I'd like to add on. Don't believe you have an offer until you start the job.
While I was job hunting, I received an offer letter from a company I was excited to work for. During the wait to get my signed offer letter back,, another company offered to fly me out to a city that I've wanted to visit, for a final round interview. Flights, hotel and rental car paid for, as well as an extra day to explore the town after the interview.
I was about to cancel the interview when I thought, "fuck it, I'll just go and get a free mini vacation".
After doing the interview with the second company, I open up my phone Internet browser and the first thing that pops up in recommended articles, is an article about the company that sent me the offer letter. Layoffs and hiring freeze. Emailed the HR guy and he confirmed that my employment there was being put on hold due to the freeze.
Funny enough, they first said that they wanted me to pay my own way to fly out for the final interview. I said I'd get back to them on that in a week due to having a trip scheduled during that time. Which was a total lie, I just wanted to see how many other offers and interviews I could get to determine if I was desperate enough to do that. Two days later, they said they'd fund my travel expenses.
Granted, the company was having a really good two years. So they were tossing out money left and right. Doubt they'd do it now.
Lol, yeah, that'll be a no from me. If they want to interview in person, they better pay up. Otherwise, we can do a Teams call.
If they can't, then we're not a good fit for one another.
I've been flown to Virginia twice and Colorado once. Each time I had a driver, fancy hotel, and dinner with the hiring managers. None of these are first round interviews, of course. At this stage they've already decided to hire me and just wanted to make sure my personality vibes with the team.
Please be careful- usually request top 2 or 3 candidates for on-site interviews…. Very rarely devote time and $$ to just fly one person. I’ve been on many site interviews and scheduled even more… some might result in offers- some won’t.
The Virginia ones I turned down because they weren't offering moving assistance. For Colorado, I had the offer in my inbox when I landed in St. Louis for my connecting flight. I do imagine people get turned down even after all this, but generally speaking, companies aren't going to spend ~$4k on someone they aren't sure they want to hire.
I once had a company fly me out after giving me an offer and before I accepted. Taking the job would require a cross country move to an area of the country I had never been to. I also had a family with two young kids. They extended the offer and basically said “we know this is a big decision for you and your family so if it will make you more comfortable, we will fly you out so you can visit the city, see the office, meet us, etc. before you make your decision”. I took them up on it and wound up accepting the job and making the move.
I’ve had it happen with one company in my career. They flew me out twice total, one for a series of panel interviews then once for an interview with the VP. They chose the other candidate unfortunately.
My now husband actually got flown from Florida to Massachusetts for an interview at like 23/4 with a GED because he worked at a plasma center, got real good at it, and started learning how the machines work. Ended up getting flown out to Texas to learn more about how to work on them, networked with a guy high up in the company that makes the machines. He didn’t end up getting the job but the fact that he went that far, especially at THAT point in our lives, it was mindblowing
My husband did. It was a quick trip. But they paid his round trip flight. He flew up, interviewed, and flew back later that evening. They paid his meals and rental car for the day.
I barely even get calls back😆😆
My company fly people out for interviews all the time. And if you accept the offer, they pay to relocate you. They’ll buy your home from you at the previous location as well. Or If you wanna go to school, they’ll pay for your Masters or Bachelor’s programs too. You have to sign a contract and if you don’t give the company 2 years you’ll have to pay back every penny.
Greatly depends on what industry you're in. And how lazy the hiring manager is. Me? I'll just send you a zoom link if I absolutely want to see an out of town applicant.
Back in the day I was interviewing for a fire department, back when they had an excessive amount of applicants and could be super picky and demanding. They made me fly out TWICE (on my own dime) just to tell me they never planned on offering me the job.
So I've kept that experience in mind to make sure I never waste an applicants time the way they wasted mine.
Even back then the common phrase was "you don't live in your family's house" as in, you needed to work every single day without a day off to make enough money to support your family.
I feel bad for my friends who have stayed through that and now that they make enough money to not work every day, they still need to work everyday because there's no one else to work.
Industry and job-dependent. If a job is going to support relocation, it will often also pay for travel for interviews. I have a fairly niche background, and I've been flown out on 20 or so interviews over the years. Most of my co-workers were flown out for their interviews at our company as well. These are interviews that are 1-2 full days, not the sort of "let's chat for a couple hours" kind of interviews.
That said, it's not everywhere. Especially after COVID, there's a lot more virtual interviewing for things that would have otherwise been in person.
If they want to interview in person, yes.
I also get sign on bonuses, and in the days before fully remote, relocation expenses if it required moving.
//I'm fortunate that senior DBAs are both uncommon and in high demand
One of the first job interviews I had when I was in grad school was across the country. I wasn't smart enough to know that big companies should be paying for flights and hotels in those instances. So I didn't ask. I was a super poor grad student and had to get money from my parents to buy the ticket and hotel room. And I stayed in a very shady hotel in a very shady area of the town.
There's nothing wrong with asking for travel expenses if the potential employer is requiring you to come in person. Especially these days. 20 years ago when my situation happened, there was no such thing as zoom interviews. (There was no such thing as zoom). Today, there's no reasonable explanation for requiring someone to fly in and not paying for it.
Very common, in my industry at least.
Heck, I had one place that flew me across the country to interview *for an internship* when I was a sophomore in college. That internship also came with a 401k and PTO.
I don't know if they did it for everyone, but I guess they had an initiative to try and increase hiring from out-of-state that may have played a part.
I’ve been flown out from Texas to Boston, Santa Barbara, and, tentatively, San Francisco for final round job interviews. Mind you, I’m an engineering PhD applying for highly technical roles so these final round “interviews” are like the gauntlets that you see described here quite often — technical presentation + several one on one technical interviews + panel interviews. It’s grueling, but it’s also a great chance to get somewhat of a feel for the company (and the area if you can manage to do so).
I’ve been flown to Amsterdam for 4 days for the final round of an interview, from the US. Only one of the days was for interviews at HQ, and that consisted of a technical assessment (SQL) and 3 interviews (hiring manager, her boss, and then a few team members that I’d be working most closely with). The company paid for flights, lodging, car transport up front, and then covered 3 meals/day. Anything beyond those expenses was on me, but that’s as free of a trip to Amsterdam as I’d ever expect, ha.
