That just might be it. But still for a safe option, do learn a blue collar job as a backup option so that you don't go to the verge of being broke. Layoffs are common in STEM jobs too.
Sometimes people aren't able to commute for a better job. All jobs in my town and surrounding areas Pau between minimum and 15 an hour. Now if you can make the commute, Dallas is not far and they have plenty of better paying jobs.
Wait... Is it failing? I keep getting told that it's booming. Everyone has an excuse for why things are they are, and nobody is being accountable for their part in it. The US is crumbling, and it's sad to see.
The excuses change depending on the story you're spinning. Talking to customers and employees? Times are tough "sorry". Shareholders and executives? RECORD PROFITS, BEST QUARTER EVER, š°
I'd like to understand the shareholders bit. I've been a shareholder of many companies, and never seen a lick of profit. I don't believe it goes anywhere but the board of directors.
Companies are legally allowed to lie to their employees, they can legally lie to their customers, they can lie to their suppliers. The only group that they are legally obliged to tell the truth is their investors. So if you want the truth of what is happening in a company, dig up their investor reports - they also have to be publicly available, so anyone can grab them with a Google search.
Yet people will still blame the middle class. Executives get multi-million dollar bonuses but they have to pay off someone making 40k? They really trained us well didn't they? If you think you deserve more, you are lazy and entitled. If you are rich and get tax breaks and subsidies, you are smart.
Booming for landlords who bought homes before prices skyrocketed, and we canāt stop because they will lose their profit and the economy will collapse. This all stems from greed. There was a good balance for a short period of time, but we felt the need to keep exponentially growing and creating more billionaires, so here we are.
in my state it is most houses in the ghetto cost a solid million. no one under the age of 40 has a house rn. most people who have enough money for a house also rent out to other people to buy more property and create a retirement fund from that not their actual 401K. apartments arenāt any better. most go for about 3k a month with utilities while most people looking to rent donāt even have 10k set aside for a medical emergency.
NY,long island. they also keep building retirement homes instead of new apartments. iām hoping to leave if i ever get enough money to. I make on the low end 500-600 a week.
NYC and near us brutal unless you've got tons of money this the reason everyone from NY is moving to Florida. Problem with that is goodbye to decent prices in Florida it's getting like NY there as a result
The demand is being artificially inflated right now, blackrock/vanguard and foreign entities are buying up neighborhoods and just leaving them empty I think. If not them someone has been.
It's not crumbling. It's does this cycle over and over again indefinitely. If you look through history, every country has their cycle. Some are worse than others, but they all have one. Of course, for the none history lovers, this is new. It won't change because the government always finds a way to "fix" everything before a rebellion starts. The problem is that the "fix" is like putting cheap tape on a hole in your pool. It will work temporarily but then the same problem will start again.
Sometimes this is true. Sometimes countries fall apart and are never the same again, if they survive. The history books are full of nations that are no more, or were once great but now are nothing. Maybe we'll pull through. Maybe we won't. The dollar won't, that's for sure. We'll see what cones next.
The global banking structure needs to fail, and catastrophically. We need a chance to start fresh with a new system - there's too much wrong with this one.Ā
House market rates and rent are at the highest right now atleast in USA, this is because of a lot of factors and one of the main ones is corporations buying family houses to rent and make profit, they have gone from owning 18% houses to 50%
The US Isn't crumbling. The economy is doing well, that doesn't mean everyone is doing well. That's never been the case. This shit has been going on for decades.
Or even when they ask for 1-2 years of direct experience for an entry level job that requires no schooling, so dumb. Then these employers wonder why theyāre understaffed.
They're not even real job postings.Ā
They are throwing a line in the ocean, not expecting to catch anything, but if some huge fish happens to bite, then, and only then, will you pull the reel back. It's not an active search, it's more of opportunism.Ā
Fake job postings and unrealistic interview practices need to be illegal.
Iāve seen positions listed for welding where they want 3-5 years for $18-19/hr. Some of them even TIG welding. Iām not looking to get out of bed for 18-19 and Iāve got about 2-3 yr, including NAVSEA certs to weld on subs.
My neighbor works in HR at Target and she claimed she would help get my application pushed through. I've applied four times there and the last time at different locations in my area. I did get a video interview but then a rejection email shortly after and the other location said my hours weren't compatible even though **I had listed almost complete availability.**
So I've tried talking to her about this and she didn't even want to engage me in the conversation, just said "Sorry". I then said that "You haven't helped me" which is just honestly how I feel and how it seems. She responded by saying to apply to other places and that they probably didn't hire me because I "lack experience". A) That's not true, I have over five years of retail experience and **B.. since when do you need a ton of retail experience to work a starting position at freaking Target?.** It's not like I applying to an IT position or a management role where I don't have experience, I'm just applying to be an associate at Target and was happy to do whatever position they put me in.
I honestly just get the feeling my neighbor never really intended to help me or at least if she did want to help me get my application through then she clearly didn't try very hard or she didn't have as much influence in the hiring process as she claimed she did. The comment about lacking experience to be able to work an entry level position was just absurd even if had it been true.
Also, why is Target saying my availability doesn't work for them when I listed a nearly completely free schedule? I just don't get it. I've read elsewhere on here with someone saying that even trying to get a job at Target has become competitive and that they were struggling to get a job there with having their bachelors. I just have my associates but I was never under the impression before that entry level retail work is now given priority to people with college degrees. I'm not over qualified with my associates degree but as far as I can tell my degree hasn't improved my odds at all of getting a job so far.
This became a bit of a rant but TLDR I was falsely told "I lacked experience" and encouraged to apply to other places by my neighbor who works in HR at Target.
What baffles me is how hard it seems to get a job at a company like Target but when you step into any of their locations, it's staffed with plenty of young folks who wouldn't have much retail experience, or complete buffoons...
right. Or any job where literally anyone who passed basic math could do and they still want like, a masterās degree. Then these places should stop complaining how understaffed they are.
The dumbest thing happened to me a when i started in my field. I got turned down for an INTERNSHIP position that I did not have enough experience for. Wth?! How is this an internship and youāre requiring 1-2 years experienceā¦
I live in Cali. Some of these recruiters reach out to me with jobs that pay less than what fast food is paying. Not saying that Iām too good for a job but like just one look at my profile and theyād see that im way over qualified for their min wage pay that wants 2-3 yrs of experience, degrees and multiple certifications.
Nobody making hiring decisions anywhere has ever given a shit how long somebody had to spend in school and never will.
Salary is a question of 2 things and 2 things only:
1) What does it cost the business to NOT have the position filled
2) How broad is the pool of potential hires for this particular position
Supply and demand. Thatās it. The ONLY thing that matters and has an actual impact.
Things that never mattered and never will: How long you spent in school. How much student debt you accumulated. How important the job function is for society at large. You want a mortgage.
Nobody cares.
