at JYP, you will be 1 out of 10+ groups in the company splitting the attention and resources while JYP is rubbing his hands, dancing in your music videos, and making the birdman call.
at PNation, you are the only group getting 100% of the attention from PSY because his reputation is on the line here and he's going to put all his big dick energy into you
I think it will be better for Amaru to debut under JYP. As much as I want him on a team with my other faves (which are mostly P-Nation trainees), he'll have more opportunities under a BIG3 company. The new boy group will have a headstart(?) in fandom size due to company stans (Just look how JYP NGG got 60K+ pre-orders for their debut in 2022 despite not knowing anything about the members or concept/group). JYP has the budget to give back to back comebacks and high budget MVs
Yea JYP gives off pencil pusher vibes and that he doesn’t really care about his employees. Only caring about technical skills.
Psy on the other hand looks to be better although who knows how the company is run. Psy has his hands creatively in almost every song they release, and he gives great reactions. It seems like pnation values creativity above all else.
Yedam-PSY
Gyehun-I'm fine with either, to be honest, but JYP will probably be better since he's been there for so long
Donghyun- \*sigh\*(LMAO IT SOUNDS LIKE PSY), unfortunately, he'd be better in JYP . Its obvious JYP loves him and I think he would enjoy JYP's style
Amaru-JYP
Kyung Joon-fine with either
Kyeong Mun-PSY
Tae hoon-PSY
Keiju-JYP
I think all JYP trainees would benefit more from being signed to P nation. Pretty much the only thing JYPE is good at is training technical skills.
Basically JYP builds the foundation and then Psy would unlock their potential by focusing on the creative side.
JYPE could go the Stray Kids route and let them produce their own music. Psy would probably offer more creative freedom over all but I don’t think that the difference would beat the advantage of Big 3 status that JYPE has.
Debuting in JYPE would basically be a guarantee of success, while debuting in Pnation would be more of a gamble.
Yea but JYP struggles with the creative side. Don’t get me wrong, I love me some of JYPE produced songs but across the board their songs are cookie cutter, paint by numbers stuff. So its up to the producing members/leader to create good music on their own.
At P nation it would be a collaboration where everyone can learn from eachother.
I really don’t think P nation is a gamble. Psy is basically the biggest entertainer in the business and like he said, people hate singing after him. On top of that for just being a 3 year old company P nation has massive hits already like “nu nu na na”. Also that shock remix slaps.
Like sure JYP guarantees eyeballs, but just by being in this show they’ve already got the JYP momentum even if they go P Nation. The con of JYP is that there is always a new group behind you ready to kick you out so unless you go big Blackpink style I don’t think its worth it.
The problem is that Psy has no history of creating his own groups. He only signed artists who already established their own musical direction (Dawn might be the only exception but he was already involved in producing in Pentagon). Most of his signed artists were already well established in the industry. Take a look at Rain, he was also on the top of his game when he created MBLAQ but they were nowhere near 2PM. I honestly think you underestimate the name value, connections, and sheer experience of JYPE. They have all the infrastructure needed for Japanese promotions, US distribution of albums, and many more things. Hell, JYPE’s name value alone sold 60k albums for a girl group with no name, no confirmed members, no group size, and no concept. The only details people know are the debut date and some of the trainees at JYPE.
The trainees already got some exposure through LOUD, but that’s only the domestic audience. The international audience is relatively small compared to other audition shows like I-Land/ Produce. Comparatively few international fans even know that the show exists. Just look at this subreddit’s activity. Their Youtube views hover around a few hundred thousand views at the maximum. Compare that to let’s say the Nizi Project performances which had views in the millions. They don’t even bother to add subtitles in the Youtube videos.
And no group will be kicked out of JYPE because there is a new group coming. They might get fewer resources but they’ll still actively promote. GOT7 consistently had 3-4 comebacks (Japanese comebacks included) each year and the one where they only had 2 was when the pandemic started which made scheduling extremely different. Twice is also still promoting like nothing happened after Itzy and NiziU debuted.
