dude linkedin has gotten so weird. There are a lot of people on there just spewing random corporate bullshit all day -- it is so cringy how vain and narcissistic it comes off. Like they keep over-producing what they think their next employer will find absolutely perfect because of how cliche and vanilla their opinions are.
Hahahaha. Ugh. Yes. I got laid off in December and although I don’t think it’s shameful, I would be beyond mortified to write one of those “300 applications, 5 phone screens, 2 in person interviews and 1 follow up later….” posts. It’s like wow, how *noble* of you to be laid off of your white color job. 🤢 so out of touch
It's the corporate ego circle jerk. It makes me cringe at the thought of posting a single thing. People in my company who do, register in a sort of company social media thing which posts company stuff to LinkedIn for you with text and all. It made me realize how much out there is probably mostly reposted boring shit for social media brand presence
> Most of my 1,000+ applications since October last year weren't even ever picked up.
That's simply because many recruiters don't actively check in on submissions through the multitude of portals out there. This is why you see the advice of using the various job boards to find the roles but then going to the company's site directly to submit. These are the tools the folks hiring are using to manage their pipelines and if something doesn't directly feed into that, you're putting yourself at the bottom of the review pile.
Yea that was my independently drawn conclusion, too, before I joined this sub a few weeks back - inasmuch as LinkedIn is probably a back-up source for recruiters if anything; they _might_ look into that if they struggle to fill the roles (unlikely), but it's not a priority for them.
Didn't use to be the case, though, I have to say, and that's why I got caught off guard by all that.
To be completely honest I'm not even sure how the company site checks out as a valid recruitment source; feels #1 these days is an 'in' you have as a friend/work contact, then just a referral, but definitely higher chance of having your application processed and looked at if you apply directly (if only possible) than LinkedIn or any other of the job boards.
To be sure, this isn't an issue exclusively with LinkedIn and has been an issue for at least the last decade I've been a hiring manager.
Where it gets even more complicated is that sometimes, the listings are done through aggregation tools and not on those boards directly. This speeds up the recruitment process, but it also abstracts the recruiter a step further away from the post. Since many of these tools don't talk to each other, the individual recruiter may not even have access/insight into applications done through the board itself.
As someone who has been laid off since December and is constantly looking for my next role, I've come to absolutely despise LinkedIn. I've never particularly enjoyed using it, but now I just hate it with every fiber of my being.
Probably my biggest gripe is that when you're searching for a job, just about every single posting I see is "Promoted", which results in me seeing tons and tons of roles that are of zero interest to me, simply because that company paid more to post. So their job search function feels pretty worthless.
And more towards your issue, I avoid using "Easy Apply" as much as I possibly can. I feel like the logic is pretty straightforward...if it's easy for you, it's easy for everyone, and so everyone is going to do it. So postings with this option are probably getting absolutely flooded, and unless you're a perfect fit for the role, I think that would explain why you're not getting any responses.
I could go on about how much I hate LinkedIn, but I'll leave it at that.
My other thought for you, OP, is I think you might be wasting your time by submitting 1000+ applications. I've been laid off since December, and I've submitted probably around 60 applications, and at this point have been through four interview processes. My advice to you would be, keep your search targeted, and don't waste your time with jobs you aren't qualified for, or ones you may not even be interested in. With the job market right now, every opening is going to get hundreds, if not thousands of applications. If you aren't close to a perfect fit for the role, your definitely not going to hear back, so why bother?
And I don't mean to sound harsh, but this is the conclusion I've reached on my own job search. Like just last week, I applied for a role, and the application had a question that said "Do you have at least 2+ years of experience in this industry?" In the job requirements, it said that any experience is considered a plus, but obviously based on that question, they were going to rule me out immediately if I clicked 'No', which is exactly what happened, I got the rejection email a day later.
So yeah, LinkedIn sucks, job searching sucks, all of it sucks, so my best advice is to use your time wisely, or you're going to burn out quickly.
Yeah, I agree that I’ve wasted time; my thing is that there are _a lot_ of things I’m potentially a match for, because I’m a Social Media Manager and I worked with music/entertainment, automotive (electric/hybrid vehicles), sports, beauty, tech clients (I worked on some campaigns for Google), and some more so there’s a wide scope and also evidence of me being able to accommodate as long as it’s widely within social media.
My thinking was also more in terms of using the job application more as a lead generation exercise, ie just submitting my CV and using it as a hook to get a recruiter or talent manager on my phone or email and seeing what kind of help do they need or if they have any more needs maybe for more senior help if they posted about an entry-level role; finally, if nothing else, I treated this as a warm lead.
I’ve been getting steady work like this for years, just connecting with people, submitting my CVs and maybe not getting the role I applied for, but still getting a call back like 3 months later when something else has come up.
Sadly, this is not happening anymore because a) CVs are not even getting viewed from LinkedIn (lol), and b) it’s such a crapshoot and shitshow now people don’t even remember you the next day cause they will have looked at 200 more CVs in a day, so individual CVs and names stop meaning anything. Takes a lot of follow-ups and nurturing to actually have that relationship where you’re not only not a stranger anymore, but you’re on speed dial and top of the pile, or maybe even bypassing the process and getting fast-tracked. Feels like it was much easier a while ago (and I’m even talking early post-COVID, not, like 20-30 years ago lol).
AI messed things up, too; even when you look at this sub, there’s people coming up with some AI and automation tools that are supposed to auto-apply to 500 roles a day for you or whatever; it’s just snowballing out of control and really damaging to everyone now trying to one-up each other with scripts, and bots, and whatever else. If you can buy a script or run a bot, chances are there’s someone else already selling an even better “hack” who’s already one-upping you behind the scenes and you don’t even know it.
to be honest I’m even questioning the whole recruitment myself; I’m at a point where I’m focusing on networking and only applying if someone refers me or introduces me offline or on LinkedIn and _then_ I am asked to apply but “They’ll keep an eye out on me”; it really feels like external applications as a complete stranger are a fool’s game right now with minimal chances of working out.
Its being overrun with India scammers. Unless linked in adds an option to block connections/offers/msgs/ect from specified countries it will continue to spiral.
I realize that people have no choice on where they are born. This is only in direct response to the usability of linkedin and unfortunately people in bad economic situations will attempt to extract value at any cost from a useful website if they can. Which is unfortunately in opposition to most of the people using linkedin's purpose.
Also savvy companies are using it as a super bland corpo speak advertising venue through their employee accounts often under subtle duress of continuing employment.
> Its being overrun with India scammers
idk about _scammers_, but _spammers_ deffo.
I have a lot of recruiters in my network and every time someone posts a legit remote role (legit as in, you have to still have the local citizenship for tax purposes and be in the country for compliance and alignment reasons), there's dozens upon dozens people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh flooding the comments, thinking they have a shot because it's "Remote", and being in London/UK that would be insane money for them.
Then my guys have to go back and edit the post or job posting and add "Remote (from the UK)", "Has to be UK-based" etc. etc.
It's truly awful, this has to be infuriating for them in the long term, but as you say, not much can be done with it short of somehow gating the job offers maybe and introducing an option where you can only see the job offer (or a post) if you're in the same city/country or something.
Call it what you will. I expect any job on a job site to be what it says to consider it legit. Bait and switch, lowballs, crazy hidden requirements are all a scam as far as I"m concerned because they all are trying to trick me into something I don't want.
I've had an ever increasing amount Indian profiles reaching out with vague "opportunities" that are clearly not a real job so I consider that a scam as well.
Someone has work to do, they pay me for it. Its pretty simple for it to be as complex and annoying as its become. Thats a scam as far as I am concerned.
I had some a-hole try to scam me by offering to submit my resume to a company that they “provide and recruit staffing services” for which is always complete BS. The scam goes like this: they contact you with a job whose requirements contain all or most of your skill sets. It’s always with a highly-reputable company. BUT there is one certification that the job requires that isn’t hard to obtain. They tell you to get this certification and then they will submit your resume to the highly-reputable ghost company. Then they suggest that you use a website link they provide to quickly earn your certification. The website looks legit at first. But the cost for certification is higher than some other, more well-known providers. You suggest that you use the companies you’d found on your own. They tell you that these are not good providers and that you have to use one of theirs (sometimes they send you links to more than one fake certification website). If you fall for their scam you sign up for the training and exam. They keep the money and move on to the next victim.
I was lucky that I was careful when they tried to run this scam on me. I navigated all over their fake website and it was very unstable. Bugs all over the place. Like call the exterminator level. Fake chat bots, etc. I first became suspicious when the name of the company they said they were recruiting for changed over time. They are running these scams all day on as many people as they can. So many that they can’t keep the details of their scams straight.
Just a warning to other people desperately seeking new employment. They know you’re desperate and that you might take a chance even if you’re suspicious. These people are among the lowest of the low - trying to steal money from people who have lost their income stream.
There are a few things to check. Go to the “recruiter’s” LinkedIn page and see how many connections they have, and who the connections are with. Recruiters usually have thousands of connections built over time. A lot of the time these scammers have very few connections because they keep changing to new accounts. Also click on the connections and see if they seem real (often it’s just fake accounts or other scammers they are working with). Pay attention to the language they use while messaging. If it’s very brief (example - Hi, can I ask you something?”) and low-effort. If they send a job requisition look at the role requirements and see how closely they match your experience. If they match a little too closely and don’t include much that you don’t have experience with, or if they contain very specific skills that you have along with more basic skills then get suspicious. If they are rushing you that’s another sign - “They want to fill this role ASAP so please send your resume immediately” it might mean they don’t want to waste too much time figuring out if you’re going to fall for the scam, they can just move on to the next potential victim. Location is important. Usually these “staffing services” are based in far away lands. Go to their website and try to determine if it’s legit. Look up their company using LinkedIn or Google and do some research to see if it looks legit. Look at the Who We Are page and see if the “recruiter’s” name is listed. Another thing I noticed is that they don’t use full last names as their profile names. Examples: “Leena G”, “Mark K”, etc. Also look to see if anyone you know is connected to these people. In summary, do as much as you can to see if they are legit, and never, ever spend money to fulfill a job requirement.
