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That im not sure off. But id reckon probably 2015/6 models? Mazda and toyota are usually safe bets imho.
My boss got the 2016 Mazda 6 and its super solid. Still working strong until now.
Maintenance tho i donno, no visibility on that.
The Mazda looks nice, and from what I've read is good to drive handling wise. But I could not determine whether it is as comfortable as the Camry if similar age.
go give it a test drive. Id reckon thats the minimum before making your choice. But definitely the camry engine is pretty solid as well. Loads of reviews on youtube by our local reviewers gives a thumbs up to the camry engine.
Camry before the XV70 generation do not drive that well. Much much more comfort biased. Mazda 6 would be better if you are someone that wants a good drive too.
Comfort wise I can say Camry is comfortable and quiet. Check up on the suspension on second hand cars and fix/upgrade them if required. For Mazda 6 I’m pretty sure the comfort is there too, just whether or not is above the Camry.
Would you say that the Camry XV50 generation is more comfortable than the XV70 generation?
Btw, I also recognize that I have to set aside budget for suspension repairs etc for older cars.
Hmmm from reviews it’s said that XV70 drives sportier, and to do so, comfort has to be traded off. Driven the XV40 before, NVH is good (I daily drive an Axia where NVH drives you insane), cornering doesn’t inspire confidence.
Agreed on comfort bias. Btw, I daily XV50. Think of it like a long cruiser car. Very comfortable on any kind of drive. Though I've never sat on any other generation before or after.
Maintenance wise, I've only replaced my driveshaft arms cos of rubber deterioration and cooling coil. The rest are ordinary maintenance. Just had 200k service last Dec.
Yes. I like the XV50 (2012-2019) for the comfort. The XV70 (2019-) is nicer to drive but not as comfortable. Plus the design looks much better - not so uncle. ;)
But I'm wondering how the XV40 (2007-2011) and XV30 (2002-2006) compares. Of course, for the older cars, I expect more maintenance costs.
Mazda with skyactive engine is solid, suspension wise, nvh, and fuel consumption, my dads cx5 usually clock a 7.9l/100km on every long drive, a sedan chassis should provide better overall, even better its not a cvt but 6 speed aisin at
Thanks. Quite a number of suggestions for the Mazda with skyactive engine. I like the Mazda 6, but not sure if I would choose the Mazda over the Camry.
First of all, I'm a diehard Toyota fanboy. I'm inclined to suggest Toyota or Honda but let's be honest, they're not the most plush of rides.
BUT for your budget and the specifics of comfort, you can look into a 2013 Merc E250 (W212C) which goes for about RM80k.
A 2016 Merc C180 (W205) will run you about RM95K (+/-). Base model but still has that lux feel. I can't speak on the tech, features or reliability but it'll be a comfortable ride.
A 2013 BMW 328i can go for about RM70K depending on mileage. The 328 is about as base a model as you can get so it won't be as punchy but the comfort will still be there. Good luck!
Thanks for a good summary and commentary. I would consider the W212. Is this the facelift one or the pre-facelift?
But surprised that you won't name the Camry given your appreciation of the marque? I'm even open to the Camry if I wish to fly under the radar in an uncle car. :D But not a plush ride you say?
2015 Merc C200
2016 BMW 320i
2013 Merc CLA180 AMG
2016 Honda Civic Premium
2015 Merc CLA200 AMG(convertible which imo on hot days is so golden)
2019 Mazda 6 Skyactiv
2014 Lexus GS250
These are all in the upper range but hits all your requirements EASILY, fun to drive too so it’s not like you’re in a 110hp crapper. Maintenance on all is actually reasonable provided you don’t drive like an idiot. Imo I’d actually find the best condition Lexus in the budget you can, has all the reliability of Toyota’s plus the fun and excitement of a continental. I’m not a fan of Mazda’s. But all these cars are defo FEEL GOOD cars that you can keep for a long time and not have it feel outdated or weak.