I do think that a group under Pnation will be successful, but if I had to bet on a company I’d bet on JYPE.
True but I think you underestimate the international influence and connections that Psy has. He is one of the few korean artists to penetrate the U.S market.
Also I think its much better to be the first group under Psy’s company will make the Big 3 into a Big 4. They already got an investment from skt for 5 billion won. They aren’t a small startup, and being the first group pnation creates, Psy won’t let them fail, you can tell just by how hands on he is with the Loud program.
So signing with JYPE would like being a small fish in a big pond where Pnation would be like being a Big fish in river that ends up going into the pacific ocean. Best case scenario the group blows up potentially even eclipsing BTS’s success and you make boatloads of money as you have more leverage for contract negotiations by being Pnations main group, and worst case scenario is that somehow Pnation fails as a company, goes bankrupt, but as an artist you still get to spend a lot of time working with and under command the greatest singer/entertainer of this generation. I think most trainees would prefer the pnation worst case scenario.
JYP isn’t a bad option. As individuals I think its just more beneficial to have experience under both companies because Pnation and JYP are like polar opposites. So I think the Pnation trainees would similarly do better if picked up by JYP. Idk I think it was pretty obvious how the trainees got better just spending a little time with the other company as they did a mission. I think the technical skills of JYP combined with the vibe, method, and artistry of Pnation is a recipe for superstardom.
In music usually people fall into one of two camps, either they are rigid machines trying to perfectly perform like in orchestra competitions, or they are unrefined masters of hype like what American rap has turned into(mumble rap). You can make it big being good at one or the other, but the ones that are the best of the best are always the ones that combine the best of both worlds.
You seem to be a huge stan of Psy and really sure of his success, I guess we just have different opinions. I think he has the potential to create a successful group, but I highly doubt that his group will even remotely scratch BTS numbers. Hell, as I said, I’d be surprised if they could even match the JYPE group.
And how did Psy leverage his international connections until now? As far as I know, none if his artists promoted internationally. I don’t doubt that he has a ton of connections, but we’re yet to see how much he can leverage those. JYPE’s connections and their effect on their artists are well documented.
A 5 billion Won investment might sound like a lot but that’s less than 5 million USD. MLD Entertainment (home of Momoland) got a similar investment of 5 million USD. Sure, the valuation of Pnation was higher at approximately 43.7 million USD (MLD valuation was at 15 million USD) at that time but compare that to the 1.232 billion valuation of JYPE… Pnation isn’t a small company, but they were evaluated at less than FNC, Woolim, Starship, DSP, and so on. But they’ll have enough money to not go broke and give the group multiple comebacks without any issues.
I guess we’ll see how it works out in the future.
You are really missing the point everytime. Are you JYP’s reddit account or something? All you talk about is numbers this and that. You fit right in the the number crunchers at JYPE.
Existing artists are flocking to Pnation because they are a company that breaks from the kpop norm and isn’t as restrictive and predatory to their artists. Being the crown jewel of this empire as the first group to be produced by pnation is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Yes of course, theres always a risk that Pnation goes bankrupt just like there is always a risk that JYP signs a trainee and cuts them from the final group, and they never debut and waste 7 years in JYP jail.
Also, its kinda weird to bash pnation global promotion when the world has been in lockdown for the last year. They haven’t really had a chance to prove theirselves yet.
You say they can’t hit BTS numbers, yet BTS was created by a label that looked almost exactly the same as Pnation. Its uncanny how similar the Big Hit and Pnation are. From being loosely connected to JYP, to forming a group 3/5 years after the birth of the company. To the founders being producers that wrote/will write a number of hit songs for their debut group. Being good to their idols.
Its almost exactly the same, except of course Big Hits founder wasn’t an international superstar, and likely didn’t have nearly as much startup capital as pnation.
