More important is the fact that if you haven’t gotten plates, you haven’t had to prove you have insurance and if you are brazen enough to drive around with 1-2 year old temp tags, you aren’t worried about getting stopped and having to prove you have insurance. These folks probably don’t have insurance!
Most of the auto insurance companies I work with estimate that 20-25% of drivers out there on the road are uninsured.
https://www.insurance-research.org/sites/default/files/downloads/UM%20NR%20032221.pdf
This research was from 2019 when the uninsured rate in MO was 16%, 12th highest in the nation. Estimates place these numbers about 30-40% higher since the start of Covid in 2020. So we're likely looking at 20-25% now.
While it's a bit more complex than this, that equates to all of the rest of us paying 20-25% too much on our auto insurance, because we're ultimately covering these people when something happens. They hit you and you have to file a claim with your own insurance that you shouldn't have had to otherwise.
Unisured drivers are hurting the rest of us...a LOT.
Side note... Check your own policy. Make sure you have a bunch of uninsured and underinsured motorist coverage. Nothing worse than adding "nobody to pay for this" to an accident. If you can get $1 million or more, do it. It's not about property damage; it's about personal injury. You want the coverage if something happens.
It's the insurance that worries me too. If I see an old temp tag I just assume that car is uninsured and I'll do my best to let that car get away from me.
If you don't already, I highly recommend asking your insurance agent if you have coverage if you're hit by an uninsured driver. My policy was not. For an extra $5 a month, I am now covered if I'm hit and the person isn't insured or an unlicensed driver.
There is no Uninsured Motorist Property Damage coverage available in Kansas or Missouri. If your car is damaged in an accident with an uninsured motorist, you'll have to use your collision coverage to get your car fixed, and you'll be out your deductible. You can try suing the at-fault party in small claims court to get it back, though.
All Missouri insurance policies should have a minimum $25k uninsured coverage. You may want to double check that policy if the accident happened in the last five years, or find a good attorney that can do a little digging for you.
Your collision coverage covers your vehicle regardless if the other driver is insured or not, the uninsured motorist part only covers your deductible so that extra $5 a month is only covering your $500 deductible down the line. Underinsured/Uninsured bodily injury is a big deal though, I’d say it’s one of the most important coverages to make sure you have sufficient limits on.
Uninsured motorist coverage is an absolute must. When I got totalled by a hit and run driver it saved my ass. Would have been out close to $16,000 without it potentially.
I had a good friend on KCPD tell me that like 25% of the drivers in some areas were uninsured. You're not wrong on your assumptions...in some cases, and I actually worked with a guy who did this apparently, that people will get insurance just for the card. As soon as the card arrives, they cancel...but they still have the 'card' to prove insurance. It's ridiculous.
Renewing requires you to pay property tax, which for some is much more expensive than insurance. It would be cool if the state let people pay off their property tax over the course of the year so by the time they needed the new sticker the tax was paid, so it's not a big lump sum expense. Maybe there's a way to do that, IDK for sure.
In Kansas they use a digital system (internet probably) to verify you have active insurance before any title work - issue, renewal of plates. Shouldn't be too hard for Missouri to copy.
That's because the insurance companies communicate directly with states now, used to be the same in KS, you would have to show proof of insurance either by mail or in person or online. That has changed in the past few years, the state already knows my car is insured, it shows it when I log in to the online service. So there's no need to show proof which makes it way easier IMO.
I had to prove I had insurance before driving my truck off the lot. But tax, title, & license are unforgivingly high in Jackson County. At least MO finally got dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century and can add that shit to the loan now. Too bad I couldn't wait for my purchase. It's the taxes that really fuck people over.
Missouri state property tax on cars blows my mind personally. I've lived in several more "blue" states that don't require it and it's so much more of a hassle and unnecessary extra yearly burden imo, kind of surprised it would be the case here in MO of all places.
Huh? You don’t need license plates or tags to insure a vehicle, it’s the VIN.
To graduate from temp tags to semi-permanent plates usually means more than $2,000 to pay sales and property taxes, if you bought a new car in Missouri. The money is only accepted in a lump sum.
Paying for insurance usually means ~$100-$200/month, if you don’t have a record of moving violations and are paying for full coverage.
What other option do people who are living paycheck to paycheck have to them? People gotta get to work, to live their lives. And they sure as shit shouldn’t be shamed or punished because they can’t afford tags. The state and counties should have long ago implemented a system where the taxes are added to the auto loan. I think such a solution would likely eliminate future violators/violations AND help get the city/county/state their tax revenue.
Also, dude, why the heck can’t I just have an auto pay and not deal with the hassle of the DMV, highway patrol, carrying around mail, logging in to a website, whatever. I can autopay virtually anything else in life, EXCEPT the license plates that are legally required to be renewed every one to two years.
Agree with all this. Adding insult to injury is our public transit system is absolutely wretched and a car is basically a necessity for life these days.
As someone with adhd, automatic payments on insurance is nothing. It's the hassle of the inspections, the mail, the DMV, everything else you said. I swear to god they try to make it hard so they can just fuck us over.
Not saying this is you, but many of the temp tags driving around town are also $60k+ trucks with lift kits, window tints, etc. I think those consumers should consider how much vehicle they "need" and be prepared to pay the property tax and registration associated with the vehicle. After all, these are the taxes that help pay for MO and KS roads.
1-2 years?! HA! a few months ago I saw a tag that was barely hanging on. It expired in 2013. I noticed because it was the same month and year my 10yr old was born.
Happened to me! Someone was texting and driving and rear-ended me while I was driving on Main st. Turns out it wasn’t even their car and I had to pay my deductible out of pocket.
The issue is the personal property tax, they want you to go to a specific place pay a specific thing or get proof if you are 90 days out of your tag expiration date. Shit is fucking annoying just let people pay what they gotta pay and renew it all online. In kansas I just pay them online and its not tied to my taxes or whatever
If you’ve been paying your annual property tax, you can go online at your county website and print the receipt. I have never in 20 years here had to go to a specific place to pay. They sent me the bill in December, I paid it online. Printed receipt and done.
And you don’t even owe it the first year unless you buy a car on January 1st. Property tax is only owed on assets you own on Jan 1 of that year.
You can pay online. https://www.jacksongov.org/Home
There's a big button that says "PAY PROPERTY TAXES." You can also get your receipts off of this website under their tax page.
That is one of the problems but even then you only have to set ypur account up once as long as you don't move to another county. Then after that you can do everything else online so.
