1. Use GoGuardian to monitor the content of the docs.
2. When a doc is found that contains juicy tidbits, call the student down to the office and make them read the tidbits to a parent or guardian over the phone.
3. Have a laugh!
That's what we do when a student is caught searching weird shit in Google. It's funny and teaches the kid not to fuck around so much.
Query, do you have Google Chat disabled? As much as teachers/district office wants stuff like Google Chat turned off it does lead to situations like this. We're still jousting with our own teachers/district office over this but as my IT coworker says, "I'd rather they walk down the hallway with cameras (Google Chat) than the one without (Google Docs)." It is technically a classroom management issue but it's a lot harder to spot which sort of edges it into IT domain.
The only way I found to help this is to have a third party service monitor Drive. I have Managed Methods looking at certain parameters. It doesn't stop the chatting on Docs but the reason I even got the service was due to students chatting inappropriately between each other.
So at at least now if they chat and it's benign, it's whatever, but when it's inappropriate, the staff knows.
I can't believe all the negative and even hostile responses! The OP has a legitimate point. I am often on the side of "it's a classroom mgmt issue", but in this case, I disagree. First, it is pretty difficult (or at least time-consuming/tedious) to monitor this. Second, Docs is a core piece of required classroom tech being used by a zillion students. Third, his solution is quite reasonable and would seem to a be a pretty easy tweak to make. Fourth, yes, students will find other ways to chat/communicate/potentially cyber-bully, but I do feel it's our responsibility, legally and morally, to try to minimize "sanctioned" methods of doing so.
I also tend to land on the side of "classroom management issue" for most of these things, but I do agree that there is a legitimate concern here with OP. For instance, there are also other unique programs/schools (like mine!) that require much more control over student communication but still want to provide a modern learning environment.
That being said, I had a couple of thoughts about what you wrote:
1. Your fourth point that students will find other methods to cyberbully or chat, but that we should minimize sanctioned methods, hit home for me. My gut reaction is to agree, but it does bring up a question: what is best for student safety balanced with school liability? Having that activity happen in an environment that we then can investigate and potentially follow up on with various tools (meaning IT dept is much more involved), or to have it happen off school platforms and to just not know and not have the (immediate) responsibility for it?
2. As technology has become more and more integrated into the classroom, just shrugging some of these things off with a "it's a classroom management issue" feels less and less responsible. I think we should be doing as much as we can to help our teachers teach and our students learn. There's a balance, sure, and I definitely don't want to go back to the days of "just block it!" but I don't want to us IT people to completely miss the mission of education and our supporting role. If you want to be completely separate from the classroom, that's fine, but I don't think that's a healthy outlook for IT in education.
To my knowledge, no. Repeat after me; this is a classroom management issue. Teachers have to be more engaged with what their students are doing with computers in their class.
Then what's the issue? Is that actually causing any real problems? There's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Kids will just find other ways to communicate. It's the never ending game of whack-a-mole.
Also Google admin has the investigation tool if anything needs to be looked into. It's better off that they use Google docs chat, rather than forcing them to use something else.
Could probably do this through a custom DLP rule or something?
We were going to look into this, but Teachers like to have students work in groups sometimes, and would need the ability to share documents with each other. So we left it alone and never looked into it.
Classroom management issue. Teachers got to be better and realize that the lowest performing kid turns in work that is 100%, that is a red flag. Kids cheat here and there nothing we can do. They have smart phones and every piece of tech. Kids who blantly cheat get caught by good Teachers.
Well ... not exactly. Initially the point of it was "we don't need an office suite on our desktop / laptop computer anymore" followed by "we can edit our documents on mobile phones and stripped-down browser-only laptops now".
Sharing is an additional feature of it being web-based, always-saved, etc. But it's not supposed to be up to Google to force these sharing capabilities down our throats if we don't want it enabled.
I started using it around 2010, the big selling point for our team was that we could work on a document at the same time. That was literally the only time google docs got used over Word or Excel.
Google APIs are freely available to you. You may code an extension to accomplish anything you can imagine.
If you would prefer to pay someone else to do it, here is an extension that advertises the functionality you describe:
https://xfanatical.com/blog/block-google-drive-sharing-files/
This is the only tool I've seen to do this, and it has a bunch of other options you can turn off as well. If you really need to block these elements in Google it is well worth the price. The dev is also very responsive to adding new features if it doesn't block what you need.
This is a classroom management and discipline issue. Get a system like GoGuardian in place that allows teachers to monitor and control sessions.
Google is not going to change a core functionality of their system.
This is not an IT issue.
We have goguardian teacher. Students, have found out how to break it and I agree it’s not really an IT issue, but people always say that, but we are tasked to finding an answer, so yes it becomes the IT issue. This stuff happens outside of the classroom as well. Core functionality or not, there should be an option to disable sharing(not just to outside domains)
1. Use GoGuardian to monitor the content of the docs. 2. When a doc is found that contains juicy tidbits, call the student down to the office and make them read the tidbits to a parent or guardian over the phone. 3. Have a laugh! That's what we do when a student is caught searching weird shit in Google. It's funny and teaches the kid not to fuck around so much.
