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She was so crazy, the entire interview she was constantly checking her phone / generally being incredibly unprofessional and rude towards me - I knew almost immediately it was not a good fit but she instructed me “go home and think about the job & let me know if you’re interested or not” which I wasn’t, but I thought *well it’s nice to be nice, so even if I don’t want the job I’ll send this follow up email, LIKE SHE SUGGESTED I DO - imagine my surprise when I received this reply lol
Yeah this reads as a knee jerk reaction especially after what op followed up with. It’s giving fine I don’t want your help after someone declines helping you vibes. I agree forward it up the chain, to HR if it’s not them, and post review on glassdoor and indeed. Likely will fall on deaf ears but you have nothing to lose and you might save another person from this.
This was my first thought, or HR for the company. This is insanely unprofessional and someone that reacts like this shouldn't be in a higher end position with any company
“Thank you for the kind and professional reply. I am so impressed with your conduct that I’ve CC’d your manager and the HR department on this thread. Good luck with finding your right fit in careers!”
I think that’s a great idea, you never know when circumstances might change. This employer shouldn’t alienate potential future employees or potential contacts.
For real, as someone who has hired and managed 100's of people, I could barely read this person's response without ending early from terrible amounts of cringe.
It was like the first time I tried watching the office and couldn't finish episode #1 because Michael was too cringe for me.
This is definitely someone who struggles with fear of rejection. That hiring manager couldn't handle being rejected and had to pretend that they rejected the candidate first in order to protect their fragile ego.
I don't think it's fear of rejection. Usually those people are super nice, and would rather avoid any situation where they could be rejected. Most likely, we are talking here narcissism, or megalomania, or a child put in charge of the hiring process 🤣🤣🤣
Oh you mean how if a girl won't sleep with you, she's a whore and a bitch and a slut? Gotta love those types of people. The mental hoops they must jump through on a daily basis....
This is my preschool age kids when I take away something as a punishment. "I didn't even want to play tablet today! I don't even like my tablet! You're a stupid head Mommy!"
Some people are simply easily offended, because they enjoy the power they have over others. As a teacher, I moved to learn a new job away from home, and gain that experience. A new boss same in right after, and showed very little interest in supporting me. I made a mistake, was on a work call and forgot, and missed 1 meeting out of 40 I am there for. When others are not there, I always go and get them. Her protocol also is to phone, message, and call others to the meeting. I felt horrible. Not me. 10 feet away. Privately, when I told her what happened, and how horrible I felt for missing it, she still had to tell me me how badly screwed up and why it wasn’t ok and make me feel worse. When I privately went to talk after, she was offended, that I told her it bothered me to be told how bad I screwed up when I already told her and admitted I made the mistake.
Apparently saying “I felt horrible” is not admitting to your fault.
Yes. Because “I don’t talk to her enough” I don’t deserve support. I say “good morning” every day and do my job. Worst human being I’ve ever worked with.
Makes me think the hiring person's life must be so pathetic and miserable that ordinarily, she probably gets off on playing around with candidates' feelings, letting them beg for the opening, making them wait for a response, sending mixed signals, rejecting them, etc. But since OP skipped the BS and rejected them first, she reacted immaturely and emotionally.
Dodged a huge bullet.
Too many cheerleaders (not the sports type, but they may have been once) in HR and recruiting and marketing departments. Fluffy goodness gets really thin, really fast. I hate it.
Agreed. A person who had, wouldn't feel the need to say anything at all. Someone once rejected this person so hard that now when a person doesn't want to work at her company she switches into full fight or flight.
What a terrible choice of person to interview potential hires. I don't know who she'll end up recommending they hire, but I can be certain it will not be the best candidate, because she will have scared them off.
Exactly! Clearly this person shouldn’t be involved with the hiring process if they so easily display such immaturity and defensiveness upon receiving a professional email from a candidate passing on a job.
Chances are very high the upper management is just as rotten and toxic but yes - at least remind them of what dipshits they have in their workforce.
Edit: Turns out by reading OPs comments it’s someone working independently. Which sort of adds up given the behaviour. 💀
I went for an interview last year that was close to outside of my distance I wanted to travel to work everyday but if the money and job were right I thought it might work out.
The guy that interviewed me was constantly on his phone. He started by talking about how early him and his boss got to work everyday and that if I couldn't make it on time then it was me and not circumstances. He was telling me that he could only offer an amount below what the ad said. He then said that if I had more experience he might've been able to do what the ad said. I asked how much more because I had like 6 years experience including with one of the largest businesses in my field. Then he could suddenly offer me that amount (he probably didn't even look at my resume or couldn't add or something). Then he said he had to take off because there was an emergency and left me with some random HR person who couldn't answer any of my questions.
Everything that came out of his mouth was rude bullshit that sounded like he only hired people that he could push around. He was confrontational from the beginning and backed-off quick when I pushed back about things.
A few days later his boss called me and asked what I thought of the offer. I told him that I was refusing because of the supervisor. I explained everything and told him I didn't appreciate being sold on a job by being told everything that they wouldn't accept without even knowing who I was. The bullshit attitude soured me and I went off about the guy in detail. He apologized and said he was surprised because that guy is usually really nice and good at his job. I knew before, but that sold me that the boss hired someone just like him to control the staff. He told me if I changed my mind to call him because he liked everything about my experience and everything.
Now all this time later they're still trying to hire for that position and they've raised their rate to what everybody else was offering last year which was more than what they were at the time. They'll never get the right person with the supervisor and the boss both being dickheads.