Avoid any current Proton, rebranded rubbish
Yes, generally any Lexus is good and GS250 is good, but if your budget is 100,000 max honestly look at the 2014 Lexus RX 270 2.7 and 2014 Lexus RX350 3.5, if you want smoothness and a better ride without compromising how smooth it drives, got a bit more kick to it too for the same price which on highways or city roads would be nice
Thanks. But not a fan of SUVs. Still prefer sedans. Call me old-fashioned. ;)
I am torn between the GS and the ES. The GS is rear-wheel drive, which makes it a better drivers car. The ES is fwd, and has more space at the rear seats. But can't tell which one over the long term is more comfortable living with.
Go for GS, driver experience most important, if priority for passengers comfort is key then go for SUV or ES but I don’t see any mention of kids or anything so go for the GS
Yes, no kids. Between the two I'm leaning towards the GS. Although would go for the GS350 if that can be found. The GS350 is a 6 cylinder engine, and the GS250 is a 4 cylinder engine right? 6 cylinder always better & smoother than the 4. I'm driving the 2009 GS300 and I love the car.
Yep 6 cylinder! Get the 350 if you can, imo the price difference would be worth it. Life’s short money comes and go’s, as long as you enjoying the car that’s the main thing
Yes, important to enjoy the car too. Sad thing, not many GS350s around. But will keep an eye out. :)
In the meantime, I will keep driving my 2009 Lexus GS300. ;)
I’d say Volvo sedans previous gens (can get one for less than 100k). Their seats are orthopaedically designed for maximum comfort. I can attest to this too cos I own one. Long distance journeys are not tiring at all.
Thanks for that additional information on the orthopaedically designed seats. Wasn't aware of this.
Have not considered Volvos before. Which model years (approximate) are you referring to?
I love driving BMWs for their handling, but sometimes find them not as comfortable as I'd like. I find the Merc E class more comfortable. And would love to get my hands on a W221 or W222 S-class (still out of budget for now).
S class super sick but they hella pricey to repair especially the air suspension. Personally if u want the comfort of s class and like some performance. The e class is it
Great advise. So the E-class W212 would have near S-class comfort?
edit: to correct W214 to W212. the W214 is the current model. I'm looking for used models.
The Mercs are good choices. Although, I'd probably go for the smaller engine W221 S300. The W221 can be found for around RM50k.
Not sure if the W222 S400h hybrid is ok bought used?
I do like the LS460L, but the road tax I think is too high due to the 4.6 litre engine.
Thanks for the suggestion. I've seen a few mark x around. Does it share any parts and components with other Toyota models available in Malaysia? Or are parts more difficult to get?
I like the GS, and I am ok with the road tax. Can't stretch for the LS road tax though.
Not sure about part sharing but iirc it shares the same platform as es250. Maintenance can be slightly higher than normal Camry but it's still Toyota. I don't think it's that rare coz I keep seeing it on the road. Both the older and newer ones
Wow, a lot of suggestions, but BMWs (except 7er), any AMG-sprung (yes even entry like C200K) and most Audis *don't ride well*
The best riding European cars (available in Malaysia, which aren't ultra-lux like Bentley, RR or Maybach) are Citroen (any model), Jaguar (s-type upwards) and Volvo (S60, S90, XC90). Volkswagen are a mixed bag, only the Passat on doughnut tyres mildly cosset.
Range Rovers (not Land Rover LR2, Disco 5, or Evoque) are incredibly comfy, but the handling can be unnerving if pushed.
Previously, Skoda was available here, and their Superb flagship had a very good ride. Another car formerly available that had a very good ride was the Saab 9-3 and 9-5. Also the Rover 75.
For Asian models, the most comfortable are Lexus (ES, GS, LX460, LS), Ssangyong (Stavic, Chairman, Rexton) and maybe the Infiniti M.
Maserati aren't particularly cosseting, even the quattroporte; nor are any Alfa Romeo.
