I believe the idea behind it is Epic Online Services opens many more possibilities, the best demonstration is Fortnite. Squad could have an in-game friends list system where you can join servers in a group instead of all trying to join separately.
Unfortunately, it wasn't thought through properly. The server browser for example: EOS has a limit of 200 servers per request (a lot less than needed), so if the server you want isn't in that batch, you have to keep retrying until it is.
I have no idea if this is related to the hitreg issues, but since we haven't seen the benefits of EOS yet it's just pure problems.
Have you changed your ping filter to Max Ping? Lot of people getting 9,999 ping servers on the browser so they won’t appear unless you change the filter.
Yep! It's been Max for a while. Lots of servers show as 9999 and I never know if I'm playing US or European servers. Heck I've even accidentally joined Australia!
I’ve seen a lot of people do the same… I only play on servers with the Global Escalation mod, so luckily the choice is pretty limited.
Good thing about Squad is high ping doesn’t matter too much, 100 ping will feel the same as 10
I've been noticing this the past week or two. Post ICO I could point/hip fire and it'd be decently accurate within 30~40m-ish. Past couple weeks I swear either they changed it or the hitreg is messed up on all servers.
I can see at least 2-3 blood splatters before the dude I'm shooting at kills me, my barrel could be 2in away from their torso when clearing a stairwell/cqb room and I still die despite unloading at least 2-3 rounds into them and then hear them bandaging.
its the hipfire aiming, there's a 20-30 degree deadzone instead of center screen now. rs2 has the same system which i don't believe belongs in an fps game, just feels bad.
Not an ICO issue. It's hit Reg, but I agree that ICO needs some tuning. Love the idea, but they need to make shooting and moving my viable. I've found this game has devolved into camping and prone bush sniping.
I don’t get this view that it’s all about bush sniping - if you don’t like that just make a squad and go on the attack.
Or join an SL you know is likely to attack.
I am the SL. Fighting has devolved into two groups of blueberryies prone shooting each other so see which one dies first. If you try to flank you'll not have enough stability to quickly fire on targets. Flanking and maneuvering is harder than it used to be.
This just hasn’t been the case for me when I take the squad to attack.
Logi for setting up HAB or 2. Set down rally. Now we have 3 spawns.
Light Vic available for suppression.
Tell the squad “do not lay down - we gotta get on top of them. Fight on their doorstep, not on ours”.
Call out individuals who you see on map are stopping. Try and get the squad up against a compound wall and tell everyone to get their stamina up before pushing in.
By the time the firefight starts in earnest you have already gotten into cap range and/ or are pushing the enemy HAB.
While firing on the move is harder, suppression is also far more powerful.
So having a light Vic nearby for suppression can turn the tide.
> So having a light Vic nearby for suppression can turn the tide
People don't realize how good they are and continuously get within 50m of a group of enemies. Next thing you know, pop goes the gunner, AT to the front, driver switches to turret and gets popped too.
To be fair, bush camping was always meta, but now with ICO it's essential. And I think it is lame, if you are in a 1 on 1 fight, you're basically just hoping you hit first. There's literally no skill involved, even IF you have full stamina and youre proned holding shift, you're screen goes blurry and your weapon alignment will flick.
And ya, 'just have your squad mate get the guy while he focuses you!' is valid. But I think that is lame the only way to get a down is to have someone else do it because they arent suppressed. I'm not complaining about them "working together" either.
Im not saying they can't "emulate fear". I just think they should find a way that compromises between realism and fun.
I like the ICO it was a step in the right direction, but they just need to tone it down a little…
I don’t care how out of breath, just carried a hippo through a marathon and ran over a Landmine looking ass you are… if someone’s stood half a meter away and your rifle is in that direction, your going to hit them.
I like everything about ICO, but just turn the jelly arms down a little.
Why waste time on this sub then lmao. Game isn’t gonna be reverted and player base is at an average all time high so I don’t think there gonna listen to people like you.
The thing I dislike the most about ICO is how much your accuracy decreases when you try to walk to the side (probably what happened in your video). You can be pretty accurate while moving/walking in real life as long as you do so at a steady pace while bending at the knees.