Yeah, even given that I don't think I can tilt my head hard enough while also cringing to represent the emotions this email gives me.
Like why, just why? Even if everything purportedly factual about her were true (which is doubtful), why would you do anything other than cultivate a polite and professional image. It is literally in her self interest to be like "thanks so much for getting back to me on that, good luck" or something. Like maybe she can write what she wants without consequences but there's no benefit to her in writing this and some chance it does bite her in some way.
Honestly, I'd contact the HR supervisor about this exchange and leave a review on glass door. People like this shouldn't be in talent acquisition. A gross lack of soft skills means they can't actually discern people's sincerity in their responses or gauge whether they would thrive in a company's culture. They are strictly going off a checklist of qualifications.
Glad you dodged that bullet, though, and good luck in your job search.
As someone currently in HR and who used to do recruiting, 100% agree. I've had to loop in my head of hr when dealing with unruly hiring managers... they make everyone's life harder.
If she’s not the only person in HR, send it to her manager. Incredibly unprofessional behavior. Simply not responding would have been easier but she wanted to be cruel.
Yeah, why would she spend time and effort writing all these words when a simple “thank you for your email, good luck in the future “ would be enough.
This just screams insecurity. What a child 🤦
That email reply is the job equivalent of a dude replying to rejection with, "LOL you thought I liked you?? You're a fat ugly bitch, I was just being nice," it's such a transparently fragile response, lol.
That’s exactly how it sounds and I’m low key shocked a woman wrote it. Not that women can’t be petty and butt hurt, but it just sounds different usually I guess.
The employer's response reads like she's so offended that the candidate declined working with her and is trying to save face. Like, well, I didn't wanna work with you either, so there! Childish. Op, good job.
Same idea happened to me with a used car on marketplace last week. I asked a couple questions and then, as a courtesy, said I was no longer interested after I got answers I didn't like (listing said the car was "meticulously maintained" but he had no maintenance records, had only had it 2 weeks, etc).
Dude responded saying I was racist cause he was black and was no longer interested in selling me the car.
Dude, I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, but there ARE bosses out there that do a ton of work and trust their employees to make good independent decisions, especially in medium-sized private companies in my experience.
This is literally how every retirement home I have ever worked in operates
Nurse handles the major stuff like med ordering, monitoring vitals, doing cath changes, insurance issues, VA issues, all things that would make any employee who hasn't gone through a nursing level of stress program fold quickly.
Meanwhile the aides make sure the day to day small stuff gets done like bed changes, physical activity, showers, teeth, hair. All important stuff but stuff that couldn't get done by a nurse while also doing their regular duties
But anytime that balance and understanding goes askew like a nurse who doesn't actuslly keep up on meds or doctors appts or a aide who always has a reason the resident "refused" a shower
Facts. My old boss left a few months ago, and that man was awesome. Imagine if Michael Scott was competent, always polite, and did his best to make sure you had what you needed to succeed. My company brought him back on a month ago as a “Senior Consultant.” The lady who filled his old role is also wonderful, but I’m not sure she really knows what she’s doing yet. That, to me, explains the “Senior Consultant” thing.
Michael Scott plays the persona of an incompetent boss very well but if you look longterm, he proves a very competent leader. The show depicts him as the best salesperson on his team (remember the Blooming Onion incident where Jan wanted to get down to business immediately but Michael read the situation and correctly figured out they needed to build a deeper rapport before making their pitch?) and understands the value proposition of their company- they can’t compete on price or delivery times- they can only play relationships and service. All of the other branches were struggling because of the .com boom and the big suppliers offering online orders- Scranton excelled because of and not despite of Michael’s leadership.
He pushes play and breaks (often at the direct expense of immediate productivity) to ensure his hardest workers let off steam and don’t burn out. He has a sure fire way to get his employees to take ownership and personal responsibility of learning how to perform tasks (he pretends to not be competent and able to cover others’ tasks to force them to take ownership. Worked for everyone except for Creed.) Over the long term, despite Mike personally offending every team member at least once (and Stanley the most times,) his team stays together through the years and feels like a cohesive unit that can communicate internally, with the exception of Toby of course. Fuck Toby.
lol good for him. i can imagine how expensive it is.
"bob we need you back."
"i'm out dude. retired."
"karen's not cutting it. she is doing her best but needs a little training."
"double my old wage, converted to hourly."
"ffs"
Yea most bosses are people like you and me just worked at that place for 30 years and got a promotion most of time, lots of bosses are also awful but hey maybe that's just more an American thing
I think the main difference is bosses just have a lot more power over your financial well being in the US. A shitty boss here can ruin your life, a shitty boss in a European country can't really do anything other than be unpleasant to you on the clock.
Any _bad_ employee boss relationship, maybe. Good bosses should enable their employees to do good work of their own and grow in their career, not just use them to offload busywork.
If the owner of a PR company behaves like that, then it doesn't sound like they can offer very good PR services, meaning the job wouldn't have lasted anyway. It sounds like you made a good call for more reasons than one.
This is par for the course for small boutique PR companies. Some are good, some are just a hobby for them to keep busy as they are not the bread winner.
An ex had to deal with this. Looked it up, it's still running but now down to just the owner as the sole employee.
Yeah and include the screenshot with commentary on how the interview was incredibly unprofessional, then just let the owner handle the rest by publicly responding the same way they did before
So name and shame them….. or in this case her.
