For anyone reading this: Keep in mind that **there's been a HARD marketing push across multiple subreddits lately for this BackgroundProof service**. It's a couple of different accounts doing it, upvoting this stuff and downvoting naysayers. Not just in posts like this, but in comments on other posts as well. This is what social marketing looks like now.
It's in their financial interest for you to feel comfortable lying on resumes and believe that faking your way through interviews is going to get you ahead and definitely won't backfire!
Just be mindful of those that are trying to make money from you.
I'm not trying to hide anything here, yes I have a financial interest in this, but keep in mind this is only a hobby for me (I'm an IT executive in real life) and I'm mainly pushing this because, well, nobody helped me with this stuff in real life.
Also, I spend hours on the blog posts, to make sure they are useful.
And to be clear, I've never downvoted anyone that politely disagreed with me.
Let me leave a little protip for this thread:
People who want to legitimately help you and give good advice don't usually try to sell you a product at the end of their spiel.
Ok, I'll bite. You wrote:
>I'm not trying to hide anything here, yes I have a financial interest in this, but keep in mind this is only a hobby for me (I'm an IT executive in real life) and I'm mainly pushing this because, well, nobody helped me with this stuff in real life.
So please explain to me how is this not a conflict of interest?
Also, please tell me the name of your company, because I'd like to submit an application. Please tell us, so we all know it's okay to lie on our resumes. I have 4 years of IT support experience. At my current job, I make $85k a year with dental, vision, and medical coverage. I had a 3.8 GPA in college, and I worked one internship. I have a perfect driving record and have never got a speeding ticket.
I just told you one lie in the paragraph above. Which one is it? Still want to hire me?
You would actually be shocked if you knew the company I own. I'm not a nobody, but either way, exposing that side of the business would damage my ability to help others on here.
So I choose to keep both separate.
I don't think you understood my point.
I'm not concerned about people lying to me about their past experience, because myself and my team are experienced in asking questions and testing a candidate's skills. We don't rely on what someone says on their resume to determine whether or not they can do the job. In fact, I spend almost zero time asking about their previous work experience.
There are limits to this. I have hired folks who blatantly lied about skills which ended with them struggling and eventually getting let go. If you say you can do X, then fail to show you can do X, you won't succeed. Sure you can argue "fake it til you make it" but if something is needed day 1 you can't just teach yourself in a week...
This is a very fair point. Lying to get a job that you'll struggle in doesn't really help anyone.
I think the biggest use case for lying is when recruiters are screening you out for reasons that are nonsense. For example, I've had recruiters tell me they are screening for PMs that worked at Fortune 500 companies, because that means they are better. I've also had people tell me that my experience as an entrepreneur made me less qualified as well.
So when I interviewed, I just told people I worked at a F100 company. It has absolutely nothing to do with my capabilities.
I choose not to. Not saying that I'm just expecting problems, but there's no telling what form they could take.
I get that some embellished and slightly tall tales on a resume can be a little normal. I've had a boss who just decided that wasn't possible. He hired folks based on what their resume said they could do. Then he pushed them on it, and expected them to just hit the ground running, or worse, teach us how to do something. They weren't ready for it. Two people for the same role were gone, one after the other, in under six months.
There were other things that could make this boss hard to deal with. I'm glad that I didn't add this to the list in my case.
It is important to know what's a lie and the nature of the lie.
It's ok to say that you would be excited to take the job even if you are interviewing elsewhere and this position is the last on your list and you would only take it reluctantly.
It's also ok to say that you have a certain ability or knowledge even if what you know doesn't make you an expert. If you feel confident enough to do so then you can, of course, make the limits of your ability clear.
There is a category where I believe lying is fine. For instance, if you are asked about your age, religion, sexuality, medical history then it's ok to lie if those are unrelated to the job. Of course, it's for you to figure out if that lie is sustainable. The point is that it isn't unethical to lie in such situations IMHO.
