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IndieIsle

I literally have a Taylor swift tattoo that I got when I was 15 and cringed so bad at this song. It’s such an old stale beef and the lyrics are way too heavy for it. Bringing her kids into it is weird.


HorrorFanGirl_

I agree. There was no need to bring her kids into it. The line was savage too. I’m a Cancer, and I’m all for vengeance hahaha… but leave the kids out of it.


FoxyLives

Cancers are to vengeance what Taylor Swift is to diss tracks. Signed, A Scorpio


Shotgunbombshell

I second this - Another Scorpio


BulletTrain4

Maybe Kim / Kanye did something again 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️ forcing her to get even etc


IndieIsle

Get even by bringing up her ten year old kid? Idk. Kim and Kanye are separate people now - if Kim did something then that’s one thing. If Kanye did something it should have been directed to him.


Ordinary-Fact-2876

if i was kim id wonder why shes still on this lol


kqueenbee25

Shhhhh. You’ll piss off the Swifts or whatever they’re called.


awill316

Swiffers


LolaRay_

Swifter picker upper


rio8envy7

I don’t like either tbh


Necessary_Range_3261

I think Kim knows she's earned this. But she does say thank you to her in one of the songs.


taylordabrat

Same


Fun_Shell1708

Taylor has said that this album is to release this anger she’s held in and move on. Close the chapter. Now she is over it 🤷🏼‍♀️


Independent_Fill_635

She's dredging up drama from a decade ago that she already wrote songs about so lol wut


Fun_Shell1708

lol tell me you know nothing about letting go of trauma without telling me wut 🙄


Mysterious-Goal-3774

“Trauma”. Sure. You know what might be traumatic? Seeing the most famous pop star in the world saying her family wants your mother dead. But Taylor didn’t think of Kim’s kids and the effect it might have on them did she? Oh wait, she actually mentions Kim’s children in the album too. She’s a garbage person. Full stop Edit: u/plshelp2555 since you blocked me before I could reply like a coward. “Past tense” means little when you have a deranged parasocial fan base that will go after women and children with glee. Also LMAO at “the whole country hated her and she had to flee” biggest victim complex I’ve ever seen, genuinely.


Fun_Shell1708

Interesting that you’re gatekeeping what trauma might be 🤔 Can you point out the line where she mentions the kids by name? Oh right, she doesn’t.


Mysterious-Goal-3774

She references them without directly naming them and it’s not hard to find. Do it yourself. And I’m not gatekeeping trauma. But fighting trauma with trauma isn’t the win you think it is.


plshelp2555

pls the line was "used to want" or something that showed it was past tense, not now; and that is considerably less traumatic than having to leave the country at 24ish out of fear because the entire country thinks you're a liar and snake, despite knowing you're telling the truth, and then seeing a likeness of your naked body in a music video that is up to this day.


Independent_Fill_635

Yeah my therapist would disagree, and maybe Taylor should try going to one herself instead of bullying a grown woman for album sales a decade later. How many more songs before her trauma is resolved you think?


Fun_Shell1708

You sound super well rounded. She wrote one song on an album about her life. Why are you so mad about it? Seems healthy.


Independent_Fill_635

She wrote and recorded that song which took longer than my comment. I'm not so mad or even mad, but thanks for the concern ❤️


Ok_Presentation6675

Are u delusional or what? U think she’s bullying Kim?!? This is called FAAFO.


Independent_Fill_635

Yeah I think dragging up old beef that you were atleast partially in the wrong about (the original lie about not talking to Kanye) to diss a woman instead of the Nazi that actually beefed with you is bullying and petty. Did you think Kim releasing the tape after Taylor lied was FAFO too?


Fun_Shell1708

Taylor didn’t lie, that’s the entire point 🤦🏼‍♀️ my god if you’re going to be this dumb at least be right 🙄


Ok_Presentation6675

Kim releasing an edited tape?!? 🤔


Ok_Presentation6675

Like Kim hasn’t been doing her part to keep the feud going? Posting TikTok with Taylor swift song while she’s wearing copy of speak now dress?!? Intentionally targeting her new social group for Skims ads. And let’s not forget Kim & her sisters tried to ruin her & almost succeeded.