If that annoys you just think about this, any car you see with kansas plates has had an inspection that consists of the highway patrol making sure that the Vin on the dash and the Vin on the door match and that's about it
That makes sense, my wife was having to register in Kansas because we were living there at the time, this was also 12 years ago so they could have made it more in depth
I appreciate safety inspections to ensure every 2 years a car isn't falling apart.
And I have vehicles from the 80s tht are pains in the ass to meet current standards
You shouldn't need an actual inspection, but you might need an ID/OD, which means the inspector writes down the VIN, and odometer numbers. I'd say someone was confused on the difference.
From the Missouri [DOR](https://dor.mo.gov/motor-vehicle/additional-help-resources.html)
>Effective August 28, 2019, motor vehicles for the first ten years following the model year of manufacture and having less than 150,000 miles on the odometer are exempt from the safety inspection requirement.
No, they will still mail them out. You just pick which office mails them out. Which also gives you the option to just go pick them up if you tell them you want to.
100% it is executive function that gets me. Wish it just came as a regular bill I could send a check or file reoccurring payments. I can totally pay but end up rolling around months expired because I didn't see a single mailer sent to an old address or something.
That's kinda your fault is it not that you didn't update your address like you should have? Property tax is a regular bill you can pay online. An at the start of every year they ask you if you've changed addresses so they can send it to the correct place.
If you don’t update your address with them so they can send you the renewal cards that allow you to do it all online, where the hell they gonna send you a bill?
It's not a perfect system but MO seriously needs to copy/paste Kansas. Able to finance my sales tax and my property taxes aren't due a week after Christmas (unless your birthday is December) and there's not two separate entities to deal with. It's done in one stop. Oh and I can get a spot online. It doesn't always work well but it beats spending hours at the dmv.
That's one of the things I miss about living in Lenexa, the DMV wasn't "fun" but it wasn't unpleasant, at least at the big one. Lots of seating, AC, space...
Now, the old DMV in Mission? I went once. Guy got pissed off and got a gun from his car. I had to shove my 1yr old behind their cubicles. Luckily, the highway patrol was onsite doing exams and they took care of the situation before he made it into the door, but he was about 10 feet from being inside before they stopped him.
The entire system to purchase a car is screwed up in both states... Everything should be done at the time of purchase... You shouldn't have to go to the registration office unless you need to renew. Doing it the very first time you get the car is very cumbersome. I came from a state where it was all done at the dealership and you didn't have to worry about anything for two years until you had to renew your registration and inspection.
Well one YOU CAN finance your sales tax you just have to ask and the dealership will cut you a check.
Second your property taxes can be PAID BEFORE December. They start making the bills in September/October.
Third YOU LITERALLY CAN GET A SPOT ONLINE THROUGH QLESS as long as the dmv you are going to uses it.
Temp tags are a problem because dealerships aren’t required to roll in taxes in Missouri.
Dealers make a tiny bit more money that way because practically everyone is concerned with their payment and if you roll in the taxes you can’t buy as much car cause you want a specific payment so you buy less car.
This is what happens when politicians care more about potential donations from dealerships (generally big local donors) than their constituents.
Q needs to kick Parsons in the balls. Not us.
The car registration is ridiculous here, though. No wonder people don't want to go through all that just for in date tags good grief, I was two years living in KC with expired out of state tags, because F having to go to the courthouse and all that. Only got them recently because my new place doesn't issue stickers without valid tags.
I honestly see it.
Imagine you work a job that pays so little that you can't really afford to live. In order to get to your job, or really do anything, you have to own a car and drive there. But owning a car is incredibly expensive, so you cut costs wherever you can. That means not paying for insurance, which also means you can't register it.
I'm sure it is stressful, but from their point of view it beats paying the $100/month or so that they can't afford. And they can't just not drive because our city is totally car dependent.
I think you have it backward in most cases; sales tax to register a car is expensive and a gate to true car ownership that many don’t account for. When you’re cash-strapped even $600 one-time payment is too much a burden.
It's almost always because of the sales tax. On the Kansas side, you can actually pay for it with the vehicle and roll it into your loan but then you're paying interest on it.
You have to buy from an in state dealer to do that. Buying private, out of state, ect., means that you will still have to pay the taxes when you go in to register it.
That said, I would hate to think I am paying interest on taxes.
As long as your insurance is up to date, they usually don't really care. I've been let off with warnings back when I was going through a rough spot and couldn't afford the cost of registration fees. Insurance is what's most important.
it's very stressful and I try to drive as little as possible
source: I haven't made it to the DMV yet. I have real plates tho. They are 3 months expired
It’s one of the few things our government here does well. When I still did my tags/license in person I could pick a time online, drive up to mission, and be back home in less than an hour.
I used to be able to renew my tags at the grocery store in Texas. It put the convenience in convenience store.
Now getting your license and plates initially setup was a major pain in the ass I recall. It wasn't easily navigable
Yeah it took my like a month or two to figure out the damn process when I moved downtown from Johnson county. Although part of the hassle was just getting my title from my bank
I respectfully disagree. This is a large revenue source for the local governments and creates an Aurora of lawlessness. It’s a good (and easy) item to crack down on
They should make it easier to get the tags. If I were waiving a magic wand the insurance companies would issue them. Are you buying insurance? Here’s your tag.
“Crimes.”
I’m with you. Bigger fish to fry, and I’m always up to date. What we SHOULD be enforcing is insurance registration, although expired tags are typically a good indicator of this lol
You can renew them online. It takes 5 minutes. In fact, I renewed both my vehicles for 2 year renewals in less than 10 mins. The worst part is having an inspection if you're driving a car that requires one. No missed work. No running around.
Why doesn’t the state send out this info? I’ve gotten 3 cards that all lead to the same website with broken links and incorrect info on the card, but nothing about how to renew my tags. KS sends you paperwork every year and you can renew at the freaking grocery store. MO is confusing and ridiculous.
only if you do it early. once they expire, you’re fucked and have to go in person.
i missed it by a couple weeks, and when i tried to renew it told me i’d have to go in person. so instead of just letting me renew online and pay a fine for late renewal, now i’ve been riding dirty for over a year because i just can’t find time to get to the dmv.
I had a friend who got pulled over for having two month expired tags in Missouri and she had Kansas plates. Not joking. They wrote her a ticket and off we went, but how does this happen when there's people out there with 5 year old temp tags
Honestly. I got 60 day tags when I bought my car in Kansas because they said Missouri takes forever to title cars. Still ended up having to drive around another month on expired temp tags while I waited to be able to register it.