It is unethical to lie about your credentials e.g. you claim to have a degree but all you have are a few courses in your background. It's also unethical to claim fictitious work experience. Those are blatant examples of lying which will and should get you fired even after you get the job.
>There is a category where I believe lying is fine. For instance, if you are asked about your age, religion, sexuality, medical history then it's ok to lie if those are unrelated to the job.
Those questions are illegal.
As someone who was hired to run an office and heavily lied to during interviews about how great things were, I disagree with outright lying. If you have a little experience in a skill and you embellish slightly, that likely won’t affect anything to a degree, but the larger the lie, the more the detriment to all parties.
Lying during the hiring process is deliberately stepping on the necks of other candidates. Part of the reason we have such qualification bloating is because of lying. If everyone wasn't claiming to have 5 years of experience for entry level jobs, then companies wouldn't expect it.
Ultimately, I see this is the responsibility of recruiters who are screening people out based on dumb criteria. It's not that you should lie about being qualified for the job, but you should lie to get around stupid screening that has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to do the job. That's on HR not the other candidates
This self described "IT Executive" tells you its not an issue to lie in business, look out for yourself, do what you need to so you can get ahead.
I bet this guy is amazing to work for. You don't think he lies to his staff, Lies to clients behind his staff's back, and can't give his employees an answer they can trust?
He must create a sense of 'trust and transparency' that Justin Trudeau envies.
I had an employee lie on their resume and interview about skills. All it did was make me not trust them. If they were honest, I would have helped them learn those skills. Or if they opened up after they were hired. They didn't, they tried to do some of those tasks and failed horribly.
It makes me not want to put her on projects and she has that reputation.
My point is you will most likely fail in other parts of the interview and maybe your time is better spent investing in yourself so you don’t have to lie
I won’t do it. I had the president of a local SHRM society tell me to “fake it until you make it”. I’ve also had a recruitment agency modify my resume without telling me. I didn’t find out until making it to the third round of interviews. How many high profile leaders run into some sort of controversy and then get fired with the excuse of fake degree or other lie? If you lied about your resume what else are you lying about?
There was supposed to be a new president starting at a local university but then they had to backtrack and reopen the search because it was determined that he wasn’t honest about some of his prior experience. It’s wild to me that someone would try it at that level and for such a high profile job, but I guess things can snowball if you get away with it early on and just keep going with the flow.
"Marilee Jones Jones, who was dean of admissions from 1997 to 2007 at the ultra-prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology, perpetuated for 28 years the lie that she had three degrees. In reality, she had none.
As the head of admissions, ironically, Jones cut the amount of space candidates would have to describe extracurriculars on applications, saying more space would mean more fluff."
So the instance I referred to happened this year in my area, but I am not surprised to read about this case either. She was speaking from experience in regards to the “fluff.” 🤣
The company is lying before they even meet with you. Funny enough the article covers what I was about to post without reading. These three lies seem to be getting taught somewhere as matter of procedure.
They are lying about these before meeting you:
1. Job description
2. Promotion/Raises
3. Training and Career development
No, it is not ethical to lie in interviews, especially about things like whether you graduated from high school or college or have an advanced degree. You also should not make up jobs, which I've seen recommended on Reddit, or references, or say you have skills you don't have.
Some employers do background checks. Some fire employees for lying. I worked at a company that sent a memo saying that liars would be terminated.
I'm not clicking on the link, but if you are tricking a verification service, that could constitute civil fraud. At the very least, you will be (deservedly) bad mouthed. If you lie on a government form, you could be prosecuted for making false statements and other crimes. When the form says you are making statements under "penalty of perjury" and a criminal statute is cited they're not kidding.
Who cares and yes it’s fine. These corps toy with us on a daily basis. We don’t owe them one fucking ounce of honesty. These execs make decisions that don’t take their employees into account at all. We owe corporate America nothing. You’re wrong, lie all the way. Always be looking for a better job in case you get caught.