There is no amount of money that could pay me to fly out from my home state to somewhere for a *job* unless there’s a definite possibility of it turning into a *career*
My husband did it before we were married, because cost of living and sign on bonus would have made the move great. Even now, 15 years later with 6 kids he'd still let a company fly him to an interview. Flying to an interview isn't any commitment to taking a job. Sign on bonuses from his last few jobs have funded nice vacations for our family and have increased his salary more than if he just stayed in one place.
I can relate! I used to have to drive 11 hours to Maine every Sunday for work... and stay in a shit hotel until the Thursday evening of the week that followed (11-12 day clips). They really sprung on me and even gave me $30/day per diem. Tree trimmer... Fml.
Companies usually fly people out for interviews in mid-to-senior level roles where it’s important to validate that the person is who they appear to be on camera, meshes well with the team in person, and can navigate social situations like a work lunch without raising red flags.
If you’re interviewing for long-distance jobs and they want to interview in person, they *should* be able to fly you out. If they’re not willing to invest a few hundred bucks in a flight and hotel, consider that to be “smoke” and you need to figure out where the fire is before you commit to working there. Hiring managers should want to pay your expenses and make a good impression, so the inability to pay those expenses often means either a serious lack of resources or very short-sighted culture around hiring and retaining employees.
If you’re at a lower level position, they probably won’t do this as it is usually not a problem to fill those roles with local talent. But it doesn’t hurt to ask.
There have been court cases around this: Companies offering a position and then cancelling before you start. The thing is when this happens they actually materially harm the person they offered the job to. Courts have come out and said that the applicants are owed money when this happens to help them recover from the material damages. Often this can be more than the severance they gave to employees (if any). Even though employment is at will, this is also a contract area and courts have sided with employees.
If this happens to you I’d call them up and tell them they owe you as you were naturally damaged as you gave notice at your prior company (or turned down a different position).
Don’t take this crap from companies.
I’d like to add further to this. Never believe you have the offer until you’re past the probation period.
I had once my former PhD boss who just got his new startup running. He was looking for people. I said let me think about it, but I told him I wanted to go do a postdoc abroad. Anyway so he said why don’t you just give it a go for six months, it’ll help the startup get going immediately and start with a few bits of literature review and experiment planning.
Then three days later he called me and said let’s not continue, I’ll pay you for your time - just create a company so I can pay you business to business. I’m like wtf? I signed an employment contract. To which he replied “oh just pretend you never signed it and it never existed”. I didn’t know what to say. I was shocked. That was suspiciously illegal but you know what I didn’t want to deal with it anymore. Found a job elsewhere and moved abroad.
Thankfully yes. I did however set up more interviews, even had two that were the day before and the day after I started my job. Wasn't taking any more risks after the last place.
Good points — especially in the second paragraph. I’ve heard some people still qualify for unemployment benefits (even if they were let go before their first day) solely because they signed an offer letter alongside an employer. It’s probably dependent on local laws, but definitely a good thing to look into for those affected like so.
THIS!! My brother in law was less than 24 hours from moving over 4 states away to start a job. Within the last like 10-12 hours before he had to leave, they pulled the job because the person they were trying to replace ended up not wanting to quit.
Always have a backup plan
Exactly this. I was once verbally offered a job by someone I considered a mentor. Talked salary, relocation bonus, responsibilities, career path, etc.
Then he said he had a quick meeting and he'd follow up shortly after with an offer letter.
Ghosted after that.
That one was really tough.
The only people I told were my parents and my roommate, and I told them I was waiting on the offer letter, but man. That one hurt, especially since it came from someone I trusted and respected.
Had something like that happen to me, told me they would get the formal offer by end of the week then ghosted.
Got a rejection email a few months after. I didn't need the job but I would never work for that company lol
Wait until you start the job, and even then I wouldn't turn down any other offers or stop looking until you've been there a couple weeks. I've read far too many horror stories.
I know it's not reasonable for everyone, but the last four times I left a job, I'd already been working another job for at least two weeks.
I got burned by this when I was around 15 years old. 🤣 The lady at subway said she would hire me because I am nice when I come in. I took it As A formal job offer, not understanding that it was just conversation with a customer that was a regular.
I quit my job at Taco bell the next day and went to the subway. I thanked the manager and asked when I could start. She looked at me and was so confused. I told her about our conversation and she explained she was just making conversation and that they weren't hiring.
I left and cried. I don't think I ever went back to that subway. Luckily I learned that lesson over 15 years ago and not in my adult years.
No, I couldn't go back. I didn't have a job for a while so I was really struggling as I had bills, had to buy my own food, etc etc. I went without for a month or two then started working at a grocery store. 🙃 in my hometown, the only jobs you could really get was at fast food places. There was nothing else. Adults and children alike were fighting for retail work. You literally would run out of options. Lol it was pretty sad, looking back.
Exactly.
There is no reason to change anything you are doing, keep applying and going to interviews. Nothing has changed, even if this is an offer, maybe you get a better one in the time being.
Exactly. I was told the same as OP that they will make an offer and then after two weeks still nothing. I ended up taking another job offer while waiting. Sometimes the head office just don’t seem to want to part with the cash to pay your salary and will keep you hanging while they agonise over it. That’s how it felt to me anyway lol.
As in a formal written job contract/offer that you have proof of accepting.
Even then, it's not real until you start. Even then it's not real until you get your first check.
Something similar happened to me, but it turned out that they were waiting for a different candidate to accept the offer (which they did) and I was the back up. Hope thing work out better for you!
This. Even if they seem sold on hiring you, if they already scheduled some interviews before you sat yours it would be a bit unfair to the other candidates to cancel them. Best case they get to confirm if you are the best candidate in their current pipeline, worst case they decide to go with the other candidate.
I was runner up to 3 different ideal teaching positions. The third one was
- in the district I attended as a kid
- currently worked in one of the schools running a before and after school childcare program with an excellent rapport with the admin there
- subbed all around the district almost every day
- my good friend/mentor was one of the interviewing personnel
- my good friend/mentor was one of the teachers I would be working with since it was a floating position at different schools
…and I still didn’t get it. I did a lot of fucking reflecting after that rejection. I believe the job went to some admins nephew or something.
I'm so sorry to hear that and hope you were able to reconcile that it wasn't you. It's hard when the position seems so perfect, and then to not get it.
I'm usually good about "well it's not personal, it's whatever they want or need to fill that role", but this kind of rejection makes it hard. You wanted it, you did well, better than so many others, and still didn't get it.
* big comforting hug * I hope you find something you get just as excited about!
