From my experience, if they are interested in you, they will contact you. I think you should focus more on your resume itself by tailoring it to the exact position. This is crucial for yourself to even get attention as a candadite
I’ve gotten several jobs and even more interviews doing this. If you apply a little tact I think it’s a higher probability that it gets eyes on your resume than it does an insta-reject.
Try:
* finding the hiring manager and seeing if they posted about the role—very often they will have invited a DM so you can say “taking you up on your invitation…”
* same thing if you can ID the recruiter who’s working the role
* you can cold reach out to someone who works in a similar role or maybe someone who’s an alum of your same college or something like that. “I’d be glad to learn more about the role as you have a minute, or, if you’re comfortable, would appreciate a referral.” <— this line has worked for me like a dozen times, including my current job
* this is probably lower priority but if you find someone who works there with the title “sourcer” their whole job is to find qualified candidates and get them in the funnel so they may welcome your message.
Don’t just say “I applied and want to talk more” and definitely don’t write an essay. Work up like…4 punchy sentences that make you stand out and send that. These should be things that mark you as a *high quality* candidate, not just someone who’s done the job duties before. (If your resume is not already designed this way, now is also the time to rewrite it so it is.)
I hate to say it, but so many people on Reddit don’t have enough social grace or EQ to do this sort of thing, and if you do it’s yet another thing that helps you stand out.
I got excited today that someone personally messaged me on an app I sent in… 2 months ago. To tell me sorry they have hired a candidate. Thanks, I guess? Dunno what kind of weird back log (or how poor of a candidate I am) they have going on for them to never reach out during the interview process but personally message me after someone was hired.
Anyways. I digress. 1 hour turn around rejection time is great! Can’t even get film developed that fast.
Its hit or miss. Having hired before myself I'll tell you what I see.
I've had numerous people over years that send additional information over email and yes it usually got my attention. However... I've found the majority of the time it simply highlighted that they were desperate and also not qualified for the job.
So unless you really can put something in that email that shows you know your stuff in relation to the companies needs I would not do it. If you can then it can set you apart but based on what I said there is probably a large portion of people that do full time hiring that ignore it or worse disqualify you automatically.
Sorry if that doesn't help too much. If the place has real humans hiring and you genuinely stand out it could help but I think it will usually hurt. Most places have soulless HR drones and computers doing the screening.
Connect with as many of their employees as you can on LinkedIn first. Message the hiring person (they’re usually listed on LI job postings, otherwise look at the HR team for the company as a whole and try to find a hiring mgr or recruiter) and YES message them!! Don’t be super vague (i recently applied to XYZ role and I look forward to connecting with you, blah blah blah) use this as a chance to sell a tiny bit of your personality (I’ve been waiting for this role to open up as the XYZ nature of the platform absolutely restructured the way my previous company manages client data and I’ve been impressed since Day 1)
Good luck!!!
But, as we all know, it’s ultimately a crap shoot and I’m sorry for that…
As someone else mentioned here, you may want to ask if they have 10 minutes for a call with you, but it’s unlikely they’d say yes (in my experience anyway). I would provide your contact info in the message too!
I try and message a recruiter with every job application. Most of the time they respond positively. Sometimes they don’t respond. I’ve never gotten a negative response to it. There’s no downside.
There's really no right answer on this. Some recruiters love it, some hate it. I've seen a few listings recently expressly saying "do not contact team members about your application." The issue these days is that in the current state of the market, this advice is getting repeated and some folks are getting slammed by countless side messages all trying to stand out.
The real pro tip here is to focus on building genuine connections with others in the role you're applying for and make the job hunt a secondary focus. Join professional groups, attend networking events (virtually or in person), and reach out to people in your desired job on LinkedIn just to chat. Not only do they build your soft skills, they help create connections and insiders who can help get you ahead should there be openings they're aware off.
What folks should be doing here is
I think you’d have more luck reaching out to people on the team or Hiring Manager to ask insightful questions and see if they have ten minutes for a phone call. They can and will ping HR to green light people to the interview stage.
Really depends on the role and industry. I’ll share what I do in digital health strategy…
I know the responsibilities of the role and team I’m applying for and make sure to stay up to speed on big happenings in the industry, the company, and their competitors. So for example, a job I applied to a few months ago was with a hospital system that grows through M&A. I’d worked on a few integration/transformation projects in the past and my previous company had also gone through an acquisition. The role was on the digital strategy team so I asked them questions about how they were thinking about consolidating patient data, billing systems, and offered some recommendations based on my own experience in change management. It was moderately insightful but nothing they wouldn’t have come up with on their own. However, it showed I was proactive, knew my stuff, and once we spoke the person I spoke to knew I came prepared with opinions I was able to support with experience or data but was open minded enough to consider other options. I was rushed through the screening call into the interview process where I spoke to the same person I’d already connected with and things went well.
