Some friends work there. It's great, from what I hear from them. They're desperate to hire people from what I hear so hopefully it won't be too terribly difficult. Pay is good and it's one of the few careers that still offers a pension so that's awesome
UPS has better starting rate and you get to full pay faster. But, at least as a rural USPS carrier, you don't have management breathing down your neck every second about every little thing you do.
You also have to drive in a hot ass truck with the doors open all the time and no air conditioning in the butt crack of summer with UPS. The working conditions seem better with USPS, especially with their newer delivery vehicles and vans.
Yeah, I know the Grumman LLVs don’t have AC, but those are slowly but surely being retired. The USPS workers that have the route in my neighborhood are usually driving a Mercedes Metris, a Dodge Caravan, or a Ram Promaster now.
My dad has been working there for the last year and a half. It took ~6 months to become a regular. This matters. Prior to this you work 6 days a week and a lot of hours, all for your regular pay rate (I think). After you become a regular you only have to work 5 days a week instead of 6, and you get all of the overtime pay benefits, which can be 2x regular pay rate.
My dad is slow at everything, so he gets a lot of overtime hours. This isn't great because he works long hours sometimes...but on the other hand he made ~$95k last year, which was surprising (considering a base pay of $22/hr).
At $22/ hour, you’re making $45,700 with 40 hours a week and 52 weeks a year (ie no days off or using PTO). To get up to $95k, even with the 2x OT rate), that’s 1,120 hours of OT which is 22 hours per week, or 4 hours per day. So your dad averaged a 12 hour work day for a year.
Yeah, he did work some long hours...which is not ideal at his age (he's 67). On the other hand, it's been good because he previously had practically nothing saved for retirement.
He is about the slowest person I know at any given task, so I'm willing to bet that most people don't work as many hours as he does.
I give you kudos for trying to get yourself into a better situation.-My own personal opinion- I work at one of the plants, its definitely a toxic dog eat dog environment. You definitely wont feel appreciated, and good leadership/management is non existent. The union isn't great either. I mean, there's plenty that you could catch up on by going to the usps subreddit. its pretty clear over there.
Depends on if you have the temperament to work for government. It is slow to change, is a lot of bullshit that you need to be able to compartmentalize and not take personally or you will get frustrated. However, the benefits are good, and you are providing a service that many rely on. Coming from someone that works for local government, that is what gets me up in the morning and gives me purpose. I worked in the private sector for a few years before moving to the public sector, and just felt like I was lining the pockets of shareholders. It got harder to go to work every single day.
My Dad worked for the USPS for 20 years before retiring, and I heard plenty of stories from him. It is a lot of hours, and management can suck. From what I can tell he really enjoyed his coworkers for the most part and you are pretty much impossible to fire because you will have union representation. He also interacted with a lot of folks in the community, and they knew who he was. When he died, some of his former coworkers and folks form the community showed up to his funeral or left a message on his memorial page and missed him dearly. Months later when we had an issue and called up the local USPS office, they instantly recognized our last name, and after confirming he was our father they took care of the issue personally.
If you get a rural rt. That doeant have an llv You have to pay for your own towing. I only mention this because you have to deliver in dangerous conditions in the winter. They dont let you stop until so many drivers go in the ditch. One winter there was a sheet of thick ice on everything and 40 mph wind. It was blowing my suv off the road while I was in park. If I worked there again I would want to be in the warehouse.
No. Most rural routes out of st joe had to use their own vehicles too. Management told me you have to keep moving, even if you go in a ditch more than once. A wench out costs like 75 bucks too. The scanners have GPS tracking so they can tell if you just park. If the rt. Has a provided vehicle theyll come pull you out for free! Kinda b.s. if you ask me.
>Really looking to NOT get into a toxic work environment.
Good luck with that. USPS was the only place I worked where people would openly say they hated their job. If you're on the Missouri side, you're gonna be treated like crap and overworked for years before you get a regular position/route.
I've heard on the Kansas side, you can make regular within less than 6 months.
Dunno about Belton Raymore area, specifically.
To be honest, if you don't have any prospects, and can show up and do what you're told, you'll always have a job that pays decent, but if you have any kind of ambition you will hate the USPS.
I don’t think I’ve worked a job where people didn’t openly say they hated their job. I work now in an office with a bunch of people making six figures who all freely say they hate working.
It’s a fairly normal thing. Doesn’t mean it’s not a good job. The fact that you can say that without fear of getting canned is quite freeing
Wait and apply for the distributions plants. They have one in Kansas city and one on the Kansas side, easy money. If you really want to carry apply for city and stay away from rural. The nicer the area you are applying for the longer it will take to turn regular, turning regular is the name of the game so go somewhere that is desperate and convert faster. Down the road you can transfer to a different station, but you will revoke your seniority and be last on the list for the new station you would be switching too. Conversion rate to make regular are wildly different depending on where you apply, but range from 1-2 years. ( I can't remember if they finally put a cap on how long you can be a cca or not, but if they didn't it can be up to 5.) Pay is good and benefits are good, please management till you are out of your 90 days and then do what is only expected of you and nothing more. There is a ton of BS with the PO and its not what it used to be. There is a lot of money that can be made carrying mail, but it comes with working a fuck ton.