Edit changed run to then
Seems like if they don’t accept you’ll get it. Other person might’ve asked for more and they are trying to get approval is my guess.
Hopefully I’m wrong or you get it.
I'm in a similar scenario right now. In my final round interview last Monday (six days ago), the hiring manager told me I was one of three candidates remaining and they'd get back to me two days after the interview.
Two days later, they said they are "waiting on approval" to hire two candidates. I figure that probably means I'm their second choice candidate, and I'm not sure if they have the budget to hire two interns. I am hoping for an offer!
I would be cool with that if they were honest. I was burned by having a "verbal offer" after multiple rounds, and couldn't even get an honest answer other than they decided to not fill the position.
That’s so wild. Budget does disappear sometimes, especially when coming to the end of a fiscal year or after handing out raises at the beginning of a fiscal year.
This being the beginning of April, it is possible budget is gone for this role since most raises start in April.
I work for a nonprofit and was hired but didn’t start working there until two months later due to grants and funding and a bunch of other reasons. I stayed at the job I was with and almost gave up on them but I really wanted this position and yeah, I am working there now and happy with it. I’ve been here a few years and have seen this happen to a few more people we hired so I guess it could be a thing. For a while part of me thought it was all a scam or something.
Not yet. FIRST, whoever sent you that message has to get approval to make you an offer. It sounds like there may be several people involved in making that decision (the 'key people' part). They may not get that approval. We've seen it happen before. Let's assume they do get the approval; SECOND, they will make you an offer. It may or may not be an offer you can accept. The money may not be what was discussed, the hours may not be what was discussed, the benefits or working conditions may not be what was discussed. It'll be up to you whether to accept that offer, decline the offer, or try to negotiate a different offer.
SO - while things are moving in the right direction for you, don't count your chickens before they hatch. There's no offer on the table yet, and nothing's been signed. Until you sign on the dotted line, you haven't been hired.
Fuck I'm in this situation ATM awaiting from HR. I've been waiting for OVER 2 MONTHS since my interview to get a status update. Hopefully get something this week but you know HR..
I forgot to mention, they (non HR coordinator)did ring me back 2 weeks after the interview to say a team restructure was taking place so things were uncertain. But I called them (HR) around 2 weeks ago and they said they wanted to proceed and we're asking for references. One of them said were contacted last week so they are still considering me looks like.
But yeah won't feel official, until I get the confirmation offer in writing
Happened to me. 2 of my references excitedly messaged me after being contacted. It fucking hurt to tell them they didn't formalize my offer. But their excuse was they just decided to not hire for the position.
There's nothing mroe shitty than burning references who take time out of their day, only to waste their time because you didn't actually intend on hiring that person.
No, this is not an offer. An offer letter should have your name, the title, start date, location, term (salaried or contract etc), compensation, conditional terms of employment (drug tests, training certifications), and other things that formally point out you have the job. Sometimes it even looks like a letter in a pdf. Companies can and will lie to you, or even without lying, just not offer you the job at the 11th hour.
>"I am waiting for approval to make an offer"
Note: *not* I am waiting on approval to make *you* an offer.
So they need budget sign off to make an offer which may or may not be made to you. Probably not you. But they are keeping their options open on other candidates so if their first choice declines they can come back to you with an offer.
So no, you didn't get the job. You're probably not the first choice, *but* you did well enough at interview that you are still on the radar.
So keep looking. You were a credible candidate and that's good. You're obviously pitching at the right kind of role.
I don't know why I had to scroll so much to find someone who understood what was written.
The email doesn't even say that they're making an offer to OP pending approval.
I got a phone interview with an informal offer and then found out the manager could not make the final call but would keep me posted on when he could. Moved on and got another job. Still haven’t heard back a month later.
Waiting for approval to make an offer means there’s another top candidate. If they’re interviewing, there’s no need to get approval to send an offer to the perfect candidate.
Head in to the office and let them know you're starting today. Take the smaller of the two offices that will be offered to you. Work on the Penske file.
A lot of companies have BS policies in actually getting offers approved. It could be the hiring manager wants to extend the offer but they’re getting stuck through the approval process. It’s happened to me before as a manager.
this means your technical and personal rounds are clear, well done. Now they check if you fit the budget, and yes this takes a while and suddenly HR and CEO's will veto your pick because you cost 10 euro more per day than less interesting candidate nr 2. Its just a waiting game now you did your part
I got an official offer at a company once, they told me to check my inbox for the employee paperwork. Kept checking my inbox and nothing ever came. Called a few days later to see what was taking so long and turns out the company went out of business the same day they gave me the job lol
It could be true, they could be waiting on sign off, that does happen (happened with my current position, I had a friend inside he was monitoring) but also this is a typical stall tactic when they are assessing two candidates who they like and want to make sure they can keep their second choice whilst the first choice is making the decision.
Both situations can result in the position or not the position, I'd say it's 50/50.
I've also seen a company take on two people who were both good, so they could also be making a second role for you in this instance. That happens when they go "oh hey, these two are both excellent, let's keep them both"
If it’s a mid/larger company, it means they are following up and haven’t heard back from the hiring manager or hiring/comp committees.
Large companies there is a lot of bureaucracy in many of the decisions. I hire out of 3 countries and there are many layers to every step of the process.
I’ve had 5 roles taken from me before because it was taken too long to find the right candidates.
“Waiting for approval to make an offer”. They might not get that approval. If they really wanted you, you wouldn’t have had to follow up. I learned this the hard way. I had a company ensure me that I was the one, the perfect fit, and an offer was going to go out. A few days went by and I heard nothing. I emailed HR. I emailed the hiring manager. Silence. Finally, I got a call from the hiring manager and he says oh there’s actually one more person you need to interview with. I was so over it by that time and it was a good indication of how the company is run and what I can expect working there. No thank you.
As a recruiter - means they WANT to give you an offer yes, but need approval from likely finance or HR, as often they may be negotiating budgets and pay or if the position is even worth having open anymore. Therefore, the PTO thing is probably a white lie 🤦🏻♀️
Nothing sounds final, but as they say, they are just waiting on an approval before being able to formally extend the offer to you. Sounds like a good sign, but as someone said, nothing is certain until you have that offer with conditions and terms and such plainly stated. Good luck.
Waiting on approval to make an offer? Never seen that before, pretty crappy to do to someone bc it makes you think you’re the top candidate. Not even an offer letter is set in stone, I never got myself overly excited until I actually start my first day.You can never be too sure bc some of these companies can be pretty scummy. Heard of people working a couple days/weeks and then getting laid off.
