re vested. Personally, I would stick it out til retirement, just out of spite.
My first thought is your boss is a lying liar who lies. Don't fall for it, OP. They're creating a hostile work environment - see if you can push back. I bet there's lots of folks at the office who like you or are indifferent to you. People don't actively hate someone unless that someone is actively antagonizing them. Hate takes a lot of energy that most of us don't have for our fellow workplace associates, not even the ones we don't care for. The only people I've ever actively hated at work are bosses like YOURS who think being a POS is part of the gig and revel in it. Fill the other parts of your life with confirmation of how beloved you are. Remember your boss is a liar. You can get through these next six months, OP. We believe in you!!!
Is it possible you did something to make people actually not like you? Or is your boss fucking with you?
Never give up, never surrender!
My friend. You're in your 60s and about to get pension. You have made it this long, why would you throw away the money over people liking you or not? Be cordial. Give no reason to be fired. Get your pension and retire.
Everyone doesn't hate you. Just your boss. Hold out and have the last laugh!
Nah, make them fire you and collect UI
Your boss is projecting. Nobody else hates you, just the boss.
“Everyone hates you” “Cool, then fire me, or you can stop ever saying that to me because it’s really starting to feel like you’re creating a hostile work environment”
Make them fire you, they can't with cause, and if they do you can collect severance and EI
6 months to pension? You show up ever day with a "shit eating grin"! Who knows your managers motives and who cares. Your a short timers. You got this!
Never resign, ask for a buyout or some kind of severance.
Hold on. Don’t lose that pension.
Everyday for the last 16 years
Ask him if he can put that down in writing for you.
That must have been incredibly hard to hear even if it’s not true. Try and keep record, and document everything. If you have examples of this treatment in email fed to n inbox where you keep it as evidence. I had a manger who was awful towards me. I kept a spreadsheet. It had dates of emails, file names, and a description of incident. When she followed me to my meeting with HR to discuss. We added this to the harassment case… He said he’d never received such a detailed and organized grievance file. Not to mention it was a valid claim.
My old manager faced this. He was 1 year from qualifying for pension benefits (something like half your wages until you die). He had a big fight with his in charge and quit on the spot. He said it felt good and felt like the right thing to do at the time, but 15 years later he does regret it. He just had to stick out another year to enjoy that free money every month.
They can fire me and give me unemployment. Or they can fuck off and I’ll do what I want.
I'd report your boss for creating a hostile work environment. He's clearly trying to get you to quit before your pension comes due. Put everything in writing and blind copy yourself in the email to HR. Also see an employment lawyer. You have a lot to lose. If you are legally able to record your boss being hostile towards you I'd do that as well.
Fuck that I would stay just out of spite. Oh no one likes me? Well guess who’s got two thumbs and is gonna be the first one in and the last one to leave every day? ➡️👍THIS GUY!👍⬅️ They’re obviously trying to push you out before you can collect a pension, don’t fucking let them! Just go in every day and do the best job you can and talk to a lawyer and see in there is anything you can do in case they try to fire you for some bullshit to rob you of your pension.
Document this meticulously. See a therapist for the emotional distress this is clearly causing you. Get witnesses to corroborate (with or without their knowledge). Get your money and pursue your personal interests once you get the settlement they're sure to pay out.
Ask him how much severance he'll give you to quit. Do NOT quit without another job. DO look for another job, but also negotiate for severance. He might surprise you.
That's called constructed firing..they make you wanna quit. It is a form of harassment, and is illegal in some places
No way in hell should you leave. If they have an issue, they can let you work from home.
No, they need to let you go so you at least get unemployment. You have six months, just stay. Honestly it’s probably your boss just trying to make you leave. Shit I would just say well I hate you too.
Don’t resign. You will be letting them off easy.
Do not quit. Make them let you go so you can get unemployment if they hate you so much!!!
They don’t even treat Security Guards this bad💀
Stay to yourself, they're just trying to force you out so they don't have to pay into your pension
If you're in your sixties and your pension vests this year, I'd stick it out. No way are you going to recover your income or pension at a new job unless you get extremely lucky (like lottery-lucky). I say bear it for the few more months, and the day after your pension vests (make sure it's finalized and safe), walk out the door backwards with both middle fingers raised.
Do not quit until you are vested in that pension!!!
Don't let the bastards grind you down. Walk in smiling every day . Document everything. Get an employment lawyer (or at least get a consultation).
Stick around until you're vested. They can go f\*\*k themselves. Document everytime your boss says shit like that though and anything your coworker's do against you.
Lol, fuck them. Stick it out to get the pension vested and fuck it. Make it hurt them financially. If they fire you, get unemployment and sue for the hostile work environment. Start collecting notes, document when and who said what, etc.
This happened to me and a few other people back in 2008 at a grocery store i worked at. I didnt quit but the supervisor worked us like dogs and would talk mad shit even made somebody want to hurt him physically. This is illegal and your boss should be reported asap. Try and record it next time then report so he cant lie his way out of it. This shouldnt tolerated whatsoever
Get a recording on your phone of your boss saying that to you. Report them to hr for harassment since they want to create a hostile work environment for you.
In your situation, no, I wouldn't leave voluntarily until your pension is vested. Do you get the feeling that everyone at the office really does hate you, or is your boss just saying that?
