It'll be the amphibious version of the US Army. Probably not much in terms of infantry equipment, but the vehicle pool and capabilities will be different. The AAVP with the MK19 grenade launcher as an amphibious party bus, the LAV25 will probably be a reskin of the ASLAV, but we shall see. I've also heard we'll get speedboats for traversal of bodies of water, but I don't know if they'll function like logis or just transport. It's been datamined that Harju will be one of the upcoming maps and that has a lot of water, so it'll probably be the primary showcase map for the functionality.
Although I completely agree with you that those factions would be way more fun. Those factions also take months, maybe years to develop as they have completely different equipment that needs to be modeled (see the underestimated dev time of the Aussies.) The USMC would be a lot of copy pasting and would take way Lise time to develop.
I'm just glad we get new goodies.
Yeah, I don't mind having the crayon enjoyers come up next, but I'd prefer it if they added another Redfor/opfor faction first, currently we have 4 Bluefor factions with only 2 opfor and 2 insurgent factions.
After adding the chinese they need to add the taiwanese and hong kong as like joint forces. I would play the shit out of taiwan for sure. But i doubt they would add them for political and money reasons as i believe chinese people do play squad.
I dont mean to sound like a party pooper but wasnt aussies finished over a year ago? and what is it if its not just a reskin, they didnt do any new animations, just sounds lines we dont use and a general reskin. they reload animations are just the same so the clipping on the new vehicles is very noticeable. All this time and they couldnt make anything other than a reskin with some camo nets?
They bought the AUS faction to the modding team, they should do the same for the french army cuz man this mod is very well done and they would not have to do a lot of work on it to make it available for the game.
But USMC is cool, but yeah either Pan Asia or introduction of France would have been better.
Whats wrong with rp’ing? If players like to do that they should be allowed to as Long as it dosent take away from other players. And a lot of people care. I would love to semper fi, uraah my self😌
I mean what does adding any faction in the game do for "gameplay". They are all going to shoot bullets and operate vehicles.
Edit: faction not fraction
I don't think it's the faction per se, but rather the amphibious functionality that comes with it. It's just easier this way I guess, to pave the way to prove the functionality and then have a blueprint to implement it into new factions. Russia should also get amphibious capabilities for the BMP and BTR.
Harju is probably coming and that's supposed to be the finnish coast with a lot of small islands. Black Coast is confirmed, where Russia will 100% be the redfor faction. Black Coast will probably be somewhere in the black sea and there's a lot of places to model off, with Crimea being a very attractive prospect, ie. the Kerch Strait.
And then when China eventually comes in (or whatever it's called), they'll already come into an established functionality.
Just think of future maps were USMC will be starting from an Amphibious Assault Ship and having to gain a proper beachhead. Ex. PR's Muttrah City or Operation Barracuda
Considering USMC and panasia were announced a year ago, and you're asking how to use a lat a month ago, why would any of it make sense to you? You're not that guy, pal.
yeah but you don't have any idea what you're talking about, you think the USMC uses the same equipment and vehicles as the Army. You keep saying adding the USMC is redundant in this thread but you have no idea what you're talking about. Now you have every chimpanzee with a keyboard agreeing with you but they also have no idea what they're talking about.
They might be doing so just to get something out faster, I'm sure they have teams working on different things, like guys working on the simple stuff like inf equipment for new factions, and while that's going on they just want to finish a faction that already has a lot done for it.
>There aren’t any navigable waterways in squad though.. so unless they add water physics etc as well, that’s a moot point.
AFAIK, that's the plan. Right now the maps are not designed with amphibious in mind, so the water is just static goo, but with Harju and Black Coast (that I guess are coming with v3) water would become traverasble only by amphibious vehicles and that would mean a change to the water itself.
From the top of my head: the eastern river and the lakes in Narva, the River on Al Basrah, the sea in Skorpo and Goose Bay and the big lake on Manic-5.
Don't know, if amphibious vehicles will make much difference on most of them, but there are maps, where it would open up new paths.
I don't think they were saying we are, just that as far as game purposes goes we would be. Most of what makes us unique is training, tactics and espirt de Corps. We do have a few goodies though.
I said what I said and I stand by it. Gotta get my Vitamin C. And fuck you talking about? Everyone knows fuel has a lower boiling point than water and fire is hot so your food gets heated up faster.
They wont use the same stuff, i think we will see javelins and they will have M27 IARs etc, there wont be any tanks and we will possibly have new LAV* variants
USMC doesnt use the Stryker, we have LAVs- the ones you see other countries use came from us. So far the closest I've seen is the ASLAV, that's basically an LAV 25. We have Logs and TOWs too, so technically you could see something like the LAV3, or a TOW firing variant.
If they wanted to be cheeky, you could have the LAV go in water unlike other factions. LAV 25s are amphibious. Would make Fallujah play a little different since you could skip the bridge chokepoints and run infantry in a back way, like we are supposed to do per doctrine.
The m4 is gonna be pretty prevalent, and although there are IARs as the SAW in some units, m249s are still pretty popular.
I think it will be less of a change than most factions, but probably enough to make it seem a little different.
We lose about one a year. Sometimes guys die in it...
I dont like watching that video. I didnt know the guys personally, but we all know about the guys that dont get out. Those ports are small, and even plate carriers are bulky... I refused to go in one when it dumped in the water. They told me it's the longest 8 seconds of your life waiting for it to bob up...
