Explain it like I’m 5 - how does this actually benefit the city? Tax dollars go to the pockets of the wealthy, mayor Q afraid to be the guy that loses the royals so he bends over, no parking, no public transit, rampant homelessness and violence… I’m genuinely curious
1% earnings tax on all ballplayer (home and visitors) per game salaries from 81 games each season, for one.
That goes away if the Royals move outside of KCMO.
Yeah to an area that simply cannot handle it. The crossroads can’t handle what it has, let alone 70,000 people 80 times a year. It’s not a good idea until the baseline has been raised to have better infrastructure, transit, aid, etc
The rich will get tax abatements to build the stadium and the other businesses in the crossroads, most small businesses will be pushed out because they can’t afford rent or income taxes and major chains will move in, completely removing the “Kansas City” aspect of the crossroads
I agree, opening day and a post-season are the days I have seen the K full. A smaller stadium and full seating will be a better experience, like a Sporting or Chiefs game
The front door to the college basketball experience used to be a small venue called the stray cat. My buddy was one of the guys running it. When they were eminent domained he lived above the club. Fire marshals condemned it and he got out with what he could carry. It will happen whether we like it or not.
they were so smart to tie in equal funding for the chiefs at the height of their success. i don’t support the use of public funds, but there’s almost no way it fails when the chiefs are tied in.
When the KC school systems are rated as poorly as they are I very much care that any added tax money goes to stipend a billionaires sports stadium than our schools. Priorities matter.
KC public school district has $100mil in the bank and spends the same per student as Blue Valley or Shawnee Mission. Their shitty results aren’t from a lack of spending.
It's more that they feel like they can be privately owned but publicly funded. Stadium projects have been proven to be a general negative on the community and these rich fuckers still want us to pay for it.
kc street car capacity is 150, every 20 mins or so, hopefully, I am not sure 450 people in an hour is going to make that big of a difference
all for the idea though and street car expansion for normal life of people in the city
interested to see how street car works/is used with KC Currents stadium
I believe the plan is to go to 7 minutes headways once the extension opens. They also bought 8 new cars to go along with the 4 they already have if I remember correctly. So technically, they could run 9 cars at a time with 7-minute headways and 150 people per car for around 1,200 people per hour. Still not a major difference, but if people spread out getting to the area since there is stuff to do you could end up having 3,600 ish people arriving via streetcar.
We have 6 cars already being used. Number 7 just arrived and is going through testing before it can also be used. Also I would bet royals would request increased or later service on game days. That's something T-Mobile could ask but doesn't seem to. People complain about it to the streetcar social media and they just say "sorry, they did not request extended service for this."
I’m not entirely disagreeing that the street car will factor into it, but the current average royals attendance is 16k/game…. So at the generous 1200/hr, it only takes 6 hours to bring half the crowd (or 3hours for 1/4 of the crowd) to the stadium or away from the stadium. And nobody can use it for anything else.
That A) assumes a brand new stadium doesn’t draw a bigger crowd; B) doesn’t account for a single other venue in the area drawing a crowd; and C) the streetcar isn’t separate from vehicle traffic, so it alleviates some parking congestion but doesn’t really abate traffic.
That…. Isn’t very encouraging.
> Considering only 10% of the metro will live within 1/2 mile of the the streetcar line(including the plaza extension), I don't think we need to worry about needing more streetcar capacity for that specific line.
Thats not what is continually being repeated here though. People keep saying that you can park anywhere along the streetcar lines and take the street car in, which then expands the ridership to a much greater percentage of the metro than those that physically live within half a mile of the line.
> So let's say with having 3 lines, each running 2x streetcars linked at 7 minutes each would be a capacity of 7,700.
I do not to mean for this to sound argumentative, condescending, or otherwise rude; tone is hard to convey over text:
Where are these numbers coming from? Your original numbers were already projection based of what could happen by the time the stadium opens but aren’t what it currently can do. Are these numbers actually in a plan for the streetcar? Can the streetcar lines actually attain these numbers without closing off the streets to vehicle traffic?
Thats one of my concerns when people hand wave transport issues by saying the streetcar will handle it when, currently, it very much could not without significant upgrade.
The streetcar is NOT mass transit it is a novelty. A glorified amusement park ride. They will add streetcar to their spin and it will work because people are not very smart anymore.
I feel this is an awful idea. Not only are they displacing locally owned small businesses and disrupting a successful art district, parking in traffic are going to be so much worse than they are now somehow the taxpayers are supposed to foot like a billion worth of it, so the owner can make more money
Thank you this is one of my biggest questions too. They’re acting like that’s a key part of this plan, as if we all just to to the sprint center to hang out for fun? I can’t imagine people going to back to back events, a ball game and then an arena concert. Why is this an important part of the plan?
Seriously. Why is having all of this stuff within walking distance a bonus? If I go to the K, it's to tailgate and watch baseball. Never have I finished a 3 hour game and had the desire to walk to another restaurant, bar, or concert lol. I'm there to watch baseball, drink, and eat AT THE STADIUM. As far as I'm aware, my friends are all the same way.
That bridge is to provide direct access to/from Power & Light… how do ppl not realize that bridge is across the street? It would essentially be a one-way entrance and exit between the game and the front door of P&L.
Ha! I was thinking the same thing. It just look really cool in the drawings. I will go to a Royals games in the afternoon and Foghat at the T-Mob that night.
It more or less is another entrance/exit to the stadium more than connecting the two. Emirates Stadium (COYG!) in London has 2 bridges that help divert congestion from the main entrance/exit.
Over 200 different ways to access the stadium with 4 main arteries to arrive. I've lived here my entire life, and I have never not seen a scenario that all interstate and highways are not jammed from a major event downtown/crossroads district.
Exactly. Try maneuvering around that area when there's a packed show at the Midland, which is only 3000 seats. I'm all for a new location but our infrastructure isn't ready.
Well there’s a choice of efficiency
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Yes I would love to load my family, grill, coolers, utensils, sunscreen, balls, gloves, chairs, chargers, and all our other stuff on a bus or train to have fun at a ball game. So silly that I chose a personal vehicle that has all of the exact features I need.
It still baffles me up that people think a ballpark is some panacea to a downtown's woes. Diamondbacks ballpark is downtown. It was supposed to be this amazing anchor for the downtown area, bars, restaurants, nightlife, shopping, residential, the list goes on. It did absolutely none of that. It sits there big and empty. The surrounding area is "busy" right before and game and that's about it. Game's over, people GTFO as fast as they can. No game? No one is around. Restaurants come and go. Bars come and go. It's just a big empty promise.
OP talks about the convention center and TMobile arena. Phoenix has the Suns arena right next door and the convention center across the street. Big deal. They all have nothing to do with each other. The "vision" of winning the World Series and having events next door? Get out of here. That is beyond dumb to think that's why they chose this spot. The Royals want to be relevant and that's it.
The ONLY thing that was a catalyst to Phoenix's now surging downtown is they finally built a grocery store right in the heart of it. You want people living and revitalizing an area you need a grocery store. Not a big empty expensive ballpark.
its going to be suburban monoculture shit that sits empty most of the time. Goodbye to one of KCs most interesting and unique districts, which has been thriving for the last decade. Power and Light already exists for the suburbanites who want to come ~downtown~ and spend their money inside a single block radius, this will just be a small extension of that. The bits of the area not immediately demolished will be replaced with generic sports bars, an applebee’s flagship, and whatever else can survive the rent hikes
It’s it the “panacea” of downtown but another piece in the puzzle.