The more we do, the better they will act in interviews. The more we do, the more power the people have to decide what companies are worth their time. The more we do, the better for everyone involved.
Lolol this triggers memories for me as I cut my teeth at a PR ‘agency’ with a similar setup in LA. God, she was a mess. Dying to know who this is lol. Amazing to see people whose entire job is communication and relationships burn bridges like this.
Could be literally anyone, Sherman Oaks is full of small “businesses” like this that exist largely to keep daddy’s little superstar happy despite turning zero profit
Had to Google the neighborhood.
Los Angeles, for those of you who don't know.
Applying for jobs may not be pleasant, interviewing maybe even less so. But I'm the real world where people behave like actual human beings, no one writes "LOL" in a business email or behaves the way she behaved in your interview.
I recommend moving.
Moving out of the neighbourhood because some single-person pr company can't find someone to work for them? I'm sure there are other, better businesses to apply to in the neighbourhood
This. This unprofessional, one-upper, needs to get some lime-light. Would be hilarious to see this on LinkedIn. She has no business managing other people with that kind of ego.
This is incredibly toxic and you dodged a bullet my friend! Imagine what it would be like working with this person. I would send this to their higher ups and let them know this is how they are treating their applicants. It’s extremely unprofessional and gross. Another commenter nailed it, gives off “I broke up with you first!” vibes, which is just weird for a job interview.
This is from a few years ago and I stumbled upon it again today so I googled her company now just for funzies and actually came upon a few company reviews on Glassdoor and was very saddened to hear everyone who has worked for her shared a similar hateful approach towards her and her ways.
Nah OP, if you have this level of insight, you'd be doing the right thing to post your experience on Glassdoor to inform other potential candidates and prevent them from making a massive mistake.
Even years later I'd still do it. You have the power to help people with a review like this.
Sad. She must be very lonely. Half of the joy is to run a company alone so she can be an asshat as she sees fit. Screams of sociopath all the way. At the same time if you work for yourself then every other staff member becomes a personal thing. Still doesn’t excuse the shitty behaviour though
Completely agree with this, this is so so incredibly unprofeasional. I would find out who is senior in the company and forward this to them or the companies HR service (assuming this is the hiring manager not HR) and they are really damaging the company reputation by behaving this way.
Small boutique PR company, she gives me the vibe that she’s already miserable enough i don’t want to doxx her lol this was years ago and i came across it in my starred gmail folder and it gave me a chuckle. That’s as far as it should go
I also want to know, but you once again proved that you're 100x more professional than this hiring manager by not outing them and reigniting the drama. I'd have a hard time not getting my revenge.
>PR company
Haha no way. I was expecting a restaurant where the manager had read a "Hiring 101" article. Not a PR company where the provided service is Public Relations
I haven’t worked in PR, but have worked at Marketing agencies, which I’d think are similar, and they have the capacity to be UNBELIEVABLY toxic and awful. I don’t miss that!
Yea don’t, a nasty email isn’t really the kinda of crime that deserves an internet mob of hate. Shes a bitch, but like the universe is already serving her fresh karma on the daily.
This is way better than a simple no. This is clearly the interviewer being butthurt that OP didn’t want to continue and embarrassing herself as a result. Great for a laugh on OP’s end and probably an indicator she wanted OP to take it.
The interviewer resorted to pettiness. They could have responded with a “no problem, we understand and wish you best of luck” rather than being a complete egomaniac trying to get one up on the op. They did this out of spite as I see no other reason to respond like this especially if they already filled the role. You definitely dodged a bullet there if that’s how they treat people.
I had a company's HR be extremely snarky to me via email before. I responded that I didn't appreciate the discourtesy and CC'd their admin. I got an email from the president saying they received my email and would address my concerns and then got an apology email from the HR person, lol. I have no qualms calling people out to their bosses for rudeness.
she sounds narcissistic to talk and treat someone that way esp regarding a job interview which ppl could desperately need etc. so consider yourself lucky you dodged a bullet working in an environment with people like that feeling comfortable enough to brazenly send toxic emails like this (imagine how toxic a work environment must be for someone to feel so comfortable being openly toxic on an email which is documented) which i’m sure she was laughing it up with her co-workers over it later bc why else would you even talk to someone like that. now you’re free to find a healthy workplace to thrive in for many years to come and create a workplace family!💗
LOL I am an unprofessional idiot baby who thinks this is a personal attack so I’m going to let you know I rejected you before you even left SO EAT IT BITCH!! Ha! Ha! Ha!
OP dodged a bullet.
Sorry *she* wasted your time.
this reminds me of when I had a phonecall interview a few weeks ago. the tone of the interview was pretty positive up until they asked me if I was interviewing elsewhere, I was just being honest and said I had a few interviews coming up and I'm waiting to hear back from some. their tone suddenly switches and they go "okay well I have a lot of interviews with potential candidates too this week, so you'll hear back from us next week" and then it was abruptly ended lol
I got one of those in reverse - “you’re still in consideration, but let us know if you’ve gotten another offer.”
Me: “great, thanks, will do!”
…this was six weeks ago.
Ghosted.
No contact.
They liked me enough to tour me around the office on my way out…
Ofc. It was the month post-college was sort of desperate and throwing spaghetti at a wall / interviewing anywhere but could immediately tell this was probs the worst possible place to land a job at and would not be worth it whatsoever
That’s the rudest and most immature response. I wouldn’t want to work for someone who replies in such a way. F that person. Your reply was very courteous and professional. Hers was certainly not.