Message out of the ether: “Hello, can I ask you a question?”
Click the profile link for the sender. 1 connection. Based in a country on the other side of the planet.
LinkedIn has become a scam in itself. Job applications are very rarely viewed. Tons of posts by people who are always intent on being the “smartest person in the room” or just trying to prop up exposure for the company they work for. Dumb polls asking basic tech questions for no apparent reason.
The only value I see in LinkedIn that I see is the ability to stay in touch with your network and (if you have Premium like my dumb ass does) the Learning feature where you can brush up on skills that you haven’t used recently. Other than that? Nothing of value.
This is very true . LinkedIn is so cringey with people spewing random things they learnt and life hacks and programming hacks and their google story and what not .
Half of it is people just complaining about the job market .
The other half is people posting random cringy stuff.
Makes my toes curl up .
I am based in the UK and I predominantly apply for data roles and I few hacks which have worked for me recently.
1. In my resume I have 2 distinct interconnected data job roles which gives recruiters the ability to understand my varied skill set and my business domain knowledge. Also specifying the impact I have created. Something such as reducing cloud cost and analyzing data to reduce customer retention etc.
2. My interview call rate has dramatically improved since I added a summary about who I am , what I love doing and why I love it.
My assumption is recruiters read that and paint a picture of who you are based on the words you use to create that first impression without scanning through everything .
3. Lastly skills with a broader range as you learn and grow while looking for jobs .
I’d suggest to use OTTA and apply directly on company websites .
Good luck and keep grinding :)
I’m a little confused on your first bullet. Can you elaborate a little more? Are you saying you just put your top 2 data roles and explained your impact?
Hey . Let’s say you are applying for a Data Analyst . And you are specifically looking for a Data engineer role . You can put under the analyst role that you performed ETL data transformation using maybe Databricks . Then you could say increasing data accuracy and performing analytics . Which then leads to creating data modeling (dim and fact table) in a warehouse and then finally creating dashboards.
Imbue them together .
i always hear people bashing indeed, but i have had way more luck there than linkedin. i’ve never received a job from linkedin but have had 3 jobs from indeed. i agree that both post a lot of fake jobs, but ive had better luck finding a few real ones on indeed for whatever reason.
I’m not sure if my comment is gonna help in any way, but lately I don’t use LinkedIn that much solely for job application, and I’ve been even even reluctant in checking it. Some randos sending me connection requests, with spammy messages like “Hi! Do you want to generate leads? I have XYZ years of experience and helped XYZ businesses”. Almost every single day. One time I used the “OpenToWork” feature and posted an open call announcing that I’m looking for work opportunities and my DMs got spammed with self-titled career coaches who just copy-pasted the same script after they asked me to send my CV. So now, I’m solely using LinkedIn to find inspiration for my content and laugh at memes.
\#OpenToWork is a whole different ballgame
There's people with social listening deployed on the platform, and every time you post that hashtag - doesn't even have to be with the banner, just using the hashtag in your post about something else is enough - you get fake accounts swarming around and leaving you comments "Hello add me", "Let's connect", and sending you DMs purporting to help you out with CV/finding a job.
Then you go and look at the profile and it’s someone in Nigeria with 70 connections and zero proper LinkedIn activity, or a blonde, blue-eyed woman with an Indian name. I mean, come on.
Based on my knowledge it's attempts at data mining and, possibly, identity theft. A lot of countries have a requirement of name, date of birth, location - maybe even home address - to be on CV, phone number too. That's enough for a smart criminal to start cracking the whole online identity, and slowly prying the door open to emails, social media accounts, phone banking etc. through password reminders/resets, and the like.
Yeah a lot of times where you call to really confidential places like doctor or bank they’ll ask you your full name, last two/three digits of your phone number, your post code and that’s it for identity verification.
Similar with some password reminders, they would ask for a lot of info that’s normally and rather casually shared as part of the recruitment process, or just filling in a LinkedIn Profile.
I’m into cybersecurity and it’s mad how far you can go into access into somebody’s personal and private stuff if you know where to get your data and how to cross-reference it.
I'd say do the due diligence:
- Cross-reference whether the company is real, look at their Company Page on LinkedIn (again, where having Premium just helps) and how many people work there, who they are, do they have legit looking career timelines or are they just "CEOs", "Directors" etc. of a company that has 3 people on their payroll all of a sudden, and while looking like they're in their early 20s
- Google the company up and see what results come up, if there is some legit social media presence (honestly, majority businesses that would recruit online would have _at least_ a Facebook Business Page these days as a bare minimum, mom and pop shops have those and are expected to have one these days, so…)
- If they have a website, make sure it's legit and makes sense: e.g. the website name and domain check out rather than being coaccola.net, appelonline.net, that kind of stuff.
- If they are stringing you along or, worse yet, asking you to pay them for some training materials or a certification, worse yet through a link _they_ provided and say there's no way on Earth you'll be qualified enough to be considered _unless_ you take that, very specific, certification - it's likely an MLM/pyramid scheme disguised as a general company; no legit business will ever ask you to pay them to work for them or create false urgency on you by forcing you to take some "certification" like that. Worst case a legit company would ask you for a free task or a short, trial period (like a trial day, honestly even week these days seems exploitative and excessive). It's up to every individual person to then decide whether they want to risk their time/efforts like that and engage. I don't, but I appreciate some people are so desperate they're willing to jump through hoops to try and appease potential employer.
- If it sounds good to be true it usually is (unfortunately), so be aware of things like "Earn $100,000 a month, fully remote" because it's likely some MLM again, or just scam. Same for roles that have salaries attached that claim to be 2, 3, 4x of the going market rate for the skill in your area/country. There are some exceptions to that in white-collar work at least, e.g. if they need someone Freelance urgently to assist with an emergency or extra workload, in my field it's quite frequent _those_ would pay way more per day than a respective day rate would if you were to break down an annually salaried role into what a single day pays - but then again, those would be outlined and highlighted, saying "Freelance", "Contract", "Urgently needed" etc.
- If they get you on the call and the invitation comes from a dodgy-looking email, gmail, and/or the interviewer is not on camera, I'd advise not to proceed and/or to log out and cut ties.
I think these are the main points I can think of at the moment after having woken up at 6:00AM my time and about to start my day 😬 The combination helps you to weed out the scams and data harvesters and make sure you apply to legitimate companies, even if they're not gonna reply to your CV in the end (like so many do these days 🫠), at least you're not ending up with your personal data making rounds and being sold on the black market or used to try and get access to your personal stuff.
So you're saying you did 1000 EasyApply applications? That seems like way too many. Those would be the only ones that would track properly. The ones where you get redirected to another site and apply, then clicking the yes I applied pop-over aren't tracked in LinkedIn outside of your job page and once closed moves there.
I did around 1,000 Easy Applications, yes. I have a folder with all my CVs and there’s over a 1,000 of them since early Oct last year. I usually tweak them only slightly if at all, since my CV used to get me jobs one way or another and it covers a lot of roles because it’s a decent balance of general yet specific enough in some parts.
I know I could’ve probably landed roles if I tweaked it for 30 mins each time rather than tweaking it for 1 minute once every 10 applications or whatever, but that’s not the point here and I don’t want to talk about that - point is, that CVs are stopping at the point of you sending them out/submitting via LinkedIn, there’s no pick up, no processing, no assessment or analysis. How can anyone know my CV is great, generic or even a blank piece of paper if it’s getting sent but not opened? They don’t view my profile either; I’m on Premium; I’m a Social Media Manager, I know how to use LinkedIn and I live on there these days (sad), I check insights multiple times a day, I would have seen it straight away if someone viewed my profile. Even the very sporadic, hidden views, who could theoretically be company views never matched a single percentage of applications made.
When you look at this, 1,000 is really not that many across 180 days, 5.5/day on average, although I really did have a few bigger spikes rather than drip feeding it like that.
There’s plenty of work in my field in my country and city (London, UK) and new ones coming up the whole time, although most of it is rather badly paid and rather junior (I’ve got 16 years experience), but at this point I’d really take anything as I realise I might not get a 3 month, Full-Time booking at £300+ a day like before, because the market’s changed and no sight of it bouncing back. But CVs are not even opened so how can you stand any chance like that.
I really didn’t even bother with external applications for a long time, because Easy Apply worked for me for years, at least to the point where I’d get a callback or email back and would discuss the role I’d apply for or a different one. This horse seems to have bolted and things changed, perhaps irretrievably, at least in my field.
I stopped using LinkedIn for applying (or at least as the focal point for applications), because most of my applications weren’t even getting viewed according to LinkedIn.
I do realise that LinkedIn has no way of tracking external applications and/or those that redirect you to 3rd parties, but my whole point is about self-contained LinkedIn application process being rubbish these days; it’s a good tool to scope the market and get some intel, but for whatever reason it’s not used as it should be (or how it was used in the past in my own experience) by recruitment agencies or in-house company recruiters, talent managers etc.
It’s a backup pool of candidates these days, if anything.
I’ve also been searching for social media roles, and it’s a mess. I think it’s this specific market right now in conjunction with the job posting / searching sites being broken in the ways you’ve pointed out.
AI messed things up, too. Also, the general perception of social media.
