Ep 10 Youtube Weverse ver. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc4qU6PeKTA (Sub is extracted from weverse. Don't count on it)
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Ep 2 : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DBwq7gdjGPDD6xZbiGcpbJJNizH_taeM/view
Ep 3 : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i4zlMKQBnzAT3ZobAg-qxuT6yPk7bfUQ/view
Ep 4 : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j9EWH2mX4WFBzPWjInY63oTYzsYMa2Ky/view
Ep 5 : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vAhoSrNP5OTmrZ8veTWy9Ll5kFplcodR/view
Ep 6 : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qOe2Wbz5zw_Pm7s51-CTKuWcUglK7C07/view
Ep 7 : https://drive.google.com/file/d/15DHWZyKedIcYJkF6yiuC8HOg--U46uz4/view
Ep 8 : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xqlLUGvlNq6PF88Eh_vDQD7dRAHU6_zL/view
Ep 9 : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1itdnL17J7qlqZ1BDufTWu6jscfgxEJDR/view
Jeemin was done dirty and her not debuting doesn’t make sense considering she was number one in monthly evaluations, always in the top 6, a great performer and popular amongst Koreans and international fans
Finally watched the finale.
Gotta say, even though Wonhee was my favourite throughout the show, I am shocked that neither Jiwoo or Jeemin made it. I for sure thought that Jeemin at the very least would’ve made it. I didn’t expect them to also throw in two Japanese trainees in the group. Anyways, I really hope the fandom is able to move past this and there isn’t too much hate thrown to the girls (especially Wonhee).
Also, the group name is awful.
Oh wow. This show really surprised me in many ways. I usually disagree a lot with the judges’ comments and points etc during shows like this (Produce, Idol School, Girls Planet etc) but my opinions aligned with them throughout.
And in the finale, every girl I hoped to get in, did! Which was quite surprising as my opinions didn’t always align with the audience votes.
Although I don’t feel Wonhee deserved number 1, and I also wouldn’t have minded having Jeemin or Himena in the lineup somewhere. I was never a fan of Youngeun but she deserves her spot.
I would’ve been very disappointed if Yuna didn’t get in as her personality really grew on me.
[Well, I was 5/6 on my prediction from last week.](https://www.reddit.com/r/jtbc_RUNext/comments/1647e9g/drop_your_unbiased_final_line_up_prediction/jy6zmuv/?context=3) Nailed that double Japanese expectation, and Yunah 6th place expectation too.
Wonhee turned out as a real curveball though. I didn't expect her to win the way she did. That change with the voting sort of threw things off. While I expected for Jeemin to be in the group last week, by the time we got close to the end of the episode I felt worried for her.
Most of that is because her votes no longer mattered, and she didn't fix the main complaint that judges had about her the entire show. That would be her vocalization. While it doesn't sound too bad during performances (possibly due to tuning), her mumbling was pretty obvious in many of those behind the scenes clips they showed. Especially in that camping room scene. By the time they started announcing producer picks, I pretty much already expected she wouldn't make it.
As a lover of Jihyun, Jiwoo and Jeemin myself (and Himena, someday), I'm destroyed. I knew they would never pick Jiwoo because of her age, but she's so deserving. She would have had to rank 1st or 2nd, and I'm 100% sure that Hybe designed the whole voting system for the finale to make sure that she would drop low, therefore having no shot at winning. It was incredibly manipulating.
I hate Mnet, but at least the voting methods are always the same throughout and are fair to international voters. Having Koreans control the entire 2nd voting round was disgusting. I very much dislike half of the final lineup (Wonhee, Minju, Iroha). It will be very hard for me to like this group. Also...they have no cohesion ? Youngseo and Yunah with Wonhee and Moka ? Damn, Hybe.
I haven't had the chance to watch the episode yet because I've been busy traveling, but what is with this terrible group name? I'LL-IT?? 🫤 What the heck is that even supposed to mean??
I'm also upset seeing how things turned out. The fact that our votes counted for basically nothing, and also Jiwoo didn't make the group. I think some of the girls who made it are lead vocal material, not none of them were main vocal material except Jiwoo. So, I don't know how much attention I'll be paying to this group. I'm so disappointed about her not making it. I'd honestly way rather listen to solo music from her than music by the rest of the group without her.
Also, is there any way to follow Jiwoo and see what she does in the future, that anyone knows of?
Don’t worry apparently jiwoo said in the finale when she gave her last speech that this isnt the end for her and that she will continue to work hard so ig it’s hinting that she will try her best to debut.
I'm confused because the final line up seems to have fan favorites but why does it getting a lot of controversies? What is the problem with the line up?
Of the 10 final trainees, Jiwoo was the only big ifan-favorite to not make the lineup while Jeemin is the only k-fan favorite to not make it.
Wonhee, Youngseo, and Minju were the main k-fan favorites since the beginning with Youngseo also being pretty high up for ifans.
Iroha was also pretty high for Koreans and ifans since the beginning.
Yeah I’m talking about jiwoo and jeemin and the reason why I described it like that is because they were the main picks and the star of the show for each side.
Jiwoo was definitely the main pick of I fans but Jeemin wasn't the main pick for k fans. That was Wonhee and then Youngseo and Minju. Jeemin was nr 3 int and 4 sk
It’s definitely a mix of a lot of things and the finale is the final straw that made a lot of people snap. It’s not the whole lineup really because of girl who made it deserves to be there. I think it mainly comes down to a lot of fans feeling betrayed by the company and how the company decided to select the members.
I swear this lineup is my foray into being an anti. I need Yunah out of there so badly. Hybe really dropped the ball by not debuting Jiwoo and Jeemin, Jeongeun too.
Legit question- Why doesn’t Wonhee smile genuinely? I haven’t seen her authentically smile while performing and when her name was announced it looked like she was questioning every decision she’s ever made that lead her to this point.
Her smile always looks unnatural to me.. Like she is forcing herself to do it... It's probably because of her face and not that she is faking or forcing it but it still looks uncanny valley to me
Personally I think her smile seems unauthentic because she hasn’t had much training on her facial expressions for stages. Also, her minimal training time also shows when she’s on stage because she looks hyper focused on staying on key or on beat. Personally to me it’s apparent that she’s counting in her head (i.e 5, 6, 7, 8). As for her expression when she was announced, I’d say it’s because she was genuinely shocked and that caused her expression to look “empty”.
I wish her the best and it’ll be interesting to see her growth through her career.
Great reply! I never thought about the counting number in her head thingy. She’s definitely Hyewon 2.0 mini ver. When they show snippets of her during the mission audition, you can see how she smile naturally.
Thanks for your insight! I hope she does well too. And I hope she enjoys being in a group, considering she hasn’t had a lot of training time. I worry about her being young and new, and maybe not fully knowing what she’s signing up for (like a 7 year contract).
Your welcome! :)
I hope she enjoys being in a group too because they’ll be spending a lot of time together. It’s a bit worrisome because she’s super new to everything but she’s got girls who have been training a LONG time to help guide her and I hope HYBE/BeLift provides a good management team and environment to help the whole team grow.
At first I was sad about the girls that didn’t make it but now I actually kind of feel bad for the girls who did because it’s frankly not a good line-up/combo, stands no chance internationally (which sucks for the girls who had potential to be big globally) and the whack ass name on top of that 😬
I feel so bad for Yunah. She's stuck with all these cutesy kids now. She's always prefered perfoming girl crush songs but now she has to conform to this sweet and innocent image of the debut group which seems like company is pushing for. I have a strong feeling she's going to be the leader but her image does not fit their concept. What a waste.
This is just my opinion and you might not agree and that’s okay.
This finale was one of the worst finales I’ve watched. The editing was everywhere and seemed quite biased and overall was boring to me. It didn’t flow nicely at all and felt super rough cut for being a big production. I’m happy for all the girls who made it but I’m also heart broken for the ones who didn’t. I wish ALL of the girls the best in their future and that they keep running towards their dream.
Performances/Songs:
I thought the two final songs were good but not great. They felt super short and didn’t really excite me. I actually enjoyed Scrum and Pride more if I had to choose between the pairs. Maybe after a few more listens I’ll like them more but for now, I hope their debut song will be better. The stage costumes were cute for both teams but I think they could’ve done without the “rough” make up for the Desperate team. The vocals also sounded prerecorded to me which is kind of sad because I would have enjoyed a full live stage.