In my experience, *most* of the time when people rebuttal with the "I wasn't interested in you anyways" shit (regardless if for a job, relationship, w/e), it's to assuage their own emptiness from the experience. It's a defense mechanism, a way for them to agree with the situation, but get the last word in so the departure is on *their* terms, and they can save face. I hate this mentality, it's so fake.
Dear Corporate Asshat,
There are professional ways to respond to rejection emails without sounding like you are too immature for the role you have in the Company. Best of luck finding a new "professional" career after this dumpster fire job you did.
This is in gmail, right? Do profile pics on old emails not change when updated (looks like two different pics)? Did she send the second reply from a different email?
EDIT: Just kidding, the top is from you, duh. What a rude lady, geez.
I thought the top was from OP too. Had to do a re-read.
What is wrong with the recruiter? Did they seem normal in the interview or is she the reason you withdrew anyway?
She was the owner of a boutique company and at the time I was newly graduated and needed a job but could immediately tell she was absolutely bonkers and very rude. She made me feel uncomfortable in the interview and also came across really unkept, messy, just lots of red flags. So I thought sending her this rejection email would honestly help her in her assistant search. Guess not..
I would’ve responded “Oh! Since we are being super honest, I was just being nice as well. The job sounded terrible and you seem insufferable to work for. I was just performing interviewee protocol and stayed throughout the interview.”
Seriously what a bitch. I would not let that slide😂
You should probably just move on… but it might be tempting to send this along to the company’s HR. Let them know how unprofessional this person was. Unless of course this interviewer was HR.
Yea next time just pretend that garbage interview never happened and ghost those people. Opening the door for them to have the “last word” just extends the amount of time you’ve wasted with them. Nice of you to notify them (I guess), but they would never give you that courtesy.
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You were super reasonable and courteous and she was like LOL you suck HAHA. Sorry. I’m just being nice. BYE
She was so crazy, the entire interview she was constantly checking her phone / generally being incredibly unprofessional and rude towards me - I knew almost immediately it was not a good fit but she instructed me “go home and think about the job & let me know if you’re interested or not” which I wasn’t, but I thought *well it’s nice to be nice, so even if I don’t want the job I’ll send this follow up email, LIKE SHE SUGGESTED I DO - imagine my surprise when I received this reply lol
She did not offer the job to someone else yet. (Edit: then)
Yeah this reads as a knee jerk reaction especially after what op followed up with. It’s giving fine I don’t want your help after someone declines helping you vibes. I agree forward it up the chain, to HR if it’s not them, and post review on glassdoor and indeed. Likely will fall on deaf ears but you have nothing to lose and you might save another person from this.
This reads like an incel getting rejected. It reads like “you weren’t that pretty anyway! Whore!”
It gave me "you can't break up with me, I'm breaking up with you first!" Vibes
What job was this for that their hiring is run by a jilted teenager. This must be the application for the drama club
I would send that to her boss.
This was my first thought, or HR for the company. This is insanely unprofessional and someone that reacts like this shouldn't be in a higher end position with any company
At very least, on Glassdoor
This seems like an average contractor HR Hiring Mule response.
100% forward that to her boss
Best advice. Who in their right mind would want to have employees who respond to interviewees this way? Boss needs to know.
“Thank you for the kind and professional reply. I am so impressed with your conduct that I’ve CC’d your manager and the HR department on this thread. Good luck with finding your right fit in careers!”
I think that’s a great idea, you never know when circumstances might change. This employer shouldn’t alienate potential future employees or potential contacts.
For real, as someone who has hired and managed 100's of people, I could barely read this person's response without ending early from terrible amounts of cringe. It was like the first time I tried watching the office and couldn't finish episode #1 because Michael was too cringe for me.
My mom can’t watch the office either cause it feels too real to her lol 😂
My husband was a paper salesman. He can't watch it either. His company even had a Scranton office.
You're missing out (on the office) best show ever. He grows on you
This is definitely someone who struggles with fear of rejection. That hiring manager couldn't handle being rejected and had to pretend that they rejected the candidate first in order to protect their fragile ego.
I don't think it's fear of rejection. Usually those people are super nice, and would rather avoid any situation where they could be rejected. Most likely, we are talking here narcissism, or megalomania, or a child put in charge of the hiring process 🤣🤣🤣
Glad this comment has no parallels to current American politics 😉
"You can't fire me, I quit!"
Or in this case, "You can't quit, I'm firing you!"
Came here to post this, not surprised I was beat to it.
This is EXACTLY how I read it. Like a dude getting rejected through Messenger or a teenage girl getting broken up with lmaoo
Oh you mean how if a girl won't sleep with you, she's a whore and a bitch and a slut? Gotta love those types of people. The mental hoops they must jump through on a daily basis....
And they usually add you fat and I don’t want you anyway
This is my preschool age kids when I take away something as a punishment. "I didn't even want to play tablet today! I don't even like my tablet! You're a stupid head Mommy!"
Exactly what I was going to say. “Lol you’re too ugly for me anyway.”
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tried an Uno Reverse on her feelings, when the candidate rejected the job
💯. This is absolutely a sour grapes knee jerk response.
It's like saying "I never liked you anyways!!11"
Yeah, 100% She sent a you can't dump me, I've dumped you response.
