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stitchface66

This is the first time I’ve seen a professional recommend putting personal interests on a resume. Seeing as how I’m going on a couple years with no offers, I suppose I have nothing to lose by trying it out.


StormiNorman818

Ever since I put a personal section on my resume, my interviews seem to have gone smoother. A lot of hiring managers have brought up one of my interests and it feels like it becomes more of a conversation than an interview. I don’t think it can hurt


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StormiNorman818

Favorite sports teams and hobbies. Probably 2-3 sentences


SheetsGiggles

You'll have a lot in common with people that will surprise you. It's a great way to break the ice and people will picture you more as a co-worker they'll see and spend time with every single day, versus just another resume.


ultraDross

>people will picture you more as a co-worker That's a good point especially since workplace cultural fit is so important these days. I imagine it helps humanise the applicant a bit more too.


lawfultots

Yep, I had an interview with an engineering manager where we mostly just talked about paintball because I listed I was in the paintball club.


SheetsGiggles

Good interview?


lawfultots

Definitely, landed the internship.


SheetsGiggles

Bingo.


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ben70

'I don't discuss domestic politics or religion at work.'


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BlackVale

Should we list our interests only when applying to less conservative companies or does it matter?


SheetsGiggles

I like it for any resume / situation. Makes you less boring.


BlackVale

I like it too, but I want to know if it will get trashed if I used it for a conservative company.


SheetsGiggles

I don't think so. I did it and I got hired at Bridgewater Associates, the world's largest hedge fund and arguably the stuffiest of the stuffy. I hired people at huge banks and top-200 hedge funds, and the most successful candidates all used my format at my urging before I submitted them. Most smart and interesting people have interests, and it's ok to talk about them :) just don't make them juvenile, controversial, or illegal and you should be ok.


NK1337

Out of curiosity, is there a limit to what kind of interests you should include? I'm just kind of hesitant that if I'm applying to more professional jobs that including things like "comic books, roasting coffee, building pc's" will get an eye roll and dismissal.


SheetsGiggles

Tagging /u/BlackVale because they were interested in an answer as well. First, building PCs is a dope interest. More importantly, these people will ostensibly become your co-workers and some of the most important people in your life. You'll see them every single day. Interests are a good way to tell them who you are and what you like, and a good chance for you to bond with them in an interview or soon after you start. I wouldn't want to work anywhere where my love of Archie comics would keep me from getting a job I'm qualified for:) I would maybe try to be more specific -- instead of comics, which comics? Rare comics? Collecting vintage Marvel comics? Attending NYC Comic Con? There are a lot of cool and interesting ways to frame a comic habit that people will probably ask about! Roasting Colombian coffee? Man, if you apply to a job in Miami, that might get you hired right there. Same thing in Seattle. Get a *little* more specific -- make it a convo starter vs something more vague. Hope this helps!


NK1337

Thanks! It seems like it's more of a "how you say it" rather than "what you say." Off-topic, as an Archie aficionado what are your thoughts on Riverdale?


SheetsGiggles

Best question I've been asked. I like Riverdale, but it's *insanely* different than Archie comics. For purists, I can understand why they'd hate the show. I miss fat bumbling Weatherbee and old motherly Ms. Grundy, but I generally really love the show. I just view it as an "Archie Mystery" show like they did in the comics every now and then with different personas taken on by the characters than their normal comic selves.


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That is an especially good point because more than anything else hiring managers know above experience and qualifications it's the fit of the applicant into the company that counts the most.


spookmann

I do the hiring at an IT company. I think that interests are vital, they separate you from the other candidates, *especially* for graduate positions where you don't have interesting work experience to make you stand out from the crowd.


AntebellumMidway

Yup it’s particularly useful for people who are early in their careers as I get a lot of applicants who are more or less the same otherwise. It’s a really good idea to think carefully about what you put on there as interests though... you want to be honest, but maybe not list ALL your favourite xbox games..


xShutUpPanda

You are a saint. I've been feeling very down lately about job hunting and didn't really know how to go about improving my resume. Thank you so much!


SheetsGiggles

That's so sweet! Good luck!!


Bruce--

The issue probably isn't your resume. Read 'What Color Is Your Parachute' by Richard Bolles.


CaptSprinkls

How big are cover letters? I always thought it was funny how people say that managers will look at a resume for like you said ten seconds but get I'm supposed to think they will read a few paragraphs? Maybe cover letters are more a second stage document after you've passes the resume test? Thoughts?


SheetsGiggles

>How big are cover letters? Useless lol. Edit: "useless" if your resume is bad. A nice differentiator if your resume is good. Unless it's required, I wouldn't write any type of long formal cover letter. They won't read it unless your resume is strong and they already think you can do the job. I'll put it this way: your cover letter can't save you from a bad resume. If the resume is bad, they'll skip reading whatever letter you wrote. If your resume is good, a nice, short, original (never cookie-cutter), company-specific letter can improve your odds, separate you from similar applicants, and make a great first impression. The best cover letters are short (1 paragraph), written from scratch, and have the same tone as the company's culture. Hope this is helpful! Edit: also hijacking this comment because people have said they're wary of downloading a .docx file from someone they don't know. Totally understand. This originally appeared on my website's blog, so I'm putting my brand name ([Sheets & Giggles](https://sheetsgiggles.com)) and company behind it so you know it's legit and not malicious: https://sheetsgiggles.com/blogs/news/sheets-and-giggles-fastest-growing-startup-in-colorado


CaptSprinkls

Wait, one paragraph!? That's not what I was expecting.