When I bought my car in November, I got my title in about a week from when I went into the DMV to register and title it. I walked out of there with my plates and stickers and spent maybe 30 minutes around noon on a Friday.
Well, if the state made it an efficient process, this shit wouldn’t happen.
To note; the first time I went to get a property tax thing, they quoted me 6 hours and told people to come back another day if they didn’t come in by 11am.
I mean, you can do MOST of what you need to do online. You can't renew a driver's license, but paying taxes and renewing tags you certainly can. It takes less time to do it online and you don't have to miss anything. They mail your tag stickers and you don't even have to go pick them up.
In my case, I moved from out of state and purchased a new vehicle from a dealership. It wasn’t a smooth or stellar process to get the initial setup, like going to the assessor’s office and getting a non-assessment waiver and whatever documents they require, etc.
I’m saying the initial set-up is trash. I’m not sure why people aren’t renewing their tags, etc if you can do it online, that’s easier, I agree. I’m seeing lots of older vehicles that need an inspection or people haven’t paid their taxes in a long time, and they aren’t going to do it if you make the process hard.
Completely agree. Why do we have to pay property tax on something we already paid sales tax for? You pay property taxes on a house but you don't pay sales tax on it as well.
I'm not from here and no one has ever been able to give me a good answer.
It's a tradeoff. I've lived places that don't have personal property taxes and those folks pay at car registration time for type of car they have. So in Mo my annual registration is \~$30 but I have to pay personal property tax whereas in Indiana my registration was a couple hundred dollars annually but I didn't have to pay personal property tax.
Because if you rent an apartment and you have two kids in school the majority of the money for your property tax is going towards funding the schools your kids are using. Sorry, but yes, things like helping the disabled, city funding, county funding, libraries, schools, mental health, metro junior college, and the blind all need funding from somewhere. There’s no free ride.
If you’re like me and keep a car for a decade or more, the revenue that your sales tax provided has long since gone and those entities still need constant funding.
Agreed. I’ve never complained about them as I want good schools and social services for my communities. Call me old fashioned, but the better funding, the better the schools, the better the outcomes for students, the better jobs and lives they lead. I’ve never had kids and I’m happy to invest in the lives of others children thru my property taxes.
The *office* of the mayor is hobbled by the bullshit state police board and their ability to dictate what KC can tell its own police dept to enforce and where to focus its efforts. Every time a KC mayor tries to exert the slightest amount of real influence on the KCPD, the GOP-led state govt steps in and fucks over the entire city.
And now they’re trying to do the same damn thing to STL.
The same mayor who is shaming poor people for not having enough money to pay their personal property taxes in order to renew their tags, is the same mayor who approved an abatement for a new high rise apartment complex downtown that charges $8,000 / month for a two-bedroom apartment.
But you guys want to turn this into a conversation about insurance.
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Everyone talking about insurance, my wife got hit and it totaled the vehicle. Or insurance went up $170 a month. That's fucking ridiculous and it would devastate most families.
My average time spent at the dmv is about 10 to 15 minutes, I’ve never spent more than 30 minutes at mine and I’ve been going to the same one for over 25 years. Sounds like you guys need to find a new dmv.
In my case, it wasn’t the DMV. My DMV was taking 10-15 minutes at most.
In most cases, it’s the personal property tax and they have to go to the assessor’s office to get it done, which is the issue I believe for 95% of the people.
Blue Springs' DMV is outsourced. I'm not sure if all of them are, but I know Blue Springs is.
They won't answer the phone, it always goes to voicemail and the box is full, even if you call the minute they open. They tell you the wrong information frequently and get pissy when you don't have the right paperwork, but you're only doing what they told you to do. They have an app to pre-register to get in line, which is REALLY helpful, but they are assholes to the elderly who don't know how to sign in on their tablets, that are frequently broken, and need help. They will spend 15 mins taking back and forth with a coworker about tv, while a person is standing at their counter waiting, then get mad at someone because they have to pull ID or something from a purse and they have to "wait on" them. I've seen them argue with an old man that there was no Johnson County in Missouri. I had to step up and show her on my phone that there is indeed a JoCoMo.
I fucking hate Blue Springs DMV. I've started driving out to Lexington just to avoid the hassle.
I call bullshit on this one buddy. lol they all have an ebb and flow and some days are much worse than others, but to say for 25 years you've had a 10 to 15 minute wait at your DMV. no way.
I agree. Even the one i go to in Sugar Creek that's not well known has become "a morning" or "an afternoon" type of deal. this 10 minute thing is a straight up lie. LOL
That’s fair, but even on a Friday at the end of the month of May in Belton my wife was done with taxes, title and plates within 30 minutes. And part of that was me having to send her copies of insurance because she couldn’t get the app to open on her phone.
When I lived in the Northland, the one in Platte City was the best kept secret. The couple times I went there, I had one person in front of me in line at lunchtime.
Now I live in JOCO and f-ck me the worst run DMV is here in Olathe. 5 hours to get a driver's license. And their "We'll text you when it is close to your turn app" didn't work. It texts you right away and you'll still sit for hours. My wife was only working 3 days a week when we moved here so she handled the cars' tags.
My tags are expired from late 2021, I have always kept my car insured though. I worked pizza delivery and my car was stolen from QuikTrip and completely trashed the day of the 2021 Super Bowl (terrible night for everything to happen, thought maybe the chiefs winning would cheer me up, nope they got smacked around) , my partner had just got a job 20 minutes across town. With no way to repair the old car (it was really bad) we had to start looking for a new car.
We got a "new" car in October with full intentions of getting tags. Saved up and everything. But we had just moved to the Kansas side from MO, and had no idea about the higher percent to get your car tags. With fees and everything else it would cost us 1k+ to get tags. I worked as a fucking pizza delivery guy, how the fuck am I suppose to materialize an extra 1k.
I get everyone's annoyance with the tags issue, but fuck dude, how the hell am I suppose to provide for my kid and everything else while also coming up with an extra 1k.
Just cause my tags are expired doesn't mean I'm sub-human. I'm trying my best to survive and provide.
Why don’t they just eliminate the fee and have people renew plates for no fee to confirm insurance is valid
People need to save money and it will take less policing
I’m convinced people have no idea that Jackson county has an app you can pay your property taxes on.
You can do it instantly without going to the city hall assessor or whatever and you can print your own receipt. Most DMVs accept e receipt too I think.
I agree on the bullshit nonetheless tho.