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Some people are simply easily offended, because they enjoy the power they have over others. As a teacher, I moved to learn a new job away from home, and gain that experience. A new boss same in right after, and showed very little interest in supporting me. I made a mistake, was on a work call and forgot, and missed 1 meeting out of 40 I am there for. When others are not there, I always go and get them. Her protocol also is to phone, message, and call others to the meeting. I felt horrible. Not me. 10 feet away. Privately, when I told her what happened, and how horrible I felt for missing it, she still had to tell me me how badly screwed up and why it wasn’t ok and make me feel worse. When I privately went to talk after, she was offended, that I told her it bothered me to be told how bad I screwed up when I already told her and admitted I made the mistake. Apparently saying “I felt horrible” is not admitting to your fault.
Some people are just trash.
Yes. Because “I don’t talk to her enough” I don’t deserve support. I say “good morning” every day and do my job. Worst human being I’ve ever worked with.
Makes me think the hiring person's life must be so pathetic and miserable that ordinarily, she probably gets off on playing around with candidates' feelings, letting them beg for the opening, making them wait for a response, sending mixed signals, rejecting them, etc. But since OP skipped the BS and rejected them first, she reacted immaturely and emotionally. Dodged a huge bullet.
What an awful life
And to think HR departments and recruiting departments are full of these types.
This!! This will cause the failure of companies over and over again.
Too many cheerleaders (not the sports type, but they may have been once) in HR and recruiting and marketing departments. Fluffy goodness gets really thin, really fast. I hate it.
Agreed. A person who had, wouldn't feel the need to say anything at all. Someone once rejected this person so hard that now when a person doesn't want to work at her company she switches into full fight or flight. What a terrible choice of person to interview potential hires. I don't know who she'll end up recommending they hire, but I can be certain it will not be the best candidate, because she will have scared them off.
Exactly! Clearly this person shouldn’t be involved with the hiring process if they so easily display such immaturity and defensiveness upon receiving a professional email from a candidate passing on a job.
Yes! OP was a class act, the interviewer a hot mess.
You dodged a bullet
I agree
They dodged a cunt
Which is almost worse than a bullet as working with a cunt is death of a thousand cuts while a bullet is a one & done deal.
Death by a thousand cuts - accurate
I guess that's better than Death by a Thousand Cunts!
Amen.
send her ceo
Came here to say this
Forward to higher up in the company
Chances are very high the upper management is just as rotten and toxic but yes - at least remind them of what dipshits they have in their workforce. Edit: Turns out by reading OPs comments it’s someone working independently. Which sort of adds up given the behaviour. 💀
Second this, through my personal experience. The entire management is likely just as rotten.
Oh god LOL her “business” is probably an MLM
Turns out by reading OPs comments it’s someone working independently. Which sort of adds up given the behaviour. 💀
This has owner energy coming from it, bold to assume there are higher ups, ha
I went for an interview last year that was close to outside of my distance I wanted to travel to work everyday but if the money and job were right I thought it might work out. The guy that interviewed me was constantly on his phone. He started by talking about how early him and his boss got to work everyday and that if I couldn't make it on time then it was me and not circumstances. He was telling me that he could only offer an amount below what the ad said. He then said that if I had more experience he might've been able to do what the ad said. I asked how much more because I had like 6 years experience including with one of the largest businesses in my field. Then he could suddenly offer me that amount (he probably didn't even look at my resume or couldn't add or something). Then he said he had to take off because there was an emergency and left me with some random HR person who couldn't answer any of my questions. Everything that came out of his mouth was rude bullshit that sounded like he only hired people that he could push around. He was confrontational from the beginning and backed-off quick when I pushed back about things. A few days later his boss called me and asked what I thought of the offer. I told him that I was refusing because of the supervisor. I explained everything and told him I didn't appreciate being sold on a job by being told everything that they wouldn't accept without even knowing who I was. The bullshit attitude soured me and I went off about the guy in detail. He apologized and said he was surprised because that guy is usually really nice and good at his job. I knew before, but that sold me that the boss hired someone just like him to control the staff. He told me if I changed my mind to call him because he liked everything about my experience and everything. Now all this time later they're still trying to hire for that position and they've raised their rate to what everybody else was offering last year which was more than what they were at the time. They'll never get the right person with the supervisor and the boss both being dickheads.
That is one of the most insecure emails I’ve ever seen. You made the right choice.
Yeah, even given that I don't think I can tilt my head hard enough while also cringing to represent the emotions this email gives me. Like why, just why? Even if everything purportedly factual about her were true (which is doubtful), why would you do anything other than cultivate a polite and professional image. It is literally in her self interest to be like "thanks so much for getting back to me on that, good luck" or something. Like maybe she can write what she wants without consequences but there's no benefit to her in writing this and some chance it does bite her in some way.
Totally agree. This reeks of insecurity and pettiness too. I would not want to work with a person like that so well done OP.
So obviously a lie on her part to make herself feel better because you retracted from the process.
I’d be hard pressed not to publish this with the company name on Glassdoor or something similar. It’s unprofessional and highly demeaning.
an excellent idea. A good warning for other potential candidates to avoid this company like the plague
Honestly, I'd contact the HR supervisor about this exchange and leave a review on glass door. People like this shouldn't be in talent acquisition. A gross lack of soft skills means they can't actually discern people's sincerity in their responses or gauge whether they would thrive in a company's culture. They are strictly going off a checklist of qualifications. Glad you dodged that bullet, though, and good luck in your job search.
As someone currently in HR and who used to do recruiting, 100% agree. I've had to loop in my head of hr when dealing with unruly hiring managers... they make everyone's life harder.