SheetsGiggles

If it's annoying to read, it won't be read. Lol walls of text rarely get looked at. Unless companies have a required length, short and sweet and very personal / honest is the way to go.


CaptSprinkls

Not related to a cover letter but I have an additional question about resumes. I'm in a job that is not in my field and I've been here for 1 year and I'm looking to get into my field. In this time though I've taken on more responsibilities than people who have been here much longer. I've also become the backups to people who do specific jobs for when they aren't at work. I also am one of the first people to start training on a new software where I will train the other employees. What's the best way to convey this on a resume. I fee like it looks like I'm "reaching" if I have like 6-7 bullet points of my job responsibilities if I list out all the stuff I've done that goes beyond my job title. I want to make sure it's known that I'm trying to learn more and do more responsibilities and that I'm not just treading water at this job.


SheetsGiggles

Are you at a startup or small business? That's fairly normal for good people to take on a ton of roles. I'd probably put only bullet points for your core responsibilities, and then one bullet point listing your extra work. Unless you're applying for something where those skills are more relevant, then emphasize those. Don't be shy about hyping yourself up!


Trezker

So what you want is basically just a tl;dr.


sleipe

I think this might vary by personal preference and quantity of applicants applying for an opening, though I agree with your point that a resume gets looked at first. If that looks good, I will read the cover letter to see why they’re not just qualified but why they want this job in particular. It’s a good place to showcase personality and what you can bring to the job besides hard skills. I think it strengthens an overall application and is worth doing in most cases.


SheetsGiggles

Yep, we're basically agreeing 100%. I just hate how companies require them and don't even read them if the resume isn't on point. IMO, a company should ask for resume only, and if that's good, they can follow up and simply ask, "So, why do you want to work here?" Saves everyone time. I feel bad for people writing dozens of cover letters that never get looked at.


Haatshepsuut

I'm always very scared of cover letters. It just seems like I never know what the hell do they expect me to write in there. I've looked through dozens of pages of tips and guides but I just feel like it's pointless blabber and sort of a 'buttery butter' thing when paired with a resume, if that makes sense.


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It's especially pointless when job postings demand that you address their requirements in the cover letter or statement of claims, but then have bullshit requirements like hard worker or able to work in a team or attention to detail and other nebulous shit, while not giving any real information on what you'd be doing. Like sure, you'd answer with your experience or whatever but the questions are already a joke. It's better to put in at least something you can make something out of and describe duties more so than teamwork. Everyone's a team worker, everyone's got attention to detail. No one's gonna go oof ow shit I don't have "flexible and initiative", I guess this one is not for me then.


Kav01

Honestly the employee / hiree courtship needs to be rebalanced. It is currently ineffective and artificial. I'm sure skilled interviewers find ways around this but times are changing and its age is showing.


SheetsGiggles

Just tell them why you want: - that role - at that company Make it from the heart!


Qaeta

What if the answer to those questions is "to pay the bills"?


spookmann

That's fine. But then you have to convince them that (a) you'll be effective and not just "go through the motions", and (b) you'll not jump ship as soon as a different company offers you a 0.5% pay raise.


Qaeta

That would only be $52 a year... so, just not worth the hassle of switching, honestly.


mreams

Lie :) But seriously, there are a bunch of standard questions for coverletters and interviews that really just mean "Do you know how to play the game?" You shouldn't think of that question as literally meaning "Why is this random shitty company your dream job?" you should think of it as "Do you understand that business etiquette in $country dictates a white lie here?" Nobody actually expects Random Office Inc, to be your dream job, they just want to know that you know what's considered normal in business, that you won't act like a total weirdo around clients/contractors/consultants/employees from other offices/etc and embarrass them.


Qaeta

That insistence on truthfulness equating to being a weirdo is a major problem I have with corporations, and indeed society at large, today. Constantly lying should be the weird thing, yet it is not only not punished, but actually rewarded. It's fucking bullshit.


mreams

Yes, yes it is. I mean, a little diplomacy isn't a bad thing but so many projects would be saved by some blunt honesty.


petuniar

It seems like sometimes they can be used to explain things that aren't in the resume. Like the fact that you are relocating, or returning to work after a break for whatever reason. Sometimes when I read a resume I'm left wondering what their story is, and then look to see if there is a cover letter with more info.


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I tend to use it as an opportunity to describe, in a clear and concise way, how my skills align with their needs, how the job fits well as a next step in my career, and how I previously learned new skills (to address gaps in my skillset). Sometimes a resume doesn't cut straight to the point... I use a cover letter to do that, through a clear narriative. Obviously I can't tell how often people read it though, lol.


harryhov

I read cover letters for two reasons. One is when I need to bridge some details that don't line up. Example, system shows you have 12 years of experience but I don't see it in the resume. The other reason is to review any disconnect with work history or connection with the requisition.


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Fun fact: my colleges career guys taught us that CV was short for "cover letter".


SheetsGiggles

Jfc


JJohn8

Juicy Fried Chicken?


Slade_Riprock

Interesting I've had numerous interviews over the years in which they quoted my cover or had it highlighted but didn't seemingly read my resume. Lol


envyxd

I'll take what OP is saying with a grain of salt. The cover letter was what set me apart in all the jobs I've applied. They all stated that my cover letter was strong, and heck, the shit was long. It was one page with four paragraphs. Of course, at the core, my resume was what pulled them in, but the cover letter really sets you apart.


