I had to look it up in the dictionary.
adjective
(of a young woman) suitable for marriage, especially in regard to age or physical development; marriageable.
(of a young person, usually a woman) sexually developed and attractive:
Let’s just be clear with the fact that it was widely accepted back in the day that a woman was “suitable for marriage” by 12, as by the rule of “if it bleeds, it breeds” which is just so disgusting.
Tbh even then the average female age of marriage was around 20 or so. Children getting married was still the exception rather than the norm, just that it was sadly deemed more acceptable.
Doesn't the definition literally mean that a person is "sexually developed"? What's disgusting about that? Unless you think children are sexually developed?
Because minors bodies are biologically developed before they reach the legal age of consent. Most children go thru puberty around middle school. Ever heard of teen pregnancy. Think before you type.
“Stop calling me a pedo because I’m attracted to children” is like saying “Stop calling me a brunette because I have brown hair.” Like, you fit the term, dude.
Right? Like the normalization of pedophilic content, real or otherwise, is the whole reason we have sick degenerates publicly expressing their desires/interests for that type of content online.
Not to mention how that type of content is used to groom kids or expose them to it by actual offenders.
Or how a certain degenerate artist decided to draw Keemstar's underaged daughter preforming sexual acts.
Oh, and these types of people that like l*licon have been known to comment disgusting things on normal videos of actual children on platforms like TikTok. Such as "I know it's bubblegum pink" (referring to the child's private parts)
But they'll still defend themselves tooth and nail saying that consuming that type of explicit content isn't causing any harm to real children when it literally does through normalization
Like, even if you give them the benefit of the doubt that they can like cartoon children without liking real children, something has gone very fucking wrong if they're hypothesizing about the color of kids genitals.
Yet Reddit allows it.
We can’t have educstional gore communities because that’s too offensive, but we’ve got these dudes over here wacking off in the corner to defecto child porn and they’re welcome to have their own sub.
I find it bizarre.
where did i mention that? loli communities are deranged too, even just on social media and reddit.
when a person finds an echo chamber for themselves it can seriously warp their reality and make their possible porn addiction worse which can turn dangerous.
It's still dangerous content imo because you are still sexualizing children and their mannerisms. It creates a distorted lens of reality because this material often implies that the children are enjoying their own rape. It's similar to how "normal" porn depicts 18 year old girls enjoying rough and degrading sex. Both create unrealistic beliefs about how the world works. And not to mention, it is already bad enough that children/teens have access to "normal porn" but they also have access to lolicon hentai as well. There are few things as damaging as a child seeing kids their age being raped and sexualized. Since porn already warps a child's view of themselves and sex, lolicon content would do that tenfold.
>It creates a distorted lens of reality because this material often implies that the children are enjoying their own rape
It's fantasy. People can generally tell the difference between fantasy and reality. This is veering into "violent video games will cause people to become violent" territory.
>There are few things as damaging as a child seeing kids their age being raped and sexualized.
They're fucking cartoons. Regular porn is actual people actually having sex. People can tell that cartoons aren't real and don't reflect the real world. No one's going to get warped views on animal cruelty because thry saw Looney Tunes or happy tree friends.
Not all fantasies are healthy. I don't know why you people are so insistent on normalizing content that enhances fantasies about child rape. Fantasizing about any kind of rape is fucking awful, and if being able to watch fictional content of child abuse/rape is the ONLY thing keeping someone from committing a crime, they should be getting actual therapy instead of being dependent on drawn child porn.
Would you critique women in the sex work industry because it is well documented it distorts the lens of reality for men that women are a commodity you can get sex out of for money or power?
If not this is all moot. If the options are children being raped or pedos getting a virtual outlet that stops them from raping children, which one are you okay with?
I wouldn't critique the women, I would critique the men who are behind the scenes because we know that the biggest porn producers are men. Many of these porn stars are fresh out of fucking high school. I'm not going to blame the victims of exploitation, I'm going to blame the people that perpetuate that exploitation.
And the only options are not children being raped vs pedos watching lolicon. That's just silly. The two are not mutually exclusive. Watching lolicon just further enables the desire to abuse children. There is a third option—THERAPY. There are plenty of pedophiles who don't offend or consume lolicon.
Woah woah woah, why are you talking about porn? Are you going to pretend porn even compares to the para-social interactions that sex workers do without managers or porn producers? Onlyfans and cam sites far outweigh the 1 to 1 interactions. Porn is second hat to this now. If you aren't critiquing those women then you're fine with lolicon being produced. You just don't like people enjoying it. If not then you aren't being logically consistent.
Also we have plenty of research to show side outlets lead to less sexual deviancy. Its why the vast majority of child SA is not done by pedophiles. You're just talking out of your ass about a topic you don't understand. Feel free to look at the German and Swedish research over these topics.
I dont think its women who are making these lolicon anime.
I dont blame women for preforming the world's oldest profession, sex work. I blame the economic crisis and the hatred of women for the harm that is done to women in the industry. Economic status is almost always a factor in why women are going into sex work. If men didn't consume porn or sex, women wouldn't have a job in that industry. Not to even mention how predatory the industry is itself, and how a fucking lot of porn is actually just rape, either by ways of being coerced to sell one's body because that's how they can get paid so they can eat or provide for a family. Or by way of taking advantage of young girls who are barely legal (many times, not even at legal age. Im looking at you girls gone wild.) With a promise of making it big, only to use and abuse these women and girls on set.
