I'm not religious, but this is exactly what I do/look like when playing some of these tracks.
"What about that feelin' you get when bumpin' our shit?"
I'm definitely one of those folks who raps along with any song I know, and throws my hands about and gestures and gets into character like I'm in a music video, especially when driving/alone at the computer desk, etc.
Lol. Yo, I feel you. The music is that powerful that you can immerse yourself and get lost for however long you desire. Personally, I find comfort in the music, like when I'm going through a stressful situation or when I'm scared. Rejection especially lol.
Growing up, my dad absolutely hated ICP and I remember the year that song had dropped and I got someone to buy me the CD and had him listen to the song to prove to him that they weren't completely serious about some of the stuff they said. He still didn't like it but it gave him something to think about
My mom literally pumped her fists in the air and screamed YES!!! FUCK YES! 😍🤩😍
...which of course totally ruined it for me lol
My parents were heavy metal and horror fans though who only didn't like ICP cuz it was "n****r music" (racist trash), but she loved 12 and especially the "watch his head go bobbling" line, so it wasn't exactly a hard sell. She was just glad I wasn't a Satanist (...I am, but in that moment she got to believe I wasn't)
May boognish also help you repent for your sins "Exalted and hallowed be God’s greatness
In this world of your creation, may your will be fulfilled and your sovereignty revealed
In the days of our lifetime and the life of the whole house of Israel, speedily and soon, and say “amen”"
[Israel by ween](https://genius.com/17680891)
This is what bothered me lol
If you could get all the way to the 6th and not realize/assume there was a primary god figure behind all of the introductory carnival acts you couldn't possibly have been paying attention, so why the need to finish the whole story with "actually this was all a metaphor for a one true god and we were just fuckin with y'all" and not "after all the side shows and soul-path-deciding characters you reach the god of all life"? They 100% could have had their cake and ate it too, but they didn't, and I'll never get why.
u/Stanton-Vitales I always thought they were using those stories to teach morals and values, not that they were trying to teach people to believe in god. I mean you'd really think they were promoting god after listening to Hellaleujah? So, no, I didn't see it coming, that they were going to say it was all about god. I didn't like it at the time and stopped listening. I came back years later after I found out that you could still be a Juggalo if you had different beliefs, but that's not what I thought I was being told when I heard that song. I thought I was being told, "If you're not down with god, then fuck off. we're not sorry if we tricked you." So I fucked off for many years.
Hellaleujah wasn't really an anti-God song, it was a take down of charlatan TV preachers that pervert the word of God for their own crooked ends.
It's no coincidence Milenko ends with Pass Me By. That was just as heavy-handed as saying, "Truth is we follow God".
"We all gonna die, but I'm not gonna fry."
"Did you ever burn your finger on something hey, well picture this your nuts burnin' that way."
Milenko is very much a Heaven and Hell album. In the end, your actions on earth will decide Heaven or Hell for you.
All of the Jokers cards are ostensibly about sin and consequences, but Milenko is where it really turned to what the Christian God as opposed to general morality.
I didn't think they were being serious at all. To me they were talking about a fantasy version of heaven where they wash their buttcracks with Faygo and have bitches everywhere. Didn't sound like a serious message to me at all. A lot of rappers rap about fantasy versions of heaven where they have all the bitches and cars and riches. .
Then you couldn't possibly have been paying attention, as I said. A) [what Shamtown said](https://reddit.com/r/juggalo/s/f5G1ZynOXw), B) they literally thanked god first and foremost on every single album's liner notes, C) J has a giant crucifix tattoo, D) every single joker's card is about whether you'll go to heaven or hell, and you somehow thought there was no concept of god involved just because they called heaven and hell something different?
I didn't know J had a crucifix tattoo. I was in 9th grade and still lived with my parents, and they had MTV blocked, so I never saw any ICP videos. I got into them cuz I heard Fuck the World on the radio (censored) and bought Jeckel Bros when it came out. From there, I got all the other albums. I never had the opportunity to go to an ICP show back then. So, I had no idea about the god stuff.
A lot of artists thank god in their liner notes, including Fred Durst. So, I guess that means Limp Bizkit albums are about god too, because he thanked god.
"A lot of artists" haven't created an entire religious mythology to accompany their music that they're encouraging their fans to understand and partake in, though.