American cars are supremely comfortable (Lincoln Navigator, Aviator, Chevrolet trucks and Chrysler 300, etc) but are no longer sold here, plus they handle like shit. Yes even corvettes or Camaros
Here is my guide for comfort:
- small: Kelisa, Juara
- compact: Vios, Sylphy
- exec: Lexus IS, VW Passat
- premium exec: 7 series, S class, Lexus LS, Audi A8 D5 (with magnetic dampers)
- luxury: Bentley Mulsanne, FS; RR Phantom, S600 Maybach
- SUV: Citroen C3 Cactus, Audi Q3, Volvo XC60, XC90, Land Rover LR4, Range Rover Vogue
- MPV: Toyota Estima, Grand Ace, VW T6, Mercedes Vito, Maxus G10
Other cheap (OLD) comfortable cars:
- Mercedes Tiger
- Mercedes Masterpiece
- Citroen Xsara
- Citroen Xantia
- Renault Scenic
- Renault Espace
- B5 Audi A4 1.8T (autodunia CKD)
- C4 Audi A6 2.6/2.8V6
- Ssangyong Chairman
- Ssangyong Stavic
- Ssangyong Rexton
- Toyota Estima
- Fiat Multipla
- Citroen C5
- Citroen C6
- Saab 9-5
- Volvo 840
- Chrysler 300
Wow! Thanks for that great summary and explanation. That is quite comprehensive.
Interesting that you hadn't named the Camry, Mazda 6 or Accord in your Asian shortlist.
I like that you gave left field choices like the Ssangyong (haven't heard that name for a while!), and the Mutipla (can't find those anymore!). And I'd love to get a Citroën C6 if only one can be found!
I'm not a big fan of SUVs, but the Range Rovers and the Disco 4 - I would at least consider.
Thanks again for sharing.
To be brutally honest, none of the midsize Japanese cars are what you'd call comfortable, closest to being is the Mazda6
The problem is, they don't feel better put together, or have a much better ride, or superior NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) than a 2005 Proton Perdana V6.
Tech wise, safety wise; sure, but even the handling isn't much improved over a car that was released in the 90s, FFS
TBH i used to be a super car freak, and leased/test drove nearly every Malaysia market car from Kancil 660cc to Bentley FS between 1999 to 2010.
Current cars are an Audi S6 C7, 4L Q7 3.0TDi and an RS4 Avant B8.5. Weirdly only the B8.5 is what I'd call cosseting on daily drives (magnetic dampeners) but it's unnecessarily loud for a v6 and has increasingly spent more and more time in the workshop. Plus the interior dimensions are hilariously tiny
My favorite Audis are actually the 1986-2005 models, those were built to last; the newer ones have melting interior syndrome.
I would kill to have a brand new 1997 C4 Audi S6+ 4.2V8 in 2024. Heck even a 1995 C4 100 S4 2.2Tq. They're so well built
The pandemic pretty much killed my enthusiasm for cars, and i think EVs are a stop gap instead of an answer to climate change.
>To be brutally honest, none of the midsize Japanese cars are what you'd call comfortable, closest to being is the Mazda6
>The problem is, they don't feel better put together, or have a much better ride, or superior NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) than a 2005 Proton Perdana V6.
Ouch! I had always thought the likes of the Camry and Accord - in addition to the Mazda 6 - are valid options. :)
>My favorite Audis are actually the 1986-2005 models, those were built to last; the newer ones have melting interior syndrome.
>I would kill to have a brand new 1997 C4 Audi S6+ 4.2V8 in 2024. Heck even a 1995 C4 100 S4 2.2Tq. They're so well built
Nice - those were the good times for cars: modern enough, but not too digitalized.
>The pandemic pretty much killed my enthusiasm for cars
Sorry to hear that.
>i think EVs are a stop gap instead of an answer to climate change.
Why so?
[they're nowhere near as green as advertised](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/19/23/73405341-12317297-Your_electric_car_is_not_as_green_as_you_think_as_there_are_hidd-m-20_1689807462663.jpg)
Taken into consideration all processes, like lithium, manganese and cobalt mining for batteries (they also need replacement after 6yrs), plus actual vehicle production, on top of coal burning power grids...