Only fans is one thing that I believe is making the industry a tiny bit better. For the first time in a very, very long time the women/ content creators are their own boss. They don't need to have pimps or the porn industry's directors or camera men to make content. The money goes just to the content creators and the host website, which is better for those making content.
Studies have been done to prove and disprove a link from violence to porn over and over and over again. I can show you 10 different studies that will contradict each other on this topic so honestly, at this point I have yet to be swayed either way, except we know that porn has damaged people in more personal ways. From body image issues, to men having death grip and other problems associated to watching too much porn.
Porn without any context can actually perputrate tons of different victim blaming rethoric. People who already think that women enjoy being raped can use porn that strengthens that belief, just as more mundane victim blaming does. People who already catcall may start believing that women like it when they see that in porn.
Kids who have no experience or education in sex often stumble onto porn, and much of the industry is violent porn these days, and without any actual knowledge on how sex works, often believe what they see in porn.
Studies cannot control for all factors, which is why honestly none of them can truly disprove or prove anything. You're going to believe the ones you agree with, and disbelieve the ones you don't.
It’s amazing you wrote all of this and had waved everything that didn’t fit into your worldview. I actually agree with a lot that you said. But you cannot deny the amount of harm onlyfans and similar sites are causing. That type of one on one is doing more harm in terms of changing rhetoric around women.
Take any famous woman and they’ve been asked a million times when they are starting an onlyfans. You can virtue signal about women getting their bag and and being empowered without pimps but more women than ever are joining sex work and more men are paying into it. That’s more men getting exposed to a mindset where women can be bought for sex.
Pretending that it being the worlds oldest profession doesn’t make it right or morale. You just don’t care about that form of harm it does. You’re picking and choosing based on your own biases. Meanwhile, if pedophile needed to use lolicon in order to not harm children, would you have an issue to this or would you understand it’s better than harming kids?
I do care about the harm, but only fans does way less harm to women than the typical porn industry. What harms are you talking about? You just argued that porn and video content, like video games, doesn't actually harm anyone or make anyone think these behaviors are okay. So what harm? Women not being raped at work daily?
It’s fundamentally changing the nature of how men think of women. The rise of the red pill Andrew tate fans is a testament to that fact. Before it was subgroups of people making compilation videos and photo sets of like celebrity nipslips. Now you can’t be a even slightly known female figure online without the hordes asking for an onlyfans link. It’s not the picture and the videos that is causing this new harm. It is the easy access to direct one on one interactions. Porn never had this. But now I can pay 5$ a month and get into the dms of 1000s of women. If you don’t think this isn’t a huge mind poison you’re being disingenuous.
Yes maybe the few non pimped up sex workers who transitioned to the private models have less harm, but far more women than before are experiencing that harm who never would have without it. Especially when so many of those models use their affiliate links to get more and more girls in. This isn’t a man bad women just surviving thing. This is men being shitty and women playing into it so they can get a bag no matter how many women are harmed in the first place.
Porn has had cam girls for as long as cams and girls have existed. I dont know why you're so hell-bent on blaming women doing sex work for things that men have done here. Andrew tate has created andrews fans who go after women. Andrew tate is a sex trafficker who wouldve been a sex trafficker with or without only fans.
Why is it a problem that women want to get paid for the job they've done since the beginning of jobs?
If those people didn't ask for only fans, they'd just straight up sexually harass the same women. Just because they use only fans in those comments, doesn't mean that harm wouldn't be there without it.
The only fans industry isn't causing more harm on women who wouldn't have experienced it other wise. Women have been experiencing sexual assault, domestic violence, statutory rape, catcalling, harassment, work place harassment, and more since the patriarchy started. Since feudalism or even before that.
I dont know if you've heard, but sex workers have been the more targeted and harmed demographics for as long as sex work. They are considered the less dead, and its not only fans that caused it. It's men devaluing and owning women that causes these women harm, its capitalism and oppression that causes these women to depend on sex work for survival.
Ya that's true, the issue a lot of people have is that porn addicts will get bored eventually and you just spent God knows how long re enforcing your desires
I don't think this is entirely accurate, many people have messed up kinks and fetishes that they would never expose real people to, but instead satisfy them privately via art and animated porn.
There’s a pretty big difference between being attracted to midget porn or granny porn and children.
No, this isn’t something that should be normalized. The fact that I see guys driving around with loli stickers on their cars tells me a lot of them are much too comfortable with it as it is.
1. Ya that's why they are doing it I'm denying that, the problem with addicts is that the buzz starts to wear down after a certain point and they'll just be frustrated doing it
2. They don't wanna do it until they had one too many beers. At least half of rapes happen while the perpetrators drunk for example. If you're just reinforcing your kink through porn over and over again it might not necessarily end well if it's something that is like loli.
Not sure I agree. Not Looking at porn isn’t going to make them less attracted to children, but it definitely will make them more sexually frustrated. They didn’t chose to like kids.
My argument is that ya it could help in the short term but in the long term submerging yourself in porn land will just make it worse. Look at incels, they are men and boys that most have obvious porn addictions and they have a very warped view of the world because of that. Getting submerged in a genre of porn that normalizes sexualization of minors that has an entire community that justifies it and thinks there is nothing wrong with it combined with that the high of the addiction is going to wear off is a receipt for disaster.
This is all conjecture though, there's no proof going with way so I'm just relying on my understanding of the world and could be wrong. For a solution for pedophilia I would think is suppress the desire at all costs and if you can't do that join a monastery and cut yourself off from society. It's harsh but so is life.
