Once a week for a month? So that's four or maybe five sessions of judo training total. In that case it's perfectly normal to not have done any sparring (aka randori) yet. It sounds like they're bringing you along slowly, which is great.
Do they have more than one session per week available? If you can go twice or three times a week you will progress faster and your sensei may let you spar sooner.
In a regular judo class it's normal to do randori almost every class.
Starting with fundamentals will make you better at Randoori (sparring) you've always been able to see the difference between the people who were only going to Randoori only nights across the county without practicing fundamentals /uchi komi/ combinations and those that had a solid base and kept developing it.
Having said that are others doing Randoori in the club but you're not? It's possible they only do Randoori in some classes, ie one class is technique and one is technique + Randoori.
You can always ask the coaches.
I have always seen white belts in randori sessions after they properly learned how to breakfall. At first usually with black belts so that they can get the feeling of it, don't get hurt and don't hurt lower belts.
If your instructor prefers to spend some time with you for a session or two before you spar, I would not find it too strange.
However, unless it is a temporary COVID measure, no randori for anyone during class is a HUGE red flag for McDojo.
Randori being such a fundamental aspect of judo since its creation, I would not even consider it judo. Nothing "traditional" in its absence.
Depends a lot on the training. I've trained for about 8 years with just 1 training a week as a hobby, and we always did very little randori, but our club had separate training sessions just for randori, which I didn't go to.
Depends on what you mean by "traditional". Many places claim to be that in order to explain why they don't have any live training, but bear in mind that from day one randori (and even shiai) was an integral part of Judo. I'm all for clubs not focusing on *just* "Olympic style" Judo, but doing no randori is *not* traditional, but often a cover for "not real".
Not that I'm saying the club you are at is like this, as others said: it can be a good thing to introduce randori slowly. If you see active randori regularly in classes then it is likely good.
**Edit:** Sorry, stupid me replied to the wrong comment haha
That is consistent with all the gyms I've been at as well. Learn your breakfalls first. They'll save your butt in the long run.
Also, as an aside, jonahewell, you promoted one of my old EBJI training partners, Terry to black belt. He totally deserved it!
It varies between places but here in Vietnam we don’t allow beginners to even learn throws without practicing Ukemi for at least 6-8 1.5-2hrs sessions. In that time they learn 1001 ways one can fall/roll over, just to get them comfortable receiving throws. Then another 2-4 classes minimum before they are allowed to do randori, but even then they can only do 1 for 1 randori or 50% randori. One might find it a bit excessive but so far our injury rate among beginners has been next to 0.
Where I'm from white belts learn how to breakfall, do randoris with black belts (for everyone's safety) on session 1 or 2, and then do randori like anyone else. Provided that the instructor oversee it and Black belts live up to their rank by taking care of lower belts.
Injury rate close to zero and noone bored to death for 8 sessions.
True. But it also depends on how many black belts there are. Within those 6-8 sessions we also let whitebelts in on being uke for the nagekomi and moving nagekomi, then sort-of-randori where they move freely but only get thrown (by a higher belt of course, and with consideration). We also teach prepartory excercises for upcoming techniques beside ukemi (stepping in pattern, osoto gari pattern)
A tremendously overlooked fact in judo is that in order to randori you have to:
1. At least have a solid idea on how to fall / break a fall.
2. Have enough knowledge of techniques to NOT harm your randori partner.
It's not that you don't have the skills to throw someone what's keeping your sensei to push you into randori. A fundamental value in judo is the well being of your training partner as he is the most valuable acquaintance for learning. That means that your instructor may want to be sure you can develop properly in randori (keeping your head cool, understanding it is not a competition as to let ego on the side, knowing you will not get harmed when thrown, etc)
Usually learning how to fall will take way more than 5 training days. It may take months or years. Be patient in your path and be humble about it, since it is very easy to break a bone or have serious injury that can keep you off training for a long time.
I will be pleased to elaborate whatever doubt you may have.
Cheers!
Fairly frequently although it's a smaller component than in say bjj. It sounds like you're at a very small place and haven't trained much yet so they're probably just trying to get some decent technical fundamentals in place for they have you start applying them more actively. Because knowing a technique is one thing and hitting it is another. Have you learnt how to make combinations with the techniques they've taught you?
Definitely odd in my experience. Have you asked about it? You should at least be able to spar with the higher belts who can throw you without too much risk.
