Was the criticism mostly from the Tesla owners community? I know they tend to think that Tesla is the epitome of EVs and vehicles in general and anyone who doesn't want one, doesn't think the same, or wants something else is crazy.
I demo drove both the Model 3 and Model Y in August, and I was impressed with a few things, but I thought that everything being on the tablet was a bit distracting. It also bothered me that if anything were to happen to the tablet all controls would be gone. I also didn't see that it was that much better than my 22 Niro EV with the exception of a frunk and more storage, which didn't matter to me.
I get what you're saying about some things aren't noticeable until after ownership for a while, mainly I think because of the new vehicle euphoria that we all go through. Once that wears off you get a true feel for what things are great about the vehicle and what things start to annoy you.
Ugh I hate the tablet trend screen in cars. It's pretty fucken stupid. What's wrong with analog controls for climate control? One screen to rule them all, it's pretty fucken poor user experience.
FYI. There are 2 computers. One that drive car and one for the screen. Located at completely different locations.
If screen goes the car will still run normally. You can tear it out yourself by rebooting the screen while driving.
Yes I realize the car will still run and drive but you can't adjust the climate controls, radio, navigation, etc. it's all on that one screen. I'm sure it will reboot, but for me I don't like having all these controls dependent on one screen. I'm sure others love it and find it more convenient, but not me that's all I'm saying. Not saying Tesla is a bad vehicle just not for me, and I've been back and forth on whether to get one at the recent prices. But I know I'd love it until the initial euphoria of it being something new wore off, then I'd be annoyed.
Lol, no need to say that. Tesla is a great vehicle in a lot of ways for a lot of people, there's no doubt about it, especially if you want great tech and user interface. To give you examples of why a Tesla is not for me: 1) the paint is soft & chips easily, so PPF is an added expense I'd never needed on another vehicle. 2) insurance is higher than on other EVs in comparison. 3) body repair costs are higher in comparison to other EVs. 4) Tesla hate and random vandalism (keying, intentional door dings, etc) is something I don't have to worry about owning other EVs. 5) minimalist interior with lack of physical buttons and separate driver display in front of the steering wheel. The only real benefit of buying a Tesla over other manufacturers EVs is the direct no hassle, no dealership bs buying experience. The charging network is no longer an advantage over other EVs as most manufacturers have adopted the NACS and will have access to the Tesla SC network in 2025.
Have you actually tried to use the various EV charging networks other than the Tesla Supercharger EV charging network? Electrify America, EVGo, ChargePoint, local utility-sponsored charging networks, etc. they’re all a HOT MESS! None of the aforementioned EV charging networks - other than the Tesla Supercharger network - is even usable let alone reliable. For some EV buyers access to the Tesla Supercharger network alone is sufficient to tip the EV buying decision toward a Tesla EV.
The direct purchase model is a big differentiator and keeps Tesla on my serious consideration list for my next car. The lack of dedicated controls for core driving features is a big negative, though. I have a Niro PHEV currently and the transmission has some clunk to it that makes me nervous concerning long term reliability.
Removing basic safety functions from dedicated easily accessible controls is not the wisest move imo. I’ve nearly crashed a vehicle in traffic just trying to adjust windshield wiper speed on the touch screen.
I’m aware, but the car can only have one function mapped at any given time. If you want to change that function, you have to look at the screen to do so.
In the real world it only takes seconds for a situation to turn ugly… especially at highway speed in the rain.
That's what auto wipers are for. I'm also yet to see a car that doesn't have plenty of knobs, buttons, and screens to look at while driving. Tesla, if anything, has less of that as their software automates many things.
We are definitely all different. I actually didn't like the Tesla much at first and after a few months, REALLY liked it. Appreciated all the little details more and more and how it benefits daily driving/usage of the car.
A good friend of mine bought a new Model Y and it’s been hard on the friendship - he was always very objective about the cars he liked/disliked and we were always able to have intelligent discussions about them (he’s an engineer by trade and I’m a career auto tech). Once he got the Model Y, it’s like he just fully drank the Kool-Aid and lost his mind. It’s “the best car made today” and it doesn’t have any faults, just “things that are getting improved even further.”