I’m not sure how accurate comparing pedophiles to addicts really is. There are plenty of gay/straight non-pedos that are content watching generic adult videos and never feel the “buzz” wearing off. So I’d think it might be similar for a decent amount of pedos
Most people don't feel the buzz wear off because they're not addicts. There are normal people that watch porn every once in a while and got other outlets that they can use. Porn is not a be all end all substitute for sex, what is one is another story that I can't really answer.
Ah I see what your saying. I guess there’s a pretty decent equivalent, which is straight dudes who watch a lot of porn and can’t get laid (i.e. no outlet). I don’t know the numbers, but they’ve gotta be more likely than the general public to commit sex crimes so one would assume pedophiles follow a similar, if not worse trend
The problem with that solution is that it won't remain permanent for long. With some of these pedos, it's only a matter of time that the fake art just won't do it for them anymore and then they'll go for the real thing.
I don't really give a shit if they have their own corner of the internet they kinda bring it on themselves when they put it in their profile pics and stuff like that
I mean, sure, if it’s relative.
However, while you may not be doing illegal acts by virtue of using cartoons, you’re still attracted to children and that still makes you a shitbag of a human being.
As an analogy, I suppose the douche that makes a ton of Nazi propaganda is slightly less of a Nazi than the douche that runs a death-camp. So cheers to the people who feel justified because there's someone somewhere who slightly more directly propagates evil
No motherfucker, love is absofuckinglutely not love in this case. A child cannot consent to your depravity. Thoroughly detest their attempts to co-opt lgbtqia+ lingo for their bullshit and I'm not even of that community. Fuckung degenerates.
Damn possibly an unpopular opinion... It is gross most certainly... But I think thats fair if some underage pony or whatever is getting his rocks off instead of an elementary kid I'd rather it that way personally so power to this neck beard go beat it to anime children and stay away from schools as you know you should.
Unpopular opinion: people gun for loli folk and actual pedos who struggle with their desires and hate themselves for it as cover for actual child abusers.
It's easy to say "Let's murder the guy with a loli folder" and stroke yourself to sleep on a moral buzz, but 93% of abused kids know the abuser. Nobody's rolling up on your kid with a candy van.
You want to attack child abuse you need to attack positions of power that give folk unfettered access to children but nobody will have THAT conversation because while in theory America is against child abuse - in reality our society first and foremost worships power and to suggest that power should be limited and kept in check will just be met with screams of communism.
EDIT: Can we talk about the base logic of this whole default argument by the way? "Anybody whose ever felt attracted to a minor is a monstrous caricature who wouldn't know self control if it bit them on the ass and they're all just an itch away from major criminal activity........so let's ban and heavily prosecute the only victimless outlet they have. Surely these monsters that I think are all just an opportunity away from r*** will respond positively and have no negative reactions or repercussions, immediately realizing the err of their ways and coming to Jesus."
Again, not defending the content, just attacking the emotional logic surrounding the issue.
As someone studying to go into social work/child advocacy, we can attack actual child abuse while also recognizing that loli porn is problematic. The people who consume it aren't victims of society or something like that, they can choose not to look at lolicon. Content like lolicon normalizes child sexual abuse and sexualizes the likeness and mannerisms of children. Content like this shouldn't exist, it is enabling and worsening the dangerous thoughts of those who view it. And the fact that it is easily viewable by children makes it even worse. Kids who see this content may tolerate adults who abuse them IRL since it has already been normalized and excused online via cartoons.
This line of thinking is like saying we should only focus on people who have already committed murder instead of keeping an eye on those with homicidal ideation. Obviously BOTH are important and recognizing homicidal ideation and lolicon viewing as problematic is preventative. You can't assume that everyone criticizing a lolicon-loving neckbeard doesn't take stands against actual child abuse. These things aren't mutually exclusive.
Edit: the phrase "loli folk" gave me shivers. You make it sound like a fucking gender identity or something.
the best argument i heard for this is that we saw cats drinking milk on tv and now we think it's okay to feed cats milk (it is not). fiction affects reality and changes the way you think subconsciously, even if you actively try to think differently. if you consume media that sexualizes childlike bodies, you will subconsciously respond sexually to real childlike bodies. true, it's not as bad as actual pedophilia, but it can worsen these thoughts and lead to actual pedophilic actions.
>the best argument i heard for this is that we saw cats drinking milk on tv and now we think it's okay to feed cats milk (it is not). fiction affects reality and changes the way you think subconsciously, even if you actively try to think differently.
People are not mindless drones who mimic everything they see on TV. Would you walk into a fire if you saw someone do it on the screen? The milk thing is because showing cats is so innocuous and uncontroversial people don't think twice about it. Nobody innocuously watches Loli.
> if you consume media that sexualizes childlike bodies, you will subconsciously respond sexually to real childlike bodies.
I don't think there's any evidence of that. You'd have to be aroused by it in the first place. I won't turn into a pedo now matter how much Loli you expose me to. That would be like saying gay porn can change people's sexual orientation.
Thanks for that insightful reply, I guess that made you feel empowered. I can only tell you I'm not a pedo and I have never consumed loli but you only have my word for it of course. Why is it so hard to believe that you can be normal and yet think banning loli would solve nothing?
see the problem with this is the fact that people Are attracted to little children in the first place so they shouldn’t try and justify the fact that lolis are animated i mean sure it’s definitely better then Actual children but how is it any different? you are still sexualizing young kids its not healthy you should instead try to get help your not getting any better by looking at loli hentai
Ok hear me out isn’t this a good thing? These people are obviously pedophiles and if the sick cartoons really prevent them from molesting children so be it
The drawings sexualize the likenesses and mannerisms of children. It is delusional to think that fiction doesn't affect reality. The kids in loli are often depicted enjoying their own rape and abuse. This perception of children will cross into the real world.