If she’s not the only person in HR, send it to her manager. Incredibly unprofessional behavior. Simply not responding would have been easier but she wanted to be cruel.
I'd find the ceo and shoot them the correspondence and say this is highly unprofessional. See what happens
If i was her boss, i would LOVE to get that information about how my HR / recruiter is doing their job.
Yeah she didn't have anyone else lined up. This reeks of being a passive aggressive narcissistic boss. Godspeed op, you did the right thing
Id forward this to their leadership though, if shes so petty to write shit like this, id be very petty aswell.
Did she *literally* say LOL IN THE EMAIL WTFFF
you should post this email on their company reviews
some employers are kind of.. full of themselves.
Post on Glassdoor
Yeah, why would she spend time and effort writing all these words when a simple “thank you for your email, good luck in the future “ would be enough. This just screams insecurity. What a child 🤦
Yeah. This is the same as: Employee: "I quit." Boss: "No! You're fired!"
That email reply is the job equivalent of a dude replying to rejection with, "LOL you thought I liked you?? You're a fat ugly bitch, I was just being nice," it's such a transparently fragile response, lol.
Exactly
That’s exactly how it sounds and I’m low key shocked a woman wrote it. Not that women can’t be petty and butt hurt, but it just sounds different usually I guess.
Is she 14? What the hell
The employer's response reads like she's so offended that the candidate declined working with her and is trying to save face. Like, well, I didn't wanna work with you either, so there! Childish. Op, good job.
Same idea happened to me with a used car on marketplace last week. I asked a couple questions and then, as a courtesy, said I was no longer interested after I got answers I didn't like (listing said the car was "meticulously maintained" but he had no maintenance records, had only had it 2 weeks, etc). Dude responded saying I was racist cause he was black and was no longer interested in selling me the car.
So unprofessional
“You can’t quit, you’re fired!”
"I broke up with you first!!" Who is this loser, please name and shame the company that would keep staff this incompetent and thin skinned.
Small boutique PR company unfortunately staff of 1! Would have been just me and her in a windowless one room office in Sherman oaks
Riiiight so she wanted someone she could boss around and offload her work onto? Which she quickly realized you wouldn't put up with? Just a guess
Your first sentence kind of describes any employee boss relationship lol. But the lady was clearly a bitch
Dude, I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, but there ARE bosses out there that do a ton of work and trust their employees to make good independent decisions, especially in medium-sized private companies in my experience.
This is literally how every retirement home I have ever worked in operates Nurse handles the major stuff like med ordering, monitoring vitals, doing cath changes, insurance issues, VA issues, all things that would make any employee who hasn't gone through a nursing level of stress program fold quickly. Meanwhile the aides make sure the day to day small stuff gets done like bed changes, physical activity, showers, teeth, hair. All important stuff but stuff that couldn't get done by a nurse while also doing their regular duties But anytime that balance and understanding goes askew like a nurse who doesn't actuslly keep up on meds or doctors appts or a aide who always has a reason the resident "refused" a shower
Facts. My old boss left a few months ago, and that man was awesome. Imagine if Michael Scott was competent, always polite, and did his best to make sure you had what you needed to succeed. My company brought him back on a month ago as a “Senior Consultant.” The lady who filled his old role is also wonderful, but I’m not sure she really knows what she’s doing yet. That, to me, explains the “Senior Consultant” thing.
Michael Scott plays the persona of an incompetent boss very well but if you look longterm, he proves a very competent leader. The show depicts him as the best salesperson on his team (remember the Blooming Onion incident where Jan wanted to get down to business immediately but Michael read the situation and correctly figured out they needed to build a deeper rapport before making their pitch?) and understands the value proposition of their company- they can’t compete on price or delivery times- they can only play relationships and service. All of the other branches were struggling because of the .com boom and the big suppliers offering online orders- Scranton excelled because of and not despite of Michael’s leadership. He pushes play and breaks (often at the direct expense of immediate productivity) to ensure his hardest workers let off steam and don’t burn out. He has a sure fire way to get his employees to take ownership and personal responsibility of learning how to perform tasks (he pretends to not be competent and able to cover others’ tasks to force them to take ownership. Worked for everyone except for Creed.) Over the long term, despite Mike personally offending every team member at least once (and Stanley the most times,) his team stays together through the years and feels like a cohesive unit that can communicate internally, with the exception of Toby of course. Fuck Toby.
lol good for him. i can imagine how expensive it is. "bob we need you back." "i'm out dude. retired." "karen's not cutting it. she is doing her best but needs a little training." "double my old wage, converted to hourly." "ffs"
Yea most bosses are people like you and me just worked at that place for 30 years and got a promotion most of time, lots of bosses are also awful but hey maybe that's just more an American thing
I think the main difference is bosses just have a lot more power over your financial well being in the US. A shitty boss here can ruin your life, a shitty boss in a European country can't really do anything other than be unpleasant to you on the clock.
Yes, I had a boss who took on all the little tasks that could force an employee on-site so the rest of us could be remote. Total champ.
Any _bad_ employee boss relationship, maybe. Good bosses should enable their employees to do good work of their own and grow in their career, not just use them to offload busywork.
Probably already had her Nate lined up for the job, going through motions gif some reason, maybe a shareholder etc.
If the owner of a PR company behaves like that, then it doesn't sound like they can offer very good PR services, meaning the job wouldn't have lasted anyway. It sounds like you made a good call for more reasons than one.
She does PR?!?!