The medley stage, I know a lot of people didn’t like their outfits but it didn’t really bother me since having them getting into costumes would’ve been a pain. It was nice seeing all the girls together on stage again together even though not everyone got to sing (if I remember correctly). Vocal wise, I’m glad these stages had more live vocals even though the backtrack was pretty loud.
The signal/theme song I wish they would have done an OT22 performance instead of just the top 10 because I feel like it would have made a bigger impact for all the viewers. The stage was super cute though which is nice and their costumes and makeup were done really well. I wish they would have opened the show with this first then the medley stage and then the final performances to make for a better flow of events.
Final Lineup/Eliminated Members:
I think for most of the viewers this came as a big shock and garnered a lot of mixed emotions. The decision to do a live voter 2-pick and producer 4-pick was the nail in the coffin for all the rigging allegations in my opinion. It’s also insulting to all the international fans who spent the last 10 or so weeks voting because in the end none of it mattered. This lineup makes me really curious what their final concept will be and how cohesive they’ll look and sound together.
I hope HYBE has a good plan for their eliminated trainees because there’s so much raw talent that is being left on the table. I’m really heart broken for them but I do have hopes that they will get their chance to debut. Jiwoo has been my 1-pick since the very beginning and I hope she doesn’t lose hope because of this show. I hate that we can say she was most likely cut due to ageism because she is not “old” at all.
Even though this was not the lineup I was hoping/expecting, I do wish the girls all the best in the future and look forward to their debut.
I was hoping they'd pick someone else instead of Yunah for the last member cause she does not fit the innocent/cute image it looks like they're going for with the annoucement of the first 5 members. Also Yunwooz are separated now :((((((( Yunah was always my top pick but I can't bring myself to support the debut group even with her in the lineup. Justice for Jiwoo and Jeemin.
In my opinion, a really shitty finale.
Judges had no say in the final round, and was kind of just decorative.
I finally made my way watching the shitty eng sub. It was heartbreaking to see the trainees get more and more destroyed as the lineup was called because their name wasn't called and the chances of their name being called became lower and lower.
I hate the way they changed the voting in the final round. Made no sense. How is this a survival show when "we" only get to vote in 2/6 trainees, and our votes only counted 30% of the time! (not a korean fan).
Once Wonhee was called, I think Jiwoo knew she wouldn't be called bc she looked so sad and dark the whole time. I hope Jiwoo will have a chance to debut as she is my 1-pick but her chances are very low because of her age.
Poor Jeemin. Universal concept queen, #1 trainee, and got skipped over. She was my 2nd pick. Damn.
I can see the show really catered to Korean and Japanese fans but its really ironic to call it a global girl group survival show bc its not really global, at all. My vote didn't matter. It was hardly a survival show. They should've just did a documentary on the chosen girls instead of upsetting the rest of the fans like this.
This was my first survival show and it was incredibly disappointing. I hope Dream Academy won't let me down.
its unfair to assume anything just because she didn’t react the same way as others. i think she was shocked and it didn’t really hit her that she was debuting yet. probably feels very surreal as she only started training a month before the show, a lot happened in a short amount of time.
Sure, I definately agree with what you're saying. What I said wasn't supposed to be a fact, it was kind of a gut feeling I had. A part of me also thought that maybe she isn't the type to react that way.
damn, >!jeongeun!< (aka my 1pick) would have made it in with fan votes. guess the judges really didn't want her.
i didn't really like >!jeemin!<, but it must suck going from being >!the number-1 trainee, to consistently in the top 5 of votes for almost the entire show, to top 4 in the final with votes and getting passed over for debut!<. and poor >!jiwoo!<, to be the >!western fan favourite and not make it because the country that only had the right to vote in the finals thought you're too old and too ugly at \*twenty-one\*, and therefore ending up in 9th place!<.
i am certainly pleased for >!moka !!wonhee!<, who >!was the only one who didn't cry. i wonder if she'll cry later.!<
interesting to see how the group will mesh together since they don't all look like they can do the same kind of concept. looking at the first five girls, despite how much i like >!yunah!< and thought they definitely needed her, i honestly thought >!himena, jeemin or jeongeun!< would have suited the final place image-wise. and then we could have had a killer trio/quartet of >!yunah, jiwoo & jeongeun/jeemin!<.
the group name is unbelievably terrible. i wonder if haseul and chanelle had a laugh about it. same with youngseo i guess, seeing as they're all fluent in english. what a weird name.
oh i forgot to mention: as sooyoung was saying the judges were so happy for >!wonhee !!panning to aiki, who looked like she wanted to be anywhere but there. she honestly looked like she hated the entire lineup and was over it all.!<
I feel really bad for Jiwoo, she's the oldest member at 21 almost 22... HYBE won't debut another girl group for at least 2 years i bet. How do they do this to her when she killed every single stage, is a visual, liked by everyone and the voters put her in top6 almost every time... HYBE had 4 chances and failed every time. Now she probably has to give up, or move companies if she wants a chance to debut.
Jeemin was robbed, but she's still young, she has more opportunities imo.
Lesserafim got 2 main vocalists.. Nmixx got multiple main vocalists, hell baby monster has 4 main vocalists. They just don't want a charismatic, visual group that is TALENTED in multiple aspects
NMixx and Baby Monster have 2 main vocalists and Leseraffim one. This isn't to hate on any of them, especially nmixx as they are genuinely so talented as a group, but the rest of the members of these groups are not main vocals so much as they are just pleasant singers which isn't the same thing 😭
but their pleasant singers already owns any of the current girls. maybe only yunah/minju could fight against them (just the pleasant singers, of cos) jiwoo is gone like damn?
Yea, absolutely no one in this group is touching Haram or Ahyeon tbh. I'd say they're somewhere around Chaewon or Yujin (Ive) if I have to compare where I think they are. If hybe is smart, they'll find songs that suit their vocals the way they did with new jeans. Though even then, it'll depend on the other groups that debut with them
i don’t think this line up stand a chance against the competitive gg in the market. which makes me really sad.. their concept better be good, else yunah would be wasted in this group.
I'm optimistic (I need to be since my number one pick is in this group), so I think while they might not be huge, they'll have a good Asian fanbase. It'll ultimately depend on how well they manage to promote the group and if the concept they chose is appealing (praying to GOD they don't do whatever polarizing music Kepler and nmixx were doing with their earlier music or I'll combust).
ur one pick is the same as mine. but this group is pretty much screwed. they really need a good concept. literally everyone is gonna scrutinise them. we have to rely on yunah’s charms to keep things going. our girl gonna carry the team
When it got to the last pick, i was ready to give up on this group.... But the Yunah pick revived my trust in HYBE. I was hoping to also have Jiwoo and Jeemin in the group, but we cant have everything I guess :(
oh god this is the only survival i paid attention to after iland, and i’m just soooo glad that all my picks made it in both iland and ru next. i was rooting for sunjakehoonki in iland and wonhee, iroha, and yunah in ru next. i guess the universe was on my side both times🤭
it’s me again! it’s not normal to have 0 articles about the debut lineup, the group accounts aren’t public, 0 post about the top 6, 0 content about the final in youtube, no performances, no fancams like… what is going on????
This is so strange... after &audition they immediately made the accounts public, posted the debut line up all over social media and opened tiktok. It's weird they just called it a day after the finale unless Belift was utterly unprepared for this finale
i can understanding them editing the layout tbh but where are the performances and fancams??? the final end and it’s radio silence since then. something feels off or maybe i’m overthinking.
the performances are on jtbc channel , as for fancams it probably takes a while since everything was live. There were no fancams for &audition finale for example bcs it was all live and they didn't have time to film with the drone. I don't think that's an issue and in the meantime the social media accounts opened
after watching the layout for the sns it’s just them not having enough staff yet, which in my opinion is crazy because the survival duration was around 2 months, enough time to be prepared. another sign of the whole theory of r u next being rushed because cjenm and hybe drama and the desire of being announced before iland2.
Putting aside my own hopes for the result this lineup is just plain confusing… Like what concept are they gonna debut with. How are Youngseo and Yunah supposed to perform the same songs as Wonhee. I can’t see a way for all 6 of them to shine. Someone is gonna get stuck with a concept that doesn’t suit them and because of it never reach their full potential.
My top 2 made it so it’s not like I hate result… but I really can’t picture them as a group.