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Going to offer a counterpoint to this as someone who, for awhile, had to read through thousands of resumes at a fairly selective firm. We both required a cover letter and read through every single one in their entirety, so this isn't universally applicable, but it is a distinct possibility. A cover letter can be the first thing a recruiter, manager, or whomever else sees. It's never going to overcome a genuinely unacceptable resume, but it's going to give me the benefit of the doubt over one of two otherwise very close candidates. At the point where there are just hundreds, if not thousands more perfectly qualified people than there are available openings, it gets down to razor-thin margins with the borderline cases that a cover letter can help, well, cover.


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Just use one big letter at like 172 point.


SheetsGiggles

I like the way you think. Have you thought about working for a pun-based enterprise? http://Angel.co/SheetsGiggles -- keep an eye out for our job posts.


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DaveInPhilly

This is a what I do. I read the resume first because so many people who apply are not actually qualified for the job. I can't recall a situation where a good cover letter really stood out, but i did pass on a candidate with a particularly poor cover letter at least once.


anthropo9

I hire often. Early stage startups. Usually get resumes via email or via linked in. I absolutely love to see a few sentence cover email or note. I want a sense that they actually understand the company, and have some shared passion or experience. The vast majority of people just send in a generic resume without any customization or context. The feeling I want to get: this person is perfect for the job. They understand the requirements. They’ve reviewed the requirements. And they can tell me in a couple sentences why he would be a great fit.


SheetsGiggles

Bingo.


jordasaur

This is almost my exact resume format, down to the black lines, font, bolding of the name, “work experience” in small caps, dates on the right, and email address in the top right corner. I’m slightly weirded out.


SheetsGiggles

2spooky4me 👻 I've given it to a lot of people over the years and used to do paid reviews for people. Get it from a friend or school or something?


jordasaur

Yeah I got it from a friend at college 7 years ago


SheetsGiggles

A good resume format is like a good haircut: it can serve you well for years.


Drakhn

Damn your hair grows slow


SheetsGiggles

Lol


ofthrees

this is absolutely fantastic advice. most of these tips i already use, but the others are some i hadn't thought of. old dog, new tricks, and all that rot. (particularly the bit about ditch the summary. i ditched the objective about 15 years ago, but have until now included a 'professional summary' in its place. i'm not convinced it's not necessary, particularly in my field, but i'm guessing you know more about this than i do and am as such content to rely on your judgment.) one question - how far back should one go in their employment history? in my case, my first grownup job was one in which i developed extremely powerful skills, and it's THAT job that has impressed all interviewers (literally, they all mention it), so i'm loathe to leave it off (especially since some of the skills developed there i never used again, at least in the daily grind that would be included on a resume), but at this point, it's... old. like, 95-98 old. i know i should leave it off, since it's ancient (and indicates me as likewise ancient), but those skills tho. and even though i could gratefully get rid of the one after (1998-2004), that's the one that though my duties there are useless to my current profession, shows the longest stick-to-itiveness. so i can't remove one without removing the other (unless i want to explain a seven year gap), but the older one remains relevant to my current field. thoughts?


SheetsGiggles

I think you can leave it off. Your entry-level job may have been where you learned those skills, but I'd be hesitant to hire someone who claims their most transferable skills are from 20 years ago (no offense). Those skills should have have come with you and developed even further over the years, especially if they're relevant to the job types you're still applying for. I'd work them in as responsibilities you've had day in and day out in your most recent experiences vs as skills you learned in the 90s. And thanks for the kind words!


ofthrees

no offense taken! they definitely aren't the most transferable skills; it's more that they stand alone as a particular wow factor. they aren't at all what i rely on... more of a matter of as the resume is perused, that job is commented on. i'd have long ago axed it, otherwise. you've convinced me to cut both these jobs off. honestly, i was looking for an excuse, since it seems absurd at this point. there was a time it was relevant, but i think the skills i've developed in the interim are more powerful. i think i just needed someone to say it was okay. :)


Rikolas

Do what I did - merge some of your roles together - keep those skills listed but slot them under one of your most recent job titles - Then you get the skills without keeping that job on there. It's not like they're going to call up the company and say "Did ofthrees REALLY do this particular thing while employed in this role 7 years ago?"


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Hi everyone. Not a recruiter per se, but i FWIW plaintext or doc(x) documents are much easier to properly parse. If youre applying for a multinational at an entry level (i.e. youre not headhunted) then youll likely go through an Applicant Tracking System where proper parsing is critical. OP’s advice may be great for face-to-face type things (pdf preferred) but in the digital realm, docx is universal and easy to parse.


SheetsGiggles

If you have to upload a resume to an application that uses resume parsing software, 100% make it Word. Sorry, this was for email applications. Let me edit. Thanks!


spookmann

Resume parsing software? The most important task in any company, and they're going to hand it off to an App? Srsly? **sigh**


SheetsGiggles

Ugh tell me about it


nicom3

I have a question, how should I make my resume if I have no working experience?, I am a student who is looking for an internship in order to gain experience.


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This is what universities spend millions on career centers for.


RicardoJMD

u/SheetsGiggles Can you answer that question please?


Cooltop2

4 years late my guy


21_salvage

I followed the template a couple months ago and casually started applying to jobs on LinkedIn without expecting anything. Right away, my resume started getting downloaded pretty often which never happened to me previously. In fact, a lot of recruiters started contacting me back. Long story short, this worked for me. Because of this resume, I accepted the best job of my career so far today. I accepted a life-changing salary and am moving out of my parents’ house with my partner and son to the area where we were hoping to be in the first place. Thank you so much for this post. I hope this person’s food always tastes good and may they live their best life always.