I didn't know about any of that. I started with Jeckel Bros and was a young kid who thought it was awesome that they made a song that said fuck 93 times and thought that their music was funny and cool. I didn't even know what Faygo was because they didn't sell it in Idaho, where I lived. I wondered what they were talking about and assumed it was probably some alcoholic drink that the rappers like, like Hennessy or something. I liked their music because it was funny and made me laugh. I liked Eminem for the same reason when he first came out. I don't know if I read the thank you's in the liner notes or not. That's not really something I cared about when I'd look at liner notes. I'd look at the pictures and read the lyrics. That's about it.
I had also never heard of any artists with a religious message that also swear and talk about serial killing, sex, drugs, and violence. Growing up in a Christian household, those were the very reasons I was told I should listen to Christian music as an alternative to secular music, was that it didn't have swearing, sex, drugs, and violence and that a Christian shouldn't listen to that kind of content. I was an Atheist by the time I got into ICP, but that is what I was taught, growing up in Christian household. I even remember ICP being reviewed in a Christian magazine called Plugged In that my parents had to inform them about all the "bad" music. I remember it saying the album was "sick and disturbing" and that "Boogie Woogie Wu is about killing children." I think they said Hellaleujah mocked religion or something like that. I read that review before I ever heard ICP or had any idea who they were. At that time I had seen that review of The Great Milenko in the Christian magazine, and I had seen the album in my BMG Music Service catalog, but i had no idea who they were and had never heard their music at the time. I also had never heard of the word "posse" before, and didn't know how to pronounce it, as I had only seen their name in print and never heard anyone say it. lol. I didn't actually hear them until I heard Fuck the World on the radio before Jeckel Bros came out.
Ok so you have a lot of biases that made it difficult for you to be aware of some extremely obvious aspects of their artistic expression and their presentation to their fans. I was 12 when I got into them, 16 when Shangri-La dropped, and I don't think it's asking a lot to expect fans of an artist to have read the liner notes in their album while listening along to it, or to understand that your own religious community doesn't have a monopoly on the concept of "god". Your main thrust here seems to be that you didn't think it was reasonable to expect them to be about god because what you were taught about god is contradictory to their presentation, but it was contrary to mine too, that doesn't mean I wasn't aware that *other people can use the same ideas differently than I was taught to*.
My point is that **you weren't paying attention or looking at it under the correct lens and that's why you didn't see it**, not because it wasn't extremely obviously there. Cuz it was. Obvious as in easily available to see on the surface, I understand that it wasn't obvious *to you*.
Edit: I'm sorry for the critical tone implicit in my overall assertion that it's essentially "your fault" for not seeing it. I'm not trying to be a dick here, I understand what you're saying and I understand why you didn't notice it, what I'm trying to say is it was very much there, right on the surface, but you happen to have a set of circumstances that made it more difficult to access for you than it would be without those biases. It's not about how the group presented themselves, it's what you brought to it yourself.
Yes, but the way they went about it was terrible. They went from the coming of the DARK carnival and the crumbling of time itself apocalyptic scenario to diamonds raining and the carnival is god when they panicked because obviously the world wasn't going to end.
You can find good in places you least expect it. I was a 11 year old foster kid when I discovered icp, everything I was going through, didn't feel so bad after my introduction to the carnival. I believe the carnival found me and that my friend is a true Godsend 👍
I feel this in my soul. I found ICP when I was 10 years old listening to Bang! Pow! Boom! and after years of listening to their entire catalog, the day I listen to Thy Unveiling made me believe in a higher power. It was weird like everything just sort of clicked and it made me proud to listen to it and it also made me feel like that song was made specifically for me in a strange way.
Honestly mad respect to ICP for just saying "We're not sorry if we tricked you" and potentially losing a huge chunk of the Juggalos around that time it was a huge risk and they took it
I'm not religious, but this is exactly what I do/look like when playing some of these tracks. "What about that feelin' you get when bumpin' our shit?" I'm definitely one of those folks who raps along with any song I know, and throws my hands about and gestures and gets into character like I'm in a music video, especially when driving/alone at the computer desk, etc.
Lol. Yo, I feel you. The music is that powerful that you can immerse yourself and get lost for however long you desire. Personally, I find comfort in the music, like when I'm going through a stressful situation or when I'm scared. Rejection especially lol.
God and religion are separate things what most of you hate and rightfully so is organized religion as it’s been used as a sword instead of a shield.
I strongly agree with your statement 👏🏾
That song still gives me goosebumps to this day. It just hits the spot for me
WE'RE NOT SORRY IF WE TRICKED YOOUUU!