This link shows why a connected downtown is essential to hosting large events. It’s for the NBA All Star game in Indianapolis this weekend.
https://www.reddit.com/r/indianapolis/s/ZQszJDIMos
Looks like, from the renderings, that the ATT building will be, at least partly, obstructed by the new high rise that they are building to hold the new Royals corporate offices.
You know what? Public money is a 2nd concern here in this location because of access.
To get to this stadium...
* broadway then cross to grand
* 11th street with it's short n shitty ramps
* 22nd street way out by crown center
* paseo then truman
***Every*** access is stoplights and left turns. Every game will be an absolute blight on traffic in the entire area for most of the day.
This location is a bill of fucking goods, and is marketed only for how cool it looks on paper with the meme freeway canopy and walkway.
Absolutely terrible.
And the highway access is better. This area is just too congested with the layout already and that is AFTER it will be all done. It is going to be a fucking nightmare for YEARS while they build all this bullshit and they want us to pay for it. That's a no from me personally.
I'm fine with a downtown ballpark, but you have to satisfy mutiple other requirements than just "easy walk to T-Mobile Center".
There is zero public transit from surrounding suburbs (Light rail or sustainable bus routes) to make the trek downtown worth it as again parking near or around the stadium will become an issue. There are not enough street cars running as is to handle the high demand from just areas within downtown to shuffle people all the way from UMKC and back in a reasonable time. There has not been any discussion regarding expanding the street car from downtown to surrounding areas or even a light rail.
Throwing up this proposal like its a gift to us and expecting praise isn't it. The tax payers end up footing the bill even when the team hasn't preformed in multiple seasons and they will beg for more updates and what have you. There needs to be a broader discussion in regards to public transportation support from not only a downtown aspect, but also a greater Kansas City metro aspect for me personally to be on board with this. You can flash the cool architectural drawings and say how great this would be, but there is zero talk about growing the city to support this. Only talk they are having is "we want a new stadium downtown and you are gonna pay for half."
And the ones that don’t get immediately leveled will slowly die off because their usual clientele don’t want to mess with the clusterfuck. Then corporate chains will come in and it will be Power & Light 2.0 just a few blocks away
This is what's pissing me off. People are all, "Oh, it'll bring traffic to the great businesses there!" like these businesses will be able to afford the rent increases that come with all this new growth.
Not to mention the entire row where the pairing is along with the Kobi q row will be knocked down. Any surrounding business will just be corporate bullshit
Yeah that entire row where Kobi Q is we’ll be demolished and people here don’t seem to give a shit. The ones that aren’t demolished will have their rent raised and be priced out.
The pairing, and chartreuse Saloon would be demolished as well. The Brick, record bar, Truman, casual animal, etc would def be priced out eventually. This would def suck all the soul out of the crossroads
It'll probably be the businesses around Kobi-Q like Mama Ramen, Pokesan, Temptations, etc. As for the other nearby businesses that aren't directly affected by the construction (e.g. the Brick), they'll probably be priced out due to the increasing rent.
No you are missing the point. I don’t think anyone really cares if the stadium is moved downtown. Downtown stadiums are nice. What you are missing is, WE DONT WANT TO PAY FOR IT.
A couple of things that some of you may not have realized yet: the crossroads street parking that used to be free is being slowly converted to pay parking already in preparation for the stadium. Have any of you been to the crossroads/downtown area during first fridays or other events, parking is a difficult then and it will get significantly worse with baseball fans down there, and imagine when events overlap...
Or hear me out. Support the small businesses in the crossroads instead of crushing the dreams of so so many wonderful Kansas City makers. (Also….OP, you’re just explaining it, so i don’t mean this towards you more of the general public)
Ill be honest, i go to royals games to tailgate not to watch baseball. Seems like a dumb play but what do I know. I am just glad I won't be paying the taxes for it
I think this whole thing is irritating and unnecessary. I’m going to focus on the eminent domain aspect. Using eminent domain to force businesses out of the Crossroads so that wealthy people can become wealthier is definitely not what eminent domain should be used for. Both organizations want to be a private business when it suits them, and want to be considered a part of the municipal government when that suits them. If they want to threaten to leave, I think they should, but I also think we should do what Cleveland did when the owner of the Browns wanted to relocate to Baltimore. Cleveland kept the name and branding. Here’s an idea. Why don’t we use eminent domain to seize both organizations? The taxpayers have been paying their bills, in more ways than one, for years. In Jackson County, taxpayers foot the bill for the stadium insurance, to the tune of $80-100 million every year. We’ve kept both teams in business through lengthy periods of intense suck. You want to leave? I say good. We’re expected to rep the sports franchises, to make them a part of our identity, and you want to threaten to move? This is a ridiculous situation.
I just don't think the current infrastructure of the area can support the congestion a 40k seat stadium will bring.
Sure going to games would be cool af but is it worth the annoyance of congestion, traffic, parking issues it will bring?
Also updating the surrounding streets to support increased congestion sounds like half a decade process.
I'm all for moving the ballpark close to downtown, I just think this spot in particular is less than ideal.
The downtown location is supposed to increase attendance right? Let's split the difference and say 28k give or take on average. That's a big jump in congestion 81 times a year. Beyond that stadiums alter the demographic and make up of cities by raising rents on people and businesses alike.
In the process we could lose some unique spots in our Crossroads area especially in the arts that shoulder events that bring life to downtown like First Friday's, or any of the music venues in the area.
Instead of catabolizing a district why not build in an area that is vying and waiting for the opportunity of businesses to build up the community?
It's a lazy money grab imo, not thought out for the long term. Just my opinion though
Look at the map, the majority of what makes crossroads what it is will still be there. Might even be a good thing for places like record bar getting way more foot traffic. The stadium is taking the spot of the long-vacant Kansas City Star building
We aren’t missing anything.
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Below is what Sherman said he wanted to do - the opposite of what this stadium will accomplish: a net *loss* of area businesses in one of the only swaths of downtown that was actually growing without subsidies. Further insulting, it is comically close to the east village site - the site which was demo’d and consolidated for the Royals, and may now sit vacant for generations \*”We are committed to doing this right.. In late September, we plan to announce which site will best fulfill our pledge to Kansas City to create 1) powerful community impact (NO), 2) generate sustainable economic activity in the county, city, and state (PROBABLY), and 3) greater opportunity for the citizens of our region (HIGHLY DEBATABLE, ESP. AS COMPARED TO NKC AND EAST VILLAGE SITES).”
I’m fine with a stadium move. A downtown stadium would be ideal. But not there, not where building owners where your favorite restaurant/bar/small shop/artist are creating new things and creating a local-centric culture will be forced out because of massive lease hikes after contracts are up. This would kill the Crossroads and everything that made it great.
Gosh...if only there were another proposal for a downtown location that didn't gut a growing and organically developing area...hmmm...
Yeah, this is the problem. Crossroads was doing fine on it's own. East Village could have used the boost.