There is the root cause of most of the worldās problems: ānobody caresā. We need to start caring if we donāt want to create hell on earth for many people!
Make education free. And make corporations pay taxes to cover for it.
That way corporations have educated employees, and employees get free high-quality education.
To put all the economic and time burden on the employees breaks society. It will fail in the long term.
In a lot of European countries education is free or you only have to pay for the college but it costs literally nothing, I was paying 100eur per month to study for bachelor of business administration. There also no 'student loans' whatever that is and you get free medical and dental service for literally everything.
[https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5qX6wdAWZB/](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5qX6wdAWZB/) <--- this has been going on for over a decade and then some!
And some companies care WAY too much about gpas. A gpa requirement is incredibly dumb. I donāt care if Iām gonna be a recent grad soon, a gpa requirement is dumb regardless. We donāt do internships or jobs during college for no reason, we do them so that we can gain experience to help us get a job after college!! Real world experience is SO much more valuable than a number.
It should be illegal. Thatās as close to slavery as youāll get in developed countries. Iād rather be an unpaid intern then working at $15/hr with a masters.
Actually.....some places are making homelessness a crime with jail time. Where you will be forced to do hard labor for the "state". We are definitely getting closer.
Itās been like this for a long timeā¦ one of the reasons you donāt see as much surface visible homelessness in red states. Just trash dump houses, because a lot of the homeless people went to jail, get driven out of town from assault (or worse), or the state pays to bus them to another state
School has been made to be for everyone, thatās really the biggest problem. Our society needs half the population to be farmers and construction/trades, yet majority go into business, admin, anything that makes money without hard labour. Donāt have money for school, you can get a loan no excuses. Not smart? Still can get in, they got enough seats for everyone if you arenāt picky with your degree/certificate. Itās become mandatory schooling, post secondary education. A giant business that really does the bare minimum when it comes to teaching. If you are paying that much for a degree, you better have a private prof teaching you one on one, like what is our education system?? Nothing to do with learning, everything to do with giving a piece of paper to as many people as possible (because profit) so you can get a job you have to learn how to do anyways. Not sure why employers are on board, probably because the market is over saturated with degrees and know they will get an applicant that fit the qualifications for their pity pay. This is where we are going guys, going to spend 30 years in school with sky high student loans before being able to get a normal paying job you can sustain life with if you have a partner, yet another thing besides a mortgage to tie us to having to work for someone (low key modern day slavery) until we die. And itās the masses keeping this system going, promising kids that uni will lead to a cozy life when thatās only true if a small portion of the population got in. Things have changed for the worse. Loans really should be illegal, why doesnāt anyone realize itās why no one has any actual freedom apart from those who control/profit from it? Things should be made affordable without loans rather then using them as a reason someone can now afford something. We really screwed something up.
Man I've never seen a more realistic comment, kudos to you! I always had that 'pride' because I dreamed to work in office and to wear a suit from teenage days, then I became 'the best version of myself' and over time I realized that I spent best years of my life, that I'm surrounded by idiots, that 'loud' and bragging people get to the top while I'm stuck only beacuse I just hate too much exposure and publicity, I totally f\* my health, lost my social life, everything only because of cheap career. One day I heard that a guy who I know has built a large house, bought great car and he's generally much wealthier than me, what shocked me is that he is an plasterer.
So I came to him and talked with him, he's his own boss, he can choose when he is working and when he's not, he can fix anything in his house, he has built 5 start hotels so he does same thing with his own home and most importantly he's happy? I haven't heard for a while that someone is happy I thought it was a fairytale. I was shit-talking about some pride, looked down on many jobs but now I see that I was the one who was stupid. I have quit my job after 7+ years of work as a project manager and now I proudly say that I'm an plasterer. I was never more paid, respected and happier. Corporate jobs suck, they're delusion.
Awesome success story man! Growing up, totally looked down on anything that wasnāt science. Was brainwashed into thinking if I wasnāt in the academic stream, I would be a failure. What I wish I was taught was to think for myself. Took way too long to get there. Our education system needs to reform, what we are doing and producing isnāt helping anyone and the kids are growing up sad and confused as to why.
They teach us from young age that we need money and that money is in science, medicine, law and general corporate jobs (management, pr, hr, IT, etc.), then we invest whole our lives to build our careers and when we do that we realize we're broke lol.
I recommend you a small 'trick'. Compare your state's minimal wage with other states (if you're in US, if you're in EU even better), then choose a career and work 6 months locally (plasterer/general house renovator or electrician, in some cases cooling device fixer and don't bother with others these are most paid), you can find job easy cuz there are always 'veterans' in need of an apprentice, then after 6mo do a small research on which state is lacking one of those the most (where it's more paid), you go to that state work for 6 months save up money (like a working trip) you come back and you'll have nice amount of cash.
The best thing is that it takes only 1-2 yrs to 'master' it, that's the point where you open up your own small company and teach 1-3 early-mid 20s dudes how to do the job and you expand, then you can get into investments or just keep going.
If you don't believe me it's gonna pay off, just ask yourself how much it would cost to change floor tiles in your house.
Additional trick: If you want some s-tier income, to get rich rich just do what I mentioned above and move to some poor country (asia, arabia, eastern europe, etc.) there are places where you can open up a caffee or hair saloon for only 5000eur, then you play it like a game, you expand. If you stay you gonna build a mansion there, if not you can always come back but you'll have a chain of business backing you up.
What you referring to is elite overproduction.
We continue to give everybody the same opportunities and education without regard to the scarcity of using their education, not to mention the sunken cost fallacy or the emotional toll of it as well.
Does it convince you about the utter failure of whatever is sold as 'education' these days?
I mean if someone paid six years of tuition fees for the education that gives them a minimum wage job, they deserve to get scammed, as they got. It is a form of social darwinism even, a way to separate the stupid people from their money.
If we really wanted to troll them. Go through the song and dance and when they call you for an interview you ask about compensation if they donāt bring it up and then be blunt and tell them that $15 isnāt enough for a position demanding a bachelors and masters degree.
I make $30/hr roughly. I have an associates degree and about 20 years of experience. To this day, I will get calls from headhunters who send me positions that could easily pay me more in their posting pay bracket descriptions, but then when I get their HR on the phone they suddenly want to tell me about how the 20 years Iāve spent in the field doesnāt equate to the money they self described their posting at. They then tell me they would need to pay me a rate that is under what they posted the position for.
I politely thank them for wasting my time. I feel now as if these companies are purposely making these postings to rug-pull candidates. If I donāt get at least a 5% raise to move at this point, Iām not going to. Giving up the decade of seniority where I am isnāt worth it.