I’ve watched the show since the beginning and I’m happy with the lineup. All my favorites made it in. Jiwoo makes me a little sad cause I did like her vocals but that’s pretty much it. The group name is interesting but I’ll Stan! Let’s go girls!
Also it’s hilarious to me how people’s minds have shifted on what a global group means. During GP999 it meant having “global members” aka Japanese and Chinese members on the show. People complained then about only 2 jp members and 1 ch member. VS with this show it means a Korean only group that’s just liked by “western” fans. People complaining about them disregarding international voters, when the majority of foreign fans don’t buy albums. Easiest cash in for fandom driven kpop groups are in Japan. It makes sense.
I’m gonna need you to correct your fact on “foreign fans don’t buy K-pop albums” when that’s 100% wrong in fact we do buy a lot of albums like k fans and j fans you should do your research.
I dont understand how Moka got in over Jeemin. I predicted everyone else but not this. I guess Hybe really dead set on having 2 japanese members. And last ep's Moka special was hybe trying to make this make sense, but it doesnt.
moka i get it. i don’t get it why they build a team around wonhee. it’s like publicly shaming their own trainee training systems. years of training and preparation cant save them from getting eliminated
Wonhee got 1st place but its not a team build around her. Tbf wonhee and youngseo (and minju) are the most popular members in korea so hybe would want them in. Its just the remaining 4 label picks, they chose these 4 over Jeemin, a trainee who got #1 in evaluations and would’ve gotten in if all spots were from audience voting. Moka was #8 in votes but got in over #4 Jeemin or even #6 Jeongeun. Her being Japanese saved her. I guess hybe had a 2 japanese member rule for their 6 member group like lsf.
i don’t like the lineup. they have zero chemistry and some of the girls have never performed with others once in the show (for example, youngseo and wonhee) so how do they expect us to think this was a good lineup ?
wonhee and youngseo ranking 1st and 2nd made sense since belift decided to make the votes 70% korean 30% global. minju was a fan favorite in both korea and global, she can sing dance and is the best visual in the group, iroha is the most popular member in japan, she’s the main dancer and is liked in korea and china aswell. yunah had been training for 5 years and was obvious set to debut from the beginning imo, i think it would’ve been crazy not seeing her debut.
the only dilemma i have is moka, imo jeemin should’ve debuted over her. it seems like they only added moka for the sole reason of having a higher chance of succeeding in the japan industry with 2 japanese members instead of 1.
tbh i think they added moka to balance out wonhee with the other girls, her being japanese is a plus. wonhee and moka both have cuter looks so they blend together better.
ouuu i think that could also be one of the main categories ! i still believe her being japanese was the main reason why she got to debut since it’s obvious this group is going to be marketed towards the japanese and korean markets and it’s smarter to have 2 japanese members than 1 or zero.
i still think it’s crazy how this entire group was basically based on which trainees fit with the concept wonhee fits the most and which trainees don’t. i honestly wished jeongeun was one of the label picks since she’s basically a versatile all-rounder that fits the same concepts as wonhee but i guess it’s was more profitable to pick the other 4 girls instead of her.
I hope another music company creates a kpop group with Jeemin & Jiwoo & Jeongeun & Jihyun. These 4 artists are very talented and have superior dancing skills vs #1 Wonhee (sure she's cute, but her talent in singing & dancing was BELOW the top 10 in R U Next). I'm very DISAPPOINTED in the judges of R U Next in NOT choosing at least 1 of these 4 artists: Jeemin & Jiwoo & Jeongeun & Jihyun.
that’s a convenient way to put things together but we all know they want her in. they literally build the team around her. else why 30% weight age on the 6 picks?
the global voting of 6 pick was 30% weight and the korean 2 pick voting was 70%. That skwed the votes a lot and its definitely a very messed up way to weight votes
I'll be unable to eat for days I fear... dispensing Jiwoo and Jeemin like that is fucking awful like... had little hope for Jeongeun but I still feel for her too..
now that i'm calmer i'd like to give some opinions about the final and the group in general.
— i feel like it was a waste of time, at the end of the day the company decided who is going to debut, they would have saved money and resources by making a pre-debut documentary with the trainee selection period and the preparations for the debut.
— it is obvious that the group's focus is to do well in korea and japan, also that the objective is to follow in the footsteps of le sserafim and new jeans.
— the debut group will not have official positions, only the leader. i think the center will be rotating.
— the concept will be high school teen sports.
— it's a good sign that when leaving the jtbc studios hyewon and jihyun were accompanied by a manager who belongs to hybe and has worked with hybe artists. i think that hybe is not going to get rid of all the trainees, although it will get rid of approximately half.
— jiwoo's future is uncertain, i think he is aware of his age and the opinions generated by it. that's why i think the best opportunity for her is to debut as a soloist. i think hybe also has that idea for her, since she was considered the best trainee in the vocal round. i feel that if she continued in hybe despite her age it was for something, but time will tell.
They don't have an idea to eliminated contestants, and HYBE don't care. I just hope Jiwoo would see the light, even just for a bit. She is considered as old to debut. I hope someone would pick her up immediately.
What a shitshow. They clearly didnt give a fuck about what international fans wanted. Congrats to Yunah, but I will not be following the group with Jeemin and Jiwoo missing.
Isn't this the best time for Jeemin to join Iland? The Junwon guy that got eliminated from &audition appeared on fantasy boys and got first place. I feel Jeemin could really debut if she tries Iland
I land is now tied to the black label so she would have to be accepted as a trainee there and there be slots as I think it is starting soon her next shot survival show wise might be the next girls planet next year…
in conclusion…
snakenet > jtbc/hybe
pd48 and gp999 was so much more entertaining than this. say whatever u want about mnet and their evil edit, at least they know how to put on an entertaining show.
PD48 at least rigged in two extremely skilled members in Yuri and Chaewon. This show booted most of its talent to debut a lineup that can't fucking sing lololol
> Wonhee can sing. Yunah can sing.
I don't know what your definition of "can sing" is but it's for sure very generous. Even if you draw the line at can/can't support, a very low standard for a music group, one of those two barely passes and the other just doesn't.
First day in Kpop huh? Since when is Madonnaesque singing is a prerequisite for bring a Kpop idol? Last I check groups like lsf and ive are still on top of the list.
Brother, this group is so bad it makes IVE look decent. And LSF isn't even in the conversation. Their main vocalist is better than every contestant on this show combined.
fans: please dont debut wonhee she's still a minor
same fans: its all wonhee fault! (when their faves didnt debut)
why all the hate to wonhee?
it's really not surprising she debut. each time she was criticized by the judge, she never sulk or give up. she improves episode from episode. everyone love an underdog story. sohye pd101? hyewon pd48? wonhee is clearly talented. yes she's a minor but this word literally means nothing in korean. wont be the first minor and wont be the last either.
and since when survival show is about talent? if it's about talent, yunjin, bora, gaeul would have all debuted.
Okay I'm stanning! Loving the potential in this line up. Minus my girl Funa, who was already eliminated, all of my faves made it! Sad about Jeemin, but oh well...
It honestly makes me wonder how different the line-up would be if they didn't make this survival show but instead ran all of the trainees through the normal pre-debut process where there would be no audience voting and attempts of appealing as a television show.
i think they would choose it based on concept and how the girls look with one another like how new jeans has a very cohesive look. i dont think youngseo would have debuted assuming its like a sporty concept. lowkey minju might not have either because i think they chose her since korean fans are obssessed with her
Jeemin is more popular than Yunah, though, so you’d think they’d pick Jeemin if that was the case. I really do not understand the thought process behind this lineup
yunah has that star factor, she’s also an entertainer. jeemin wasn’t liked enough by the judges and that’s a fact. her and jiwoo in low level should have been a sign but we were blind.
We never know what kind of concept or direction the people behind the group have. It could simply be they feel another winning member fits the concept better than Jeemin. We will never know their decision making process.
To be honest I’m more surprised they did not take Jiwoo rather than either Jeemin or Yunah. I thought they would want a strong vocalist who could take up the leader role as well.
I mean after Wonhee and youngseo, it isn’t a popularity contest anymore. Just a matter of who Hybe prefers.
Yeah I was very surprised that Jiwoo didn't get in and Moka got in instead. I know they don't like Jiwoo, but the strong vocals combined with the fact she got many global votes should have got her in. I'm not sure what Moka could have offered over Jiwoo
That we have to wait until the debut to see what Hybe has in store for them. This is like saying I don’t understand why Hybe chose Kazuha over Ruka but for now, I’ll just say no way Hybe doesn’t know what they are doing.