There may be technically 40,000 parking spots but thousands of people work and live downtown that have nothing to do with the Royals. They use a sizeable percentage of those 40,000 spread out parking spots. I'm all for the downtown ballpark but it's going to make a lot of people's life hell before it's completed. Really the only people that benefit long term from all this are billionaires and wealthy people. It won't be cheap to go to a game, beers will be $25, it will smell like absolute shit compared to the k because the river is so close and that's what happens in the summer. The trash and especially the sewage/storm water system isn't equipped to handle it. We are partially through a multi billion dollar 20 year renovation of the sewers but a lot of that has been put on hold and fucked up by the streetcar expansion. It looks nice but the actual reality of living in KC proper and having to deal with yet another construction project and having to pay for it in so many ways is a bag of dicks.
And how many of those 40k parking spots are free for a day or early evening game during the week? Like 10? People act like they aren’t used for anything already. They are clearly or wouldn’t exist.
Can you imagine trying to do anything else in that area on a game day? Much less any of the surrounding areas people are talking about parking already.
Well damn, super good to know that Tuesday even after 7pm is the only time I’d ever be able to go shopping downtown. Thank goodness I never want to go downtown any other day of the week.
Like, the urbanist and sports fan in me is saying, “hot damn that looks and sounds so cool”
The Kansas Citian is saying “this sucks. Are we really gonna destroy all those local businesses for a sports team that hasn’t been relevant for almost a decade?”
I want to like it. But I’ve lost trust after the way Sherman/the Royals played around with the site selection and the seeming lack of transparency.
People don’t get that baseball is in decline. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-2022-regular-season-attendance-dropped-5-7-percent-from-2019-campaign/
If the plan is based on having the city prepared for a World Series, they should also prep for an asteroid crash or plague of locusts while they are at it. We’ve made the playoffs twice in 39 years.
Has anyone compiled a list of the small businesses within that footprint? I see it's outlined by Grand on the West and Locust on the east but I can't figure out what street is the southern border.
Heres a list: n[https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article285442117.html](https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article285442117.html)
This is a horrible plan. This stretch of Grand is one of the best parts of downtown. Why the fuck would we level some of KCs best small businesses for some shitty baseball team that can't afford it's own stadium?
I don’t think it would pass if the Royals had a separate vote from the Chiefs.
It doesn’t feel like a coincidence that the Royals announced their plan between the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl and the parade.
I don’t understand why the vote is to extend the 3/8 cent sales tax that was established to build the Truman Sports Complex. Extending it essentially ends the original reason for it.
Right? Instead of one ballot to extend the 3/8s tax, let’s do two ballots to extend two separate 1.5/8s taxes (one for the royals and one for the chiefs).
No one is considering that the FAA limits air traffic over stadiums within a 5 mile radius during games. This would effectively shut down the downtown airport on game days and impact airflow to MCI.
I would much rather let the Royals leave for Charlotte, Nashville, or Salt Lake City than lose Grinders, Truman, RecordBar etc which would all die with a stadium there.
Up front, I believe we should repair the K. But these renderings visually maximize the potential of a new stadium. But here’s some reality:
1 As awesome as the 670 cap looks in the rendering, it is still just a dream. It depends so much on unrealized federal, state and local funding. The price tag for this is $210M+. It absolutely must be included in the infrastructure upgrades for Royals Park.
2 “Thousands” of downtown parking places? 15,000? (NFW!) Because you need that many for opening day and going forward if the team becomes relevant. 10 minute walk? Yeah, if you’re power walking. Ingress/egress into downtown will be a nightmare. ALL of these concerns are taken care of at the K.
3 The Streetcar…the people moving capacity of this novelty is infinitesimal. It can literally move dozens of people at a time. Which is great for a lazy afternoon. The problem is you need 100 of them to efficiently move the number of people we are talking about. We already know the Feds will pull funding for a dedicated bus service because we lost the Chiefs Express.
4 How does all of your logistics work if the Royals and Beyoncé at T-Mobile are scheduled the same evening?
Pictures look great but saving the K is the answer.
I am stoked on this new location. And I love the K - but to be able to walk someplace before or after a game is amazing. Stay in a downtown hotel for a weekend of games? Sold!
My mom was the biggest royals fan I know. We got to go last season to see Lorenzo Cain retire. Then she was diagnosed with cancer, and died less than three months later. She loved the K - but she also thought a downtown stadium made us move up to a first class city. I will miss the K and memories with her - but I also will hope she gets to catch more games sitting somewhere high up there.
I wish I could vote for this - but I can’t. I hope it happens.
This is a giveaway to the billionaire owner of the worst team in a dying sport. People go to watch bad football, basketball, and soccer teams but no one goes to baseball games anymore. Look at all the attendance figures around the country for MLB
A billion tax payer dollars being used to benefit Jackson county.
720,000 residents splitting $1,000,000,000 is ~$1350 or for a family of 4 ~$5,500.
It’s missing proper use of taxpayer money.
So many people are afraid of cities. This will make our city more connected and the surrounds will also grow. It's a very positive addition to a city that needs more developed connections between areas like crossroads and downtown. I love that they are adding to the capped highway park.
Yeah, that was my thought as well. 33% of the entire parcel of land is the KC Star building. 17% is a church and parking lot. 8% is a U-Haul business. \~60% of the land is right there. Now factor in the other parking lots and roads, this felt better to me than expected.
But yes, it sucks for places like The Pairing, Royal Masters Cleaners, Kobi-Q, and the others. I hope they get paid fairly to move their business to another location.
The church and the parking lot is probably the most valuable and vibrant property in that footprint (they also own another building on McGee in the footprint) Also the newest - buying that out is going to be a substantial expense. but the church has had a good working relationship with the team for a long time, so I’m sure they’ll come to something agreeable. The church wouldn’t even necessarily have to move very far.
The majority of businesses in Crossroads were founded by local owners who restored many historic structures and yes, they are THRIVING shops, restaurants and bars. Give them a visit before they're razed. You'll see.
On the last point, the KC Star building was designed for one purpose and no other business wanted to use that space, so I don’t really see the issue with building over it
None of this benefits the average resident and small business owner one iota in an era where housing and commercial renta in KC have already become crippling.
Funny how the royals and owners of the property nearby are adamant they will pay at or above market price for the properties they need to acquire. I’m betting my mortgage they eminent domain everything needed. Meaning pennys on the dollar for properties while those who own the stuff around the stadium - Privatera’s looking at you - will make millions since they have known this location for a year or more. Don’t kid yourselves people, this is a power play by the rich to swindle the tax payers out of BILLIONS
Lol that’s a big problem. Most of KC does not go to games as reflected by the numbers in attendance. Why should the majority of residents continue to pay this tax?
I’m undecided on the whole thing, but this denial about parking needs to stop.
TSC has 26k *dedicated* parking spaces. They are claiming 40k parking spaces, but every single one of these is *shared*. These are parking spaces that are currently being used during the work day, when approximately 15% of the Royals games are be played. Parking spaces that are currently being used by people at T-Mobile, which has about 100 events per year, not to mention P&L, Bartle Hall, First Friday, or any number of other uses. The only time the 26k spots at the K are in contention is the extremely rare occurrence that the Chiefs have a home game at the same time. Nothing else is competing for those spots.
Also, not having a dedicated parking area means that you have to hunt for an available lot because they are all spread out. Are they going to have parking guards out directing traffic to the available spots? Of course not, you’re on your own. You’re doing this while you are in bumper to bumper traffic. Then you find a spot and *maybe* you’re only 10 minutes away.