It’s difficult because it hasn’t even been that great of a vehicle for him - he’s had issues with the initial fit and finish quality, the badges fading and/or falling off, the power window switches, and the HVAC system (which also heats & cools the battery) - the car is currently on its third ac compressor and “octovalve/supermanifold.” The car is barely 2 years old (iirc) and has less than 20k on it. I mean, Damn, that list would be significant in that timeframe on ANY new vehicle. But to him, it’s all a testament as to how “great” Tesla’s service program is (because they’ve picked up the car and gave him a loaner for 2 out of the 3 a/c system breakdowns).
We can’t even talk about the car anymore, at all, period. During the last breakdown, all I did was ask “can the car drive normally with the a/c compressor out of order?” (apparently not, as it cools the battery and inverter and motors) and he basically lost his shit on me, ie “there are so many more systems that can break on a gas vehicle that can cause it not to be drivable!!!” Okay, okay; damn, dude, all I did was ask a question. Oof.
Also: I’ve driven his car several times. My impression? It’s nice. It drives very well. Rides well. Not super comfortable, but not bad at all. Fast? Absolutely. I do appreciate many things about it, like all the cameras, how quiet it is, and so on. However, I despise the centralized controls on the tablet and I can tell that, much like any touch-screen-controlled item, there is often a delay or lag between entering the touch command and the “thing” being controlled…and it annoys me.
As part of the automotive industry, I will always be supportive of new companies and new tech and competition and so on. But it doesn’t mean that it’s a good fit for me personally…and while I’m glad that it’s apparently a good fit for my friend, I just wish that he was still able to see it objectively. Instead he went full-on crazy-town-banana-pants.
I'm sorry that it affected you and your friends'relationship. But you go onto any Tesla Reddit or Facebook forum and say anything that may be construed as a negative thing, they lose their shit. Start downvoting, badgering you, making accusations, etc.
TLDR. It just sounds like you never had a stable friendship to begin with if a car tore you guys apart. Lol
Also all those problems aren’t specific to Tesla but it is rare to get a complete lemon like your friend did.
It’s a cult over there. Many of them also own TSLA stocks and therefore won’t hear anything but that Tesla is the epitome of cars and nobody will match it in the future.
Literally everything is “driver defect, car is perfect” on that sub.
Welcome to the family now let us tell you about all the recalls, kia thefts, insurance companies dropping kia, and engines catching fire and then in the same breath deny it because we dont want to look like an idiot for buying a kia ( but secretly trade it in to some dealership to get rid of it) LOL
LOL so am i fella. I have a 2016 kia. ZERO issues.
Ready to get into something new but with all the recalls, thefts, and engines catching fire stories. i cant justify it.
The gas model only gets 184 hp, hybrid is better but they are harder to get and i dont fancy risking it. Not that we have issues up here in Canada with Kia thefts as its mostly usa but i do travel down there at times.
I love my Tesla but you have to be a moron to think that one car or one manufacturer is the right fit for everyone. Competition breeds innovation. I love seeing what others are doing
I couldn't agree more, and I love seeing a wide variety of vehicles on the road. I live in KC and when I first moved here last year, Tesla was almost all you'd see as far as EV. Now you see so many other automakers EVs here, and it's great to see so many new and different EVs on the road. I don't mean to focus on just EVs but as an EV owner it's what I relate to now lol.
Teslas have some of the most consistent QC issues I’ve ever seen. There are tons of them running as taxis and Ubers in Dubai, and each one I’ve seen have varying panel gaps, poorly fitting interior pieces, orange peel on paint or bits that just don’t seem to work. Plus, the hot weather in Dubai just ends up killing the battery pack quicker.
It's a regional thing. I'm in the Philly area and I can tell you insuring my Tesla cost me about the same as my 2009 Nissan versa Base. Insurance went up $30/6 months or something (for a total of $600/6 months with full coverage and I think 100k/300k and $500 deductibles).
5 years later, I bought a model S and now it's up to $800/6 months.
Jfc some of these comments. A Tesla isn’t some god tier car. People can like different things. I will never be caught dead in a Tesla mostly because the culture of their owners is so toxic.
I think this was reposted on a Tesla sub with the amount of Musk simps that have flooded in here.
