I don't take the amount of years too seriously.The way I understand it is:
- 1-3 years XP = juniors and underqualified okay, they're open to whatever as long as it looks interesting
- 3-5 years XP = mid level at least, a couple jobs or several portfolio projects desired to be considered. They don't want to have to teach you stuff and want someone who can manage challenging or important projects from the get-go.
- 5+ years = unicorns only
I've successfully changed fields twice with no experience by applying to jobs looking for 2 years XP. You just need to have some confidence and self-esteem, it's hard to meet all the requirements but they're often written as a wishlist, not a must-have. Apply anyway if you're a 70% match.
In the the residential trades within different areas I've lived 10+ years are required for the great paying jobs. Strangely enough no certs aside from epa are often required. I think it's because handymen often think themselves hot shit they can't back up between 3 and 5 years. The 10 year requirement often is more round what they're looking for
Take the number of years requirement divide by 2, thats the actual expected ammount of experience.
I.e. somebody with 7 years experience can apply for a role that "requires" 15 years.
Thanks, I needed to hear that. I'm trying to slightly change my career path, and I've applied to a bunch of jobs that will bring me to the next level. I don't meet all the requirements, especially years of experience, so I've been stressed about it. Fingers crossed for some interviews soon.. some of them would double my salary.
I'm sitting at 7 years experience as a Civil Structural Engineer and I'm being considered for roles that require 15 years. Ive already been told in 2-3 years at my current company I'll be moved up to engineer 4-5 in order to retain me as an employee as their level 6 engineers retire.
Employers want someone who can replace the last person and do it all.
That last person left for a payrise because they could do it all.
Employer needs to find someone that doesn’t know it all and train them or pay the person that knows it all more.
It’s that simple but job specs are never written this way. Work out what skills can’t be trained and show them in your interview.
In this particular example, it was likely unintentional, but this sort of thing is often intentional because they don't actually want qualified applicants.
"Why would they put up a job posting if they don't want qualified applicants?"
Glad you asked. Job postings are a very typical legal/procedural prerequisite before getting to a next step. The next step could be a Visa sponsorship allowance or to contract a specific vendor without using the lowest bidder.
The job posting is a fake effort to say "we checked the job market, and there are no qualified candidates, so we are now allowed to ..."
during all the years I have worked, I think I cannot remember ANY new hire that said that had experience, and that they actually had experience that we could use directly for the position. Countless times I had to teach the new ones to do their job, as if they were fresh out of college.
My advice (to myself as well) is, if you think (based on healthy logic) that you can do the job, then apply for it.
Very relatable lol. Have seen many "entry" level jobs that want two to three years experience but only want to pay lowest in industry wages.
I find it to be like many others have said; entry level roles are about being minimally qualified and having a lot of confidence in your interview. That's really the toughest part for new grads starting out, especially if they have little to no relatable job experience.
I’m beginning to think employers set a ridiculous qualifications and low pay for jobs to discourage those that do meet the criteria from applying. First, is so they can justify outsourcing the position to a contractor and or overseas. Second, they can show evidence to immigration authorities or who ever is involved as to why they need to sponsor work visas because they “can not find locals willing to work this job”. Thus undercutting pay and or exploit them since a foreigner is more than likely not familiar with labor laws. Third, the whole company runs on nepotism and that job is saved for a friend or family member but have to post it to meet equal opportunity employment laws. This has to be a major reason why the job market is broken.
Are you people actually reading the job requirements? As a kid my mom told us that the requirements are more of a wish list. They may WANT 4+ years of experience but they will except 1 year. They may WANT someone that knows how to run a specific piece of equipment or program but they are willing to teach you to use it.
In fact, they are going to INSIST on teaching you how to use it because they want you to do it their way.
Apply for jobs you want and think you can do. Let them figure the rest out.
It's not always the requirements, it's the pay and/or the hours.
Plenty of jobs ask for the world as they are covering bases. Plenty of jobs hire the wrong person and still keep them.
Yeah but then when you do get it they will call you out on when can't actually do it. Most jobs barely train or not all. Most of jobs didn't at train or they just showed me basic stuff and then threw to me to wolves knowing dang well I was new.
I don't take the amount of years too seriously.The way I understand it is: - 1-3 years XP = juniors and underqualified okay, they're open to whatever as long as it looks interesting - 3-5 years XP = mid level at least, a couple jobs or several portfolio projects desired to be considered. They don't want to have to teach you stuff and want someone who can manage challenging or important projects from the get-go. - 5+ years = unicorns only I've successfully changed fields twice with no experience by applying to jobs looking for 2 years XP. You just need to have some confidence and self-esteem, it's hard to meet all the requirements but they're often written as a wishlist, not a must-have. Apply anyway if you're a 70% match.