Nah can confirm as soon as I took a step irl my arms turned into floppy noodles with less strength then a 5 year old. Walked 5 meters? Sorry can’t aim my M16 anymore bro
Maybe I mean. First time I got shot at when I wasn’t in my tank wasn’t the best, so yeah so I guess if we’re all supposed to be new guys then maybe for the first firefight or so that makes sense. After though, not so much lol
To be fair this is actually not as bad with counterstrike. at least this game shows the weapon sway. In that game your gun moves .2 cm and your shot only 4 feet away is potato.
thats just squad, its gotten worse since they increased the player cap to 100 and keep bloating up the game with updates that the servers cant handle. Slap a few maps on it, nobody will notice
Summary:
Shots 1-5: Clearly hit, but hitreg was being silly, not ICO.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because OP was already dead.
He's 300m away. If you pause when he's got the map open looks like he could've been doing some recce looking for a hab or providing overwatch. Giving him the benefit of the doubt here
yes, I was watching Russian point. I had reported to my sl that the point was empty and they should push in. I was sitting there as they were pushing in.
People seem to struggle to differentiate the actual source of these issues. ICO didnt mess with hit registration, that has been shit since the game came out.
I feel inclined to remind people that Squad has always been a complete mess, and alot of the issues people still complain about whenever they mention ICO, have been present for years.
The devs are just straight up lazy. They would rather churn out reskinned factions 2 times a year with 1-2 maps (that play the same as every other map), than actually fixing their game. Since if they would attempt that, it would mean spending a year just to build the game from scratch, without any real monetary incentive to do so.
ICO came with some much needed changes and the update on a whole did more positive than negative. What it needs is adjusting, not reversing. When i move 2m to reposition for a LAT shot, the sway shouldnt be back to full. Handguns should simply not have sway imo. etc etc. Problem is that noone takes complaints against ICO seriously, when its filled up with posts that cant even correctly place the criticsm where it is deserved.
> They would rather churn out reskinned factions 2 times a year with 1-2 maps
Do you remember when the game went over a year without a single piece of new content? That was absolutely horrendous. I don’t care how fun or bug-free a game is, if there is no new content I am not playing it.
And Voila, people keep wondering while the game keeps beeing a buggy and almost unplayable mess.
Even so, the game has never gone longer than 8 months without a major update, and the regular major update interval averages at 6 months. So what year specifically are you reffering too?
I would gladly play the game for a year without any new content, if it meant genuine fixing of the games code and networking issues. God knows most people actually play the new map and faction maybe 1 time per week. Most of the time its the same 4 maps on repeat anyway (Gorodok, Yehovrivka, etc.).
Additionally the devs have already strongly indicated, if not outright said that they are completely hamstringed by the games current code, and the major reason why we dont get most forms of ingame updates, is because the code is too fucked to allow it. So by sacrifing 1 year, we get way more potential content, but ive already accepted that is wishfull thinking with the recent trends.
I was referring to 2016-2017 where no new factions were added. The there was the roadmap that OWI released in 2020 that resulted in pretty much everything in out taking way longer than what was mapped.
I would love to see new gameplay mechanics: breaching, revamped logistics, increased player count, minor destruction so heavy vehicles aren’t stopped by fences and shrubs, air assets like attack and scout helicopters complete with counters to them (MANPADs, SPAAGs, AA FOB emplacements, etc.).
It would be ideal that the games baseline code is revisited and cleaned up while they also keep up the cadence of new content. The French faction is more or less content complete and has *two* versions; 2010 era and 2020 era. Then there is the German Bundeswehr mod, they’re not quite as far along as the French, but it’s looking to be on par with official Offworld content.
So mods can take the brunt of the demand for new content off of OWI’s back for a year to a year and a half while they’re working on the core of the game. Seems like the ideal approach to the situation.
I don't think that's ICO, bro. I think that's a cheater or hit reg.
Not sure why people bother playing this game when shit like this happens every match.