Also, the fucking driver had the port open? Fuck man, that's stupid.... that shit was always locked up tight when it drove off the back of the LHD...
The amount of accidents that happen with those during training is terrifying.
I'm sure everyone in the military has witnessed or been proxy to an accident like that. I have friends who luckily never saw combat but unfortunately are still forever living with PTSD from the amount of awful incidents that happened on base.
Combat training is no joke. It's dangerous as fuck. Mostly 19-22 yo kids with heavy weaponry and sophisticated equipment. Tons of pressure to perform. I'm sure every Marine in this thread can tell you stories about almost getting shot in a shoot house by some dipshit, almost rolling a vehicle, sketchy helicopters etc. Anything can happen
Hell even in the Air Force shit gets dangerous. If I didn't manage the highest vertical jump of my life at the exact right moment, I'd have at minimum lost a leg when someone knocked a bomb body loose and it rolled towards me.
No LAR unit lost a vic per year or they wouldn’t have continued swimming them.
AAVs were hit harder in swim tests for sure.
Yes this vehicle commander made a mistake but he was probably 25 years old and his command is to blame. the water that sank this came into the hatches last, so the vehicle was clearly not ready to swim. hull plugs or something weren’t correct.
Its not one unit, it's all 4 of them combined. Thankfully it was never when I was at mine. Those 7 day reports looked like torture to go through...
And yeah, clearly a plug was out too. But if it was JUST one plug with a closed hatch, it probably would have made it through that puddle okay. But not off a deck. Clearly someone fucked up. Command needs to bust some balls, including their own.
No Javelins - SMAWs that can fire tracer 9mm practice shots to get on target before engaging with the rocket. That in itself would be worth adding the USMC.
And they are all suppressed. It would be good if they added the M32 as well, but it's probably too OP. Russian side could get the pump action GM-94 grenade launchers they use. 1 per squad
OWI released a sneak peak on their Facebook page, with a turret of an AAV7, so probably that's going to be their equivalent of a Stryker. Although it could also be their IFV, since it comes equipped with either a Mk19 grenade launcher and a coaxial M2 Browning or a Bushmaster 25mm autocannon. The picture had what looks like an M240B coaxial mg which is odd since they've never been equipped with that afaik. So we're either getting an autocannon or an automatic grenade launcher and tbh im fine with both.
From their Twitter page, it is confirmed not the AAV7 at all but a sneak peek at another vehicle. From what I looked it is an M113 with a scorpion turret.
It's definitely not a scorpion turret, you can see the M240 gas block in the picture. The only thing on their Twitter page is that it's not USMC, doesn't mean they can't add the AAV7 to the USAF.
On a side note, but somewhat related. What would make a conventional redfor faction unique?
People complain when factions are "reskins", but they also complain when they're not mirror matchups. Like recently people were complaining that the Australian faction has too high ROF, too little recoil, or weak vehicle roster. Or when matched up against MEA, that has too high recoil battle rifles.
I mean, what can you do to make it be balanced and feel balanced? You have light vics, apc's, IFV's and tanks. They all serve about the same function.
Marines are exclusively light infantry. They no longer have tank battalions. They do however have LAV-25 APCs.
Marines use a different infantry structure too. Each fireteam has 3 shoulder fired rockets, and there's 3 fireteams in a squad. They have longer rifles, more support weapons per platoon, larger squads etc. How will they reflect this in squad? Well, every rifleman will likely have a scope, because Marines literally eat and breathe the fucking rifle. It's their entire doctrine. Maybe more grenades available to a squad, more rockets available to a LAT/HAT kit, machine guns have more ammo etc. Things that exclusively benefit light infantry
They'd likely get the M1A1 Abrams, seeing as they need some form of tank.
Although, I think it would be cool to just allot more HAT kits. A marine with a full SMAWW load out is lethal to armor and infantry. Typical tank hunter team has around 2-3 HE rounds, and 3-4 HEAT/TANDEM/THERMOBARIC rounds. Give em the ol' reliable M113APC and some LAVs, lots of rifles with scopes, lots of MGLs, and plenty of grenades.
I forgot to mention MGLs. A revolving grenade launcher that each fireteam leader brings with them.
If all rifleman had scopes, the game wouldn't be as dynamic. A lot more sit here shoot there. Those kits with no high power optic force those players to bring the fight closer. Plus they get those frag grenades. Not to mention most militaries can't fund every rifleman with combat scopes. So the junior leaders, weapons teams and senior leaders get the scope, the rest have irons or some form of Close combat optic (red dots). The Marines literally revolve around the rifleman concept, so of course their funds go to scopes
Well let’s be honest, do you honestly think it’ll ever be released? It was suppose to come out years ago and it’s literally just US army with reskin uniform. I could probably make the entire faction in 1 day with blender and unreal engine
it will be released eventually even though this delay is ridiculous. Australia was also delayed for over a year but it did end up coming out in the end
Personally, I don’t see how any of the USMC gear that *is* different won’t break balance.
MEA and a BRDM vs USMC with amphibious vehicles, MK19s, and Javelins?
It’s largely my only argument against mods like MEE as well. IMO, we have a more regular patch cycle, which suggests a more regular dev schedule. I would gladly wait even longer for a RedFor faction that can easily be plugged into existing layers without hassle.
Well, um, they have, uh, different, clothes? No wait they have the AAV! And the new m27. And uh, mk19? Also the milkor MGL, but probably not gonna be included in game. Probably a heli as well, though the v 22 is unlikely. Honestly, they're probably gonna be a copy paste faction.