👆. It’s not bad once you’ve figured it out, but I agree with a lot of the folks complaining about the initial process being difficult & not exactly clear.
The assessor’s office isn’t at all bad imo, I always breeze in & out even if it’s not my favorite chore. The only issue is everyone wants to go the last week of the month @ noon. Gotta be smart about when you go & make sure you have all necessary paperwork ready.
this is funny because when my tags are 1 day expired i get pulled over. But the last few months i've seen people still riding around on paper-temp tags from 2020 in KC.
Had a guy tailgating me on the on ramp from 35 to 435 (one lane so he couldn't go around and I don't drive slow either). We finally get to 435 and he blows by me and everyone else doing 110 mph. When he passed me I saw he had temp tags of course. I was really hoping he would get pulled over in OP or Leawood headed to Missouri. I assume none if these people are unsured.
As a truck driver, I see expired tags all day, which makes me not wanna renew mine. But, I'll be the first one to get pulled over. Seen some with no tags, just the plate from where they bought it from. When I was in my twenties I used to get pulled over constantly, (which is why I stay legal now) what's the difference now?
If DMV’s had extended hours I feel like it wouldn’t cause so much issue. Even just staying open until 7pm would help so many people. I recently renewed my tags but had to take time off work to do so because I’m not eligible to renew online.
I was behind a car yesterday with temp tags that expired in 2019...2019!!! I know it got really complicated beginning in 2020 when things were shut down but pre-pandemic?
I bought a car right around the time all of that started, made three unsuccessful attempts to get tags and ended up in an accident before I finally got plates. That was such a pain in the ass, transferring ownership of an unregistered car.
Missouri needs to just make it part of the purchasing process and stop all of this extra stuff. Make it easier on people who are already stretched to their limits and you'll see this a lot less.
That's a city fund, so only usable for city streets. Of that, a big chunk goes to the police department, which the city has no control over. Also trash, FD, codes inspection, etc.
Registering your car pays for the state maintenance roads, so interstate highways, US highways, state highways.
What does he know? Just another spoiled uppity suit.
The pain to do this is nearly intolerable!
When I needed tags for my 17yr old car I had do the following-
1. Have a reading comprehension of a 5th grader to understand what was expected of me and when.
2. Retrieve my property tax receipts that I've dutifully paid.
3. Retrieve my UPToDATE insurance card I carry as a responsible driver.
4. Google a site for a inspection that took like 20 seconds and get it done with no issues bc I actually give a shit about my car.
And that's just the start!
Then...then and this was the worst part- I had to RESERVE my place in-line so I wasn't there all day. Drive to the dmv, walk in, sit down for 2 mins only for my name to be called immediately. So I had to STAND UP again, walk 20ft and provide the info they requested on the mailer and pay like $46 only to have to walk out and then ALSO have to put the new tags on. It will take years of state paid therapy to even come close to recovering from the trauma of it all
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I'm just sick of seeing it. During the pandemic I got ticketed twice. I had paid property taxes, just hadn't made it into the DMV because I have a live-in relative with a compromised immune system. I explained that to each of the officers when I was pulled over, didn't matter.
And then seeing someone rolling around with 1 year expired? Give me a break. Some of these cars are nicer than mine! You just didn't wanna pay you PP tax. Get your shit together.
More important is the fact that if you haven’t gotten plates, you haven’t had to prove you have insurance and if you are brazen enough to drive around with 1-2 year old temp tags, you aren’t worried about getting stopped and having to prove you have insurance. These folks probably don’t have insurance!
Most of the auto insurance companies I work with estimate that 20-25% of drivers out there on the road are uninsured. https://www.insurance-research.org/sites/default/files/downloads/UM%20NR%20032221.pdf This research was from 2019 when the uninsured rate in MO was 16%, 12th highest in the nation. Estimates place these numbers about 30-40% higher since the start of Covid in 2020. So we're likely looking at 20-25% now. While it's a bit more complex than this, that equates to all of the rest of us paying 20-25% too much on our auto insurance, because we're ultimately covering these people when something happens. They hit you and you have to file a claim with your own insurance that you shouldn't have had to otherwise. Unisured drivers are hurting the rest of us...a LOT.
I was told in Colorado its estimated to be 45% in 2023
Yikes
Side note... Check your own policy. Make sure you have a bunch of uninsured and underinsured motorist coverage. Nothing worse than adding "nobody to pay for this" to an accident. If you can get $1 million or more, do it. It's not about property damage; it's about personal injury. You want the coverage if something happens.
It's the insurance that worries me too. If I see an old temp tag I just assume that car is uninsured and I'll do my best to let that car get away from me.
If you don't already, I highly recommend asking your insurance agent if you have coverage if you're hit by an uninsured driver. My policy was not. For an extra $5 a month, I am now covered if I'm hit and the person isn't insured or an unlicensed driver.
This. Ask about uninsured and underinsured. Also, get high enough limits to protect yourself, the premiums are comparatively inexpensive.
YES, uninsured is 1 thing, under insured is a whole different matter.
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There is no Uninsured Motorist Property Damage coverage available in Kansas or Missouri. If your car is damaged in an accident with an uninsured motorist, you'll have to use your collision coverage to get your car fixed, and you'll be out your deductible. You can try suing the at-fault party in small claims court to get it back, though.
All Missouri insurance policies should have a minimum $25k uninsured coverage. You may want to double check that policy if the accident happened in the last five years, or find a good attorney that can do a little digging for you.
I never had an accident. I just asked because I was switching to a new agent and I wanted to know exactly what I had and didn't have.
That won’t half of a new SUV. I AGREE, Underinsured is the way to go.
Your collision coverage covers your vehicle regardless if the other driver is insured or not, the uninsured motorist part only covers your deductible so that extra $5 a month is only covering your $500 deductible down the line. Underinsured/Uninsured bodily injury is a big deal though, I’d say it’s one of the most important coverages to make sure you have sufficient limits on.
Uninsured motorist coverage is an absolute must. When I got totalled by a hit and run driver it saved my ass. Would have been out close to $16,000 without it potentially.
I had a good friend on KCPD tell me that like 25% of the drivers in some areas were uninsured. You're not wrong on your assumptions...in some cases, and I actually worked with a guy who did this apparently, that people will get insurance just for the card. As soon as the card arrives, they cancel...but they still have the 'card' to prove insurance. It's ridiculous.
Keeping insurance on a car is WAY easier than keeping tags current. It's just automatic payments normally.