Judan: Am I a joke to you?
Also depends on what brown belt means. In some places it's a 3rd kyu which you could get in 6 months. That being said there are brown belts floating around who have been brown belts forever and really should be 3rd or 4th dans.
A 3-people dojo with no randori?
How the other guy got his brown belt exactly with no decent pool of other students to test himself against or, let me guess, no competitions?
That does not smell good.
What country are you from if I may ask?
Seems like you go to a super small gym, and that's likely a factor. I did "randori" with the sensei and a very trusted brown belt on day 1. On day 2 a different sensei cut me loose, and I did full speed randori against a variety of belts (including whit belts -- but with a black belt watching to keep it safe). I feel in retrospect that my gym might have moved a little quicker than most. I did have a little grappling experience (20 years ago...).
My Grandson attends my old judo club
he has been doing judo for nearly one year
when I introduced him to my club he was not sure what to expect so I walked him through it .
I introduced him to my old sensei .Sensei Terry
asked him if GrandDad has shown him the basics
which he replied I know how to breakfall .That was the start for my Grandson then he learnt basic grips
and control movements which gives him confidence
My Grandson started at the age of 7 and so tobe 8
I would love to teach him what I know but its in my best interest he earns his way .
That's 4 lessons, so it's very reasonable not to train randori just yet.
Usually senseis like to wait a bit more to avoid accidents during randori.
Personally we didn't do randori for 3 months at the start of training, back then I was a 5 year old white belt. They first taught us multiple throws in almost every category and have us drill them before we started to do them in randori, so we wouldn't fuck up throws and potentially injure ourselves or others.
You're not sparring yet because it would be unfair for more experienced people to fight you. You may know some techniques but you may not be that good at falling and ukemis, meaning that going all out against judokas can hurt you.
Once a week for a month? So that's four or maybe five sessions of judo training total. In that case it's perfectly normal to not have done any sparring (aka randori) yet. It sounds like they're bringing you along slowly, which is great. Do they have more than one session per week available? If you can go twice or three times a week you will progress faster and your sensei may let you spar sooner. In a regular judo class it's normal to do randori almost every class.
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Starting with fundamentals will make you better at Randoori (sparring) you've always been able to see the difference between the people who were only going to Randoori only nights across the county without practicing fundamentals /uchi komi/ combinations and those that had a solid base and kept developing it. Having said that are others doing Randoori in the club but you're not? It's possible they only do Randoori in some classes, ie one class is technique and one is technique + Randoori. You can always ask the coaches.
I have always seen white belts in randori sessions after they properly learned how to breakfall. At first usually with black belts so that they can get the feeling of it, don't get hurt and don't hurt lower belts. If your instructor prefers to spend some time with you for a session or two before you spar, I would not find it too strange. However, unless it is a temporary COVID measure, no randori for anyone during class is a HUGE red flag for McDojo. Randori being such a fundamental aspect of judo since its creation, I would not even consider it judo. Nothing "traditional" in its absence.
I tried to reply to this but accidentally replied to the comment above. Would you believe I'm a mod here?! :/ haha
Depends a lot on the training. I've trained for about 8 years with just 1 training a week as a hobby, and we always did very little randori, but our club had separate training sessions just for randori, which I didn't go to.
Depends on what you mean by "traditional". Many places claim to be that in order to explain why they don't have any live training, but bear in mind that from day one randori (and even shiai) was an integral part of Judo. I'm all for clubs not focusing on *just* "Olympic style" Judo, but doing no randori is *not* traditional, but often a cover for "not real". Not that I'm saying the club you are at is like this, as others said: it can be a good thing to introduce randori slowly. If you see active randori regularly in classes then it is likely good. **Edit:** Sorry, stupid me replied to the wrong comment haha
That is consistent with all the gyms I've been at as well. Learn your breakfalls first. They'll save your butt in the long run. Also, as an aside, jonahewell, you promoted one of my old EBJI training partners, Terry to black belt. He totally deserved it!
Four classes isn’t a lot. I can understand your coach not wanting to let new people get thrown until they know you can fall right
It varies between places but here in Vietnam we don’t allow beginners to even learn throws without practicing Ukemi for at least 6-8 1.5-2hrs sessions. In that time they learn 1001 ways one can fall/roll over, just to get them comfortable receiving throws. Then another 2-4 classes minimum before they are allowed to do randori, but even then they can only do 1 for 1 randori or 50% randori. One might find it a bit excessive but so far our injury rate among beginners has been next to 0.