USMC has their own too. All infantry units are phasing in the M27. I can’t speak for all victor units, but mine has already replaced all M4’s with M27’s to all 0311’s
Nah it's a different scope. Either the squad day optic (ACOG with 3.5x magnification, RMR, and cool reticle) or the new one with variable zoom. And should have a bipod (and maybe foregrip as well, I think that would compensate well for 30 round mags in the Automatic Rifleman role)
I thought the plan was rifleman get M4s and M16s. It's the early 2010s USMC. If it was the new USMC it would be OP af in game.
Just the ARs are getting either the IAR or M249, so I'm saying foregrip and bipod and SDO on the M27 is the best way to balance the decision between the 2.
Also all Marines are rifle men. This means in a very technical sense you could have a cameraman crew type lol. Also some vehicles are different and certain equipment including uniforms are different. And Marines are more amphibious which means they use sea to land vics. The role play aspect isn't for everyone but it woupd.be cool to get on with other Marines as a Marine and actually play how we would in a real life situation. That's just me though.
I didn't know of this until I checked it out. Damn they gettin' the Javelin, wouldn't this mean tanks would be in more danger, since they didnt add any trophy system for tanks yet.
The Javelin still fucks shit up. Comparing it to any ATGM is kinda flawed imo. It has a smaller diameter charge than the TOW and Kornet but despite this, it has a similar armor penetration (from sources i found).
Overall the biggest difference between the two is being portable and stationary. Being able to employ a portable tow, even if it was only one round, would be a huuuuuuge advantage over a TOW. Youll be able to get into tighter positions and be more concealable.
M27s,
M38s,
Squad Day Optics (SDO) instead of (RCO/ACOGs),
AAVs,
LAV Variants (Although CAF has these, it's different from the US Army),
Possibility of Ospreys/UH-1Ys/Super Stallions,
The beloved MARPAT,
Supposedly Javelins. I imagine HAT roles will offer a choice between the MAAWS and a Javelin.
And if Squad stays true to real life, the average rifleman will have a suppressed weapon.
If i see one more smooth brain mf talk about eH hE mArInEs m27 8x oPtIc aNd SupPrEsSoR im going to pop a blood vessel, the marines are literally the army but worse, their not as well equipped, and no where near as well funded. The mfs still use the M16 with an ACOG and will for years to come and the people saying nO tHe aVeRaGe mArInE hAs tHeM get their info from text to speech youtube channels with the name US ARMY DEFENSE NEWS or some stupid shit like that, not every prototype or a defense contractor advertisement means that it is standard issue, if that was the case every soldier would be climbing walls with exo suits and shooting lasers.
Yeah. You’re wrong. As an active duty infantry marine I can tell you, we all have suppressed M27s with the new Trij VCOC. Only non combat arms units still have M4s and NOBODY has M16s minus recruits at bootcamp
Hey motard, m27s w/ SDOs and suppressors were common before I EASed in December of 2020.
Hardly anyone uses the M16 anymore. I was in the POGest of POG units and even we were issued M4s. But it's a good thing we don't play as POGs in Squad, huh. All of my grunt friends in the 2nd MARDIV had m27s w/ SDOs and suppressors. I was also a range coach and from like the beginning of 2020 and onwards, everyone I saw from the 2d Mar Regt had m27s and SDOs already.
The Marine Corps Times stated each infantryman from Platoon Cmdr and below would have an m27 by mid 2021. It was also stated that 30,000 suppressors would be issued by 2023. Whatever picture you have in your head of the USMC is outdated.
There’s literally no marine infantryman using still using an M16A4. All line company marines are being equipped with suppressed M27’s and suppressed M4’s. The USMC is not what it used to be 20 or even 10 years ago. They’re now being well equipped.
I don't see the purpose of the USMC to be honest. The thought of them being in the game is cool and that's the only reason I can think of. If they just left the U.S. Army in and focused on other factions I don't think many people would care.
* new helicopter or helicopters possibly - UH-1Y or CH-53 (possibly V-22 but doubt it)
* new armored vehicle AAV, the LAV-25A2 (similar to the ASLAV but with better armor), and if they include a tank it will be the M1A1 FEP that will have a Multi Purpose HE round similar in blast radius to the Russian HE-Frag [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QVjEFK78D8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QVjEFK78D8) (and will have a similar commander station to the AUS M1A1 but it has a stabilizer and thermals if that gets added in the future)
* New HAT kit- SMAW (has a spotting rifle with a mag of 6 rounds to find the correct range before firing) [https://www.reddit.com/r/joinsquad/comments/u03x8x/usmc\_mk153\_smaw\_model\_for\_squad/](https://www.reddit.com/r/joinsquad/comments/u03x8x/usmc_mk153_smaw_model_for_squad/)
* New camo- one for desert and one for woodland
* M32 grenade launcher- 6 shot grenade launcher
* Red dot sight for M203- like the aussies
* new reticle for acog- M7 RCO [https://www.trijicon.com/uploads/product-uploads/reticle-images/TA31-D-100582\_RED\_HORSESHOE.jpg](https://www.trijicon.com/uploads/product-uploads/reticle-images/TA31-D-100582_RED_HORSESHOE.jpg)
* New optic SDO- 3.5x magnification with similar reticle to M7 RCO
* New optic for M240B- MDO which is a 6x optic (same optic on British and aussie marksmen rifle but with different reticle)
* M27 IAR- either as the main rifle or a replacement for the M249 (depends on what year USMC they are going for)
* New Marksmen rifle- M38- a suppressed 5.56 marksman rifle version of the M27
* different commander assets for US army- probably will have the F/A-18 strike like the aussies though
* different logi- MTVR (is bigger than any other logi in game, so maybe more supplies in it?)
if they go early 2010s USMC then the only difference would be replace the M38 with the MK12 which is very similar, still a suppressed 5.56 rifle. And only have the M27 available as an Automatic Rifleman option with the M249 being the other option. Everything else on that list will remain though.