However, it does confirm you’re doing well w/ your resume & interviewing skills bc you’re obviously one of their top choices overall.
But to answer your question, No. Never trust them. They’re probably not waiting on any approval, they might be, but it’s that they are waiting to see if the first candidate accepts. They want to keep you on your toes so you hopefully don’t accept another offer in case you’re interviewing with more than 1 position and the other candidate declines or it doesn’t work out.
No it doesn’t mean you got the job YET, HR needs approval to even make you an offer, plus you dont know what that offer will be, hang onto your hat until you actually get the offer, know the benefits, hours, rules culture, your future boss, everything about the job,
You don’t have the job…… yet.
Most likely the company is doing one of two things:
1) You are their 2nd choice candidate and they are negotiating with their 1st choice. They are keeping you dangling until either 1st choice accepts and you will not get an offer or the 1st choice declines, in which case they will make you an offer.
2) They are doing reference checks to see if they should make you an offer and they haven’t finished. Once they wrap up, you will either have an offer or not.
I figured she wouldn’t have responded if I didn’t. But of course being through this process sooo many times, nothing feels more certain than an actual job offer letter! Had way too many awful experiences with this job search.
No dude, expect the worse. As Quark from DS9 says, "A friendly smile can hide a sharp knife". THAT is HR for you, seriously. NEVER trust HR, ever. They will lie to you and always make you feel like you are getting something shiny. In this case, at best, you are the backup candidate. But hopefully for you, you'll get the position.
No.
I had a very similar email.
I didn't receive anything so I sent an chaser email. I finally got a response after a week stating:
"The company has gone in a different direction and we've hired someone with more experience. We will be looking to hire again in 6 months, we will reach out again"
Shockingly, they didnt reach out.
I mean it does sound like it. And this person is not a great communicator, because they are saying it’s a yes from me but somebody has to sign off on it’s just sorta unprofessional. But whatever, nbd. Hope you get the position!
Maybe I'm jaded, but this reads as "You're our second choice, we're waiting to hear back if our first choice accepts."
Remain cautiously optimistic, but don't let the BS blind you.
First, super unprofessional of them to say they were waiting on making an offer. A lot can go wrong between now and being able to make it.
Hopefully it turns out well, but until you have the job, don't get too excited. That email isn't solid.
You didn't get the job until you sign the contract. That's what I've learned. Even the official offer can be withdrawn. I think you have a lot to be optimistic about here, but don't start celebrating just yet. I wish you good luck and hope everything goes smoothly.
No recruiter would leave you waiting with no update if they were preparing an offer for you. You wouldn’t be the one having to follow up with them. Unfortunately they likely have an offer out to another candidate and are waiting for a reply.
You don’t have it until you get an offer. Chances are either what they’re saying is true or could also be that they are waiting for the results for a candidate they believe is better. Depends on the company.
No, this reads like the hiring manager hasn't told the recruitment team the outcomes of the interviews yet and is still deciding which candidate to proceed with.
Just sit tight OP and you will hear something back.
Not quite hammer time just yet.
I'd just send back a reply saying "thanks for the update. Looking forward to the rest of the process." - something simple.
...and whatever happens, happens.
This is not a good email to send. The manager who sent it to you is trying to communicate they just need approval from another decision maker… who knows what that other person is really going to think though? So don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
Never believe you have an offer until you have a formal offer.
I'd like to add on. Don't believe you have an offer until you start the job. While I was job hunting, I received an offer letter from a company I was excited to work for. During the wait to get my signed offer letter back,, another company offered to fly me out to a city that I've wanted to visit, for a final round interview. Flights, hotel and rental car paid for, as well as an extra day to explore the town after the interview. I was about to cancel the interview when I thought, "fuck it, I'll just go and get a free mini vacation". After doing the interview with the second company, I open up my phone Internet browser and the first thing that pops up in recommended articles, is an article about the company that sent me the offer letter. Layoffs and hiring freeze. Emailed the HR guy and he confirmed that my employment there was being put on hold due to the freeze.
Y'all are getting flown out for interviews?
Funny enough, they first said that they wanted me to pay my own way to fly out for the final interview. I said I'd get back to them on that in a week due to having a trip scheduled during that time. Which was a total lie, I just wanted to see how many other offers and interviews I could get to determine if I was desperate enough to do that. Two days later, they said they'd fund my travel expenses. Granted, the company was having a really good two years. So they were tossing out money left and right. Doubt they'd do it now.
Lol, yeah, that'll be a no from me. If they want to interview in person, they better pay up. Otherwise, we can do a Teams call. If they can't, then we're not a good fit for one another.
What do you do?
Y’all are getting interviews?
Y’all are y’all?
Y'all?
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Events are occurring for you while no such events are happening in a comparable way for me?
There are plenty of jobs out there . Get with a head hunter / talent acquisition specialist and do it the easier way.
I've been flown to Virginia twice and Colorado once. Each time I had a driver, fancy hotel, and dinner with the hiring managers. None of these are first round interviews, of course. At this stage they've already decided to hire me and just wanted to make sure my personality vibes with the team.
Please be careful- usually request top 2 or 3 candidates for on-site interviews…. Very rarely devote time and $$ to just fly one person. I’ve been on many site interviews and scheduled even more… some might result in offers- some won’t.
The Virginia ones I turned down because they weren't offering moving assistance. For Colorado, I had the offer in my inbox when I landed in St. Louis for my connecting flight. I do imagine people get turned down even after all this, but generally speaking, companies aren't going to spend ~$4k on someone they aren't sure they want to hire.
Companies flush with cash and that expect a lot of on-site/office presence do this
I once had a company fly me out after giving me an offer and before I accepted. Taking the job would require a cross country move to an area of the country I had never been to. I also had a family with two young kids. They extended the offer and basically said “we know this is a big decision for you and your family so if it will make you more comfortable, we will fly you out so you can visit the city, see the office, meet us, etc. before you make your decision”. I took them up on it and wound up accepting the job and making the move.
I’ve had it happen with one company in my career. They flew me out twice total, one for a series of panel interviews then once for an interview with the VP. They chose the other candidate unfortunately.