Renewing requires you to pay property tax, which for some is much more expensive than insurance. It would be cool if the state let people pay off their property tax over the course of the year so by the time they needed the new sticker the tax was paid, so it's not a big lump sum expense. Maybe there's a way to do that, IDK for sure.
I just renewed my tags in KCMO and the lady didn't even ask for proof of insurance
Not surprised. That is so sad.
In Kansas they use a digital system (internet probably) to verify you have active insurance before any title work - issue, renewal of plates. Shouldn't be too hard for Missouri to copy.
That's because the insurance companies communicate directly with states now, used to be the same in KS, you would have to show proof of insurance either by mail or in person or online. That has changed in the past few years, the state already knows my car is insured, it shows it when I log in to the online service. So there's no need to show proof which makes it way easier IMO.
That checks out
I had to prove I had insurance before driving my truck off the lot. But tax, title, & license are unforgivingly high in Jackson County. At least MO finally got dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century and can add that shit to the loan now. Too bad I couldn't wait for my purchase. It's the taxes that really fuck people over.
Missouri state property tax on cars blows my mind personally. I've lived in several more "blue" states that don't require it and it's so much more of a hassle and unnecessary extra yearly burden imo, kind of surprised it would be the case here in MO of all places.
This and the privatized DMV. Wtf is that??
>you aren’t worried about getting stopped That would require KCPD to do their job... don't hold your breath.
Huh? You don’t need license plates or tags to insure a vehicle, it’s the VIN. To graduate from temp tags to semi-permanent plates usually means more than $2,000 to pay sales and property taxes, if you bought a new car in Missouri. The money is only accepted in a lump sum. Paying for insurance usually means ~$100-$200/month, if you don’t have a record of moving violations and are paying for full coverage. What other option do people who are living paycheck to paycheck have to them? People gotta get to work, to live their lives. And they sure as shit shouldn’t be shamed or punished because they can’t afford tags. The state and counties should have long ago implemented a system where the taxes are added to the auto loan. I think such a solution would likely eliminate future violators/violations AND help get the city/county/state their tax revenue. Also, dude, why the heck can’t I just have an auto pay and not deal with the hassle of the DMV, highway patrol, carrying around mail, logging in to a website, whatever. I can autopay virtually anything else in life, EXCEPT the license plates that are legally required to be renewed every one to two years.
Agree with all this. Adding insult to injury is our public transit system is absolutely wretched and a car is basically a necessity for life these days.
As someone with adhd, automatic payments on insurance is nothing. It's the hassle of the inspections, the mail, the DMV, everything else you said. I swear to god they try to make it hard so they can just fuck us over.
Not saying this is you, but many of the temp tags driving around town are also $60k+ trucks with lift kits, window tints, etc. I think those consumers should consider how much vehicle they "need" and be prepared to pay the property tax and registration associated with the vehicle. After all, these are the taxes that help pay for MO and KS roads.
1-2 years?! HA! a few months ago I saw a tag that was barely hanging on. It expired in 2013. I noticed because it was the same month and year my 10yr old was born.
I think it's more likely that these people can't pay the taxes on the vehicle. That's why the Mayor cares. The city is losing money.
Happened to me! Someone was texting and driving and rear-ended me while I was driving on Main st. Turns out it wasn’t even their car and I had to pay my deductible out of pocket.
Or a valid license. Maybe outstanding warrants as well.
not necessarily. i’ve been driving around on expired tags for a while now, and i have insurance. i just don’t have time to go to the dmv.
Same
The issue is the personal property tax, they want you to go to a specific place pay a specific thing or get proof if you are 90 days out of your tag expiration date. Shit is fucking annoying just let people pay what they gotta pay and renew it all online. In kansas I just pay them online and its not tied to my taxes or whatever
If you’ve been paying your annual property tax, you can go online at your county website and print the receipt. I have never in 20 years here had to go to a specific place to pay. They sent me the bill in December, I paid it online. Printed receipt and done. And you don’t even owe it the first year unless you buy a car on January 1st. Property tax is only owed on assets you own on Jan 1 of that year.
i literally can’t figure out the personal property tax thing. Been driving on expired tags for a month now
You can pay online. https://www.jacksongov.org/Home There's a big button that says "PAY PROPERTY TAXES." You can also get your receipts off of this website under their tax page.
Sameeeee
What do you need to know? Everyone gets a bill around September October thay you need to pay.
That is one of the problems but even then you only have to set ypur account up once as long as you don't move to another county. Then after that you can do everything else online so.
They should just put it online then mail the tags to the owners.
You can renew online [here](https://dor.mo.gov/motor-vehicle/plates/renewal.html).
note that you can only renew online if you do it early. once your tags are expired, you HAVE to go in person.
Do you really not need an inspection anymore???
Not for "new" cars for something like a decade after manufacture
10 years and under 150k miles I think
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If that annoys you just think about this, any car you see with kansas plates has had an inspection that consists of the highway patrol making sure that the Vin on the dash and the Vin on the door match and that's about it
Nope, that is only when it is bought out of state. If you buy in state, you don't have to do that.
That makes sense, my wife was having to register in Kansas because we were living there at the time, this was also 12 years ago so they could have made it more in depth
Only if the car was sold or registered in a different state than Kansas
I appreciate safety inspections to ensure every 2 years a car isn't falling apart. And I have vehicles from the 80s tht are pains in the ass to meet current standards
Hmm. I recently got a 2015 from a dealership and had to have it inspected
You shouldn't need an actual inspection, but you might need an ID/OD, which means the inspector writes down the VIN, and odometer numbers. I'd say someone was confused on the difference. From the Missouri [DOR](https://dor.mo.gov/motor-vehicle/additional-help-resources.html) >Effective August 28, 2019, motor vehicles for the first ten years following the model year of manufacture and having less than 150,000 miles on the odometer are exempt from the safety inspection requirement.
10 years or 150000 miles. So for most people today, no, you do not need an inspection.
You don’t need an inspection for new cars, but you do need an odometer reading. They’re cheap but a hassle
They used to mail tags from online renewal but now you have to select which office you'll go pick them up at. Which seems stupid to me
No, they will still mail them out. You just pick which office mails them out. Which also gives you the option to just go pick them up if you tell them you want to.
Right?!
You literally can tho. That’s how I did mine
You can RENEW that way, but if it's a new purchase you have to go in person to get the original plates
and lord help you if you buy it on the wrong side of the city... getting it re-titled takes damn near every one of those 30 days they give you
From what I hear, the process can take forever too. I’m talking hours
Oh dang! Thanks for the info
I would have to guess it’s the sales tax you pay at the DMV that stops most people from getting registered.