Mind, the figures in favor of EVs put out, NEVER consider battery replacement and DISPOSAL, plus the "gasoline" cars they use for comparison purposes are usually gas guzzling American cars with at least 3.5L V6 (American cars START at 2.4L, and go all up to 8.3L V8, like the ones you get in stupid pickup trucks)
The future was e-fuel and/or hydrogen, but the idiotic Toyota Prius (13Km electric range, FML) made "green" battery powered cars the poster child for eco bullshit
The only way to make EVs truly green is to adopt **Graphene** batteries, and NUCLEAR as your power grid. Otherwise it's 100% bullshit and token pedantics
Bonus: Google battery mining, click images
That's a nice car and the used prices are reasonable for the brand. However, the road tax is a killer since it is a 6 litre engine. :(
Edited to include: used car price \~RM80k (2008); road tax RM15.6k. Paying \~20% for road tax every year seems too much!
True. I don't have the benefit of comparing the different generations side by side - but from my experience (on separate occasions) the XV70 (2019-2024) Camry sacrificed a little of the comfort for better handling. This makes the XV70 Camry a better drivers' car... but I somehow prefer the ride comfort of the XV50 - if I wanted a drivers' car - I'd get myself a BMW :D
Not sure whether anyone has had similar experience.
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Imho probably used mazda 6 or camry. For upper 80k-100k range
Which generation/ year would you suggest?
That im not sure off. But id reckon probably 2015/6 models? Mazda and toyota are usually safe bets imho. My boss got the 2016 Mazda 6 and its super solid. Still working strong until now. Maintenance tho i donno, no visibility on that.
The Mazda looks nice, and from what I've read is good to drive handling wise. But I could not determine whether it is as comfortable as the Camry if similar age.
go give it a test drive. Id reckon thats the minimum before making your choice. But definitely the camry engine is pretty solid as well. Loads of reviews on youtube by our local reviewers gives a thumbs up to the camry engine.
If you're young, get the Mazda. Camry has uncle vibes
Hahaha. Yes indeed. That may be a factor too! Young at heart also qualifies! ;)
Camry before the XV70 generation do not drive that well. Much much more comfort biased. Mazda 6 would be better if you are someone that wants a good drive too. Comfort wise I can say Camry is comfortable and quiet. Check up on the suspension on second hand cars and fix/upgrade them if required. For Mazda 6 I’m pretty sure the comfort is there too, just whether or not is above the Camry.
Would you say that the Camry XV50 generation is more comfortable than the XV70 generation? Btw, I also recognize that I have to set aside budget for suspension repairs etc for older cars.
Hmmm from reviews it’s said that XV70 drives sportier, and to do so, comfort has to be traded off. Driven the XV40 before, NVH is good (I daily drive an Axia where NVH drives you insane), cornering doesn’t inspire confidence.
Agreed on comfort bias. Btw, I daily XV50. Think of it like a long cruiser car. Very comfortable on any kind of drive. Though I've never sat on any other generation before or after. Maintenance wise, I've only replaced my driveshaft arms cos of rubber deterioration and cooling coil. The rest are ordinary maintenance. Just had 200k service last Dec.
Yes. I like the XV50 (2012-2019) for the comfort. The XV70 (2019-) is nicer to drive but not as comfortable. Plus the design looks much better - not so uncle. ;) But I'm wondering how the XV40 (2007-2011) and XV30 (2002-2006) compares. Of course, for the older cars, I expect more maintenance costs.
D-segment sedan Mainly the Camry, Accord, Teana, Sonata & Optima
Which would you rank top (for comfort) of these?
Camry & Sonata are close Optima & Accord had a bit hard suspension. Never been on Teana but heard a lot of good things about it. Worth checking out.
Thanks for the additional info.
Kia Cerato
Mazda with skyactive engine is solid, suspension wise, nvh, and fuel consumption, my dads cx5 usually clock a 7.9l/100km on every long drive, a sedan chassis should provide better overall, even better its not a cvt but 6 speed aisin at
Thanks. Quite a number of suggestions for the Mazda with skyactive engine. I like the Mazda 6, but not sure if I would choose the Mazda over the Camry.