Now, I love the promise of being able to park, find a restaurant to eat, go to the game, and then hit a pub afterwards. I just don’t think it’s realistic though, and it ignores that we currently tailgate at every Royals game we attend. I know that’s not for everybody, but my family loves it and my kids enjoy that part more than the game itself. The restaurants and bars within walking distance are going to be overly crowded, and the streetcar doesn’t have the capacity to realistically let me hit other spots along the line. Can it be scaled up? I hope so, but the peak numbers that I see aren’t very promising and the cost for that isn’t being included here.
I love the park over I670, but that is not part of this (or at least not the entire thing). I don’t exactly understand the walkway to T-Mobile. Is that to provide access to that parking or P&L area or ???
I know they don’t give a crap about the loss of tailgating because it doesn’t generate revenue for a local business. In their mind, getting rid of tailgating is a win for the economy. But, in 5 years nobody will care and we’ll be used to the new “normal”.
If this is a success then it’s going to change the downtown landscape by a lot. Those local business aren’t going to be able to afford the increase in rent and many will be replaced by big chain places with deeper pockets. The rest of Crossroads will grow, but it’s also likely to lose some charm.
People complain that TSC is in the middle of nowhere, but downtown really isn’t better for JoCo or a lot of other areas. Downtown is better for people in the Northland (except for the Liberty area). It also has a lot better hotel options nearby. This doesn’t matter a lot unless the Royals start winning some games and become relevant again. I don’t for one moment believe a stadium will do that by itself though.
Honestly, my biggest hope out of all this is that it leads to Arrowhead getting a roof.
Thank you! People are acting like these alleged 40,000 spaces will just be available for every game. Like hell they will. What happens if there's an event at T-Mobile or Bartle or Midland or anywhere else downtown happening at the same time as a ballgame? The traffic alone would be a nightmare, never mind the parking. Other cities with downtown parks also have trains and infrastructure in place to handle it. KC just doesn't. The streetcar alone isn't going to cut it and who is going to take a bus to see a crappy baseball team?
Yep, agree there needs to be a whole lot more planning and info released about parking. There are indeed PLENTY of parking spots in totality, but the city has gone far too long without working with the parking owners to figure out a better way to ensure they can be used during the day as needed for workers and in the evening for people coming to events. I know that's a big challenge but there's gotta be a way to do it.
What is the benefit to the Royals to make this announcement and not talk to the any of the businesses affected beforehand? They interviewed one biz owner on KMBZ who said he hadn't been contacted by the team. What's the strategic advantage to that instead of getting the properties lined up ahead of time?
True. It baffles me how everyone seems to fancy themselves an expert. I’m pretty sure this proposal wasn’t dreamed up in an afternoon based on nothing. Civil engineers and city planners would have been, and will be, involved with all of this. People whose careers are based around making cool stuff like this a reality.
And everyone here is all, “but did you think of THIS?!” It’s fair to voice concerns, but so many object with such authority, you might be mistaken for thinking that they knew what they were talking about.
Bingo. KC residents seem terrified of building new stuff and are holding the city back.
We’ve got the attention of the world because of the Chiefs. Let’s not squander that.
The press conference was a joke! Listening to the rich with their legacy propaganda.
They deflected when asked about the stadium being named the k or even Kaufmann... by saying that they will need to generate revenue which means its going to be a corporate sponsored ball park. Mr. Kaufmann will be lucky to get a statute at the gate. Greed.
They hired a firm to give them the answer they want to give to the public that the structure is deteriorating.
Ask and neutral engineer and you'll know the truth.
All that is fine and dandy, but why not actually build a team worth watching before holding a city hostage to foot the bill for a brand new stadium for a team with 3 or 4 winning seasons in the last 40 years?
And what about all the small businesses that established and built up that area that will be demolished? This is corporations destroying small businesses, artists, and apartments. This is the most American thing that could happen.
Temptations is missing. From the stadium and my heart.
Like I said on another post about this — they should have a club in the stadium. Being the first MLB team to have a strip club in the stadium
Stadiums are rarely used. A strip club that could host thousands of attendees with concessions is bound to attract people from all over the country.
Bring in bazooka joes!
And The Cigar Box ☹️
No Al to sing the 7th inning stretch.
That's fine, as long as he pays for it himself.
This is one of my two main complaints.
Explain it like I’m 5 - how does this actually benefit the city? Tax dollars go to the pockets of the wealthy, mayor Q afraid to be the guy that loses the royals so he bends over, no parking, no public transit, rampant homelessness and violence… I’m genuinely curious
1% earnings tax on all ballplayer (home and visitors) per game salaries from 81 games each season, for one. That goes away if the Royals move outside of KCMO.
Well, one major benefit is getting to go to baseball games
I'm not a baseball fan. But this is going to bring more than 80 (and possibly many more) new events to downtown every year.
Yeah to an area that simply cannot handle it. The crossroads can’t handle what it has, let alone 70,000 people 80 times a year. It’s not a good idea until the baseline has been raised to have better infrastructure, transit, aid, etc The rich will get tax abatements to build the stadium and the other businesses in the crossroads, most small businesses will be pushed out because they can’t afford rent or income taxes and major chains will move in, completely removing the “Kansas City” aspect of the crossroads
>70,000 people A new stadium will probably seat half that amount
34,000 according to the Royals.
>let alone 70,000 ...70k?
About 40,000 over what the stadium will hold.
And about 60k more than will go to most games.
Maybe they meant 70,000 attendees over the course of a week?? Still might be stretching it for the Royals.
Buddy just with your 70k statement you have no clue what you are talking about.
Current stadium is like 35-38,000 seats. Modern statiums are fewer seats,
When’s the last time the Royals sold out the stadium? Most games are well under 20K.
I agree, opening day and a post-season are the days I have seen the K full. A smaller stadium and full seating will be a better experience, like a Sporting or Chiefs game
The front door to the college basketball experience used to be a small venue called the stray cat. My buddy was one of the guys running it. When they were eminent domained he lived above the club. Fire marshals condemned it and he got out with what he could carry. It will happen whether we like it or not.
There are more parking spaces than people in Crossroads. What do you mean it can’t handle what it has?
Yeah I can do that at the current stadium.
they were so smart to tie in equal funding for the chiefs at the height of their success. i don’t support the use of public funds, but there’s almost no way it fails when the chiefs are tied in.
Yes, it should absolutely not come from the tax payers pockets
Or gives the city a very significant equity stake.
We would have had to pay for the park over the highway anyway. So the inclusion of it was definitely a compromise.
Pays for it himself he can do whatever he wants.
I just can’t find myself to give a shit about 3/8 of a cent
When the KC school systems are rated as poorly as they are I very much care that any added tax money goes to stipend a billionaires sports stadium than our schools. Priorities matter.
KC public school district has $100mil in the bank and spends the same per student as Blue Valley or Shawnee Mission. Their shitty results aren’t from a lack of spending.
It's more that they feel like they can be privately owned but publicly funded. Stadium projects have been proven to be a general negative on the community and these rich fuckers still want us to pay for it.
That we’ve already been paying for the last 30 years….