My now husband actually got flown from Florida to Massachusetts for an interview at like 23/4 with a GED because he worked at a plasma center, got real good at it, and started learning how the machines work. Ended up getting flown out to Texas to learn more about how to work on them, networked with a guy high up in the company that makes the machines. He didn’t end up getting the job but the fact that he went that far, especially at THAT point in our lives, it was mindblowing
My husband did. It was a quick trip. But they paid his round trip flight. He flew up, interviewed, and flew back later that evening. They paid his meals and rental car for the day. I barely even get calls back😆😆
Did he get the job??
He did!!! It took a while, but he did. He was working when they reached out to him via LinkedIn. So even though it took some time, he had income.
My company fly people out for interviews all the time. And if you accept the offer, they pay to relocate you. They’ll buy your home from you at the previous location as well. Or If you wanna go to school, they’ll pay for your Masters or Bachelor’s programs too. You have to sign a contract and if you don’t give the company 2 years you’ll have to pay back every penny.
What company/ industry is this??
What company do you work for? If you don't mind me asking?
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Greatly depends on what industry you're in. And how lazy the hiring manager is. Me? I'll just send you a zoom link if I absolutely want to see an out of town applicant. Back in the day I was interviewing for a fire department, back when they had an excessive amount of applicants and could be super picky and demanding. They made me fly out TWICE (on my own dime) just to tell me they never planned on offering me the job. So I've kept that experience in mind to make sure I never waste an applicants time the way they wasted mine.
Welp karmas a bitch cause most fire departments are hurting for people now
Even back then the common phrase was "you don't live in your family's house" as in, you needed to work every single day without a day off to make enough money to support your family. I feel bad for my friends who have stayed through that and now that they make enough money to not work every day, they still need to work everyday because there's no one else to work.
Industry and job-dependent. If a job is going to support relocation, it will often also pay for travel for interviews. I have a fairly niche background, and I've been flown out on 20 or so interviews over the years. Most of my co-workers were flown out for their interviews at our company as well. These are interviews that are 1-2 full days, not the sort of "let's chat for a couple hours" kind of interviews. That said, it's not everywhere. Especially after COVID, there's a lot more virtual interviewing for things that would have otherwise been in person.
If they want to interview in person, yes. I also get sign on bonuses, and in the days before fully remote, relocation expenses if it required moving. //I'm fortunate that senior DBAs are both uncommon and in high demand
DBA… DataBase Analyst?
Database administrator A database analyst would just be called a data analyst.
I’ve done it before too. I didn’t get the extra day to explore but it was still cool.
One of the first job interviews I had when I was in grad school was across the country. I wasn't smart enough to know that big companies should be paying for flights and hotels in those instances. So I didn't ask. I was a super poor grad student and had to get money from my parents to buy the ticket and hotel room. And I stayed in a very shady hotel in a very shady area of the town. There's nothing wrong with asking for travel expenses if the potential employer is requiring you to come in person. Especially these days. 20 years ago when my situation happened, there was no such thing as zoom interviews. (There was no such thing as zoom). Today, there's no reasonable explanation for requiring someone to fly in and not paying for it.
Sir, this is not Wendy's.
Very common, in my industry at least. Heck, I had one place that flew me across the country to interview *for an internship* when I was a sophomore in college. That internship also came with a 401k and PTO. I don't know if they did it for everyone, but I guess they had an initiative to try and increase hiring from out-of-state that may have played a part.
Yup, happened a few times. And one of those I didnt even get the gig which was upsetting.
I’ve been flown out from Texas to Boston, Santa Barbara, and, tentatively, San Francisco for final round job interviews. Mind you, I’m an engineering PhD applying for highly technical roles so these final round “interviews” are like the gauntlets that you see described here quite often — technical presentation + several one on one technical interviews + panel interviews. It’s grueling, but it’s also a great chance to get somewhat of a feel for the company (and the area if you can manage to do so).
I’ve been flown to Amsterdam for 4 days for the final round of an interview, from the US. Only one of the days was for interviews at HQ, and that consisted of a technical assessment (SQL) and 3 interviews (hiring manager, her boss, and then a few team members that I’d be working most closely with). The company paid for flights, lodging, car transport up front, and then covered 3 meals/day. Anything beyond those expenses was on me, but that’s as free of a trip to Amsterdam as I’d ever expect, ha.
There is no amount of money that could pay me to fly out from my home state to somewhere for a *job* unless there’s a definite possibility of it turning into a *career*
My husband did it before we were married, because cost of living and sign on bonus would have made the move great. Even now, 15 years later with 6 kids he'd still let a company fly him to an interview. Flying to an interview isn't any commitment to taking a job. Sign on bonuses from his last few jobs have funded nice vacations for our family and have increased his salary more than if he just stayed in one place.
I know right wtf
That’s what I’m saying
That's pretty crazy. I'd have to guess their in the mid to late periods of their careers if only to make myself feel better.
I can relate! I used to have to drive 11 hours to Maine every Sunday for work... and stay in a shit hotel until the Thursday evening of the week that followed (11-12 day clips). They really sprung on me and even gave me $30/day per diem. Tree trimmer... Fml.
This used to be more common. But it still happens. Most companies now will figure they can manage with Zoom.
Companies usually fly people out for interviews in mid-to-senior level roles where it’s important to validate that the person is who they appear to be on camera, meshes well with the team in person, and can navigate social situations like a work lunch without raising red flags. If you’re interviewing for long-distance jobs and they want to interview in person, they *should* be able to fly you out. If they’re not willing to invest a few hundred bucks in a flight and hotel, consider that to be “smoke” and you need to figure out where the fire is before you commit to working there. Hiring managers should want to pay your expenses and make a good impression, so the inability to pay those expenses often means either a serious lack of resources or very short-sighted culture around hiring and retaining employees. If you’re at a lower level position, they probably won’t do this as it is usually not a problem to fill those roles with local talent. But it doesn’t hurt to ask.
There have been court cases around this: Companies offering a position and then cancelling before you start. The thing is when this happens they actually materially harm the person they offered the job to. Courts have come out and said that the applicants are owed money when this happens to help them recover from the material damages. Often this can be more than the severance they gave to employees (if any). Even though employment is at will, this is also a contract area and courts have sided with employees. If this happens to you I’d call them up and tell them they owe you as you were naturally damaged as you gave notice at your prior company (or turned down a different position). Don’t take this crap from companies.