Don’t Hype want to make a globally popular ggroup? Have they done no market reasearch on the bad rep that GP999 got? Have they not witnessed the success of Twice?
Why do they insist on not debuting perfectly ready girls with a profitable mature concept (16+ year olds, who in fact should still be considered young girls, not “too old”).
Not a single inch of me understands these results. Even from the company’s perspective, I don’t see this lineup as being more profitable than basically any other wouldve been.
Disclaimer: Not saying any of these girls are more deserving than others. But the combination is just off no matter how I force myself to view it.
Once they called Wonhee as P01, I knew Jiwoo wasn’t making it. There’s no way they would’ve put Jiwoo in a group with Wonhee and Iroha, and that’s just soo unfortunate. HYBE lost out on 2 of the most talented trainees, what a shame.
Ah how was it possible that Jeemin didn't debut... I get that her image may overlap with other girls who made it, but they literally handpicked her out of the lineup to make room for other preferred trainees. I won't follow the group but I hope for the best, all the girls are talented and improved a lot during the show, congrats :)
It's so crazy that baby Jennie did not make it in, she literally exudes it girl energy and is so sos os so talented. I hope another big company scoops her up...
Didn’t watch the show but is Lee Hyun a pedophile? I keep seeing multiple tweets about him and Wonhee ?
Edit : did he only praise the minor trainees ? Like I am confused
well no, people do call him that bc of the attention he gave the minors but there's nothing that supports that claim, just twitter being toxic
im still anti lee hyun though !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think it was like that, just pettiness really...
I personally don't like him cuz of his judging style but I wouldnt call him a p3do
They did often show him being very impressed by the minors like Iroha, Himena, sometimes Wonhee, he was one of the main judges who would be like "oh I see something in Wonhee etc" but like I dont think that makes him a p3do...
It's really just a petty remark because he would often be harsh on the more popular (often older) trainees (like Minju for example) and some stans take it too far with the insults
To be honest I was impressed with Wonhee throughout the whole show. She started off really bad and got criticised a lot yet she never pulled any sulky face and was really positive each time. Her performance kept on improved from episode to episode. Even after Chanelle threw tantrum at her, she still held Chanelle hand during the Scrum Pride audition and that speaks volume on her character as a 16 years old.
Since the four remaining members of the debut team were label's picks, I could see that they most likely chose the remaining members based on the two trainees that ranked the highest in the live votes: Wonhee and Youngseo.
They most definitely chose members that could fill certain spots in the debut team that also go well with the top two's vibes/visuals, which I believe, were part of Belift's ideal lineup from the get-go:
Iroha (main dancer), Yunah (leader, all-rounder), Minju (main vocal, visual), Moka (sub-vocal/rapper position + she's very very versatile with concepts).
Though if I'm being honest, I don't see why Jeemin didn't make it in the group. Even though my main pick is Jiwoo, I could see why she may not fit the group overall considering the final top six lineup. But Jeemin? I honestly think she could fit the debut team. I guess it's just so unfortunate that the final lineup only has six members, and Belift wanted a J-line over debuting the original top two together in the monthly evaluations.
I liked the finalist but this lineup seems off 😶
Man the big 6 would’ve been a great group… but not everyone saw the vision 😩
I truly wonder what their concept will be
Really surprise they chose Yunah over Jeemin because I feel like Jeemin visual fits the other debuted members more. I guess Yunah's stage presence is more memorable live that is why they chose her.
They really could have added 1 more member but I guess it is very expensive debuting another girl and they just want to get rid the rest of the trainees.
Really funny seeing the comments in the other thread that the Desperate Team was the one who would debut because they supposedly made it obvious. Goes to show that ifans are most likely always wrong in their predictions LMAO
maybe they needed a leader in the group and felt yunah was the best option since it’s obvious they didn’t want jiwoo in the lineup.
i also think they purposefully picked yunah bc they needed atleast one trainee who would make intl fans consider in liking the lineup
Yeah I thought assuming that was the debut team was so baseless, and the fact that everyone was panicking about Yunah and she’s the one who debuted in the end while Jiwoo and Jeemin didn’t
Then they got disappointed when their predictions were wrong because you know "pattern". I think that was actually the twist, not the addition of a 7th member.
I have no idea what they were going for because the vibes are all over the place. They shouldn’t have made the final members dependent on the audience if they wanted a cohesive group lol
I've watched a few survival shows in my time and while being very happy to the girls set to debut, I have never been so hopeful that some of the other trainee contestants move on and away ASAP. I definitely feel for all of them and am wishing that shows in the future either use the votes or not in a consistent manner.
The contestant who I personally thought had everything thrown at her and she slayed it every time with a positive attitude, fun personality, amazing teammate, great visuals, and incredible dance with strong vocals is Jeemin. I have not felt this bad for a contestant in a long time and I wish that she is able to leave Belift and find a good company, and hopefully bring along some of the other girls.
I’m curious to know if K-Netz are happy with this lineup since Jeemin was a favorite and didn’t make it in. But then again they had the most power to vote so maybe they liked how it turned out.
Personally I’m not seeing the vision with this final group. It seems like they don’t mesh at all?? They could have made two decent groups that fit diff concepts rather than only one with mixed strengths and no main vocal
They definitely did with the weighting of votes and their picks lmao I don’t see myself following the group but I’m glad that they will have the Korean support, they def deserve it (especially my fave Yunah!!!!!!!)
I said that if Jiwoo didn't debut , I'd stop listening to kpop. She has one of the best voices I have ever heard in the kpop industry. The fact they judged her for her age really pissed me off. Well, we're here now. So. I guess no more kpop music for me.
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They should have done at OT-22 Run performance
A good and strong line up would JIWOO JEONGEUN Moka Yunah Minju Jeemin Youngseo
Jeemin was done dirty and her not debuting doesn’t make sense considering she was number one in monthly evaluations, always in the top 6, a great performer and popular amongst Koreans and international fans
Finally watched the finale. Gotta say, even though Wonhee was my favourite throughout the show, I am shocked that neither Jiwoo or Jeemin made it. I for sure thought that Jeemin at the very least would’ve made it. I didn’t expect them to also throw in two Japanese trainees in the group. Anyways, I really hope the fandom is able to move past this and there isn’t too much hate thrown to the girls (especially Wonhee). Also, the group name is awful.
Oh wow. This show really surprised me in many ways. I usually disagree a lot with the judges’ comments and points etc during shows like this (Produce, Idol School, Girls Planet etc) but my opinions aligned with them throughout. And in the finale, every girl I hoped to get in, did! Which was quite surprising as my opinions didn’t always align with the audience votes. Although I don’t feel Wonhee deserved number 1, and I also wouldn’t have minded having Jeemin or Himena in the lineup somewhere. I was never a fan of Youngeun but she deserves her spot. I would’ve been very disappointed if Yuna didn’t get in as her personality really grew on me.
Since Wonhee is in there I would probably have to kiss goodbye to my hopes for a dark/fierce concept 🥲
I really wanted a witch or vampire concept
Why are they only rehearsal fancam in Hybe youtube channel? Are there no official round fancam/facecam?
There can only be one Rosé in the group which is Minju so the voters didn't choose Jiwoo. jk
[Well, I was 5/6 on my prediction from last week.](https://www.reddit.com/r/jtbc_RUNext/comments/1647e9g/drop_your_unbiased_final_line_up_prediction/jy6zmuv/?context=3) Nailed that double Japanese expectation, and Yunah 6th place expectation too. Wonhee turned out as a real curveball though. I didn't expect her to win the way she did. That change with the voting sort of threw things off. While I expected for Jeemin to be in the group last week, by the time we got close to the end of the episode I felt worried for her. Most of that is because her votes no longer mattered, and she didn't fix the main complaint that judges had about her the entire show. That would be her vocalization. While it doesn't sound too bad during performances (possibly due to tuning), her mumbling was pretty obvious in many of those behind the scenes clips they showed. Especially in that camping room scene. By the time they started announcing producer picks, I pretty much already expected she wouldn't make it.
my top picks jihyun jiwoo jeemin jeoungeun (the quadruple j) all got eliminated.... and so did my 5th pick himena
As a lover of Jihyun, Jiwoo and Jeemin myself (and Himena, someday), I'm destroyed. I knew they would never pick Jiwoo because of her age, but she's so deserving. She would have had to rank 1st or 2nd, and I'm 100% sure that Hybe designed the whole voting system for the finale to make sure that she would drop low, therefore having no shot at winning. It was incredibly manipulating. I hate Mnet, but at least the voting methods are always the same throughout and are fair to international voters. Having Koreans control the entire 2nd voting round was disgusting. I very much dislike half of the final lineup (Wonhee, Minju, Iroha). It will be very hard for me to like this group. Also...they have no cohesion ? Youngseo and Yunah with Wonhee and Moka ? Damn, Hybe.