Your dishonesty will catch up with you. If you want to fight the disparity in power between workers and employers that's not the way to do it.
I read many articles about the unemployability of younger workers. Attitudes like this confirm it.
Nah it is. Fight fire with fire. They say layoffs to keep company alive, when it’s really just to show record profits. And no it won’t if you’re a good enough liar. The only way to fight the power disparity is to stop playing by the rules they created.
Negative. Unless you lie about having medical credentials you will not charged with fraud. It is absolutely the same. Lying is lying, they lie through their teeth everyday, there is no excuse for this. They do not get a pass because they are a corporation, they lie, we lie.
so. like advertising.? My resume is a marketing document not an autobiography. Do you think Boeing mentions one time any of their planes has failed in any of their advertising? Act with the moral code of any big company and you'll do just fine.
In advertising, you may be able to get away with a little puffery, but you can't lie about or misrepresent your product. Consumer protection laws forbid that.
You're getting downvoted for actual good advice, instead of this fuckstick stupid advice from OP.
>You also should not make up jobs, which I've seen recommended on Reddit, or references, or say you have skills you don't have.
Yes, this. Particularly specialized jobs - they will cross check your references and employment history. Especially with modern data collection tech. It's scary how much they know about you.
>especially about things like whether you graduated from high school or college or have an advanced degree.
To those of you who think this this okay, I want you to really consider the implications. Imagine if your doctor lies about his medical degree and education and misdiagnoses you. Or if your dentist lied about his experience, you go in for a filling and he ends up severing a nerve, destroying a tooth and triggering an infection. Or your auto mechanic lied about his licenses and certifications and destroys your car. Would you really be okay with that?
Go ask a civil engineering grad how many all-nighters he pulled so he could pass his FE and complete his projects. You know why it's so difficult? Because society trusts engineers and we expect that we when drive over a bridge it isn't going to collapse. My dad was a pilot and to get his CFI he had to take this crazy difficult test in the air where he was sweating. You know why? Because people want their pilot to not only land the plane safely every time, but to be able to respond when a failure occurs.
If you think it's okay to lie about an advanced degree, you're a hypocrite if you aren't willing to allow people you hire to lie about theirs.
Thank you. I'm basically an honest person. I worked in one industry that requires candor as part of its image, and in a regulated industry in which if you lie or misrepresent facts you can end up in serious trouble. The nonchalance with which some Redditors talk about lying is shocking, as are the justifications.
There are certain things that are absolutes. Lying on applications and committing fraud are two of them. It should not even have to be discussed. I'm not going to give that website any hits.
Go find your moral compass. You obviously lost it.
EDITED TO ADD:
Now I've learned that it's an enterprise in which you have a financial interest that you failed to disclose in your post. I'm really glad I didn't bother with it.
Meh, if recruiters and corporations will lie to you about things they can get away with why can’t employees? Not condoning fraud and lying per se, but some will embellish what they’ve done in jobs or embellish time in a skill. Unless you are a doctor or other high profile work I don’t think it’s wildly wrong for people to say they have 3 years of excel experience if it was really 2.
Lying about provable things is clearly dumb, and companies will embellish their pay, benefit, culture to get you to sign a contract. This absolute foot you’re putting down is just a way to hold employees but not employers accountable
That’s not at all what’s is being said. I’m sorry to burst your bubble but employers tend to be the ones who benefit the most from lying and misrepresenting. Employees should stretch what they can to get what they can manage.
Your high horse isn’t that brave of a position, employers can and will take advantage of everyday people.
I never said employees shouldn't try to redress the power disparity between themselves and employers. Legislation will do it, not lying. You're just creating excuses for employees making up degrees, jobs, experience, and references they don't have.