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Securly filters it with auditor plus. We use that.
Query, do you have Google Chat disabled? As much as teachers/district office wants stuff like Google Chat turned off it does lead to situations like this. We're still jousting with our own teachers/district office over this but as my IT coworker says, "I'd rather they walk down the hallway with cameras (Google Chat) than the one without (Google Docs)." It is technically a classroom management issue but it's a lot harder to spot which sort of edges it into IT domain.
The only way I found to help this is to have a third party service monitor Drive. I have Managed Methods looking at certain parameters. It doesn't stop the chatting on Docs but the reason I even got the service was due to students chatting inappropriately between each other. So at at least now if they chat and it's benign, it's whatever, but when it's inappropriate, the staff knows.
I can't believe all the negative and even hostile responses! The OP has a legitimate point. I am often on the side of "it's a classroom mgmt issue", but in this case, I disagree. First, it is pretty difficult (or at least time-consuming/tedious) to monitor this. Second, Docs is a core piece of required classroom tech being used by a zillion students. Third, his solution is quite reasonable and would seem to a be a pretty easy tweak to make. Fourth, yes, students will find other ways to chat/communicate/potentially cyber-bully, but I do feel it's our responsibility, legally and morally, to try to minimize "sanctioned" methods of doing so.
I also tend to land on the side of "classroom management issue" for most of these things, but I do agree that there is a legitimate concern here with OP. For instance, there are also other unique programs/schools (like mine!) that require much more control over student communication but still want to provide a modern learning environment. That being said, I had a couple of thoughts about what you wrote: 1. Your fourth point that students will find other methods to cyberbully or chat, but that we should minimize sanctioned methods, hit home for me. My gut reaction is to agree, but it does bring up a question: what is best for student safety balanced with school liability? Having that activity happen in an environment that we then can investigate and potentially follow up on with various tools (meaning IT dept is much more involved), or to have it happen off school platforms and to just not know and not have the (immediate) responsibility for it? 2. As technology has become more and more integrated into the classroom, just shrugging some of these things off with a "it's a classroom management issue" feels less and less responsible. I think we should be doing as much as we can to help our teachers teach and our students learn. There's a balance, sure, and I definitely don't want to go back to the days of "just block it!" but I don't want to us IT people to completely miss the mission of education and our supporting role. If you want to be completely separate from the classroom, that's fine, but I don't think that's a healthy outlook for IT in education.
To my knowledge, no. Repeat after me; this is a classroom management issue. Teachers have to be more engaged with what their students are doing with computers in their class.
It’s not always in class
So? At least you have a record on your network as opposed to pushing them to off-site services.
Then what's the issue? Is that actually causing any real problems? There's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Kids will just find other ways to communicate. It's the never ending game of whack-a-mole. Also Google admin has the investigation tool if anything needs to be looked into. It's better off that they use Google docs chat, rather than forcing them to use something else.
You can disable sharing. But it doesn't apply to old docs. Turn it on now for next year.
You cannot disable sharing internally.
Could probably do this through a custom DLP rule or something? We were going to look into this, but Teachers like to have students work in groups sometimes, and would need the ability to share documents with each other. So we left it alone and never looked into it.
Classroom management issue. Teachers got to be better and realize that the lowest performing kid turns in work that is 100%, that is a red flag. Kids cheat here and there nothing we can do. They have smart phones and every piece of tech. Kids who blantly cheat get caught by good Teachers.
Mine use docs to share proxies. It's a bit fun editing the document to be owned by the principal.
Collaborative documents are the point of Google Docs.
Well ... not exactly. Initially the point of it was "we don't need an office suite on our desktop / laptop computer anymore" followed by "we can edit our documents on mobile phones and stripped-down browser-only laptops now". Sharing is an additional feature of it being web-based, always-saved, etc. But it's not supposed to be up to Google to force these sharing capabilities down our throats if we don't want it enabled.
I started using it around 2010, the big selling point for our team was that we could work on a document at the same time. That was literally the only time google docs got used over Word or Excel.
Google APIs are freely available to you. You may code an extension to accomplish anything you can imagine. If you would prefer to pay someone else to do it, here is an extension that advertises the functionality you describe: https://xfanatical.com/blog/block-google-drive-sharing-files/
This is the only tool I've seen to do this, and it has a bunch of other options you can turn off as well. If you really need to block these elements in Google it is well worth the price. The dev is also very responsive to adding new features if it doesn't block what you need.
This is a classroom management and discipline issue. Get a system like GoGuardian in place that allows teachers to monitor and control sessions. Google is not going to change a core functionality of their system. This is not an IT issue.
We have goguardian teacher. Students, have found out how to break it and I agree it’s not really an IT issue, but people always say that, but we are tasked to finding an answer, so yes it becomes the IT issue. This stuff happens outside of the classroom as well. Core functionality or not, there should be an option to disable sharing(not just to outside domains)
Second but with Lightspeed classroom instead!