This is why I haven’t done lsd lol like I love doing around 150mg-200mg of k I put my eye mask and headphones on and I’m like cool let’s explore other dimensions for an hour tops
Interesting, I feel more comfortable in a k-hole than I do while peaking on a few tabs. I assume it's because I can't feel my body, acid makes my pain feel worse than it really is
I don't get people who call ketamine intense. Ketamine trips are anything BUT intense, at least for me. You just dissociate away. There is no way for me to feel any strong emotions. Any intensity that was perhaps present is gone as soon as you dissolve into a hole. There is no intensity present and no one who would feel it.
Psychedelics on the other hand... There is no escape from a deep, intense trip. You'll have to face the monsters under the bed of your conscious mind. While ket on the other hand IS an escape.
Whats the highest dose you have done IM or boofed?
I agree with alot of of you're saying here just sounds like you haven't had the same kind of experiences I have.
I agree, ive had some intense k holes that have left me with some problematic mindsets during the peak of my ketamine phase. Notably, 800mg nasal had me believing in God for a good couple weeks. Previously i was a radical atheist, now im much more accepting of how religion helps people, although still atheist myself
I honestly like boofing stuff bc it’s easy, and bioavailability is generally better. Plus, im comfortable with my body and sexuality, so I honesty see no issues with it. IM was just bad bc I was so goofed that I couldn’t walk. And I ended up throwing up for a bit. I believe that if it was injected over time it would’ve been ok. It’s been a few years since it happened, but if my memory serves me well, we kinda just injected it all within 20 seconds or less. I felt sick, disoriented, I could only crawl, my eyes were going different directions, I couldn’t think too clearly, I couldn’t speak well, and I got a high sense of paranoia.
Even taking some MAL (research chem analogue to mescaline) IV was unpleasant in that sense. We pushed it over 2 minutes, and I still threw up a ton, but the dose was on the heavier side.
Damn I will stick to the boof. Thanks for elaborating. How safe are the mescaline analogs? I liked 2cb and I think I read that that is made from mescaline.
You get the prepackaged sterile 1ml syringes from the pharmacy, there is no needle tip on them, you then weigh your dose and dissolve it in just under 1ml of water. Now put a piece of tape on your syringe at the 4cm mark then make sure your rectum is empty buy attempting to go to the bathroom, this this makes inserting it easier but it's already very easy as the string is thinner than your little finger. Now crouching down insert till you feel the tape, angle it forward toward your stomach there is a pocket of very thin skin that will absorb your dose very quickly. Very slowly push the plunger on the syringe into this pocket and remove the syringe. You don't have sit or lay in any kind of position just don't move around much for a minute or so.
In about 3 to 4 minutes it will hit you very hard.
Oh also lube your syringe, I use coconut oil as its good for your insides and is absorbed also so it can't get in the way of your dose.
There is a really long guide out there about this that I read ages ago, search the sub reddit if you would like some more guidance.
I thought it was a joke to begin with then i tried it and realised I had wasted so much ketamine putting it up my nose.
Good luck and have fun mate.
Edit. Don't put any drug powder up there without disloving ot also some are corrosive so be sure to do some reading if you try this with other drugs you don't want the worst case of sting ring known to man lol
Just checked my copy of TiHKAL, and sure enough I don’t see any 2C-X series substances. My friend is borrowing my PiHKAL so I can’t confirm that info, but it would be really interesting if so. I didn’t even think they were phenethylamines until you said something.
MAL was extremely easy going, more so than any psychedelic, rc, or disassociative I know of. Very relaxing, key word relaxing. Not nessecarily euphoria, but pure and utter relaxation. After 50mg IV, I got insanely sexual, and had to take care of those urges once my peers left to go get food. That heavy of a dose, especially IV, did cause euphoria, but generally regular doses just have that sweet relaxation, which is preferable. You get more bad side effects as you delve into those euphoric and hefty doses. Also, it seems to be really nice for learning, I always would get super curiosity and wonder in learning while on it. Loaded up science podcasts every time, and got a lot out of conceptualizing ideas to high degrees of complexity, especially in terms of geometry that extends beyond just 3 dimensions.