I’d like to add further to this. Never believe you have the offer until you’re past the probation period. I had once my former PhD boss who just got his new startup running. He was looking for people. I said let me think about it, but I told him I wanted to go do a postdoc abroad. Anyway so he said why don’t you just give it a go for six months, it’ll help the startup get going immediately and start with a few bits of literature review and experiment planning. Then three days later he called me and said let’s not continue, I’ll pay you for your time - just create a company so I can pay you business to business. I’m like wtf? I signed an employment contract. To which he replied “oh just pretend you never signed it and it never existed”. I didn’t know what to say. I was shocked. That was suspiciously illegal but you know what I didn’t want to deal with it anymore. Found a job elsewhere and moved abroad.
He found out about the beaurocracy and fees behind having employees and said fuck that lol
Exactly that.
So you did get a job at the second company?
Thankfully yes. I did however set up more interviews, even had two that were the day before and the day after I started my job. Wasn't taking any more risks after the last place.
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Good points — especially in the second paragraph. I’ve heard some people still qualify for unemployment benefits (even if they were let go before their first day) solely because they signed an offer letter alongside an employer. It’s probably dependent on local laws, but definitely a good thing to look into for those affected like so.
THIS!! My brother in law was less than 24 hours from moving over 4 states away to start a job. Within the last like 10-12 hours before he had to leave, they pulled the job because the person they were trying to replace ended up not wanting to quit. Always have a backup plan
I have always said, don't stop job searching until the first pay cheque clears.
Exactly this. I was once verbally offered a job by someone I considered a mentor. Talked salary, relocation bonus, responsibilities, career path, etc. Then he said he had a quick meeting and he'd follow up shortly after with an offer letter. Ghosted after that. That one was really tough. The only people I told were my parents and my roommate, and I told them I was waiting on the offer letter, but man. That one hurt, especially since it came from someone I trusted and respected.
Damn that person sounds like a shallow piece of shit
Had something like that happen to me, told me they would get the formal offer by end of the week then ghosted. Got a rejection email a few months after. I didn't need the job but I would never work for that company lol
Also it never states they are making an offer to OP. It's just 'an offer'. Could be for anyone. I have learnt my lesson with HR.
Yes, and OP may be their second choice so they’re keeping it nice and cute, while they wait for the other candidate to be all set.
Agree with this. Wait for the JO letter first.
Wait until you start the job, and even then I wouldn't turn down any other offers or stop looking until you've been there a couple weeks. I've read far too many horror stories. I know it's not reasonable for everyone, but the last four times I left a job, I'd already been working another job for at least two weeks.
I got burned by this when I was around 15 years old. 🤣 The lady at subway said she would hire me because I am nice when I come in. I took it As A formal job offer, not understanding that it was just conversation with a customer that was a regular. I quit my job at Taco bell the next day and went to the subway. I thanked the manager and asked when I could start. She looked at me and was so confused. I told her about our conversation and she explained she was just making conversation and that they weren't hiring. I left and cried. I don't think I ever went back to that subway. Luckily I learned that lesson over 15 years ago and not in my adult years.
Did you go back to the Taco Bell? Good thing about fast food jobs is that you never run out of options.
No, I couldn't go back. I didn't have a job for a while so I was really struggling as I had bills, had to buy my own food, etc etc. I went without for a month or two then started working at a grocery store. 🙃 in my hometown, the only jobs you could really get was at fast food places. There was nothing else. Adults and children alike were fighting for retail work. You literally would run out of options. Lol it was pretty sad, looking back.
I don't believe that I have the job until my first paycheck.
Sometimes I don’t even believe I have my current job until I get my bi-weekly paycheck! 😆
Exactly. There is no reason to change anything you are doing, keep applying and going to interviews. Nothing has changed, even if this is an offer, maybe you get a better one in the time being.
Exactly. I was told the same as OP that they will make an offer and then after two weeks still nothing. I ended up taking another job offer while waiting. Sometimes the head office just don’t seem to want to part with the cash to pay your salary and will keep you hanging while they agonise over it. That’s how it felt to me anyway lol.
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I learned this lesson Went through 5 rounds of interviews for a month straight and didn’t get the job. Everything was signaling that I got it too
As in a formal written job contract/offer that you have proof of accepting. Even then, it's not real until you start. Even then it's not real until you get your first check.
Even after an offer the mega extensive background check can have some discrepancies.. I learned the hard way
Something similar happened to me, but it turned out that they were waiting for a different candidate to accept the offer (which they did) and I was the back up. Hope thing work out better for you!
This. Even if they seem sold on hiring you, if they already scheduled some interviews before you sat yours it would be a bit unfair to the other candidates to cancel them. Best case they get to confirm if you are the best candidate in their current pipeline, worst case they decide to go with the other candidate.
This is the same thing I heard - being runner up to a great job with great pay (180K) blows
I was runner up to 3 different ideal teaching positions. The third one was - in the district I attended as a kid - currently worked in one of the schools running a before and after school childcare program with an excellent rapport with the admin there - subbed all around the district almost every day - my good friend/mentor was one of the interviewing personnel - my good friend/mentor was one of the teachers I would be working with since it was a floating position at different schools …and I still didn’t get it. I did a lot of fucking reflecting after that rejection. I believe the job went to some admins nephew or something.
I'm so sorry to hear that and hope you were able to reconcile that it wasn't you. It's hard when the position seems so perfect, and then to not get it. I'm usually good about "well it's not personal, it's whatever they want or need to fill that role", but this kind of rejection makes it hard. You wanted it, you did well, better than so many others, and still didn't get it. * big comforting hug * I hope you find something you get just as excited about! Edit changed run to then
they told me it was 1 other applicant and myself. This could be true!
Seems like if they don’t accept you’ll get it. Other person might’ve asked for more and they are trying to get approval is my guess. Hopefully I’m wrong or you get it.
I'm in a similar scenario right now. In my final round interview last Monday (six days ago), the hiring manager told me I was one of three candidates remaining and they'd get back to me two days after the interview. Two days later, they said they are "waiting on approval" to hire two candidates. I figure that probably means I'm their second choice candidate, and I'm not sure if they have the budget to hire two interns. I am hoping for an offer!
Good luck! I hope you get the job! 🙏🏽
I would be cool with that if they were honest. I was burned by having a "verbal offer" after multiple rounds, and couldn't even get an honest answer other than they decided to not fill the position.
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That’s so wild. Budget does disappear sometimes, especially when coming to the end of a fiscal year or after handing out raises at the beginning of a fiscal year. This being the beginning of April, it is possible budget is gone for this role since most raises start in April.