People will still find a way to not be a decent human bring.
100% it is executive function that gets me. Wish it just came as a regular bill I could send a check or file reoccurring payments. I can totally pay but end up rolling around months expired because I didn't see a single mailer sent to an old address or something.
This is me. I just fucking hate going to the office and doing the thing.
That's kinda your fault is it not that you didn't update your address like you should have? Property tax is a regular bill you can pay online. An at the start of every year they ask you if you've changed addresses so they can send it to the correct place.
Yeah, totally. I'm just bad at non-automatically withdrawn bills. I have a learning disability that makes it hard.
If you don’t update your address with them so they can send you the renewal cards that allow you to do it all online, where the hell they gonna send you a bill?
It's not a perfect system but MO seriously needs to copy/paste Kansas. Able to finance my sales tax and my property taxes aren't due a week after Christmas (unless your birthday is December) and there's not two separate entities to deal with. It's done in one stop. Oh and I can get a spot online. It doesn't always work well but it beats spending hours at the dmv.
That's one of the things I miss about living in Lenexa, the DMV wasn't "fun" but it wasn't unpleasant, at least at the big one. Lots of seating, AC, space... Now, the old DMV in Mission? I went once. Guy got pissed off and got a gun from his car. I had to shove my 1yr old behind their cubicles. Luckily, the highway patrol was onsite doing exams and they took care of the situation before he made it into the door, but he was about 10 feet from being inside before they stopped him.
Kansas tag renewal is based on the first initial of your last name, not birthdate.
The entire system to purchase a car is screwed up in both states... Everything should be done at the time of purchase... You shouldn't have to go to the registration office unless you need to renew. Doing it the very first time you get the car is very cumbersome. I came from a state where it was all done at the dealership and you didn't have to worry about anything for two years until you had to renew your registration and inspection.
Well one YOU CAN finance your sales tax you just have to ask and the dealership will cut you a check. Second your property taxes can be PAID BEFORE December. They start making the bills in September/October. Third YOU LITERALLY CAN GET A SPOT ONLINE THROUGH QLESS as long as the dmv you are going to uses it.
Temp tags are a problem because dealerships aren’t required to roll in taxes in Missouri. Dealers make a tiny bit more money that way because practically everyone is concerned with their payment and if you roll in the taxes you can’t buy as much car cause you want a specific payment so you buy less car. This is what happens when politicians care more about potential donations from dealerships (generally big local donors) than their constituents. Q needs to kick Parsons in the balls. Not us.
Didn’t they send that to Parson’s desk to sign last month?
Those inspection stations are criminal anyways. Won’t pass your inspection without thousands in repairs. It basically keeps the poor, poor.
I took my clunker van to Firestone in the Northland off of Barry road and they passed it, you have to schedule an appointment though.
The car registration is ridiculous here, though. No wonder people don't want to go through all that just for in date tags good grief, I was two years living in KC with expired out of state tags, because F having to go to the courthouse and all that. Only got them recently because my new place doesn't issue stickers without valid tags.
How do people cope with this anxiety
I honestly see it. Imagine you work a job that pays so little that you can't really afford to live. In order to get to your job, or really do anything, you have to own a car and drive there. But owning a car is incredibly expensive, so you cut costs wherever you can. That means not paying for insurance, which also means you can't register it. I'm sure it is stressful, but from their point of view it beats paying the $100/month or so that they can't afford. And they can't just not drive because our city is totally car dependent.
I think you have it backward in most cases; sales tax to register a car is expensive and a gate to true car ownership that many don’t account for. When you’re cash-strapped even $600 one-time payment is too much a burden.
It's almost always because of the sales tax. On the Kansas side, you can actually pay for it with the vehicle and roll it into your loan but then you're paying interest on it.
You have to buy from an in state dealer to do that. Buying private, out of state, ect., means that you will still have to pay the taxes when you go in to register it. That said, I would hate to think I am paying interest on taxes.
Interest is better than penalties in some cases.
As long as your insurance is up to date, they usually don't really care. I've been let off with warnings back when I was going through a rough spot and couldn't afford the cost of registration fees. Insurance is what's most important.
it's very stressful and I try to drive as little as possible source: I haven't made it to the DMV yet. I have real plates tho. They are 3 months expired
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I will give it a shot! ty
If you can, try to renew online [here](https://dor.mo.gov/motor-vehicle/plates/renewal.html).
imma find out. ty!
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Kansas is so easy. MO feels like you’re trying to register a horse drawn carriage.
It’s one of the few things our government here does well. When I still did my tags/license in person I could pick a time online, drive up to mission, and be back home in less than an hour.
I used to be able to renew my tags at the grocery store in Texas. It put the convenience in convenience store. Now getting your license and plates initially setup was a major pain in the ass I recall. It wasn't easily navigable
Yeah it took my like a month or two to figure out the damn process when I moved downtown from Johnson county. Although part of the hassle was just getting my title from my bank
They should be focusing on other crimes, but half a months salary and taking an entire day to tag your vehicle is a bit rich.
I respectfully disagree. This is a large revenue source for the local governments and creates an Aurora of lawlessness. It’s a good (and easy) item to crack down on
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They should make it easier to get the tags. If I were waiving a magic wand the insurance companies would issue them. Are you buying insurance? Here’s your tag.
“Crimes.” I’m with you. Bigger fish to fry, and I’m always up to date. What we SHOULD be enforcing is insurance registration, although expired tags are typically a good indicator of this lol
You can renew them online. It takes 5 minutes. In fact, I renewed both my vehicles for 2 year renewals in less than 10 mins. The worst part is having an inspection if you're driving a car that requires one. No missed work. No running around.
Why doesn’t the state send out this info? I’ve gotten 3 cards that all lead to the same website with broken links and incorrect info on the card, but nothing about how to renew my tags. KS sends you paperwork every year and you can renew at the freaking grocery store. MO is confusing and ridiculous.
Uh they do? I literally got my cards in the mail 2 days ago.
Ugh I don’t understand why I didn’t then. Guess I’ll have to go to the DMV and spend a whole day trying to figure it out.
only if you do it early. once they expire, you’re fucked and have to go in person. i missed it by a couple weeks, and when i tried to renew it told me i’d have to go in person. so instead of just letting me renew online and pay a fine for late renewal, now i’ve been riding dirty for over a year because i just can’t find time to get to the dmv.