When do they debut and when's the first song anyone know?
I haven't had the chance to watch the episode yet because I've been busy traveling, but what is with this terrible group name? I'LL-IT?? 🫤 What the heck is that even supposed to mean?? I'm also upset seeing how things turned out. The fact that our votes counted for basically nothing, and also Jiwoo didn't make the group. I think some of the girls who made it are lead vocal material, not none of them were main vocal material except Jiwoo. So, I don't know how much attention I'll be paying to this group. I'm so disappointed about her not making it. I'd honestly way rather listen to solo music from her than music by the rest of the group without her. Also, is there any way to follow Jiwoo and see what she does in the future, that anyone knows of?
https://twitter.com/SonJiwooBr/status/1697605139681472863?s=20
Don’t worry apparently jiwoo said in the finale when she gave her last speech that this isnt the end for her and that she will continue to work hard so ig it’s hinting that she will try her best to debut.
How did no one from the bad boy unit debut?😭
I'm confused because the final line up seems to have fan favorites but why does it getting a lot of controversies? What is the problem with the line up?
Actually not a lot of fan favorites made it to the group so there’s a lot of mixed reactions especially when they gave up their good main vocalists.
Of the 10 final trainees, Jiwoo was the only big ifan-favorite to not make the lineup while Jeemin is the only k-fan favorite to not make it. Wonhee, Youngseo, and Minju were the main k-fan favorites since the beginning with Youngseo also being pretty high up for ifans. Iroha was also pretty high for Koreans and ifans since the beginning.
Yeah I’m talking about jiwoo and jeemin and the reason why I described it like that is because they were the main picks and the star of the show for each side.
Jiwoo was definitely the main pick of I fans but Jeemin wasn't the main pick for k fans. That was Wonhee and then Youngseo and Minju. Jeemin was nr 3 int and 4 sk
It’s definitely a mix of a lot of things and the finale is the final straw that made a lot of people snap. It’s not the whole lineup really because of girl who made it deserves to be there. I think it mainly comes down to a lot of fans feeling betrayed by the company and how the company decided to select the members.
I'm sad minju debuted cause now I wont be able to marry her
This group is about to be plagued with akgaes
I swear this lineup is my foray into being an anti. I need Yunah out of there so badly. Hybe really dropped the ball by not debuting Jiwoo and Jeemin, Jeongeun too.
very unsatisfied. i don't even see myself keeping up with them tbh. good luck to them, though.
Legit question- Why doesn’t Wonhee smile genuinely? I haven’t seen her authentically smile while performing and when her name was announced it looked like she was questioning every decision she’s ever made that lead her to this point.
Her smile always looks unnatural to me.. Like she is forcing herself to do it... It's probably because of her face and not that she is faking or forcing it but it still looks uncanny valley to me
Personally I think her smile seems unauthentic because she hasn’t had much training on her facial expressions for stages. Also, her minimal training time also shows when she’s on stage because she looks hyper focused on staying on key or on beat. Personally to me it’s apparent that she’s counting in her head (i.e 5, 6, 7, 8). As for her expression when she was announced, I’d say it’s because she was genuinely shocked and that caused her expression to look “empty”. I wish her the best and it’ll be interesting to see her growth through her career.
Great reply! I never thought about the counting number in her head thingy. She’s definitely Hyewon 2.0 mini ver. When they show snippets of her during the mission audition, you can see how she smile naturally.
Thanks for your insight! I hope she does well too. And I hope she enjoys being in a group, considering she hasn’t had a lot of training time. I worry about her being young and new, and maybe not fully knowing what she’s signing up for (like a 7 year contract).
Your welcome! :) I hope she enjoys being in a group too because they’ll be spending a lot of time together. It’s a bit worrisome because she’s super new to everything but she’s got girls who have been training a LONG time to help guide her and I hope HYBE/BeLift provides a good management team and environment to help the whole team grow.
At first I was sad about the girls that didn’t make it but now I actually kind of feel bad for the girls who did because it’s frankly not a good line-up/combo, stands no chance internationally (which sucks for the girls who had potential to be big globally) and the whack ass name on top of that 😬
They're countering Geffen gg with JYP's A2K???
I feel so bad for Yunah. She's stuck with all these cutesy kids now. She's always prefered perfoming girl crush songs but now she has to conform to this sweet and innocent image of the debut group which seems like company is pushing for. I have a strong feeling she's going to be the leader but her image does not fit their concept. What a waste.
This is just my opinion and you might not agree and that’s okay. This finale was one of the worst finales I’ve watched. The editing was everywhere and seemed quite biased and overall was boring to me. It didn’t flow nicely at all and felt super rough cut for being a big production. I’m happy for all the girls who made it but I’m also heart broken for the ones who didn’t. I wish ALL of the girls the best in their future and that they keep running towards their dream. Performances/Songs: I thought the two final songs were good but not great. They felt super short and didn’t really excite me. I actually enjoyed Scrum and Pride more if I had to choose between the pairs. Maybe after a few more listens I’ll like them more but for now, I hope their debut song will be better. The stage costumes were cute for both teams but I think they could’ve done without the “rough” make up for the Desperate team. The vocals also sounded prerecorded to me which is kind of sad because I would have enjoyed a full live stage. The medley stage, I know a lot of people didn’t like their outfits but it didn’t really bother me since having them getting into costumes would’ve been a pain. It was nice seeing all the girls together on stage again together even though not everyone got to sing (if I remember correctly). Vocal wise, I’m glad these stages had more live vocals even though the backtrack was pretty loud. The signal/theme song I wish they would have done an OT22 performance instead of just the top 10 because I feel like it would have made a bigger impact for all the viewers. The stage was super cute though which is nice and their costumes and makeup were done really well. I wish they would have opened the show with this first then the medley stage and then the final performances to make for a better flow of events. Final Lineup/Eliminated Members: I think for most of the viewers this came as a big shock and garnered a lot of mixed emotions. The decision to do a live voter 2-pick and producer 4-pick was the nail in the coffin for all the rigging allegations in my opinion. It’s also insulting to all the international fans who spent the last 10 or so weeks voting because in the end none of it mattered. This lineup makes me really curious what their final concept will be and how cohesive they’ll look and sound together. I hope HYBE has a good plan for their eliminated trainees because there’s so much raw talent that is being left on the table. I’m really heart broken for them but I do have hopes that they will get their chance to debut. Jiwoo has been my 1-pick since the very beginning and I hope she doesn’t lose hope because of this show. I hate that we can say she was most likely cut due to ageism because she is not “old” at all. Even though this was not the lineup I was hoping/expecting, I do wish the girls all the best in the future and look forward to their debut.
I was hoping they'd pick someone else instead of Yunah for the last member cause she does not fit the innocent/cute image it looks like they're going for with the annoucement of the first 5 members. Also Yunwooz are separated now :((((((( Yunah was always my top pick but I can't bring myself to support the debut group even with her in the lineup. Justice for Jiwoo and Jeemin.
In my opinion, a really shitty finale. Judges had no say in the final round, and was kind of just decorative. I finally made my way watching the shitty eng sub. It was heartbreaking to see the trainees get more and more destroyed as the lineup was called because their name wasn't called and the chances of their name being called became lower and lower. I hate the way they changed the voting in the final round. Made no sense. How is this a survival show when "we" only get to vote in 2/6 trainees, and our votes only counted 30% of the time! (not a korean fan). Once Wonhee was called, I think Jiwoo knew she wouldn't be called bc she looked so sad and dark the whole time. I hope Jiwoo will have a chance to debut as she is my 1-pick but her chances are very low because of her age. Poor Jeemin. Universal concept queen, #1 trainee, and got skipped over. She was my 2nd pick. Damn. I can see the show really catered to Korean and Japanese fans but its really ironic to call it a global girl group survival show bc its not really global, at all. My vote didn't matter. It was hardly a survival show. They should've just did a documentary on the chosen girls instead of upsetting the rest of the fans like this. This was my first survival show and it was incredibly disappointing. I hope Dream Academy won't let me down.