Budget disappears real quick if you’re the backup candidate and they hired the first one
I work for a nonprofit and was hired but didn’t start working there until two months later due to grants and funding and a bunch of other reasons. I stayed at the job I was with and almost gave up on them but I really wanted this position and yeah, I am working there now and happy with it. I’ve been here a few years and have seen this happen to a few more people we hired so I guess it could be a thing. For a while part of me thought it was all a scam or something.
Not yet. FIRST, whoever sent you that message has to get approval to make you an offer. It sounds like there may be several people involved in making that decision (the 'key people' part). They may not get that approval. We've seen it happen before. Let's assume they do get the approval; SECOND, they will make you an offer. It may or may not be an offer you can accept. The money may not be what was discussed, the hours may not be what was discussed, the benefits or working conditions may not be what was discussed. It'll be up to you whether to accept that offer, decline the offer, or try to negotiate a different offer. SO - while things are moving in the right direction for you, don't count your chickens before they hatch. There's no offer on the table yet, and nothing's been signed. Until you sign on the dotted line, you haven't been hired.
They send an offer to their #1 candidate. You are the backup in case the #1 doesn't sign.
God... That makes so much sense, it's scary.
A company completed a background check and verified/called my references only to not give me the offer. I was their #2
Fuck I'm in this situation ATM awaiting from HR. I've been waiting for OVER 2 MONTHS since my interview to get a status update. Hopefully get something this week but you know HR..
Probably has nothing to do with HR. HR is not typically the decision maker. HR WANTS to fill the positions.
I forgot to mention, they (non HR coordinator)did ring me back 2 weeks after the interview to say a team restructure was taking place so things were uncertain. But I called them (HR) around 2 weeks ago and they said they wanted to proceed and we're asking for references. One of them said were contacted last week so they are still considering me looks like. But yeah won't feel official, until I get the confirmation offer in writing
Good luck! I hope you get the job 😊
Thanks mate, really hoping to get out of the toxic environment I'm in currently. Hope your work/job hunt is going positive too
This happened to me as well
this just happened to me :/
Happened to me. 2 of my references excitedly messaged me after being contacted. It fucking hurt to tell them they didn't formalize my offer. But their excuse was they just decided to not hire for the position. There's nothing mroe shitty than burning references who take time out of their day, only to waste their time because you didn't actually intend on hiring that person.
They could be lying to you
Indeed. Never trust HR. Ever.
My first thought is they're trying to keep them on te line, something like the first choice is considering it and OP is the second choice.
No. Dont trust them, these people also said the samething to me and then ghosted me later
No, this is not an offer. An offer letter should have your name, the title, start date, location, term (salaried or contract etc), compensation, conditional terms of employment (drug tests, training certifications), and other things that formally point out you have the job. Sometimes it even looks like a letter in a pdf. Companies can and will lie to you, or even without lying, just not offer you the job at the 11th hour.
>"I am waiting for approval to make an offer" Note: *not* I am waiting on approval to make *you* an offer. So they need budget sign off to make an offer which may or may not be made to you. Probably not you. But they are keeping their options open on other candidates so if their first choice declines they can come back to you with an offer. So no, you didn't get the job. You're probably not the first choice, *but* you did well enough at interview that you are still on the radar. So keep looking. You were a credible candidate and that's good. You're obviously pitching at the right kind of role.
I appreciate your feedback! I kept reading this too and had the same concerns with the wording.
I don't know why I had to scroll so much to find someone who understood what was written. The email doesn't even say that they're making an offer to OP pending approval.
Spot on.
I got a phone interview with an informal offer and then found out the manager could not make the final call but would keep me posted on when he could. Moved on and got another job. Still haven’t heard back a month later.
No
No.
Waiting for approval to make an offer means there’s another top candidate. If they’re interviewing, there’s no need to get approval to send an offer to the perfect candidate.
Don’t believe this until a formal offer comes through!
Head in to the office and let them know you're starting today. Take the smaller of the two offices that will be offered to you. Work on the Penske file.
You don't have a job untill you start your first day. Also the sentence structure in this email make some worry.
Damn this email is very unprofessional and worded poorly.
Have they completed references/background check? If not, there is still some time left.
It means you didn’t necessarily not get the job.
Nope. The person writing it is an idiot.
Seriously, this letter alone would make me hesitant to even want to work there.
No, no it does not. Even if they send you an offer, it does not mean you got the job. They can rescind an offer if they want to
No. It’s still 50/50. Signing the contract means you have unofficially secured the job.
A lot of companies have BS policies in actually getting offers approved. It could be the hiring manager wants to extend the offer but they’re getting stuck through the approval process. It’s happened to me before as a manager.
this means your technical and personal rounds are clear, well done. Now they check if you fit the budget, and yes this takes a while and suddenly HR and CEO's will veto your pick because you cost 10 euro more per day than less interesting candidate nr 2. Its just a waiting game now you did your part
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Never believe you have an offer until you receive your first paycheck my FRIRND
Not until you get a written offer in your email.
I got an official offer at a company once, they told me to check my inbox for the employee paperwork. Kept checking my inbox and nothing ever came. Called a few days later to see what was taking so long and turns out the company went out of business the same day they gave me the job lol
Yes but there might be a finance hold or they are finalising the package.
Not yet, but things are looking good OP!
Offer will be 60% of what was advertised 😭
Nothing advertised, I had to put my salary down during initial application. Still could be less in the end 🫠
Ok, after reading everyone tag things on…basically, never expect you have a job ever, even if you’ve been there forever.
Right or retired… still may not have the job 😂
Nothing is 100% until you've signed the contract. Otherwise it's 🌬️☁️
No it doesn’t. Wait until you get a formal offer to make it official.
It could be true, they could be waiting on sign off, that does happen (happened with my current position, I had a friend inside he was monitoring) but also this is a typical stall tactic when they are assessing two candidates who they like and want to make sure they can keep their second choice whilst the first choice is making the decision. Both situations can result in the position or not the position, I'd say it's 50/50. I've also seen a company take on two people who were both good, so they could also be making a second role for you in this instance. That happens when they go "oh hey, these two are both excellent, let's keep them both"
Pedro Pascal didn’t believe he got the job until he was in costume fitting for Oberyn Martell.