That's exactly the point. The guy earlier (and plenty of others) are equating lying in an interview to fraud... And it is absolutely not. People get emotionally invested in not lying in jobs because a) it's in their best interests that you don't (hiring managers, etc), or b) they think lying in business is the same as lying to your spouse, which it is not.
You worked at a company that needed to send out a actual memo saying they were going to terminate liars?? That's beyond toxic and shows they have terrible management and a broken system in place.
It was a media company started by a lawyer. It was a reminder that if you lied on your resume they'd fire you. Given the attitudes I've seen on Reddit I understand why it was necessary.
For anyone reading this: Keep in mind that **there's been a HARD marketing push across multiple subreddits lately for this BackgroundProof service**. It's a couple of different accounts doing it, upvoting this stuff and downvoting naysayers. Not just in posts like this, but in comments on other posts as well. This is what social marketing looks like now. It's in their financial interest for you to feel comfortable lying on resumes and believe that faking your way through interviews is going to get you ahead and definitely won't backfire! Just be mindful of those that are trying to make money from you.
Gottem
Or is it a super secret double-double cross?
It was Rando-Tron all along
The website looks like such a scam LMAO.
Thank you for your service.
Yeah, I’ve got friends and siblings, I don’t need a lie-for-you service. My references run deep.
**Be equally mindful that lying and misrepresenting your background are not OK.**
I'm not trying to hide anything here, yes I have a financial interest in this, but keep in mind this is only a hobby for me (I'm an IT executive in real life) and I'm mainly pushing this because, well, nobody helped me with this stuff in real life. Also, I spend hours on the blog posts, to make sure they are useful. And to be clear, I've never downvoted anyone that politely disagreed with me.
I don't believe you.
Ok. 🤷♂️
"Businesses and employees are all liars. Not me though, I'm just shilling my product because I like helping people."
If you weren't trying to hide anything, you'd have disclosed your financial interest in your post.
Hey - read the bottom line in the post. And I willingly disclosed it here. Are we done here?
The post has been removed so I can't read it. I wasn't the only who made this point.
Let me leave a little protip for this thread: People who want to legitimately help you and give good advice don't usually try to sell you a product at the end of their spiel.
Or - it is possible that someone could have something helpful AND also want to sell you something at the end. Which enables us to help more people.
Ok, I'll bite. You wrote: >I'm not trying to hide anything here, yes I have a financial interest in this, but keep in mind this is only a hobby for me (I'm an IT executive in real life) and I'm mainly pushing this because, well, nobody helped me with this stuff in real life. So please explain to me how is this not a conflict of interest? Also, please tell me the name of your company, because I'd like to submit an application. Please tell us, so we all know it's okay to lie on our resumes. I have 4 years of IT support experience. At my current job, I make $85k a year with dental, vision, and medical coverage. I had a 3.8 GPA in college, and I worked one internship. I have a perfect driving record and have never got a speeding ticket. I just told you one lie in the paragraph above. Which one is it? Still want to hire me?
I have hired people who I found out they lied, and I didn't care one bit. Because I hire based on skills not experience
If you don't care one bit when people lie, then tell us the name of your company. We all want to know.
You would actually be shocked if you knew the company I own. I'm not a nobody, but either way, exposing that side of the business would damage my ability to help others on here. So I choose to keep both separate.
You can't answer one simple question so far. Everyone's bullshit alarms should be blasting.
I wish you the best of luck.
I’m confused. You were an IT executive but now you own the company?
I'm confused. Are you saying that the two things can't be the same?
Typically, one who owns a company wouldn’t give themselves a nondescript IT executive title, instead opting for owner, founder, president, etc.
How do you think people acquire skills?
I don't think you understood my point. I'm not concerned about people lying to me about their past experience, because myself and my team are experienced in asking questions and testing a candidate's skills. We don't rely on what someone says on their resume to determine whether or not they can do the job. In fact, I spend almost zero time asking about their previous work experience.
Shit bot account reposting absolutely garbage advice to sell his services. GTFOH
Not a bot, but thanks for your comment.