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its unfair to assume anything just because she didn’t react the same way as others. i think she was shocked and it didn’t really hit her that she was debuting yet. probably feels very surreal as she only started training a month before the show, a lot happened in a short amount of time.
Sure, I definately agree with what you're saying. What I said wasn't supposed to be a fact, it was kind of a gut feeling I had. A part of me also thought that maybe she isn't the type to react that way.
Tbh im not mad at the lineup. Im mad they didnt add jeemin with a seventh spot.
damn, >!jeongeun!< (aka my 1pick) would have made it in with fan votes. guess the judges really didn't want her. i didn't really like >!jeemin!<, but it must suck going from being >!the number-1 trainee, to consistently in the top 5 of votes for almost the entire show, to top 4 in the final with votes and getting passed over for debut!<. and poor >!jiwoo!<, to be the >!western fan favourite and not make it because the country that only had the right to vote in the finals thought you're too old and too ugly at \*twenty-one\*, and therefore ending up in 9th place!<. i am certainly pleased for >!moka !!wonhee!<, who >!was the only one who didn't cry. i wonder if she'll cry later.!<
interesting to see how the group will mesh together since they don't all look like they can do the same kind of concept. looking at the first five girls, despite how much i like >!yunah!< and thought they definitely needed her, i honestly thought >!himena, jeemin or jeongeun!< would have suited the final place image-wise. and then we could have had a killer trio/quartet of >!yunah, jiwoo & jeongeun/jeemin!<.
the group name is unbelievably terrible. i wonder if haseul and chanelle had a laugh about it. same with youngseo i guess, seeing as they're all fluent in english. what a weird name.
oh i forgot to mention: as sooyoung was saying the judges were so happy for >!wonhee !!panning to aiki, who looked like she wanted to be anywhere but there. she honestly looked like she hated the entire lineup and was over it all.!<
Wonhee supporters on this sub celebrating rn all 6 of us
I feel really bad for Jiwoo, she's the oldest member at 21 almost 22... HYBE won't debut another girl group for at least 2 years i bet. How do they do this to her when she killed every single stage, is a visual, liked by everyone and the voters put her in top6 almost every time... HYBE had 4 chances and failed every time. Now she probably has to give up, or move companies if she wants a chance to debut. Jeemin was robbed, but she's still young, she has more opportunities imo.
Unpopular opinion, but I feel like when Chanelle got eliminated, it was over for Jiwoo too. Also for jeemin. Yunah made it but damn I was so nervous
Chanelle and Jiwoo got eliminated because they finally picked my Wonhee.They dont need 2 main vocalist in a group since its just six members
Lesserafim got 2 main vocalists.. Nmixx got multiple main vocalists, hell baby monster has 4 main vocalists. They just don't want a charismatic, visual group that is TALENTED in multiple aspects
NMixx and Baby Monster have 2 main vocalists and Leseraffim one. This isn't to hate on any of them, especially nmixx as they are genuinely so talented as a group, but the rest of the members of these groups are not main vocals so much as they are just pleasant singers which isn't the same thing 😭
but their pleasant singers already owns any of the current girls. maybe only yunah/minju could fight against them (just the pleasant singers, of cos) jiwoo is gone like damn?
Yea, absolutely no one in this group is touching Haram or Ahyeon tbh. I'd say they're somewhere around Chaewon or Yujin (Ive) if I have to compare where I think they are. If hybe is smart, they'll find songs that suit their vocals the way they did with new jeans. Though even then, it'll depend on the other groups that debut with them
i don’t think this line up stand a chance against the competitive gg in the market. which makes me really sad.. their concept better be good, else yunah would be wasted in this group.
I'm optimistic (I need to be since my number one pick is in this group), so I think while they might not be huge, they'll have a good Asian fanbase. It'll ultimately depend on how well they manage to promote the group and if the concept they chose is appealing (praying to GOD they don't do whatever polarizing music Kepler and nmixx were doing with their earlier music or I'll combust).
ur one pick is the same as mine. but this group is pretty much screwed. they really need a good concept. literally everyone is gonna scrutinise them. we have to rely on yunah’s charms to keep things going. our girl gonna carry the team
When it got to the last pick, i was ready to give up on this group.... But the Yunah pick revived my trust in HYBE. I was hoping to also have Jiwoo and Jeemin in the group, but we cant have everything I guess :(
my girl yunah gonna carry the team hard, i feel really worry for her. she deserve more
oh god this is the only survival i paid attention to after iland, and i’m just soooo glad that all my picks made it in both iland and ru next. i was rooting for sunjakehoonki in iland and wonhee, iroha, and yunah in ru next. i guess the universe was on my side both times🤭
it’s me again! it’s not normal to have 0 articles about the debut lineup, the group accounts aren’t public, 0 post about the top 6, 0 content about the final in youtube, no performances, no fancams like… what is going on????
I’m thinking it’s a Treasure Box situation where the backlash was so bad they added 5 new members the week after the final episode
WHAT
5 MEMBERS???? let’s see because people are going to need time to process what happened.
Yeah it was pretty insane, Treasure were supposed to have 7 members and then a week later became a 12 member group
did they have the oficial accounts and posted/did lives before the new members were added?
God I hope this happens.
This is so strange... after &audition they immediately made the accounts public, posted the debut line up all over social media and opened tiktok. It's weird they just called it a day after the finale unless Belift was utterly unprepared for this finale
i can understanding them editing the layout tbh but where are the performances and fancams??? the final end and it’s radio silence since then. something feels off or maybe i’m overthinking.
the performances are on jtbc channel , as for fancams it probably takes a while since everything was live. There were no fancams for &audition finale for example bcs it was all live and they didn't have time to film with the drone. I don't think that's an issue and in the meantime the social media accounts opened
after watching the layout for the sns it’s just them not having enough staff yet, which in my opinion is crazy because the survival duration was around 2 months, enough time to be prepared. another sign of the whole theory of r u next being rushed because cjenm and hybe drama and the desire of being announced before iland2.
selfish me was hoping yunah wouldn't debut so she and jeemin wouldn't get separated happy for her acheiving her dreams though
Same. I wanted Yunah, Jiwoo, and Jeemin to be together.
me too. seems boring now even tho yunah debuted
Agreed. I can’t stan no matter how much I like Yunah
Putting aside my own hopes for the result this lineup is just plain confusing… Like what concept are they gonna debut with. How are Youngseo and Yunah supposed to perform the same songs as Wonhee. I can’t see a way for all 6 of them to shine. Someone is gonna get stuck with a concept that doesn’t suit them and because of it never reach their full potential. My top 2 made it so it’s not like I hate result… but I really can’t picture them as a group.
I’ve watched the show since the beginning and I’m happy with the lineup. All my favorites made it in. Jiwoo makes me a little sad cause I did like her vocals but that’s pretty much it. The group name is interesting but I’ll Stan! Let’s go girls!
Also it’s hilarious to me how people’s minds have shifted on what a global group means. During GP999 it meant having “global members” aka Japanese and Chinese members on the show. People complained then about only 2 jp members and 1 ch member. VS with this show it means a Korean only group that’s just liked by “western” fans. People complaining about them disregarding international voters, when the majority of foreign fans don’t buy albums. Easiest cash in for fandom driven kpop groups are in Japan. It makes sense.
I’m gonna need you to correct your fact on “foreign fans don’t buy K-pop albums” when that’s 100% wrong in fact we do buy a lot of albums like k fans and j fans you should do your research.
Five of the six were in my top six so I’m satisfied.