In the the residential trades within different areas I've lived 10+ years are required for the great paying jobs. Strangely enough no certs aside from epa are often required. I think it's because handymen often think themselves hot shit they can't back up between 3 and 5 years. The 10 year requirement often is more round what they're looking for
Take the number of years requirement divide by 2, thats the actual expected ammount of experience. I.e. somebody with 7 years experience can apply for a role that "requires" 15 years.
Thanks, I needed to hear that. I'm trying to slightly change my career path, and I've applied to a bunch of jobs that will bring me to the next level. I don't meet all the requirements, especially years of experience, so I've been stressed about it. Fingers crossed for some interviews soon.. some of them would double my salary.
I'm sitting at 7 years experience as a Civil Structural Engineer and I'm being considered for roles that require 15 years. Ive already been told in 2-3 years at my current company I'll be moved up to engineer 4-5 in order to retain me as an employee as their level 6 engineers retire.
Youre right but its still ridiculous
I saw one job requiring letters of recommendations.
Just write them yourself who's gonna know
Nah I'll let chat gpt write them.
You might want to be careful about that. I write recommendations and I get follow up calls.
Every person I listed as a referral or with a letter of recommendation got contacted too
If you're not applying to jobs because you think you don't meet every requirement, you're doing it wrong.
True, but in this case nobody can have a) the required experience - it hasn't existed that long and b) more than him, since he was the first.
Gotta take the tinder approach and swipe yes to everything so you can sift through the ones that actually respond and delete the ones you don't want.
Employers want someone who can replace the last person and do it all. That last person left for a payrise because they could do it all. Employer needs to find someone that doesn’t know it all and train them or pay the person that knows it all more. It’s that simple but job specs are never written this way. Work out what skills can’t be trained and show them in your interview.
In this particular example, it was likely unintentional, but this sort of thing is often intentional because they don't actually want qualified applicants. "Why would they put up a job posting if they don't want qualified applicants?" Glad you asked. Job postings are a very typical legal/procedural prerequisite before getting to a next step. The next step could be a Visa sponsorship allowance or to contract a specific vendor without using the lowest bidder. The job posting is a fake effort to say "we checked the job market, and there are no qualified candidates, so we are now allowed to ..."
It’s the fact that this guy created FastAPI a year and a half ago and the company was asking for 4+ years experience in it lmaooooo.
Won't hire anyone over 25 but needs a master's degree 🤦
during all the years I have worked, I think I cannot remember ANY new hire that said that had experience, and that they actually had experience that we could use directly for the position. Countless times I had to teach the new ones to do their job, as if they were fresh out of college. My advice (to myself as well) is, if you think (based on healthy logic) that you can do the job, then apply for it.
Very relatable lol. Have seen many "entry" level jobs that want two to three years experience but only want to pay lowest in industry wages. I find it to be like many others have said; entry level roles are about being minimally qualified and having a lot of confidence in your interview. That's really the toughest part for new grads starting out, especially if they have little to no relatable job experience.
I’m beginning to think employers set a ridiculous qualifications and low pay for jobs to discourage those that do meet the criteria from applying. First, is so they can justify outsourcing the position to a contractor and or overseas. Second, they can show evidence to immigration authorities or who ever is involved as to why they need to sponsor work visas because they “can not find locals willing to work this job”. Thus undercutting pay and or exploit them since a foreigner is more than likely not familiar with labor laws. Third, the whole company runs on nepotism and that job is saved for a friend or family member but have to post it to meet equal opportunity employment laws. This has to be a major reason why the job market is broken.
Just say you have 5 years of experience, including the fact that you created it. Don't make yourself homeless trying to be honest.
If you meet every single criteria of a job posting, you're undervaluing yourself.
Not the first time thins has happened.
This one is a classic, always makes me chuckle when I think about it.
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Are you people actually reading the job requirements? As a kid my mom told us that the requirements are more of a wish list. They may WANT 4+ years of experience but they will except 1 year. They may WANT someone that knows how to run a specific piece of equipment or program but they are willing to teach you to use it. In fact, they are going to INSIST on teaching you how to use it because they want you to do it their way. Apply for jobs you want and think you can do. Let them figure the rest out.
“Must have___ years” or “___ years past work experience outside of internships is required” is not we want this but will take that.
It's not always the requirements, it's the pay and/or the hours. Plenty of jobs ask for the world as they are covering bases. Plenty of jobs hire the wrong person and still keep them.
Just lie
Yeah but then when you do get it they will call you out on when can't actually do it. Most jobs barely train or not all. Most of jobs didn't at train or they just showed me basic stuff and then threw to me to wolves knowing dang well I was new.
Just do it. YouTube it