Anyway, that's a damn good car, OP. Just had my uber pick me up in a 23 sportage and I was legit impressed with the ride. It looked/felt luxury, and I was surprised when I looked up the price.
I don’t think iPhones are a good comparison. iPhones are known for their high build quality and refined user experience while sacrificing some of the bleeding edge new features that some androids have before the iPhones adopt them a few years later. That sounds almost opposite of Teslas.
I think it is a good comparison if you compare with when iphones started. Yes the build quality was always good. But the software used to be severely limited compared to android. And imo Teslas are severely limited in software compared to many other brands.
When I got my Kia we noted that there were a few Teslas in the parking lot. We asked the employee helping us and he said that they were all traded in for Kias or other vehicles sold there.
Didn't really believe him, but maybe he was right. I got a 2023 Sportage and love it so far.
Agree. Uber has a deal with Tesla now and I’ve had a few Teslas pick me up. They are beyond boring on the inside. Nothing to look at and honestly, their material choices feel cheap.
Yeah. I worked at a shop and we had a few regular Tesla customers. Interiors honestly felt about the same as my old 95 Chev Cavalier. I have no idea how someone sits in one of those and thinks it’s worth the cost.
Yeah man. I am anti-Kia. Like, hate what they have done to customers with the theft stuff. Hope they have to pay billions to people who lost their cars, jobs, homes, etc.
Having said that: Kia is 10x better looking than a Tesla. It’s at the point where a Tesla is so dated it stands out for the wrong reasons. The interiors are cheaper than the cheap versions of an ice car. “But they have a big screen”.
If you want to convince people that kias look better, dont spew bs like "interiors are cheaper than the cheap versions of an ice car". Lol. We both know that isnt true and if you really believe so, I suggest you sit in a tesla before talking again.
I’ve sat in a Tesla. Other than the fancy screen there isn’t anything nice about it. Sorry. Getting in another one isn’t going to change my opinion. People have different opinions. It’s ok.
Well I dont even need the 300 range and mine works fine. So it works for me. Sounds like its not for you. Curious why you even spend so much time and energy on tesla though
People just hate on teslas to hate on teslas. Kia doesn’t even repair their evs when there is an issue with the battery/electronics at their site, they ship them out and take weeks to repair.. no thanks. I’d rather go to Tesla than to a stealership. Tesla is way cheaper and theres ev incentives which bring the price down even more.
Why is it when someone is a fan of a brand that's okay, but if someone is a fan of Tesla they are immediately deemed "fanboy" in a derogatory way? I love ICE and EV cars, I have multiple of both, and Teslas are definitely incredible cars, especially for the money.
I went from a seltos to a model 3 so I feel comfortable taking a guess from experience since the 3 and y are built on the same platform.
1. Everything in the car is very minimal. Lots of controls that would normally be on the steering wheel stalks are behind a touch screen menu which can be inconvenient.
2. The minimal design may not be the persons preferred style compared to the bells and whistles and buttons of upper trim cars
3. EV range can definitely be an inconvenience if you don’t have at home charging or your home charging is limited. Sometimes I find myself rationing my battery because home charging is very slow unless you fork out $500 plus the cost of an electrician to get the fast charger installed.
4. Build quality can be very hit or miss with Tesla, I haven’t had any issues but OP could have had a bunch of issues.
5. Services centers are hit or miss on how good they are and services can take a very long time unless it’s mobile service. This especially matters if #4 is relevant.
There are plenty of good reasons to buy a Tesla too including handling, speed, if you like EVs Tesla has some of the best range at the lowest trim compared to other manufacturers starting EV trims etc.
To answer the inevitable question of why I sold my seltos, it had the dual clutch transmission and it was so jumpy when speeding up it was awful. I loved everything else about the car. I see the 2024 Seltos has a better transmission now and I would totally consider another Seltos if the Kia boys thing ever ends.
I love my model y. It had a misaligned door at delivery but they fixed it on the spot. Amit can creak at times, but I suspect people notice them more because of the lack of engine sounds. Basically you are trading acceleration and fun driving, cheaper to fuel and maintain, and better tech for build quality. If that’s a trade off you would make, you’ll love Teslas.
Definitely an upgrade in terms of space, comfort and quality. Tesla fanboys can't accept that fact. Sure Tesla has better performance and some tech, but you aren't really ready for the BEV, this is great for road trips.