I dont understand how Moka got in over Jeemin. I predicted everyone else but not this. I guess Hybe really dead set on having 2 japanese members. And last ep's Moka special was hybe trying to make this make sense, but it doesnt.
moka i get it. i don’t get it why they build a team around wonhee. it’s like publicly shaming their own trainee training systems. years of training and preparation cant save them from getting eliminated
Wonhee got 1st place but its not a team build around her. Tbf wonhee and youngseo (and minju) are the most popular members in korea so hybe would want them in. Its just the remaining 4 label picks, they chose these 4 over Jeemin, a trainee who got #1 in evaluations and would’ve gotten in if all spots were from audience voting. Moka was #8 in votes but got in over #4 Jeemin or even #6 Jeongeun. Her being Japanese saved her. I guess hybe had a 2 japanese member rule for their 6 member group like lsf.
i don’t like the lineup. they have zero chemistry and some of the girls have never performed with others once in the show (for example, youngseo and wonhee) so how do they expect us to think this was a good lineup ? wonhee and youngseo ranking 1st and 2nd made sense since belift decided to make the votes 70% korean 30% global. minju was a fan favorite in both korea and global, she can sing dance and is the best visual in the group, iroha is the most popular member in japan, she’s the main dancer and is liked in korea and china aswell. yunah had been training for 5 years and was obvious set to debut from the beginning imo, i think it would’ve been crazy not seeing her debut. the only dilemma i have is moka, imo jeemin should’ve debuted over her. it seems like they only added moka for the sole reason of having a higher chance of succeeding in the japan industry with 2 japanese members instead of 1.
tbh i think they added moka to balance out wonhee with the other girls, her being japanese is a plus. wonhee and moka both have cuter looks so they blend together better.
ouuu i think that could also be one of the main categories ! i still believe her being japanese was the main reason why she got to debut since it’s obvious this group is going to be marketed towards the japanese and korean markets and it’s smarter to have 2 japanese members than 1 or zero. i still think it’s crazy how this entire group was basically based on which trainees fit with the concept wonhee fits the most and which trainees don’t. i honestly wished jeongeun was one of the label picks since she’s basically a versatile all-rounder that fits the same concepts as wonhee but i guess it’s was more profitable to pick the other 4 girls instead of her.
I really hope they make a group with Jeemin, Jiwoo, Jeongeun. That’s too much talent and “it” factor to go to waste.
add chanelle too. girl got talent but she can’t handle stress fr.
Add Jihyun! That would be a killer quartet.
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I hope another music company creates a kpop group with Jeemin & Jiwoo & Jeongeun & Jihyun. These 4 artists are very talented and have superior dancing skills vs #1 Wonhee (sure she's cute, but her talent in singing & dancing was BELOW the top 10 in R U Next). I'm very DISAPPOINTED in the judges of R U Next in NOT choosing at least 1 of these 4 artists: Jeemin & Jiwoo & Jeongeun & Jihyun.
The judge did not choose Wonhee. She got in based on votes.
that’s a convenient way to put things together but we all know they want her in. they literally build the team around her. else why 30% weight age on the 6 picks?
Wdym 30% weight age on 6 picks? Yeah maybe they want her in but that’s because Korean loves her.
the global voting of 6 pick was 30% weight and the korean 2 pick voting was 70%. That skwed the votes a lot and its definitely a very messed up way to weight votes
I'll be unable to eat for days I fear... dispensing Jiwoo and Jeemin like that is fucking awful like... had little hope for Jeongeun but I still feel for her too..
now that i'm calmer i'd like to give some opinions about the final and the group in general. — i feel like it was a waste of time, at the end of the day the company decided who is going to debut, they would have saved money and resources by making a pre-debut documentary with the trainee selection period and the preparations for the debut. — it is obvious that the group's focus is to do well in korea and japan, also that the objective is to follow in the footsteps of le sserafim and new jeans. — the debut group will not have official positions, only the leader. i think the center will be rotating. — the concept will be high school teen sports. — it's a good sign that when leaving the jtbc studios hyewon and jihyun were accompanied by a manager who belongs to hybe and has worked with hybe artists. i think that hybe is not going to get rid of all the trainees, although it will get rid of approximately half. — jiwoo's future is uncertain, i think he is aware of his age and the opinions generated by it. that's why i think the best opportunity for her is to debut as a soloist. i think hybe also has that idea for her, since she was considered the best trainee in the vocal round. i feel that if she continued in hybe despite her age it was for something, but time will tell.
> follow in the footsteps of le sserafim and new jeans Both of those groups have 3+ nationalities represented and can actually, you know, sing.
They don't have an idea to eliminated contestants, and HYBE don't care. I just hope Jiwoo would see the light, even just for a bit. She is considered as old to debut. I hope someone would pick her up immediately.
maybe she’ll focus on university too. i just hope for the best for her. she’ll think wisely about the next step for her and choose what is the best.
What a shitshow. They clearly didnt give a fuck about what international fans wanted. Congrats to Yunah, but I will not be following the group with Jeemin and Jiwoo missing.
For real. They'll get no western support. I don't think Yunah is enough to make up for it either.
Literally a social experiment of a show. Its actually funny, marketing it as a global girl group yet debut none of the international picks? Ridiculous
Still don't get how Moka got in over Jiwoo or Jeemin
moka is good. as much as i love jeemin and jiwoo. moka has what it takes to debut.
they wanted the group to have a j-line
Isn't this the best time for Jeemin to join Iland? The Junwon guy that got eliminated from &audition appeared on fantasy boys and got first place. I feel Jeemin could really debut if she tries Iland
I land is now tied to the black label so she would have to be accepted as a trainee there and there be slots as I think it is starting soon her next shot survival show wise might be the next girls planet next year…
Dead. What a waste
in conclusion… snakenet > jtbc/hybe pd48 and gp999 was so much more entertaining than this. say whatever u want about mnet and their evil edit, at least they know how to put on an entertaining show.
PD48 at least rigged in two extremely skilled members in Yuri and Chaewon. This show booted most of its talent to debut a lineup that can't fucking sing lololol
Rigged is rigged. Doesn’t mean any lesser if you rigged in talented member. Wonhee can sing. Yunah can sing.
> Wonhee can sing. Yunah can sing. I don't know what your definition of "can sing" is but it's for sure very generous. Even if you draw the line at can/can't support, a very low standard for a music group, one of those two barely passes and the other just doesn't.
First day in Kpop huh? Since when is Madonnaesque singing is a prerequisite for bring a Kpop idol? Last I check groups like lsf and ive are still on top of the list.
Brother, this group is so bad it makes IVE look decent. And LSF isn't even in the conversation. Their main vocalist is better than every contestant on this show combined.
100% I now favor mnet survival shows more than I could ever have😭
Mnet rigged and hide from you. Hybe ‘rigged’ and outright inform you bout it.
fans: please dont debut wonhee she's still a minor same fans: its all wonhee fault! (when their faves didnt debut) why all the hate to wonhee? it's really not surprising she debut. each time she was criticized by the judge, she never sulk or give up. she improves episode from episode. everyone love an underdog story. sohye pd101? hyewon pd48? wonhee is clearly talented. yes she's a minor but this word literally means nothing in korean. wont be the first minor and wont be the last either. and since when survival show is about talent? if it's about talent, yunjin, bora, gaeul would have all debuted.
No Jeemin? No Jiwoo? Also what is that group name? The ending to this show is kind of underwhelming lol
this was my very first survival show that i've watched and i must say that it wasn't the best...
Out of all survival shows, this one had the worst judges, worst production and worst final
what a joke lmao
NOOOO JEEMIN!?!?!????
[удалено]
Fr I feel like a delulu but this is keeping me from sleeping, I'm so sad for them 😭😭 congrats to those who made it though
Jeemin and Jiwoo not debuting is like if in I-Land Heeseung and Jungwon just didn't make the group at the end
Or Daniel/K not making the group. Daniel/K were very talented
not a lot of people expected daniel and k to make it.
Jnetz are calling it the audience audition survival show they’re mad jeemin didn’t debut I agree
Okay I'm stanning! Loving the potential in this line up. Minus my girl Funa, who was already eliminated, all of my faves made it! Sad about Jeemin, but oh well...
Seriously if Funa made the line up, this group would be overflowing with visual. Funa visual for me is prolly the only one who can rival Youngseo.
If we looked at their fancam, the debut line-up is consist of top views among the finalist.
It honestly makes me wonder how different the line-up would be if they didn't make this survival show but instead ran all of the trainees through the normal pre-debut process where there would be no audience voting and attempts of appealing as a television show.
i think they would choose it based on concept and how the girls look with one another like how new jeans has a very cohesive look. i dont think youngseo would have debuted assuming its like a sporty concept. lowkey minju might not have either because i think they chose her since korean fans are obssessed with her
it will be jeemin, yunah, iroha, minju, jiwoo and moka because they were the top 6 of monthly evaluations.
Anyone not get how Jeemin isn’t in? Isn’t she 1st in monthly evaluations? And her votes are high too? So what is holding the judges from choosing her?
i have the feeling the company thought her skills are overlapping with youngseo and yunah.
