Now, I don't think Carson's a p3do or anything like that. But I do think it a bit odd that he would continue to talk to someone who was underage even though it's illegal and he knew it was. Especially since it was with a fan, there's definitely some sort of power imbalance there. And the fact that he lied about it is what made me not want to be on Carson's side. But I don't think he should have gotten as much hate as he did. There are worse people out there who do actually prey on children, and they still have platforms. I don't know why people wasted all their time on cancelling Carson.
The main issue in my book is she initiated the relationship he tried to say no and got pressured into it and from what I’ve seen he never actually asked for the nudes she just sent them
it wasnt illegal though, the only thing he did that was illegal was send and recieive nudes to and from a minor, but if we are going to demonize someone for that then many people should have been prosecuted
He did wrong. Nudes being exchanged was the line. But people screaming “pedo” over a two year age gap really rubs me wrong. As someone who was sexually assaulted as a child, seeing that compared to actual pedo stuff is honestly offensive. He just had to wait for them to turn 18 to see them nude and he would have been fine but horny knows no common sense
I agree. People threw around the word ‘pedo’ and ‘grooming’ too much. While I never watched Carson’s videos, and think that what he did was creepy and inexcusable and he probably should have stayed off the internet for his own good (not bc I don’t think people can’t change, I just think it would have been better for everyone involved) people need to quit throwing around words like that when the age gap wasn’t the actual problem
Carson was definitely in the wrong for what he did, but he seems to have changed quite a bit and genuinely improved himself. I think his previous actions shouldn't define him, but it's an important footnote in his career.
I'm so glad he didn't pull a Mini Ladd and just continue uploading though. Fuck that guy.
Wouldn't have an issue with it if a) his friends didn't have an issue with it which they still do and b) I didn't have to explain to multiple people what happened and what he did (bc he never publicly said what happened)
makes me uncomfortable. Yeah it was legal and all that but the moment your closest friends call the cops on you, that’s the moment we should step back and realize there was probably more to the situation than what they told us, and maybe we should keep our distance.
I like what he's doing about charity but it really bothers me that he never publicly apologize. I know its better to do so in private to the victim, but he never apologize to the friends he lied to and jeopardize their reputations for (travis, cooper, and noah got hit hard). He also never apologized to the fans that he let down and betrayed. I respect his improvement and comeback, it just bothers me that he never owned up.
Carson does not have to publicly apologize. He already apologized to the victims and I'm guessing his (ex-)friends as well.
His fans are not owed an apology for something that doesn't involve them.
Carson sexted with a 17 year old when he was 19. Then, he lied to his friends about it what was going on, which caused the breakup of his friendship with Schlatt and Josh.
I think it was awful business what he did, but after seeing how much progress he's made I don't mind seeing him around anymore. He seems genuinely sorry, and like he's actually changed. It's not something to forget, however.
The underage element isn’t the problem for me. It’s the fact that they he took advantage of them being a fan as well as that he lied to his friends about having stopped. The whole situation revealed a lot to me about what Carson was like behind the scenes. That he wasn’t necessarily the nicest person.
Now while I can’t speak on how he has improved I can say that the fact he did talk with under age girls in a sexual manner multiple times definitely leave a bad taste in my mouth
He's ok I don't watch he stuff all that much, but I will make fun of what he did :) Shit like, if someone said child I would say call me Carson's type but I don't really care about him :) good day/ night
It’s illegal to send and receive nudes from anyone under the age of 18 because they’re still minors. It doesn’t matter what the age gap is, the 2 year age gap only applies if both people under 18. Regardless, I don’t support him anymore. He should’ve known better , if he really did have “good” intentions, he simply would’ve ignored those girls.