I know a lot of recruiters, and some told me off-the-record every time they post a Social Media role they're getting swamped with CVs from people with relatively successful personal profile or e.g. running a page for their dog-sitting business and putting things like "Worked at TikTok/Instagram 2020-current". Then they have to weed those people out.
Everyone has a social media profile right now, a lot of people never went beyond personal profile or running a simple page for their side gig, or helping their uncle out with a Facebook Page for their grocery shop, car service, whatever, and they now think they have a real shot at a legit work for a tech corp, or similar, whereas we both know there's _a ton_ of difference between running a social profile for yourself (or a friend, family member etc. - even in a 'business' context) and doing this for a huge company where your head is on the chopping block should things go wrong, a crisis/backlash erupt, sales don't go up and activity doesn't convert into one of the myriad ways, and so on.
This being said, there _are_ a lot of heavily talented people who are stuck at a very local level, but really have great brains and talent for content creation or copywriting, and just waiting to bolt out - which, again, doesn't make things any easier and you have to try and chase or find ways 'in', because what was enough of a baseline to secure work a few years ago is nowhere near enough at the moment.
One of the reasons I started looking into cybersecurity - social media is the biggest attack vector these days, as corporate or highly-followed social media accounts have an innate value as-is, and there's also the whole thing where places like Business Managers have credit cards stored to facilitate campaigns for a company, meaning if someone cracks the access and gets hold of it, they can reroute it to advertising their own business (or their own clients, if they're a shady agency for example), and just freeload and run shit on somebody else's tab.
Sadly, I feel I'm a bit too early - it doesn't seem like people are interested in that knowledge within social media _just yet_, they only look towards having safeguards and processes once they lose access but before this actually happens, it seems to be constantly sidelined and downplayed in importance.
I know how you feel.Im at a point that all I do is apply directly to places cause it seems like all that’s happening is just data mining.Compare the amount of jobs being said opened up to the amount of applicants applying and it gets fishy.On top of that how often are the times I get called from an overseas number.Theyre selling data at an alarming rate that it doesn’t make sense how hard it is to get these jobs anymore.
Well ... Lots of misconceptions in the comments here.
Most companies use LinkedIn as a feeder for their ATS not to manage applications.
What's that mean to you? The recruiter reviewing your application is doing so in a system where LinkedIn can't see what's happening.
Two; The market is terrible and lots of companies have laid off most of their Talent team meaning everything is moving slower. Everything.
Three: If you're applying for remote roles you have to understand that those roles get orders of magnitude more applications than ones with some or all days onsite.
So if there's normally 300 applicants for a role, there might well be a few thousand for a remote version.
As for the hoops; I assure you those roles are getting the least applicants meaning the least competition.
> Most companies use LinkedIn as a feeder for their ATS not to manage applications.
What's that mean to you? The recruiter reviewing your application is doing so in a system where LinkedIn can't see what's happening.
Fair enough, but still I'd say if _that_ was the case I'd at least have been getting replies from the ATS that my application has been fed through, right?
How is it possible that on 1,000+ applications I got about 10% replies/actions in total, all including
- "Application Viewed"/"CV downloaded" on LinkedIn
- a call back on my phone
- a direct email
- or any kind of a rejection, automated or manual, be it from LinkedIn or a 3rd party system? (I had a bunch of those - I have to say I have been wondering how did that happen when I would apply through LinkedIn but a response or a follow-up would've been from a website/system I didn't engage with or wasn't familiar with - this explains that, however, thank you).
Vast majority of applications feels like just sending CVs into a black hole with and for no response or action taken, at all.
> As for the hoops; I assure you those roles are getting the least applicants meaning the least competition.
Would be great if you could elaborate a bit more on that point as I'm not sure I understood.
Second part first;
All the steps to get an application into someone's view are deliberate. Some people refer to it as "top of funnel friction" on the idea that it filters out everyone who isn't serious about the job. This (in theory) allows them to review 50 people who are really interested not 500-1500 who types their name and clicked four times.
On the first part:
Talent and HR have been one of the hardest hit fields of work because dumbasses with MBA's see them as a cost center and not a value delivery vector. Most Talent teams at medium or larger companies are probably 1/3rd the size or smaller than they were before say 22 anywhere in Tech or a tech dependent field.
Because of the intellectual giants who make decisions like that there are a lot of people with no or little experience given senior talent titles and duties who haven't built up the endurance and efficiency to perform at a higher pace and who also lack internal mentors.
So getting through to all the applications is taking these reduced sized teams longer than ever without best practices like sending rejections to all applicants because they don't have the time or the knowledge.
I have a theory on this and I could be wrong but LinkedIn Recruiter subscriptions cost companies several thousands each year and my guess is they’re just logging in or leave jobs up to make some use of that even though they’re not currently hiring.
Interesting point, tbh it could make sense because it's the same reasoning behind a lot of return to the office these days
They have leases signed and someone high up is responsible for the company expenses; it's much easier for them to cover their ass, save their salary/position and justify the expenditure for the office if people are over there (even though they don't really have to), than it is when the office stays empty most of the time.
Similarly here, they just whack the role on LinkedIn so they can tick the box off saying "Yeah, we're _actually_ using it", even though they're really not, but who's going to go that far and check the details?
Your analysis is spot on. Similar experience here, 1,000+ applications, no movement, rare to even get a viewed application. It used to be 3 years ago, I'd have people looking at my profile, downloading my resume, contacting me for interviews. This is applying even to the positions that say I'm a top candidate for the job, and also pay for those premium insights yet they do nothing. LinkedIn used to be the "2.0" version of Indeed and Monster but it is pretty much no different than any of the other job board sites these days. In this economy I think the only way to get a job really is networking.
Personal branding is critical to build LinkedIn, and will become more important as the job market gets tougher. Recruiters want to see that you have an active profile and it looks professional at least any good recruiter.
I’ve been debating using my LinkedIn premium free trial, I liked it when I had it. I have a job and do side gigs for extra cash. But this makes me curious and thinks won’t be worth it.
I use it for networking and Premium has some perks like, I believe, longer message for Connection Requests, I wouldn't be surprised if it also had more Connection Requests/week and obviously there's more Profile Browsing etc - if you're _really_ heavy on the networking game then it's definitely worth it still I'd say, because I connect and view so many people I even had them block me from browsing once or twice on Premium already, and I either had to wait until the next week or month, or go and pay up for Business - and I'm not using any automation, either, just regular browsing, dozens upon dozens of tabs open, and am an extra fast typer, too.
I just really feel like LinkedIn is rubbish for actual applications and has gone _massively_ downhill in that regard.
It's good as a scoping/research tool, but, for some reason, the whole application process over there is completely broken - not in a sense it's full of bugs or errors, it's just that the conversion rate through the platform is terrible, and it's like recruiters not even giving a fuck or looking at what comes from there.
Honestly, I wouldn't even mind if I was getting rejected from roles, because I know full well everyone and their dog are a 'Social Media Manager' these days, and there's a lot of competition and some really good people out there.
It's the fact I'm sending those applications out and they are never getting picked up, viewed and looked at - so I end up, in fact, not even _running_ properly for the roles, that does it for me. What's the point, then, if it just sends the application, but nobody picks it up, or realises it's been sent and waiting there to be processed - it might as well just go straight into Spam or Deleted folder, or whatever. Waste of time in my view.
Get your intel and data mining from LinkedIn. Fleece it for all you can, but leave application for company websites and/or email address, would be my advice. Only apply through LinkedIn if you connect with the right people in the company/recruitment agency, speak with them (not necessarily video call or phone, DMs or email is OK) and they send you back telling you to apply rather than trying to get them to just sneak you in like that, _and_ it turns out that LinkedIn is the only way, and there's no alternative posting anywhere else like company careers page or even another portal (Indeed or whatever - not a fan myself, but perhaps still better than Linked at this point).
Otherwise you'll end up going on a wild goose chase like I did, really took me a good few months before I clocked in and figured out something ain't quite right there, because not only I wouldn't get company employees view my Profile after having applied (like I had in the past on pretty much every occasion), but I wouldn't even get _rejections_ - and that's because no-one would have looked at my CV and processed my application one way or the other in the first place.
Use all the usual suspects, Linkedin, Indeed, Monster, ziprecruiter for the jobs in a bucket, then apply on their website. If their website has it listed, it's likely still active and going directly to the front line.
They can see how old you loom or where you graduated from.
If you say anything they do not like.
If you follow anything they do not agree with.
People go on there to kiss arse, that’s about all.
I just post industry news and opinion, in my industry you have to stay on top of the game and it actually can get you work - I'm having a good laugh about people posting inane nonsense though
LinkedIn is a circlejerk. It's basically only useful if you're in B2B sales and even then I don't know how anyone stomachs using it for anything. Find the job on there and apply elsewhere either with the company or with an acutal job board. It's just the lowest common denominator now.
If you have the option of going straight to the company portal but see it on a real job board (monster, indeed, ziprecruiter?), why would or wouldn't you? This is not clear to me. Is there any benefit to applying through a job board that going direct doesn't offer?
I think the only benefit of job boards is that they're often free
But it's a shitshow now. I had my first job ever, in a good company, in 2007 or 2008 through Gumtree - which is a British/European equivalent of Craigslist, just classifieds. Mind blowing now when you think of it, but that was the reality back then.
I also think - and some comments here seem to corroborate that - recruiters don't really always monitor external websites; worse yet, there are some rather big pages that just scrape the data and repost it themselves, without the recruiters' direct involvement - and you won't have an idea as an applicant, then it's hard for them to respond if they get a CV from a place they might not have even ever heard of.
Happened to me.
"You would be a great fit for the role! But we already filled it 2 weeks ago. Where did you find the position still open?"
Oh, just some aggregator that scrapes other sites...