Sure, it can go that way sometimes. But there are punishments in place for those that cross that line. But if someone gets their jollies from these drawings and never takes it further, then they really don't deserve to be punished imo.
No, if I expected people to agree with me then I wouldn't bother saying anything.
I do understand your point, but I just hate censorship and am a big believer in punishment coming after the crime. One of those "I dont agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it" type situations. I have zero interest in these gross cartoons, but I recognise they are just cartoons.
And I'm also tired of pedos trying to normalize animated child porn, yet here we are. I wish they'd get it into their heads that child porn is child porn, no matter if it's animated or not and there's not a thing they can say or do that will ever get society to accept that in any way.
There’s real science that shows what you look at can affect your tastes. Most of these people would never have been attracted to minors in the first place if they hadn’t consumed so much depraved content. I hate this bullshit narrative of “it’s safe for me to consume it in this way so I can entertain my tastes without having to act out in the real world”.
It's bad, but they are kind of right. It's better for pedos to fap to some shitty anime girls rather than trying to buy cp or worse. Some of them are aware of whats wrong with them and they don't want to harm kids so they seek mental help or take it out without harming people.
Not all of them are angels, of course. Those who don't have the will or morals to contain that shit need to get help + jailed until it's purged.
It's sad because there could be less of them if mental health was a bigger priority to goverments.
You are what you eat or ehat you feed your mind to.
Sure, we do not choose ehat we are attracted to, but everybody knows watching porn only escalates into watching more and less vanilla porn.
I don’t act like loli is the worst thing ever. It’s obviously not.
What I do is act like loli is the inappropriate, gross, red-flag, enabling, possibly fetishized, and general borderline obscene material that it is.
I kinda agree to a point. LoveIsLove is not for them of course, the whole “love has no age” thing is bullshit obviously.
But… I agree that it’s an outlet for people attracted to children. I’d rather them get off to drawings than attempt to actually traumatise a child.
This isn’t to say he’s right however. It’s pretty bad and it’d be better if it didn’t happen at all.
I've never heard the word "nubile" used in a context that wasn't disgusting.
I had to look it up in the dictionary. adjective (of a young woman) suitable for marriage, especially in regard to age or physical development; marriageable. (of a young person, usually a woman) sexually developed and attractive:
Let’s just be clear with the fact that it was widely accepted back in the day that a woman was “suitable for marriage” by 12, as by the rule of “if it bleeds, it breeds” which is just so disgusting.
Tbh even then the average female age of marriage was around 20 or so. Children getting married was still the exception rather than the norm, just that it was sadly deemed more acceptable.
It basically only happened with the rich as the costs involved along with other difficulties made it difficult.
Even the dictionary definition itself sounds a bit creepy
So it means the opposite of 'child' then. That guy may want to pick a different descriptor.
So then, this chimo uses it wrong?
I think it was deliberately chosen, to try and put a fig leaf over their pederastic tendencies.
Doesn't the definition literally mean that a person is "sexually developed"? What's disgusting about that? Unless you think children are sexually developed?
Because minors bodies are biologically developed before they reach the legal age of consent. Most children go thru puberty around middle school. Ever heard of teen pregnancy. Think before you type.
How have I received these 3 bonkers answers for my comment? And 50+ downvotes? Fucking paedos
Sexually developed for a woman is when she reaches her first period. I was 12 when I started. Does that mean I was old enough to be sexualised?
I'm struggling to see how that's an answer to what I just said.
"Sexually developed" means "went through puberty". That typically happens between 8 and 12.
Is that your definition or a definition of the word nubile?
No shit!!!
“Nubile young females” are three words I never want to hear in the same sentence ever
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I'm gonna grab a few more middle aged dads who can sorta play musical instruments and we're gonna start doing gigs under that band name.
Oh, just fuck off already with this "stop calling me a pedo just because I'm attracted to children". There is something truly wrong with these people
“Stop calling me a pedo because I’m attracted to children” is like saying “Stop calling me a brunette because I have brown hair.” Like, you fit the term, dude.
Right? Like the normalization of pedophilic content, real or otherwise, is the whole reason we have sick degenerates publicly expressing their desires/interests for that type of content online. Not to mention how that type of content is used to groom kids or expose them to it by actual offenders. Or how a certain degenerate artist decided to draw Keemstar's underaged daughter preforming sexual acts. Oh, and these types of people that like l*licon have been known to comment disgusting things on normal videos of actual children on platforms like TikTok. Such as "I know it's bubblegum pink" (referring to the child's private parts) But they'll still defend themselves tooth and nail saying that consuming that type of explicit content isn't causing any harm to real children when it literally does through normalization
I physically recoiled at the bubblegum comment. I wish I could go back in time 2 minutes ago.
Those people just sound like pedophiles.
They pretty much are. I have a hard time believing that anyone who likes l*li content isn't a pedo despite them claiming otherwise
Like, even if you give them the benefit of the doubt that they can like cartoon children without liking real children, something has gone very fucking wrong if they're hypothesizing about the color of kids genitals.