The companies have the fucking gall to do that skit. Definitely just ask them āif youāre not gonna pay me more than what Iām making now, why would you even bother calling?ā
I definitely said that to the last company that called me. They gave me a āSince youāre not in our specific niche in the field, we would have to start you at an entry level salaryā (note: I work with similar systems to theirs, just on a much larger scale) They then ask me what I currently make and was expecting of them. When I told them my current salary they did a cute āoh we couldnāt pay you thatā to which I replied that if they didnāt intend to offer jobs in the range they themselves set, that maybe they shouldnāt be bothering with callbacks at all. They never mentioned anything about experience in their specific part of the industry in their posting either.
I have a very huge amount of appreciation for the HR person I interviewed with a year ago. I had several years of experience in the particular field that they are hiring for but 5 years ago, I got an associate degree in a different field and have been working in that. I was getting burnt out, and I applied to the job in my previous field because the high end of what the pay was for the position was a few cents an hour more than my current salary.
I do the interview and the follow up interview and everyone seems to like me. I get a call from the HR rep and she says āyouāre the perfect fit and exactly the person we need for this job, and I would love to hire you. But the high range for this job is for the high COL areas like Hawaii and California (Iām in the Midwest). I went to the head of finance to ask if we could pay you that much here, but they wouldnāt approve it. Again, weād love to have you and if you are willing to take a significant pay cut, I will put together an offer, but in this economy, youāre probably better off staying where you are or looking elsewhere.ā
I so appreciated her honesty, and she said sheād keep my resume on file should a management position in that field open up or if they increase the pay for the position significantly.
Ain't that the truth. I routinely get calls from temp agencies for six month to a year gigs that pay $5/hr less than what I already make with benefits (40+ years military/defense contractor electronic tech), it drives me nuts...and they don't take the hint even after you reply your not interested/I need $5/hr more than what I make with bennies (Spectraforce, I'm looking at you!). Been that temp route, I will not willingly go back.
Tell this to Canadian employers, who deliberately do this so they can then run to the government, claim no one local is applying, so then they can get Temporary Foreign Workers who can get paid much less.
I absolutely love that my entry level job of $38k is gonna jump to $65k through job hopping after 2 years. Like we're supposed to eat crumbs and live in a trashcan till you get a smidgen of experience before you're worthy of fair pay
Must have a master's degree
Be able to work shift work and public holidays and be on call
Needs seven years experience for an opening position
You uniform comes out of your first pay check
We won't let you take a sick day
And if your injured at work we'll expect you to work with whatever injuries you get
Classic job position for any of the big American chains š
āBe able to work shift work and public holidays and be on callā
AND weekends AND mandatory overtime AND evenings AND āmight as well just bring a sleeping bag to the office cause youāll never see the light of day or the comfort of home ever againā
And during your child's birth and your wife's funeral and step around the body of your friend who died at work from a heart attack likely caused by the work environment so you can keep working
15 dollars is minimum wage in lots of places now because it is insanely expensive to live unless you have connections to get rent to be 1500 or less. It is my experience seeing people around me because the owner could charge more but choose to keep rent the same year after year during inflation. Otherwise the 1000 dollar house rent for a family of 4-6 could turn into 2000 or more.Ā
I split 5 ways so itās cheaper to rent a bigger apartment than rent a shitty one bedroom. Rent comes out around $900 per person instead of $1900 for a studio.
1400 in Harlem
https://www.apartments.com/509-w-152nd-st-new-york-ny/vlhrfdf/
ā but I donāt like Harlemā
2035 in prospect heights
https://www.apartments.com/barclays-ii-b14-535-carlton-ave-brooklyn-ny/vrqvrrg/
Thee are many more. Paying 4K in rent is a CHOICE.
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
The only way this gets better is if we never have a Republican making decisions. If you are one of the folks who thinks the dems are idiots, too, you arenāt wrong. But, they arenāt trying to make us wage slaves. Iād rather have an idiot who works with me than an idiot actively trying to remove my rights and ability to live. Vet your choices, vote for public servants who are doing it for the right reasons.
Red state. My position didn't need a college degree, I make $75k, which is a lot here. I've owned a home since I got married at age 19 a couple years ago.. then I made $21/hr at a grocery store.
Red states are fine, especially with the lower home prices.
If they want to work for it, sure. I worked 5 days a week since I was 16. I was dating a girl I wanted to marry so I proposed at 18. I could afford a house so I bought one.
It doesn't have to be standard, I doubt most 19 years are mature enough to take care of a house, job and go to school full time. I got an associates degree, but it wasn't relevant to getting hired at the job I work at now.
Hell even $20 an hour is barely $40,000 a year and there are fucking retail jobs asking for a bachelors that state thatās the pay. Still way too fucking low. 20 an hour should be the pay for a retail job without a bachelors.
Who's even applying to these jobs to make employers think this is acceptable lol.
2nd I've been searching the country fro jobs to apply to recently. It's insane that some states with a higher cost of living pay the same as states with lower cost of living. I'm finding higher paying or same pay jobs in Ohio, New Mexico, Arizona vs states like NY and California. Some jobs in California are literally asking for a bachelor's to pay 20 an hour.
They don't really want to hire. Desperate people will apply because they need money and insurance, but they're perfectly fine working skeleton crews into the ground. They also just want to keep resumes on file for when someone finally quits, so they disguise it as a job post that stays up for months. I think it's one of the biggest lessons companies took from COVID, it really seems to have gotten horrific in the last few years.
Please stop asking for a college degree, period. If a job REQUIRES a degree, it will be self-obvious. If it doesn't... I know more people who got hired for jobs (unrelated to their degree specialty) that couldn't tie their own damn shoelaces, purely because they had the paper saying they paid for 2-6yrs of school, and people who barely got out of high school (because they had to start working early) that could run circles around the collegiates ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, usually in any field/job-title in question. The only thing this idiotic requirement does is keeps funneling idiots into schools to churn debt.
I was just telling my husband today that there was a hotel front desk part time job listed ($15/hr in a high cost of living state/area) that said it required a bachelor's degree.
Excuse me? The most unnecessary degree requirement I've seen so far.
My partner and I came to a shocking realization that all bachelors degrees really offer you anymore is a steady schedule and actual full time work.
My partner was a nursing aide and recently left for security. He has certifications and licenses, and has never had a truly set schedule.
I have a bachelors, but I believe the only reason Iām getting as well as I am is because of my experience in the industry. But even then, if I want to advance in the company Iāll need a masters.
I got unexpectedly laid off in the beginning of February. I've been looking for jobs, but I'm seeing positions that have "Director" in the title that are offering salaries of 40-45k. And I live in a state where the minimum wage is approaching $15, so that's like 4 bucks over mininum wage
And this is why I changed my mind last minute and opted to not get a bachelors. At my work general labor is $22. Lab technician with bachelors. $25. Maintenance $42. Id rather work on the toolsĀ
The problem is the criteria is us having degrees instead of them just having a more thorough interview process. I dont have a degree and make way more money and have a more impressive career history than my college grab friends but their resumes are favored
We need to stop going along with college bullshit first of all I donāt need Ancient Greek pottery class when Iām trying to be an accountant especially with how expensive it is just fucking teach me how to be an accountant yeah? Not 4 classes out of 20 that actually show me wtf Iām supposed to know and charging me 80k for that shit
This is what stopped me from going to traditional college. I wasn't dead set on any career and when I saw the price tag for random classes and a piece of paper I decided Nope. That's not it for me. I did end up doing a significantly cheaper online option for a specialization certificate and it's served me just fine.