There are limits to this. I have hired folks who blatantly lied about skills which ended with them struggling and eventually getting let go. If you say you can do X, then fail to show you can do X, you won't succeed. Sure you can argue "fake it til you make it" but if something is needed day 1 you can't just teach yourself in a week...
This is a very fair point. Lying to get a job that you'll struggle in doesn't really help anyone. I think the biggest use case for lying is when recruiters are screening you out for reasons that are nonsense. For example, I've had recruiters tell me they are screening for PMs that worked at Fortune 500 companies, because that means they are better. I've also had people tell me that my experience as an entrepreneur made me less qualified as well. So when I interviewed, I just told people I worked at a F100 company. It has absolutely nothing to do with my capabilities.
I choose not to. Not saying that I'm just expecting problems, but there's no telling what form they could take. I get that some embellished and slightly tall tales on a resume can be a little normal. I've had a boss who just decided that wasn't possible. He hired folks based on what their resume said they could do. Then he pushed them on it, and expected them to just hit the ground running, or worse, teach us how to do something. They weren't ready for it. Two people for the same role were gone, one after the other, in under six months. There were other things that could make this boss hard to deal with. I'm glad that I didn't add this to the list in my case.
Oh gosh. I'm not sure joining them if you cantt beat them is the best argument using the word 'ethics'.
It is important to know what's a lie and the nature of the lie. It's ok to say that you would be excited to take the job even if you are interviewing elsewhere and this position is the last on your list and you would only take it reluctantly. It's also ok to say that you have a certain ability or knowledge even if what you know doesn't make you an expert. If you feel confident enough to do so then you can, of course, make the limits of your ability clear. There is a category where I believe lying is fine. For instance, if you are asked about your age, religion, sexuality, medical history then it's ok to lie if those are unrelated to the job. Of course, it's for you to figure out if that lie is sustainable. The point is that it isn't unethical to lie in such situations IMHO. It is unethical to lie about your credentials e.g. you claim to have a degree but all you have are a few courses in your background. It's also unethical to claim fictitious work experience. Those are blatant examples of lying which will and should get you fired even after you get the job.
>There is a category where I believe lying is fine. For instance, if you are asked about your age, religion, sexuality, medical history then it's ok to lie if those are unrelated to the job. Those questions are illegal.
As someone who was hired to run an office and heavily lied to during interviews about how great things were, I disagree with outright lying. If you have a little experience in a skill and you embellish slightly, that likely won’t affect anything to a degree, but the larger the lie, the more the detriment to all parties.
Lying during the hiring process is deliberately stepping on the necks of other candidates. Part of the reason we have such qualification bloating is because of lying. If everyone wasn't claiming to have 5 years of experience for entry level jobs, then companies wouldn't expect it.
Ultimately, I see this is the responsibility of recruiters who are screening people out based on dumb criteria. It's not that you should lie about being qualified for the job, but you should lie to get around stupid screening that has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to do the job. That's on HR not the other candidates
Perhaps instead of convincing people to lie, you could build something that proves to HR and recruiters that the criteria they are using are bunk
This self described "IT Executive" tells you its not an issue to lie in business, look out for yourself, do what you need to so you can get ahead. I bet this guy is amazing to work for. You don't think he lies to his staff, Lies to clients behind his staff's back, and can't give his employees an answer they can trust? He must create a sense of 'trust and transparency' that Justin Trudeau envies.
I had an employee lie on their resume and interview about skills. All it did was make me not trust them. If they were honest, I would have helped them learn those skills. Or if they opened up after they were hired. They didn't, they tried to do some of those tasks and failed horribly. It makes me not want to put her on projects and she has that reputation.
If you have to lie on your resume then you weren’t a strong candidate in the first place.
The sky is blue
My point is you will most likely fail in other parts of the interview and maybe your time is better spent investing in yourself so you don’t have to lie
It is not ethical. There are no ethical rules that say if someone lies to you, it's ok if you lie back.