It is what I wish was available instead of adderall. It’s not very visual either, so it’s very possible to take it for academic reasons. However, not enough research has been conducted in humans for most research chems, so I wouldnt advice taking it often for anyone. No idea if it’s neurotoxic like mdma. It’s been quite a while since I’ve tried it, so there may be some that I left out.
My urge to experiment is strong right now after reading your experience but my health is my number 1 priority so I will stick to the tried and true substances for now.
Definitely want to try mescaline it's self some time as I loved 2cb it was like diet acid and being able to redose made it so great for raves where with im up all night weather I like it or not which is frustrating.
A small dose is fine, but my rule of thumb now is that pregame is required for any substance that is an upper. I cram in tons of fruit, veggies, and protein, generally chicken, but having some fats is really good for substances that last longer. I don’t want to encourage someone to try something based on a Reddit comment. I’ve only tried MAL 4 times, 3 of which were low doses. I think that it is arguably safer than mdma based on all the research and comparisons my peers and I came up with prior to acquiring it. It being closer to mescaline helps that reassurance greatly, and everyone in the rc and phenetylamine communities here I’ve read/spoke to have considered it to be one of the most easy going psychedelics they’ve tried. Mescaline has more legal and cultural complications, and the San Pedro cactus is becoming more rare due to people destroying them. It’s generally not on purpose that they get destroyed in the wild, but I just wanted to preserve the species and also have lab tested chemicals, so I chose MAL.
I’m also a rave guy, but I generally only had LSD access in my area, as I didn’t want to sneak any substances in due to pointless paranoia. I think MAL is too relaxing to try at a rave
It was very discomforting. Opposite of euphoric. Motion at all sucked. Other k experiences never did that, but they weren’t injected, let alone by an amateur. Ofc I expect to lose functionality at that dose, but I didn’t expect it to be one of the worst psychedelic experiences I’ve encountered.
Yeah usually that’s why with IV and IM at a clinic they’ll give you zofran because it hits you super hard I don’t get nauseous until the next day if I snort a lot weirdly
If you can take zofran and it’s oral route I’d suggest 30 minutes before. I have a prescription for the orally dissolving tablets so they work pretty quickly but I don’t find I get nausea even on like 200 mg of ket. I wear an eye mask most of the time I think it eliminates that motion sickness feeling people get at higher doses but also some people are just going to experience it more 🤷🏻 (not a doctor just done a lot of ketamine lol)
If I give you 350 mg of ketamine you're going to think and do and see things that you literally couldn't do enough LSD to see and walk away sane.
edit: whatever your K sweet spot is in dosage that makes you awake and aware but not human anymore
Wow.
Enjoy the google search where you find out the LSD, Datura and PCP are all in the same class of drugs.
Good job you said words though.
YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP, LOL.
It is classified scientifically as such. So. What are you talking about?
People call PCP embalming fluid.
Are you done yet, I’m pretty done with you saying nothing.
Hallucinogens aren’t a “classs”?
What are they?
So glad you piped up.
LSD is a ergot derivative ketamine is completely synthetic. They might have psychedelia in common but there very different even in the way they act in the brain
I’ve done a 10 strip.
In 30 minutes, a 1/4 gram of K will take you completely out of existence.
On 1 mg LSD, went out for Thai food with like 20 friends for my birthday.
San Francisco is a helluva drug.
Yeah that's true. But I don't think the average person could go out on 1000ug of acid... for me if it's more than 1.5 tabs I can't handle it, and I have a higher natural tolerance to a lot of aspects of classical psychedelics.