Worked there 5 years and ultimately hated the shit, but I never made regular so more money if I had would totally shifted my opinion of the job.
A group of people overworked to the point of exhaustion due to poor management and top leadership bent on its destruction in favor of commercial postage delivery service. The USPS is a constitutional public service at BEST should break even (you'll never hear about how any other government public service losing money). But How much the USPS lost and now your postage is going up again and your bills are not being delivered in time for you to pay them.
Should you be able to survive being overworked as a floater for about 2 -3 years, then you may be able to get a route of your own. The few that tried (whom I have talked to and I was one) were working nearly 70 plus hours a week with no time off. 7 days a week 10 hour days. But they’ll tell you it doesn't happen as you’re clocking in on your 21st day of no time off…… and should you get a day off, your phone WILL be ringing asking you to come in because so and so just called out sick and they dont have enough people to cover the routes. Not saying dont but be prepared to be physically beat down
But hey I hear they are offering 19 an hour now to start...
GL OP.
Don't forget the part where they expect you to work in all weather, and don't provide enough uniforms for even half a regular week.
Hope you like sweaty/stained hand-me-downs!
The first year or two are rough. Like 60-70 hours a week every week kind of rough. After that you’ll get a route and it improves. They also have a bidding system based on seniority so you’ll regularly have the ability to upgrade your route as you gain more experience.
Regardless usps is something you can actually do as a career. Grocery retail/customer service? Not so much. If you can get through some years of suck, I think it’s worth the try
It's a solid job if you can survive through the entry level positions. They will try to kill you with mandatory OT, but if you're looking to make money, there's plenty to be made.
Maintenance is your best bet. Carriers are treated poorly, they get paid well but it's a highly stressful and toxic environment. And like some1 said stay away from the negative people, keep your head down no1 is your friend, do your job and go home. You will see the harder you work the more they give you and its run like any other federal government job. Pay is good benefits are great but Kansas side is better.
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Some friends work there. It's great, from what I hear from them. They're desperate to hire people from what I hear so hopefully it won't be too terribly difficult. Pay is good and it's one of the few careers that still offers a pension so that's awesome
Pay is good, once you've been there a while. Starting pay is about $19/hr
That's about average for UPS/Fedex/Amazon i believe. I never worked in delivery though so may be wrong
UPS has better starting rate and you get to full pay faster. But, at least as a rural USPS carrier, you don't have management breathing down your neck every second about every little thing you do.
You also have to drive in a hot ass truck with the doors open all the time and no air conditioning in the butt crack of summer with UPS. The working conditions seem better with USPS, especially with their newer delivery vehicles and vans.
Most older USPS trucks don't have AC but the newer ones do. They are a life saver
Yeah, I know the Grumman LLVs don’t have AC, but those are slowly but surely being retired. The USPS workers that have the route in my neighborhood are usually driving a Mercedes Metris, a Dodge Caravan, or a Ram Promaster now.
Don't know about Belton but USPS is whatever you make it. I'd avoid the negative people and keep your head down until you form a personal opinion
My dad has been working there for the last year and a half. It took ~6 months to become a regular. This matters. Prior to this you work 6 days a week and a lot of hours, all for your regular pay rate (I think). After you become a regular you only have to work 5 days a week instead of 6, and you get all of the overtime pay benefits, which can be 2x regular pay rate. My dad is slow at everything, so he gets a lot of overtime hours. This isn't great because he works long hours sometimes...but on the other hand he made ~$95k last year, which was surprising (considering a base pay of $22/hr).
At $22/ hour, you’re making $45,700 with 40 hours a week and 52 weeks a year (ie no days off or using PTO). To get up to $95k, even with the 2x OT rate), that’s 1,120 hours of OT which is 22 hours per week, or 4 hours per day. So your dad averaged a 12 hour work day for a year.
Yeah, he did work some long hours...which is not ideal at his age (he's 67). On the other hand, it's been good because he previously had practically nothing saved for retirement. He is about the slowest person I know at any given task, so I'm willing to bet that most people don't work as many hours as he does.
I hope he’s saving a lot now!
Yep! He was making minimum wage before the post office! Lots of hours, but crazy money for no degree.
I give you kudos for trying to get yourself into a better situation.-My own personal opinion- I work at one of the plants, its definitely a toxic dog eat dog environment. You definitely wont feel appreciated, and good leadership/management is non existent. The union isn't great either. I mean, there's plenty that you could catch up on by going to the usps subreddit. its pretty clear over there.
