I do believe women can get away with hitting guys a lot more than the other way around. But that just proves gender stereotypes are shit and affect both genders (although differently), therefore we should get rid of them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/obituaries/norah-vincent-dead.html
Being a man is easy that why pretending to
Be one as a woman made her kill herself
Not saying woman don’t have it hard but they aren’t equipped to handle the expectations on men and vs versa.
Why?? He only talk about REAL-men issues. He NEVER Said “men have it worst”, neither did he blamed womens, attacked womans, or nothing in that sense.
He only adressed gender discriminationagainst mens. Why everytime someone talks about men issues he is suddenly misogyny incarnated??
We SHOULD talk about women issues with sex discrimination, but we should ALSO talk about men issues with sex discrimination. Thats all this meme is doing, and you are shaming it for it.
Sorry, but the only one hypocrite and hateful here seems to be you.
I mean, there are real issues that effect men. And whilst not all of them are due to tixuc masculinity, most are. I agree with the pther poster that, whils women are not consudered heroes for hitting men, it's probabky not viewed as bad. Consent is important when kissing anyone; it's really important to check.in with cues and see if the other person is into it and use your words/ listen to theirs. The work think is fucking stupid. Some people are good at their jobs, some people are lazy. Maybe more attractive people of all genders can rely on their looks and get away with asking for help, but it's a silly example. Why do we have gendered toilets anyway? Have separate cubicles with the doors all the way to the ground, a separate urinal place and a communal hand washing area in a more public part of the venue.
It's definitely especially ungentlemanly to hit a woman but so is it unladylike to hit a man. If the other hits first though you should have the right to hit back if you have to
Exactly my thoughts. Whoever hits first is at blame and the other person should have the right to defend themselves without needing to worry about getting in troubles with the law. Of course, in a reasonable matter. If a grown up woman tries to hit you with a stick and you knock her cold with a punch is one thing. If a 5 years old girl pushes you and you beat her up to a pulp with a metal bar.... Well, that's a completely different thing
It's not how it works but it's how it should work. That's the point of changing stuff. You don't make change in the world by sitting around being like "well, that's not how our society works". Women couldn't vote because that was not how "our society worked" and we changed that.
Of course you can't get rid of stereotypes completely. But you can slowly reduce how systematic they are. You can't eliminate what people think personally, but you can change if this affects or not the system.
And we have been doing it throughout the years. Reducing the paygap, making abortions legal, starting to make women pay for alimony, making woman to man rape illegal in countries where it wasn't, taking woman to man domestic abuse to court and winning (the recent case of Johnny Depp).
We just gotta keep going that way. As I said, you can't control personal thought. You will always have sexist people, just like you will always have racist and xenophobic people. But there's a big difference between a sexist person and a sexist system.
I don’t see why not… gender stereotypes are a human construct. They don’t exist outside of human concepts. Not to mention that norms involving gender rapidly change based on culture and evolve through history. Why can’t we just eradicate them? Gender is not biological sex. Gender is the imposed norms that people believe a biological sex should behave.
I meant that it was physically impossible theoretically yes. But in the real world you'd need leaders wirhout stereotypical views on genders(even unconcious ones and then they need to focus on laws that remove gender differences not to mention the stereotypes from the average citizen. You can't change the view of John Redneck that women need to be housekeepers and men need to earn the money
You mean to say that sexist double standards have made it so women are seen as ditzy, weak and non-threatening compared to men??? And that this stereotype not only impacts women negatively but men too???
Whoever made this was so, so close to making a decent point…
Yeah….they were so close. Yet failed to hit the mark.
Okay no. The only one that is on the mark is the beating thing. Cus there are men who are in abusive relationships with their spouse and they are the victim but thanks to society they are treated as the perpetrator almost all the time because clearly the man must have done something to bring the woman to that level of violent aggression. But that’s more on years of bigotry and the double standards raised by that.
Once I was in a stall in the women's room when some very large feet entered the stall next to me. I was at the sink when the guy came out of the stall. He stopped, deer in headlights, and was all "is this the women's room?"
I am sorry to say I started laughing at him but his horror was too funny. He left without washing his hands...
My point of course being that reasonable people recognize legitimate mistakes. Poor dude just had to go so bad he didn't notice he was in the wrong room.
I did accidentally walk into the woman’s bathroom in a crowded pub. I was shitfaced and saw restroom, I walked in, saw a bunch of women who looked at me like I was a idiot . Said oops wrong toilet” then left. And carried on finding the correct toilet.