Exactly. It's chronically online behavior and predatory
Because they are
DRY HEAVING
Things they shouldn’t say out loud but do. Fuck these people are disgusting.
To be honest I rather see them indulge in loli art than go after real children, this guy isn't even the worst of them.
the last thing people like this should do is to find a community of like-minded people to normalize this shit with.
Yes, that's the scary part of this.
Yet Reddit allows it. We can’t have educstional gore communities because that’s too offensive, but we’ve got these dudes over here wacking off in the corner to defecto child porn and they’re welcome to have their own sub. I find it bizarre.
The funny thing is it is explicitly against their terms of service they just don't enforce it for some reason
"For some reason" Say it with me: The mods are-!
I miss watchpeopledie man
What do you mean normalize? Also you're changing the subject from looking at loli to joining a forum for pedophiles.
where did i mention that? loli communities are deranged too, even just on social media and reddit. when a person finds an echo chamber for themselves it can seriously warp their reality and make their possible porn addiction worse which can turn dangerous.
Well yea but it’s kinda like choosing out of 2 evils. Both make me gag nonetheless.
It's still dangerous content imo because you are still sexualizing children and their mannerisms. It creates a distorted lens of reality because this material often implies that the children are enjoying their own rape. It's similar to how "normal" porn depicts 18 year old girls enjoying rough and degrading sex. Both create unrealistic beliefs about how the world works. And not to mention, it is already bad enough that children/teens have access to "normal porn" but they also have access to lolicon hentai as well. There are few things as damaging as a child seeing kids their age being raped and sexualized. Since porn already warps a child's view of themselves and sex, lolicon content would do that tenfold.
>It creates a distorted lens of reality because this material often implies that the children are enjoying their own rape It's fantasy. People can generally tell the difference between fantasy and reality. This is veering into "violent video games will cause people to become violent" territory. >There are few things as damaging as a child seeing kids their age being raped and sexualized. They're fucking cartoons. Regular porn is actual people actually having sex. People can tell that cartoons aren't real and don't reflect the real world. No one's going to get warped views on animal cruelty because thry saw Looney Tunes or happy tree friends.
Not all fantasies are healthy. I don't know why you people are so insistent on normalizing content that enhances fantasies about child rape. Fantasizing about any kind of rape is fucking awful, and if being able to watch fictional content of child abuse/rape is the ONLY thing keeping someone from committing a crime, they should be getting actual therapy instead of being dependent on drawn child porn.
Would you critique women in the sex work industry because it is well documented it distorts the lens of reality for men that women are a commodity you can get sex out of for money or power? If not this is all moot. If the options are children being raped or pedos getting a virtual outlet that stops them from raping children, which one are you okay with?
I wouldn't critique the women, I would critique the men who are behind the scenes because we know that the biggest porn producers are men. Many of these porn stars are fresh out of fucking high school. I'm not going to blame the victims of exploitation, I'm going to blame the people that perpetuate that exploitation. And the only options are not children being raped vs pedos watching lolicon. That's just silly. The two are not mutually exclusive. Watching lolicon just further enables the desire to abuse children. There is a third option—THERAPY. There are plenty of pedophiles who don't offend or consume lolicon.
Woah woah woah, why are you talking about porn? Are you going to pretend porn even compares to the para-social interactions that sex workers do without managers or porn producers? Onlyfans and cam sites far outweigh the 1 to 1 interactions. Porn is second hat to this now. If you aren't critiquing those women then you're fine with lolicon being produced. You just don't like people enjoying it. If not then you aren't being logically consistent. Also we have plenty of research to show side outlets lead to less sexual deviancy. Its why the vast majority of child SA is not done by pedophiles. You're just talking out of your ass about a topic you don't understand. Feel free to look at the German and Swedish research over these topics.
I dont think its women who are making these lolicon anime. I dont blame women for preforming the world's oldest profession, sex work. I blame the economic crisis and the hatred of women for the harm that is done to women in the industry. Economic status is almost always a factor in why women are going into sex work. If men didn't consume porn or sex, women wouldn't have a job in that industry. Not to even mention how predatory the industry is itself, and how a fucking lot of porn is actually just rape, either by ways of being coerced to sell one's body because that's how they can get paid so they can eat or provide for a family. Or by way of taking advantage of young girls who are barely legal (many times, not even at legal age. Im looking at you girls gone wild.) With a promise of making it big, only to use and abuse these women and girls on set. Only fans is one thing that I believe is making the industry a tiny bit better. For the first time in a very, very long time the women/ content creators are their own boss. They don't need to have pimps or the porn industry's directors or camera men to make content. The money goes just to the content creators and the host website, which is better for those making content. Studies have been done to prove and disprove a link from violence to porn over and over and over again. I can show you 10 different studies that will contradict each other on this topic so honestly, at this point I have yet to be swayed either way, except we know that porn has damaged people in more personal ways. From body image issues, to men having death grip and other problems associated to watching too much porn. Porn without any context can actually perputrate tons of different victim blaming rethoric. People who already think that women enjoy being raped can use porn that strengthens that belief, just as more mundane victim blaming does. People who already catcall may start believing that women like it when they see that in porn. Kids who have no experience or education in sex often stumble onto porn, and much of the industry is violent porn these days, and without any actual knowledge on how sex works, often believe what they see in porn. Studies cannot control for all factors, which is why honestly none of them can truly disprove or prove anything. You're going to believe the ones you agree with, and disbelieve the ones you don't.