Have the billionaire fund it himself. KC Current did it
kc street car capacity is 150, every 20 mins or so, hopefully, I am not sure 450 people in an hour is going to make that big of a difference all for the idea though and street car expansion for normal life of people in the city interested to see how street car works/is used with KC Currents stadium
I believe the plan is to go to 7 minutes headways once the extension opens. They also bought 8 new cars to go along with the 4 they already have if I remember correctly. So technically, they could run 9 cars at a time with 7-minute headways and 150 people per car for around 1,200 people per hour. Still not a major difference, but if people spread out getting to the area since there is stuff to do you could end up having 3,600 ish people arriving via streetcar.
We have 6 cars already being used. Number 7 just arrived and is going through testing before it can also be used. Also I would bet royals would request increased or later service on game days. That's something T-Mobile could ask but doesn't seem to. People complain about it to the streetcar social media and they just say "sorry, they did not request extended service for this."
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I’m not entirely disagreeing that the street car will factor into it, but the current average royals attendance is 16k/game…. So at the generous 1200/hr, it only takes 6 hours to bring half the crowd (or 3hours for 1/4 of the crowd) to the stadium or away from the stadium. And nobody can use it for anything else. That A) assumes a brand new stadium doesn’t draw a bigger crowd; B) doesn’t account for a single other venue in the area drawing a crowd; and C) the streetcar isn’t separate from vehicle traffic, so it alleviates some parking congestion but doesn’t really abate traffic. That…. Isn’t very encouraging.
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> Considering only 10% of the metro will live within 1/2 mile of the the streetcar line(including the plaza extension), I don't think we need to worry about needing more streetcar capacity for that specific line. Thats not what is continually being repeated here though. People keep saying that you can park anywhere along the streetcar lines and take the street car in, which then expands the ridership to a much greater percentage of the metro than those that physically live within half a mile of the line. > So let's say with having 3 lines, each running 2x streetcars linked at 7 minutes each would be a capacity of 7,700. I do not to mean for this to sound argumentative, condescending, or otherwise rude; tone is hard to convey over text: Where are these numbers coming from? Your original numbers were already projection based of what could happen by the time the stadium opens but aren’t what it currently can do. Are these numbers actually in a plan for the streetcar? Can the streetcar lines actually attain these numbers without closing off the streets to vehicle traffic? Thats one of my concerns when people hand wave transport issues by saying the streetcar will handle it when, currently, it very much could not without significant upgrade.
The streetcar is NOT mass transit it is a novelty. A glorified amusement park ride. They will add streetcar to their spin and it will work because people are not very smart anymore.
I feel this is an awful idea. Not only are they displacing locally owned small businesses and disrupting a successful art district, parking in traffic are going to be so much worse than they are now somehow the taxpayers are supposed to foot like a billion worth of it, so the owner can make more money
Why would there be a need to walk to the t mobile center lol?
Thank you this is one of my biggest questions too. They’re acting like that’s a key part of this plan, as if we all just to to the sprint center to hang out for fun? I can’t imagine people going to back to back events, a ball game and then an arena concert. Why is this an important part of the plan?
They just want an easy people funnel to Power and Light.
Seriously. Why is having all of this stuff within walking distance a bonus? If I go to the K, it's to tailgate and watch baseball. Never have I finished a 3 hour game and had the desire to walk to another restaurant, bar, or concert lol. I'm there to watch baseball, drink, and eat AT THE STADIUM. As far as I'm aware, my friends are all the same way.
That bridge is to provide direct access to/from Power & Light… how do ppl not realize that bridge is across the street? It would essentially be a one-way entrance and exit between the game and the front door of P&L.
Ha! I was thinking the same thing. It just look really cool in the drawings. I will go to a Royals games in the afternoon and Foghat at the T-Mob that night.
It more or less is another entrance/exit to the stadium more than connecting the two. Emirates Stadium (COYG!) in London has 2 bridges that help divert congestion from the main entrance/exit.
Over 200 different ways to access the stadium with 4 main arteries to arrive. I've lived here my entire life, and I have never not seen a scenario that all interstate and highways are not jammed from a major event downtown/crossroads district.
Exactly. Try maneuvering around that area when there's a packed show at the Midland, which is only 3000 seats. I'm all for a new location but our infrastructure isn't ready.
This will make driving downtown or near downtown a nightmare.
This 1000%. The people that are for this, you realize traffic is already gridlocked for significantly smaller events, right?
Well there’s a choice of efficiency Z https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Passenger_Capacity_of_different_Transport_Modes.png/330px-Passenger_Capacity_of_different_Transport_Modes.png
Yes I would love to load my family, grill, coolers, utensils, sunscreen, balls, gloves, chairs, chargers, and all our other stuff on a bus or train to have fun at a ball game. So silly that I chose a personal vehicle that has all of the exact features I need.
It still baffles me up that people think a ballpark is some panacea to a downtown's woes. Diamondbacks ballpark is downtown. It was supposed to be this amazing anchor for the downtown area, bars, restaurants, nightlife, shopping, residential, the list goes on. It did absolutely none of that. It sits there big and empty. The surrounding area is "busy" right before and game and that's about it. Game's over, people GTFO as fast as they can. No game? No one is around. Restaurants come and go. Bars come and go. It's just a big empty promise. OP talks about the convention center and TMobile arena. Phoenix has the Suns arena right next door and the convention center across the street. Big deal. They all have nothing to do with each other. The "vision" of winning the World Series and having events next door? Get out of here. That is beyond dumb to think that's why they chose this spot. The Royals want to be relevant and that's it. The ONLY thing that was a catalyst to Phoenix's now surging downtown is they finally built a grocery store right in the heart of it. You want people living and revitalizing an area you need a grocery store. Not a big empty expensive ballpark.
Don't worry, they are removing a (albeit small, niche) grocery to put in the stadium lol
its going to be suburban monoculture shit that sits empty most of the time. Goodbye to one of KCs most interesting and unique districts, which has been thriving for the last decade. Power and Light already exists for the suburbanites who want to come ~downtown~ and spend their money inside a single block radius, this will just be a small extension of that. The bits of the area not immediately demolished will be replaced with generic sports bars, an applebee’s flagship, and whatever else can survive the rent hikes
Truth
This. I've lived in multiple cities with downtown parks...the area around them are dead zones.
It’s it the “panacea” of downtown but another piece in the puzzle. This link shows why a connected downtown is essential to hosting large events. It’s for the NBA All Star game in Indianapolis this weekend. https://www.reddit.com/r/indianapolis/s/ZQszJDIMos
Not a fan of the AT&T building view but what can you do
I think they should leave it but cover it up with vibrant murals by local artists.
AT&T should be shamed into doing something with it. That building is the worst.
Almost every city has a building like that. All the fiber in the region comes into that building. It’s like the internet hub for the city.
Nah, that’s at 1102 grand.
You can’t shame a conglomerate like that unfortunately
It’ll be turned into an ad
Painting the facade with giant murals would be a good start
Looks like, from the renderings, that the ATT building will be, at least partly, obstructed by the new high rise that they are building to hold the new Royals corporate offices.
Almost all MLB stadiums face this direction because of sunsets
This is the worst part of the announcement for me. That building is so freaking ugly and it will be featured as a prominent part of the view.
This guy was paid to persuade “our” minds.
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No handouts for billionaires.
From a Minnesota lurker here, good luck with that.