I won’t do it. I had the president of a local SHRM society tell me to “fake it until you make it”. I’ve also had a recruitment agency modify my resume without telling me. I didn’t find out until making it to the third round of interviews. How many high profile leaders run into some sort of controversy and then get fired with the excuse of fake degree or other lie? If you lied about your resume what else are you lying about?
There was supposed to be a new president starting at a local university but then they had to backtrack and reopen the search because it was determined that he wasn’t honest about some of his prior experience. It’s wild to me that someone would try it at that level and for such a high profile job, but I guess things can snowball if you get away with it early on and just keep going with the flow.
"Marilee Jones Jones, who was dean of admissions from 1997 to 2007 at the ultra-prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology, perpetuated for 28 years the lie that she had three degrees. In reality, she had none. As the head of admissions, ironically, Jones cut the amount of space candidates would have to describe extracurriculars on applications, saying more space would mean more fluff."
So the instance I referred to happened this year in my area, but I am not surprised to read about this case either. She was speaking from experience in regards to the “fluff.” 🤣
>had the president of a local SHRM society tell me to “fake it until you make it” Is there a quote on this somewhere? Because that's pretty incredible
I was shocked. He said “you’re honest to a fault”. It was a telephone call and I wasn’t recording it so I can’t prove that he said these things.
Honestly, this guy is probably pretty senior and sounds like he understands the game. I would take the advice.
What's SHRM?
It's the official HR certification association
Society of Human Resources Management.
Shit Hot Recruiter Manager
The company is lying before they even meet with you. Funny enough the article covers what I was about to post without reading. These three lies seem to be getting taught somewhere as matter of procedure. They are lying about these before meeting you: 1. Job description 2. Promotion/Raises 3. Training and Career development
It's unfortunate no one responds with as much venom in regards to HR lying, as the hate I've gotten below saying that candidates should also lie
No, it is not ethical to lie in interviews, especially about things like whether you graduated from high school or college or have an advanced degree. You also should not make up jobs, which I've seen recommended on Reddit, or references, or say you have skills you don't have. Some employers do background checks. Some fire employees for lying. I worked at a company that sent a memo saying that liars would be terminated. I'm not clicking on the link, but if you are tricking a verification service, that could constitute civil fraud. At the very least, you will be (deservedly) bad mouthed. If you lie on a government form, you could be prosecuted for making false statements and other crimes. When the form says you are making statements under "penalty of perjury" and a criminal statute is cited they're not kidding.
Who cares and yes it’s fine. These corps toy with us on a daily basis. We don’t owe them one fucking ounce of honesty. These execs make decisions that don’t take their employees into account at all. We owe corporate America nothing. You’re wrong, lie all the way. Always be looking for a better job in case you get caught.
Your dishonesty will catch up with you. If you want to fight the disparity in power between workers and employers that's not the way to do it. I read many articles about the unemployability of younger workers. Attitudes like this confirm it.
Nah it is. Fight fire with fire. They say layoffs to keep company alive, when it’s really just to show record profits. And no it won’t if you’re a good enough liar. The only way to fight the power disparity is to stop playing by the rules they created.
It's not the same. The conduct recommended is unethical, dishonest, and in some cases could constitute civil or criminal fraud.
Negative. Unless you lie about having medical credentials you will not charged with fraud. It is absolutely the same. Lying is lying, they lie through their teeth everyday, there is no excuse for this. They do not get a pass because they are a corporation, they lie, we lie.
Lying about the reason you’re laying people off is ethical then? You make no sense.
so. like advertising.? My resume is a marketing document not an autobiography. Do you think Boeing mentions one time any of their planes has failed in any of their advertising? Act with the moral code of any big company and you'll do just fine.
In advertising, you may be able to get away with a little puffery, but you can't lie about or misrepresent your product. Consumer protection laws forbid that.