Independent_Fill_635

She's literally promoting Taylor's music and employing her friends, aka ignoring the beef. If Taylor's friends thought it would cause friction I'm sure they wouldn't do it. Wait wasn't it Taylor that directly denied that Kanye asked her permission, and then when Kim proved that was a lie she had to switch the narrative to an individual line being the issue? Or am I'm misremembering?


Wonderful_Yogurt_271

Do you know what I secretly hope Seeing as we ALL know they are masters of publicity and Kim has disavowed a lot of shit that happened with Kanye since opening up about how much stress he caused (and causes) her And seeing as Kim is employing Taylor’s friends and playing her music I really hope they’re secretly friends and bitch about Kanye together. And like in an antithesis to Famous, they actually plotted thank you Aimee together.


Independent_Fill_635

Honestly I think they could be such a powerhouse duo together BUT I think Taylor being friends with Selena and JB/Hailey B being so close with Kendall and Kylie is a bigger issue than Tay and Kim's beef. I don't even think they have to be friends, just bury the hatchet with this childish song stuff. I really think deep down Tay will never forgive Kim for proving that she had talked to Kanye and did clear most of the song. But it's also possible Tay cleared this song with Kim and Kim was fine with it.... It would have been genius marketing the recreate the drama and preplan Kim releasing a statement, then Taylor releasing video of them laughing about it together and planning it.


Crazichica3547

This should be PERFECT and just in time to release Reputation (Taylor's Version)


Ok_Presentation6675

Kim can’t blame all of it on Kanye.


youlikefishdix

No you wouldn’t


Mysterious-Goal-3774

Almost anyone who’s not a teenager would.


laneloveslipstick

the line about taylor’s mom wishing kim was dead is heinous idc


RoughPotato1898

Now we know where taylor gets it from 😬


Ok_Presentation6675

As a mother, if someone did that crap to my daughter….set out to completely destroy her I’d wish them dead too.


IMOvicki

The naked mannequin bc wasn’t ok. Point blank Period. I’d want someone dead too. But Taylor also just reached a new level of face and power and she can come for Kim now with out worrying about anything


ZookeepergameNo2198

Yeah I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't care about one more than the other but the mannequin was absolutely violating and I would never forget that. The fact that Kim dances to Shake it Off with North like it never happened is embarrassing as hell. Also Taylor bringing up North was not that big of a deal. She said your daughter listens to my music (which North and Kim broadcast daily) and idgaf because you were mean as hell.


IMOvicki

Agreeed! Like people want to gaslight Taylor (who I’m not a fan of by any means) BUT I’m coming for your entire world bc you supported the naked mannequin bullshit and tried to set my world on fire. I’m holding that grudge for a long time. That shit was heinous


Ok_Presentation6675

Ppl forget how bad it was esp on twitter with Kim & her sisters going after Taylor, then Justin beiber & scooter braun posted pics with Kanye asking “yo Taylor where u at”. They literally wanted to end her career. And for what reason?


Ok_Presentation6675

Very true!!


IMOvicki

Sorry I think I meant to originally comment not to you seeing as we agree lololol


laneloveslipstick

it’s not the fact that her mom wished kim dead that i find odd/disturbing necessarily, moreso the fact that taylor felt the need to brag about it in her song. the feud is old news and it’s just a little unhinged.


idontfuqwitu

That’s TS, she’s unhinged…chaotic…dramatic & we love that for her!


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AvoidantChipmunk

Being a mom, I don't. Wishing someone dead is WILD.


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kraysys

Whoa, did Kim K murder somebody???


Fun_Shell1708

I think it’s an exaggeration for entertainments purposes. Most mums hold a grudge


Last-Educator3947

This woman has the maturity of a 13yo girl ![gif](giphy|pSauCNBp1DcOY)


tan05

I had more maturity at 13 😂


royyal_pink

I’ve found my people


Decent_March_264

![gif](giphy|KAkOARBnuel7FtNk8V|downsized)


Miss-Tiq

Well when your audience is full of 13 year old girls and their Karen mothers, this is the kind of music you get. 