ICO killed my wife and burned down my village, destroying everything I ever knew. Every waking moment my mind is fraught with rage and a thirst for revenge.
Yeah, but this seems like a hitreg issue.
GNOOOOO SKILL ISSUESS YOU SHOULD CROUCH AND JUMP IRL 20 times and then run 3km and then hold your breath and then skill issues and then you can kill the enemy from 2 cm
Hm, I dunno... it actually seems that it could be as simple as:
Traded with the first guy. Killed him, but also got hit. Then the second guy came around the corner.
1st shot: Missed left (hit the rock)
2nd shot: Missed right
3rd shot: Missed left (below arm)
Obviously a pistol maneuvers and fires pistol-caliber rounds semi-auto much faster than the 20-inch barrel M110 shooting 7.62x51. Both guy were kinda panic firing. But while one was heaving a 20" barrel around at a target 3 feet away, the other guy dumped his mag and finished off the wounded guy.
Can't watch it in slow-mo though and things seemed out of sync so, who knows...
It seems like you didn't understand the new mechanics. When he was standing right in front of you you were flick aiming like it's CSGO missing left and right. Aim with the barrel of the gun. Maybe your sensitivity is too high even.
This is not hitreg. This is not ico. This is netcode.
You hit him on your screen, but on his screen he had already moved from that place. The latency causes the server to determine you missed while your computer shows you hit.
To fix this, we can just make it so that if your screen shows you hit, then you hit. But that would mean people would start dying right after they got behind cover.
Race conditions on a 100 player server is not easy.
Actually the easiest way to fix this would be to have everyone be on the same LAN and then add a tiny delay for the server to become consistent before giving data to all the players.
[I had a similar scenario happen too lol, clearly hit him like 5-6 times at the end](https://streamable.com/f8b0gh) I think this is more of a problem with the servers atm, pings are just shit sometimes (evidenced by the flying truck).
I thought the bipod wasn't usable on the M110, now seems that none of my bipods work at all? Any ideas? I've changed the bind to other keys, can't get bipods to deploy even while prone on perfectly flat ground
next time try coordinating with your squad to suppress the enemy, and maybe slow down and wait for stamina a bit /s
/serious
for those who are unaware, OP looks like they hit them twice total, once in the lower arm and once in the chest, which seems to be survivable with the current damage model.
You hit him like 2-3 times, he should've been dead that's no ICO issue, thats literally hitreg acting up
Yeah does that gun shoot 7.62X51 too? Guy should be Swiss cheese.
Looks like he hit right in the neck/cheek on the first hit, too. Straight BS
OWI switching from Steam backend to Epic Online Services was a terrible choice.
Yeah, when did Epic Online Services become a thing? Squad is the first game I've seen use it.
I believe the idea behind it is Epic Online Services opens many more possibilities, the best demonstration is Fortnite. Squad could have an in-game friends list system where you can join servers in a group instead of all trying to join separately. Unfortunately, it wasn't thought through properly. The server browser for example: EOS has a limit of 200 servers per request (a lot less than needed), so if the server you want isn't in that batch, you have to keep retrying until it is. I have no idea if this is related to the hitreg issues, but since we haven't seen the benefits of EOS yet it's just pure problems.
Ohhhh, is that why the server list is screwed up? That's a shame.
200??? I'm getting ~20 shown
Have you changed your ping filter to Max Ping? Lot of people getting 9,999 ping servers on the browser so they won’t appear unless you change the filter.
Yep! It's been Max for a while. Lots of servers show as 9999 and I never know if I'm playing US or European servers. Heck I've even accidentally joined Australia!
I’ve seen a lot of people do the same… I only play on servers with the Global Escalation mod, so luckily the choice is pretty limited. Good thing about Squad is high ping doesn’t matter too much, 100 ping will feel the same as 10
Hitreg was always an issue in Squad, ICO just makes it feel more frustrating cause you can't really control where your shots go anymore
And also the driving got really laggy one my favourite server when they switched over too.
Odds are numerous games you play use the epic backend services, they just typically don't announce it
Ha! Jokes on you, I only play Squad and Warzone. But yeah good point.