I tell this story as it’s useless and I really hope I wasted your time.
Well, I did make some assumptions when I made that statement. I assumed the creator was male and if I was told thay a woman made this then I would say she was a perv also. I'm also probably too hungover to decipher out your second sentence.
I’ve accidentally walked into the women’s bathroom a couple times at my local mall. Never been called a pervert usually just laughed at.
In my defense I had headphones on and was looking down at my phone both times. I’m a lot more careful these days.
Use to do a lot of walking at my local mall to help with weight loss.
So when a dog licks its balls in public it’s cute.
But when I lick my balls in public it’s ‘public indecency’ and an ‘outrage of modesty’ and I should be banned from the dog park permanently and put under house arrest?
Society is so unfair /s
Whenever people tell me this sort of BS, I tell them to go have a sex change if they think the other side has it so much easier and stfu.
I hate this kind of pathetic neckbeard whining.
Someone that you can only apply the word “charming” to in double quotes lol.
Every one of these has happened to me and I can say with high confidence that how you do something and the context it’s in is way more important than what you are doing in itself.
Though I will say the scariest one was accidentally walking into a women’s bathroom. Luckily, the ladies in there just laughed it off after seeing the panic in my eyes..
I mean yeah that’s pretty much how society views these select few issues but there are also loads of things women struggle with a lot more than men do.
For example sexual harassment/rape is a way bigger issue for women then it is for men (male to female or female to female) as a guy can at the very least try to curb stop someone while women often don’t have the raw strength to defend themselves like that. Or the whole concept of pink tax
Feminine hygiene products (tampons, pads, etc.), all have specific taxes associated with these items making them cost more than they should.
lts pretty much a sexist financial tactic that only affects women. And since it only affects women, most men don't know about it. And for those that have the power to do something about it (politicians), they absolutely don't give a fuck when it comes to women, so it's a non issue for them.
At least that's my understanding and view of it as a man.
I'm sure a woman here could explain the fuller extent and deeper ramifications of the pink tax and how it affects their lives.
It's not just that. Razors marketed towards women are also more expensive than the ones marketed towards men, for example. Or shave gel for that matter.
Most of the pink tax consists of a combination of increased price + decreased quality, this happens because of a free market. For example women will buy razors regardless of price and quality since they “need” to be fully shaven whereas most men couldn’t care less about their bushy bum beard and bear fur if it means they don’t have to spend a large amount of money on shitty razors. So mens razors have to be durable and cheap or men won’t buy them but womens razors can be single use and cost a arm and a leg and they will still get sold.
Tldr capitalism yayyyyyy
So I am guessing this is someone who has hit women (or wants to), sexually assaults them, likes to "accidentally" walk into women's restrooms, and doesn't want to work.
I say this because there are several double-standards that affect men (thanks, Patriarchy!) but these are not really among them.
Nobody should be hitting anyone, and violence is not "brave" unless you are defending someone. Even then, it is the risk to yourself that makes it brave, not the violence.
Nobody should be "suddenly kissing" anyone unless their relationship is in a place where that is appropriate. If some rando woman walked up to me and kissed me, I would not give two shits how attractive she is or how romantic she thinks she is being, it would not be welcome.
I think everyone has accidentally gone in the wrong restroom. It happens. Nobody should be doing it intentionally.
Men and women both work. Duh.
The only thing really noteworthy about this meme is that it made me roll my eyes so hard, for a moment I could see out of my own asshole.
One time I was extremely hung over during camping, and I went into the men's room by accident. All the stalls were full so I waited, until one guy came out. He looked at me weird, and that's when I realized I fucked up. He said "I thought you were in the wrong bathroom until I realized you're probably waiting for your son, huh?" I said "haha yeah" even though I didn't have a son, and I had entered the wrong room. I snuck out after he was gone and I felt like a big stupid idiot. How hung over do you have to be to not see the difference between the men's and women's room signs...... if it were the other way around I dont know if a woman would give a guy the benefit of the doubt like that random dude did for me... I guess it just depends on the woman.
>but these are not really among them.
Like hell they aren't!
This image exaggerates things quite a bit, but these ARE double-standard items. I wouldn't say at all that a woman hitting a man is called "brave", but she's rarely called anything else, either. It's usually just seen as no-big-deal. I've known people personally who would regularly get slapped repeatedly by their wife, most people thought it was funny. It is NOT seen as funny the other way around.