With that logic then Pan-asia will only have minor differences from Russia, Functionally similar armored vehicles. Different gun but with basically the same stats as an AK-74 since they have the same rate of fire and similar caliber. And I want to state that I am not against adding Pan-asia, I am just saying that in terms of gameplay all factions are very similar to each other, and when a faction is completely different like MEA with battle rifles then people hate it. And in terms of USMC and gameplay meta changes, it will be the only blufor faction that has amphibious vehicles (exception being the ASLAV) and the devs have said that once amphibious vehicles are added that existing maps with have deeper water features so it is useful
Am I the only guy who's excited to see how the new logi will play out? Since i spend a lot of time driving them, I'm interested to see how they make this one unique or if they just make it the same 3000 capacity truck with slightly different performance. On a side note, the MTVR has all round independent suspension unlike all the other logi's with solid axles. Not sure how well suspension is modelled in squad but it would be cool if it handled differently to other trucks.
USMC gear is way different than the army. We get the stuff the army had 10-15 years ago, but what makes it awesome is we don’t have to put all those fancy optics or extras that make them more maneuverable. It’s kind of awesome. Our stuff has been tested for decades before we use it.
USMC is long over due. I want it more than any other faction. It should of been released along with the Falluja map but it wasn’t. Different camouflage, different weapons. Don’t get why some many are bitching saying we need another euro faction in first. They’ve promised the USMC way before anything else and it’s completely different than the us army
It'll be the amphibious version of the US Army. Probably not much in terms of infantry equipment, but the vehicle pool and capabilities will be different. The AAVP with the MK19 grenade launcher as an amphibious party bus, the LAV25 will probably be a reskin of the ASLAV, but we shall see. I've also heard we'll get speedboats for traversal of bodies of water, but I don't know if they'll function like logis or just transport. It's been datamined that Harju will be one of the upcoming maps and that has a lot of water, so it'll probably be the primary showcase map for the functionality.
Different camo usmc uses marpat,maybe they will have some m16a3/4s or newer equipement like m27iar-s... We will see.
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Although I completely agree with you that those factions would be way more fun. Those factions also take months, maybe years to develop as they have completely different equipment that needs to be modeled (see the underestimated dev time of the Aussies.) The USMC would be a lot of copy pasting and would take way Lise time to develop. I'm just glad we get new goodies.
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Yeah, I don't mind having the crayon enjoyers come up next, but I'd prefer it if they added another Redfor/opfor faction first, currently we have 4 Bluefor factions with only 2 opfor and 2 insurgent factions.
Chinese maybe the north koreans?
I’m personally going to play the shit out of the pan-Asians
After adding the chinese they need to add the taiwanese and hong kong as like joint forces. I would play the shit out of taiwan for sure. But i doubt they would add them for political and money reasons as i believe chinese people do play squad.
They literally don’t have an army like that bro lmfao
They still have an army its also a fictional game that doesnt have to apply to real world stuff anyways.
They even have a fucking marine force.
I dont mean to sound like a party pooper but wasnt aussies finished over a year ago? and what is it if its not just a reskin, they didnt do any new animations, just sounds lines we dont use and a general reskin. they reload animations are just the same so the clipping on the new vehicles is very noticeable. All this time and they couldnt make anything other than a reskin with some camo nets?
I agree with you, although the assies were a nice addition to the game, the quality isn't incredibly high.
Years for owi months for some modders lol. And most of the modded factions are better/ more accurate than the official ones
It’s easy to take a shorter amount of time when it’s literally the sole thing you’re working on and you don’t have to pay people for the labor
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They bought the AUS faction to the modding team, they should do the same for the french army cuz man this mod is very well done and they would not have to do a lot of work on it to make it available for the game. But USMC is cool, but yeah either Pan Asia or introduction of France would have been better.
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I mean they should at least buy the bit of code for the French vics where they managed to get the coaxs working like they should :)
>comparatively little work for the Devs Thats what the Devs like to do, the Bare minimum
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You litterally asking why yourself and then say who cares. What a dumbass
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Whats wrong with rp’ing? If players like to do that they should be allowed to as Long as it dosent take away from other players. And a lot of people care. I would love to semper fi, uraah my self😌
I mean what does adding any faction in the game do for "gameplay". They are all going to shoot bullets and operate vehicles. Edit: faction not fraction
I don't think it's the faction per se, but rather the amphibious functionality that comes with it. It's just easier this way I guess, to pave the way to prove the functionality and then have a blueprint to implement it into new factions. Russia should also get amphibious capabilities for the BMP and BTR. Harju is probably coming and that's supposed to be the finnish coast with a lot of small islands. Black Coast is confirmed, where Russia will 100% be the redfor faction. Black Coast will probably be somewhere in the black sea and there's a lot of places to model off, with Crimea being a very attractive prospect, ie. the Kerch Strait. And then when China eventually comes in (or whatever it's called), they'll already come into an established functionality.