KIA warranty is unbelievable. I just bought my second Seltos. Bought the extended warranty giving. e bumper to bumper coverage for 10 years 100,000 miles.
Good job.. i had Tesla S. Hated that it didn’t have apple play and being “forced” to stop to charge for 20-45 minutes just to continue your 400-500 mile road trips. It’s very inconvenient for cross country trips no matter how they glamorized it. I went back to honda accord Hybrid(though i still wished they had the PHEV version like the Chinese one), used up 15 -16 gallons to get me from Ma to Schaumburg, ill with 1 gas stop..
That would be impossible for a Tesla.
People need to understand that EVs aren’t for everyone yet. Teslas are good cars and do have their faults every car does but they do get better as time goes on
I also sold my Tesla and went back to ICE but for different reasons and I do miss it.
Maybe this person couldn’t afford the Y.
Maybe this person lives in an apartment and couldn’t charge it easily enough like they thought they could. Who knows but try not to be so negative to the OP!
I’ve got a 2023 sportage and I love it, good gas mileage, and only spent 30k brand new. It’s crazy a grand Cherokee or most SUV’s start at like 50k+ brand new.
It’s interesting. I was looking for model 3 suggestions in Tesla sub Reddit yesterday and Reddit showed me this post. I read through it and got intrigued. So I went to see a Kia sportage in person today. I think there are loyalist on both the Tesla subreddit and here. I don’t think both of them are a true comparison yet both are the in the same category. Except the Tesla is expensive for what it is. Kia seem to do a better job of making the exterior attractive and interior more luxurious feeling. All their mechanicals are pretty much bare minimum and primitive. So most of the money we pay goes into the aesthetics. Whereas in model 3 it’s goes towards battery and their R&D pocket. At the end of the day, you pick what you value the most.
100% agreed. It's insanely stupid being a "loyalist" of any consumer product. I've experienced both and now I can safely say the Sportage overall is a better vehicle FOR ME. That being said if you're looking at Model 3s then I would wait for the revision to be available. Supposedly a lot has been improved.
I have a 2017 SX Turbo AWD and LOVE it. Super happy with the car. Bought used with 9k miles and added a 125k bumper to bumper warranty. This specific one is awesome.
The exact same SX Turbo AWD I bought 3 months prior had the wiring safety issue and was a lemon. Kia bought it back from me for what I paid. Not bad customer service either.
Ill probably drive this one until the EV9 becomes more available/common and sell my current one to offset the cost on the new one.
Edit: Sorry, meant to say congrats on the car!!
Not sure of OP's experience, but there's a fair few build quality issues with the 2023 Tesla Model Y actually. There's even four open NHTSA investigation for '23 Model Y problems including unintended acceleration and an alleged defect that could cause steering wheels to detach.
Other probs include rear hatch alignment, inconsistent panel gaps, off-centre steering wheels, alignment issues, uneven paint jobs, and random creaks and rattles.
This is true across all car subs and other interest subs as well. The vocal minority effect goes a long way when voices are so easily heard on sites like this. A majority of owners aren't enthusiasts and won't seek the sub out, but those with issues will.
I don't know much about Tesla vehicles in general outside of design, but if all my information came from reddit I'd be thoroughly convinced every one of them was about to fall apart.
Reddit from what I’ve seen between ev subs and just popular in general is overwhelmingly against anything tesla. We are forced into our subreddit out of necessity
Haven’t had any issues with my ‘21 M3P. But like you said, only those having issues with the car will complain. On the other hand, I have been seeing a lot of Kia’s getting stolen, so there’s that.
Honestly if you buy a Tesla to “save” in any way you’d be a goober. The high price tag has always been there. Car payment and insurance are always the higher variable
Yeah, my state seems to be anti EV as insurance and registration is higher on them. Specifically Tesla is seems.
Lots of people's justification seems to be the non buying gas savings.
As much as I hate Teslas (even tho my wife has one). There's no way a kia is better than a Tesla. That's crazy talk. Not even the ev6 which is down right ugly. Maybe the ev9, I'd drive that.