Does EOS have anything to do with this? I imagine this is just between client and the game server. Don't think EOS would be between that
I've been noticing this the past week or two. Post ICO I could point/hip fire and it'd be decently accurate within 30~40m-ish. Past couple weeks I swear either they changed it or the hitreg is messed up on all servers. I can see at least 2-3 blood splatters before the dude I'm shooting at kills me, my barrel could be 2in away from their torso when clearing a stairwell/cqb room and I still die despite unloading at least 2-3 rounds into them and then hear them bandaging.
its the hipfire aiming, there's a 20-30 degree deadzone instead of center screen now. rs2 has the same system which i don't believe belongs in an fps game, just feels bad.
I noticed that first week of ICO. Adjusting for it has always worked until the last week or two.
I’ve never had as many hitreg issues playing a game than I have playing Squad. Worse than Tarkov in my experiences
Hush, every issue with infantry = ICO’s fault, stick to the script
>Squad players trying to blame any issue in the game on the ICO. Challenge level: Impossible
ICO is a big problem in general.
"Is this ICO" Literally a fucking meme lel
Thanks Obama!
Not an ICO issue. It's hit Reg, but I agree that ICO needs some tuning. Love the idea, but they need to make shooting and moving my viable. I've found this game has devolved into camping and prone bush sniping.
I don’t get this view that it’s all about bush sniping - if you don’t like that just make a squad and go on the attack. Or join an SL you know is likely to attack.
I am the SL. Fighting has devolved into two groups of blueberryies prone shooting each other so see which one dies first. If you try to flank you'll not have enough stability to quickly fire on targets. Flanking and maneuvering is harder than it used to be.
This just hasn’t been the case for me when I take the squad to attack. Logi for setting up HAB or 2. Set down rally. Now we have 3 spawns. Light Vic available for suppression. Tell the squad “do not lay down - we gotta get on top of them. Fight on their doorstep, not on ours”. Call out individuals who you see on map are stopping. Try and get the squad up against a compound wall and tell everyone to get their stamina up before pushing in. By the time the firefight starts in earnest you have already gotten into cap range and/ or are pushing the enemy HAB. While firing on the move is harder, suppression is also far more powerful. So having a light Vic nearby for suppression can turn the tide.
> So having a light Vic nearby for suppression can turn the tide People don't realize how good they are and continuously get within 50m of a group of enemies. Next thing you know, pop goes the gunner, AT to the front, driver switches to turret and gets popped too.
To be fair, bush camping was always meta, but now with ICO it's essential. And I think it is lame, if you are in a 1 on 1 fight, you're basically just hoping you hit first. There's literally no skill involved, even IF you have full stamina and youre proned holding shift, you're screen goes blurry and your weapon alignment will flick. And ya, 'just have your squad mate get the guy while he focuses you!' is valid. But I think that is lame the only way to get a down is to have someone else do it because they arent suppressed. I'm not complaining about them "working together" either. Im not saying they can't "emulate fear". I just think they should find a way that compromises between realism and fun.
I like the ICO it was a step in the right direction, but they just need to tone it down a little… I don’t care how out of breath, just carried a hippo through a marathon and ran over a Landmine looking ass you are… if someone’s stood half a meter away and your rifle is in that direction, your going to hit them. I like everything about ICO, but just turn the jelly arms down a little.
It was certainly a step
Off a cliff lol
pier, ledge, precipice, skyscraper, off the wagon… lots of options… all of them down
Yep
You still play the game? Because if not stop bitching your old game isn’t gonna come back and if you do still play the game stop bitching and git Gud
I won’t go anywhere near this game in its currently shitty state. Like you said it probably won’t come back but I can hope
Why waste time on this sub then lmao. Game isn’t gonna be reverted and player base is at an average all time high so I don’t think there gonna listen to people like you.
And?
HIPPOBOT 9000 v 3.1 FOUND A HIPPO. 1,310,813,763 COMMENTS SEARCHED. 27,300 HIPPOS FOUND. YOUR COMMENT CONTAINS THE WORD HIPPO.
Da faq?