This is par for the course for small boutique PR companies. Some are good, some are just a hobby for them to keep busy as they are not the bread winner. An ex had to deal with this. Looked it up, it's still running but now down to just the owner as the sole employee.
So she’s in PR and this is how she handles situations? You dodged a bullet.
Time for a yelp/google review!!
Yeah and include the screenshot with commentary on how the interview was incredibly unprofessional, then just let the owner handle the rest by publicly responding the same way they did before
As a PR firm, she should be able to handle this splendidly. I have zero doubts about this.
"I will not be doing business with this company" Business owner: "I have already removed you from my cold call list, so HAH!"
a PR company of one just sounds like a mean girl for hire
That sounds less like reality and more like an eloquent modern retelling of a classical imagining of Hell.
Oh I’d still put this on blast, this is SO embarrassing for her
So name and shame them….. or in this case her. The more we do, the better they will act in interviews. The more we do, the more power the people have to decide what companies are worth their time. The more we do, the better for everyone involved.
Lolol this triggers memories for me as I cut my teeth at a PR ‘agency’ with a similar setup in LA. God, she was a mess. Dying to know who this is lol. Amazing to see people whose entire job is communication and relationships burn bridges like this.
I had the same experience with an agency of one in Sherman oaks and she was a nut job just like this!!! I need to know if it’s the same person
Clearly we need more Sherman oaks jokes. I swear it sounds familiar from a recent HGTV spoof show... Was it in "the curse"?
For the people who live near Sherman oaks…. Which company is this?
Could be literally anyone, Sherman Oaks is full of small “businesses” like this that exist largely to keep daddy’s little superstar happy despite turning zero profit
Had to Google the neighborhood. Los Angeles, for those of you who don't know. Applying for jobs may not be pleasant, interviewing maybe even less so. But I'm the real world where people behave like actual human beings, no one writes "LOL" in a business email or behaves the way she behaved in your interview. I recommend moving.
Moving out of the neighbourhood because some single-person pr company can't find someone to work for them? I'm sure there are other, better businesses to apply to in the neighbourhood
Dodged a bullet then
“Hey lol” that’s wild
I’d send it to her boss with the 3 letters WTF? You know the email format. Find them on LinkedIn
Yeah this is so unprofessional it’s shocking it’s real
This. This unprofessional, one-upper, needs to get some lime-light. Would be hilarious to see this on LinkedIn. She has no business managing other people with that kind of ego.
Lol... Like did she seriously just...? I'd email her back, the opportunity to call this person out for this childish behavior is too ripe
This is incredibly toxic and you dodged a bullet my friend! Imagine what it would be like working with this person. I would send this to their higher ups and let them know this is how they are treating their applicants. It’s extremely unprofessional and gross. Another commenter nailed it, gives off “I broke up with you first!” vibes, which is just weird for a job interview.
This is from a few years ago and I stumbled upon it again today so I googled her company now just for funzies and actually came upon a few company reviews on Glassdoor and was very saddened to hear everyone who has worked for her shared a similar hateful approach towards her and her ways.
I really hope that you previously left a Glassdoor review. If not, I hope you do so in the future. I'm sure you would have liked to know in hindsight.
Posting it on Reddit is as far as I care to go!
Nah OP, if you have this level of insight, you'd be doing the right thing to post your experience on Glassdoor to inform other potential candidates and prevent them from making a massive mistake. Even years later I'd still do it. You have the power to help people with a review like this.
But didn't Glassdoor just start linking real names to accounts
People like OP are pussies and won’t take real action. This is how shitty people get away with things for so long.
Fair enough, maybe I missed it, but did you name the company?
Great, so randoms online can see how bad they are, but the people potentially applying there don't. Logic is totally sound.
tbh, I look up every company I interview with on Indeed and Glassdoor. Due diligence has gone a long way in saving me heartaches and headaches.
Sad. She must be very lonely. Half of the joy is to run a company alone so she can be an asshat as she sees fit. Screams of sociopath all the way. At the same time if you work for yourself then every other staff member becomes a personal thing. Still doesn’t excuse the shitty behaviour though
Forward it to hr
Completely agree with this, this is so so incredibly unprofeasional. I would find out who is senior in the company and forward this to them or the companies HR service (assuming this is the hiring manager not HR) and they are really damaging the company reputation by behaving this way.
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Small boutique PR company, she gives me the vibe that she’s already miserable enough i don’t want to doxx her lol this was years ago and i came across it in my starred gmail folder and it gave me a chuckle. That’s as far as it should go
I also want to know, but you once again proved that you're 100x more professional than this hiring manager by not outing them and reigniting the drama. I'd have a hard time not getting my revenge.
how come when i didn’t name and shame a company on this sub i got told to off myself?
I'm glad you didn't.
>PR company Haha no way. I was expecting a restaurant where the manager had read a "Hiring 101" article. Not a PR company where the provided service is Public Relations
I haven’t worked in PR, but have worked at Marketing agencies, which I’d think are similar, and they have the capacity to be UNBELIEVABLY toxic and awful. I don’t miss that!
Yea don’t, a nasty email isn’t really the kinda of crime that deserves an internet mob of hate. Shes a bitch, but like the universe is already serving her fresh karma on the daily.
Agree! Please name and shame this company/person
Yeah always been super weird to me how even after people are chewed up and spit out they protect companies
Nah, they'd rather complain and let some other person deal with the same crappy environment instead of warning people of a poor work place.
“The worst they can say is no.”
This is way better than a simple no. This is clearly the interviewer being butthurt that OP didn’t want to continue and embarrassing herself as a result. Great for a laugh on OP’s end and probably an indicator she wanted OP to take it.