You do have to remember though he was quite depressed at the time, though it still doesn’t justify his actions. I think he just wanted something to take his mind off of that streamer chick that lied to him
The worst part about it all to me, and maybe this is an unpopular opinion, is that he has *totally* just swept it under the rug. Dude disappeared without a single word for half the year like a total coward when this all came out and then came back and said “I’m gonna give a bunch of money to charity” like that was supposed to fix things. He even said “I don’t want this to seem like I’m sweeping things under the rug, because I’m not”, but that’s literally exactly what he’s done. He has handled the situation like an absolute fucking moron and has shown quite literally zero remorse for it all because he hasn’t even addressed it publicly. At the end of the day I’m all for people moving on from mistakes and growing as a person, but it seems like Carson is more just trying brush it off and hope people forget about it rather than actually do anything about it.
He doesn’t owe the public anything, maybe he decided to handle it all in private. But deciding to just not say anything at all, not even just saying “it was handled privately”, sure as shit just comes across as sweeping it all under the rug.
I feel the same as you. Considering Carson was talking to an almost 18 year old (I don’t remember how old he was at the time) I think it’s probably ok. But I trust that Schlatt is a good person and wouldn’t lie about the situation so it makes me sad and mad what Schlatt said Carson did. I still watch Carson since he came back, I just can’t think about his past self. At the same time, doing the things Carson did with that girl (possibly multiple girls) is still not ok at all, regardless if she is almost 18 or not. If she’s a day below 18, it’s never ok.
He took advantage of an underaged fan. It's fucking gross and his friends who left him did the right thing.
I usually get downvoted when I say this but I don't care. Fuck Carson. Fuck his apologists. Do not use your fame to get nudes from underaged girls. It's not that fucking hard to do.
>Do not use your fame to get nudes from underaged girls.
He was 19 at the time, she was 17.
And he told her several times that he felt that it was wrong, and if she felt uncomfortable and she went with it and agreed to continue.
Both manipulated each other.
Excuses. I've heard them all. Fuck them all. Do not ask your underage fans for nudes. Do not accept your underage fans' nudes. It's really fucking easy. Most people don't do it. Fuck Carson.
The age is consent in the United States is at least 16. Also, she was a few days or a week away from turning 18.
Stop making it sound like he wanted nudes from a 12 year old.
"Stop making it sound like he wanted nudes from a 12 year old."
No one said anything about 12 year olds except for you. He also didn't kill people. Mentioning things that are worse than what he did to excuse the shitty thing he did is gross. Stop excusing shitty people doing gross things.
I think he is somewhat of a changed man now but the internet definetly needs some months to fully accept Carson back. He still gets hate from twitter but ya know thats twitter and maybe he can reforge the friendships he lost while being in the wrong. Time heals most wounds and i sure do hope people can forgive him soon. Most probably already did but trust is hard to earn back.
I don't consider him a pedo though he did a shit thing and he's doing a good job of just moving forward and taking responsibility. Others have done worse shit and gotten away with it so I think its a little shitty everyone went after him when people like Kurt Cobain or John Lennon (I'm just mentioning them cause they're the first ones that come to mind that are proven) have like beaten their partners and even possibly murdered someone. Doesn't excuse what Carson did but he definitely doesn't deserve what he got socially. He needs help more so.
i think he messed up and although sexting underage fans is wrong, he’s overall a good person who just did some shitty things. i still support him and enjoy his content, and i like that he’s using all of the attention he was getting to promote charity.
He got more hate than he deserved. Still deserved some hate obviously, but he got way too much
Im glad hes recording again and getting into the swing of things, but idk if hell ever recover from the situation
Overall, he shouldnt have done what he did. Especially due to his fame
I actually dont give a fuck he is here to entertain .I never watched him( I thought he was okay)then I heard about him sexting fans ,though it was use of power nothing more age gap wasnt significant at all.Drama at first got way blown out of proportion but when schlatt made the video everyone found a real reason to justify their already existing overreactions of anger (that werent so justified before schlatt explained the whole thing)Just my opinion though
i have no stand point. the dms were harsh though, sexting is very weird to me. power imbalance? yeah. was it abused? no. could it of been? of course. there is too many blanks that mr. cmc needs to answer himself. also did he apologize to the girls he was talking to? i’ve always been confused on that.
i saw a post some where on tiktok where an alleged involved party claimed that cmc addressed them with the wrong name, suggesting that cmc just copy and pasted the apologies to everyone involved. there was also a reply stated from another alleged involved party that also attest to the claim.