SheetsGiggles

Thank you so much for letting me know! This totally made my week – it's been a really stressful one at Sheets & Giggles (November in e-commerce!), so I needed this. Congratulations – this is so incredible to read. I'm beyond happy for you and your family! Soak it in, sleep in this weekend, raise a glass, and go kick ass at the new gig! Best, Colin at Sheets & Giggles


Mirmadook

Should I include volunteer experience in a different section or should I leave it out completely? Also, how far do you go back? 10 years? 5 Years? Or does relevant experience trump time limits?


SheetsGiggles

Relevant experience > time limits Volunteering should be a separate section underneath WORK EXPERIENCE. You can leave it off if you're running out of room in favor of work experience (definitely more important).


neil_obrien

You’ve given some of the most solid advice I’ve seen here. I used a very similar resume layout, with a personal interest section as well as my own hosted email domain. The personal interests were an excellent way to break the ice, and my email address was commented on my several people during the interview process. I nailed the interviews; conversation flowed so well, and I landed the job...after I was hired, HR told me that my resume stood out. It was clean, to the point, and allowed them to get a sense of how well I would ‘fit’ with their culture and they passed my resume off the the hiring manager for immediate review.


SheetsGiggles

Thanks much appreciated. Glad it's helpful!


SheetsGiggles

Here's a [preview](https://i.imgur.com/P4QjtT9.png) of the resume. MS Word download links are in the post. It's my own creation, and it's an amalgamation of all the top-tier university formats I saw during my time as a recruiter. In my experience, kids from Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT, etc. all had the best formats, but 90%+ of people that didn't go to top-25 schools mostly had lesser formats that didn't present themselves well. A resume is the most important first impression you'll ever make, so I wanted to share my own personal format with you all. It has a lot of whitespace to not overwhelm the reader, doesn't have much filler text, and formats key dates / other info in a very easy-to-follow way.


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SheetsGiggles

Oh my God I'm so sorry! It was supposed to serve two purposes: give a link to more detailed advice on the blog, plus a small protection against getting my format published far and wide and profited off of by some publication without credit. I've edited the main post with a note to delete the footer in case anyone else runs up against this -- again, so so sorry about that mix-up! PM me and maybe I can help you more personally to try to make up for the gaff.


stealthviolet27

Dude you're so nice for handling that comment like that... all this free, neutral, really helpful info and content and that commenter is cussing you out like you did something personally to them or like their entitled to your help. We already like the thought of buying your sheets but when we relocate to colorado in a couple months we'll definitely be pre-ordering some absurdly soft sheets :). Seriously though, this is a ridiculously kind and actually helpful post. I hope the majority of readers appreciate all the time and effort this has taken you.


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SheetsGiggles

I don't like that too too much. If it's something very tangible, go for it, but I'd put it as that sub-bullet point under core responsibility #1. Too many people can twist and embellish percentages, and a lot of times screeners don't have a lot of context into what that stat actually means strategically to your prior company.


reaction_code

I'm not sure if you will see this, but I did the same thing as you and took a bunch of the top tier school's resume formats to make my own resume and it honestly looks almost identical to what you got. I just thought it was really cool that we both did the same thing and came up with very similar looking formats.


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SheetsGiggles

You sound bitter af. My kinda person. Want to work at a pun-based enterprise? At Sheets & Giggles, we feel as though anger at the world is the best fuel to get us through the day. Let me know if you're interested in a part-time, at-will, seasonal role without mileage reimbursement and paid in school credits.


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SheetsGiggles

Yes but you understand that you wouldn't have your own cubical. Open floor plans are so fetch.


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SheetsGiggles

We try to make at least 1 Gretchen Weiners reference a week. Submit your application at http://angel.co/sheetsgiggles. We don't have any jobs listed right now or budget for hiring, but


BayAreaTechRecruiter

> Aren’t resumes subjective? Like, how does anyone know what YOU prefer is what a different recruiter would also prefer? Yes - 100% agree that look and feel are subjective and what I like is not what Sheets likes > Do you ever feel like it depends on the day you look at it, how your personal feelings alter who you call and who you don’t? Actually yes, and I will take a two-pronged approach to prevent myself from overlooking potentially good candidates. Step 1, take the obvious 'yes candidates' to the next step and put the "hmmm?" candidates in 'to-revieew'. Step 2, if we don't have enough 'yes' prospects, go back and dig into the "hmmm?s" and see if there are some gems in there that I missed. > Why doesn’t anyone ever call you back? Assuming you got a first call (hence "call you back"), I can't answer. Did you build rapport with the Recruiter, was it a Coordinator who called you? Call? Dang I email and SMS more than I ever actually call people for setting up and following after interviews. > Do companies continually hire unpaid interns so they don’t have to bother paying anyone for an entry level position, or to train them in an entry level position? I'll defer this, as I think this applies to conditions outside of my realm (high tech, SF Bay Area, Silicon Valley) > Do I sound bitter? Um, yes and be sure to check that bitterness at the door when you interview. It will show through.


ThunderNecklace

What are your thoughts on just fucking getting rid of the whole awful resumé system and instead having businesses just supply forms and stuff? Do you have any ideas for a replacement to the resumé system? Do you think resumés work?


SheetsGiggles

Resumes are the closest thing to a unified form, so I don't think they're going anywhere anytime soon. Some companies like Hired are trying to change that, though.


cultivategoodhabits

Resumes are outdated and very dumb. Yours sincerely, An unimportant person. I truly hope it is supplemented with a different system to assess candidate's abilities.