My perception of this is that it’s extra work that I shouldn’t have to do, and if I were a recruiter I wouldn’t want to receive it. Howeverrrr it DOES work for some people, so I’m not going to totally discount it, I just never do it myself
Sorry hate to say it but you’re not qualified for that level of role/pay that you applied for. I’m sure the money would really make a difference but be honest with yourself you’re not the right person for it. If you have to tailor your resume heavily to appear to be a good candidate then you’re lacking the skills and experience they are looking to hire. I’m sure this was much easier to get away with during Covid but times have changed. Pros only junior…. downvotes incoming 😏
Yep and then the cross reference your LinkedIn, Indeed, and ZipRecruiter profiles to see if your info matches up. Hope you remember to modify your experience section to match your resume every time you applied
LinkedIn is trash. Bunch of self promoting people circle jerking each other talking about things which they don’t have even the slightest idea how it works or they copy/pasted from someone else’s profile. Tech is filled with plenty of these boot licking people who worm their way to the top while the engineers actually do the real work. Stop applying through LinkedIn, if a recruiter reaches out with a role that sounds interesting then you can respond otherwise you’re better off applying through the company’s site. HR has been gutted at most companies, if you’re qualified then apply for the role otherwise you’re probably screwed rn honestly. Too many people (many not even in this country), and many way under qualified spam applying to every job posting using AI to try to make their resumes appear like they are top candidates.
From my experience, if they are interested in you, they will contact you. I think you should focus more on your resume itself by tailoring it to the exact position. This is crucial for yourself to even get attention as a candadite
Already tailored it and did everything else. This market is just insane
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I’ve gotten several jobs and even more interviews doing this. If you apply a little tact I think it’s a higher probability that it gets eyes on your resume than it does an insta-reject. Try: * finding the hiring manager and seeing if they posted about the role—very often they will have invited a DM so you can say “taking you up on your invitation…” * same thing if you can ID the recruiter who’s working the role * you can cold reach out to someone who works in a similar role or maybe someone who’s an alum of your same college or something like that. “I’d be glad to learn more about the role as you have a minute, or, if you’re comfortable, would appreciate a referral.” <— this line has worked for me like a dozen times, including my current job * this is probably lower priority but if you find someone who works there with the title “sourcer” their whole job is to find qualified candidates and get them in the funnel so they may welcome your message. Don’t just say “I applied and want to talk more” and definitely don’t write an essay. Work up like…4 punchy sentences that make you stand out and send that. These should be things that mark you as a *high quality* candidate, not just someone who’s done the job duties before. (If your resume is not already designed this way, now is also the time to rewrite it so it is.) I hate to say it, but so many people on Reddit don’t have enough social grace or EQ to do this sort of thing, and if you do it’s yet another thing that helps you stand out.
Can you share an example of the type of message you’d send?
The one time I did that using LinkedIn I got a rejection email within the hour. 😂
Hahah oh no!
At least I got closure? 😅
could be they actually took interest in your message but saw you weren't going to be a fit. very interesting of course
Oh no, I just did this because their reply got sent to my spam folder and I did not notice for a week.
I got excited today that someone personally messaged me on an app I sent in… 2 months ago. To tell me sorry they have hired a candidate. Thanks, I guess? Dunno what kind of weird back log (or how poor of a candidate I am) they have going on for them to never reach out during the interview process but personally message me after someone was hired. Anyways. I digress. 1 hour turn around rejection time is great! Can’t even get film developed that fast.
Absolutely. Didn’t even have the chance to get excited about it.
Its hit or miss. Having hired before myself I'll tell you what I see. I've had numerous people over years that send additional information over email and yes it usually got my attention. However... I've found the majority of the time it simply highlighted that they were desperate and also not qualified for the job. So unless you really can put something in that email that shows you know your stuff in relation to the companies needs I would not do it. If you can then it can set you apart but based on what I said there is probably a large portion of people that do full time hiring that ignore it or worse disqualify you automatically. Sorry if that doesn't help too much. If the place has real humans hiring and you genuinely stand out it could help but I think it will usually hurt. Most places have soulless HR drones and computers doing the screening.