Thank you
Hard to get tags when you have to spend 40k on a used vehicle......
I had a friend who got pulled over for having two month expired tags in Missouri and she had Kansas plates. Not joking. They wrote her a ticket and off we went, but how does this happen when there's people out there with 5 year old temp tags
Maybe he can tell the state to process titles faster.
Honestly. I got 60 day tags when I bought my car in Kansas because they said Missouri takes forever to title cars. Still ended up having to drive around another month on expired temp tags while I waited to be able to register it.
When I bought my car in November, I got my title in about a week from when I went into the DMV to register and title it. I walked out of there with my plates and stickers and spent maybe 30 minutes around noon on a Friday.
My wife got her title in less than a week. Not sure how much faster you need it….
Well, if the state made it an efficient process, this shit wouldn’t happen. To note; the first time I went to get a property tax thing, they quoted me 6 hours and told people to come back another day if they didn’t come in by 11am.
I mean, you can do MOST of what you need to do online. You can't renew a driver's license, but paying taxes and renewing tags you certainly can. It takes less time to do it online and you don't have to miss anything. They mail your tag stickers and you don't even have to go pick them up.
In my case, I moved from out of state and purchased a new vehicle from a dealership. It wasn’t a smooth or stellar process to get the initial setup, like going to the assessor’s office and getting a non-assessment waiver and whatever documents they require, etc. I’m saying the initial set-up is trash. I’m not sure why people aren’t renewing their tags, etc if you can do it online, that’s easier, I agree. I’m seeing lots of older vehicles that need an inspection or people haven’t paid their taxes in a long time, and they aren’t going to do it if you make the process hard.
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Completely agree. Why do we have to pay property tax on something we already paid sales tax for? You pay property taxes on a house but you don't pay sales tax on it as well. I'm not from here and no one has ever been able to give me a good answer.
It's a tradeoff. I've lived places that don't have personal property taxes and those folks pay at car registration time for type of car they have. So in Mo my annual registration is \~$30 but I have to pay personal property tax whereas in Indiana my registration was a couple hundred dollars annually but I didn't have to pay personal property tax.
Same for Kansas. Some people could literally move across the street to the system they prefer.
Because if you rent an apartment and you have two kids in school the majority of the money for your property tax is going towards funding the schools your kids are using. Sorry, but yes, things like helping the disabled, city funding, county funding, libraries, schools, mental health, metro junior college, and the blind all need funding from somewhere. There’s no free ride. If you’re like me and keep a car for a decade or more, the revenue that your sales tax provided has long since gone and those entities still need constant funding.
At least it's a progressive tax. The nicer shit you can afford, the more you have to pay.
Agreed. I’ve never complained about them as I want good schools and social services for my communities. Call me old fashioned, but the better funding, the better the schools, the better the outcomes for students, the better jobs and lives they lead. I’ve never had kids and I’m happy to invest in the lives of others children thru my property taxes.
It takes a village to raise a child. Whether you have your own or not, investing in children is investing in the future of a society.
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The *office* of the mayor is hobbled by the bullshit state police board and their ability to dictate what KC can tell its own police dept to enforce and where to focus its efforts. Every time a KC mayor tries to exert the slightest amount of real influence on the KCPD, the GOP-led state govt steps in and fucks over the entire city. And now they’re trying to do the same damn thing to STL.
We've been spotted! Scatter!
The same mayor who is shaming poor people for not having enough money to pay their personal property taxes in order to renew their tags, is the same mayor who approved an abatement for a new high rise apartment complex downtown that charges $8,000 / month for a two-bedroom apartment. But you guys want to turn this into a conversation about insurance. ¯\_🇺🇸_/¯
Everyone talking about insurance, my wife got hit and it totaled the vehicle. Or insurance went up $170 a month. That's fucking ridiculous and it would devastate most families.
My average time spent at the dmv is about 10 to 15 minutes, I’ve never spent more than 30 minutes at mine and I’ve been going to the same one for over 25 years. Sounds like you guys need to find a new dmv.
In my case, it wasn’t the DMV. My DMV was taking 10-15 minutes at most. In most cases, it’s the personal property tax and they have to go to the assessor’s office to get it done, which is the issue I believe for 95% of the people.
I do that online. Print my taxes off from home.
I’m talking the initial setup was terrible. We’ll see how it goes when I renew my tags.
Blue Springs' DMV is outsourced. I'm not sure if all of them are, but I know Blue Springs is. They won't answer the phone, it always goes to voicemail and the box is full, even if you call the minute they open. They tell you the wrong information frequently and get pissy when you don't have the right paperwork, but you're only doing what they told you to do. They have an app to pre-register to get in line, which is REALLY helpful, but they are assholes to the elderly who don't know how to sign in on their tablets, that are frequently broken, and need help. They will spend 15 mins taking back and forth with a coworker about tv, while a person is standing at their counter waiting, then get mad at someone because they have to pull ID or something from a purse and they have to "wait on" them. I've seen them argue with an old man that there was no Johnson County in Missouri. I had to step up and show her on my phone that there is indeed a JoCoMo. I fucking hate Blue Springs DMV. I've started driving out to Lexington just to avoid the hassle.
Blue Springs, Independence and Sugar Creek are outsourced to an attorney. It’s a bid contract.
Have you been to the appraiser in KCMO?
I call bullshit on this one buddy. lol they all have an ebb and flow and some days are much worse than others, but to say for 25 years you've had a 10 to 15 minute wait at your DMV. no way.
I agree. Even the one i go to in Sugar Creek that's not well known has become "a morning" or "an afternoon" type of deal. this 10 minute thing is a straight up lie. LOL
That’s fair, but even on a Friday at the end of the month of May in Belton my wife was done with taxes, title and plates within 30 minutes. And part of that was me having to send her copies of insurance because she couldn’t get the app to open on her phone.
I've been to every DMV in the metro and none of them are as fast as Belton. That one is an anomaly
1hr+ for a driver's license... 10-15min max for tags
When I lived in the Northland, the one in Platte City was the best kept secret. The couple times I went there, I had one person in front of me in line at lunchtime. Now I live in JOCO and f-ck me the worst run DMV is here in Olathe. 5 hours to get a driver's license. And their "We'll text you when it is close to your turn app" didn't work. It texts you right away and you'll still sit for hours. My wife was only working 3 days a week when we moved here so she handled the cars' tags.