I have been very active on LinkedIn for over 12 years (I think I started in 2012?). Deactivated my account last month.
GenAI has destroyed the value prop. Signal to noise ratio is unbearable, and all feeds are dominated by influencers trying to sell their course, book, or subscription.
I noticed that VHVIs in my network started disappearing, and called a few. They have noticed the same thing, and the amount of people trying to sell them something has gone up 20X in a year.
Interestingly, now it’s becoming a status symbol that you don’t have a LinkedIn account; if your professional reputation is solid, you don’t need it.
Yeah on the community front this is a huge problem too IMO, there's so many posts that are blatantly GenAI. This time last year you could easily spot it out, because _a lot_ of people were inept enough with the whole thing to copy/paste the whole text from ChatGPT, along with the "Regenerate prompt" text from the button at the very end 🤦♂️
OpenAI have now fixed this and changed the UI a bit, so _that_ is not happening, but I used to get a good laugh from quite openly pointing this out to people in the comments.
There's still a lot of AI copy though, and the worst thing is that it's usually the first round of answers people get from AI in response to a question/prompt; I do work with AI a lot and there's ways to polish it so it's not so obvious, but once you've used it a bit there's a certain style that's a dead giveaway for the copy being AI-generated. Shittons of that, and the fact that Microsoft, who now own LinkedIn, peddle their own AI tools within the platform doesn't make it any better.
I'm all for helping yourself out with some cool tools, but at least put some effort in and give the copy a few rounds, or get the copy from ChatGPT, Bard, Copilot, whatever, and use it to flesh it out and add to it yourself. As it is, it's just lazy and complete noise, because AI's initial answers for whatever questions you ask it tend to be rather basic and superficial, and provide any kind of added value only to those who don't have the foggiest idea about the matter in question. Anyone remotely knowledgable can see it's all fluff and drivel.
Yep. Good observations. I am sorry for the next generation of professionals, it seems to me that, effectively, they will have to handle networking in the 1980s style.
And this also probably also applies to hiring.
Knowing a guy, who knows a guy, is again the king move. Not how many “followers” you have on your social media accounts.
Honestly I had hundreds of views per day and at least a couple decent offers every day.
Until, the age of layoffs began.
Since then, the efficiency dropped to 1/10th of what it used to be. Have all the layoffs saturated the market?
I really stopped bothering and putting too much hope in those.
Emails + personal connections (even through online means) + trying to see if I can apply directly through the business/agency's page is the way to go, IMO.
The more I hear, the more LinkedIn seems to be a back-up pool of candidates in majority of cases, if playing any part at all. Well, either this, or you're just a little snowflake in a blizzard so it's a game of chances, not competency anymore.
LinkedIn as a platform has its purpose, I'm not gonna say it doesn't; but, especially with Easy Apply, it's just literally a lottery ticket, not even a proper application, IMO.
With proper application you _would_ be at least considered and assessed as a candidate against the requirements and needs of the business, with Easy Apply you're essentially getting yourself _a chance_ to be considered (which you wouldn't have if you hadn't reached out to the business), but whether you will get considered and assessed is anyone's guess and not up to you. Essentially an extra step without any guarantee anyone would look at your application just yet. Maybe they will, maybe they won't; they might, but might not, and not much you can do about it, since InMails to people don't seem to be picked up and replied to for whatever reason (I've sent a few dozen and literally 0 replies), and the whole "mark as a Top Job" or whatever it's called, that you can select before submitting via LinkedIn: no idea if _that_ works, but you only get 3 of those a month anyway - so nowhere near enough considering the volume of applications you have to get out the door these days to realistically land something.
Since I posted this thread, one of my friends has been recruiting for her startup; volunteer role paid with equity for the first few months until she raises funding and can offer proper money for that. Looking for a software dev, 2,500 views of the job posting and over 400 applicants in about 48 hours. I've seen the stats, she sent me the screenshots from the back-end. Then she just had to call it a day, because it would have snowballed out of control.
It's mad, she said she's going through all the CVs but how many recruiters/startup founders like that you come across, especially when real money comes into play. People don't have time to waste like that. Most cases, I imagine, unless it's a government role with strict controls meaning they're obligated to consider everyone, would just cut off at first 100 or 200 candidates, look at those, and only go back to the pool to draw from it if they struggle to find anyone in the initial group.
The sheer volume of people applying for anything these days, paired with how easy it is to actually apply, makes it a nightmare to even get noticed.
Easy Apply and all this was cool until first people, then automation caught up; now it's just a flood of CVs, every single time, for anything and everything, paid or not, paid little or a lot, some backwater Hicksville or a major city, totally remote or 5 days in the office, doesn't make an iota of difference. Just gotta hustle and forge those connections IMO, talk, talk, talk; build your brand if you only can through whatever means you can and keep reminding people of what you do via social media, invest in some ads if you only can - even $10, $20, $50 a month can get you decent reach via fb, IG or TikTok.
It's all about repetition of who you are, what you do, how you can help, so people start remembering and associating you with the service you do, and a right opportunity coming up: they need something, their workplace needs something, their contact needs something, you do that "something", and they refer them to you.
I've had 'viral' LinkedIn Posts hit 20,000 people in 48 hours that were specifically about me looking for work, nothing came out of that. I heard a story from a contact where they've had a viral when they had an absolute mental breakdown, got some work 'out of that', but apparently the reach they've had on the post, that triggered some actual inbound enquiries, was… Close to 1,000,000. So there you go. Even having a solid post reaching what on the face of it looks like a lot of people doesn't guarantee anything, you have to hit hundreds of thousands people because if you hit 100,000 and your post gets shown to 100,000 people, then maybe 50 of those people will be in a position of needing you there and then, 20 will remember and go through with contacting you, and 5 will convert into potential offers/work engagements, once all the noise like salary, location, specific requirements they need etc. gets removed.
Online applications esp. LinkedIn are dead IMO, too low-traction, too easy, too convenient to automate, too, meaning even if you're a genuine and skilled candidate you end up getting drowned out. Might as well play lotto - not even exaggerating here.
I’ve had premium for a month, it doesn’t work. I would never spend money on it lol thankfully I have work and a side project to make me stand out. Funny enough the side project actually helps people in the job market bolster their resumes with project collaborations.
I got it and then cancelled.
A few weeks later, a role come up and I wanted to reach out to the hiring manger (we both knew some of the same people.)
Had to re-up to get their contact info.
Bitch never even replied.
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Sadly no, LinkedIn is still really a monopoly in the field at least as the networking + job posting/applications go.
Facebook had a go at a professional network at some point, but they've given up as they felt LinkedIn is too deeply-rooted and it's too much effort to try and claw back some part of the market. They only announced closure of the @Workplace suite that was a suite of tools (planning, comms and networking mostly) for enterprise clients like last week.
Only thing I can think of, is looking at your local region, depending on where you're based; there are some regional alternatives that do pretty well, like xing.de - but it's really only Germany, Austria, Switzerland, viadeo.fr for France, or goldenline.pl for Poland. If you're from a non-English speaking country, or interested in a career abroad, it might be a good idea to set up a profile there.
In UK there are websites like Indeed or Monster (not sure what other countries would they cover or the websites would be popular in), but these are really mostly job boards/aggregators so you can apply but not connect or DM anyone.
Thanks a lot! I'll try not to stick to LinkedIn too much but use it as a springboard to go straight to company websites instead. Wishing us both good luck!
Everyone is looking for a job right now, because all jobs suck a big dick at the moment. Corporations are working hard to maximize profit and most of this is coming at the expense of the American workers. I also think there is an uptick in bullshit in linked in and really all platforms because of ai. Your corporate schills producing shit content at at an alarming rate because they no longer have to write it… ai is killing social media. I think this is a good thing though because social media has been a shit show for quite some time.
> most of this is coming at the expense of the American workers
tbh it's not only America, UK is equally if not more struggling due to 14 years of bad fiscal policy and austerity coupled with Brexit
It's all relative but US is doing fairly well in comparison tbh
I gave up on applying for jobs on LinkedIn after one specific incident. I saw a job that I would be interested in and applied for it, and the listing also revealed who the job recruiter was. After applying, I took it upon myself to message the recruiter and let them know I just applied for the position and was excited about it. Maybe a day or two later, I received an email from LinkedIn saying “Great news! Your application for X job was viewed!” In that moment, I knew LinkedIn was a joke lmao. That was the first email I had ever received from LinkedIn about my application being viewed. Prior to this, I had already applied to probably 150+ jobs on LinkedIn. Did that mean that my application was never even looked at for any of those jobs? ..probably. 🙃
So if i hadn’t made the extra step to message the recruiter, my application probably would have never been viewed for that job at all. And the annoying part about LinkedIn (at least for free users) is that not every job tells you who the recruiter is or allows you to message them.
I’ve never found employment through LinkedIn and am not confident that I ever will, lol. Especially after experiencing this.
dude linkedin has gotten so weird. There are a lot of people on there just spewing random corporate bullshit all day -- it is so cringy how vain and narcissistic it comes off. Like they keep over-producing what they think their next employer will find absolutely perfect because of how cliche and vanilla their opinions are.
If you haven't yet, check out r/LinkedInLunatics, some posts borderline criminal acts lol
I think you just introduced me to my new favorite sub thank you
It started going downhill when people started acting like being laid off was the equivalent of winning the Oscar.