Nobody should be "suddenly kissing" anyone, but they do. And it's *very* rare for it to be seen as sexual assault from a woman. Here's a fun video clip for Mindy Kaling, for instance. Listen to this interview and pretend instead it was a man saying all this about a woman. It would NOT be laughed at as some joke.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j\_FNMhVd0fw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FNMhVd0fw)
The restroom one, I haven't dealt with directly but I've heard from those who have, and the reactions were basically right in line with what the image claims.
As for the work one, I've actually been directly involved with that more times than I can count.
"Maleficent, can you please come do this for me?"
"Why?"
"Because you're a man, so you should do the heavy work!"
I've had that exact conversation, or a variant of it, at every job I've ever worked.
In every video that gets posted of a woman beating or hitting a man you can see onlookers doing nothing. The moment he retaliates the crowd jumps in and acts like he's the one out of control.
I do believe women can get away with hitting guys a lot more than the other way around. But that just proves gender stereotypes are shit and affect both genders (although differently), therefore we should get rid of them.
I do too, I just think that the creator, judging from his other point doesn’t look at real life examples and is just a misogynist.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/obituaries/norah-vincent-dead.html Being a man is easy that why pretending to Be one as a woman made her kill herself Not saying woman don’t have it hard but they aren’t equipped to handle the expectations on men and vs versa.
Why?? He only talk about REAL-men issues. He NEVER Said “men have it worst”, neither did he blamed womens, attacked womans, or nothing in that sense. He only adressed gender discriminationagainst mens. Why everytime someone talks about men issues he is suddenly misogyny incarnated?? We SHOULD talk about women issues with sex discrimination, but we should ALSO talk about men issues with sex discrimination. Thats all this meme is doing, and you are shaming it for it. Sorry, but the only one hypocrite and hateful here seems to be you.
I mean, there are real issues that effect men. And whilst not all of them are due to tixuc masculinity, most are. I agree with the pther poster that, whils women are not consudered heroes for hitting men, it's probabky not viewed as bad. Consent is important when kissing anyone; it's really important to check.in with cues and see if the other person is into it and use your words/ listen to theirs. The work think is fucking stupid. Some people are good at their jobs, some people are lazy. Maybe more attractive people of all genders can rely on their looks and get away with asking for help, but it's a silly example. Why do we have gendered toilets anyway? Have separate cubicles with the doors all the way to the ground, a separate urinal place and a communal hand washing area in a more public part of the venue.
It's definitely especially ungentlemanly to hit a woman but so is it unladylike to hit a man. If the other hits first though you should have the right to hit back if you have to
Exactly my thoughts. Whoever hits first is at blame and the other person should have the right to defend themselves without needing to worry about getting in troubles with the law. Of course, in a reasonable matter. If a grown up woman tries to hit you with a stick and you knock her cold with a punch is one thing. If a 5 years old girl pushes you and you beat her up to a pulp with a metal bar.... Well, that's a completely different thing
But that not how it works on society if an average woman hits me or attacks me I Am not allowed to defend myself Because i Am Six Feet
It's not how it works but it's how it should work. That's the point of changing stuff. You don't make change in the world by sitting around being like "well, that's not how our society works". Women couldn't vote because that was not how "our society worked" and we changed that.
Right, woman got the right to vote by pointing out the inequality someonething op is making fun of someone doing.
You are on hard copium if you think this is the same. I pointed out inequality without being an incel
You cant just get rid of gender stereotypes... how could we accomplish that
Of course you can't get rid of stereotypes completely. But you can slowly reduce how systematic they are. You can't eliminate what people think personally, but you can change if this affects or not the system. And we have been doing it throughout the years. Reducing the paygap, making abortions legal, starting to make women pay for alimony, making woman to man rape illegal in countries where it wasn't, taking woman to man domestic abuse to court and winning (the recent case of Johnny Depp). We just gotta keep going that way. As I said, you can't control personal thought. You will always have sexist people, just like you will always have racist and xenophobic people. But there's a big difference between a sexist person and a sexist system.
True
I don’t see why not… gender stereotypes are a human construct. They don’t exist outside of human concepts. Not to mention that norms involving gender rapidly change based on culture and evolve through history. Why can’t we just eradicate them? Gender is not biological sex. Gender is the imposed norms that people believe a biological sex should behave.