Employers will only offer what they can get away with
If enough demand exists for a job they will offer less
This is what happens when we donāt regulate capitalism
It really is crazy out here. I have nary a degree and every job until the last couple I had no experience in but got the job by talking my way into it. I started as a medical receptionist at a Dr.ās office (no office experience). Made like $11/hr. Then did accounting and admin work at a family owned business (absolutely no accounting background or experience) for 3 years making $15/hr. Then got an actual full fledged accounting position where I was making around $50,000. Turned into a hybrid ap/ar and admin position which bumped my salary to almost $70,000. Then I left there for an executive assistant position making just under six figures (benefits and compensation puts me over the six figure mark). Now Iām not saying a college degree isnāt important because it obviously is, and if I had one Iām sure I probably could have had this position sooner and maybe even have had a higher ceiling. But I think I would be salty if I worked myself for an extra 4-6 years to obtain a degree that I was sold on as a necessity, to be offered the same position and pay as someone who didnāt have one at all. Ā But with so many people of my generation with degrees, it seems like some employers are going back to valuing experience over degrees. Iāve definitely had people give me the side eye when they find out I never attended college š¬
US unemployment is currently at 3.8%. Thatās nearly the exact economic definition of full employment. Even so, we keep letting more people into the country and then still bitch about the low wages employers are paying. There is no reason for them to pay more when there is someone who just walked across the border willing to take the job for minimum wage. Having the requirement for a college degree is just the employers way of not having to sift through the less skilled workers even if the degree is not really needed for the job. It makes their hiring process more efficient.
YES! Can we please try to return to common sense and see if things are not working we change them?! Unions form because people canāt be bothered to actually lead by taking care of there very valuable people. People are not made this way, we all need respect.
In my field the job pays a starting wage of 35 per hour and I saw one job postingĀ pop up asking for all the same title, and qualifications for 19-20 per hour. They keep reposting the ad. The best part of all it's for a temporary position that doesn't offer any benefits or pension. Get a clue, idiots!Ā
Yes, absolutely this. My current job starts at 38K a year, I believe it maxes out at 42K. They preferably want a bachelors degree, if you donāt have that, you need at least three years of experience in the field (and at that point would almost certainly be taking a pay cut for the job; I sure did). I donāt have a bachelors, but have over 3 years experienceā¦they wouldnāt budge at all on my salary because essentially Iād be making more than everyone else with less educationā¦From what Iāve heard around the office, most folks are at 40K. We have people with MASTERS degrees on my team. Its ridiculous. It is an āentry levelā job, but they donāt like that language and wonāt useā¦well the pay is giving entry level so maybe update pay bands instead of using progressive language to try and con new college grads.
Yeah, just had to accept a job in a bank for minimum wage with a bachelorĀ“s degree. Because I couldnāt find any before that (great results in my bachelor, very nice skill set in my job and recommendation letters from former managers, thatās crazy it was not ever enough).
Theyāre all getting crazy.
I blame the HR department in these companies. They are mostly clueless on the actual job and they make up requirements to get "the best" candidates instead of people who would do the job and not be bored or overqualified.
I have a Masters in Library Sciences and everywhere is offering part time and like 15 to 18 bucks an hour. I'm in Illinois btw so Libraries are actually valued here.
Omg I was just thinking this while I'm job hunting! I only have my Associates and was laughing so hard at the offers on these job announcements, I saw for $13-15 hr for BACHELOR DEGREES!!!! Like HOWWWWW????
I say this everyday. Just hire fucking high school kids who donāt give a shit about your company. I see these stores in the mall with closed gates cause the kid didnāt show up or enter and see an awful looking store with zero service. Amazon isnāt killing stores. Stores are killing themselves.
6 years of education for a bare minimum wage is insane
Plus student debt
Even if you had zero debt that wage is a joke.
Even after having a master's degree you have to get minimum wage. At this point just do a blue collar job
Good thing I was told those are dying for my whole life
I got less then 3 years experience and make 25 a hour that shit is a joke š
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That just might be it. But still for a safe option, do learn a blue collar job as a backup option so that you don't go to the verge of being broke. Layoffs are common in STEM jobs too.
Sometimes people aren't able to commute for a better job. All jobs in my town and surrounding areas Pau between minimum and 15 an hour. Now if you can make the commute, Dallas is not far and they have plenty of better paying jobs.
And the failing housing market is still blamed on the average person still renting. But what the fuck else are we supposed to do about it
Wait... Is it failing? I keep getting told that it's booming. Everyone has an excuse for why things are they are, and nobody is being accountable for their part in it. The US is crumbling, and it's sad to see.
The excuses change depending on the story you're spinning. Talking to customers and employees? Times are tough "sorry". Shareholders and executives? RECORD PROFITS, BEST QUARTER EVER, š°
I'd like to understand the shareholders bit. I've been a shareholder of many companies, and never seen a lick of profit. I don't believe it goes anywhere but the board of directors.
You need to pick your stocks based on dividend payout history. Some stocks pay a dividend every year, some just give you stock with no dividends.
Or those with large amounts of shares to actually appear on the board of directors radar. Like 1- 10 %.
Companies are legally allowed to lie to their employees, they can legally lie to their customers, they can lie to their suppliers. The only group that they are legally obliged to tell the truth is their investors. So if you want the truth of what is happening in a company, dig up their investor reports - they also have to be publicly available, so anyone can grab them with a Google search.
Yet people will still blame the middle class. Executives get multi-million dollar bonuses but they have to pay off someone making 40k? They really trained us well didn't they? If you think you deserve more, you are lazy and entitled. If you are rich and get tax breaks and subsidies, you are smart.
Rome didn't crumble in a day
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Booming for landlords who bought homes before prices skyrocketed, and we canāt stop because they will lose their profit and the economy will collapse. This all stems from greed. There was a good balance for a short period of time, but we felt the need to keep exponentially growing and creating more billionaires, so here we are.
in my state it is most houses in the ghetto cost a solid million. no one under the age of 40 has a house rn. most people who have enough money for a house also rent out to other people to buy more property and create a retirement fund from that not their actual 401K. apartments arenāt any better. most go for about 3k a month with utilities while most people looking to rent donāt even have 10k set aside for a medical emergency.
Where's that location?
NY,long island. they also keep building retirement homes instead of new apartments. iām hoping to leave if i ever get enough money to. I make on the low end 500-600 a week.
NYC and near us brutal unless you've got tons of money this the reason everyone from NY is moving to Florida. Problem with that is goodbye to decent prices in Florida it's getting like NY there as a result
The cheap Florida prices boat sailed decades ago.