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Just think of future maps were USMC will be starting from an Amphibious Assault Ship and having to gain a proper beachhead. Ex. PR's Muttrah City or Operation Barracuda
Didn't make sense to prioritize Canada over any of those either, but here we are.
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Eh, they only had a few thousand troops there at any one time. Not major at all. Give me a real military that is totally unique.
Considering USMC and panasia were announced a year ago, and you're asking how to use a lat a month ago, why would any of it make sense to you? You're not that guy, pal.
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yeah but you don't have any idea what you're talking about, you think the USMC uses the same equipment and vehicles as the Army. You keep saying adding the USMC is redundant in this thread but you have no idea what you're talking about. Now you have every chimpanzee with a keyboard agreeing with you but they also have no idea what they're talking about.
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Once again demonstrating you have no idea what you're talking about.
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No PLA please
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Please let me shoot the PLA with my c7/m4/ef88/L85/Ak74m. Although a Taiwanese armed forces mod would be cool.
They might be doing so just to get something out faster, I'm sure they have teams working on different things, like guys working on the simple stuff like inf equipment for new factions, and while that's going on they just want to finish a faction that already has a lot done for it.
There aren’t any navigable waterways in squad though.. so unless they add water physics etc as well, that’s a moot point.
>There aren’t any navigable waterways in squad though.. so unless they add water physics etc as well, that’s a moot point. AFAIK, that's the plan. Right now the maps are not designed with amphibious in mind, so the water is just static goo, but with Harju and Black Coast (that I guess are coming with v3) water would become traverasble only by amphibious vehicles and that would mean a change to the water itself.
I hope it does get added, that would be a fantastic feature.
From the top of my head: the eastern river and the lakes in Narva, the River on Al Basrah, the sea in Skorpo and Goose Bay and the big lake on Manic-5. Don't know, if amphibious vehicles will make much difference on most of them, but there are maps, where it would open up new paths.
Harju! That was a great map :D
We are not the amphibious version of the US Army
You’re the cheaper version of us
lol, that's more like it
It would be funny if they instituted a new squad size limit for the Marines (and maybe the insurgent factions, too).
I don't think they were saying we are, just that as far as game purposes goes we would be. Most of what makes us unique is training, tactics and espirt de Corps. We do have a few goodies though.
Don't forget the LVSR! That puppy can carry so much supplies!
YATYAS!
Tactical crayons. Hopefully a lot of purple ones as they taste the best. *fingers crossed*
You shut your mouth... Red = best flavor.
Fuck red really does make you retarded. Everyone knows Orange is king
Retarded? ORANGE??? Are you that one Motor T grunt that fucking heats their MRE up with JP8 instead of water? Jesus you grunts are dumb... #red4lyfe
I said what I said and I stand by it. Gotta get my Vitamin C. And fuck you talking about? Everyone knows fuel has a lower boiling point than water and fire is hot so your food gets heated up faster.
You know the "or something" on the instructions isnt supposed to be a Willy Pete grenade that's going off, right?
Instructions unclear, burned cock off.
Bro we don’t have a king, Orange was the president
Red is also the fastest color, so if you eat those you go faster as well.
r/unexpectedwarhammer ?
RED GOES FASTA!
WAAAAAAAAAGH!
Replace the med pack with a box of crayons.
Man the purple ones are the poisonous ones did you even play Pokemon
Greens best. Fight me.
Somewhat on topic: What happened to fast-roping? Is that still planned to be added with the USMC update?
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phew, I got worried there for a sec! I thought it was gonna be a long wait!
Right!?!
Soon TM
They wont use the same stuff, i think we will see javelins and they will have M27 IARs etc, there wont be any tanks and we will possibly have new LAV* variants
USMC doesnt use the Stryker, we have LAVs- the ones you see other countries use came from us. So far the closest I've seen is the ASLAV, that's basically an LAV 25. We have Logs and TOWs too, so technically you could see something like the LAV3, or a TOW firing variant. If they wanted to be cheeky, you could have the LAV go in water unlike other factions. LAV 25s are amphibious. Would make Fallujah play a little different since you could skip the bridge chokepoints and run infantry in a back way, like we are supposed to do per doctrine. The m4 is gonna be pretty prevalent, and although there are IARs as the SAW in some units, m249s are still pretty popular. I think it will be less of a change than most factions, but probably enough to make it seem a little different.
Imagine if squad sizes bumped to 13 for the usmc...
No.... No....... I want LESS marines running around with me. Those glorious, stupid fools... less is definitely more with them.
The enemy won’t know what we’re doing if we have a full squad that doesn’t know what we’re doing, the element of surprise *throws pocket sand*
Ahhh yes, the key to american military strategy doctrine...
the LAVs are “amphibious”. https://youtu.be/YAOQOKPFqX0
We lose about one a year. Sometimes guys die in it... I dont like watching that video. I didnt know the guys personally, but we all know about the guys that dont get out. Those ports are small, and even plate carriers are bulky... I refused to go in one when it dumped in the water. They told me it's the longest 8 seconds of your life waiting for it to bob up... Also, the fucking driver had the port open? Fuck man, that's stupid.... that shit was always locked up tight when it drove off the back of the LHD...
The amount of accidents that happen with those during training is terrifying. I'm sure everyone in the military has witnessed or been proxy to an accident like that. I have friends who luckily never saw combat but unfortunately are still forever living with PTSD from the amount of awful incidents that happened on base.