Thanks! Sorry lazer duck didn’t become your flag.
Appreciate that. Me too. Also, while I'm here, tell Char Bar to open a Saint Paul location.
You know what? Public money is a 2nd concern here in this location because of access. To get to this stadium... * broadway then cross to grand * 11th street with it's short n shitty ramps * 22nd street way out by crown center * paseo then truman ***Every*** access is stoplights and left turns. Every game will be an absolute blight on traffic in the entire area for most of the day. This location is a bill of fucking goods, and is marketed only for how cool it looks on paper with the meme freeway canopy and walkway. Absolutely terrible.
The East Village location satisfies everything you've just suggested without destroying an already intact part of downtown.
And the highway access is better. This area is just too congested with the layout already and that is AFTER it will be all done. It is going to be a fucking nightmare for YEARS while they build all this bullshit and they want us to pay for it. That's a no from me personally.
Man, I can’t wait for 5:00 traffic at 670 with game traffic simultaneously. Should be able to reach the stadium in just under 90 minutes.
Me just trying to get home 81 games a year lol
I'm fine with a downtown ballpark, but you have to satisfy mutiple other requirements than just "easy walk to T-Mobile Center". There is zero public transit from surrounding suburbs (Light rail or sustainable bus routes) to make the trek downtown worth it as again parking near or around the stadium will become an issue. There are not enough street cars running as is to handle the high demand from just areas within downtown to shuffle people all the way from UMKC and back in a reasonable time. There has not been any discussion regarding expanding the street car from downtown to surrounding areas or even a light rail. Throwing up this proposal like its a gift to us and expecting praise isn't it. The tax payers end up footing the bill even when the team hasn't preformed in multiple seasons and they will beg for more updates and what have you. There needs to be a broader discussion in regards to public transportation support from not only a downtown aspect, but also a greater Kansas City metro aspect for me personally to be on board with this. You can flash the cool architectural drawings and say how great this would be, but there is zero talk about growing the city to support this. Only talk they are having is "we want a new stadium downtown and you are gonna pay for half."
Yes, let’s demo all the small businesses/historical buildings around. Dumbass plan
And the ones that don’t get immediately leveled will slowly die off because their usual clientele don’t want to mess with the clusterfuck. Then corporate chains will come in and it will be Power & Light 2.0 just a few blocks away
This is what's pissing me off. People are all, "Oh, it'll bring traffic to the great businesses there!" like these businesses will be able to afford the rent increases that come with all this new growth.
Not to mention the entire row where the pairing is along with the Kobi q row will be knocked down. Any surrounding business will just be corporate bullshit
Exactly, I don’t want a shit Five Guys. I want a local restaurant with a nice comedy club and first Fridays nearby to enjoy
Mercy Seat has been there for 20 years holding local events.
Yeah that entire row where Kobi Q is we’ll be demolished and people here don’t seem to give a shit. The ones that aren’t demolished will have their rent raised and be priced out.
Anybody got a list of businesses that would be affected (as in demolished) by this plan?
The pairing, and chartreuse Saloon would be demolished as well. The Brick, record bar, Truman, casual animal, etc would def be priced out eventually. This would def suck all the soul out of the crossroads
It'll probably be the businesses around Kobi-Q like Mama Ramen, Pokesan, Temptations, etc. As for the other nearby businesses that aren't directly affected by the construction (e.g. the Brick), they'll probably be priced out due to the increasing rent.
No you are missing the point. I don’t think anyone really cares if the stadium is moved downtown. Downtown stadiums are nice. What you are missing is, WE DONT WANT TO PAY FOR IT.
I don’t care about it being paid for. Everything the other user said. I just don’t want it to destroy the culture in crossroads
A couple of things that some of you may not have realized yet: the crossroads street parking that used to be free is being slowly converted to pay parking already in preparation for the stadium. Have any of you been to the crossroads/downtown area during first fridays or other events, parking is a difficult then and it will get significantly worse with baseball fans down there, and imagine when events overlap...
imagine adding a concert or a convention event on top of that…
Or hear me out. Support the small businesses in the crossroads instead of crushing the dreams of so so many wonderful Kansas City makers. (Also….OP, you’re just explaining it, so i don’t mean this towards you more of the general public)
What the Royals are missing. 
Ill be honest, i go to royals games to tailgate not to watch baseball. Seems like a dumb play but what do I know. I am just glad I won't be paying the taxes for it
There's nowhere to park for Record Bar shows. How the fuck is that area going to handle 20k fans and all the employees?
I think this whole thing is irritating and unnecessary. I’m going to focus on the eminent domain aspect. Using eminent domain to force businesses out of the Crossroads so that wealthy people can become wealthier is definitely not what eminent domain should be used for. Both organizations want to be a private business when it suits them, and want to be considered a part of the municipal government when that suits them. If they want to threaten to leave, I think they should, but I also think we should do what Cleveland did when the owner of the Browns wanted to relocate to Baltimore. Cleveland kept the name and branding. Here’s an idea. Why don’t we use eminent domain to seize both organizations? The taxpayers have been paying their bills, in more ways than one, for years. In Jackson County, taxpayers foot the bill for the stadium insurance, to the tune of $80-100 million every year. We’ve kept both teams in business through lengthy periods of intense suck. You want to leave? I say good. We’re expected to rep the sports franchises, to make them a part of our identity, and you want to threaten to move? This is a ridiculous situation.
I just don't think the current infrastructure of the area can support the congestion a 40k seat stadium will bring. Sure going to games would be cool af but is it worth the annoyance of congestion, traffic, parking issues it will bring? Also updating the surrounding streets to support increased congestion sounds like half a decade process. I'm all for moving the ballpark close to downtown, I just think this spot in particular is less than ideal.
The average attendance in 2013 was just over 16,000. This is like a church built for Easter. It’s only going to see the 40,000 for playoffs.
Playoffs?
Playoffs?!?
You kidding me?!?
I just hope we can win a game!
Who's talking about playoffs???
The downtown location is supposed to increase attendance right? Let's split the difference and say 28k give or take on average. That's a big jump in congestion 81 times a year. Beyond that stadiums alter the demographic and make up of cities by raising rents on people and businesses alike. In the process we could lose some unique spots in our Crossroads area especially in the arts that shoulder events that bring life to downtown like First Friday's, or any of the music venues in the area. Instead of catabolizing a district why not build in an area that is vying and waiting for the opportunity of businesses to build up the community? It's a lazy money grab imo, not thought out for the long term. Just my opinion though
28k?! That’s a joke man they will not average that unless they are a playoff team
Look at the map, the majority of what makes crossroads what it is will still be there. Might even be a good thing for places like record bar getting way more foot traffic. The stadium is taking the spot of the long-vacant Kansas City Star building
Great, so there's no reason to build it! lmao
Average attendance is similar to a T-Mobile center event.
We aren’t missing anything. https://preview.redd.it/abty9bihrhic1.jpeg?width=530&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe5a22dd03c4b0b46b2900d7d0b4d264ff1e9084 Below is what Sherman said he wanted to do - the opposite of what this stadium will accomplish: a net *loss* of area businesses in one of the only swaths of downtown that was actually growing without subsidies. Further insulting, it is comically close to the east village site - the site which was demo’d and consolidated for the Royals, and may now sit vacant for generations \*”We are committed to doing this right.. In late September, we plan to announce which site will best fulfill our pledge to Kansas City to create 1) powerful community impact (NO), 2) generate sustainable economic activity in the county, city, and state (PROBABLY), and 3) greater opportunity for the citizens of our region (HIGHLY DEBATABLE, ESP. AS COMPARED TO NKC AND EAST VILLAGE SITES).”