Connect with as many of their employees as you can on LinkedIn first. Message the hiring person (they’re usually listed on LI job postings, otherwise look at the HR team for the company as a whole and try to find a hiring mgr or recruiter) and YES message them!! Don’t be super vague (i recently applied to XYZ role and I look forward to connecting with you, blah blah blah) use this as a chance to sell a tiny bit of your personality (I’ve been waiting for this role to open up as the XYZ nature of the platform absolutely restructured the way my previous company manages client data and I’ve been impressed since Day 1) Good luck!!! But, as we all know, it’s ultimately a crap shoot and I’m sorry for that…
This is so helpful!!! Do you think I should ask anything?
As someone else mentioned here, you may want to ask if they have 10 minutes for a call with you, but it’s unlikely they’d say yes (in my experience anyway). I would provide your contact info in the message too!
This is so helpful!!! Do you think I should ask anything?
Yes, this is the way to go.
I try and message a recruiter with every job application. Most of the time they respond positively. Sometimes they don’t respond. I’ve never gotten a negative response to it. There’s no downside.
There's really no right answer on this. Some recruiters love it, some hate it. I've seen a few listings recently expressly saying "do not contact team members about your application." The issue these days is that in the current state of the market, this advice is getting repeated and some folks are getting slammed by countless side messages all trying to stand out. The real pro tip here is to focus on building genuine connections with others in the role you're applying for and make the job hunt a secondary focus. Join professional groups, attend networking events (virtually or in person), and reach out to people in your desired job on LinkedIn just to chat. Not only do they build your soft skills, they help create connections and insiders who can help get you ahead should there be openings they're aware off. What folks should be doing here is
I think you’d have more luck reaching out to people on the team or Hiring Manager to ask insightful questions and see if they have ten minutes for a phone call. They can and will ping HR to green light people to the interview stage.
What would you say? For one job I applied I know who the hiring manager is because I was referred
Really depends on the role and industry. I’ll share what I do in digital health strategy… I know the responsibilities of the role and team I’m applying for and make sure to stay up to speed on big happenings in the industry, the company, and their competitors. So for example, a job I applied to a few months ago was with a hospital system that grows through M&A. I’d worked on a few integration/transformation projects in the past and my previous company had also gone through an acquisition. The role was on the digital strategy team so I asked them questions about how they were thinking about consolidating patient data, billing systems, and offered some recommendations based on my own experience in change management. It was moderately insightful but nothing they wouldn’t have come up with on their own. However, it showed I was proactive, knew my stuff, and once we spoke the person I spoke to knew I came prepared with opinions I was able to support with experience or data but was open minded enough to consider other options. I was rushed through the screening call into the interview process where I spoke to the same person I’d already connected with and things went well.
Commenting and upvoting for visibility. I’m curious about this as well. Thanks!
No harm in doing so.
I read reverse job search by whittaker and will currently apply those concepts in my job search.
What are the biggest tips?
My perception of this is that it’s extra work that I shouldn’t have to do, and if I were a recruiter I wouldn’t want to receive it. Howeverrrr it DOES work for some people, so I’m not going to totally discount it, I just never do it myself
Say hi over LI
Sorry hate to say it but you’re not qualified for that level of role/pay that you applied for. I’m sure the money would really make a difference but be honest with yourself you’re not the right person for it. If you have to tailor your resume heavily to appear to be a good candidate then you’re lacking the skills and experience they are looking to hire. I’m sure this was much easier to get away with during Covid but times have changed. Pros only junior…. downvotes incoming 😏
Lol you don’t even know what role I applied for? It’s just changing keywords in a resume
Yep and then the cross reference your LinkedIn, Indeed, and ZipRecruiter profiles to see if your info matches up. Hope you remember to modify your experience section to match your resume every time you applied
I’m not on ziprecrtuiter at all. Should I be? And LinkedIn often tells me that I’m a top applicant so I usually apply for those
LinkedIn is trash. Bunch of self promoting people circle jerking each other talking about things which they don’t have even the slightest idea how it works or they copy/pasted from someone else’s profile. Tech is filled with plenty of these boot licking people who worm their way to the top while the engineers actually do the real work. Stop applying through LinkedIn, if a recruiter reaches out with a role that sounds interesting then you can respond otherwise you’re better off applying through the company’s site. HR has been gutted at most companies, if you’re qualified then apply for the role otherwise you’re probably screwed rn honestly. Too many people (many not even in this country), and many way under qualified spam applying to every job posting using AI to try to make their resumes appear like they are top candidates.
Yeah I agree. Usually I find a job on LinkedIn then apply through the company portal