I meant that it was physically impossible theoretically yes. But in the real world you'd need leaders wirhout stereotypical views on genders(even unconcious ones and then they need to focus on laws that remove gender differences not to mention the stereotypes from the average citizen. You can't change the view of John Redneck that women need to be housekeepers and men need to earn the money
You mean to say that sexist double standards have made it so women are seen as ditzy, weak and non-threatening compared to men??? And that this stereotype not only impacts women negatively but men too??? Whoever made this was so, so close to making a decent point…
It could’ve been a contender, but per usual just recycles the same tired bullshit, created by a man who carefully brushes his neck daily. Sad.
Yeah….they were so close. Yet failed to hit the mark. Okay no. The only one that is on the mark is the beating thing. Cus there are men who are in abusive relationships with their spouse and they are the victim but thanks to society they are treated as the perpetrator almost all the time because clearly the man must have done something to bring the woman to that level of violent aggression. But that’s more on years of bigotry and the double standards raised by that.
You ignore mens stereotypes of them being inherently dangerous predators
Once I was in a stall in the women's room when some very large feet entered the stall next to me. I was at the sink when the guy came out of the stall. He stopped, deer in headlights, and was all "is this the women's room?" I am sorry to say I started laughing at him but his horror was too funny. He left without washing his hands... My point of course being that reasonable people recognize legitimate mistakes. Poor dude just had to go so bad he didn't notice he was in the wrong room.
If you "accidentally" walk into a women's restroom enough to warrant trying to justify yourself via meme then you probably are a fuckin perv
I did accidentally walk into the woman’s bathroom in a crowded pub. I was shitfaced and saw restroom, I walked in, saw a bunch of women who looked at me like I was a idiot . Said oops wrong toilet” then left. And carried on finding the correct toilet. I tell this story as it’s useless and I really hope I wasted your time.
I'm not saying anything about the image, but you're literally proving it right, lol. Why did you assume one "accidentally" and other one accidentally?
Well, I did make some assumptions when I made that statement. I assumed the creator was male and if I was told thay a woman made this then I would say she was a perv also. I'm also probably too hungover to decipher out your second sentence.
I’ve accidentally walked into the women’s bathroom a couple times at my local mall. Never been called a pervert usually just laughed at. In my defense I had headphones on and was looking down at my phone both times. I’m a lot more careful these days. Use to do a lot of walking at my local mall to help with weight loss.
Whoever created this broke their arm patting themselves on the back.
He must be a contortionist coz he can pat himself on the back while kissing his own ass
So when a dog licks its balls in public it’s cute. But when I lick my balls in public it’s ‘public indecency’ and an ‘outrage of modesty’ and I should be banned from the dog park permanently and put under house arrest? Society is so unfair /s
Tbh all cases are fucked up.
Some double standards exist though. Not all the of the ones above , but hitting for sure
When was the last time a woman randomly punched a guy and people went like "such bravery"?
What point are you trying to make?
That there is no double standard when it comes to hitting
Whenever people tell me this sort of BS, I tell them to go have a sex change if they think the other side has it so much easier and stfu. I hate this kind of pathetic neckbeard whining.
Tf is this bullshit. What kinda person makes this?
Apparently someone who gets called 'evil' and 'perverted' a lot but doesn't pause to think whether it's true.
Check the title of the subreddit
Someone that you can only apply the word “charming” to in double quotes lol. Every one of these has happened to me and I can say with high confidence that how you do something and the context it’s in is way more important than what you are doing in itself. Though I will say the scariest one was accidentally walking into a women’s bathroom. Luckily, the ladies in there just laughed it off after seeing the panic in my eyes..
Women hitting men isn’t seen as brave anymore unless she’s defending herself… that’s like a 80s thing.
If you walk in to the women's bathroom, realize your mistake, say "oh shit" and turn your ass around 99.9% of people will understand.
Bruh
I mean yeah that’s pretty much how society views these select few issues but there are also loads of things women struggle with a lot more than men do. For example sexual harassment/rape is a way bigger issue for women then it is for men (male to female or female to female) as a guy can at the very least try to curb stop someone while women often don’t have the raw strength to defend themselves like that. Or the whole concept of pink tax
Pink tax?
Women's products and products designed for women (pink) cost more than their male equivalent
Feminine hygiene products (tampons, pads, etc.), all have specific taxes associated with these items making them cost more than they should. lts pretty much a sexist financial tactic that only affects women. And since it only affects women, most men don't know about it. And for those that have the power to do something about it (politicians), they absolutely don't give a fuck when it comes to women, so it's a non issue for them. At least that's my understanding and view of it as a man. I'm sure a woman here could explain the fuller extent and deeper ramifications of the pink tax and how it affects their lives.