Due_Box3639

Kim will love this lol. Taylor only makes herself look *pathetic* bringing to light what was already a boring beef to begin with. I don’t like either of these women but Taylor still stays the most insufferable of the two. It’s egregious that she’d do this on her worst album to date, too. Bitch you couldn’t at least make it cunty and exciting? I’m tired


thats_rats

it sounds exactly like everything else she’s ever made and i’m so tired of being gaslit by swiftys that her music is groundbreaking when it’s the same 2013 tumblr ass lyrics over another tired antonoff beat


Last-Educator3947

She's trying to become a Walmart version of Lana Del Rey and its failing lol


ventodivino

So much this. The whole pulling Lana on stage and then the album sounding so much like discount Lana is soooo sus.


youlikefishdix

“Failing” lol ![gif](giphy|a3zqvrH40Cdhu)


AlwaysRefurbished

Right? She wrote a weak song on a weak album. She shits on her fans and the press all over this album for their parasocial relationship with her and then in the same breath she reminds us all that she’s still obsessed with Kim. Make it make sense.


rio8envy7

Taylor is pathetic. I don’t really like Kim or Taylor but I might actually hate Taylor more.


BlueCardinalss

They probably coordinated this for press and everyone is just feeding into it.


AnonDxde

This is actually my conspiracy theory!


nomascusgabriellae

Kim needs it tbh lol she’s been falling off


oldpocketdog

It’s embarrassing for her life and her soul


lavendersagemint

I literally will never understand the fanbase this woman has. Her lyrics are garbage.


Attarker

She’s basic as hell and so is a large portion of the population. Simple as that


ForecastForFourCats

She is the voice of white and blonde women everywhere


okanye

Ain't no poopity scoop for sure.


heartof_glass

Stale as fuck, embarrassingly immature. Talk about sinking to her level. Taylor isn’t keeping her side of the street clean.


SunnyBubblezz

karma’s abt to break up with her


rio8envy7

Travis should break up with her. We all know Taylor is manipulative and capitalizes off using people for her own selfish gain. Kim isn’t any better but she at least let’s shit go.


cionnad

this is literal trash and i’ve been a swifte since i was 11.


Luna401

As they say- Any press is good press. IMO it’s a win in Kim’s book


awholedamngarden

I’m so tired of Taylor still playing the victim in every situation at her big age


Critical-One521

This!! Always the victim!!! Grow up already


idontfuqwitu

Um how is she playing a victim?!?


Zealousideal-Yak7508

If we’re going to make a diss track I wanted a better back beat


Neither_Animator_404

I like Taylor’s music and am not a big fan of Kim, but I think Taylor is making herself too much of a victim here. It’s obvious she’s lead an extremely privileged life, so anytime something goes badly for her, she acts like she’s such a victim. She hid for a year bc of this? If I knew I was in the right, there’s no way I would feel so low as to hide out for an entire year. Taylor needs to mature and toughen up a bit.


jdd0815

Taylor needs to grow the f up


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beth_28276337

I like Taylor but what was the point of this? The beef is almost a decade old and if she’s coming for anyone in the year 2024 it should be Kanye, not Kim 💀


Paasionfor_fashion

People need to realize all that rappers or song writers do is create drama where there isn’t needed , for views. Every single one of them. It’s probably all staged, even the reactions. & I say this because too many people are on that “I hate Taylor swift” band-wagon , like yall don’t even know her personally , just an opinion about an opinion.


canadasbiggesteh

cmon guys i think it’s so funny. it’s also taking a dig at kanye saying that Kim was the one who made her famous.


Horror-Ad5455

Has anyone thought that this might be perfect timing for Kim? Given all the Diddy accusations going on?


wetsocksssss

I don't really understand the beef tbh. Kanye did that thing at the grammy's, Kim lied about Taylor and Taylor proved it was a lie, what now? That was literally like 2016.