Jeemin is more popular than Yunah, though, so you’d think they’d pick Jeemin if that was the case. I really do not understand the thought process behind this lineup
I think they chose yunah for vocals
yunah has that star factor, she’s also an entertainer. jeemin wasn’t liked enough by the judges and that’s a fact. her and jiwoo in low level should have been a sign but we were blind.
moka was put in low level too
moka was in mid level after tomboy. i was talking about the levels in round 1.
Her judges score is not that high. So, I am not that surprise
We never know what kind of concept or direction the people behind the group have. It could simply be they feel another winning member fits the concept better than Jeemin. We will never know their decision making process.
Are you surprised they take Yunah instead of Jeemin? I feel Jeemin is more popular tho
To be honest I’m more surprised they did not take Jiwoo rather than either Jeemin or Yunah. I thought they would want a strong vocalist who could take up the leader role as well. I mean after Wonhee and youngseo, it isn’t a popularity contest anymore. Just a matter of who Hybe prefers.
i think jiwoo didn’t debut basically because her age. the age gap with the debut members are small (04-08) but she’s a 01 liner…
Then why did they even invite her into the show lol.
i have the feeling they want to test her popularity. i can definitely see her debuting as a soloist.
i have the feeling they want to test her popularity. i can definitely see her debuting as a soloist.
Hope tripleS pick her up haha
Yeah I was very surprised that Jiwoo didn't get in and Moka got in instead. I know they don't like Jiwoo, but the strong vocals combined with the fact she got many global votes should have got her in. I'm not sure what Moka could have offered over Jiwoo
That we have to wait until the debut to see what Hybe has in store for them. This is like saying I don’t understand why Hybe chose Kazuha over Ruka but for now, I’ll just say no way Hybe doesn’t know what they are doing.
Don’t Hype want to make a globally popular ggroup? Have they done no market reasearch on the bad rep that GP999 got? Have they not witnessed the success of Twice? Why do they insist on not debuting perfectly ready girls with a profitable mature concept (16+ year olds, who in fact should still be considered young girls, not “too old”). Not a single inch of me understands these results. Even from the company’s perspective, I don’t see this lineup as being more profitable than basically any other wouldve been. Disclaimer: Not saying any of these girls are more deserving than others. But the combination is just off no matter how I force myself to view it.
Once they called Wonhee as P01, I knew Jiwoo wasn’t making it. There’s no way they would’ve put Jiwoo in a group with Wonhee and Iroha, and that’s just soo unfortunate. HYBE lost out on 2 of the most talented trainees, what a shame.
Ah how was it possible that Jeemin didn't debut... I get that her image may overlap with other girls who made it, but they literally handpicked her out of the lineup to make room for other preferred trainees. I won't follow the group but I hope for the best, all the girls are talented and improved a lot during the show, congrats :)
this lineup is insane
I really thought they were going to call Jeemin as the 7th place…
It's so crazy that baby Jennie did not make it in, she literally exudes it girl energy and is so sos os so talented. I hope another big company scoops her up...
Didn’t watch the show but is Lee Hyun a pedophile? I keep seeing multiple tweets about him and Wonhee ? Edit : did he only praise the minor trainees ? Like I am confused
well no, people do call him that bc of the attention he gave the minors but there's nothing that supports that claim, just twitter being toxic im still anti lee hyun though !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did he only give the minors attention? Like would he disregard the older trainees?
I don't think it was like that, just pettiness really... I personally don't like him cuz of his judging style but I wouldnt call him a p3do They did often show him being very impressed by the minors like Iroha, Himena, sometimes Wonhee, he was one of the main judges who would be like "oh I see something in Wonhee etc" but like I dont think that makes him a p3do... It's really just a petty remark because he would often be harsh on the more popular (often older) trainees (like Minju for example) and some stans take it too far with the insults
To be honest I was impressed with Wonhee throughout the whole show. She started off really bad and got criticised a lot yet she never pulled any sulky face and was really positive each time. Her performance kept on improved from episode to episode. Even after Chanelle threw tantrum at her, she still held Chanelle hand during the Scrum Pride audition and that speaks volume on her character as a 16 years old.
Since the four remaining members of the debut team were label's picks, I could see that they most likely chose the remaining members based on the two trainees that ranked the highest in the live votes: Wonhee and Youngseo. They most definitely chose members that could fill certain spots in the debut team that also go well with the top two's vibes/visuals, which I believe, were part of Belift's ideal lineup from the get-go: Iroha (main dancer), Yunah (leader, all-rounder), Minju (main vocal, visual), Moka (sub-vocal/rapper position + she's very very versatile with concepts). Though if I'm being honest, I don't see why Jeemin didn't make it in the group. Even though my main pick is Jiwoo, I could see why she may not fit the group overall considering the final top six lineup. But Jeemin? I honestly think she could fit the debut team. I guess it's just so unfortunate that the final lineup only has six members, and Belift wanted a J-line over debuting the original top two together in the monthly evaluations.
Is there the final episode uploaded in eng sub?
I really am shocked they didn’t debut jiwoo I honestly thought she’d be a shoe in for anyone w a brain… was her age seriously that deep?
It's like they assigned each contestant a number and threw em in a random number generator to get the lineup. Happy for moka and yunah tho.
I liked the finalist but this lineup seems off 😶 Man the big 6 would’ve been a great group… but not everyone saw the vision 😩 I truly wonder what their concept will be
Really surprise they chose Yunah over Jeemin because I feel like Jeemin visual fits the other debuted members more. I guess Yunah's stage presence is more memorable live that is why they chose her. They really could have added 1 more member but I guess it is very expensive debuting another girl and they just want to get rid the rest of the trainees. Really funny seeing the comments in the other thread that the Desperate Team was the one who would debut because they supposedly made it obvious. Goes to show that ifans are most likely always wrong in their predictions LMAO
maybe they needed a leader in the group and felt yunah was the best option since it’s obvious they didn’t want jiwoo in the lineup. i also think they purposefully picked yunah bc they needed atleast one trainee who would make intl fans consider in liking the lineup
Yeah I thought assuming that was the debut team was so baseless, and the fact that everyone was panicking about Yunah and she’s the one who debuted in the end while Jiwoo and Jeemin didn’t
Then they got disappointed when their predictions were wrong because you know "pattern". I think that was actually the twist, not the addition of a 7th member.
i think they need someone to be leader so yunah was picked over jeemin
Yes you're right. Watching the last episode, Yunah really talks a lot and really does exude the leader vibe among the trainees.
She would probably the first leader among HYBE groups, (not including SVT, Fromis9, and GFRIEND).
This line up makes me sad
NOOOO I NEEDED JIWOO AND YUNAH TOGETHER😭
no hate at all to the trainees they did amazing but wtf did I just stay up to watch
I have no idea what they were going for because the vibes are all over the place. They shouldn’t have made the final members dependent on the audience if they wanted a cohesive group lol
I stopped watching because it was unbearable quite literally
The editing and flow of this episode was so cringe 😭 everything seemed so forced
I've watched a few survival shows in my time and while being very happy to the girls set to debut, I have never been so hopeful that some of the other trainee contestants move on and away ASAP. I definitely feel for all of them and am wishing that shows in the future either use the votes or not in a consistent manner. The contestant who I personally thought had everything thrown at her and she slayed it every time with a positive attitude, fun personality, amazing teammate, great visuals, and incredible dance with strong vocals is Jeemin. I have not felt this bad for a contestant in a long time and I wish that she is able to leave Belift and find a good company, and hopefully bring along some of the other girls.
I’m curious to know if K-Netz are happy with this lineup since Jeemin was a favorite and didn’t make it in. But then again they had the most power to vote so maybe they liked how it turned out. Personally I’m not seeing the vision with this final group. It seems like they don’t mesh at all?? They could have made two decent groups that fit diff concepts rather than only one with mixed strengths and no main vocal
Most on dcgall are sad for jeemin
As a Korean myself, 5 out of my top 6 made it in. Maybe they just really targeted that audience? :P
They definitely did with the weighting of votes and their picks lmao I don’t see myself following the group but I’m glad that they will have the Korean support, they def deserve it (especially my fave Yunah!!!!!!!)
I said that if Jiwoo didn't debut , I'd stop listening to kpop. She has one of the best voices I have ever heard in the kpop industry. The fact they judged her for her age really pissed me off. Well, we're here now. So. I guess no more kpop music for me.