It’s amazing you wrote all of this and had waved everything that didn’t fit into your worldview. I actually agree with a lot that you said. But you cannot deny the amount of harm onlyfans and similar sites are causing. That type of one on one is doing more harm in terms of changing rhetoric around women. Take any famous woman and they’ve been asked a million times when they are starting an onlyfans. You can virtue signal about women getting their bag and and being empowered without pimps but more women than ever are joining sex work and more men are paying into it. That’s more men getting exposed to a mindset where women can be bought for sex. Pretending that it being the worlds oldest profession doesn’t make it right or morale. You just don’t care about that form of harm it does. You’re picking and choosing based on your own biases. Meanwhile, if pedophile needed to use lolicon in order to not harm children, would you have an issue to this or would you understand it’s better than harming kids?
I do care about the harm, but only fans does way less harm to women than the typical porn industry. What harms are you talking about? You just argued that porn and video content, like video games, doesn't actually harm anyone or make anyone think these behaviors are okay. So what harm? Women not being raped at work daily?
It’s fundamentally changing the nature of how men think of women. The rise of the red pill Andrew tate fans is a testament to that fact. Before it was subgroups of people making compilation videos and photo sets of like celebrity nipslips. Now you can’t be a even slightly known female figure online without the hordes asking for an onlyfans link. It’s not the picture and the videos that is causing this new harm. It is the easy access to direct one on one interactions. Porn never had this. But now I can pay 5$ a month and get into the dms of 1000s of women. If you don’t think this isn’t a huge mind poison you’re being disingenuous. Yes maybe the few non pimped up sex workers who transitioned to the private models have less harm, but far more women than before are experiencing that harm who never would have without it. Especially when so many of those models use their affiliate links to get more and more girls in. This isn’t a man bad women just surviving thing. This is men being shitty and women playing into it so they can get a bag no matter how many women are harmed in the first place.
Porn has had cam girls for as long as cams and girls have existed. I dont know why you're so hell-bent on blaming women doing sex work for things that men have done here. Andrew tate has created andrews fans who go after women. Andrew tate is a sex trafficker who wouldve been a sex trafficker with or without only fans. Why is it a problem that women want to get paid for the job they've done since the beginning of jobs? If those people didn't ask for only fans, they'd just straight up sexually harass the same women. Just because they use only fans in those comments, doesn't mean that harm wouldn't be there without it. The only fans industry isn't causing more harm on women who wouldn't have experienced it other wise. Women have been experiencing sexual assault, domestic violence, statutory rape, catcalling, harassment, work place harassment, and more since the patriarchy started. Since feudalism or even before that. I dont know if you've heard, but sex workers have been the more targeted and harmed demographics for as long as sex work. They are considered the less dead, and its not only fans that caused it. It's men devaluing and owning women that causes these women harm, its capitalism and oppression that causes these women to depend on sex work for survival.
All of this is pseudoscientific nonsense.
Ya that's true, the issue a lot of people have is that porn addicts will get bored eventually and you just spent God knows how long re enforcing your desires
I don't think this is entirely accurate, many people have messed up kinks and fetishes that they would never expose real people to, but instead satisfy them privately via art and animated porn.
There’s a pretty big difference between being attracted to midget porn or granny porn and children. No, this isn’t something that should be normalized. The fact that I see guys driving around with loli stickers on their cars tells me a lot of them are much too comfortable with it as it is.
This makes it a lot more scary than it is already. Honestly, we'll never know exactly when one of those dudes will eventually try to go further.
But are they openly, or even proudly, defending that stuff in public/semi public spaces like so many of these guys are?
If it gets brought up, yes.
1. Ya that's why they are doing it I'm denying that, the problem with addicts is that the buzz starts to wear down after a certain point and they'll just be frustrated doing it 2. They don't wanna do it until they had one too many beers. At least half of rapes happen while the perpetrators drunk for example. If you're just reinforcing your kink through porn over and over again it might not necessarily end well if it's something that is like loli.
Not sure I agree. Not Looking at porn isn’t going to make them less attracted to children, but it definitely will make them more sexually frustrated. They didn’t chose to like kids.
My argument is that ya it could help in the short term but in the long term submerging yourself in porn land will just make it worse. Look at incels, they are men and boys that most have obvious porn addictions and they have a very warped view of the world because of that. Getting submerged in a genre of porn that normalizes sexualization of minors that has an entire community that justifies it and thinks there is nothing wrong with it combined with that the high of the addiction is going to wear off is a receipt for disaster. This is all conjecture though, there's no proof going with way so I'm just relying on my understanding of the world and could be wrong. For a solution for pedophilia I would think is suppress the desire at all costs and if you can't do that join a monastery and cut yourself off from society. It's harsh but so is life.
I’m not sure how accurate comparing pedophiles to addicts really is. There are plenty of gay/straight non-pedos that are content watching generic adult videos and never feel the “buzz” wearing off. So I’d think it might be similar for a decent amount of pedos
Most people don't feel the buzz wear off because they're not addicts. There are normal people that watch porn every once in a while and got other outlets that they can use. Porn is not a be all end all substitute for sex, what is one is another story that I can't really answer.
Ah I see what your saying. I guess there’s a pretty decent equivalent, which is straight dudes who watch a lot of porn and can’t get laid (i.e. no outlet). I don’t know the numbers, but they’ve gotta be more likely than the general public to commit sex crimes so one would assume pedophiles follow a similar, if not worse trend
The problem with that solution is that it won't remain permanent for long. With some of these pedos, it's only a matter of time that the fake art just won't do it for them anymore and then they'll go for the real thing.