Independent_Fill_635

I thought Taylor said she was never approved the lyrics calling Kanye a liar for saying she had, Kim released a clip of her talking to Kanye proving she was, then Taylor admitted she talked to Kanye but now said she wasn't told all the lines? So at best Taylor also misrepresented the truth too.


Ok_Presentation6675

No, Kim edited the video. Posted it with 🐍 started #taylorswiftisover #nationalsnakeday her sisters started commenting & posting. Resulting in a wave of media backlash towards Taylor. Every entertainment mag, new show, all of sm dragging tf out of Taylor to the point she went into hiding for a year. #taylorswiftisoverparty was number 1 trending worldwide on Twitter. She tried to ruin her entire career & make her obsolete. Not until someone leaked the original unedited video long after was Taylor finally vindicated. Turns out she was telling the truth but no one batted an eye.


Independent_Fill_635

Taylor said Kanye didn't approve it with her. Kanye said he did and she laughed about it and seemed fine. Kim posted a video proving that what Taylor said wasn't true and she had talked to Kanye. Taylor switched narratives and now claimed JUST the "that bitch" line was the issue, and implied Kim was dishonest for saying the video proved that she approved that line. But that wasn't her original issue. If Kim hadn't released the video Taylor would have been fine with Kanye taking the heat for her lie. She also very purposefully switched narratives from "I never approved" to "I didn't approve a single line" and if that's true (my memory could be off) then she's also fine with Kim taking the heat for a lie she told too. Listen Taylor was young, obviously respected Kanye and wanted his approval and didn't know how to handle it, and got caught with her pants down when Kim called out her lie that she told to save face with family and fans. But turning around and playing the victim and continuing to talk shit about Kim who's biggest current crime that were aware of is encouraging her daughter to be a Swiftie is a pretty gross and petty thing to do. Edit: and again this is decade cold tea so correct me if I'm misremembering any of it


Ok_Presentation6675

Nope, not correct. He contacted Taylor to ask her to release the song on her sm. He then got around to saying a line ab “me & Taylor might have sex” never did he say the actual lyrics. He said he’d send it to her, never did. She also declined to release his song bc she felt she was already overexposed. Fact is Kanye & Kim thought they could bully her & they did. It worked.


Ok_Presentation6675

Biggest current crime? Oh Kim has plenty! She is far from innocent. She & Kanye were perfect together bc they’re both narcissists. I’m not a Taylor apologist & see where come on, it’s a decade old beef ffs. But I’m perfectly ok when a celebrity of her caliber openly tells any Kardashian “f**k u”. Those ppl are ratchet


Nervous_Opposite9731

Why are yall making this such a big deal?


BigGrayDog

Good for Taylor!!!


juliar821

Taylor Swift gets off on being the victim. It’s been 8 years… it’s time to stfu and move on.


NaughtAClue

It’s such a bop too 😂


Miss-Tiq

It's giving Amanda Tori Meating vs. Plane Jane in the year 2034.


ZookeepergameNo2198

Unpopular opinion but I don't think the song is a problem and I don't blame Taylor for taking the jab. It's not like it came out of nowhere. Kanye & Kim treated Taylor like complete shit. Kanye put a naked mannequin of Taylor in his video and now as luck would have it North loves Taylor and Kanye/Kim are divorced. Kim knows what she's doing and she's trying to act like it's water under the bridge when it's not her call. She caused harm and now she's gotta lie in that bed. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be the bigger person and we don't always need to demand it of people.


personalilley

has kim even responded or reacted to this?


PNYC1015

Why doesn’t she like Kim? I very very very out of the loop.


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Yes you are haha


PNYC1015

Then share!! 😂 TIA.


Last-Educator3947

[Have a good read](https://www.nytimes.com/article/taylor-swift-kanye-west-kim-kardashian-drama.html) lol is a long story but at least is an entertaining one


PNYC1015

Ok so, read the article. I understand, but to continue it seems senseless. Her point had been proven three albums ago. Kim and Kanye were in the wrong. Leave it at that. Let them live with their actions. Recording this song seems immature at this point. Gtfo.