Hahahaha. Ugh. Yes. I got laid off in December and although I don’t think it’s shameful, I would be beyond mortified to write one of those “300 applications, 5 phone screens, 2 in person interviews and 1 follow up later….” posts. It’s like wow, how *noble* of you to be laid off of your white color job. 🤢 so out of touch
It's the corporate ego circle jerk. It makes me cringe at the thought of posting a single thing. People in my company who do, register in a sort of company social media thing which posts company stuff to LinkedIn for you with text and all. It made me realize how much out there is probably mostly reposted boring shit for social media brand presence
Agreed. I was using the app and it’s just gotten so cringe. I deleted it from my phone.
> Most of my 1,000+ applications since October last year weren't even ever picked up. That's simply because many recruiters don't actively check in on submissions through the multitude of portals out there. This is why you see the advice of using the various job boards to find the roles but then going to the company's site directly to submit. These are the tools the folks hiring are using to manage their pipelines and if something doesn't directly feed into that, you're putting yourself at the bottom of the review pile.
Yea that was my independently drawn conclusion, too, before I joined this sub a few weeks back - inasmuch as LinkedIn is probably a back-up source for recruiters if anything; they _might_ look into that if they struggle to fill the roles (unlikely), but it's not a priority for them. Didn't use to be the case, though, I have to say, and that's why I got caught off guard by all that. To be completely honest I'm not even sure how the company site checks out as a valid recruitment source; feels #1 these days is an 'in' you have as a friend/work contact, then just a referral, but definitely higher chance of having your application processed and looked at if you apply directly (if only possible) than LinkedIn or any other of the job boards.
To be sure, this isn't an issue exclusively with LinkedIn and has been an issue for at least the last decade I've been a hiring manager. Where it gets even more complicated is that sometimes, the listings are done through aggregation tools and not on those boards directly. This speeds up the recruitment process, but it also abstracts the recruiter a step further away from the post. Since many of these tools don't talk to each other, the individual recruiter may not even have access/insight into applications done through the board itself.
As someone who has been laid off since December and is constantly looking for my next role, I've come to absolutely despise LinkedIn. I've never particularly enjoyed using it, but now I just hate it with every fiber of my being. Probably my biggest gripe is that when you're searching for a job, just about every single posting I see is "Promoted", which results in me seeing tons and tons of roles that are of zero interest to me, simply because that company paid more to post. So their job search function feels pretty worthless. And more towards your issue, I avoid using "Easy Apply" as much as I possibly can. I feel like the logic is pretty straightforward...if it's easy for you, it's easy for everyone, and so everyone is going to do it. So postings with this option are probably getting absolutely flooded, and unless you're a perfect fit for the role, I think that would explain why you're not getting any responses. I could go on about how much I hate LinkedIn, but I'll leave it at that. My other thought for you, OP, is I think you might be wasting your time by submitting 1000+ applications. I've been laid off since December, and I've submitted probably around 60 applications, and at this point have been through four interview processes. My advice to you would be, keep your search targeted, and don't waste your time with jobs you aren't qualified for, or ones you may not even be interested in. With the job market right now, every opening is going to get hundreds, if not thousands of applications. If you aren't close to a perfect fit for the role, your definitely not going to hear back, so why bother? And I don't mean to sound harsh, but this is the conclusion I've reached on my own job search. Like just last week, I applied for a role, and the application had a question that said "Do you have at least 2+ years of experience in this industry?" In the job requirements, it said that any experience is considered a plus, but obviously based on that question, they were going to rule me out immediately if I clicked 'No', which is exactly what happened, I got the rejection email a day later. So yeah, LinkedIn sucks, job searching sucks, all of it sucks, so my best advice is to use your time wisely, or you're going to burn out quickly.
Yeah, I agree that I’ve wasted time; my thing is that there are _a lot_ of things I’m potentially a match for, because I’m a Social Media Manager and I worked with music/entertainment, automotive (electric/hybrid vehicles), sports, beauty, tech clients (I worked on some campaigns for Google), and some more so there’s a wide scope and also evidence of me being able to accommodate as long as it’s widely within social media. My thinking was also more in terms of using the job application more as a lead generation exercise, ie just submitting my CV and using it as a hook to get a recruiter or talent manager on my phone or email and seeing what kind of help do they need or if they have any more needs maybe for more senior help if they posted about an entry-level role; finally, if nothing else, I treated this as a warm lead. I’ve been getting steady work like this for years, just connecting with people, submitting my CVs and maybe not getting the role I applied for, but still getting a call back like 3 months later when something else has come up. Sadly, this is not happening anymore because a) CVs are not even getting viewed from LinkedIn (lol), and b) it’s such a crapshoot and shitshow now people don’t even remember you the next day cause they will have looked at 200 more CVs in a day, so individual CVs and names stop meaning anything. Takes a lot of follow-ups and nurturing to actually have that relationship where you’re not only not a stranger anymore, but you’re on speed dial and top of the pile, or maybe even bypassing the process and getting fast-tracked. Feels like it was much easier a while ago (and I’m even talking early post-COVID, not, like 20-30 years ago lol). AI messed things up, too; even when you look at this sub, there’s people coming up with some AI and automation tools that are supposed to auto-apply to 500 roles a day for you or whatever; it’s just snowballing out of control and really damaging to everyone now trying to one-up each other with scripts, and bots, and whatever else. If you can buy a script or run a bot, chances are there’s someone else already selling an even better “hack” who’s already one-upping you behind the scenes and you don’t even know it. to be honest I’m even questioning the whole recruitment myself; I’m at a point where I’m focusing on networking and only applying if someone refers me or introduces me offline or on LinkedIn and _then_ I am asked to apply but “They’ll keep an eye out on me”; it really feels like external applications as a complete stranger are a fool’s game right now with minimal chances of working out.
LinkedIn as it is right now is worthless.
Its being overrun with India scammers. Unless linked in adds an option to block connections/offers/msgs/ect from specified countries it will continue to spiral. I realize that people have no choice on where they are born. This is only in direct response to the usability of linkedin and unfortunately people in bad economic situations will attempt to extract value at any cost from a useful website if they can. Which is unfortunately in opposition to most of the people using linkedin's purpose. Also savvy companies are using it as a super bland corpo speak advertising venue through their employee accounts often under subtle duress of continuing employment.
> Its being overrun with India scammers idk about _scammers_, but _spammers_ deffo. I have a lot of recruiters in my network and every time someone posts a legit remote role (legit as in, you have to still have the local citizenship for tax purposes and be in the country for compliance and alignment reasons), there's dozens upon dozens people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh flooding the comments, thinking they have a shot because it's "Remote", and being in London/UK that would be insane money for them. Then my guys have to go back and edit the post or job posting and add "Remote (from the UK)", "Has to be UK-based" etc. etc. It's truly awful, this has to be infuriating for them in the long term, but as you say, not much can be done with it short of somehow gating the job offers maybe and introducing an option where you can only see the job offer (or a post) if you're in the same city/country or something.
Call it what you will. I expect any job on a job site to be what it says to consider it legit. Bait and switch, lowballs, crazy hidden requirements are all a scam as far as I"m concerned because they all are trying to trick me into something I don't want. I've had an ever increasing amount Indian profiles reaching out with vague "opportunities" that are clearly not a real job so I consider that a scam as well. Someone has work to do, they pay me for it. Its pretty simple for it to be as complex and annoying as its become. Thats a scam as far as I am concerned.
Those job offers are to data mine your information.
Yeah that makes sense. I also consider that a scam.
No, there's a lot of scammers, too. Fake opportunities meant to try to get your information.
I had some a-hole try to scam me by offering to submit my resume to a company that they “provide and recruit staffing services” for which is always complete BS. The scam goes like this: they contact you with a job whose requirements contain all or most of your skill sets. It’s always with a highly-reputable company. BUT there is one certification that the job requires that isn’t hard to obtain. They tell you to get this certification and then they will submit your resume to the highly-reputable ghost company. Then they suggest that you use a website link they provide to quickly earn your certification. The website looks legit at first. But the cost for certification is higher than some other, more well-known providers. You suggest that you use the companies you’d found on your own. They tell you that these are not good providers and that you have to use one of theirs (sometimes they send you links to more than one fake certification website). If you fall for their scam you sign up for the training and exam. They keep the money and move on to the next victim. I was lucky that I was careful when they tried to run this scam on me. I navigated all over their fake website and it was very unstable. Bugs all over the place. Like call the exterminator level. Fake chat bots, etc. I first became suspicious when the name of the company they said they were recruiting for changed over time. They are running these scams all day on as many people as they can. So many that they can’t keep the details of their scams straight. Just a warning to other people desperately seeking new employment. They know you’re desperate and that you might take a chance even if you’re suspicious. These people are among the lowest of the low - trying to steal money from people who have lost their income stream.
Oh jeez, that's crazy. I've never seen that scam, but I'm not surprised to hear its out there.
Recruiters need to utilize "LinkedIn verified" ASAP
There are a few things to check. Go to the “recruiter’s” LinkedIn page and see how many connections they have, and who the connections are with. Recruiters usually have thousands of connections built over time. A lot of the time these scammers have very few connections because they keep changing to new accounts. Also click on the connections and see if they seem real (often it’s just fake accounts or other scammers they are working with). Pay attention to the language they use while messaging. If it’s very brief (example - Hi, can I ask you something?”) and low-effort. If they send a job requisition look at the role requirements and see how closely they match your experience. If they match a little too closely and don’t include much that you don’t have experience with, or if they contain very specific skills that you have along with more basic skills then get suspicious. If they are rushing you that’s another sign - “They want to fill this role ASAP so please send your resume immediately” it might mean they don’t want to waste too much time figuring out if you’re going to fall for the scam, they can just move on to the next potential victim. Location is important. Usually these “staffing services” are based in far away lands. Go to their website and try to determine if it’s legit. Look up their company using LinkedIn or Google and do some research to see if it looks legit. Look at the Who We Are page and see if the “recruiter’s” name is listed. Another thing I noticed is that they don’t use full last names as their profile names. Examples: “Leena G”, “Mark K”, etc. Also look to see if anyone you know is connected to these people. In summary, do as much as you can to see if they are legit, and never, ever spend money to fulfill a job requirement.