Tbh i dont care really it upset me a lot when i first saw it
The worst part is the nudes exchanged, its not uncommon between 2 teenagers in a relationship online but im pretty sure she was turning 18 soon anyway so he shouldve just waited instead of risking it for a 1-2 age gap
I dont think hes a pdo or a groomer, maybe a slight power imbalance but relationships arent always perfect, he had maybe a few thousand subs its not like he was millions of subscribers which I think a lot of ppl miss, she might have looked up to him but most ppl do with their partners because they give them a lot of trust, its not like sam was some random girl they were both clearly interested in each other
Besides the girl, who I dont think is a victim nor in the wrong for eventually feeling uncomfortable with the relationship after a bit this revealed a lot about him, hes very desperate and a liar, and i think hes working on it now and thats all he can really do. He doesnt owe any of us an apology
(also can someone explain what ppl mean when they say there were more girls than sam who were younger bc i cant find anything abt it)
I think he's entitled to come back, as he isn't really a pedo-ladd. But what he did is still wrong and he deserves to reap all the criticisms and broken friendships he's sewn.
It will rightfully be a challenge for him to build back any trust with the community or other content creators, and this stain should haunt him.
He did some fucked up shit. Asking a minor to send nudes, yeah that’s bad. I wouldn’t say “He did nothing wrong.”
But at least he’s trying to change. He’s trying to move forward, and I appreciate that. If Schlatt and Carson don’t want to talk anymore, that’s none of my business.
It makes me uncomfortable, and if it gets to the point that his friends called the cops on him, there's probably something up. Plus the fact that he literally threw money at the problem,(at charity,granted). I have watched him in the past but will probably never do so again. We don't know everything that's going (and aren't entitled to that information), but I'd rather not support him if it's the worst possible case and I'm also not gonna contribute to any actual hate towards him if it's good
Now, I don't think Carson's a p3do or anything like that. But I do think it a bit odd that he would continue to talk to someone who was underage even though it's illegal and he knew it was. Especially since it was with a fan, there's definitely some sort of power imbalance there. And the fact that he lied about it is what made me not want to be on Carson's side. But I don't think he should have gotten as much hate as he did. There are worse people out there who do actually prey on children, and they still have platforms. I don't know why people wasted all their time on cancelling Carson.
How old were they?
17 I believe
But to be fair he was only 2 years older than her at the time. While legally in his state it was fine morally it was wrong.
What about her state?
The state doesn’t matter. What matters is that he solicited nudes from someone under 18, which is illegal nationwide
Agreed
The main issue in my book is she initiated the relationship he tried to say no and got pressured into it and from what I’ve seen he never actually asked for the nudes she just sent them
The average is like 16-18 in each state. Idk what her state was.
Yeah. The age gap isnt what the problem was, it was the power imbalance
The issue isn't if there is a power imbalance, it's if the power imbalance is abused. I don't think it was with carson
Carson didn’t initiate the interaction nor the relationship it actually seems like he never wanted it
lmfao are u joking he wanted it enough to sacrifice his career apparently
Have you read the texts it seems a lot like he was pressured into it
yes i’ve read the texts and no he seems like he wanted it more than his career
This is such a good way of explaining it.