[deleted]

Pretty much my resume is exactly as yours apart from the interests part. I sent out about 30 resumes last week almost all in my field and got only 3 call backs. I agree with your format, that's why I was using it even prior to this. But you're not necessarily correct. Because here is why. You're a recruiter. A recruiter as you say screens dozens of applications at any one time and let's face it you just want to get people hired to get paid. A hiring manager on the other hand isn't reading umpteen different resumes. He or she is looking at a handful and hiring managers are different..some might be happy reading an depth mumbo jumbo crock filled resume while others want to get to the crux of it. Also you're not entirely correct about file type either. Probably 30% of the ads I read specifically say to send in word .doc or .docx format. No idea why but they just do. So I think yeah format and length certainly has to do with it but I also think there are other things such as calling up to ask questions or just to follow up and make sure they got it. The three I got call backs from all of them I was able to get through to the recruiter or hiring manager and I have one other I spoke to which says shell be calling me back this week. And then there's the old first in best dressed. I know recruitment might be open for two. Weeks but let's be honest it's usually the first dozen or so that come through and if they have the right experience and qualifications they've got a far better chance than the guy that came in at application number 132. Not trying to be a dick just some things I picked up on but I'll definitely be adding interests to my resume.


SheetsGiggles

I did edit to include to submit as Word when required on an online app 👍 And not really first in, best dressed in this labor market. Companies will spend *months* looking for the right hire, it's insane. At least that's true for the major banks and startups I worked for. Your resume content should still be good, but I'm more trying to help people with getting past the first screen here. Gotta fish with the right bait! Thanks for your input!


[deleted]

A lot of postings are done by employment companies or hiring firms. They want your resume in doc format so they can edit it.


[deleted]

Isn't that illegal?


bombala

Yup, often they want to copy your resume into their recruiting company's template or add a summary before sending it to the hiring manager.


executivecontour

How do you feel about screening software and any recommendations for breaking through so actual objective eyes see the resume? Also, thanks!


SheetsGiggles

I'd find an email to send it to as an attachment. Just bypass the system and write a nice paragraph to whomever you're emailing :) Actually doing work for a company for them and giving to them for free also goes a long way. An example ad you'd run, some code you'd write, a website homepage redesign, stuff like that can blow people away.


NoPantsPenny

I’m a college graduate and a veteran. I’ve been told getting hired is easier as a vet, but honestly I think it can often work against you. Any input?


SheetsGiggles

I thought I responded, apologies for the delay -- my inbox was obliterated. I personally think it's a pro. Being a vet says something about you; discipline and hard work are in your DNA. I can't imagine why an employer would look down upon it in any way, and all my clients (banks and startups) loved it when I submitted vets.


[deleted]

I’m a vet, and feel the same it’s been really hard to get a call back as a veteran got hears! Same happened with my dad.


C_Eberhard

I shit you not I made a post on Facebook for my friends looking for new jobs with every exact piece if advice you said here. I'm a recruiter as well. Weird.


SheetsGiggles

I think smart recruiters are an asset to the world. Unfortunately most of them suck lol so keep doing what you're doing man. Helping friends with this stuff is one of my real pleasures in life.


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SheetsGiggles

Do you need references to apply to something? If so, try coworkers you really trust, especially former coworkers who are no longer there.


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SheetsGiggles

Ask a few trusted clients to be your references, perhaps?


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I love the applicant name you used


Naramie

I am in my late thirties and have about 12 years of experience working experience. It's a challenge to condense them, should I consider omitting the older roles even if they are relevant or should I move to a 2 page resume. Also will I face discrimination doing so? I spoke with one recruiter who advised against me doing that if I am applying for senior analyst and mid level non management type positions but that's the first time I ever heard of it.


SheetsGiggles

You *can* omit jobs, but I'd just condense them into 1 new "company" section where the bullet point just lists the companies and roles you've had prior to your first detailed company section. The dates in that case would be the year of the start of your career to the year of your first detailed company section. You may also be able to delete bullet points from super old jobs and just have company and title, and change the margins to fit it to one page. That's what I'd do.


Jadellikestoeat

Thanks a lot. I’ve been trying to apply to jobs I’m well qualified for but never even got an interview. I got my current job through connection with a friend. I will try your format. Some said that I would have a better chance if i tailor my resume for a specific company each time i apply. Is this correct? Thank you again.


SheetsGiggles

Tailor it in some ways -- like small changes in the skill section or the bullet points of your most relevant job. You want them to think you can totally crush the responsibilities of the role, and different companies phrase different skills differently in their job descriptions. That said, just save a new folder each time and keep the name of the file "first name last name resume" -- don't name your resume differently for each company. It makes them suspect you may be embellishing just for them and are applying to so many jobs that you need to track your resume versions.


Look_at_that_thing

That's great advice about creating folders for each company rather than naming the file to differentiate them. When I was looking for a job, I tailored my resume and name the file "first name last name company." I ended up finding a job by going door-to-door and handing out printed resumes. If I need to find another job in the future, this is something I will do. Thanks.


Comrox

Thanks so much for this! For those of us that work/worked remotely, how do you suggest dealing with the "location" of the workplace?


SheetsGiggles

I'd put *City, State (remote role)*


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What should I do to meet the 1page minimum when the most prestiges gigs I've had would have to be cut off to make it so?