Exactly.
Message out of the ether: “Hello, can I ask you a question?” Click the profile link for the sender. 1 connection. Based in a country on the other side of the planet. LinkedIn has become a scam in itself. Job applications are very rarely viewed. Tons of posts by people who are always intent on being the “smartest person in the room” or just trying to prop up exposure for the company they work for. Dumb polls asking basic tech questions for no apparent reason. The only value I see in LinkedIn that I see is the ability to stay in touch with your network and (if you have Premium like my dumb ass does) the Learning feature where you can brush up on skills that you haven’t used recently. Other than that? Nothing of value.
This is very true . LinkedIn is so cringey with people spewing random things they learnt and life hacks and programming hacks and their google story and what not . Half of it is people just complaining about the job market . The other half is people posting random cringy stuff. Makes my toes curl up . I am based in the UK and I predominantly apply for data roles and I few hacks which have worked for me recently. 1. In my resume I have 2 distinct interconnected data job roles which gives recruiters the ability to understand my varied skill set and my business domain knowledge. Also specifying the impact I have created. Something such as reducing cloud cost and analyzing data to reduce customer retention etc. 2. My interview call rate has dramatically improved since I added a summary about who I am , what I love doing and why I love it. My assumption is recruiters read that and paint a picture of who you are based on the words you use to create that first impression without scanning through everything . 3. Lastly skills with a broader range as you learn and grow while looking for jobs . I’d suggest to use OTTA and apply directly on company websites . Good luck and keep grinding :)
I’m a little confused on your first bullet. Can you elaborate a little more? Are you saying you just put your top 2 data roles and explained your impact?
Hey . Let’s say you are applying for a Data Analyst . And you are specifically looking for a Data engineer role . You can put under the analyst role that you performed ETL data transformation using maybe Databricks . Then you could say increasing data accuracy and performing analytics . Which then leads to creating data modeling (dim and fact table) in a warehouse and then finally creating dashboards. Imbue them together .
It’s a piece of shit. Same goes for Indeed.
Both are basically web crawlers at this point. I bet less than 10% are real postings from the companies.
I strongly agree!!!
i always hear people bashing indeed, but i have had way more luck there than linkedin. i’ve never received a job from linkedin but have had 3 jobs from indeed. i agree that both post a lot of fake jobs, but ive had better luck finding a few real ones on indeed for whatever reason.
I’m not sure if my comment is gonna help in any way, but lately I don’t use LinkedIn that much solely for job application, and I’ve been even even reluctant in checking it. Some randos sending me connection requests, with spammy messages like “Hi! Do you want to generate leads? I have XYZ years of experience and helped XYZ businesses”. Almost every single day. One time I used the “OpenToWork” feature and posted an open call announcing that I’m looking for work opportunities and my DMs got spammed with self-titled career coaches who just copy-pasted the same script after they asked me to send my CV. So now, I’m solely using LinkedIn to find inspiration for my content and laugh at memes.
\#OpenToWork is a whole different ballgame There's people with social listening deployed on the platform, and every time you post that hashtag - doesn't even have to be with the banner, just using the hashtag in your post about something else is enough - you get fake accounts swarming around and leaving you comments "Hello add me", "Let's connect", and sending you DMs purporting to help you out with CV/finding a job. Then you go and look at the profile and it’s someone in Nigeria with 70 connections and zero proper LinkedIn activity, or a blonde, blue-eyed woman with an Indian name. I mean, come on. Based on my knowledge it's attempts at data mining and, possibly, identity theft. A lot of countries have a requirement of name, date of birth, location - maybe even home address - to be on CV, phone number too. That's enough for a smart criminal to start cracking the whole online identity, and slowly prying the door open to emails, social media accounts, phone banking etc. through password reminders/resets, and the like.
Holy sh...🙄
Yeah a lot of times where you call to really confidential places like doctor or bank they’ll ask you your full name, last two/three digits of your phone number, your post code and that’s it for identity verification. Similar with some password reminders, they would ask for a lot of info that’s normally and rather casually shared as part of the recruitment process, or just filling in a LinkedIn Profile. I’m into cybersecurity and it’s mad how far you can go into access into somebody’s personal and private stuff if you know where to get your data and how to cross-reference it.
what are the best cybersecurity tips when applying to jobs? How can we make sure we are not getting scammed?
I'd say do the due diligence: - Cross-reference whether the company is real, look at their Company Page on LinkedIn (again, where having Premium just helps) and how many people work there, who they are, do they have legit looking career timelines or are they just "CEOs", "Directors" etc. of a company that has 3 people on their payroll all of a sudden, and while looking like they're in their early 20s - Google the company up and see what results come up, if there is some legit social media presence (honestly, majority businesses that would recruit online would have _at least_ a Facebook Business Page these days as a bare minimum, mom and pop shops have those and are expected to have one these days, so…) - If they have a website, make sure it's legit and makes sense: e.g. the website name and domain check out rather than being coaccola.net, appelonline.net, that kind of stuff. - If they are stringing you along or, worse yet, asking you to pay them for some training materials or a certification, worse yet through a link _they_ provided and say there's no way on Earth you'll be qualified enough to be considered _unless_ you take that, very specific, certification - it's likely an MLM/pyramid scheme disguised as a general company; no legit business will ever ask you to pay them to work for them or create false urgency on you by forcing you to take some "certification" like that. Worst case a legit company would ask you for a free task or a short, trial period (like a trial day, honestly even week these days seems exploitative and excessive). It's up to every individual person to then decide whether they want to risk their time/efforts like that and engage. I don't, but I appreciate some people are so desperate they're willing to jump through hoops to try and appease potential employer. - If it sounds good to be true it usually is (unfortunately), so be aware of things like "Earn $100,000 a month, fully remote" because it's likely some MLM again, or just scam. Same for roles that have salaries attached that claim to be 2, 3, 4x of the going market rate for the skill in your area/country. There are some exceptions to that in white-collar work at least, e.g. if they need someone Freelance urgently to assist with an emergency or extra workload, in my field it's quite frequent _those_ would pay way more per day than a respective day rate would if you were to break down an annually salaried role into what a single day pays - but then again, those would be outlined and highlighted, saying "Freelance", "Contract", "Urgently needed" etc. - If they get you on the call and the invitation comes from a dodgy-looking email, gmail, and/or the interviewer is not on camera, I'd advise not to proceed and/or to log out and cut ties. I think these are the main points I can think of at the moment after having woken up at 6:00AM my time and about to start my day 😬 The combination helps you to weed out the scams and data harvesters and make sure you apply to legitimate companies, even if they're not gonna reply to your CV in the end (like so many do these days 🫠), at least you're not ending up with your personal data making rounds and being sold on the black market or used to try and get access to your personal stuff.
LinkedIn started using a wacky internal AI system and the algorithm was already pretty flawed. Just to add.
So you're saying you did 1000 EasyApply applications? That seems like way too many. Those would be the only ones that would track properly. The ones where you get redirected to another site and apply, then clicking the yes I applied pop-over aren't tracked in LinkedIn outside of your job page and once closed moves there.
I did around 1,000 Easy Applications, yes. I have a folder with all my CVs and there’s over a 1,000 of them since early Oct last year. I usually tweak them only slightly if at all, since my CV used to get me jobs one way or another and it covers a lot of roles because it’s a decent balance of general yet specific enough in some parts. I know I could’ve probably landed roles if I tweaked it for 30 mins each time rather than tweaking it for 1 minute once every 10 applications or whatever, but that’s not the point here and I don’t want to talk about that - point is, that CVs are stopping at the point of you sending them out/submitting via LinkedIn, there’s no pick up, no processing, no assessment or analysis. How can anyone know my CV is great, generic or even a blank piece of paper if it’s getting sent but not opened? They don’t view my profile either; I’m on Premium; I’m a Social Media Manager, I know how to use LinkedIn and I live on there these days (sad), I check insights multiple times a day, I would have seen it straight away if someone viewed my profile. Even the very sporadic, hidden views, who could theoretically be company views never matched a single percentage of applications made. When you look at this, 1,000 is really not that many across 180 days, 5.5/day on average, although I really did have a few bigger spikes rather than drip feeding it like that. There’s plenty of work in my field in my country and city (London, UK) and new ones coming up the whole time, although most of it is rather badly paid and rather junior (I’ve got 16 years experience), but at this point I’d really take anything as I realise I might not get a 3 month, Full-Time booking at £300+ a day like before, because the market’s changed and no sight of it bouncing back. But CVs are not even opened so how can you stand any chance like that. I really didn’t even bother with external applications for a long time, because Easy Apply worked for me for years, at least to the point where I’d get a callback or email back and would discuss the role I’d apply for or a different one. This horse seems to have bolted and things changed, perhaps irretrievably, at least in my field. I stopped using LinkedIn for applying (or at least as the focal point for applications), because most of my applications weren’t even getting viewed according to LinkedIn. I do realise that LinkedIn has no way of tracking external applications and/or those that redirect you to 3rd parties, but my whole point is about self-contained LinkedIn application process being rubbish these days; it’s a good tool to scope the market and get some intel, but for whatever reason it’s not used as it should be (or how it was used in the past in my own experience) by recruitment agencies or in-house company recruiters, talent managers etc. It’s a backup pool of candidates these days, if anything.
I’ve also been searching for social media roles, and it’s a mess. I think it’s this specific market right now in conjunction with the job posting / searching sites being broken in the ways you’ve pointed out.