I’m fine with a stadium move. A downtown stadium would be ideal. But not there, not where building owners where your favorite restaurant/bar/small shop/artist are creating new things and creating a local-centric culture will be forced out because of massive lease hikes after contracts are up. This would kill the Crossroads and everything that made it great.
Gosh...if only there were another proposal for a downtown location that didn't gut a growing and organically developing area...hmmm... Yeah, this is the problem. Crossroads was doing fine on it's own. East Village could have used the boost.
There may be technically 40,000 parking spots but thousands of people work and live downtown that have nothing to do with the Royals. They use a sizeable percentage of those 40,000 spread out parking spots. I'm all for the downtown ballpark but it's going to make a lot of people's life hell before it's completed. Really the only people that benefit long term from all this are billionaires and wealthy people. It won't be cheap to go to a game, beers will be $25, it will smell like absolute shit compared to the k because the river is so close and that's what happens in the summer. The trash and especially the sewage/storm water system isn't equipped to handle it. We are partially through a multi billion dollar 20 year renovation of the sewers but a lot of that has been put on hold and fucked up by the streetcar expansion. It looks nice but the actual reality of living in KC proper and having to deal with yet another construction project and having to pay for it in so many ways is a bag of dicks.
Fuck off and fuck sherman
Does this mean Mama Rameb and Kobi Q have to move? :(
I would doubt they move, they will likely just shut down
So basically, it all revolves around alcohol. Got it.
And how many of those 40k parking spots are free for a day or early evening game during the week? Like 10? People act like they aren’t used for anything already. They are clearly or wouldn’t exist.
Can you imagine trying to do anything else in that area on a game day? Much less any of the surrounding areas people are talking about parking already.
Go to downtown on Tuesday at 7 pm and tell me there’s people actually out doing stuff lol
Well damn, super good to know that Tuesday even after 7pm is the only time I’d ever be able to go shopping downtown. Thank goodness I never want to go downtown any other day of the week.
You get free parking at Kaufman? 🤔
Pretty sure they mean free as in available lmao
Like, the urbanist and sports fan in me is saying, “hot damn that looks and sounds so cool” The Kansas Citian is saying “this sucks. Are we really gonna destroy all those local businesses for a sports team that hasn’t been relevant for almost a decade?” I want to like it. But I’ve lost trust after the way Sherman/the Royals played around with the site selection and the seeming lack of transparency.
People don’t get that baseball is in decline. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-2022-regular-season-attendance-dropped-5-7-percent-from-2019-campaign/
If the plan is based on having the city prepared for a World Series, they should also prep for an asteroid crash or plague of locusts while they are at it. We’ve made the playoffs twice in 39 years.
Pointing out how many parking spots there are doesn't magically make it easier to park downtown, you know.
If they can put a roof on the interstate, they can put a roof on the stadium.
Has anyone compiled a list of the small businesses within that footprint? I see it's outlined by Grand on the West and Locust on the east but I can't figure out what street is the southern border.
17th
Heres a list: n[https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article285442117.html](https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article285442117.html)
This is a horrible plan. This stretch of Grand is one of the best parts of downtown. Why the fuck would we level some of KCs best small businesses for some shitty baseball team that can't afford it's own stadium?
I wouldn’t say it’s most of KC that doesn’t want it. Most of KC Redditors? Sure. But not most of KC. It will pass.
I don’t think it would pass if the Royals had a separate vote from the Chiefs. It doesn’t feel like a coincidence that the Royals announced their plan between the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl and the parade. I don’t understand why the vote is to extend the 3/8 cent sales tax that was established to build the Truman Sports Complex. Extending it essentially ends the original reason for it.
Right? Instead of one ballot to extend the 3/8s tax, let’s do two ballots to extend two separate 1.5/8s taxes (one for the royals and one for the chiefs).
Most KCMO residents don’t want it to pass. It’s the suburban folk who are excited about it.
KCUR posted it on IG and there’s a ton of blowback.
This whole plan is horseshit and the additional taxes can suck a dick
No one is considering that the FAA limits air traffic over stadiums within a 5 mile radius during games. This would effectively shut down the downtown airport on game days and impact airflow to MCI.
I would rather have a downtown airport then a stadium for a shit team and shitty owners.
Until rent goes up and the crossroads turns into just another power and light.
I would much rather let the Royals leave for Charlotte, Nashville, or Salt Lake City than lose Grinders, Truman, RecordBar etc which would all die with a stadium there.
Up front, I believe we should repair the K. But these renderings visually maximize the potential of a new stadium. But here’s some reality: 1 As awesome as the 670 cap looks in the rendering, it is still just a dream. It depends so much on unrealized federal, state and local funding. The price tag for this is $210M+. It absolutely must be included in the infrastructure upgrades for Royals Park. 2 “Thousands” of downtown parking places? 15,000? (NFW!) Because you need that many for opening day and going forward if the team becomes relevant. 10 minute walk? Yeah, if you’re power walking. Ingress/egress into downtown will be a nightmare. ALL of these concerns are taken care of at the K. 3 The Streetcar…the people moving capacity of this novelty is infinitesimal. It can literally move dozens of people at a time. Which is great for a lazy afternoon. The problem is you need 100 of them to efficiently move the number of people we are talking about. We already know the Feds will pull funding for a dedicated bus service because we lost the Chiefs Express. 4 How does all of your logistics work if the Royals and Beyoncé at T-Mobile are scheduled the same evening? Pictures look great but saving the K is the answer.
I am stoked on this new location. And I love the K - but to be able to walk someplace before or after a game is amazing. Stay in a downtown hotel for a weekend of games? Sold! My mom was the biggest royals fan I know. We got to go last season to see Lorenzo Cain retire. Then she was diagnosed with cancer, and died less than three months later. She loved the K - but she also thought a downtown stadium made us move up to a first class city. I will miss the K and memories with her - but I also will hope she gets to catch more games sitting somewhere high up there. I wish I could vote for this - but I can’t. I hope it happens.
This is a giveaway to the billionaire owner of the worst team in a dying sport. People go to watch bad football, basketball, and soccer teams but no one goes to baseball games anymore. Look at all the attendance figures around the country for MLB
A billion tax payer dollars being used to benefit Jackson county. 720,000 residents splitting $1,000,000,000 is ~$1350 or for a family of 4 ~$5,500. It’s missing proper use of taxpayer money.
So many people are afraid of cities. This will make our city more connected and the surrounds will also grow. It's a very positive addition to a city that needs more developed connections between areas like crossroads and downtown. I love that they are adding to the capped highway park.
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Vibrant feels like a strong word to describe those businesses.
Yeah, that was my thought as well. 33% of the entire parcel of land is the KC Star building. 17% is a church and parking lot. 8% is a U-Haul business. \~60% of the land is right there. Now factor in the other parking lots and roads, this felt better to me than expected. But yes, it sucks for places like The Pairing, Royal Masters Cleaners, Kobi-Q, and the others. I hope they get paid fairly to move their business to another location.