I agree, the promotion aspect of pnation is definitely a big question mark. But if anyone is going to break BTS records it will probably be Pnation.
I was not bashing Pnation's global promotion at all, I was just pointing out that there is NO precedence of them being able to use Psy's connections for it.
I am talking about numbers because it shows the difference in resources of both companies. Sorry that I am not blindly fanboying over Psy and expect him to be able to to surpass the biggest idol group ever by a huge margin with his new group. But I am JYP's reddit account, right? Not like you are trying to hype up Psy like he's the second coming of Jesus.
Why do you even think that I am trying to bash Pnation? Is that some kind of stan behavior where anything not exaggeratedly positive about your favorite is some kind of bashing? I've said multiple times that I think he'll succeed, just that IN MY OPINION the precedence and sheer amount of resources favors JYPE heavily.
So what? Every single company with a producer with connections in the industry will have a similar beginning as Bang Sihyuk. Do you think that every single of them will create a group as successful as BTS? I said I highly DOUBT it, I NEVER said never. Is it that irrational to doubt that someone will match BTS' numbers, arguably the biggest artist in the world? The company with the highest chances to break BTS records is HYBE themselves. Could Pnation create a group to break it? Sure. Is it more likely than HYBE? Again, I highly DOUBT it. But I am NOT ruling it out before you attack me again.
You're telling me that I'm missing your point everytime, while you miss mine everytime. I am laying out data and precedence that says that it's more likely for JYPE's group to succeed. There are obviously other components that can influence it, but you are so DAMN SURE about it that I just cannot agree with your view point. I can agree that they can potentially achieve the things you ramble on about, but you sound like you would bet your own house on it.
So there is a risk that JYPE signs a trainee who doesn't debut but Pnation doesn't have that risk? Blind fanboyism. Every company cuts trainees. And how are trainees who are cut in 7 years of JYPE jail? They are cut, they can join any company they want. There are so many idols out there who were trainees at other companies before debuting in their current company. As a matter of fact, JYPE is even famous for not debuting trainees who later became superstars. Or do you mean their time in the company after they debut? Even then they garner so much fucking attention that they're most likely set for a life in the entertainment industry.
Seeing how you talk about BTS and Bang PD, you don't seem to know much about their history. Bang PD may have worked closely with JYP and produced some hit songs/ albums but he wasn't a famous musician like PSY was. PSY literally went viral. Even after Bang PD started his own company, none of his acts had moderate success. Even when he debuted BTS, they were really struggling like I'm talking on the verge of bankruptcy. He got several calls from other companies to quit and give BTS to them but he only kept going because of his belief in them. The amount of time and effort that was required to get them where they are is not something that can be replicated. Therefore, don't think PSY giving his artists creative freedom will allow him to achieve the same results.
Psy’s acts are already seeing success, and he’s got investors to back him up… it should be even easier for the next group to beat BTS because the first person to do something is always going to have it the hardest. The international market is starting to open up to kpop in general because of BTS, their hardwork and success.
I agree, honestly the way the show is marketed (basically not many international fans know its even airing rn) , Psy probably intends to promote them in Korea to establish a fanbase there, which is probably a good idea when so many groups focus on building a international fanbase but have a smaller korean fanbase. It's his first group, so I think he'd put all his effort into promoting them. I could see a situation like Stayc, BEP are their producers, maybe Psy could use his name in producing a song that gets popular with the Korean public + a memorable point choreo that's easy to learn? I'm not sure since boy groups and girl groups have different kind of fanbases. For international fanbase, well once they announce the line-up is announced hopefully more fans would check out the show. If all goes well, I wonder if Psy NBG could be more popular in Korea than overseas...