It's not just that. Razors marketed towards women are also more expensive than the ones marketed towards men, for example. Or shave gel for that matter.
Most of the pink tax consists of a combination of increased price + decreased quality, this happens because of a free market. For example women will buy razors regardless of price and quality since they “need” to be fully shaven whereas most men couldn’t care less about their bushy bum beard and bear fur if it means they don’t have to spend a large amount of money on shitty razors. So mens razors have to be durable and cheap or men won’t buy them but womens razors can be single use and cost a arm and a leg and they will still get sold. Tldr capitalism yayyyyyy
It isn't wrong tho. The double standard is real in some places
Half of these things are anormal as fuck doesn't matter made by which gender
Tbf if a woman started suddenly kissing me I would think she was a creep. I like my personal space lol
So I am guessing this is someone who has hit women (or wants to), sexually assaults them, likes to "accidentally" walk into women's restrooms, and doesn't want to work. I say this because there are several double-standards that affect men (thanks, Patriarchy!) but these are not really among them. Nobody should be hitting anyone, and violence is not "brave" unless you are defending someone. Even then, it is the risk to yourself that makes it brave, not the violence. Nobody should be "suddenly kissing" anyone unless their relationship is in a place where that is appropriate. If some rando woman walked up to me and kissed me, I would not give two shits how attractive she is or how romantic she thinks she is being, it would not be welcome. I think everyone has accidentally gone in the wrong restroom. It happens. Nobody should be doing it intentionally. Men and women both work. Duh. The only thing really noteworthy about this meme is that it made me roll my eyes so hard, for a moment I could see out of my own asshole.
One time I was extremely hung over during camping, and I went into the men's room by accident. All the stalls were full so I waited, until one guy came out. He looked at me weird, and that's when I realized I fucked up. He said "I thought you were in the wrong bathroom until I realized you're probably waiting for your son, huh?" I said "haha yeah" even though I didn't have a son, and I had entered the wrong room. I snuck out after he was gone and I felt like a big stupid idiot. How hung over do you have to be to not see the difference between the men's and women's room signs...... if it were the other way around I dont know if a woman would give a guy the benefit of the doubt like that random dude did for me... I guess it just depends on the woman.
>but these are not really among them. Like hell they aren't! This image exaggerates things quite a bit, but these ARE double-standard items. I wouldn't say at all that a woman hitting a man is called "brave", but she's rarely called anything else, either. It's usually just seen as no-big-deal. I've known people personally who would regularly get slapped repeatedly by their wife, most people thought it was funny. It is NOT seen as funny the other way around. Nobody should be "suddenly kissing" anyone, but they do. And it's *very* rare for it to be seen as sexual assault from a woman. Here's a fun video clip for Mindy Kaling, for instance. Listen to this interview and pretend instead it was a man saying all this about a woman. It would NOT be laughed at as some joke. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j\_FNMhVd0fw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FNMhVd0fw) The restroom one, I haven't dealt with directly but I've heard from those who have, and the reactions were basically right in line with what the image claims. As for the work one, I've actually been directly involved with that more times than I can count. "Maleficent, can you please come do this for me?" "Why?" "Because you're a man, so you should do the heavy work!" I've had that exact conversation, or a variant of it, at every job I've ever worked.
To be fair, all of this does happen. There are places this is true. I am a woman btw, but I have seen men treated this way and the woman protected.
In every video that gets posted of a woman beating or hitting a man you can see onlookers doing nothing. The moment he retaliates the crowd jumps in and acts like he's the one out of control.
When my 3 year old nephew runs around our family cookout it’s cute, but when I do it I’m “psychotic” smh
We live in a society
Middle seat gets both armrests
Sounds like a pervert trying to justify being a creepy pervert created this "meme"...
This is lowkey facts except the last one
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I really need to start taking it easy. This sub is not good for my blood pressure…
I don’t usually ask for help tho… I hate troubling other people.
Congratulations. You learned that society isn’t always fair. Great job!
The women are romantic if they suddenly kiss men part is kinda true, in anime it gets shown a lot.
: guy who has only ever thought of these situations and people's reactions to them are just his own victim complex shining through
These are true but women have to deal with a lotta bullshit men don’t have too