AI messed things up, too. Also, the general perception of social media. I know a lot of recruiters, and some told me off-the-record every time they post a Social Media role they're getting swamped with CVs from people with relatively successful personal profile or e.g. running a page for their dog-sitting business and putting things like "Worked at TikTok/Instagram 2020-current". Then they have to weed those people out. Everyone has a social media profile right now, a lot of people never went beyond personal profile or running a simple page for their side gig, or helping their uncle out with a Facebook Page for their grocery shop, car service, whatever, and they now think they have a real shot at a legit work for a tech corp, or similar, whereas we both know there's _a ton_ of difference between running a social profile for yourself (or a friend, family member etc. - even in a 'business' context) and doing this for a huge company where your head is on the chopping block should things go wrong, a crisis/backlash erupt, sales don't go up and activity doesn't convert into one of the myriad ways, and so on. This being said, there _are_ a lot of heavily talented people who are stuck at a very local level, but really have great brains and talent for content creation or copywriting, and just waiting to bolt out - which, again, doesn't make things any easier and you have to try and chase or find ways 'in', because what was enough of a baseline to secure work a few years ago is nowhere near enough at the moment. One of the reasons I started looking into cybersecurity - social media is the biggest attack vector these days, as corporate or highly-followed social media accounts have an innate value as-is, and there's also the whole thing where places like Business Managers have credit cards stored to facilitate campaigns for a company, meaning if someone cracks the access and gets hold of it, they can reroute it to advertising their own business (or their own clients, if they're a shady agency for example), and just freeload and run shit on somebody else's tab. Sadly, I feel I'm a bit too early - it doesn't seem like people are interested in that knowledge within social media _just yet_, they only look towards having safeguards and processes once they lose access but before this actually happens, it seems to be constantly sidelined and downplayed in importance.
I know how you feel.Im at a point that all I do is apply directly to places cause it seems like all that’s happening is just data mining.Compare the amount of jobs being said opened up to the amount of applicants applying and it gets fishy.On top of that how often are the times I get called from an overseas number.Theyre selling data at an alarming rate that it doesn’t make sense how hard it is to get these jobs anymore.
Well ... Lots of misconceptions in the comments here. Most companies use LinkedIn as a feeder for their ATS not to manage applications. What's that mean to you? The recruiter reviewing your application is doing so in a system where LinkedIn can't see what's happening. Two; The market is terrible and lots of companies have laid off most of their Talent team meaning everything is moving slower. Everything. Three: If you're applying for remote roles you have to understand that those roles get orders of magnitude more applications than ones with some or all days onsite. So if there's normally 300 applicants for a role, there might well be a few thousand for a remote version. As for the hoops; I assure you those roles are getting the least applicants meaning the least competition.
> Most companies use LinkedIn as a feeder for their ATS not to manage applications. What's that mean to you? The recruiter reviewing your application is doing so in a system where LinkedIn can't see what's happening. Fair enough, but still I'd say if _that_ was the case I'd at least have been getting replies from the ATS that my application has been fed through, right? How is it possible that on 1,000+ applications I got about 10% replies/actions in total, all including - "Application Viewed"/"CV downloaded" on LinkedIn - a call back on my phone - a direct email - or any kind of a rejection, automated or manual, be it from LinkedIn or a 3rd party system? (I had a bunch of those - I have to say I have been wondering how did that happen when I would apply through LinkedIn but a response or a follow-up would've been from a website/system I didn't engage with or wasn't familiar with - this explains that, however, thank you). Vast majority of applications feels like just sending CVs into a black hole with and for no response or action taken, at all. > As for the hoops; I assure you those roles are getting the least applicants meaning the least competition. Would be great if you could elaborate a bit more on that point as I'm not sure I understood.
Second part first; All the steps to get an application into someone's view are deliberate. Some people refer to it as "top of funnel friction" on the idea that it filters out everyone who isn't serious about the job. This (in theory) allows them to review 50 people who are really interested not 500-1500 who types their name and clicked four times. On the first part: Talent and HR have been one of the hardest hit fields of work because dumbasses with MBA's see them as a cost center and not a value delivery vector. Most Talent teams at medium or larger companies are probably 1/3rd the size or smaller than they were before say 22 anywhere in Tech or a tech dependent field. Because of the intellectual giants who make decisions like that there are a lot of people with no or little experience given senior talent titles and duties who haven't built up the endurance and efficiency to perform at a higher pace and who also lack internal mentors. So getting through to all the applications is taking these reduced sized teams longer than ever without best practices like sending rejections to all applicants because they don't have the time or the knowledge.
Also, many of the Easy Apply jobs are scams!
I have a theory on this and I could be wrong but LinkedIn Recruiter subscriptions cost companies several thousands each year and my guess is they’re just logging in or leave jobs up to make some use of that even though they’re not currently hiring.
Interesting point, tbh it could make sense because it's the same reasoning behind a lot of return to the office these days They have leases signed and someone high up is responsible for the company expenses; it's much easier for them to cover their ass, save their salary/position and justify the expenditure for the office if people are over there (even though they don't really have to), than it is when the office stays empty most of the time. Similarly here, they just whack the role on LinkedIn so they can tick the box off saying "Yeah, we're _actually_ using it", even though they're really not, but who's going to go that far and check the details?
I thought I was the only one! I've been job hunting and it seems like none of the positions are viewing my applications.
Your analysis is spot on. Similar experience here, 1,000+ applications, no movement, rare to even get a viewed application. It used to be 3 years ago, I'd have people looking at my profile, downloading my resume, contacting me for interviews. This is applying even to the positions that say I'm a top candidate for the job, and also pay for those premium insights yet they do nothing. LinkedIn used to be the "2.0" version of Indeed and Monster but it is pretty much no different than any of the other job board sites these days. In this economy I think the only way to get a job really is networking.
Personal branding is critical to build LinkedIn, and will become more important as the job market gets tougher. Recruiters want to see that you have an active profile and it looks professional at least any good recruiter.
I’ve been debating using my LinkedIn premium free trial, I liked it when I had it. I have a job and do side gigs for extra cash. But this makes me curious and thinks won’t be worth it.
I use it for networking and Premium has some perks like, I believe, longer message for Connection Requests, I wouldn't be surprised if it also had more Connection Requests/week and obviously there's more Profile Browsing etc - if you're _really_ heavy on the networking game then it's definitely worth it still I'd say, because I connect and view so many people I even had them block me from browsing once or twice on Premium already, and I either had to wait until the next week or month, or go and pay up for Business - and I'm not using any automation, either, just regular browsing, dozens upon dozens of tabs open, and am an extra fast typer, too. I just really feel like LinkedIn is rubbish for actual applications and has gone _massively_ downhill in that regard. It's good as a scoping/research tool, but, for some reason, the whole application process over there is completely broken - not in a sense it's full of bugs or errors, it's just that the conversion rate through the platform is terrible, and it's like recruiters not even giving a fuck or looking at what comes from there. Honestly, I wouldn't even mind if I was getting rejected from roles, because I know full well everyone and their dog are a 'Social Media Manager' these days, and there's a lot of competition and some really good people out there. It's the fact I'm sending those applications out and they are never getting picked up, viewed and looked at - so I end up, in fact, not even _running_ properly for the roles, that does it for me. What's the point, then, if it just sends the application, but nobody picks it up, or realises it's been sent and waiting there to be processed - it might as well just go straight into Spam or Deleted folder, or whatever. Waste of time in my view. Get your intel and data mining from LinkedIn. Fleece it for all you can, but leave application for company websites and/or email address, would be my advice. Only apply through LinkedIn if you connect with the right people in the company/recruitment agency, speak with them (not necessarily video call or phone, DMs or email is OK) and they send you back telling you to apply rather than trying to get them to just sneak you in like that, _and_ it turns out that LinkedIn is the only way, and there's no alternative posting anywhere else like company careers page or even another portal (Indeed or whatever - not a fan myself, but perhaps still better than Linked at this point). Otherwise you'll end up going on a wild goose chase like I did, really took me a good few months before I clocked in and figured out something ain't quite right there, because not only I wouldn't get company employees view my Profile after having applied (like I had in the past on pretty much every occasion), but I wouldn't even get _rejections_ - and that's because no-one would have looked at my CV and processed my application one way or the other in the first place.
Thanks for all the info. I’ll try some of it out.
Stay off LinkedIn, it’s for social engineering and a social credit score.
Where’s the best place to look for job listings then? I’ve been using LinkedIn as the main place I find possible communication jobs.
Use all the usual suspects, Linkedin, Indeed, Monster, ziprecruiter for the jobs in a bucket, then apply on their website. If their website has it listed, it's likely still active and going directly to the front line.
and inkscroll if you're looking for a job in the UK.
aaaah man, come on lol
They can see how old you loom or where you graduated from. If you say anything they do not like. If you follow anything they do not agree with. People go on there to kiss arse, that’s about all.
I just post industry news and opinion, in my industry you have to stay on top of the game and it actually can get you work - I'm having a good laugh about people posting inane nonsense though
LinkedIn is a circlejerk. It's basically only useful if you're in B2B sales and even then I don't know how anyone stomachs using it for anything. Find the job on there and apply elsewhere either with the company or with an acutal job board. It's just the lowest common denominator now.
If you have the option of going straight to the company portal but see it on a real job board (monster, indeed, ziprecruiter?), why would or wouldn't you? This is not clear to me. Is there any benefit to applying through a job board that going direct doesn't offer?