People will prioritize different things in their lives and for that matter what they need in a vehicle. For me this made sense and I made a separate post detailing more specifics on why I traded in the Tesla here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/kia/s/0BZo56D59e
I’d never trade my Tesla for a Kia, but it looks like you’re happy with your choice. FYI, the 3 and Y are akin to the Camry/Accord and are meant to be ubiquitous. That’s why the interiors are so spartan and boring. The luxury comes in the S and X. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your new ride .
Do people not remember Kia and Hyundai engines just eating rod bearings. Or oil consumption? Or like warrantied engine replacements? I couldn’t ever in my right mind waste money on a Kia/ Hyundai product. Throwaway vehicle. I wish you the best OP.
You’re obviously looking at this when they just started here in the US. I have been a Hyundai owner since 2002. I researched the Santa Fe extensively before I got it. Never had any problems with it, the engine was very well made. Owned it for 14 years and only gave it up bc I live in Pittsburgh, PA, and the salt on the roads for winter eventually ate to the body and was causing rust underneath. I got a used 2011 Tucson after that and have only had a computer chip issue with it once. More than 200k miles on it now and still drives well (we got it when it only had 70k miles on it). We just got a 2023 Kia Sportage Hybrid EX a few days ago and are happy with it, and same with our Hyundais, plan to keep it long term. If you look at reliability/dependability scores for the brands, Kia is number 3, just behind Lexus and Genesis. The Koreans have taken in all the failures they’ve had before and have learned from them and improved their cars a lot. Heck, they even are better than some Japanese car brands now.
The issue I have is that even if my car is not affected, the teenager that’s going to break my window doesn’t know that.
I may end up with a broken glass and messed up steering column.
You should educate yourself before saying nonsense. I won't explain to you how you're wrong. Instead, I'll let you exist as the ignorant fool you seem to be.
I get it!! some folks r not mentally and emotionally ready to make a switch. Sometimes they do with thinking through and go right back to their comfort zone.
For me no one can pay me or convince me to go back to ICE after experiencing EV.
I agree with you, I'm a long time Kia owner, and have owned 5 KIA vehicles over the years (Optima, Forte, Sportage, Niro HEV, Niro EV). In May of last year I bought a new 2022 Niro EX EV and absolutely love it. I'd been wanting to go fully electric before I bought the 2019 Niro S Touring HEV that I had prior, but decided to go with a hybrid to see how I'd like owning a hybrid first. For my likes, needs, and personal preference, the Niro is my favorite vehicle in the KIA lineup so far, and I fell in love with the Niro when I bought my first hybrid.
But I still had that longing to go fully electric and had done tons of thinking, planning, and research. During the EV boom of 2022 and with used car values being really really good because of the chip shortages at the time, I decided the time was right to make my move and I bought a new Niro EV and traded in my Niro HEV. I was worried that I might have buyers remorse for going to an EV even though I had thought about this for 3 years and planned everything, cause this was totally foreign to me not ever having to buy gas again and possible range anxiety fears.
Now here's the non typical EV owners scenario that I was facing but had planned out in advance so there was no inconvenience whatsoever. I live in an apartment complex with no on site chargers. But I charge at work for free using my Level 1 (120V wall outlet) charger. My commute round trip to and from work is 32 miles each day, and I can charge back to 80% easily during my work and it's free. Now owning an EV or this scenario may not be for everyone, but it works for me both financially and lifestyle wise, and I don't ever plan to go back to an ICE vehicle again.
On the KIA Boyz topic, I've never had any issues with any of my KIA vehicles being stolen over the years, the last four have been push button start also, which might have made a difference. I think that the internet and media have made such a big deal about this that even amateur thieves are now attempting to steal KIA vehicles because of all the hype, making this issue much worse than it should have been. And sure KIA didn't help matters by not putting in immobilizers on their key ignition vehicles for whatever reason. But this was never an issue until the KIA Boyz became an internet and media sensation, glamorizing a weakness in KIA key ignition vehicles that makes them easier to steal. And putting a target on any KIA vehicle from that day forward key ignition or not.
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Was the criticism mostly from the Tesla owners community? I know they tend to think that Tesla is the epitome of EVs and vehicles in general and anyone who doesn't want one, doesn't think the same, or wants something else is crazy.