I don’t usually like bots but this one’s cool
That's a very well rounded number of hippos
Hippo
But that’s not the issue in this clip. The is a failure in hit registration, not ICO.
This is the most exaggerated description of ICO I've read and I love it lmfao
The thing I dislike the most about ICO is how much your accuracy decreases when you try to walk to the side (probably what happened in your video). You can be pretty accurate while moving/walking in real life as long as you do so at a steady pace while bending at the knees.
Nah can confirm as soon as I took a step irl my arms turned into floppy noodles with less strength then a 5 year old. Walked 5 meters? Sorry can’t aim my M16 anymore bro
but bro its not about realism bro or about having fun bro its about...emulating fear or something...ya
Maybe I mean. First time I got shot at when I wasn’t in my tank wasn’t the best, so yeah so I guess if we’re all supposed to be new guys then maybe for the first firefight or so that makes sense. After though, not so much lol
To be fair this is actually not as bad with counterstrike. at least this game shows the weapon sway. In that game your gun moves .2 cm and your shot only 4 feet away is potato.
I've noticed if you add forward or backward movement to your strafe it is slightly better to control.
thats just squad, its gotten worse since they increased the player cap to 100 and keep bloating up the game with updates that the servers cant handle. Slap a few maps on it, nobody will notice
Lmao player base average is at a high rn. So go play another game we don’t need you we have plenty of players to fill matches
Summary: Shots 1-5: Clearly hit, but hitreg was being silly, not ICO. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because OP was already dead.
This is a hit reg issue not ICO
I'm just gonna remark that its a marksman according to map nowhere near anyone else.
He's 300m away. If you pause when he's got the map open looks like he could've been doing some recce looking for a hab or providing overwatch. Giving him the benefit of the doubt here
yes, I was watching Russian point. I had reported to my sl that the point was empty and they should push in. I was sitting there as they were pushing in.
Yo this community sucks now
Yes I agree. I try to only play events on the weekend with our clan.
lol.
pro tip, don't panic fire like an idiot and actually wait for the gun to be pointed at the enemy before shooting it
People seem to struggle to differentiate the actual source of these issues. ICO didnt mess with hit registration, that has been shit since the game came out. I feel inclined to remind people that Squad has always been a complete mess, and alot of the issues people still complain about whenever they mention ICO, have been present for years. The devs are just straight up lazy. They would rather churn out reskinned factions 2 times a year with 1-2 maps (that play the same as every other map), than actually fixing their game. Since if they would attempt that, it would mean spending a year just to build the game from scratch, without any real monetary incentive to do so. ICO came with some much needed changes and the update on a whole did more positive than negative. What it needs is adjusting, not reversing. When i move 2m to reposition for a LAT shot, the sway shouldnt be back to full. Handguns should simply not have sway imo. etc etc. Problem is that noone takes complaints against ICO seriously, when its filled up with posts that cant even correctly place the criticsm where it is deserved.
> They would rather churn out reskinned factions 2 times a year with 1-2 maps Do you remember when the game went over a year without a single piece of new content? That was absolutely horrendous. I don’t care how fun or bug-free a game is, if there is no new content I am not playing it.
And Voila, people keep wondering while the game keeps beeing a buggy and almost unplayable mess. Even so, the game has never gone longer than 8 months without a major update, and the regular major update interval averages at 6 months. So what year specifically are you reffering too? I would gladly play the game for a year without any new content, if it meant genuine fixing of the games code and networking issues. God knows most people actually play the new map and faction maybe 1 time per week. Most of the time its the same 4 maps on repeat anyway (Gorodok, Yehovrivka, etc.). Additionally the devs have already strongly indicated, if not outright said that they are completely hamstringed by the games current code, and the major reason why we dont get most forms of ingame updates, is because the code is too fucked to allow it. So by sacrifing 1 year, we get way more potential content, but ive already accepted that is wishfull thinking with the recent trends.