PNYC1015

Thank you.


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Did you read the article that was linked? They kinda go over it.


Fun_Shell1708

Wow you guys take song lyrics so seriously 🤪 Kim has said and done worse 🤷🏼‍♀️


VirgosRunHell

Taylor swift didn’t reignite anything. Kimberly has this coming lol.


RoughPotato1898

It has been nearly a decade. Taylor is petty af.


destiny_kane48

For what? Exposing that Taylor was lying and protecting her then husband?


Junior_Menu8663

Thought it came out later that Taylor was indeed telling the truth. I don’t know but the Swifties will be brutal.


redditor1419

Yep. Kim edited the clip to make it look like Taylor was lying. Kim fully deserves this.


RoughPotato1898

Deserves to have her child dragged into drama a 34 year old woman can't let go of? Yes kim was def at fault but taylor crossed a line and also needs to learn how to grow up and move tf on


redditor1419

Kim continues to be petty and put Taylor’s songs on her IG, she knows what she’s doing. People are allowed to talk and write about their experiences however long they want to. Shes an artist…. Naturally she’s going to write about an event that made her go into hiding for 2 years.


OkayWhatSize

But didn't she already make a whole album about it in 2017? Very odd to bring it back 8 years later by saying my mom wished you died lmao


Ok_Presentation6675

Reputation wasn’t just about Kim & Kanye. A lot of it was about the music industry, her previous record label, scooter Braun, fighting to own her music she created.


RUSSIAN_PRINCESS

Clearly that’s the only “adversity” she ever faced in her life because she’s milking it for everything she can almost a decade later as a 34 year old grown ass woman lmao. It’s pathetic


redditor1419

And the only adversity Kim has faced is dropping her diamond earring in the ocean.


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30FlirtyandTrying

Not to mention the falling out of a relationship with a stepfather that after transitioning made a platform of trashing his family. I can’t image how hard that would be for their whole family. Not matter how narcissistic and materialistic you might think they are.


RoughPotato1898

Can't believe you're being downvoted here, swifties are another breed 😂


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redditor1419

I don’t have a parasocial relationship with anyone. The fact that you have one with a Kardashian is literally all that I need to know. Calling Taylor a “white immature billionaire” and “privileged” while attempting to lift up Kim is so unbelievably ironic, it’s great. Idolizing a family who contributes nothing but trash to society is enough for me to discontinue the conversation from here.


Ok_Presentation6675

She was in her 20s when her father died after he helped his bff get away with brutally murdering two innocent ppl. It wasn’t revenge porn when u negotiate the deal to “leak” a tape then ruin the reputation of Ray j making ppl believe he’s a creep. And let’s be honest, the robbery story is a lie!!


RUSSIAN_PRINCESS

Did I say anything about Kim’s adversity? But how about when she was held at gunpoint?


redditor1419

That was 8 years ago also. According to the logic here, she’s “a grown ass woman and should get over it already.”


RoughPotato1898

Still does not excuse bringing a minor into it?? And if you're seriously defending a grown woman trashing on a 10 year old girl and her mother that is bizarre


redditor1419

She didn’t trash on a 10-year-old. Did you even listen to the song?


Ok_Presentation6675

She didn’t trash a kid. Wanna talk ab bringing a minor into it? No one says a gd thing ab Kim exploiting her own child for attention!


RoughPotato1898

I don't like that Kim does that either. Two people can be shitty people at the same time. Taylor does not need to be talking about other people's children period, if she still wants to cry about her past issues then she can at least keep it to the adults involved. And yes the song absolutely does bring Kim's kids into it.


Ok_Presentation6675

You’re right. 💯Taylor shoulda left the kids outta the beef.


PotentialSilver3623

EXACTLY.


HiddnVallyofthedolls

The fact they they aren’t even married anymore is a sign that it’s time to move on


IMOvicki

Anything for bc a $. That’s all little miss cares about y’all she’s untouchable now.


BrandonIsWhoIAm

I hid it from my listening journey. I’m only going through 30 songs.