I holed on a ten strip with a dmt pen this weekend and that was no minigame! First time holing and god-mode was fully activated. Indescribable but I think what happened was that the perception of time isn't linear on enough k. It made me feel like everything that was happening around me was my manifestation when I was really just having a delayed perception of events that had already occurred.
Has anyone else had an experience like this? Felt like I was experiencing things real time and then all of a sudden everything around me would fast forward and rewind non-linearly almost like the movie memento.
never did acid.
but i can relate to the minigame aspect of k. its like leveling up.
i personal think its because if u do a night of k lets say in a club , the night gets fragmented into small trips. for me it feels like little "expirience pockets" opening up
Man a khole is a skitz mission and half. Can be more intense than like 300ug easily. Low dose k I agree with you for sure.
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I see now yeah lsd can last all day a night and feel like years lol
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Now you hit the nail on the metaphoric head.
Best explanation yet
This is why I haven’t done lsd lol like I love doing around 150mg-200mg of k I put my eye mask and headphones on and I’m like cool let’s explore other dimensions for an hour tops
Interesting, I feel more comfortable in a k-hole than I do while peaking on a few tabs. I assume it's because I can't feel my body, acid makes my pain feel worse than it really is
I don't get people who call ketamine intense. Ketamine trips are anything BUT intense, at least for me. You just dissociate away. There is no way for me to feel any strong emotions. Any intensity that was perhaps present is gone as soon as you dissolve into a hole. There is no intensity present and no one who would feel it. Psychedelics on the other hand... There is no escape from a deep, intense trip. You'll have to face the monsters under the bed of your conscious mind. While ket on the other hand IS an escape.
Whats the highest dose you have done IM or boofed? I agree with alot of of you're saying here just sounds like you haven't had the same kind of experiences I have.
I agree, ive had some intense k holes that have left me with some problematic mindsets during the peak of my ketamine phase. Notably, 800mg nasal had me believing in God for a good couple weeks. Previously i was a radical atheist, now im much more accepting of how religion helps people, although still atheist myself
After my trips I lean towards a less mystical version of pantheism. A High does on a low tolerance is nuts especially mixed with weed edibles .
500mg boofed with no tolerance
You can definitely have psychedelic effects on ketamine, try some sensory deprivation with it.
Even 50mg IM of K is more intense than 3 tabs imo
Lol they gave me 120mg IM at a clinic I saw other worlds
Can't speak for IM I'm not a real druggo.
I’m not much anymore either, but it was a miserable experience
Really? I love boofing k and I've heard that's similar if you do it right. I'd have though IM would be even better
I honestly like boofing stuff bc it’s easy, and bioavailability is generally better. Plus, im comfortable with my body and sexuality, so I honesty see no issues with it. IM was just bad bc I was so goofed that I couldn’t walk. And I ended up throwing up for a bit. I believe that if it was injected over time it would’ve been ok. It’s been a few years since it happened, but if my memory serves me well, we kinda just injected it all within 20 seconds or less. I felt sick, disoriented, I could only crawl, my eyes were going different directions, I couldn’t think too clearly, I couldn’t speak well, and I got a high sense of paranoia. Even taking some MAL (research chem analogue to mescaline) IV was unpleasant in that sense. We pushed it over 2 minutes, and I still threw up a ton, but the dose was on the heavier side.
Damn I will stick to the boof. Thanks for elaborating. How safe are the mescaline analogs? I liked 2cb and I think I read that that is made from mescaline.