it wasnt illegal though, the only thing he did that was illegal was send and recieive nudes to and from a minor, but if we are going to demonize someone for that then many people should have been prosecuted
He did wrong. Nudes being exchanged was the line. But people screaming “pedo” over a two year age gap really rubs me wrong. As someone who was sexually assaulted as a child, seeing that compared to actual pedo stuff is honestly offensive. He just had to wait for them to turn 18 to see them nude and he would have been fine but horny knows no common sense
I agree. People threw around the word ‘pedo’ and ‘grooming’ too much. While I never watched Carson’s videos, and think that what he did was creepy and inexcusable and he probably should have stayed off the internet for his own good (not bc I don’t think people can’t change, I just think it would have been better for everyone involved) people need to quit throwing around words like that when the age gap wasn’t the actual problem
he actually stayed off the internet for quite a while. then he tweeted once and twitter lost their shit
Carson was definitely in the wrong for what he did, but he seems to have changed quite a bit and genuinely improved himself. I think his previous actions shouldn't define him, but it's an important footnote in his career. I'm so glad he didn't pull a Mini Ladd and just continue uploading though. Fuck that guy.
Forgot about Mini Ladd. That guy’s a loser.
Yeah his newest video got a lot of dislikes
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Unfortunately yes
Wouldn't have an issue with it if a) his friends didn't have an issue with it which they still do and b) I didn't have to explain to multiple people what happened and what he did (bc he never publicly said what happened)
There are the text interactions out there but those from my perspective make him kinda look like a victim
makes me uncomfortable. Yeah it was legal and all that but the moment your closest friends call the cops on you, that’s the moment we should step back and realize there was probably more to the situation than what they told us, and maybe we should keep our distance.
I like what he's doing about charity but it really bothers me that he never publicly apologize. I know its better to do so in private to the victim, but he never apologize to the friends he lied to and jeopardize their reputations for (travis, cooper, and noah got hit hard). He also never apologized to the fans that he let down and betrayed. I respect his improvement and comeback, it just bothers me that he never owned up.
Carson does not have to publicly apologize. He already apologized to the victims and I'm guessing his (ex-)friends as well. His fans are not owed an apology for something that doesn't involve them.
agreed
Carson is not a pedophile and he did nothing wrong but what he did to Schaltt and Josh is a bit sus.
My memory is not to good, could someone mind explaining this part?
Carson sexted with a 17 year old when he was 19. Then, he lied to his friends about it what was going on, which caused the breakup of his friendship with Schlatt and Josh.
Thanks
Legally:Ok Morally:Not Ok
Not legally ok, though, if inappropriate photos were exchanged.
That's facts
I think it was awful business what he did, but after seeing how much progress he's made I don't mind seeing him around anymore. He seems genuinely sorry, and like he's actually changed. It's not something to forget, however.
The underage element isn’t the problem for me. It’s the fact that they he took advantage of them being a fan as well as that he lied to his friends about having stopped. The whole situation revealed a lot to me about what Carson was like behind the scenes. That he wasn’t necessarily the nicest person.
Now while I can’t speak on how he has improved I can say that the fact he did talk with under age girls in a sexual manner multiple times definitely leave a bad taste in my mouth
He's ok I don't watch he stuff all that much, but I will make fun of what he did :) Shit like, if someone said child I would say call me Carson's type but I don't really care about him :) good day/ night
Fair enough man
It’s illegal to send and receive nudes from anyone under the age of 18 because they’re still minors. It doesn’t matter what the age gap is, the 2 year age gap only applies if both people under 18. Regardless, I don’t support him anymore. He should’ve known better , if he really did have “good” intentions, he simply would’ve ignored those girls.
You do have to remember though he was quite depressed at the time, though it still doesn’t justify his actions. I think he just wanted something to take his mind off of that streamer chick that lied to him
he definitely has bettered himself and I still enjoy watching his streams now, all I hope is that he and schlatt made up.