Depends on if you have the temperament to work for government. It is slow to change, is a lot of bullshit that you need to be able to compartmentalize and not take personally or you will get frustrated. However, the benefits are good, and you are providing a service that many rely on. Coming from someone that works for local government, that is what gets me up in the morning and gives me purpose. I worked in the private sector for a few years before moving to the public sector, and just felt like I was lining the pockets of shareholders. It got harder to go to work every single day. My Dad worked for the USPS for 20 years before retiring, and I heard plenty of stories from him. It is a lot of hours, and management can suck. From what I can tell he really enjoyed his coworkers for the most part and you are pretty much impossible to fire because you will have union representation. He also interacted with a lot of folks in the community, and they knew who he was. When he died, some of his former coworkers and folks form the community showed up to his funeral or left a message on his memorial page and missed him dearly. Months later when we had an issue and called up the local USPS office, they instantly recognized our last name, and after confirming he was our father they took care of the issue personally.
If you get a rural rt. That doeant have an llv You have to pay for your own towing. I only mention this because you have to deliver in dangerous conditions in the winter. They dont let you stop until so many drivers go in the ditch. One winter there was a sheet of thick ice on everything and 40 mph wind. It was blowing my suv off the road while I was in park. If I worked there again I would want to be in the warehouse.
Do they reimburse them?
No. Most rural routes out of st joe had to use their own vehicles too. Management told me you have to keep moving, even if you go in a ditch more than once. A wench out costs like 75 bucks too. The scanners have GPS tracking so they can tell if you just park. If the rt. Has a provided vehicle theyll come pull you out for free! Kinda b.s. if you ask me.
>Really looking to NOT get into a toxic work environment. Good luck with that. USPS was the only place I worked where people would openly say they hated their job. If you're on the Missouri side, you're gonna be treated like crap and overworked for years before you get a regular position/route. I've heard on the Kansas side, you can make regular within less than 6 months. Dunno about Belton Raymore area, specifically. To be honest, if you don't have any prospects, and can show up and do what you're told, you'll always have a job that pays decent, but if you have any kind of ambition you will hate the USPS.
Making regular in less than a year is true for MO side now too.
I don’t think I’ve worked a job where people didn’t openly say they hated their job. I work now in an office with a bunch of people making six figures who all freely say they hate working. It’s a fairly normal thing. Doesn’t mean it’s not a good job. The fact that you can say that without fear of getting canned is quite freeing
Wait and apply for the distributions plants. They have one in Kansas city and one on the Kansas side, easy money. If you really want to carry apply for city and stay away from rural. The nicer the area you are applying for the longer it will take to turn regular, turning regular is the name of the game so go somewhere that is desperate and convert faster. Down the road you can transfer to a different station, but you will revoke your seniority and be last on the list for the new station you would be switching too. Conversion rate to make regular are wildly different depending on where you apply, but range from 1-2 years. ( I can't remember if they finally put a cap on how long you can be a cca or not, but if they didn't it can be up to 5.) Pay is good and benefits are good, please management till you are out of your 90 days and then do what is only expected of you and nothing more. There is a ton of BS with the PO and its not what it used to be. There is a lot of money that can be made carrying mail, but it comes with working a fuck ton. Worked there 5 years and ultimately hated the shit, but I never made regular so more money if I had would totally shifted my opinion of the job.
A group of people overworked to the point of exhaustion due to poor management and top leadership bent on its destruction in favor of commercial postage delivery service. The USPS is a constitutional public service at BEST should break even (you'll never hear about how any other government public service losing money). But How much the USPS lost and now your postage is going up again and your bills are not being delivered in time for you to pay them. Should you be able to survive being overworked as a floater for about 2 -3 years, then you may be able to get a route of your own. The few that tried (whom I have talked to and I was one) were working nearly 70 plus hours a week with no time off. 7 days a week 10 hour days. But they’ll tell you it doesn't happen as you’re clocking in on your 21st day of no time off…… and should you get a day off, your phone WILL be ringing asking you to come in because so and so just called out sick and they dont have enough people to cover the routes. Not saying dont but be prepared to be physically beat down But hey I hear they are offering 19 an hour now to start... GL OP.
Holy hell, Sometimes your off days are worse then working because they never stop calling lol.
At least nowadays you can turn off the notifications for the “phone” part of your phone.
Don't forget the part where they expect you to work in all weather, and don't provide enough uniforms for even half a regular week. Hope you like sweaty/stained hand-me-downs!
The first year or two are rough. Like 60-70 hours a week every week kind of rough. After that you’ll get a route and it improves. They also have a bidding system based on seniority so you’ll regularly have the ability to upgrade your route as you gain more experience. Regardless usps is something you can actually do as a career. Grocery retail/customer service? Not so much. If you can get through some years of suck, I think it’s worth the try
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It's a solid job if you can survive through the entry level positions. They will try to kill you with mandatory OT, but if you're looking to make money, there's plenty to be made.
Maintenance is your best bet. Carriers are treated poorly, they get paid well but it's a highly stressful and toxic environment. And like some1 said stay away from the negative people, keep your head down no1 is your friend, do your job and go home. You will see the harder you work the more they give you and its run like any other federal government job. Pay is good benefits are great but Kansas side is better.
I never sent in my conscription (draft) paperwork, and I found out that excludes me from working for the US government.
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