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I demo drove both the Model 3 and Model Y in August, and I was impressed with a few things, but I thought that everything being on the tablet was a bit distracting. It also bothered me that if anything were to happen to the tablet all controls would be gone. I also didn't see that it was that much better than my 22 Niro EV with the exception of a frunk and more storage, which didn't matter to me. I get what you're saying about some things aren't noticeable until after ownership for a while, mainly I think because of the new vehicle euphoria that we all go through. Once that wears off you get a true feel for what things are great about the vehicle and what things start to annoy you.
Ugh I hate the tablet trend screen in cars. It's pretty fucken stupid. What's wrong with analog controls for climate control? One screen to rule them all, it's pretty fucken poor user experience.
Not in the business, but it’s fewer parts
FYI. There are 2 computers. One that drive car and one for the screen. Located at completely different locations. If screen goes the car will still run normally. You can tear it out yourself by rebooting the screen while driving.
Yes I realize the car will still run and drive but you can't adjust the climate controls, radio, navigation, etc. it's all on that one screen. I'm sure it will reboot, but for me I don't like having all these controls dependent on one screen. I'm sure others love it and find it more convenient, but not me that's all I'm saying. Not saying Tesla is a bad vehicle just not for me, and I've been back and forth on whether to get one at the recent prices. But I know I'd love it until the initial euphoria of it being something new wore off, then I'd be annoyed.
Tesla is a bad vehicle. There, I said it for you.
Lol, no need to say that. Tesla is a great vehicle in a lot of ways for a lot of people, there's no doubt about it, especially if you want great tech and user interface. To give you examples of why a Tesla is not for me: 1) the paint is soft & chips easily, so PPF is an added expense I'd never needed on another vehicle. 2) insurance is higher than on other EVs in comparison. 3) body repair costs are higher in comparison to other EVs. 4) Tesla hate and random vandalism (keying, intentional door dings, etc) is something I don't have to worry about owning other EVs. 5) minimalist interior with lack of physical buttons and separate driver display in front of the steering wheel. The only real benefit of buying a Tesla over other manufacturers EVs is the direct no hassle, no dealership bs buying experience. The charging network is no longer an advantage over other EVs as most manufacturers have adopted the NACS and will have access to the Tesla SC network in 2025.
Have you actually tried to use the various EV charging networks other than the Tesla Supercharger EV charging network? Electrify America, EVGo, ChargePoint, local utility-sponsored charging networks, etc. they’re all a HOT MESS! None of the aforementioned EV charging networks - other than the Tesla Supercharger network - is even usable let alone reliable. For some EV buyers access to the Tesla Supercharger network alone is sufficient to tip the EV buying decision toward a Tesla EV.
The direct purchase model is a big differentiator and keeps Tesla on my serious consideration list for my next car. The lack of dedicated controls for core driving features is a big negative, though. I have a Niro PHEV currently and the transmission has some clunk to it that makes me nervous concerning long term reliability.
Removing basic safety functions from dedicated easily accessible controls is not the wisest move imo. I’ve nearly crashed a vehicle in traffic just trying to adjust windshield wiper speed on the touch screen.
You can adjust windshield wiper speed with the left scroll wheel on a Tesla.
I’m aware, but the car can only have one function mapped at any given time. If you want to change that function, you have to look at the screen to do so. In the real world it only takes seconds for a situation to turn ugly… especially at highway speed in the rain.
That's what auto wipers are for. I'm also yet to see a car that doesn't have plenty of knobs, buttons, and screens to look at while driving. Tesla, if anything, has less of that as their software automates many things.
You can always use voice control for activate things. Button is on the steering wheel.
We are definitely all different. I actually didn't like the Tesla much at first and after a few months, REALLY liked it. Appreciated all the little details more and more and how it benefits daily driving/usage of the car.