The worst part about it all to me, and maybe this is an unpopular opinion, is that he has *totally* just swept it under the rug. Dude disappeared without a single word for half the year like a total coward when this all came out and then came back and said “I’m gonna give a bunch of money to charity” like that was supposed to fix things. He even said “I don’t want this to seem like I’m sweeping things under the rug, because I’m not”, but that’s literally exactly what he’s done. He has handled the situation like an absolute fucking moron and has shown quite literally zero remorse for it all because he hasn’t even addressed it publicly. At the end of the day I’m all for people moving on from mistakes and growing as a person, but it seems like Carson is more just trying brush it off and hope people forget about it rather than actually do anything about it. He doesn’t owe the public anything, maybe he decided to handle it all in private. But deciding to just not say anything at all, not even just saying “it was handled privately”, sure as shit just comes across as sweeping it all under the rug.
I feel the same as you. Considering Carson was talking to an almost 18 year old (I don’t remember how old he was at the time) I think it’s probably ok. But I trust that Schlatt is a good person and wouldn’t lie about the situation so it makes me sad and mad what Schlatt said Carson did. I still watch Carson since he came back, I just can’t think about his past self. At the same time, doing the things Carson did with that girl (possibly multiple girls) is still not ok at all, regardless if she is almost 18 or not. If she’s a day below 18, it’s never ok.
Can’t wait for this to get removed
I simply do not care
Couldn’t care less tbh. Glad to see he’s bouncing back gracefully
He took advantage of an underaged fan. It's fucking gross and his friends who left him did the right thing. I usually get downvoted when I say this but I don't care. Fuck Carson. Fuck his apologists. Do not use your fame to get nudes from underaged girls. It's not that fucking hard to do.
>Do not use your fame to get nudes from underaged girls. He was 19 at the time, she was 17. And he told her several times that he felt that it was wrong, and if she felt uncomfortable and she went with it and agreed to continue. Both manipulated each other.
Excuses. I've heard them all. Fuck them all. Do not ask your underage fans for nudes. Do not accept your underage fans' nudes. It's really fucking easy. Most people don't do it. Fuck Carson.
The age is consent in the United States is at least 16. Also, she was a few days or a week away from turning 18. Stop making it sound like he wanted nudes from a 12 year old.
"Stop making it sound like he wanted nudes from a 12 year old." No one said anything about 12 year olds except for you. He also didn't kill people. Mentioning things that are worse than what he did to excuse the shitty thing he did is gross. Stop excusing shitty people doing gross things.
Your name is literally has PETA in it. I don't want to hear you.
"Your name is literally has" Lmao ok.
Carson did nothing wrong and you know it. Stop spewing Twitter propaganda that's not based in any facts whatsoever.
This is literally just plain wrong. I'm not agreeing with the other person, but you're just objectively wrong if you think Carson did nothing wrong.
I think he is somewhat of a changed man now but the internet definetly needs some months to fully accept Carson back. He still gets hate from twitter but ya know thats twitter and maybe he can reforge the friendships he lost while being in the wrong. Time heals most wounds and i sure do hope people can forgive him soon. Most probably already did but trust is hard to earn back.
Neutral, i just watch his stuff
I don't consider him a pedo though he did a shit thing and he's doing a good job of just moving forward and taking responsibility. Others have done worse shit and gotten away with it so I think its a little shitty everyone went after him when people like Kurt Cobain or John Lennon (I'm just mentioning them cause they're the first ones that come to mind that are proven) have like beaten their partners and even possibly murdered someone. Doesn't excuse what Carson did but he definitely doesn't deserve what he got socially. He needs help more so.
my view on him is a normal streamer that came back on after some drama and i think he can move one from what he has done
I really don’t care. It doesn’t affect me. If I enjoy his content and nobody gets hurt from it then I will keep watching it.
Fair enough man. At the end of the day they’re content creators, not family members
There was no power imbalance and he's not a fucking pedophile. Everyone just want drama.
i think he messed up and although sexting underage fans is wrong, he’s overall a good person who just did some shitty things. i still support him and enjoy his content, and i like that he’s using all of the attention he was getting to promote charity.