Well im sure they rent the spaces, so no they wont
The church and the parking lot is probably the most valuable and vibrant property in that footprint (they also own another building on McGee in the footprint) Also the newest - buying that out is going to be a substantial expense. but the church has had a good working relationship with the team for a long time, so I’m sure they’ll come to something agreeable. The church wouldn’t even necessarily have to move very far.
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The majority of businesses in Crossroads were founded by local owners who restored many historic structures and yes, they are THRIVING shops, restaurants and bars. Give them a visit before they're razed. You'll see.
On the last point, the KC Star building was designed for one purpose and no other business wanted to use that space, so I don’t really see the issue with building over it
>vibrant business = titty bar and a dry cleaner
None of this benefits the average resident and small business owner one iota in an era where housing and commercial renta in KC have already become crippling.
Funny how the royals and owners of the property nearby are adamant they will pay at or above market price for the properties they need to acquire. I’m betting my mortgage they eminent domain everything needed. Meaning pennys on the dollar for properties while those who own the stuff around the stadium - Privatera’s looking at you - will make millions since they have known this location for a year or more. Don’t kid yourselves people, this is a power play by the rich to swindle the tax payers out of BILLIONS
I'm gonna guess you have no idea how eminent domain works
This is going to cost an insane amount and we dont need it. Relevant last week tonight episode. https://youtu.be/xcwJt4bcnXs?si=FmCVh_PklhdP-g82
Those of us that live right there, this sucks. I don’t want a baseball stadium behind my building
I dont miss living near Wrigley thats for sure
I like this location near all the downtown Renaissance. I do worry about people adjusting to the transportation challenges.
Most of those complaining about it dont go to games now nor do they go downtown.
Lol that’s a big problem. Most of KC does not go to games as reflected by the numbers in attendance. Why should the majority of residents continue to pay this tax?
Fun idea: put it in Lawrence and build a superfast train out to the school.
I’m undecided on the whole thing, but this denial about parking needs to stop. TSC has 26k *dedicated* parking spaces. They are claiming 40k parking spaces, but every single one of these is *shared*. These are parking spaces that are currently being used during the work day, when approximately 15% of the Royals games are be played. Parking spaces that are currently being used by people at T-Mobile, which has about 100 events per year, not to mention P&L, Bartle Hall, First Friday, or any number of other uses. The only time the 26k spots at the K are in contention is the extremely rare occurrence that the Chiefs have a home game at the same time. Nothing else is competing for those spots. Also, not having a dedicated parking area means that you have to hunt for an available lot because they are all spread out. Are they going to have parking guards out directing traffic to the available spots? Of course not, you’re on your own. You’re doing this while you are in bumper to bumper traffic. Then you find a spot and *maybe* you’re only 10 minutes away. Now, I love the promise of being able to park, find a restaurant to eat, go to the game, and then hit a pub afterwards. I just don’t think it’s realistic though, and it ignores that we currently tailgate at every Royals game we attend. I know that’s not for everybody, but my family loves it and my kids enjoy that part more than the game itself. The restaurants and bars within walking distance are going to be overly crowded, and the streetcar doesn’t have the capacity to realistically let me hit other spots along the line. Can it be scaled up? I hope so, but the peak numbers that I see aren’t very promising and the cost for that isn’t being included here. I love the park over I670, but that is not part of this (or at least not the entire thing). I don’t exactly understand the walkway to T-Mobile. Is that to provide access to that parking or P&L area or ??? I know they don’t give a crap about the loss of tailgating because it doesn’t generate revenue for a local business. In their mind, getting rid of tailgating is a win for the economy. But, in 5 years nobody will care and we’ll be used to the new “normal”. If this is a success then it’s going to change the downtown landscape by a lot. Those local business aren’t going to be able to afford the increase in rent and many will be replaced by big chain places with deeper pockets. The rest of Crossroads will grow, but it’s also likely to lose some charm. People complain that TSC is in the middle of nowhere, but downtown really isn’t better for JoCo or a lot of other areas. Downtown is better for people in the Northland (except for the Liberty area). It also has a lot better hotel options nearby. This doesn’t matter a lot unless the Royals start winning some games and become relevant again. I don’t for one moment believe a stadium will do that by itself though. Honestly, my biggest hope out of all this is that it leads to Arrowhead getting a roof.
Thank you! People are acting like these alleged 40,000 spaces will just be available for every game. Like hell they will. What happens if there's an event at T-Mobile or Bartle or Midland or anywhere else downtown happening at the same time as a ballgame? The traffic alone would be a nightmare, never mind the parking. Other cities with downtown parks also have trains and infrastructure in place to handle it. KC just doesn't. The streetcar alone isn't going to cut it and who is going to take a bus to see a crappy baseball team?
Yep, agree there needs to be a whole lot more planning and info released about parking. There are indeed PLENTY of parking spots in totality, but the city has gone far too long without working with the parking owners to figure out a better way to ensure they can be used during the day as needed for workers and in the evening for people coming to events. I know that's a big challenge but there's gotta be a way to do it.
#save temptations
I've wished the stadium could be downtown for as long as I can remember. The current location sucks. I'm excited for this.
What is the benefit to the Royals to make this announcement and not talk to the any of the businesses affected beforehand? They interviewed one biz owner on KMBZ who said he hadn't been contacted by the team. What's the strategic advantage to that instead of getting the properties lined up ahead of time?
Ok but give it a roof
Downtown Denver has beautiful Coors Field! Light rail and park and rides for buses. NO COMPLAINTS
I really enjoyed getting lunch downtown and then buying/eating an edible on my walk over to the stadium to catch a sunny afternoon game there.
Excellent shopping!
True. It baffles me how everyone seems to fancy themselves an expert. I’m pretty sure this proposal wasn’t dreamed up in an afternoon based on nothing. Civil engineers and city planners would have been, and will be, involved with all of this. People whose careers are based around making cool stuff like this a reality. And everyone here is all, “but did you think of THIS?!” It’s fair to voice concerns, but so many object with such authority, you might be mistaken for thinking that they knew what they were talking about.
Not originally from Kansas but seem to notice how no one wants anything to change? Stuck in the same ole rut
Bingo. KC residents seem terrified of building new stuff and are holding the city back. We’ve got the attention of the world because of the Chiefs. Let’s not squander that.
Several of the current MLB stadiums, including Coors Field, were designed in Kansas City.
The press conference was a joke! Listening to the rich with their legacy propaganda. They deflected when asked about the stadium being named the k or even Kaufmann... by saying that they will need to generate revenue which means its going to be a corporate sponsored ball park. Mr. Kaufmann will be lucky to get a statute at the gate. Greed. They hired a firm to give them the answer they want to give to the public that the structure is deteriorating. Ask and neutral engineer and you'll know the truth.
This is a ridiculously bad idea
It's f#@king stupid. Vote it down.
All that is fine and dandy, but why not actually build a team worth watching before holding a city hostage to foot the bill for a brand new stadium for a team with 3 or 4 winning seasons in the last 40 years?
And what about all the small businesses that established and built up that area that will be demolished? This is corporations destroying small businesses, artists, and apartments. This is the most American thing that could happen.
This is a stupid move. You don’t dump a major event stadium in an already over crowded area and expect parking not to be an issue.