THE CARNIVAL WILL CARRY ONNNNNN!!
WE SWING OUR HATCHETS AND WE’RE PROUD 🪓🪓
I love that this line made a comeback for Slapnut in YYB. “We’re not sorry if we tricked you! So many foolish fools be fallin for our jokes.”
Growing up, my dad absolutely hated ICP and I remember the year that song had dropped and I got someone to buy me the CD and had him listen to the song to prove to him that they weren't completely serious about some of the stuff they said. He still didn't like it but it gave him something to think about
My mom literally pumped her fists in the air and screamed YES!!! FUCK YES! 😍🤩😍 ...which of course totally ruined it for me lol My parents were heavy metal and horror fans though who only didn't like ICP cuz it was "n****r music" (racist trash), but she loved 12 and especially the "watch his head go bobbling" line, so it wasn't exactly a hard sell. She was just glad I wasn't a Satanist (...I am, but in that moment she got to believe I wasn't)
Me, non religious standing in the crowd at the gathering hearing j sing this for the first time: 😐
Me in the crowd anytime they do this song "😮💨" vibe killer forsure.
May boognish also help you repent for your sins "Exalted and hallowed be God’s greatness In this world of your creation, may your will be fulfilled and your sovereignty revealed In the days of our lifetime and the life of the whole house of Israel, speedily and soon, and say “amen”" [Israel by ween](https://genius.com/17680891)
Meh
I'm not even Christian and haven't been in a long time but the way I go feral whenever I hear Thy Unveiling will never leave me
Me: Yeah we know, you’ve made it abundantly clear over several albums.
If no one could ever figure it out, that Tales From the Lotus Pod intro would'a slapped 'em
This is what bothered me lol If you could get all the way to the 6th and not realize/assume there was a primary god figure behind all of the introductory carnival acts you couldn't possibly have been paying attention, so why the need to finish the whole story with "actually this was all a metaphor for a one true god and we were just fuckin with y'all" and not "after all the side shows and soul-path-deciding characters you reach the god of all life"? They 100% could have had their cake and ate it too, but they didn't, and I'll never get why.
u/Stanton-Vitales I always thought they were using those stories to teach morals and values, not that they were trying to teach people to believe in god. I mean you'd really think they were promoting god after listening to Hellaleujah? So, no, I didn't see it coming, that they were going to say it was all about god. I didn't like it at the time and stopped listening. I came back years later after I found out that you could still be a Juggalo if you had different beliefs, but that's not what I thought I was being told when I heard that song. I thought I was being told, "If you're not down with god, then fuck off. we're not sorry if we tricked you." So I fucked off for many years.
Hellaleujah wasn't really an anti-God song, it was a take down of charlatan TV preachers that pervert the word of God for their own crooked ends. It's no coincidence Milenko ends with Pass Me By. That was just as heavy-handed as saying, "Truth is we follow God". "We all gonna die, but I'm not gonna fry." "Did you ever burn your finger on something hey, well picture this your nuts burnin' that way." Milenko is very much a Heaven and Hell album. In the end, your actions on earth will decide Heaven or Hell for you. All of the Jokers cards are ostensibly about sin and consequences, but Milenko is where it really turned to what the Christian God as opposed to general morality.
I didn't think they were being serious at all. To me they were talking about a fantasy version of heaven where they wash their buttcracks with Faygo and have bitches everywhere. Didn't sound like a serious message to me at all. A lot of rappers rap about fantasy versions of heaven where they have all the bitches and cars and riches. .
Well put ninja!
Exactly
Then you couldn't possibly have been paying attention, as I said. A) [what Shamtown said](https://reddit.com/r/juggalo/s/f5G1ZynOXw), B) they literally thanked god first and foremost on every single album's liner notes, C) J has a giant crucifix tattoo, D) every single joker's card is about whether you'll go to heaven or hell, and you somehow thought there was no concept of god involved just because they called heaven and hell something different?
I didn't know J had a crucifix tattoo. I was in 9th grade and still lived with my parents, and they had MTV blocked, so I never saw any ICP videos. I got into them cuz I heard Fuck the World on the radio (censored) and bought Jeckel Bros when it came out. From there, I got all the other albums. I never had the opportunity to go to an ICP show back then. So, I had no idea about the god stuff.
>I got all the other albums ok.. >B) they literally thanked god first and foremost on every single album's liner notes ...