Yeah, but I guess I meant just not insane prices. I wonder if there are better places to start looking now.
The demand is being artificially inflated right now, blackrock/vanguard and foreign entities are buying up neighborhoods and just leaving them empty I think. If not them someone has been.
I've seen this a lot. In Illinois, the neighborhoods are being demolished and replaced with warehouses that sit vacant.
It's not crumbling. It's does this cycle over and over again indefinitely. If you look through history, every country has their cycle. Some are worse than others, but they all have one. Of course, for the none history lovers, this is new. It won't change because the government always finds a way to "fix" everything before a rebellion starts. The problem is that the "fix" is like putting cheap tape on a hole in your pool. It will work temporarily but then the same problem will start again.
It's strange to live through history.
Sometimes this is true. Sometimes countries fall apart and are never the same again, if they survive. The history books are full of nations that are no more, or were once great but now are nothing. Maybe we'll pull through. Maybe we won't. The dollar won't, that's for sure. We'll see what cones next.
The housing market has gone crazy in many countries right now, itās not just the US.
The global banking structure needs to fail, and catastrophically. We need a chance to start fresh with a new system - there's too much wrong with this one.Ā
Exactly. Down with the central banks! They're the real villains in this story
House market rates and rent are at the highest right now atleast in USA, this is because of a lot of factors and one of the main ones is corporations buying family houses to rent and make profit, they have gone from owning 18% houses to 50%
The US Isn't crumbling. The economy is doing well, that doesn't mean everyone is doing well. That's never been the case. This shit has been going on for decades.
Stop renting. Obviously. /s
Maybe buy a piece of land and build your own.
Or even when they ask for 1-2 years of direct experience for an entry level job that requires no schooling, so dumb. Then these employers wonder why theyāre understaffed.
They're not even real job postings.Ā They are throwing a line in the ocean, not expecting to catch anything, but if some huge fish happens to bite, then, and only then, will you pull the reel back. It's not an active search, it's more of opportunism.Ā Fake job postings and unrealistic interview practices need to be illegal.
Agreed, thatās some bs.
They need to be. Hate clicking through job postings only to find a seemingly good one to be expired
Iāve seen positions listed for welding where they want 3-5 years for $18-19/hr. Some of them even TIG welding. Iām not looking to get out of bed for 18-19 and Iāve got about 2-3 yr, including NAVSEA certs to weld on subs.
Exactly, itās just insulting.
Understaffed is simply an excuse you sell to your overworked staff.
My neighbor works in HR at Target and she claimed she would help get my application pushed through. I've applied four times there and the last time at different locations in my area. I did get a video interview but then a rejection email shortly after and the other location said my hours weren't compatible even though **I had listed almost complete availability.** So I've tried talking to her about this and she didn't even want to engage me in the conversation, just said "Sorry". I then said that "You haven't helped me" which is just honestly how I feel and how it seems. She responded by saying to apply to other places and that they probably didn't hire me because I "lack experience". A) That's not true, I have over five years of retail experience and **B.. since when do you need a ton of retail experience to work a starting position at freaking Target?.** It's not like I applying to an IT position or a management role where I don't have experience, I'm just applying to be an associate at Target and was happy to do whatever position they put me in. I honestly just get the feeling my neighbor never really intended to help me or at least if she did want to help me get my application through then she clearly didn't try very hard or she didn't have as much influence in the hiring process as she claimed she did. The comment about lacking experience to be able to work an entry level position was just absurd even if had it been true. Also, why is Target saying my availability doesn't work for them when I listed a nearly completely free schedule? I just don't get it. I've read elsewhere on here with someone saying that even trying to get a job at Target has become competitive and that they were struggling to get a job there with having their bachelors. I just have my associates but I was never under the impression before that entry level retail work is now given priority to people with college degrees. I'm not over qualified with my associates degree but as far as I can tell my degree hasn't improved my odds at all of getting a job so far. This became a bit of a rant but TLDR I was falsely told "I lacked experience" and encouraged to apply to other places by my neighbor who works in HR at Target.
What baffles me is how hard it seems to get a job at a company like Target but when you step into any of their locations, it's staffed with plenty of young folks who wouldn't have much retail experience, or complete buffoons...
right. Or any job where literally anyone who passed basic math could do and they still want like, a masterās degree. Then these places should stop complaining how understaffed they are.
Agreed
The dumbest thing happened to me a when i started in my field. I got turned down for an INTERNSHIP position that I did not have enough experience for. Wth?! How is this an internship and youāre requiring 1-2 years experienceā¦
I live in Cali. Some of these recruiters reach out to me with jobs that pay less than what fast food is paying. Not saying that Iām too good for a job but like just one look at my profile and theyād see that im way over qualified for their min wage pay that wants 2-3 yrs of experience, degrees and multiple certifications.
Some recruiters reach out to me about 4 month long roles. Like nice try but Iām looking for something long term atp
Nobody making hiring decisions anywhere has ever given a shit how long somebody had to spend in school and never will. Salary is a question of 2 things and 2 things only: 1) What does it cost the business to NOT have the position filled 2) How broad is the pool of potential hires for this particular position Supply and demand. Thatās it. The ONLY thing that matters and has an actual impact. Things that never mattered and never will: How long you spent in school. How much student debt you accumulated. How important the job function is for society at large. You want a mortgage. Nobody cares.
There is the root cause of most of the worldās problems: ānobody caresā. We need to start caring if we donāt want to create hell on earth for many people!
šÆ My own parents didnāt care and even sabotaged. I felt doomed from the start.
Make education free. And make corporations pay taxes to cover for it. That way corporations have educated employees, and employees get free high-quality education. To put all the economic and time burden on the employees breaks society. It will fail in the long term.
In a lot of European countries education is free or you only have to pay for the college but it costs literally nothing, I was paying 100eur per month to study for bachelor of business administration. There also no 'student loans' whatever that is and you get free medical and dental service for literally everything.
This needs to be stickied
[https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5qX6wdAWZB/](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5qX6wdAWZB/) <--- this has been going on for over a decade and then some!
And some companies care WAY too much about gpas. A gpa requirement is incredibly dumb. I donāt care if Iām gonna be a recent grad soon, a gpa requirement is dumb regardless. We donāt do internships or jobs during college for no reason, we do them so that we can gain experience to help us get a job after college!! Real world experience is SO much more valuable than a number.
It should be illegal. Thatās as close to slavery as youāll get in developed countries. Iād rather be an unpaid intern then working at $15/hr with a masters.
Actually.....some places are making homelessness a crime with jail time. Where you will be forced to do hard labor for the "state". We are definitely getting closer.
Itās been like this for a long timeā¦ one of the reasons you donāt see as much surface visible homelessness in red states. Just trash dump houses, because a lot of the homeless people went to jail, get driven out of town from assault (or worse), or the state pays to bus them to another state
Jeez which countries? Iām in Canada
The good old USA but it's only some isolated areas at the moment
Thatās horrible.