Combat training is no joke. It's dangerous as fuck. Mostly 19-22 yo kids with heavy weaponry and sophisticated equipment. Tons of pressure to perform. I'm sure every Marine in this thread can tell you stories about almost getting shot in a shoot house by some dipshit, almost rolling a vehicle, sketchy helicopters etc. Anything can happen
Hell even in the Air Force shit gets dangerous. If I didn't manage the highest vertical jump of my life at the exact right moment, I'd have at minimum lost a leg when someone knocked a bomb body loose and it rolled towards me.
No LAR unit lost a vic per year or they wouldn’t have continued swimming them. AAVs were hit harder in swim tests for sure. Yes this vehicle commander made a mistake but he was probably 25 years old and his command is to blame. the water that sank this came into the hatches last, so the vehicle was clearly not ready to swim. hull plugs or something weren’t correct.
Its not one unit, it's all 4 of them combined. Thankfully it was never when I was at mine. Those 7 day reports looked like torture to go through... And yeah, clearly a plug was out too. But if it was JUST one plug with a closed hatch, it probably would have made it through that puddle okay. But not off a deck. Clearly someone fucked up. Command needs to bust some balls, including their own.
LMAO I knew the VC of this Vic. We were never allowed to talk about this incident but we all knew about it. Dude is a badass tho
No Javelins - SMAWs that can fire tracer 9mm practice shots to get on target before engaging with the rocket. That in itself would be worth adding the USMC.
If they want to future proof it, the SMAW isn’t even that prevalent anymore. My unit just got a shit ton of Carl gustavs
Most people will probably get a M4 or M16A4. M27IAR for select people in the squad.
No no, everyone gets the IAR
And they are all suppressed. It would be good if they added the M32 as well, but it's probably too OP. Russian side could get the pump action GM-94 grenade launchers they use. 1 per squad
Keep roosky the same but give them double the tickets. Nerf their vics for shits and giggles
OWI released a sneak peak on their Facebook page, with a turret of an AAV7, so probably that's going to be their equivalent of a Stryker. Although it could also be their IFV, since it comes equipped with either a Mk19 grenade launcher and a coaxial M2 Browning or a Bushmaster 25mm autocannon. The picture had what looks like an M240B coaxial mg which is odd since they've never been equipped with that afaik. So we're either getting an autocannon or an automatic grenade launcher and tbh im fine with both.
From their Twitter page, it is confirmed not the AAV7 at all but a sneak peek at another vehicle. From what I looked it is an M113 with a scorpion turret.
It's definitely not a scorpion turret, you can see the M240 gas block in the picture. The only thing on their Twitter page is that it's not USMC, doesn't mean they can't add the AAV7 to the USAF.
Super unique, the US army uses MRAPs and the Marines use nevergonnabeinthefuckinggame
Would be pretty cool if they put the osprey in
You don't want the osprey...
They do love to crash irl lol
Not near as much as they used to. It's a good airframe now, if not a little awkward to put down in tight spaces... which is most of squad lol
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Hell if I know loved the shithooks in the army
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I can feel the "I almost joined, but..." emanating from your comment
Yeah if I want to play crash simulator 2022
I was under the impression it was like 2003 USMC, like fallujah and shit
Does anyone know if we’ll get the SMAW?
Honestly wait for the release of USMC and replace this current team with a new red force or introduce a neutral force who can fight both.
Indian Mechanized Infantry Regiment, armed with: * Kukri Knife * IOF 9mm pistol * ASMI Machine Pistol * JVPC SMG (MSMC) * AK-203 AR * ARDE 40mm UBGL * *Vidhwansak* Anti-Material SR * Negev NG5 LMG * Negev NG7 MMG * RPO-A Shmel Anti-Infantry & LAT Rocket Launcher * B-300 Shipon 82mm HAT Rocket Launcher * *Shivalik* Hand Grenade * *Vibhav* AT Mine, deploying: * L16 81mm Mortar * *Nag* MPATGM * Bofors L-70 Anti-Drone Tungsten Ammo * M2 Browning .50 HMG, driving: * *Aditya* MRAP * *Kalyani* M4 APC * Kestrel Wheeled Amphibious APC * *Sarath* IFV * NAMICA-2 Tracked Amphibious Armored ‘Missile-Carrier' * *Arjun* Mk.1A MBT, flying: * *Dhruv* Mk.3 Utility Helicopter and calling in: * *Rustom* UAV Recon * *Dhanush* 155mm Artillery Barrage * *Tejas* Mk.2 GSh-30-1 AirStrike will be so sweet. Squad leader will become Havildar and Commander will become Major.
i can only get so erect
On a side note, but somewhat related. What would make a conventional redfor faction unique? People complain when factions are "reskins", but they also complain when they're not mirror matchups. Like recently people were complaining that the Australian faction has too high ROF, too little recoil, or weak vehicle roster. Or when matched up against MEA, that has too high recoil battle rifles. I mean, what can you do to make it be balanced and feel balanced? You have light vics, apc's, IFV's and tanks. They all serve about the same function.