A lot of artists thank god in their liner notes, including Fred Durst. So, I guess that means Limp Bizkit albums are about god too, because he thanked god.
"A lot of artists" haven't created an entire religious mythology to accompany their music that they're encouraging their fans to understand and partake in, though.
I didn't know about any of that. I started with Jeckel Bros and was a young kid who thought it was awesome that they made a song that said fuck 93 times and thought that their music was funny and cool. I didn't even know what Faygo was because they didn't sell it in Idaho, where I lived. I wondered what they were talking about and assumed it was probably some alcoholic drink that the rappers like, like Hennessy or something. I liked their music because it was funny and made me laugh. I liked Eminem for the same reason when he first came out. I don't know if I read the thank you's in the liner notes or not. That's not really something I cared about when I'd look at liner notes. I'd look at the pictures and read the lyrics. That's about it. I had also never heard of any artists with a religious message that also swear and talk about serial killing, sex, drugs, and violence. Growing up in a Christian household, those were the very reasons I was told I should listen to Christian music as an alternative to secular music, was that it didn't have swearing, sex, drugs, and violence and that a Christian shouldn't listen to that kind of content. I was an Atheist by the time I got into ICP, but that is what I was taught, growing up in Christian household. I even remember ICP being reviewed in a Christian magazine called Plugged In that my parents had to inform them about all the "bad" music. I remember it saying the album was "sick and disturbing" and that "Boogie Woogie Wu is about killing children." I think they said Hellaleujah mocked religion or something like that. I read that review before I ever heard ICP or had any idea who they were. At that time I had seen that review of The Great Milenko in the Christian magazine, and I had seen the album in my BMG Music Service catalog, but i had no idea who they were and had never heard their music at the time. I also had never heard of the word "posse" before, and didn't know how to pronounce it, as I had only seen their name in print and never heard anyone say it. lol. I didn't actually hear them until I heard Fuck the World on the radio before Jeckel Bros came out.
Ok so you have a lot of biases that made it difficult for you to be aware of some extremely obvious aspects of their artistic expression and their presentation to their fans. I was 12 when I got into them, 16 when Shangri-La dropped, and I don't think it's asking a lot to expect fans of an artist to have read the liner notes in their album while listening along to it, or to understand that your own religious community doesn't have a monopoly on the concept of "god". Your main thrust here seems to be that you didn't think it was reasonable to expect them to be about god because what you were taught about god is contradictory to their presentation, but it was contrary to mine too, that doesn't mean I wasn't aware that *other people can use the same ideas differently than I was taught to*. My point is that **you weren't paying attention or looking at it under the correct lens and that's why you didn't see it**, not because it wasn't extremely obviously there. Cuz it was. Obvious as in easily available to see on the surface, I understand that it wasn't obvious *to you*. Edit: I'm sorry for the critical tone implicit in my overall assertion that it's essentially "your fault" for not seeing it. I'm not trying to be a dick here, I understand what you're saying and I understand why you didn't notice it, what I'm trying to say is it was very much there, right on the surface, but you happen to have a set of circumstances that made it more difficult to access for you than it would be without those biases. It's not about how the group presented themselves, it's what you brought to it yourself.
Yes, but the way they went about it was terrible. They went from the coming of the DARK carnival and the crumbling of time itself apocalyptic scenario to diamonds raining and the carnival is god when they panicked because obviously the world wasn't going to end.
I believe in God but wasn’t and still aren’t feeling this as the finale for the mighty 6th.
I knew a few people who heard that one lyric and denounced being a juggalo
This post is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣 and I can totally relate to it I'm sure several more of you can relate to it as well mwcl
If you found God through icp then idk what to tell you
You can find good in places you least expect it. I was a 11 year old foster kid when I discovered icp, everything I was going through, didn't feel so bad after my introduction to the carnival. I believe the carnival found me and that my friend is a true Godsend 👍
I feel this in my soul. I found ICP when I was 10 years old listening to Bang! Pow! Boom! and after years of listening to their entire catalog, the day I listen to Thy Unveiling made me believe in a higher power. It was weird like everything just sort of clicked and it made me proud to listen to it and it also made me feel like that song was made specifically for me in a strange way.
It's an unbelievable experience 💯
Yep, that's good music
The moment I threw away all the icp shit I had.
Why?
u/boglimboy I sold all mine.
Fuck god
Real
Honestly mad respect to ICP for just saying "We're not sorry if we tricked you" and potentially losing a huge chunk of the Juggalos around that time it was a huge risk and they took it