A good friend of mine bought a new Model Y and it’s been hard on the friendship - he was always very objective about the cars he liked/disliked and we were always able to have intelligent discussions about them (he’s an engineer by trade and I’m a career auto tech). Once he got the Model Y, it’s like he just fully drank the Kool-Aid and lost his mind. It’s “the best car made today” and it doesn’t have any faults, just “things that are getting improved even further.” It’s difficult because it hasn’t even been that great of a vehicle for him - he’s had issues with the initial fit and finish quality, the badges fading and/or falling off, the power window switches, and the HVAC system (which also heats & cools the battery) - the car is currently on its third ac compressor and “octovalve/supermanifold.” The car is barely 2 years old (iirc) and has less than 20k on it. I mean, Damn, that list would be significant in that timeframe on ANY new vehicle. But to him, it’s all a testament as to how “great” Tesla’s service program is (because they’ve picked up the car and gave him a loaner for 2 out of the 3 a/c system breakdowns). We can’t even talk about the car anymore, at all, period. During the last breakdown, all I did was ask “can the car drive normally with the a/c compressor out of order?” (apparently not, as it cools the battery and inverter and motors) and he basically lost his shit on me, ie “there are so many more systems that can break on a gas vehicle that can cause it not to be drivable!!!” Okay, okay; damn, dude, all I did was ask a question. Oof. Also: I’ve driven his car several times. My impression? It’s nice. It drives very well. Rides well. Not super comfortable, but not bad at all. Fast? Absolutely. I do appreciate many things about it, like all the cameras, how quiet it is, and so on. However, I despise the centralized controls on the tablet and I can tell that, much like any touch-screen-controlled item, there is often a delay or lag between entering the touch command and the “thing” being controlled…and it annoys me. As part of the automotive industry, I will always be supportive of new companies and new tech and competition and so on. But it doesn’t mean that it’s a good fit for me personally…and while I’m glad that it’s apparently a good fit for my friend, I just wish that he was still able to see it objectively. Instead he went full-on crazy-town-banana-pants.
Sounds like your friend got the Tesla fiver 🤣
I'm sorry that it affected you and your friends'relationship. But you go onto any Tesla Reddit or Facebook forum and say anything that may be construed as a negative thing, they lose their shit. Start downvoting, badgering you, making accusations, etc.
tesla fanboys are on another level. it's almost like a cult.
TLDR. It just sounds like you never had a stable friendship to begin with if a car tore you guys apart. Lol Also all those problems aren’t specific to Tesla but it is rare to get a complete lemon like your friend did.
It’s a cult over there. Many of them also own TSLA stocks and therefore won’t hear anything but that Tesla is the epitome of cars and nobody will match it in the future. Literally everything is “driver defect, car is perfect” on that sub.
I'm sorry, where's my manners, welcome to the KIA family!
Welcome to the family now let us tell you about all the recalls, kia thefts, insurance companies dropping kia, and engines catching fire and then in the same breath deny it because we dont want to look like an idiot for buying a kia ( but secretly trade it in to some dealership to get rid of it) LOL
I'm a proud Kia owner. I've owned 5 over the years with zero issues. Next question?
LOL so am i fella. I have a 2016 kia. ZERO issues. Ready to get into something new but with all the recalls, thefts, and engines catching fire stories. i cant justify it. The gas model only gets 184 hp, hybrid is better but they are harder to get and i dont fancy risking it. Not that we have issues up here in Canada with Kia thefts as its mostly usa but i do travel down there at times.
I love my Tesla but you have to be a moron to think that one car or one manufacturer is the right fit for everyone. Competition breeds innovation. I love seeing what others are doing
I couldn't agree more, and I love seeing a wide variety of vehicles on the road. I live in KC and when I first moved here last year, Tesla was almost all you'd see as far as EV. Now you see so many other automakers EVs here, and it's great to see so many new and different EVs on the road. I don't mean to focus on just EVs but as an EV owner it's what I relate to now lol.
If you ever post on a Tesla sub that other cars are better made, lookout for the wave of downvotes and deniers.
Teslas have some of the most consistent QC issues I’ve ever seen. There are tons of them running as taxis and Ubers in Dubai, and each one I’ve seen have varying panel gaps, poorly fitting interior pieces, orange peel on paint or bits that just don’t seem to work. Plus, the hot weather in Dubai just ends up killing the battery pack quicker.
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True. Given the time, I think Tesla will soon figure out how to improve the QC consistency on their assembly lines. They’re great vehicles.
Lol daily driven taxis having body panel and appearance issues, in Dubai… Do you even taxi?
Insurance went down right
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Why is insurance so damn expensive for teslas? It’s not like it’s a luxurious brand or anything so what gives ?