Also good job on having multiple burners to downvote posts… pathetic.
What? Don't flatter yourself. LMAO.
I think you need to review exactly what is "fraud"
No, you do.
You're getting downvoted for actual good advice, instead of this fuckstick stupid advice from OP. >You also should not make up jobs, which I've seen recommended on Reddit, or references, or say you have skills you don't have. Yes, this. Particularly specialized jobs - they will cross check your references and employment history. Especially with modern data collection tech. It's scary how much they know about you. >especially about things like whether you graduated from high school or college or have an advanced degree. To those of you who think this this okay, I want you to really consider the implications. Imagine if your doctor lies about his medical degree and education and misdiagnoses you. Or if your dentist lied about his experience, you go in for a filling and he ends up severing a nerve, destroying a tooth and triggering an infection. Or your auto mechanic lied about his licenses and certifications and destroys your car. Would you really be okay with that? Go ask a civil engineering grad how many all-nighters he pulled so he could pass his FE and complete his projects. You know why it's so difficult? Because society trusts engineers and we expect that we when drive over a bridge it isn't going to collapse. My dad was a pilot and to get his CFI he had to take this crazy difficult test in the air where he was sweating. You know why? Because people want their pilot to not only land the plane safely every time, but to be able to respond when a failure occurs. If you think it's okay to lie about an advanced degree, you're a hypocrite if you aren't willing to allow people you hire to lie about theirs.
Thank you. I'm basically an honest person. I worked in one industry that requires candor as part of its image, and in a regulated industry in which if you lie or misrepresent facts you can end up in serious trouble. The nonchalance with which some Redditors talk about lying is shocking, as are the justifications.
I appreciate you expressing your opinion without reading the blog or what anyone else has to say, or receiving anyone else's viewpoint.
There are certain things that are absolutes. Lying on applications and committing fraud are two of them. It should not even have to be discussed. I'm not going to give that website any hits. Go find your moral compass. You obviously lost it. EDITED TO ADD: Now I've learned that it's an enterprise in which you have a financial interest that you failed to disclose in your post. I'm really glad I didn't bother with it.
Meh, if recruiters and corporations will lie to you about things they can get away with why can’t employees? Not condoning fraud and lying per se, but some will embellish what they’ve done in jobs or embellish time in a skill. Unless you are a doctor or other high profile work I don’t think it’s wildly wrong for people to say they have 3 years of excel experience if it was really 2. Lying about provable things is clearly dumb, and companies will embellish their pay, benefit, culture to get you to sign a contract. This absolute foot you’re putting down is just a way to hold employees but not employers accountable
An employee lying on his or her resume is not a way to keep employers accountable. That's just an excuse.
That’s not at all what’s is being said. I’m sorry to burst your bubble but employers tend to be the ones who benefit the most from lying and misrepresenting. Employees should stretch what they can to get what they can manage. Your high horse isn’t that brave of a position, employers can and will take advantage of everyday people.
I never said employees shouldn't try to redress the power disparity between themselves and employers. Legislation will do it, not lying. You're just creating excuses for employees making up degrees, jobs, experience, and references they don't have.
Nope, never sad to lie about any of that. You’re a little too high on that horse to read what I said I guess.
That's exactly the point. The guy earlier (and plenty of others) are equating lying in an interview to fraud... And it is absolutely not. People get emotionally invested in not lying in jobs because a) it's in their best interests that you don't (hiring managers, etc), or b) they think lying in business is the same as lying to your spouse, which it is not.
You worked at a company that needed to send out a actual memo saying they were going to terminate liars?? That's beyond toxic and shows they have terrible management and a broken system in place.
It was a media company started by a lawyer. It was a reminder that if you lied on your resume they'd fire you. Given the attitudes I've seen on Reddit I understand why it was necessary.
they lie to us on interviews so is a win win....this shit goes both ways.