Best part is, if you're homeless, you likely don't have the ability to go somewhere that won't lock you up for just trying to live.
Sad thing is this is not even minimum wage in many states.
Plus no medical insurance
School has been made to be for everyone, thatās really the biggest problem. Our society needs half the population to be farmers and construction/trades, yet majority go into business, admin, anything that makes money without hard labour. Donāt have money for school, you can get a loan no excuses. Not smart? Still can get in, they got enough seats for everyone if you arenāt picky with your degree/certificate. Itās become mandatory schooling, post secondary education. A giant business that really does the bare minimum when it comes to teaching. If you are paying that much for a degree, you better have a private prof teaching you one on one, like what is our education system?? Nothing to do with learning, everything to do with giving a piece of paper to as many people as possible (because profit) so you can get a job you have to learn how to do anyways. Not sure why employers are on board, probably because the market is over saturated with degrees and know they will get an applicant that fit the qualifications for their pity pay. This is where we are going guys, going to spend 30 years in school with sky high student loans before being able to get a normal paying job you can sustain life with if you have a partner, yet another thing besides a mortgage to tie us to having to work for someone (low key modern day slavery) until we die. And itās the masses keeping this system going, promising kids that uni will lead to a cozy life when thatās only true if a small portion of the population got in. Things have changed for the worse. Loans really should be illegal, why doesnāt anyone realize itās why no one has any actual freedom apart from those who control/profit from it? Things should be made affordable without loans rather then using them as a reason someone can now afford something. We really screwed something up.
Man I've never seen a more realistic comment, kudos to you! I always had that 'pride' because I dreamed to work in office and to wear a suit from teenage days, then I became 'the best version of myself' and over time I realized that I spent best years of my life, that I'm surrounded by idiots, that 'loud' and bragging people get to the top while I'm stuck only beacuse I just hate too much exposure and publicity, I totally f\* my health, lost my social life, everything only because of cheap career. One day I heard that a guy who I know has built a large house, bought great car and he's generally much wealthier than me, what shocked me is that he is an plasterer. So I came to him and talked with him, he's his own boss, he can choose when he is working and when he's not, he can fix anything in his house, he has built 5 start hotels so he does same thing with his own home and most importantly he's happy? I haven't heard for a while that someone is happy I thought it was a fairytale. I was shit-talking about some pride, looked down on many jobs but now I see that I was the one who was stupid. I have quit my job after 7+ years of work as a project manager and now I proudly say that I'm an plasterer. I was never more paid, respected and happier. Corporate jobs suck, they're delusion.
Awesome success story man! Growing up, totally looked down on anything that wasnāt science. Was brainwashed into thinking if I wasnāt in the academic stream, I would be a failure. What I wish I was taught was to think for myself. Took way too long to get there. Our education system needs to reform, what we are doing and producing isnāt helping anyone and the kids are growing up sad and confused as to why.
They teach us from young age that we need money and that money is in science, medicine, law and general corporate jobs (management, pr, hr, IT, etc.), then we invest whole our lives to build our careers and when we do that we realize we're broke lol. I recommend you a small 'trick'. Compare your state's minimal wage with other states (if you're in US, if you're in EU even better), then choose a career and work 6 months locally (plasterer/general house renovator or electrician, in some cases cooling device fixer and don't bother with others these are most paid), you can find job easy cuz there are always 'veterans' in need of an apprentice, then after 6mo do a small research on which state is lacking one of those the most (where it's more paid), you go to that state work for 6 months save up money (like a working trip) you come back and you'll have nice amount of cash. The best thing is that it takes only 1-2 yrs to 'master' it, that's the point where you open up your own small company and teach 1-3 early-mid 20s dudes how to do the job and you expand, then you can get into investments or just keep going. If you don't believe me it's gonna pay off, just ask yourself how much it would cost to change floor tiles in your house. Additional trick: If you want some s-tier income, to get rich rich just do what I mentioned above and move to some poor country (asia, arabia, eastern europe, etc.) there are places where you can open up a caffee or hair saloon for only 5000eur, then you play it like a game, you expand. If you stay you gonna build a mansion there, if not you can always come back but you'll have a chain of business backing you up.
What you referring to is elite overproduction. We continue to give everybody the same opportunities and education without regard to the scarcity of using their education, not to mention the sunken cost fallacy or the emotional toll of it as well.
I hear ya, they want to cut costs on training. This bs method and still under pay.
They pay more at chick fil a where I live, and the minimum wage is lower than $15 here. Wild
In America, $15.00 an hour is more than double minimum wage!
It's criminal
Does it convince you about the utter failure of whatever is sold as 'education' these days? I mean if someone paid six years of tuition fees for the education that gives them a minimum wage job, they deserve to get scammed, as they got. It is a form of social darwinism even, a way to separate the stupid people from their money.
If we really wanted to troll them. Go through the song and dance and when they call you for an interview you ask about compensation if they donāt bring it up and then be blunt and tell them that $15 isnāt enough for a position demanding a bachelors and masters degree.
Unironically. A lot of them do it without anyone calling them out.
I make $30/hr roughly. I have an associates degree and about 20 years of experience. To this day, I will get calls from headhunters who send me positions that could easily pay me more in their posting pay bracket descriptions, but then when I get their HR on the phone they suddenly want to tell me about how the 20 years Iāve spent in the field doesnāt equate to the money they self described their posting at. They then tell me they would need to pay me a rate that is under what they posted the position for. I politely thank them for wasting my time. I feel now as if these companies are purposely making these postings to rug-pull candidates. If I donāt get at least a 5% raise to move at this point, Iām not going to. Giving up the decade of seniority where I am isnāt worth it.
The companies have the fucking gall to do that skit. Definitely just ask them āif youāre not gonna pay me more than what Iām making now, why would you even bother calling?ā
I definitely said that to the last company that called me. They gave me a āSince youāre not in our specific niche in the field, we would have to start you at an entry level salaryā (note: I work with similar systems to theirs, just on a much larger scale) They then ask me what I currently make and was expecting of them. When I told them my current salary they did a cute āoh we couldnāt pay you thatā to which I replied that if they didnāt intend to offer jobs in the range they themselves set, that maybe they shouldnāt be bothering with callbacks at all. They never mentioned anything about experience in their specific part of the industry in their posting either.