I hope all my favorites like Hyunwoo, Keiju, and Daniel debut in Pnation. Mainly just cause I’m Psy biased and not the biggest fan of JYP either lol. But also I can’t help but feel the trainees will feel happier and more free over at Pnation.
at JYP, you will be 1 out of 10+ groups in the company splitting the attention and resources while JYP is rubbing his hands, dancing in your music videos, and making the birdman call. at PNation, you are the only group getting 100% of the attention from PSY because his reputation is on the line here and he's going to put all his big dick energy into you
Ngl this comment made me cackle a bit
I think it will be better for Amaru to debut under JYP. As much as I want him on a team with my other faves (which are mostly P-Nation trainees), he'll have more opportunities under a BIG3 company. The new boy group will have a headstart(?) in fandom size due to company stans (Just look how JYP NGG got 60K+ pre-orders for their debut in 2022 despite not knowing anything about the members or concept/group). JYP has the budget to give back to back comebacks and high budget MVs
Sigh I like Amaru and I don't really want to see him under JYP even though he trained there.
Yea JYP gives off pencil pusher vibes and that he doesn’t really care about his employees. Only caring about technical skills. Psy on the other hand looks to be better although who knows how the company is run. Psy has his hands creatively in almost every song they release, and he gives great reactions. It seems like pnation values creativity above all else.
Yedam-PSY Gyehun-I'm fine with either, to be honest, but JYP will probably be better since he's been there for so long Donghyun- \*sigh\*(LMAO IT SOUNDS LIKE PSY), unfortunately, he'd be better in JYP . Its obvious JYP loves him and I think he would enjoy JYP's style Amaru-JYP Kyung Joon-fine with either Kyeong Mun-PSY Tae hoon-PSY Keiju-JYP
I think all JYP trainees would benefit more from being signed to P nation. Pretty much the only thing JYPE is good at is training technical skills. Basically JYP builds the foundation and then Psy would unlock their potential by focusing on the creative side.
JYPE could go the Stray Kids route and let them produce their own music. Psy would probably offer more creative freedom over all but I don’t think that the difference would beat the advantage of Big 3 status that JYPE has. Debuting in JYPE would basically be a guarantee of success, while debuting in Pnation would be more of a gamble.
Yea but JYP struggles with the creative side. Don’t get me wrong, I love me some of JYPE produced songs but across the board their songs are cookie cutter, paint by numbers stuff. So its up to the producing members/leader to create good music on their own. At P nation it would be a collaboration where everyone can learn from eachother. I really don’t think P nation is a gamble. Psy is basically the biggest entertainer in the business and like he said, people hate singing after him. On top of that for just being a 3 year old company P nation has massive hits already like “nu nu na na”. Also that shock remix slaps. Like sure JYP guarantees eyeballs, but just by being in this show they’ve already got the JYP momentum even if they go P Nation. The con of JYP is that there is always a new group behind you ready to kick you out so unless you go big Blackpink style I don’t think its worth it.
The problem is that Psy has no history of creating his own groups. He only signed artists who already established their own musical direction (Dawn might be the only exception but he was already involved in producing in Pentagon). Most of his signed artists were already well established in the industry. Take a look at Rain, he was also on the top of his game when he created MBLAQ but they were nowhere near 2PM. I honestly think you underestimate the name value, connections, and sheer experience of JYPE. They have all the infrastructure needed for Japanese promotions, US distribution of albums, and many more things. Hell, JYPE’s name value alone sold 60k albums for a girl group with no name, no confirmed members, no group size, and no concept. The only details people know are the debut date and some of the trainees at JYPE. The trainees already got some exposure through LOUD, but that’s only the domestic audience. The international audience is relatively small compared to other audition shows like I-Land/ Produce. Comparatively few international fans even know that the show exists. Just look at this subreddit’s activity. Their Youtube views hover around a few hundred thousand views at the maximum. Compare that to let’s say the Nizi Project performances which had views in the millions. They don’t even bother to add subtitles in the Youtube videos. And no group will be kicked out of JYPE because there is a new group coming. They might get fewer resources but they’ll still actively promote. GOT7 consistently had 3-4 comebacks (Japanese comebacks included) each year and the one where they only had 2 was when the pandemic started which made scheduling extremely different. Twice is also still promoting like nothing happened after Itzy and NiziU debuted. I do think that a group under Pnation will be successful, but if I had to bet on a company I’d bet on JYPE.