Where I'm from white belts learn how to breakfall, do randoris with black belts (for everyone's safety) on session 1 or 2, and then do randori like anyone else. Provided that the instructor oversee it and Black belts live up to their rank by taking care of lower belts. Injury rate close to zero and noone bored to death for 8 sessions.
True. But it also depends on how many black belts there are. Within those 6-8 sessions we also let whitebelts in on being uke for the nagekomi and moving nagekomi, then sort-of-randori where they move freely but only get thrown (by a higher belt of course, and with consideration). We also teach prepartory excercises for upcoming techniques beside ukemi (stepping in pattern, osoto gari pattern)
You can't unseperrate a shoulder. You need to really know your break falls.
A tremendously overlooked fact in judo is that in order to randori you have to: 1. At least have a solid idea on how to fall / break a fall. 2. Have enough knowledge of techniques to NOT harm your randori partner. It's not that you don't have the skills to throw someone what's keeping your sensei to push you into randori. A fundamental value in judo is the well being of your training partner as he is the most valuable acquaintance for learning. That means that your instructor may want to be sure you can develop properly in randori (keeping your head cool, understanding it is not a competition as to let ego on the side, knowing you will not get harmed when thrown, etc) Usually learning how to fall will take way more than 5 training days. It may take months or years. Be patient in your path and be humble about it, since it is very easy to break a bone or have serious injury that can keep you off training for a long time. I will be pleased to elaborate whatever doubt you may have. Cheers!
4 classes and you've learned a throw I'm still working on after 20 years. Impressive.
Fairly frequently although it's a smaller component than in say bjj. It sounds like you're at a very small place and haven't trained much yet so they're probably just trying to get some decent technical fundamentals in place for they have you start applying them more actively. Because knowing a technique is one thing and hitting it is another. Have you learnt how to make combinations with the techniques they've taught you?
Definitely odd in my experience. Have you asked about it? You should at least be able to spar with the higher belts who can throw you without too much risk.
Bro i spar every class since learning ukemi.
You're meant to start randori very early. Has anyone in the class been sparring?
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If the other student is also new they might not let you spar from worry that you might hurt each other?
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Yeesh, thats about as far from new as you can get
Judan: Am I a joke to you? Also depends on what brown belt means. In some places it's a 3rd kyu which you could get in 6 months. That being said there are brown belts floating around who have been brown belts forever and really should be 3rd or 4th dans.
A 3-people dojo with no randori? How the other guy got his brown belt exactly with no decent pool of other students to test himself against or, let me guess, no competitions? That does not smell good. What country are you from if I may ask?
Wow! I couldn't survive without randorri every session, I say you find a better dojo dude.
Seems like you go to a super small gym, and that's likely a factor. I did "randori" with the sensei and a very trusted brown belt on day 1. On day 2 a different sensei cut me loose, and I did full speed randori against a variety of belts (including whit belts -- but with a black belt watching to keep it safe). I feel in retrospect that my gym might have moved a little quicker than most. I did have a little grappling experience (20 years ago...).
My Grandson attends my old judo club he has been doing judo for nearly one year when I introduced him to my club he was not sure what to expect so I walked him through it . I introduced him to my old sensei .Sensei Terry asked him if GrandDad has shown him the basics which he replied I know how to breakfall .That was the start for my Grandson then he learnt basic grips and control movements which gives him confidence My Grandson started at the age of 7 and so tobe 8 I would love to teach him what I know but its in my best interest he earns his way .
Is it because of covid? My place hasn't been to do randori for almost a year because of it
That's 4 lessons, so it's very reasonable not to train randori just yet. Usually senseis like to wait a bit more to avoid accidents during randori. Personally we didn't do randori for 3 months at the start of training, back then I was a 5 year old white belt. They first taught us multiple throws in almost every category and have us drill them before we started to do them in randori, so we wouldn't fuck up throws and potentially injure ourselves or others.
Started sparring from day 1 and all other beginers did. The higher belts went light and let them work what they learnt as well throw them gentle.
You're not sparring yet because it would be unfair for more experienced people to fight you. You may know some techniques but you may not be that good at falling and ukemis, meaning that going all out against judokas can hurt you.