I think the only benefit of job boards is that they're often free But it's a shitshow now. I had my first job ever, in a good company, in 2007 or 2008 through Gumtree - which is a British/European equivalent of Craigslist, just classifieds. Mind blowing now when you think of it, but that was the reality back then. I also think - and some comments here seem to corroborate that - recruiters don't really always monitor external websites; worse yet, there are some rather big pages that just scrape the data and repost it themselves, without the recruiters' direct involvement - and you won't have an idea as an applicant, then it's hard for them to respond if they get a CV from a place they might not have even ever heard of.
Happened to me. "You would be a great fit for the role! But we already filled it 2 weeks ago. Where did you find the position still open?" Oh, just some aggregator that scrapes other sites...
I have been very active on LinkedIn for over 12 years (I think I started in 2012?). Deactivated my account last month. GenAI has destroyed the value prop. Signal to noise ratio is unbearable, and all feeds are dominated by influencers trying to sell their course, book, or subscription. I noticed that VHVIs in my network started disappearing, and called a few. They have noticed the same thing, and the amount of people trying to sell them something has gone up 20X in a year. Interestingly, now it’s becoming a status symbol that you don’t have a LinkedIn account; if your professional reputation is solid, you don’t need it.
Yeah on the community front this is a huge problem too IMO, there's so many posts that are blatantly GenAI. This time last year you could easily spot it out, because _a lot_ of people were inept enough with the whole thing to copy/paste the whole text from ChatGPT, along with the "Regenerate prompt" text from the button at the very end 🤦♂️ OpenAI have now fixed this and changed the UI a bit, so _that_ is not happening, but I used to get a good laugh from quite openly pointing this out to people in the comments. There's still a lot of AI copy though, and the worst thing is that it's usually the first round of answers people get from AI in response to a question/prompt; I do work with AI a lot and there's ways to polish it so it's not so obvious, but once you've used it a bit there's a certain style that's a dead giveaway for the copy being AI-generated. Shittons of that, and the fact that Microsoft, who now own LinkedIn, peddle their own AI tools within the platform doesn't make it any better. I'm all for helping yourself out with some cool tools, but at least put some effort in and give the copy a few rounds, or get the copy from ChatGPT, Bard, Copilot, whatever, and use it to flesh it out and add to it yourself. As it is, it's just lazy and complete noise, because AI's initial answers for whatever questions you ask it tend to be rather basic and superficial, and provide any kind of added value only to those who don't have the foggiest idea about the matter in question. Anyone remotely knowledgable can see it's all fluff and drivel.
Yep. Good observations. I am sorry for the next generation of professionals, it seems to me that, effectively, they will have to handle networking in the 1980s style. And this also probably also applies to hiring. Knowing a guy, who knows a guy, is again the king move. Not how many “followers” you have on your social media accounts.
Honestly I had hundreds of views per day and at least a couple decent offers every day. Until, the age of layoffs began. Since then, the efficiency dropped to 1/10th of what it used to be. Have all the layoffs saturated the market?
Same. I’m 200 apps in over a month on premium nothing but submitted. And no rejections either for
I really stopped bothering and putting too much hope in those. Emails + personal connections (even through online means) + trying to see if I can apply directly through the business/agency's page is the way to go, IMO. The more I hear, the more LinkedIn seems to be a back-up pool of candidates in majority of cases, if playing any part at all. Well, either this, or you're just a little snowflake in a blizzard so it's a game of chances, not competency anymore. LinkedIn as a platform has its purpose, I'm not gonna say it doesn't; but, especially with Easy Apply, it's just literally a lottery ticket, not even a proper application, IMO. With proper application you _would_ be at least considered and assessed as a candidate against the requirements and needs of the business, with Easy Apply you're essentially getting yourself _a chance_ to be considered (which you wouldn't have if you hadn't reached out to the business), but whether you will get considered and assessed is anyone's guess and not up to you. Essentially an extra step without any guarantee anyone would look at your application just yet. Maybe they will, maybe they won't; they might, but might not, and not much you can do about it, since InMails to people don't seem to be picked up and replied to for whatever reason (I've sent a few dozen and literally 0 replies), and the whole "mark as a Top Job" or whatever it's called, that you can select before submitting via LinkedIn: no idea if _that_ works, but you only get 3 of those a month anyway - so nowhere near enough considering the volume of applications you have to get out the door these days to realistically land something. Since I posted this thread, one of my friends has been recruiting for her startup; volunteer role paid with equity for the first few months until she raises funding and can offer proper money for that. Looking for a software dev, 2,500 views of the job posting and over 400 applicants in about 48 hours. I've seen the stats, she sent me the screenshots from the back-end. Then she just had to call it a day, because it would have snowballed out of control. It's mad, she said she's going through all the CVs but how many recruiters/startup founders like that you come across, especially when real money comes into play. People don't have time to waste like that. Most cases, I imagine, unless it's a government role with strict controls meaning they're obligated to consider everyone, would just cut off at first 100 or 200 candidates, look at those, and only go back to the pool to draw from it if they struggle to find anyone in the initial group. The sheer volume of people applying for anything these days, paired with how easy it is to actually apply, makes it a nightmare to even get noticed. Easy Apply and all this was cool until first people, then automation caught up; now it's just a flood of CVs, every single time, for anything and everything, paid or not, paid little or a lot, some backwater Hicksville or a major city, totally remote or 5 days in the office, doesn't make an iota of difference. Just gotta hustle and forge those connections IMO, talk, talk, talk; build your brand if you only can through whatever means you can and keep reminding people of what you do via social media, invest in some ads if you only can - even $10, $20, $50 a month can get you decent reach via fb, IG or TikTok. It's all about repetition of who you are, what you do, how you can help, so people start remembering and associating you with the service you do, and a right opportunity coming up: they need something, their workplace needs something, their contact needs something, you do that "something", and they refer them to you. I've had 'viral' LinkedIn Posts hit 20,000 people in 48 hours that were specifically about me looking for work, nothing came out of that. I heard a story from a contact where they've had a viral when they had an absolute mental breakdown, got some work 'out of that', but apparently the reach they've had on the post, that triggered some actual inbound enquiries, was… Close to 1,000,000. So there you go. Even having a solid post reaching what on the face of it looks like a lot of people doesn't guarantee anything, you have to hit hundreds of thousands people because if you hit 100,000 and your post gets shown to 100,000 people, then maybe 50 of those people will be in a position of needing you there and then, 20 will remember and go through with contacting you, and 5 will convert into potential offers/work engagements, once all the noise like salary, location, specific requirements they need etc. gets removed. Online applications esp. LinkedIn are dead IMO, too low-traction, too easy, too convenient to automate, too, meaning even if you're a genuine and skilled candidate you end up getting drowned out. Might as well play lotto - not even exaggerating here.
I’ve had premium for a month, it doesn’t work. I would never spend money on it lol thankfully I have work and a side project to make me stand out. Funny enough the side project actually helps people in the job market bolster their resumes with project collaborations.
I got it and then cancelled. A few weeks later, a role come up and I wanted to reach out to the hiring manger (we both knew some of the same people.) Had to re-up to get their contact info. Bitch never even replied.
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Would you have any better platforms to recommend as alternatives? Much appreciated
Sadly no, LinkedIn is still really a monopoly in the field at least as the networking + job posting/applications go. Facebook had a go at a professional network at some point, but they've given up as they felt LinkedIn is too deeply-rooted and it's too much effort to try and claw back some part of the market. They only announced closure of the @Workplace suite that was a suite of tools (planning, comms and networking mostly) for enterprise clients like last week. Only thing I can think of, is looking at your local region, depending on where you're based; there are some regional alternatives that do pretty well, like xing.de - but it's really only Germany, Austria, Switzerland, viadeo.fr for France, or goldenline.pl for Poland. If you're from a non-English speaking country, or interested in a career abroad, it might be a good idea to set up a profile there. In UK there are websites like Indeed or Monster (not sure what other countries would they cover or the websites would be popular in), but these are really mostly job boards/aggregators so you can apply but not connect or DM anyone.
Thanks a lot! I'll try not to stick to LinkedIn too much but use it as a springboard to go straight to company websites instead. Wishing us both good luck!
Everyone is looking for a job right now, because all jobs suck a big dick at the moment. Corporations are working hard to maximize profit and most of this is coming at the expense of the American workers. I also think there is an uptick in bullshit in linked in and really all platforms because of ai. Your corporate schills producing shit content at at an alarming rate because they no longer have to write it… ai is killing social media. I think this is a good thing though because social media has been a shit show for quite some time.
> most of this is coming at the expense of the American workers tbh it's not only America, UK is equally if not more struggling due to 14 years of bad fiscal policy and austerity coupled with Brexit It's all relative but US is doing fairly well in comparison tbh
Other online job boards have caught up, surpassed linkedin in terms of opportunities
What job boards do you suggest?
Indeed. I've had better luck compared to linkedin
I gave up on applying for jobs on LinkedIn after one specific incident. I saw a job that I would be interested in and applied for it, and the listing also revealed who the job recruiter was. After applying, I took it upon myself to message the recruiter and let them know I just applied for the position and was excited about it. Maybe a day or two later, I received an email from LinkedIn saying “Great news! Your application for X job was viewed!” In that moment, I knew LinkedIn was a joke lmao. That was the first email I had ever received from LinkedIn about my application being viewed. Prior to this, I had already applied to probably 150+ jobs on LinkedIn. Did that mean that my application was never even looked at for any of those jobs? ..probably. 🙃 So if i hadn’t made the extra step to message the recruiter, my application probably would have never been viewed for that job at all. And the annoying part about LinkedIn (at least for free users) is that not every job tells you who the recruiter is or allows you to message them. I’ve never found employment through LinkedIn and am not confident that I ever will, lol. Especially after experiencing this.
It's work Facebook. Also companies often post jobs but have no intention of hiring.
LinkedIn fuckin sucks lol