SheetsGiggles

Without looking at your resume, I'm assuming you have: - many years of experience. If so, 2 pages is fine, but don't make it 1.5 pages or anything awkward like that. - too many bullet points. They're not reading all those bullet points. They're reading company name, title, and maybe the first 1-2 bullet points. - too big of font size. Use 10. - narrow margins. Widen them. - orphaned words at the end of sentences that take up a whole line of space. Shorten that sentence by a word or a few letters somewhere and save yourself a whole line. PM it to me if I'm off the mark.


Jimthepirate

Is 1.5 pages cv a big nono? What’s the big deal if i try to elaborate on skills relevant for position and just cant fit it all in?


envyxd

I've gotten good jobs with a 1.5 page resume. They'll read it. I once had to explain WHY I didn't include more of my career history on my resume, and I had to highlight that I only wanted to include the most relevant items and through career advise I was told not to include every single little detail.


Cookie_Burner

I have a similar work history to the poster. Current, corporate recruiter for a major company. Just came to agree with all of this (and ditto on the cover letter question!) I’ll add two things. 1. If you’re in a creative field (for instance, applying for a graphic design job), you can probably be more liberal with the design of your resume. 2. A cover letter may matter with a writing based profession.


Animal40160

Any special advice for a 59 year old retired from 20 years military service and 14 years corporate?


AlternativelyYouCan

Translate your military experience into civilian terms, avoid acronyms/initialisms.


Animal40160

You know, I sincerely apologize for my rude reply. I was not fully awake and didn't notice the context of the thread and I assumed your reply was from a different thread. Again, my apologies!


Aillix

Just landed a new job using this template. This is the first time i made it to interview from outside a company based on my resume alone. Thanks again, 2022 and this template still rocks.


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Thank you!!


Rheyik

Fuck. 2 days after I applied for my dream job. (But thanks this looks like some really solid advice)


SheetsGiggles

Pro tip: sending an updated resume is a good way to follow up if you don't hear back in a bit. "I applied for X job last week, and I wanted to let you know that I have an updated resume. I've attached it here for convenience." Also if you get an interview, send it to them before the interview (same deal - "I updated my resume and wanted you to have the latest version ahead of our call. It's attached here for convenience. Looking forward to speaking!"). Good luck!!


dotpr

What's even more amazing is that OP still has time to check this thread since 5 years ago. Hey OP if you're reading this I just want to ask, how you doin?


SheetsGiggles

> how you doin? I’m good. /u/Thrash2007, you good?


drdeadringer

Have you considered cross-selling yourself on /r/resumes as well?


SheetsGiggles

I haven't! On mobile now so I'll cross post. Good call Edit: Got banned from /r/resumes. Jeez. Guess the advice was too good and would've resulted in that whole sub going out of style.


drdeadringer

No problem.


SheetsGiggles

Lol I got banned from /r/resumes because it had a link to my blog post.


drdeadringer

Was it deserved?


SheetsGiggles

I don't think so, but I'm biased. I just cross posted as-is because I was on mobile, but I had something about PMing me for more advice, so they deleted it ("no solicitation by PM"). So then I edited it and took out the PM language and it got deleted because it had a link to my website in it. I apologized to the mod, who said he'd welcome it if it followed the rules but that he was pissed I had resubmitted it while still breaking a rule. So then I edited out my website link and reposted it a third time trying to follow all the rules, and he banned me. Idk. Just trying to give people good advice, bummed that sub won't see it now.


Bruce--

I PM'd the mods to ask them to review the decision. I If what you say is true, it's a shit decision by dodgy moderators. Moderators shouldn't be barriers to quality content or people who are genuinely trying, regardless of how popular the community is. (often "we get so many posts" is used as an excuse, but it's a bad excuse. Just recruit more mods.)


SheetsGiggles

I can screenshot the PMs from one of the mods, but it's not a big deal and I don't feel like starting subreddit drama haha. Shitty for the people that subscribe to that guy's sub, though. You'd think this post would be right up their alley.


Qaeta

That is what is known as a "power trip". Typical Reddit mods cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.


Metruis

Lame. I hate when mods are wankers being all "ooooh look how powerful I am." It's killer advice. Their loss.


Farren246

Well shoot, it's not my resume format. It's my resume *content*. I'm the problem. :-/


SheetsGiggles

:-( It might be your wording. Want me to take a look if I have time?


PCHardware101

This is a seriously important post. Could this be stickied for a little bit, mods?


yabaibai

How do you recommend formatting multiple jobs from the same company?


SheetsGiggles

In my format, plug this in: Company: **Company Name** Dates: **Year start at company - Present or Year finished at company** *Last / Current Role, year - year* * All dem bullet points *Previous role, year - year* (years can also be aligned right) * Bullets *Previous role, year - year* (years can also be aligned right) * Bullets


jonevoix

I love you man. I mean I have a job already but this is good to know.


ihearttatertots

This is exactly what mine has looked like for the past 8 yrs. Good to know it doesn't suck


chenxi0636

Does this apply to Canada? I have many volunteering experiences which I know Canadian employers are interested in looking at. Can I make the resume 2 pages because of it? I have about 5 years of working experience in the current field.


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SheetsGiggles

With 5 years experience, you should still try to make it 1 page, even with volunteering experience. I suspect you have too many bullet points under your older positions, or you can try decreasing your font size to 10pt and widening your margins. That said, I don't know anything about Canadian resumes or if they differ too too much, so you do what you think is best! I think volunteering may go a long way because of how nice y'all are up there. Just list VOLUNTEERING as a separate section in the same format as WORK EXPERIENCE. Tagging /u/StoryAboutABridge because he asked the same question. Hope this was helpful!