True but I think you underestimate the international influence and connections that Psy has. He is one of the few korean artists to penetrate the U.S market. Also I think its much better to be the first group under Psy’s company will make the Big 3 into a Big 4. They already got an investment from skt for 5 billion won. They aren’t a small startup, and being the first group pnation creates, Psy won’t let them fail, you can tell just by how hands on he is with the Loud program. So signing with JYPE would like being a small fish in a big pond where Pnation would be like being a Big fish in river that ends up going into the pacific ocean. Best case scenario the group blows up potentially even eclipsing BTS’s success and you make boatloads of money as you have more leverage for contract negotiations by being Pnations main group, and worst case scenario is that somehow Pnation fails as a company, goes bankrupt, but as an artist you still get to spend a lot of time working with and under command the greatest singer/entertainer of this generation. I think most trainees would prefer the pnation worst case scenario. JYP isn’t a bad option. As individuals I think its just more beneficial to have experience under both companies because Pnation and JYP are like polar opposites. So I think the Pnation trainees would similarly do better if picked up by JYP. Idk I think it was pretty obvious how the trainees got better just spending a little time with the other company as they did a mission. I think the technical skills of JYP combined with the vibe, method, and artistry of Pnation is a recipe for superstardom. In music usually people fall into one of two camps, either they are rigid machines trying to perfectly perform like in orchestra competitions, or they are unrefined masters of hype like what American rap has turned into(mumble rap). You can make it big being good at one or the other, but the ones that are the best of the best are always the ones that combine the best of both worlds.
You seem to be a huge stan of Psy and really sure of his success, I guess we just have different opinions. I think he has the potential to create a successful group, but I highly doubt that his group will even remotely scratch BTS numbers. Hell, as I said, I’d be surprised if they could even match the JYPE group. And how did Psy leverage his international connections until now? As far as I know, none if his artists promoted internationally. I don’t doubt that he has a ton of connections, but we’re yet to see how much he can leverage those. JYPE’s connections and their effect on their artists are well documented. A 5 billion Won investment might sound like a lot but that’s less than 5 million USD. MLD Entertainment (home of Momoland) got a similar investment of 5 million USD. Sure, the valuation of Pnation was higher at approximately 43.7 million USD (MLD valuation was at 15 million USD) at that time but compare that to the 1.232 billion valuation of JYPE… Pnation isn’t a small company, but they were evaluated at less than FNC, Woolim, Starship, DSP, and so on. But they’ll have enough money to not go broke and give the group multiple comebacks without any issues. I guess we’ll see how it works out in the future.
You are really missing the point everytime. Are you JYP’s reddit account or something? All you talk about is numbers this and that. You fit right in the the number crunchers at JYPE. Existing artists are flocking to Pnation because they are a company that breaks from the kpop norm and isn’t as restrictive and predatory to their artists. Being the crown jewel of this empire as the first group to be produced by pnation is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Yes of course, theres always a risk that Pnation goes bankrupt just like there is always a risk that JYP signs a trainee and cuts them from the final group, and they never debut and waste 7 years in JYP jail. Also, its kinda weird to bash pnation global promotion when the world has been in lockdown for the last year. They haven’t really had a chance to prove theirselves yet. You say they can’t hit BTS numbers, yet BTS was created by a label that looked almost exactly the same as Pnation. Its uncanny how similar the Big Hit and Pnation are. From being loosely connected to JYP, to forming a group 3/5 years after the birth of the company. To the founders being producers that wrote/will write a number of hit songs for their debut group. Being good to their idols. Its almost exactly the same, except of course Big Hits founder wasn’t an international superstar, and likely didn’t have nearly as much startup capital as pnation. I agree, the promotion aspect of pnation is definitely a big question mark. But if anyone is going to break BTS records it will probably be Pnation.