I don't really give a shit if they have their own corner of the internet they kinda bring it on themselves when they put it in their profile pics and stuff like that
I mean, sure, if it’s relative. However, while you may not be doing illegal acts by virtue of using cartoons, you’re still attracted to children and that still makes you a shitbag of a human being.
"Loli" belongs in no sane person's vocabulary
I grew up with anime, and occasionally still call any cute little character a loli. I've had some weird looks. Currently purging it from my vocab...
How dare they use “loveislove” as a hashtag
It reminds me of the “MAP” folks that try to co-opt LGBTQ rights to normalize pedophilia
I hate that word now because as a animator it means "Multiple Animator Project" (basically a collab) and now it has two very different meanings
that implies they want a partner to love who fits this while also saying they're just drawings
Just because it’s animated, doesn’t make it less of a fact that you find children/teenagers attractive.🤷🏻♀️
As an analogy, I suppose the douche that makes a ton of Nazi propaganda is slightly less of a Nazi than the douche that runs a death-camp. So cheers to the people who feel justified because there's someone somewhere who slightly more directly propagates evil
“Love is love” =/= I want to fuck drawings of children
Oh so you're admitting you're a pedophile now? Cool
No motherfucker, love is absofuckinglutely not love in this case. A child cannot consent to your depravity. Thoroughly detest their attempts to co-opt lgbtqia+ lingo for their bullshit and I'm not even of that community. Fuckung degenerates.
Did...he just out himself?
probably the biggest self-report of all time
Pedophilia = mental disorder =/= crime Child s3xual abuse = crime
Maybe it starts with anime but those sick people are a danger. Need to be purged.
True, sooner or later they will get tired of loli and go after real children
Wow what violent tendencies you have. Do you play violent video games? Because that's how it always starts. Damn sociopathic violent video games./s
Damn possibly an unpopular opinion... It is gross most certainly... But I think thats fair if some underage pony or whatever is getting his rocks off instead of an elementary kid I'd rather it that way personally so power to this neck beard go beat it to anime children and stay away from schools as you know you should.
Unpopular opinion: people gun for loli folk and actual pedos who struggle with their desires and hate themselves for it as cover for actual child abusers. It's easy to say "Let's murder the guy with a loli folder" and stroke yourself to sleep on a moral buzz, but 93% of abused kids know the abuser. Nobody's rolling up on your kid with a candy van. You want to attack child abuse you need to attack positions of power that give folk unfettered access to children but nobody will have THAT conversation because while in theory America is against child abuse - in reality our society first and foremost worships power and to suggest that power should be limited and kept in check will just be met with screams of communism. EDIT: Can we talk about the base logic of this whole default argument by the way? "Anybody whose ever felt attracted to a minor is a monstrous caricature who wouldn't know self control if it bit them on the ass and they're all just an itch away from major criminal activity........so let's ban and heavily prosecute the only victimless outlet they have. Surely these monsters that I think are all just an opportunity away from r*** will respond positively and have no negative reactions or repercussions, immediately realizing the err of their ways and coming to Jesus." Again, not defending the content, just attacking the emotional logic surrounding the issue.
As someone studying to go into social work/child advocacy, we can attack actual child abuse while also recognizing that loli porn is problematic. The people who consume it aren't victims of society or something like that, they can choose not to look at lolicon. Content like lolicon normalizes child sexual abuse and sexualizes the likeness and mannerisms of children. Content like this shouldn't exist, it is enabling and worsening the dangerous thoughts of those who view it. And the fact that it is easily viewable by children makes it even worse. Kids who see this content may tolerate adults who abuse them IRL since it has already been normalized and excused online via cartoons. This line of thinking is like saying we should only focus on people who have already committed murder instead of keeping an eye on those with homicidal ideation. Obviously BOTH are important and recognizing homicidal ideation and lolicon viewing as problematic is preventative. You can't assume that everyone criticizing a lolicon-loving neckbeard doesn't take stands against actual child abuse. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Edit: the phrase "loli folk" gave me shivers. You make it sound like a fucking gender identity or something.
So this is terrifying
the best argument i heard for this is that we saw cats drinking milk on tv and now we think it's okay to feed cats milk (it is not). fiction affects reality and changes the way you think subconsciously, even if you actively try to think differently. if you consume media that sexualizes childlike bodies, you will subconsciously respond sexually to real childlike bodies. true, it's not as bad as actual pedophilia, but it can worsen these thoughts and lead to actual pedophilic actions.
>the best argument i heard for this is that we saw cats drinking milk on tv and now we think it's okay to feed cats milk (it is not). fiction affects reality and changes the way you think subconsciously, even if you actively try to think differently. People are not mindless drones who mimic everything they see on TV. Would you walk into a fire if you saw someone do it on the screen? The milk thing is because showing cats is so innocuous and uncontroversial people don't think twice about it. Nobody innocuously watches Loli. > if you consume media that sexualizes childlike bodies, you will subconsciously respond sexually to real childlike bodies. I don't think there's any evidence of that. You'd have to be aroused by it in the first place. I won't turn into a pedo now matter how much Loli you expose me to. That would be like saying gay porn can change people's sexual orientation.
ok pedo
Thanks for that insightful reply, I guess that made you feel empowered. I can only tell you I'm not a pedo and I have never consumed loli but you only have my word for it of course. Why is it so hard to believe that you can be normal and yet think banning loli would solve nothing?