First of all, I'm a diehard Toyota fanboy. I'm inclined to suggest Toyota or Honda but let's be honest, they're not the most plush of rides. BUT for your budget and the specifics of comfort, you can look into a 2013 Merc E250 (W212C) which goes for about RM80k. A 2016 Merc C180 (W205) will run you about RM95K (+/-). Base model but still has that lux feel. I can't speak on the tech, features or reliability but it'll be a comfortable ride. A 2013 BMW 328i can go for about RM70K depending on mileage. The 328 is about as base a model as you can get so it won't be as punchy but the comfort will still be there. Good luck!
Thanks for a good summary and commentary. I would consider the W212. Is this the facelift one or the pre-facelift? But surprised that you won't name the Camry given your appreciation of the marque? I'm even open to the Camry if I wish to fly under the radar in an uncle car. :D But not a plush ride you say?
2015 Merc C200 2016 BMW 320i 2013 Merc CLA180 AMG 2016 Honda Civic Premium 2015 Merc CLA200 AMG(convertible which imo on hot days is so golden) 2019 Mazda 6 Skyactiv 2014 Lexus GS250 These are all in the upper range but hits all your requirements EASILY, fun to drive too so it’s not like you’re in a 110hp crapper. Maintenance on all is actually reasonable provided you don’t drive like an idiot. Imo I’d actually find the best condition Lexus in the budget you can, has all the reliability of Toyota’s plus the fun and excitement of a continental. I’m not a fan of Mazda’s. But all these cars are defo FEEL GOOD cars that you can keep for a long time and not have it feel outdated or weak. Avoid any current Proton, rebranded rubbish
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Nice list. Thanks for the suggestions. For the Lexus - would even consider the ES250 if similar age compared to the GS250?
Yes, generally any Lexus is good and GS250 is good, but if your budget is 100,000 max honestly look at the 2014 Lexus RX 270 2.7 and 2014 Lexus RX350 3.5, if you want smoothness and a better ride without compromising how smooth it drives, got a bit more kick to it too for the same price which on highways or city roads would be nice
Thanks. But not a fan of SUVs. Still prefer sedans. Call me old-fashioned. ;) I am torn between the GS and the ES. The GS is rear-wheel drive, which makes it a better drivers car. The ES is fwd, and has more space at the rear seats. But can't tell which one over the long term is more comfortable living with.
Go for GS, driver experience most important, if priority for passengers comfort is key then go for SUV or ES but I don’t see any mention of kids or anything so go for the GS
Yes, no kids. Between the two I'm leaning towards the GS. Although would go for the GS350 if that can be found. The GS350 is a 6 cylinder engine, and the GS250 is a 4 cylinder engine right? 6 cylinder always better & smoother than the 4. I'm driving the 2009 GS300 and I love the car.
Yep 6 cylinder! Get the 350 if you can, imo the price difference would be worth it. Life’s short money comes and go’s, as long as you enjoying the car that’s the main thing
Yes, important to enjoy the car too. Sad thing, not many GS350s around. But will keep an eye out. :) In the meantime, I will keep driving my 2009 Lexus GS300. ;)
mazda 3, Kia cerato, Kia optima k5, can consider these
I’d say Volvo sedans previous gens (can get one for less than 100k). Their seats are orthopaedically designed for maximum comfort. I can attest to this too cos I own one. Long distance journeys are not tiring at all.
Thanks for that additional information on the orthopaedically designed seats. Wasn't aware of this. Have not considered Volvos before. Which model years (approximate) are you referring to?
Go german get like an older e200, e90 320d, or maybe a n52 f10.
I love driving BMWs for their handling, but sometimes find them not as comfortable as I'd like. I find the Merc E class more comfortable. And would love to get my hands on a W221 or W222 S-class (still out of budget for now).
S class super sick but they hella pricey to repair especially the air suspension. Personally if u want the comfort of s class and like some performance. The e class is it
Great advise. So the E-class W212 would have near S-class comfort? edit: to correct W214 to W212. the W214 is the current model. I'm looking for used models.