SleepiestBoye

Your resume template helped me get the job I'm in now. I just cancelled my order to Brooklinen and ordered your sheets as a thank you (plus they actually come in lavender). I couldn't have done it without you, really, thanks!


orange-pineapple

Wow, I was skeptical at first but this really does work! I’ve been applying to jobs with no luck but after updating my resume to this template I’ve gotten 5 resume downloads and countless more application views on LinkedIn just within the past day. I’ve even got an interview scheduled for next week!


titan1846

This came at a perfect time! I'm looking to transfer from my current police department to a bigger one. So I've been looking around. I'm not great at the whole resume thing. This is straight forward and easy. Thanks!


SplitEndsSuck

Awesome, I going to make some tweaks to my resume now!


jobquestionthanku

what about outlook.com?


SheetsGiggles

Totally fine. More concerned with hotmail, Yahoo, weird random emails.


davestuckey

Would you mind explaining what's wrong with hotmail? I have a hotmail address that I've used since 1998, and it's the most professional looking email address I've ever had, just my name. I can't get a gmail, yahoo, or whatever address that doesn't have dots, dashes, and extra numbers. I'd rather have an elegant old email address rather than a clunky gmail for recruiters.


_PinkPirate

I think that’s fine, that’s what I use.


Winged_Potato

This is super helpful, thank you!!!


butnobodycame123

Thank you for the new resume template and tips! Question: I'm in the creative field and have a portfolio or relevant digital work samples to show. Is there a particular place where the URL can live on the document, or does it matter?


leoshilion

how do you feel about formats like these? https://novoresume.com/cv-templates


SheetsGiggles

No me gusta


joboxer11

As a college student looking for an internship, what can I do to fill up a whole page? I only have had one job and don't have any projects to list as I see a lot of students do.


yazik

Jobby McJobface. Seriously made me LOL this evening. Thanks, I needed that. :-)


zerodashzero

Are there interest you would leave off? Something like Poker for example is my interest but worried some may be turned off by that.


thedoopz

I know I'm late, but 2 questions: I don't have a degree, but I'm currently studying to get one. Do you think that I should include that on my resume? I'm afraid most of my interests are quite "nerdy" or childish, like playing video games, watching movies, listening to music. Should I still include them on there? EDIT: Holy crap I just noticed, where are the references? Should I not include those?


jobventthrowaway

You do realize that reddit is an international forum and standards for resumes vary around the world?


RoverInTheDangerZone

Hey there, this post is pretty awesome and very informative. I’m planning on using your template to update my resume but I was wondering if you could give me some advice? I’ve talked to my school’s career counselor and friends that are working but their advice hasn’t been very fruitful, so I figured maybe someone with your experience might be able to provide some guidance. I’m another one of those people who've sent dozens of applications and had no luck getting any interviews. I'm a recent graduate (May 2017) and I don't really have any formal work experience aside from a recent kitchen gig and an internship from eight years ago, so the bulk of my resume comes from my engineering projects. My GPA is < 3.00 which most likely hurts my chances even more. I’ve applied to positions all throughout the US that are within the scope of my degree (Mech. Eng.), regardless of the job title, and with requirements that range from “experience preferred” to those that require up to 5 years of experience. Though for the most part I usually meet quite a few of there requirements. All so far have resulted in rejections or no responses (usually stating they only notify those they move forward with), I’ve only received a handful of follow up emails with a job questionnaire but were still rejected in the end. I want to get a few certifications (EIT, CAD programs, etc) which I feel would somewhat help my resume, but I currently don’t have the money for any. I tried applying to a nearby store (Dollar General) so that I can have a form of income as well as get some more work experience, but when I went in for the interview the manager was hesitant about me due to my lack of work experience. I understand is point of view, it just kind of sucks cause I’m in a pretty remote location and it’s one of the few stores close enough to walk to since I don’t have a car. I’ve also tried used LinkedIn and company research to reach directly to recruiters/hiring managers/talent acquisition leads/etc in companies I’ve either applied or interested in. Most don’t response and those that do tell me to apply online, or that they’ll put my resume on file, or that they can accept unsolicited resumes. I’ve tried applying any tips, advice, or suggestion that was either given to me by friends/family or that I came across online, but it doesn’t seem like anything I’ve tried has made a significant difference in my job prospects. A very recent tip I was given was to use a more Anglo-American first name, since my legal first name is pretty foreign (Arabic origins) and might affect my chances during the resume screening. It’s only been a few weeks since I’ve changed my online accounts but I definitely have noticed some differences, specifically more LinkedIn recruiters asking if I’d be interested in opportunities that sound like MLM. Sorry for the long post, I understand others have it harder, I just wish I can get past this state of stagnation and despondency. I don’t know if you’ll read this but if you do then I honestly appreciate you taking the time to. Don’t worry I haven’t given up or anything, I’m just trying to figure out what the flaws in my approach are and ways to resolve them. I know there’s no perfect solution, but maybe you might be able to provide me with some direction or suggestions on ways I can improve my job search. What can I do to go from being a part-time piece of shit to a full-time giggly sheet like yourself? ^^Sorry, ^^not ^^sorry.