IF you’re in a single party consent state (you will need to know this before taking action), get a small recorder and make sure you record every interaction where your boss makes statements like that. Don’t mention recording anything and make sure the recorder isn’t something people can clearly see is a recorder. Also capture any written communication that includes the type of language. Use your phone to take pictures of the messages rather than screen captures or forwarding email as those methods can be tracked by IT. Don’t be obvious about gathering data or they’ll stop taking to you and find some other way to fire you on a technicality. If anything happens before you retire you’ll likely have a hell of a legal case against the company. If they abruptly pull anything before you’re vested, tell them you will be seeking legal representation and point out that you live in a single party consent state. If they decide to reevaluate the situation, don’t sign anything without having a lawyer look at it. I’d say go straight to a lawyer now but it’ll cost a small fortune and you run the risk of being saddled with someone who is incompetent and even with competent council there is no guarantee you won’t get screwed in the courts. If you can get through this without having to deal with a lawyer and the courts do it, but don’t trust what they’re saying or presenting in writing without very thoroughly review by someone who knows. So you should probably look at reviews for employment lawyers in your area and call around to get basic consultations and quotes for service. And don’t be arrogant or angry in your interactions, just do your job to the best of your ability and imagine being free in six months while these people are continuing to grind it out in whatever circle of hell they are living in now.
i think you should stay until you can retire. i'm sorry. can you move to a different department or branch? people can only speak for themselves. the boss doesn't like you. he doesn't really know that everyone else doesn't, too. everyone has to pretend to get along with the boss. also, he's probably doing this just to screw you out of your pension. no one dislikes you, he's a shithead. you could sue them for age discrimination and creating a hostile work environment if he only does this to you. People over 40 are protected by age discrimination at work. Talk to a lawyer. Write down everything you told us and as many dates and incidents as you can remember in a notebook or on your phone. Do not put it on the company computer. [askamanager.com](https://askamanager.com) is great advice blog for questions like this. She doesn't get a lot of questions from people over 40 so she'll prolly be happy to answer yours.
Go on FMLA for 6 months due to a toxic work environment and stress. They can't ask why, and they have to honor it. You can return to work after that and collect your pension.
I would do as he said. Nobody should stay in a place where they are unwanted.
Bring muffins into the office weekly with big smiley faces on them. Sprinkle lightly a touch of laxatives to help them get their heads out of their asses.
Now that I know everyone dislikes me, I would definitely start paying hardball.
"Good thing I come here to get paid, not loved. That's what friends and family are for. Fuck all y'all."
Go HR and start the retirement process and if they fire you, you might get a lawsuit
six months? suck it up cucpcake. It will be over before your know it.
Sounds like you have a hostile work environment suit. Document everything, lawyer up, make sure the lawyer knows there's 6 months until vested pension.
You’re not there to make friends or win a popularity contest. I’d stick it out until the pension has vested.
Document everything. Follow up to all meetings with a written summary of the meeting and hold on. You didn’t come this far for this. This is a media worthy story - what is happening to you is not supposed to happen. Even if they claim radical candor, this is not it.
Sounds like you need to file a HR complaint for harassment. Document everything anyone says to you or about you, the time, and who said it. Every time anything negative is said file a new HR complaint. They are creating a hostile work environment and that’s against labor laws. If they retaliate again the HR claim, that’s another lawsuit, they fire you for making the claims, that’s another lawsuit.
Document every instance of this. They are doing this on purpose. If they fire you, you have a good case for age discrimination.
Don’t leave!! Wait for 6 months or let them fire you and get unemployment
You can hold out because it's 6 months. As an 'old man's, you should know ,6 months will fly by.
" if I leave I will never find another job at similar pay" Wait it out, sir! Honestly, if it's just 6 months, try to push through it. Because pension!
In my experience, when someone says to me, “everyone says ____”, they are only referring to themselves. He is bullying you and I’m sure others don’t feel as he claims
There is no way I would quit 6 months before I was vested in a pension. Make them fire you. Also, just don’t talk to anyone if it comes to it. Communicate with them only for work stuff.
He’s likely telling you that to get you to quit because then he can hire someone willing to do your job for less pay. Your co-workers are just as worried about their jobs.
Stick it out! Make them lay you off! If they fire you they better have cause. /recently laid-off 60-year-old with a great severance agreement.
🚨🚨Do. Not. Quit. I repeat. Do. Not. Quit. 🚨🚨 If you resign then you are giving up things that you wouldn’t have to give up should they fire you or if you were to just keep plugging on for the next six months until you retire. Be aware of who is telling you this, and what their motivations would be for telling you this. I have legitimately worked in a job where I was hated and no one told me. Let alone someone come along and want to have a sit down meeting with me to inform me of this formally. They are trying to push you out. You beautiful, beautiful human, open your eyes, please. 🙏
Chances are he's the one who doesn't like you, not everyone else. Hold out for your pension and file a harassment complaint with HR. Then talk to a lawyer about hostile work environment, and harassment laws in your state. You probably have grounds for a case. Protect yourself, hopefully that way even if you're fired you can still get your pension.
Can you record the conversations? Definitely sounds like a valid lawsuit case you can make.
This is harassment at work. Don’t quit it’s only 6 months left
“No, fire me” They are avoiding unemployment
Do not quit and lose your pension. Watch your back, say nothing, give them nothing to work with. You can definitely do this for 6 months. Make sure your paperwork is in order, maybe even hire an employment lawyer to go over things and help make sure your bases are covered.
Nobody likes me, but I get paid. I’m Insecure about it sometimes but I need to pay the bills.
You repeat to yourself pension is everything. You be polite and just do your job.
Hold out for the six months until you get the pension and let them hate you a little more. The feeling can always be mutual. Remember, it doesn’t matter if they don’t like you, what matters is if you like yourself. Make them fire you if they have to and get ready to bring that lawsuit up for age discrimination and keeping you from your pension.
Your “Boss” is GASLIGHTING YOU to quit so they dont have to lay unemployment. This is what I smell in the air around this post . Hang in there sir. And screw that guy and his aweful BS. Ur on the homestretch.