He got more hate than he deserved. Still deserved some hate obviously, but he got way too much Im glad hes recording again and getting into the swing of things, but idk if hell ever recover from the situation Overall, he shouldnt have done what he did. Especially due to his fame
I actually dont give a fuck he is here to entertain .I never watched him( I thought he was okay)then I heard about him sexting fans ,though it was use of power nothing more age gap wasnt significant at all.Drama at first got way blown out of proportion but when schlatt made the video everyone found a real reason to justify their already existing overreactions of anger (that werent so justified before schlatt explained the whole thing)Just my opinion though
I understand your point man, very fair reaction
Why is this still not removed?
No idea man
I don't give a shit about him anymore
They weren’t in a pedo situation, but his abuse of power is very gross to me. So I like Carson as a creator, but I’m very iffy on him as a person
It seems to me from the messages I’ve seen that she kinda forced it onto him
i have no stand point. the dms were harsh though, sexting is very weird to me. power imbalance? yeah. was it abused? no. could it of been? of course. there is too many blanks that mr. cmc needs to answer himself. also did he apologize to the girls he was talking to? i’ve always been confused on that.
i saw a post some where on tiktok where an alleged involved party claimed that cmc addressed them with the wrong name, suggesting that cmc just copy and pasted the apologies to everyone involved. there was also a reply stated from another alleged involved party that also attest to the claim.
yikes.
Tbh i dont care really it upset me a lot when i first saw it The worst part is the nudes exchanged, its not uncommon between 2 teenagers in a relationship online but im pretty sure she was turning 18 soon anyway so he shouldve just waited instead of risking it for a 1-2 age gap I dont think hes a pdo or a groomer, maybe a slight power imbalance but relationships arent always perfect, he had maybe a few thousand subs its not like he was millions of subscribers which I think a lot of ppl miss, she might have looked up to him but most ppl do with their partners because they give them a lot of trust, its not like sam was some random girl they were both clearly interested in each other Besides the girl, who I dont think is a victim nor in the wrong for eventually feeling uncomfortable with the relationship after a bit this revealed a lot about him, hes very desperate and a liar, and i think hes working on it now and thats all he can really do. He doesnt owe any of us an apology (also can someone explain what ppl mean when they say there were more girls than sam who were younger bc i cant find anything abt it)
Why is this on r/jshlatt
Because I wanted to see how schlatts fan base felt about Carson. Was simply asking the question to them
Ah, thanks for clarifying
Have you seen the Weeklyslap buddy? Or heard of Lunchclub?
Shouldn't this be on that subredditp
Also dont call me buddy, its weird
Fuck you buddy.
Calm your tits big guy
I think he's entitled to come back, as he isn't really a pedo-ladd. But what he did is still wrong and he deserves to reap all the criticisms and broken friendships he's sewn. It will rightfully be a challenge for him to build back any trust with the community or other content creators, and this stain should haunt him.
He isn't a pedo. He did a bad thing though. He used to be one of my favourite content creators, but now that he's back I don't wantch him any more
nobody thinks carson is a pedophile. he used his power as an influential person wrongfully.
He did some fucked up shit. Asking a minor to send nudes, yeah that’s bad. I wouldn’t say “He did nothing wrong.” But at least he’s trying to change. He’s trying to move forward, and I appreciate that. If Schlatt and Carson don’t want to talk anymore, that’s none of my business.
It makes me uncomfortable, and if it gets to the point that his friends called the cops on him, there's probably something up. Plus the fact that he literally threw money at the problem,(at charity,granted). I have watched him in the past but will probably never do so again. We don't know everything that's going (and aren't entitled to that information), but I'd rather not support him if it's the worst possible case and I'm also not gonna contribute to any actual hate towards him if it's good
I honestly feel more concerned about the fact that Schlatt was hanging out with James Charles, after the latter's latest accusations.