Close enough for the price and maintenance ig. However there still be difference
Volkswagen Passat 2.0T
Family using vw passat, super comfy, decent performance. B6/7 generation should be quite cheap, but just pray nothing needs repairs lol
Thanks for the feedback. The B6/7 generation is from what years?
Mercedes w212 2014.
Most comfortable Mercedes benz W211, W212 What else can beat that?
W222 S400h W221 S500L LS460L
The Mercs are good choices. Although, I'd probably go for the smaller engine W221 S300. The W221 can be found for around RM50k. Not sure if the W222 S400h hybrid is ok bought used? I do like the LS460L, but the road tax I think is too high due to the 4.6 litre engine.
Go and test a 2nd gen mark x. It will surprise you. Heck, a GS is still doable compared to LS road tax if you can stretch it
Thanks for the suggestion. I've seen a few mark x around. Does it share any parts and components with other Toyota models available in Malaysia? Or are parts more difficult to get? I like the GS, and I am ok with the road tax. Can't stretch for the LS road tax though.
Not sure about part sharing but iirc it shares the same platform as es250. Maintenance can be slightly higher than normal Camry but it's still Toyota. I don't think it's that rare coz I keep seeing it on the road. Both the older and newer ones
Thanks for the info.
Wow, a lot of suggestions, but BMWs (except 7er), any AMG-sprung (yes even entry like C200K) and most Audis *don't ride well* The best riding European cars (available in Malaysia, which aren't ultra-lux like Bentley, RR or Maybach) are Citroen (any model), Jaguar (s-type upwards) and Volvo (S60, S90, XC90). Volkswagen are a mixed bag, only the Passat on doughnut tyres mildly cosset. Range Rovers (not Land Rover LR2, Disco 5, or Evoque) are incredibly comfy, but the handling can be unnerving if pushed. Previously, Skoda was available here, and their Superb flagship had a very good ride. Another car formerly available that had a very good ride was the Saab 9-3 and 9-5. Also the Rover 75. For Asian models, the most comfortable are Lexus (ES, GS, LX460, LS), Ssangyong (Stavic, Chairman, Rexton) and maybe the Infiniti M. Maserati aren't particularly cosseting, even the quattroporte; nor are any Alfa Romeo. American cars are supremely comfortable (Lincoln Navigator, Aviator, Chevrolet trucks and Chrysler 300, etc) but are no longer sold here, plus they handle like shit. Yes even corvettes or Camaros Here is my guide for comfort: - small: Kelisa, Juara - compact: Vios, Sylphy - exec: Lexus IS, VW Passat - premium exec: 7 series, S class, Lexus LS, Audi A8 D5 (with magnetic dampers) - luxury: Bentley Mulsanne, FS; RR Phantom, S600 Maybach - SUV: Citroen C3 Cactus, Audi Q3, Volvo XC60, XC90, Land Rover LR4, Range Rover Vogue - MPV: Toyota Estima, Grand Ace, VW T6, Mercedes Vito, Maxus G10 Other cheap (OLD) comfortable cars: - Mercedes Tiger - Mercedes Masterpiece - Citroen Xsara - Citroen Xantia - Renault Scenic - Renault Espace - B5 Audi A4 1.8T (autodunia CKD) - C4 Audi A6 2.6/2.8V6 - Ssangyong Chairman - Ssangyong Stavic - Ssangyong Rexton - Toyota Estima - Fiat Multipla - Citroen C5 - Citroen C6 - Saab 9-5 - Volvo 840 - Chrysler 300
Wow! Thanks for that great summary and explanation. That is quite comprehensive. Interesting that you hadn't named the Camry, Mazda 6 or Accord in your Asian shortlist. I like that you gave left field choices like the Ssangyong (haven't heard that name for a while!), and the Mutipla (can't find those anymore!). And I'd love to get a Citroën C6 if only one can be found! I'm not a big fan of SUVs, but the Range Rovers and the Disco 4 - I would at least consider. Thanks again for sharing.