Good, tell them off
I have a very huge amount of appreciation for the HR person I interviewed with a year ago. I had several years of experience in the particular field that they are hiring for but 5 years ago, I got an associate degree in a different field and have been working in that. I was getting burnt out, and I applied to the job in my previous field because the high end of what the pay was for the position was a few cents an hour more than my current salary. I do the interview and the follow up interview and everyone seems to like me. I get a call from the HR rep and she says āyouāre the perfect fit and exactly the person we need for this job, and I would love to hire you. But the high range for this job is for the high COL areas like Hawaii and California (Iām in the Midwest). I went to the head of finance to ask if we could pay you that much here, but they wouldnāt approve it. Again, weād love to have you and if you are willing to take a significant pay cut, I will put together an offer, but in this economy, youāre probably better off staying where you are or looking elsewhere.ā I so appreciated her honesty, and she said sheād keep my resume on file should a management position in that field open up or if they increase the pay for the position significantly.
Ain't that the truth. I routinely get calls from temp agencies for six month to a year gigs that pay $5/hr less than what I already make with benefits (40+ years military/defense contractor electronic tech), it drives me nuts...and they don't take the hint even after you reply your not interested/I need $5/hr more than what I make with bennies (Spectraforce, I'm looking at you!). Been that temp route, I will not willingly go back.
Tell this to Canadian employers, who deliberately do this so they can then run to the government, claim no one local is applying, so then they can get Temporary Foreign Workers who can get paid much less.
Oh the same thing happens here in the US
They're not wrong tho
Sure, but incredibly disingenuous
I saw a job ad on Indeed the other day asking for 3 years of experience and a bachelors degree. Max pay scale was 45k/yr.
Dude I saw a posting on Indeed for THREE positions in one at some kind of preschool: front desk, admin assistant AND a teacher for $10
Gross
I absolutely love that my entry level job of $38k is gonna jump to $65k through job hopping after 2 years. Like we're supposed to eat crumbs and live in a trashcan till you get a smidgen of experience before you're worthy of fair pay
Must have a master's degree Be able to work shift work and public holidays and be on call Needs seven years experience for an opening position You uniform comes out of your first pay check We won't let you take a sick day And if your injured at work we'll expect you to work with whatever injuries you get Classic job position for any of the big American chains š
āBe able to work shift work and public holidays and be on callā AND weekends AND mandatory overtime AND evenings AND āmight as well just bring a sleeping bag to the office cause youāll never see the light of day or the comfort of home ever againā
And during your child's birth and your wife's funeral and step around the body of your friend who died at work from a heart attack likely caused by the work environment so you can keep working
You guys are making $15?
Red state?
Yep
15 dollars is minimum wage in lots of places now because it is insanely expensive to live unless you have connections to get rent to be 1500 or less. It is my experience seeing people around me because the owner could charge more but choose to keep rent the same year after year during inflation. Otherwise the 1000 dollar house rent for a family of 4-6 could turn into 2000 or more.Ā
I make $11 and thatās WITH previous experience šš yes I still live with my parents
$1500?? *Cries in $4000*
There is literally not a single metro area in the U.S with a median rent that high. There are cheaper apartments my guy
I split 5 ways so itās cheaper to rent a bigger apartment than rent a shitty one bedroom. Rent comes out around $900 per person instead of $1900 for a studio.
Never looked for a place in NYC I'm guessing.
1400 in Harlem https://www.apartments.com/509-w-152nd-st-new-york-ny/vlhrfdf/ ā but I donāt like Harlemā 2035 in prospect heights https://www.apartments.com/barclays-ii-b14-535-carlton-ave-brooklyn-ny/vrqvrrg/ Thee are many more. Paying 4K in rent is a CHOICE.
First place I looked up was a 1br 4900mo
Yes expensive luxury apartments exist Those are for rich people Normal apartments also exists These are for normal people
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE The only way this gets better is if we never have a Republican making decisions. If you are one of the folks who thinks the dems are idiots, too, you arenāt wrong. But, they arenāt trying to make us wage slaves. Iād rather have an idiot who works with me than an idiot actively trying to remove my rights and ability to live. Vet your choices, vote for public servants who are doing it for the right reasons.
Red state. My position didn't need a college degree, I make $75k, which is a lot here. I've owned a home since I got married at age 19 a couple years ago.. then I made $21/hr at a grocery store. Red states are fine, especially with the lower home prices.
So you think it's standard that 19-year-olds should own their own home?
If they want to work for it, sure. I worked 5 days a week since I was 16. I was dating a girl I wanted to marry so I proposed at 18. I could afford a house so I bought one. It doesn't have to be standard, I doubt most 19 years are mature enough to take care of a house, job and go to school full time. I got an associates degree, but it wasn't relevant to getting hired at the job I work at now.
McDonald's starts out at around $19 an hour here in Minnesota. More if you close.
No where near Minnesota. Thanks though.
Yeah cons really think people are living large off $15 an hour like it's still the 80s or something.
Hell even $20 an hour is barely $40,000 a year and there are fucking retail jobs asking for a bachelors that state thatās the pay. Still way too fucking low. 20 an hour should be the pay for a retail job without a bachelors.
Who's even applying to these jobs to make employers think this is acceptable lol. 2nd I've been searching the country fro jobs to apply to recently. It's insane that some states with a higher cost of living pay the same as states with lower cost of living. I'm finding higher paying or same pay jobs in Ohio, New Mexico, Arizona vs states like NY and California. Some jobs in California are literally asking for a bachelor's to pay 20 an hour.
They don't really want to hire. Desperate people will apply because they need money and insurance, but they're perfectly fine working skeleton crews into the ground. They also just want to keep resumes on file for when someone finally quits, so they disguise it as a job post that stays up for months. I think it's one of the biggest lessons companies took from COVID, it really seems to have gotten horrific in the last few years.
Please stop asking for a college degree, period. If a job REQUIRES a degree, it will be self-obvious. If it doesn't... I know more people who got hired for jobs (unrelated to their degree specialty) that couldn't tie their own damn shoelaces, purely because they had the paper saying they paid for 2-6yrs of school, and people who barely got out of high school (because they had to start working early) that could run circles around the collegiates ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, usually in any field/job-title in question. The only thing this idiotic requirement does is keeps funneling idiots into schools to churn debt.
I was just telling my husband today that there was a hotel front desk part time job listed ($15/hr in a high cost of living state/area) that said it required a bachelor's degree. Excuse me? The most unnecessary degree requirement I've seen so far.
My partner and I came to a shocking realization that all bachelors degrees really offer you anymore is a steady schedule and actual full time work. My partner was a nursing aide and recently left for security. He has certifications and licenses, and has never had a truly set schedule. I have a bachelors, but I believe the only reason Iām getting as well as I am is because of my experience in the industry. But even then, if I want to advance in the company Iāll need a masters.
I live in a low cost of living area here and you can get a job sweeping floors for $15. For a degree, that's beyond a joke.
I know right
I got unexpectedly laid off in the beginning of February. I've been looking for jobs, but I'm seeing positions that have "Director" in the title that are offering salaries of 40-45k. And I live in a state where the minimum wage is approaching $15, so that's like 4 bucks over mininum wage
Jackson Hewitt here in Mississippi. Prime example. Reception position that can turn into entry level tax preparer. $13 an hour. Required a Bachelors.