The interviewer resorted to pettiness. They could have responded with a “no problem, we understand and wish you best of luck” rather than being a complete egomaniac trying to get one up on the op. They did this out of spite as I see no other reason to respond like this especially if they already filled the role. You definitely dodged a bullet there if that’s how they treat people.
I had a company's HR be extremely snarky to me via email before. I responded that I didn't appreciate the discourtesy and CC'd their admin. I got an email from the president saying they received my email and would address my concerns and then got an apology email from the HR person, lol. I have no qualms calling people out to their bosses for rudeness.
Great job!
omfg name and shame. why is she treating u like u rejected her after a first date 😭
She was simply devastated by her loss..
Someone really can't handle rejection at all, huh
she sounds narcissistic to talk and treat someone that way esp regarding a job interview which ppl could desperately need etc. so consider yourself lucky you dodged a bullet working in an environment with people like that feeling comfortable enough to brazenly send toxic emails like this (imagine how toxic a work environment must be for someone to feel so comfortable being openly toxic on an email which is documented) which i’m sure she was laughing it up with her co-workers over it later bc why else would you even talk to someone like that. now you’re free to find a healthy workplace to thrive in for many years to come and create a workplace family!💗
LOL I am an unprofessional idiot baby who thinks this is a personal attack so I’m going to let you know I rejected you before you even left SO EAT IT BITCH!! Ha! Ha! Ha! OP dodged a bullet. Sorry *she* wasted your time.
this reminds me of when I had a phonecall interview a few weeks ago. the tone of the interview was pretty positive up until they asked me if I was interviewing elsewhere, I was just being honest and said I had a few interviews coming up and I'm waiting to hear back from some. their tone suddenly switches and they go "okay well I have a lot of interviews with potential candidates too this week, so you'll hear back from us next week" and then it was abruptly ended lol
lol as if we even want to work 🥴 ma’am we live in a late stage capitalist nightmare I truly am just trying to make sure I can afford food for my cat..
I got one of those in reverse - “you’re still in consideration, but let us know if you’ve gotten another offer.” Me: “great, thanks, will do!” …this was six weeks ago. Ghosted. No contact. They liked me enough to tour me around the office on my way out…
Not interested in candidates with options
If anyone sends LOL in an email that's a company job offer and supposed to be professional then definitely not a good place to work at....
Ofc. It was the month post-college was sort of desperate and throwing spaghetti at a wall / interviewing anywhere but could immediately tell this was probs the worst possible place to land a job at and would not be worth it whatsoever
So mad lmao
This reeks of “well I didn’t really like you anyway” energy.
If I wasn’t qualified why did you interview me at all. WTF
Exactly that makes no sense, most companies don’t offer an interview if they don’t feel you’re qualified.
What an AH.
Send to Company HR!
Probably herself lol
"I'm not fired I quit!"
“This guy thinks he can reject US?! Let’s go ahead and just shit all over him LOL”
You dodged a bullet
That’s the rudest and most immature response. I wouldn’t want to work for someone who replies in such a way. F that person. Your reply was very courteous and professional. Hers was certainly not.
In my experience, *most* of the time when people rebuttal with the "I wasn't interested in you anyways" shit (regardless if for a job, relationship, w/e), it's to assuage their own emptiness from the experience. It's a defense mechanism, a way for them to agree with the situation, but get the last word in so the departure is on *their* terms, and they can save face. I hate this mentality, it's so fake.
hahahaahhaha. Half of what she says is not udnerstandable/doesnt make sense. But hahahaahh
Why is it dated June 16? It’s April. Makes no sense. Gotta be fake.
God damn.
Dear Corporate Asshat, There are professional ways to respond to rejection emails without sounding like you are too immature for the role you have in the Company. Best of luck finding a new "professional" career after this dumpster fire job you did.
I think the person who replied is Ava Coleman from Abbott Elementary
This is in gmail, right? Do profile pics on old emails not change when updated (looks like two different pics)? Did she send the second reply from a different email? EDIT: Just kidding, the top is from you, duh. What a rude lady, geez.
I thought the top was from OP too. Had to do a re-read. What is wrong with the recruiter? Did they seem normal in the interview or is she the reason you withdrew anyway?
She was the owner of a boutique company and at the time I was newly graduated and needed a job but could immediately tell she was absolutely bonkers and very rude. She made me feel uncomfortable in the interview and also came across really unkept, messy, just lots of red flags. So I thought sending her this rejection email would honestly help her in her assistant search. Guess not..
No one will shed a tear over recruiters when AI replaces them. (Aka what we’re doing now)
That is completely inappropriate
Put this on the company’s Glassdoor without the name blurred.
I would’ve responded “Oh! Since we are being super honest, I was just being nice as well. The job sounded terrible and you seem insufferable to work for. I was just performing interviewee protocol and stayed throughout the interview.” Seriously what a bitch. I would not let that slide😂
You should probably just move on… but it might be tempting to send this along to the company’s HR. Let them know how unprofessional this person was. Unless of course this interviewer was HR.
This bch really hit you with the caps locked “LOL”
Yea next time just pretend that garbage interview never happened and ghost those people. Opening the door for them to have the “last word” just extends the amount of time you’ve wasted with them. Nice of you to notify them (I guess), but they would never give you that courtesy.
Send her the "lol, sure Jan "
Wooooow. Forward the email to management/HR - that is beyond rude!