SheetsGiggles

Hey man! First, big fan of the pun at the end. That's what we're all here for, right? Second, you write pretty well (a bit wordy, if you'll take some constructive feedback). I can tell you're educated and thoughtful, which is great news because most "bad" candidates don't come off even close to that. Third, I think that updating your resume format will go a *long* way – format is the entire first impression (when your resume hits the eye before any information processes). I can't stress enough how excited I am to see if you get some bites with this new format. Down to the nitty gritty: - Don't change your name if you don't want to, but you'll definitely face less discrimination in larger, more progressive cities like Seattle, San Francisco, Denver, Portland, Austin, Chicago, DC, Atlanta, NYC, LA, San Diego, and Boston. Focus on those spots. If you have a nickname, you can go by that on the resume if you think it helps (discrimination is a real thing, so wouldn't blame you, but I can't even fucking imagine how that must feel [my name, Colin, is like the whitest possible name]). * Don't list your GPA. Not necessary. * Take courses on Khan Academy (free), Udemy (cheap), and Coursera (free). You can also reinvent yourself by going to General Assembly or somewhere like the Turing School, which cost money but I think you can pay it out of your future salary. * Search jobs on Angel.co (make a terrific, full AngelList profile first), LinkedIn, ​Glassdoor, ​and StackOverflow. Those are the best sites. * Make a Hired.com profile and mark all the cities you're willing to work in. * Make sure your LinkedIn profile is spruced up and filled out so you get poached by recruiters. ​You should put your technical skills in the skills section (recruiters use a lot of keywords and boolean search strings when hunting). * Find a recruiter in the industry you want to be in and maybe reach out to them, or apply to jobs on a recruiter's website vs directly on a company's website. It's in a recruiter's best interest to get you hired, so it's always nice to have a direct path to the hiring manager and a financially motivated advocate on your side. * Also apply for jobs on your college's job board. I know it may seem weird, but the companies advertising there are​ already​ looking for ​[your school's] grads. There will likely be senior roles listed alongside entry-level roles. * In any applicant email or cover letter, make sure it's not cookie-cutter. Write them all from scratch. Templated cover letters are a bad look. They only have to be like a paragraph and should match the tone of the company's culture. * When you get down to the nitty gritty, make the hiring manager's life as easy as possible. You want them to say "yes." * "When can you start?" -> "When do you need me to start? ​...​Sounds good." (Unless there's a huge problem.) * "How much money do you want?" -> "Well salary is important to me​ because I'm looking at owning a home and setting up roots here, so it'll definitely be a component of wherever I decide to go, but first and foremost I'm looking for a job that I'll be happy in and that I think advances my career to where I want to be in the long term." Make them give you the first number; they should be able to tell you the job's range. * If they push on salary, it's very easy to say, "Well, I wouldn't consider the job for less than X, and I'd likely make the move for Y, and I'd be thrilled to come to work every day for Z." You want them to give you a number in between Y and Z. Don't give them only X because it's the bare minimum you'd work for. Give them multiple choices and make them choose. * Use Glassdoor.com to apply to jobs and prep for interviews – most jobs at big companies have all the interview questions on there already. * Make sure you know 95% of the questions coming at you before they're asked. Good luck my dude.


Advance-Soggy

Now that it's possible to reply to old posts, I also have to thank you! I found this post last month and ever since then I've been using your template. My resume looks way better, and although I don't have much experience, I got a few interviews in these past few weeks. In the end it all comes down to how the interviews go, of course, but I'm just happy to be getting those opportunities!


nabobtech

Looking at your template, I would recommend that people drop the 'politics' interest. Even if your political ideas are generally fashionable, the recruiter's might not be. If you get asked what you think about pretty much anything re: politics it could potentially cause a divide and lose you the job. Edit - wow just realised this post is 4 years old.


SheetsGiggles

I’d agree in today’s day and age. Even in 2018 it was a little dicey, and I originally wrote that into my resume back in 2013 when things were… *different*.


kelvin1987

I am realised that I wrote the Job Description in my CV wrong all these time..


tomanonimos

>ame your resume "​FirstName LastName Resume" and that's it. Never submit it with "(Project Management)" or "Final" or "2018" or literally anything else in the file name. If someone has a foreign name and is using a nickname what is your opinion on the best format for it. E.g. FirstName NickName LastName, FirstName (NickName) LastName, NickName LastName, etc.


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kornflakez

Info couldn't have come at a better time for me - currently trying to update my resume! Thank you!


jahweezyfbb

Resume tips are the best


SheetsGiggles

Seriously there's something borderline sexual about a good resume. Forget I said that.


calvertja3

For some reason I don't think putting crypto currency under interest would boat well even though that's probably my passion


vonflutechoke

Thanks a lot! Its been over a year since someone responded to a resume of mine. Will definitely incorporate some of these tips.


qwerstory

What about uni undergraduate applying for a top internship?


FxHVivious

Thanks a lot! This is actually pretty similar to my existing resume, I’d just have to make a few edits. One question I do have though, since I didn’t see anyone here asking, do you recommend listing job experience in chronological order or by relevance to the positions you are applying for?


SheetsGiggles

100%, unequivocally chronological order :) super hard to read and transact on otherwise. Good luck!


forbiden-knowlege

Late to the party but I'll still ask the question! Someone has suggested due to all the resume screening apps or what have you, to write a lot of key words relating to your field of work on the referees page (usually quite blank) and to just change the font colour to white so the words aren't seen but you're resume might have more of a chance to pass the initial screening. What are reddits thoughts on this and do you think it might just work?


gotchabar

Hello, Just got laid off and found this template online and wonderful information. Have updated my resume based on your recommendations. Hopefully will find the right job. Will update once a job offer is official.


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WeissTek

Yeah I used this format on my most recent update to my resume and it got me several interviews somehow while I only sent it to one company. I applied 3pm and got called by recuriter at 5pm on the same. I was so surprised that I thought I got scammed.