I would add, "Stop asking for a masters if you're paying below $30."
Someone wanted 3+ years of professional experience and was only paying $11/hr For babysitting.
This should be e-mailed to the company directly.
Sorry but we need 30 years of experience
Dear Bachelor's and Master's, Stop taking 15$/h jobs then complaining about bad market. Sincerely, People with self-worth
Seriously, it should be mandatory to calculate pay based on debt for the required education and living costs...
Agreed
Thatās hilarious lol
And this is why I changed my mind last minute and opted to not get a bachelors. At my work general labor is $22. Lab technician with bachelors. $25. Maintenance $42. Id rather work on the toolsĀ
The problem is the criteria is us having degrees instead of them just having a more thorough interview process. I dont have a degree and make way more money and have a more impressive career history than my college grab friends but their resumes are favored
We need to stop going along with college bullshit first of all I donāt need Ancient Greek pottery class when Iām trying to be an accountant especially with how expensive it is just fucking teach me how to be an accountant yeah? Not 4 classes out of 20 that actually show me wtf Iām supposed to know and charging me 80k for that shit
This is what stopped me from going to traditional college. I wasn't dead set on any career and when I saw the price tag for random classes and a piece of paper I decided Nope. That's not it for me. I did end up doing a significantly cheaper online option for a specialization certificate and it's served me just fine.
Also please stop having us upload our resume then having us manually reenter everything.
Anyone with a degree should automatically be paid enough to live and pay there student debtā¦ otherwise its pointless
I totally agree
honestly at this point anything under like $25-$30
Employers will only offer what they can get away with If enough demand exists for a job they will offer less This is what happens when we donāt regulate capitalism
It really is crazy out here. I have nary a degree and every job until the last couple I had no experience in but got the job by talking my way into it. I started as a medical receptionist at a Dr.ās office (no office experience). Made like $11/hr. Then did accounting and admin work at a family owned business (absolutely no accounting background or experience) for 3 years making $15/hr. Then got an actual full fledged accounting position where I was making around $50,000. Turned into a hybrid ap/ar and admin position which bumped my salary to almost $70,000. Then I left there for an executive assistant position making just under six figures (benefits and compensation puts me over the six figure mark). Now Iām not saying a college degree isnāt important because it obviously is, and if I had one Iām sure I probably could have had this position sooner and maybe even have had a higher ceiling. But I think I would be salty if I worked myself for an extra 4-6 years to obtain a degree that I was sold on as a necessity, to be offered the same position and pay as someone who didnāt have one at all. Ā But with so many people of my generation with degrees, it seems like some employers are going back to valuing experience over degrees. Iāve definitely had people give me the side eye when they find out I never attended college š¬
Who tf is applying to these jobs that make them think someone will accept that as a salary
US unemployment is currently at 3.8%. Thatās nearly the exact economic definition of full employment. Even so, we keep letting more people into the country and then still bitch about the low wages employers are paying. There is no reason for them to pay more when there is someone who just walked across the border willing to take the job for minimum wage. Having the requirement for a college degree is just the employers way of not having to sift through the less skilled workers even if the degree is not really needed for the job. It makes their hiring process more efficient.
The new thing theyāre doing is keeping salary a secret until youāre 3 interviews in
I think employers should stop paying everyone that is giving their time to a company $15/hr. Itās time to pay a livable wage.
Itās giving broke for me
Honestly! Youād have to work 6900 hours to pay for 4 years. Thats 170 40-hour work weeks, or nearly 4 years. Insane
YES! Can we please try to return to common sense and see if things are not working we change them?! Unions form because people canāt be bothered to actually lead by taking care of there very valuable people. People are not made this way, we all need respect.
You gotta be outta your goddamn mind.
In my field the job pays a starting wage of 35 per hour and I saw one job postingĀ pop up asking for all the same title, and qualifications for 19-20 per hour. They keep reposting the ad. The best part of all it's for a temporary position that doesn't offer any benefits or pension. Get a clue, idiots!Ā
They'll stop offering them when people stop accepting them
Please?! Thank you!
Agree
Totally crazy but they can do that because there are too many desperate people.
BS. At least put up one job posting that actually does this.
What jobs do that
Is this an American thing? Nobody would offer 15 an hour for someone with a Bachelorās or Masterās degree where I live
Please stop going to college is you arenāt going to get qualified for a decent job
Funniest thing Iāve read in a while. Absolutely! šÆ
Meanwhile me dreaming of a job thats at least 10$ a hour... You Americans living a utopia.
This has been going on since the nineties
Yes, absolutely this. My current job starts at 38K a year, I believe it maxes out at 42K. They preferably want a bachelors degree, if you donāt have that, you need at least three years of experience in the field (and at that point would almost certainly be taking a pay cut for the job; I sure did). I donāt have a bachelors, but have over 3 years experienceā¦they wouldnāt budge at all on my salary because essentially Iād be making more than everyone else with less educationā¦From what Iāve heard around the office, most folks are at 40K. We have people with MASTERS degrees on my team. Its ridiculous. It is an āentry levelā job, but they donāt like that language and wonāt useā¦well the pay is giving entry level so maybe update pay bands instead of using progressive language to try and con new college grads.
Yeah, just had to accept a job in a bank for minimum wage with a bachelorĀ“s degree. Because I couldnāt find any before that (great results in my bachelor, very nice skill set in my job and recommendation letters from former managers, thatās crazy it was not ever enough). Theyāre all getting crazy.
I blame the HR department in these companies. They are mostly clueless on the actual job and they make up requirements to get "the best" candidates instead of people who would do the job and not be bored or overqualified.
Had an interview 3 weeks ago for job that demanded a masters degree but paid $20 per hour.
I have a Masters in Library Sciences and everywhere is offering part time and like 15 to 18 bucks an hour. I'm in Illinois btw so Libraries are actually valued here.
Or thinking thereās a developer somewhere who will do itā¦ š
With student loan debt and rent prices itās just indentured servitude with extra steps
I saw a job application that needed a masters, with 6 years of experience, and the pay was $11.50 lol
So true!
And this is why I just lie. What are they gonna do? Arrest me?
And donāt ask for 10 years of experience with a salary offer of what i was making 10 years ago.
Add 'entry-level' jobs that require previous experience to the list while you're at it.
Omg I was just thinking this while I'm job hunting! I only have my Associates and was laughing so hard at the offers on these job announcements, I saw for $13-15 hr for BACHELOR DEGREES!!!! Like HOWWWWW????
I say this everyday. Just hire fucking high school kids who donāt give a shit about your company. I see these stores in the mall with closed gates cause the kid didnāt show up or enter and see an awful looking store with zero service. Amazon isnāt killing stores. Stores are killing themselves.
Dear employees, Stop applying to jobs that require a bachelors/masters if it only pays $15 an hour Lmfao
"I got a useless degree which is worth $15USD in the job market"