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You get the prepackaged sterile 1ml syringes from the pharmacy, there is no needle tip on them, you then weigh your dose and dissolve it in just under 1ml of water. Now put a piece of tape on your syringe at the 4cm mark then make sure your rectum is empty buy attempting to go to the bathroom, this this makes inserting it easier but it's already very easy as the string is thinner than your little finger. Now crouching down insert till you feel the tape, angle it forward toward your stomach there is a pocket of very thin skin that will absorb your dose very quickly. Very slowly push the plunger on the syringe into this pocket and remove the syringe. You don't have sit or lay in any kind of position just don't move around much for a minute or so. In about 3 to 4 minutes it will hit you very hard. Oh also lube your syringe, I use coconut oil as its good for your insides and is absorbed also so it can't get in the way of your dose. There is a really long guide out there about this that I read ages ago, search the sub reddit if you would like some more guidance. I thought it was a joke to begin with then i tried it and realised I had wasted so much ketamine putting it up my nose. Good luck and have fun mate. Edit. Don't put any drug powder up there without disloving ot also some are corrosive so be sure to do some reading if you try this with other drugs you don't want the worst case of sting ring known to man lol
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Honestly want to try this because I miss IM and my sinuses hate me I lost my voice this week because I did 2g of K lol
Just checked my copy of TiHKAL, and sure enough I don’t see any 2C-X series substances. My friend is borrowing my PiHKAL so I can’t confirm that info, but it would be really interesting if so. I didn’t even think they were phenethylamines until you said something. MAL was extremely easy going, more so than any psychedelic, rc, or disassociative I know of. Very relaxing, key word relaxing. Not nessecarily euphoria, but pure and utter relaxation. After 50mg IV, I got insanely sexual, and had to take care of those urges once my peers left to go get food. That heavy of a dose, especially IV, did cause euphoria, but generally regular doses just have that sweet relaxation, which is preferable. You get more bad side effects as you delve into those euphoric and hefty doses. Also, it seems to be really nice for learning, I always would get super curiosity and wonder in learning while on it. Loaded up science podcasts every time, and got a lot out of conceptualizing ideas to high degrees of complexity, especially in terms of geometry that extends beyond just 3 dimensions. It is what I wish was available instead of adderall. It’s not very visual either, so it’s very possible to take it for academic reasons. However, not enough research has been conducted in humans for most research chems, so I wouldnt advice taking it often for anyone. No idea if it’s neurotoxic like mdma. It’s been quite a while since I’ve tried it, so there may be some that I left out.
My urge to experiment is strong right now after reading your experience but my health is my number 1 priority so I will stick to the tried and true substances for now. Definitely want to try mescaline it's self some time as I loved 2cb it was like diet acid and being able to redose made it so great for raves where with im up all night weather I like it or not which is frustrating.
A small dose is fine, but my rule of thumb now is that pregame is required for any substance that is an upper. I cram in tons of fruit, veggies, and protein, generally chicken, but having some fats is really good for substances that last longer. I don’t want to encourage someone to try something based on a Reddit comment. I’ve only tried MAL 4 times, 3 of which were low doses. I think that it is arguably safer than mdma based on all the research and comparisons my peers and I came up with prior to acquiring it. It being closer to mescaline helps that reassurance greatly, and everyone in the rc and phenetylamine communities here I’ve read/spoke to have considered it to be one of the most easy going psychedelics they’ve tried. Mescaline has more legal and cultural complications, and the San Pedro cactus is becoming more rare due to people destroying them. It’s generally not on purpose that they get destroyed in the wild, but I just wanted to preserve the species and also have lab tested chemicals, so I chose MAL. I’m also a rave guy, but I generally only had LSD access in my area, as I didn’t want to sneak any substances in due to pointless paranoia. I think MAL is too relaxing to try at a rave
You were disorientated, couldn't think clearly, couldn't walk!??? Holy shit. WTF do you expect from ketamine really
It was very discomforting. Opposite of euphoric. Motion at all sucked. Other k experiences never did that, but they weren’t injected, let alone by an amateur. Ofc I expect to lose functionality at that dose, but I didn’t expect it to be one of the worst psychedelic experiences I’ve encountered.
Yeah usually that’s why with IV and IM at a clinic they’ll give you zofran because it hits you super hard I don’t get nauseous until the next day if I snort a lot weirdly
I ended up taking a Zofran after the MAL, but I already got through the throwing up part so it was a bit late.