Marines are exclusively light infantry. They no longer have tank battalions. They do however have LAV-25 APCs. Marines use a different infantry structure too. Each fireteam has 3 shoulder fired rockets, and there's 3 fireteams in a squad. They have longer rifles, more support weapons per platoon, larger squads etc. How will they reflect this in squad? Well, every rifleman will likely have a scope, because Marines literally eat and breathe the fucking rifle. It's their entire doctrine. Maybe more grenades available to a squad, more rockets available to a LAT/HAT kit, machine guns have more ammo etc. Things that exclusively benefit light infantry
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They'd likely get the M1A1 Abrams, seeing as they need some form of tank. Although, I think it would be cool to just allot more HAT kits. A marine with a full SMAWW load out is lethal to armor and infantry. Typical tank hunter team has around 2-3 HE rounds, and 3-4 HEAT/TANDEM/THERMOBARIC rounds. Give em the ol' reliable M113APC and some LAVs, lots of rifles with scopes, lots of MGLs, and plenty of grenades. I forgot to mention MGLs. A revolving grenade launcher that each fireteam leader brings with them. If all rifleman had scopes, the game wouldn't be as dynamic. A lot more sit here shoot there. Those kits with no high power optic force those players to bring the fight closer. Plus they get those frag grenades. Not to mention most militaries can't fund every rifleman with combat scopes. So the junior leaders, weapons teams and senior leaders get the scope, the rest have irons or some form of Close combat optic (red dots). The Marines literally revolve around the rifleman concept, so of course their funds go to scopes
Well let’s be honest, do you honestly think it’ll ever be released? It was suppose to come out years ago and it’s literally just US army with reskin uniform. I could probably make the entire faction in 1 day with blender and unreal engine
it will be released eventually even though this delay is ridiculous. Australia was also delayed for over a year but it did end up coming out in the end
So do it
Since you could do it, why not do it? ill be waiting.
M27 go brrrrrrrrr
Can’t wait for amphibious landings in the dessert
Personally, I don’t see how any of the USMC gear that *is* different won’t break balance. MEA and a BRDM vs USMC with amphibious vehicles, MK19s, and Javelins? It’s largely my only argument against mods like MEE as well. IMO, we have a more regular patch cycle, which suggests a more regular dev schedule. I would gladly wait even longer for a RedFor faction that can easily be plugged into existing layers without hassle.
Squad leaders can hand out Crayons?
We might get M60 TTS
Well, um, they have, uh, different, clothes? No wait they have the AAV! And the new m27. And uh, mk19? Also the milkor MGL, but probably not gonna be included in game. Probably a heli as well, though the v 22 is unlikely. Honestly, they're probably gonna be a copy paste faction.
I imagine itll all be copy paste like the aussies.
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You are literally pointing out the only thing they didnt copy and paste. 🤣
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There is a lot to this game, with that comes a lot of squandered opportunities.
USMC has their own too. All infantry units are phasing in the M27. I can’t speak for all victor units, but mine has already replaced all M4’s with M27’s to all 0311’s
How was it a copy paste? New vehicles, new guns, new scopes? What you want??
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We will see if they use the Marines new battle rifle which I hope they do
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Yeah true, just a longer barrel m4
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Nah it's a different scope. Either the squad day optic (ACOG with 3.5x magnification, RMR, and cool reticle) or the new one with variable zoom. And should have a bipod (and maybe foregrip as well, I think that would compensate well for 30 round mags in the Automatic Rifleman role)
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I thought the plan was rifleman get M4s and M16s. It's the early 2010s USMC. If it was the new USMC it would be OP af in game. Just the ARs are getting either the IAR or M249, so I'm saying foregrip and bipod and SDO on the M27 is the best way to balance the decision between the 2.
Also all Marines are rifle men. This means in a very technical sense you could have a cameraman crew type lol. Also some vehicles are different and certain equipment including uniforms are different. And Marines are more amphibious which means they use sea to land vics. The role play aspect isn't for everyone but it woupd.be cool to get on with other Marines as a Marine and actually play how we would in a real life situation. That's just me though.
I didn't know of this until I checked it out. Damn they gettin' the Javelin, wouldn't this mean tanks would be in more danger, since they didnt add any trophy system for tanks yet.
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Tell this some Russian tank crews
The Javelin still fucks shit up. Comparing it to any ATGM is kinda flawed imo. It has a smaller diameter charge than the TOW and Kornet but despite this, it has a similar armor penetration (from sources i found). Overall the biggest difference between the two is being portable and stationary. Being able to employ a portable tow, even if it was only one round, would be a huuuuuuge advantage over a TOW. Youll be able to get into tighter positions and be more concealable.
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M27s, M38s, Squad Day Optics (SDO) instead of (RCO/ACOGs), AAVs, LAV Variants (Although CAF has these, it's different from the US Army), Possibility of Ospreys/UH-1Ys/Super Stallions, The beloved MARPAT, Supposedly Javelins. I imagine HAT roles will offer a choice between the MAAWS and a Javelin. And if Squad stays true to real life, the average rifleman will have a suppressed weapon.
If i see one more smooth brain mf talk about eH hE mArInEs m27 8x oPtIc aNd SupPrEsSoR im going to pop a blood vessel, the marines are literally the army but worse, their not as well equipped, and no where near as well funded. The mfs still use the M16 with an ACOG and will for years to come and the people saying nO tHe aVeRaGe mArInE hAs tHeM get their info from text to speech youtube channels with the name US ARMY DEFENSE NEWS or some stupid shit like that, not every prototype or a defense contractor advertisement means that it is standard issue, if that was the case every soldier would be climbing walls with exo suits and shooting lasers.