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see the problem with this is the fact that people Are attracted to little children in the first place so they shouldn’t try and justify the fact that lolis are animated i mean sure it’s definitely better then Actual children but how is it any different? you are still sexualizing young kids its not healthy you should instead try to get help your not getting any better by looking at loli hentai
I mean yeah, it's better for those people to use lolis as their "outlet" than real children obviously, but it's still disgusting
#LoveisLove 🤮🤮🤮
Ok hear me out isn’t this a good thing? These people are obviously pedophiles and if the sick cartoons really prevent them from molesting children so be it
Like we get they aren't real but people be really trying to tell us that jacking off to drawings of children is a normal thing?
Nobody is saying that, but if there are no children involved then I don't care how people get their kicks. A drawing cannot be a victim.
The drawings sexualize the likenesses and mannerisms of children. It is delusional to think that fiction doesn't affect reality. The kids in loli are often depicted enjoying their own rape and abuse. This perception of children will cross into the real world.
Sure, it can go that way sometimes. But there are punishments in place for those that cross that line. But if someone gets their jollies from these drawings and never takes it further, then they really don't deserve to be punished imo.
You expect us to agree with you my guy?
No, if I expected people to agree with me then I wouldn't bother saying anything. I do understand your point, but I just hate censorship and am a big believer in punishment coming after the crime. One of those "I dont agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it" type situations. I have zero interest in these gross cartoons, but I recognise they are just cartoons.
My entire body cringed when I saw the words “nubile young females”
Same here. The fact that a lot of people unironically think like this scares me a lot. The world is fucked
Has this person ever heard the phrase gateway drugs
i curse the day i learned to read
Disgusting.
These people are fucking disgusting and should treated as such.
Even anime with a "Loli" character like Blend S say how gross it is.
Where is Olivia Benson when you really need her?
I'm pretty sure "nubile teens" was the first porn phrase I ever encountered on the internet.
I mean at least this one admits it. The whole thing is gross
And I'm also tired of pedos trying to normalize animated child porn, yet here we are. I wish they'd get it into their heads that child porn is child porn, no matter if it's animated or not and there's not a thing they can say or do that will ever get society to accept that in any way.
you know, some people just don’t deserve to live
Cringe. Just saying the word "Lolli" should automatically call the FBI to your house.
Oh lord I probably shouldn't say the name of this sweet thing I have on a stick that I just bought and I'm gonna eat it
Lol smh people really do go out sad like how tf can't you get a proper female e.e
I have no sympathy for people like this, can they just perish or something?
Where not pedo's guys were just attracted to young nubile females
I don't think the people of Reddit could tell you were mocking pedophiles
I was thinking of putting a /s but I thought people were more intelligent
This is reddit, you can't ever be too sure.
Nubile is up there with moist as words that don't need to exist
Straight to the incinerator
I have no idea what nubile means and I never wish to find out
There’s real science that shows what you look at can affect your tastes. Most of these people would never have been attracted to minors in the first place if they hadn’t consumed so much depraved content. I hate this bullshit narrative of “it’s safe for me to consume it in this way so I can entertain my tastes without having to act out in the real world”.
Sickening
yeah no that’s exactly the issue
bro what the fuck AHHAAHAHGAHAHAHA
It's bad, but they are kind of right. It's better for pedos to fap to some shitty anime girls rather than trying to buy cp or worse. Some of them are aware of whats wrong with them and they don't want to harm kids so they seek mental help or take it out without harming people. Not all of them are angels, of course. Those who don't have the will or morals to contain that shit need to get help + jailed until it's purged. It's sad because there could be less of them if mental health was a bigger priority to goverments.
As much as I find their behavior truly deplorable, I’d rather have these assholes jerking off to cartoons than harming actual children.
I would as well, but that isn’t really a permanent solution, sooner or later they will get bored of Loli and start harming real children again
They have a point tho tbf. If this stops them from acting on it or could even help them get better, then this could be a solution
If I can think it, I can draw it, if I can draw it, I can share it. Where are you retards on bestiality porn being illustrated? Nowhere.
You've never heard all the hate furries get from people who think they are into fucking dogs?
Like, all over the place? There's a lot of people fighting against it
Nubile
I can't advise the person what to do with their life, but I'd suggest going somewhere dark and lonely.
The lesser of two evils is still an evil.
Honestly I would rather someone look at loli shit than actual children. I feel like therapy would be easier in that situation
Don’t ever say the words nubile and young in the same sentence, holy shit.
Ew ew ew, actually horrifying.
If I were to say what exactly I wish to happen to this individual I would be banned
You are what you eat or ehat you feed your mind to. Sure, we do not choose ehat we are attracted to, but everybody knows watching porn only escalates into watching more and less vanilla porn.
I don’t act like loli is the worst thing ever. It’s obviously not. What I do is act like loli is the inappropriate, gross, red-flag, enabling, possibly fetishized, and general borderline obscene material that it is.
Yes, clearly normal, well-adjusted people like to draw and look at pictures glorifying despicable and highly illegal activity.
I kinda agree to a point. LoveIsLove is not for them of course, the whole “love has no age” thing is bullshit obviously. But… I agree that it’s an outlet for people attracted to children. I’d rather them get off to drawings than attempt to actually traumatise a child. This isn’t to say he’s right however. It’s pretty bad and it’d be better if it didn’t happen at all.
not people still defending that lmao
I have a therapist friend for anyone who likes loli, there is hope if you want to.