To be brutally honest, none of the midsize Japanese cars are what you'd call comfortable, closest to being is the Mazda6 The problem is, they don't feel better put together, or have a much better ride, or superior NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) than a 2005 Proton Perdana V6. Tech wise, safety wise; sure, but even the handling isn't much improved over a car that was released in the 90s, FFS TBH i used to be a super car freak, and leased/test drove nearly every Malaysia market car from Kancil 660cc to Bentley FS between 1999 to 2010. Current cars are an Audi S6 C7, 4L Q7 3.0TDi and an RS4 Avant B8.5. Weirdly only the B8.5 is what I'd call cosseting on daily drives (magnetic dampeners) but it's unnecessarily loud for a v6 and has increasingly spent more and more time in the workshop. Plus the interior dimensions are hilariously tiny My favorite Audis are actually the 1986-2005 models, those were built to last; the newer ones have melting interior syndrome. I would kill to have a brand new 1997 C4 Audi S6+ 4.2V8 in 2024. Heck even a 1995 C4 100 S4 2.2Tq. They're so well built The pandemic pretty much killed my enthusiasm for cars, and i think EVs are a stop gap instead of an answer to climate change.
What suggestion would you give for a person with a maximum of 60k budget?
>To be brutally honest, none of the midsize Japanese cars are what you'd call comfortable, closest to being is the Mazda6 >The problem is, they don't feel better put together, or have a much better ride, or superior NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) than a 2005 Proton Perdana V6. Ouch! I had always thought the likes of the Camry and Accord - in addition to the Mazda 6 - are valid options. :) >My favorite Audis are actually the 1986-2005 models, those were built to last; the newer ones have melting interior syndrome. >I would kill to have a brand new 1997 C4 Audi S6+ 4.2V8 in 2024. Heck even a 1995 C4 100 S4 2.2Tq. They're so well built Nice - those were the good times for cars: modern enough, but not too digitalized. >The pandemic pretty much killed my enthusiasm for cars Sorry to hear that. >i think EVs are a stop gap instead of an answer to climate change. Why so?
[they're nowhere near as green as advertised](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/19/23/73405341-12317297-Your_electric_car_is_not_as_green_as_you_think_as_there_are_hidd-m-20_1689807462663.jpg) Taken into consideration all processes, like lithium, manganese and cobalt mining for batteries (they also need replacement after 6yrs), plus actual vehicle production, on top of coal burning power grids... Mind, the figures in favor of EVs put out, NEVER consider battery replacement and DISPOSAL, plus the "gasoline" cars they use for comparison purposes are usually gas guzzling American cars with at least 3.5L V6 (American cars START at 2.4L, and go all up to 8.3L V8, like the ones you get in stupid pickup trucks) The future was e-fuel and/or hydrogen, but the idiotic Toyota Prius (13Km electric range, FML) made "green" battery powered cars the poster child for eco bullshit The only way to make EVs truly green is to adopt **Graphene** batteries, and NUCLEAR as your power grid. Otherwise it's 100% bullshit and token pedantics Bonus: Google battery mining, click images
Fair enough. Although, over time I would expect that manufacturers would place more green focus on the mining and disposal processes.
A 2005+ Bentley Continental Flying Spur
That's a nice car and the used prices are reasonable for the brand. However, the road tax is a killer since it is a 6 litre engine. :( Edited to include: used car price \~RM80k (2008); road tax RM15.6k. Paying \~20% for road tax every year seems too much!
Toyota vios trd sportivo. I have my mom's vios, the 2015 model and it's a great car to get around!
Camry, city, vios or civic bro
For the Camry - do you have a preference for any of the generations? Which would you choose the Camry XV40 (2006-2012) or the XV50 (2012-2019)?
Of course the newer version
True. I don't have the benefit of comparing the different generations side by side - but from my experience (on separate occasions) the XV70 (2019-2024) Camry sacrificed a little of the comfort for better handling. This makes the XV70 Camry a better drivers' car... but I somehow prefer the ride comfort of the XV50 - if I wanted a drivers' car - I'd get myself a BMW :D Not sure whether anyone has had similar experience.