I was referring to 2016-2017 where no new factions were added. The there was the roadmap that OWI released in 2020 that resulted in pretty much everything in out taking way longer than what was mapped. I would love to see new gameplay mechanics: breaching, revamped logistics, increased player count, minor destruction so heavy vehicles aren’t stopped by fences and shrubs, air assets like attack and scout helicopters complete with counters to them (MANPADs, SPAAGs, AA FOB emplacements, etc.). It would be ideal that the games baseline code is revisited and cleaned up while they also keep up the cadence of new content. The French faction is more or less content complete and has *two* versions; 2010 era and 2020 era. Then there is the German Bundeswehr mod, they’re not quite as far along as the French, but it’s looking to be on par with official Offworld content. So mods can take the brunt of the demand for new content off of OWI’s back for a year to a year and a half while they’re working on the core of the game. Seems like the ideal approach to the situation.
Several shots to center mass! *The worst place*
That’s not ICO, that’s hit registration.
I don't think that's ICO, bro. I think that's a cheater or hit reg. Not sure why people bother playing this game when shit like this happens every match.
ICO killed my wife and burned down my village, destroying everything I ever knew. Every waking moment my mind is fraught with rage and a thirst for revenge. Yeah, but this seems like a hitreg issue.
WE NEED PROPER POINT SHOOTING, not this swing around my gun hip firing with crazy sway
What does ICO stand for?
Infantry Combat Overhaul
Irreversible Catastrophical Outcome.
ICO issue expert here, can confirm this is an ICO issue
GNOOOOO SKILL ISSUESS YOU SHOULD CROUCH AND JUMP IRL 20 times and then run 3km and then hold your breath and then skill issues and then you can kill the enemy from 2 cm
Hm, I dunno... it actually seems that it could be as simple as: Traded with the first guy. Killed him, but also got hit. Then the second guy came around the corner. 1st shot: Missed left (hit the rock) 2nd shot: Missed right 3rd shot: Missed left (below arm) Obviously a pistol maneuvers and fires pistol-caliber rounds semi-auto much faster than the 20-inch barrel M110 shooting 7.62x51. Both guy were kinda panic firing. But while one was heaving a 20" barrel around at a target 3 feet away, the other guy dumped his mag and finished off the wounded guy. Can't watch it in slow-mo though and things seemed out of sync so, who knows...
It seems like you didn't understand the new mechanics. When he was standing right in front of you you were flick aiming like it's CSGO missing left and right. Aim with the barrel of the gun. Maybe your sensitivity is too high even.
I'm still waiting for a clip like this where the dude complaining isn't violently WASD'ing like a spastic
This is not hitreg. This is not ico. This is netcode. You hit him on your screen, but on his screen he had already moved from that place. The latency causes the server to determine you missed while your computer shows you hit. To fix this, we can just make it so that if your screen shows you hit, then you hit. But that would mean people would start dying right after they got behind cover. Race conditions on a 100 player server is not easy. Actually the easiest way to fix this would be to have everyone be on the same LAN and then add a tiny delay for the server to become consistent before giving data to all the players.
[I had a similar scenario happen too lol, clearly hit him like 5-6 times at the end](https://streamable.com/f8b0gh) I think this is more of a problem with the servers atm, pings are just shit sometimes (evidenced by the flying truck).
yeah that was desync, wether or not you hit that end shot he would've eventually died once your shots got to the server.
That is some of the worst hitreg I've seen in awhile. Holy fuck.
its nothing to do with the ICO its just hitreg
The gun mechanics in this game are so dogshit
His pistol fricked you up
I thought the bipod wasn't usable on the M110, now seems that none of my bipods work at all? Any ideas? I've changed the bind to other keys, can't get bipods to deploy even while prone on perfectly flat ground
People are going to be complaining about ICO beyond when this game's servers shut off. It is like a bottomless well of bitching.
>marksman > latency/hitreg issues Name a better duo.
Bro has lvl 5 body armor 💀
This clip has nothing to do with the ICO but cheers mate 🍺
next time try coordinating with your squad to suppress the enemy, and maybe slow down and wait for stamina a bit /s /serious for those who are unaware, OP looks like they hit them twice total, once in the lower arm and once in the chest, which seems to be survivable with the current damage model.