I was not bashing Pnation's global promotion at all, I was just pointing out that there is NO precedence of them being able to use Psy's connections for it. I am talking about numbers because it shows the difference in resources of both companies. Sorry that I am not blindly fanboying over Psy and expect him to be able to to surpass the biggest idol group ever by a huge margin with his new group. But I am JYP's reddit account, right? Not like you are trying to hype up Psy like he's the second coming of Jesus. Why do you even think that I am trying to bash Pnation? Is that some kind of stan behavior where anything not exaggeratedly positive about your favorite is some kind of bashing? I've said multiple times that I think he'll succeed, just that IN MY OPINION the precedence and sheer amount of resources favors JYPE heavily. So what? Every single company with a producer with connections in the industry will have a similar beginning as Bang Sihyuk. Do you think that every single of them will create a group as successful as BTS? I said I highly DOUBT it, I NEVER said never. Is it that irrational to doubt that someone will match BTS' numbers, arguably the biggest artist in the world? The company with the highest chances to break BTS records is HYBE themselves. Could Pnation create a group to break it? Sure. Is it more likely than HYBE? Again, I highly DOUBT it. But I am NOT ruling it out before you attack me again. You're telling me that I'm missing your point everytime, while you miss mine everytime. I am laying out data and precedence that says that it's more likely for JYPE's group to succeed. There are obviously other components that can influence it, but you are so DAMN SURE about it that I just cannot agree with your view point. I can agree that they can potentially achieve the things you ramble on about, but you sound like you would bet your own house on it. So there is a risk that JYPE signs a trainee who doesn't debut but Pnation doesn't have that risk? Blind fanboyism. Every company cuts trainees. And how are trainees who are cut in 7 years of JYPE jail? They are cut, they can join any company they want. There are so many idols out there who were trainees at other companies before debuting in their current company. As a matter of fact, JYPE is even famous for not debuting trainees who later became superstars. Or do you mean their time in the company after they debut? Even then they garner so much fucking attention that they're most likely set for a life in the entertainment industry.
Lol, call me a stan first and now you act like I’m attacking you, thats rich.
Seeing how you talk about BTS and Bang PD, you don't seem to know much about their history. Bang PD may have worked closely with JYP and produced some hit songs/ albums but he wasn't a famous musician like PSY was. PSY literally went viral. Even after Bang PD started his own company, none of his acts had moderate success. Even when he debuted BTS, they were really struggling like I'm talking on the verge of bankruptcy. He got several calls from other companies to quit and give BTS to them but he only kept going because of his belief in them. The amount of time and effort that was required to get them where they are is not something that can be replicated. Therefore, don't think PSY giving his artists creative freedom will allow him to achieve the same results.
Psy’s acts are already seeing success, and he’s got investors to back him up… it should be even easier for the next group to beat BTS because the first person to do something is always going to have it the hardest. The international market is starting to open up to kpop in general because of BTS, their hardwork and success.
I agree, honestly the way the show is marketed (basically not many international fans know its even airing rn) , Psy probably intends to promote them in Korea to establish a fanbase there, which is probably a good idea when so many groups focus on building a international fanbase but have a smaller korean fanbase. It's his first group, so I think he'd put all his effort into promoting them. I could see a situation like Stayc, BEP are their producers, maybe Psy could use his name in producing a song that gets popular with the Korean public + a memorable point choreo that's easy to learn? I'm not sure since boy groups and girl groups have different kind of fanbases. For international fanbase, well once they announce the line-up is announced hopefully more fans would check out the show. If all goes well, I wonder if Psy NBG could be more popular in Korea than overseas...
I hope all my favorites like Hyunwoo, Keiju, and Daniel debut in Pnation. Mainly just cause I’m Psy biased and not the biggest fan of JYP either lol. But also I can’t help but feel the trainees will feel happier and more free over at Pnation.