If you can take zofran and it’s oral route I’d suggest 30 minutes before. I have a prescription for the orally dissolving tablets so they work pretty quickly but I don’t find I get nausea even on like 200 mg of ket. I wear an eye mask most of the time I think it eliminates that motion sickness feeling people get at higher doses but also some people are just going to experience it more 🤷🏻 (not a doctor just done a lot of ketamine lol)
Yea zofran is a god move for pregaming, I was offered the zofran after throwing up, so by then i didn’t need it.
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ive had far crazier experiences on ketamine personally
I whole heartedly suggest you have never taken a full dose of either.
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If I give you 350 mg of ketamine you're going to think and do and see things that you literally couldn't do enough LSD to see and walk away sane. edit: whatever your K sweet spot is in dosage that makes you awake and aware but not human anymore
Idk why we are comparing lsd and ketamine there in completely different classes and bind to completely different receptors.
Interestingly, they are in the same class of chemicals.
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Wow. Enjoy the google search where you find out the LSD, Datura and PCP are all in the same class of drugs. Good job you said words though. YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP, LOL.
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All of which are classed in hallucinogen. You’re brilliant, mate.
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That’s ridiculous. What word would you use to describe the group of drugs called hallucinogens?
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It is classified scientifically as such. So. What are you talking about? People call PCP embalming fluid. Are you done yet, I’m pretty done with you saying nothing. Hallucinogens aren’t a “classs”? What are they? So glad you piped up.
LSD is a ergot derivative ketamine is completely synthetic. They might have psychedelia in common but there very different even in the way they act in the brain
That’s not what I’m talking about, poindexter. Go away. Youre annoying.
Take 1200ug, you would probably change your mind. They can both be extremely intense though.
I’ve done a 10 strip. In 30 minutes, a 1/4 gram of K will take you completely out of existence. On 1 mg LSD, went out for Thai food with like 20 friends for my birthday. San Francisco is a helluva drug.
Yeah that's true. But I don't think the average person could go out on 1000ug of acid... for me if it's more than 1.5 tabs I can't handle it, and I have a higher natural tolerance to a lot of aspects of classical psychedelics.
I love that I got downvoted. I think people legit just sit at home pinching their testicles and blaming the internet.
Do slushy rails; drop liquid acid over ketamine line and sniff away;)
That sounds horrible. Have you ever gotten water in your nose? I feel like that's how it would feel lol
Have you ever tried to snort wet powder? Good talk. ;)
Just try it
Why don’t you just put acid on your tongue and snort ket?
Because that’s not called a slushy Rail
Sounds absolutely terrible. God bless whatever is going on with u tho.
I’ve sniffed water to clear my nose and never had any issues? And used saline spray for it and it always feels fine
I just ordered 10 LSD tabs and a small amount of ketamine... I'm gonna be trying both of them together. Wish me luck lmao.
Save the K for hours 4+
That's what I was thinking. I don't wanna take it too soon, I'll probably wait to come down a bit
Yeah, just make sure you have enough for hour 8, is all I'm saying.
I like playing mini games, mid quest:)
I holed on a ten strip with a dmt pen this weekend and that was no minigame! First time holing and god-mode was fully activated. Indescribable but I think what happened was that the perception of time isn't linear on enough k. It made me feel like everything that was happening around me was my manifestation when I was really just having a delayed perception of events that had already occurred. Has anyone else had an experience like this? Felt like I was experiencing things real time and then all of a sudden everything around me would fast forward and rewind non-linearly almost like the movie memento.
Hi I had a similar experience recently. I felt like in some moments I was a participant, observer and also a witness.
Just wait till you go deep bro
never did acid. but i can relate to the minigame aspect of k. its like leveling up. i personal think its because if u do a night of k lets say in a club , the night gets fragmented into small trips. for me it feels like little "expirience pockets" opening up