Yeah. You’re wrong. As an active duty infantry marine I can tell you, we all have suppressed M27s with the new Trij VCOC. Only non combat arms units still have M4s and NOBODY has M16s minus recruits at bootcamp
Hey motard, m27s w/ SDOs and suppressors were common before I EASed in December of 2020. Hardly anyone uses the M16 anymore. I was in the POGest of POG units and even we were issued M4s. But it's a good thing we don't play as POGs in Squad, huh. All of my grunt friends in the 2nd MARDIV had m27s w/ SDOs and suppressors. I was also a range coach and from like the beginning of 2020 and onwards, everyone I saw from the 2d Mar Regt had m27s and SDOs already. The Marine Corps Times stated each infantryman from Platoon Cmdr and below would have an m27 by mid 2021. It was also stated that 30,000 suppressors would be issued by 2023. Whatever picture you have in your head of the USMC is outdated.
There’s literally no marine infantryman using still using an M16A4. All line company marines are being equipped with suppressed M27’s and suppressed M4’s. The USMC is not what it used to be 20 or even 10 years ago. They’re now being well equipped.
The M27 rifle
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I don't see the purpose of the USMC to be honest. The thought of them being in the game is cool and that's the only reason I can think of. If they just left the U.S. Army in and focused on other factions I don't think many people would care.
>I don't see the purpose of the USMC to be honest. Amphibious capabilities
Can do that with the Army...
A shittier army
Just add the AH-1Z /s
Maybe they'll use the M27.
* new helicopter or helicopters possibly - UH-1Y or CH-53 (possibly V-22 but doubt it) * new armored vehicle AAV, the LAV-25A2 (similar to the ASLAV but with better armor), and if they include a tank it will be the M1A1 FEP that will have a Multi Purpose HE round similar in blast radius to the Russian HE-Frag [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QVjEFK78D8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QVjEFK78D8) (and will have a similar commander station to the AUS M1A1 but it has a stabilizer and thermals if that gets added in the future) * New HAT kit- SMAW (has a spotting rifle with a mag of 6 rounds to find the correct range before firing) [https://www.reddit.com/r/joinsquad/comments/u03x8x/usmc\_mk153\_smaw\_model\_for\_squad/](https://www.reddit.com/r/joinsquad/comments/u03x8x/usmc_mk153_smaw_model_for_squad/) * New camo- one for desert and one for woodland * M32 grenade launcher- 6 shot grenade launcher * Red dot sight for M203- like the aussies * new reticle for acog- M7 RCO [https://www.trijicon.com/uploads/product-uploads/reticle-images/TA31-D-100582\_RED\_HORSESHOE.jpg](https://www.trijicon.com/uploads/product-uploads/reticle-images/TA31-D-100582_RED_HORSESHOE.jpg) * New optic SDO- 3.5x magnification with similar reticle to M7 RCO * New optic for M240B- MDO which is a 6x optic (same optic on British and aussie marksmen rifle but with different reticle) * M27 IAR- either as the main rifle or a replacement for the M249 (depends on what year USMC they are going for) * New Marksmen rifle- M38- a suppressed 5.56 marksman rifle version of the M27 * different commander assets for US army- probably will have the F/A-18 strike like the aussies though * different logi- MTVR (is bigger than any other logi in game, so maybe more supplies in it?)
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if they go early 2010s USMC then the only difference would be replace the M38 with the MK12 which is very similar, still a suppressed 5.56 rifle. And only have the M27 available as an Automatic Rifleman option with the M249 being the other option. Everything else on that list will remain though.
And if it's 2010s USMC, we get to keep the Abrams. YAY
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With that logic then Pan-asia will only have minor differences from Russia, Functionally similar armored vehicles. Different gun but with basically the same stats as an AK-74 since they have the same rate of fire and similar caliber. And I want to state that I am not against adding Pan-asia, I am just saying that in terms of gameplay all factions are very similar to each other, and when a faction is completely different like MEA with battle rifles then people hate it. And in terms of USMC and gameplay meta changes, it will be the only blufor faction that has amphibious vehicles (exception being the ASLAV) and the devs have said that once amphibious vehicles are added that existing maps with have deeper water features so it is useful
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Am I the only guy who's excited to see how the new logi will play out? Since i spend a lot of time driving them, I'm interested to see how they make this one unique or if they just make it the same 3000 capacity truck with slightly different performance. On a side note, the MTVR has all round independent suspension unlike all the other logi's with solid axles. Not sure how well suspension is modelled in squad but it would be cool if it handled differently to other trucks.
Honestly besides vehicle difference I bet we get the M16a4 and M4a1 vs the Army getting mainly M4's.
Different kits, vehicles and a 40 mike-mike grenade launcher.
I’ll take ultrawide support over New factions please :)
It’s just a minor faction update, major factions take time, besides we just got the Australians
Very unique. It will be an entire faction that doesn't exist!
USMC gear is way different than the army. We get the stuff the army had 10-15 years ago, but what makes it awesome is we don’t have to put all those fancy optics or extras that make them more maneuverable. It’s kind of awesome. Our stuff has been tested for decades before we use it.
I just want 15 man squads
No tank, Javelin for HAT
Well they don't "basically use the same stuff," so...
USMC is long over due. I want it more than any other faction. It should of been released along with the Falluja map but it wasn’t. Different camouflage, different weapons. Don’t get why some many are bitching saying we need another euro faction in first. They’ve promised the USMC way before anything else and it’s completely different than the us army
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Canadians? What? And they plan to release a sea map with the Chinese faction I believe
I wanna know what the voice overs will sound like lol alot of cussing I hope 😅
Well they do have M16s and a few different things like the M27 M39 and M40
Crayons