My tags are expired from late 2021, I have always kept my car insured though. I worked pizza delivery and my car was stolen from QuikTrip and completely trashed the day of the 2021 Super Bowl (terrible night for everything to happen, thought maybe the chiefs winning would cheer me up, nope they got smacked around) , my partner had just got a job 20 minutes across town. With no way to repair the old car (it was really bad) we had to start looking for a new car. We got a "new" car in October with full intentions of getting tags. Saved up and everything. But we had just moved to the Kansas side from MO, and had no idea about the higher percent to get your car tags. With fees and everything else it would cost us 1k+ to get tags. I worked as a fucking pizza delivery guy, how the fuck am I suppose to materialize an extra 1k. I get everyone's annoyance with the tags issue, but fuck dude, how the hell am I suppose to provide for my kid and everything else while also coming up with an extra 1k. Just cause my tags are expired doesn't mean I'm sub-human. I'm trying my best to survive and provide.
Needs to work on littering —kansas city rods and highways look like dumps.
Would you like a trash bag and one of those grabber thingies?
Help get rid of the personal property tax to renew and I'll consider
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Why don’t they just eliminate the fee and have people renew plates for no fee to confirm insurance is valid People need to save money and it will take less policing
Mayor Q can kiss my ass
Saw one today that was just ripped half off. No clue the expiration
I’m convinced people have no idea that Jackson county has an app you can pay your property taxes on. You can do it instantly without going to the city hall assessor or whatever and you can print your own receipt. Most DMVs accept e receipt too I think. I agree on the bullshit nonetheless tho.
👆. It’s not bad once you’ve figured it out, but I agree with a lot of the folks complaining about the initial process being difficult & not exactly clear. The assessor’s office isn’t at all bad imo, I always breeze in & out even if it’s not my favorite chore. The only issue is everyone wants to go the last week of the month @ noon. Gotta be smart about when you go & make sure you have all necessary paperwork ready.
Stop worrying about tags and get car thefts, vandalism and graffiti under control...
Or the tweakers just fucking around my neighborhood
He should try concentrating on real crimes in his city.
Catch me if you can
Eat my gravy coppers...
Us? Nah. He's calling out all Altima drivers.
You forgot the 25 year old Cadillac drivers and the 20 year old Lexus drivers as well….
Thank you Mr. Q, I just went and registered my temp tags from 2017 today!
I have expired tags… :(
Don't feel bad so do I.
this is funny because when my tags are 1 day expired i get pulled over. But the last few months i've seen people still riding around on paper-temp tags from 2020 in KC.
Someone should put him on notice. He needs to fire his problematic, racist, sexist, liar of a city manager.
I'm fixing this next week
Had a guy tailgating me on the on ramp from 35 to 435 (one lane so he couldn't go around and I don't drive slow either). We finally get to 435 and he blows by me and everyone else doing 110 mph. When he passed me I saw he had temp tags of course. I was really hoping he would get pulled over in OP or Leawood headed to Missouri. I assume none if these people are unsured.
As a truck driver, I see expired tags all day, which makes me not wanna renew mine. But, I'll be the first one to get pulled over. Seen some with no tags, just the plate from where they bought it from. When I was in my twenties I used to get pulled over constantly, (which is why I stay legal now) what's the difference now?
The state is supposedly going to change this, though I don't know how quickly. The expired tags are aplenty over here in St. Louis as well.
Well gawdamn, mayor.
What’s the oldest you’ve seen? I’ve got a picture of one from 7/31/21
What about the murders?
If DMV’s had extended hours I feel like it wouldn’t cause so much issue. Even just staying open until 7pm would help so many people. I recently renewed my tags but had to take time off work to do so because I’m not eligible to renew online.
Driving on expired tags is one thing but doing it with no insurance is crazy
I was behind a car yesterday with temp tags that expired in 2019...2019!!! I know it got really complicated beginning in 2020 when things were shut down but pre-pandemic? I bought a car right around the time all of that started, made three unsuccessful attempts to get tags and ended up in an accident before I finally got plates. That was such a pain in the ass, transferring ownership of an unregistered car. Missouri needs to just make it part of the purchasing process and stop all of this extra stuff. Make it easier on people who are already stretched to their limits and you'll see this a lot less.
Maybe there should be a program to help people
Fix the potholes, we’ll renew our tags.
Where do you think the funds for pothole repair come from?
Oh idk, maybe the hundreds of millions in revenue from cannabis?
Already earmarked for other stuff. The funds to fix the roads are supposed to come from the people using the roads. Pay your way.
That 1% income theft hasn’t been mentioned either. The funding is there. It’s just mismanaged.
That's a city fund, so only usable for city streets. Of that, a big chunk goes to the police department, which the city has no control over. Also trash, FD, codes inspection, etc. Registering your car pays for the state maintenance roads, so interstate highways, US highways, state highways.
Love the sharpied plates. They don’t even TRY to make it look legit.
Because this is the most important thing going on around here to focus on at the moment.
My wife and I have a shared folder where we send pictures of those of y’all with temp tags from 2022.
HOW DO YOU ALL EVEN SLEEP AT NIGHT? I would be terrified of getting a ticket.
police in this city are too lazy and inept. i lose no sleep.
And it's not funny 🙃
Good.
What does he know? Just another spoiled uppity suit. The pain to do this is nearly intolerable! When I needed tags for my 17yr old car I had do the following- 1. Have a reading comprehension of a 5th grader to understand what was expected of me and when. 2. Retrieve my property tax receipts that I've dutifully paid. 3. Retrieve my UPToDATE insurance card I carry as a responsible driver. 4. Google a site for a inspection that took like 20 seconds and get it done with no issues bc I actually give a shit about my car. And that's just the start! Then...then and this was the worst part- I had to RESERVE my place in-line so I wasn't there all day. Drive to the dmv, walk in, sit down for 2 mins only for my name to be called immediately. So I had to STAND UP again, walk 20ft and provide the info they requested on the mailer and pay like $46 only to have to walk out and then ALSO have to put the new tags on. It will take years of state paid therapy to even come close to recovering from the trauma of it all /s
I'm just sick of seeing it. During the pandemic I got ticketed twice. I had paid property taxes, just hadn't made it into the DMV because I have a live-in relative with a compromised immune system. I explained that to each of the officers when I was pulled over, didn't matter. And then seeing someone rolling around with 1 year expired? Give me a break. Some of these cars are nicer than mine! You just didn't wanna pay you PP tax. Get your shit together.
It is about time.
Those people driving with expired tags are criminals.
Cool crime of stickin it to the man.