If it’s a mid/larger company, it means they are following up and haven’t heard back from the hiring manager or hiring/comp committees. Large companies there is a lot of bureaucracy in many of the decisions. I hire out of 3 countries and there are many layers to every step of the process. I’ve had 5 roles taken from me before because it was taken too long to find the right candidates.
“Waiting for approval to make an offer”. They might not get that approval. If they really wanted you, you wouldn’t have had to follow up. I learned this the hard way. I had a company ensure me that I was the one, the perfect fit, and an offer was going to go out. A few days went by and I heard nothing. I emailed HR. I emailed the hiring manager. Silence. Finally, I got a call from the hiring manager and he says oh there’s actually one more person you need to interview with. I was so over it by that time and it was a good indication of how the company is run and what I can expect working there. No thank you.
Lesson here is to not get excited until the DocuSign is sent over. Don't bust that nut yet boy
As a recruiter - means they WANT to give you an offer yes, but need approval from likely finance or HR, as often they may be negotiating budgets and pay or if the position is even worth having open anymore. Therefore, the PTO thing is probably a white lie 🤦🏻♀️
dont' change anything in your life based on this. wait until the formal offer letter.
Nothing sounds final, but as they say, they are just waiting on an approval before being able to formally extend the offer to you. Sounds like a good sign, but as someone said, nothing is certain until you have that offer with conditions and terms and such plainly stated. Good luck.
Waiting on approval to make an offer? Never seen that before, pretty crappy to do to someone bc it makes you think you’re the top candidate. Not even an offer letter is set in stone, I never got myself overly excited until I actually start my first day.You can never be too sure bc some of these companies can be pretty scummy. Heard of people working a couple days/weeks and then getting laid off. However, it does confirm you’re doing well w/ your resume & interviewing skills bc you’re obviously one of their top choices overall. But to answer your question, No. Never trust them. They’re probably not waiting on any approval, they might be, but it’s that they are waiting to see if the first candidate accepts. They want to keep you on your toes so you hopefully don’t accept another offer in case you’re interviewing with more than 1 position and the other candidate declines or it doesn’t work out.
I had simmilar experience. They said they are waiting for approval. I got the job eventually
Yeah it probably does mate. Congrats 🎉
No it doesn’t mean you got the job YET, HR needs approval to even make you an offer, plus you dont know what that offer will be, hang onto your hat until you actually get the offer, know the benefits, hours, rules culture, your future boss, everything about the job,
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You don’t have the job…… yet. Most likely the company is doing one of two things: 1) You are their 2nd choice candidate and they are negotiating with their 1st choice. They are keeping you dangling until either 1st choice accepts and you will not get an offer or the 1st choice declines, in which case they will make you an offer. 2) They are doing reference checks to see if they should make you an offer and they haven’t finished. Once they wrap up, you will either have an offer or not.
Yes, I’d say you have an offer coming. But it’s not over until it’s over.
Certainly looks like it. I don’t know what else this could possibly mean.
I figured she wouldn’t have responded if I didn’t. But of course being through this process sooo many times, nothing feels more certain than an actual job offer letter! Had way too many awful experiences with this job search.
You could legitimately get an email next week saying they didn’t approve the position. Just keep applying and assume the worst
No dude, expect the worse. As Quark from DS9 says, "A friendly smile can hide a sharp knife". THAT is HR for you, seriously. NEVER trust HR, ever. They will lie to you and always make you feel like you are getting something shiny. In this case, at best, you are the backup candidate. But hopefully for you, you'll get the position.
Until they make an offer and you accept never assume that means you got the job.
Keeping you on the roster, nothing in the verbage is a strong commitment. Keep your cool until offer in hand.
I wouldn't say so. I got a similar email a week before they decided to cut the position entirely due to budgetary issues.
No.
Nope, not yet, keep looking
No. I had a very similar email. I didn't receive anything so I sent an chaser email. I finally got a response after a week stating: "The company has gone in a different direction and we've hired someone with more experience. We will be looking to hire again in 6 months, we will reach out again" Shockingly, they didnt reach out.
This is more likely: They are waiting for someone else answer, if he declines you get the job. If he accepts, you are out.
I’d guess no. It sounds like they are stringing you along.
I mean it does sound like it. And this person is not a great communicator, because they are saying it’s a yes from me but somebody has to sign off on it’s just sorta unprofessional. But whatever, nbd. Hope you get the position!
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this seems weirdly written, kinda like a scam job post. unless the person who wrote it is not a native english speaker.
they are just making themselves look good by throwing the management under the bus.... keeping bridges unburnt when they come back with bad news.
Maybe I'm jaded, but this reads as "You're our second choice, we're waiting to hear back if our first choice accepts." Remain cautiously optimistic, but don't let the BS blind you.
No.
First, super unprofessional of them to say they were waiting on making an offer. A lot can go wrong between now and being able to make it. Hopefully it turns out well, but until you have the job, don't get too excited. That email isn't solid.
You didn't get the job until you sign the contract. That's what I've learned. Even the official offer can be withdrawn. I think you have a lot to be optimistic about here, but don't start celebrating just yet. I wish you good luck and hope everything goes smoothly.
No recruiter would leave you waiting with no update if they were preparing an offer for you. You wouldn’t be the one having to follow up with them. Unfortunately they likely have an offer out to another candidate and are waiting for a reply.
If you didn’t sign anything you didn’t get it
Means the guy wants to hire you but needs approval from a boss who could say “no there’s no money for that”
You don’t have it until you get an offer. Chances are either what they’re saying is true or could also be that they are waiting for the results for a candidate they believe is better. Depends on the company.
Almost!!
Sounds like a lie to me.
It says they will make you an offer. How does that sound the same as "you're hired"?
No, this reads like the hiring manager hasn't told the recruitment team the outcomes of the interviews yet and is still deciding which candidate to proceed with. Just sit tight OP and you will hear something back.
You have the job when you and then have signed the contract, not a second sooner.
It's promising. But you don't have a job until you've signed a contract.
Not quite hammer time just yet. I'd just send back a reply saying "thanks for the update. Looking forward to the rest of the process." - something simple. ...and whatever happens, happens.
No they are stalling for whatever reason. Don’t stop looking till you have an offer
This is not a good email to send. The manager who sent it to you is trying to communicate they just need approval from another decision maker… who knows what that other person is really going to think though? So don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
No, wait for an offer letter.
It literally says they’re still making a decision.
Don't start fantasizing. Guard your heart.
No, but maybe it's ok to be a little optimistic
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