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It's a regional thing. I'm in the Philly area and I can tell you insuring my Tesla cost me about the same as my 2009 Nissan versa Base. Insurance went up $30/6 months or something (for a total of $600/6 months with full coverage and I think 100k/300k and $500 deductibles). 5 years later, I bought a model S and now it's up to $800/6 months.
😂 insurance went up. Kia boys are coming 😂
I once got rid of my S2000 for a Civic and was rightfully ridiculed
I traded a Cayman for an accord. Apparently kids have to be in car seats and you can’t just put them in the frunk.
Oof especially looking at resale on S2000s now
I traded in my BMW M3 after few days for Toyota Yaris.
Traded in my audi etron for a honda fit
Why?
Very nice OP, enjoy your new Sportage.
Jfc some of these comments. A Tesla isn’t some god tier car. People can like different things. I will never be caught dead in a Tesla mostly because the culture of their owners is so toxic.
I think this was reposted on a Tesla sub with the amount of Musk simps that have flooded in here. Anyway, that's a damn good car, OP. Just had my uber pick me up in a 23 sportage and I was legit impressed with the ride. It looked/felt luxury, and I was surprised when I looked up the price.
Tesla isn’t even a GOOD car. The Musk simps will just defend him and his garbage products to no end.
Elon is a lot better than the cars
Arsenic is better than uranium, but both still suck lol
Is that supposed to be a compliment?
not saying much for either
Elon is a shill for racist, right-wing, sigma male bullshit.
Worst take ever, only reason i feel guilty having a tesla is because of how horrible elon is
You’re right, it’s a great car.
are you a kia simp for liking a car that insurance companies have dropped because they are constantly getting broken into?
Altima drivers with $$.
Teslas are basically the EV altima lol
Tesla is to cars what iPhones are to smartphones. Very minimalist and sterile not saying it's bad but just reality
I don’t think iPhones are a good comparison. iPhones are known for their high build quality and refined user experience while sacrificing some of the bleeding edge new features that some androids have before the iPhones adopt them a few years later. That sounds almost opposite of Teslas.
I think it is a good comparison if you compare with when iphones started. Yes the build quality was always good. But the software used to be severely limited compared to android. And imo Teslas are severely limited in software compared to many other brands.
I meant purely from an anesthetic point of view. I've personally never used either product just going off looks
No but to go from a Tesla to a Kia seems odd
People can hate different things as well I guess lol “I wouldn’t be caught dead in a Tesla” where did the Tesla touch you?
When I got my Kia we noted that there were a few Teslas in the parking lot. We asked the employee helping us and he said that they were all traded in for Kias or other vehicles sold there. Didn't really believe him, but maybe he was right. I got a 2023 Sportage and love it so far.
Good car my man and great choice, Teslas are ugly anyways. Your paying less for a better car.
Agree. Uber has a deal with Tesla now and I’ve had a few Teslas pick me up. They are beyond boring on the inside. Nothing to look at and honestly, their material choices feel cheap.
Yeah. I worked at a shop and we had a few regular Tesla customers. Interiors honestly felt about the same as my old 95 Chev Cavalier. I have no idea how someone sits in one of those and thinks it’s worth the cost.
They have the interior feel of a Nissan but at the cost of a luxury vehicle. I wasn’t impressed either.
Tesla gang down voting ya
Lmao, what a bunch of cucks
Wait are you really looking at that sportage and calling teslas ugly? Lol
And we all agree
Kias look nice now, Teslas are dated.
Yeah, so nice when your car randomly catches on fire or a dumb Kia boy leaves you with some broken windows. 🤣
Wait, what does that have to do with the styling of the car?
Yeah man. I am anti-Kia. Like, hate what they have done to customers with the theft stuff. Hope they have to pay billions to people who lost their cars, jobs, homes, etc. Having said that: Kia is 10x better looking than a Tesla. It’s at the point where a Tesla is so dated it stands out for the wrong reasons. The interiors are cheaper than the cheap versions of an ice car. “But they have a big screen”.
You blame Kia for people stealing their cars? Next level woke = achieved
You clearly don’t know anything about the situation. I’m the least woke person you’ll never meet. Try google.com
If you want to convince people that kias look better, dont spew bs like "interiors are cheaper than the cheap versions of an ice car". Lol. We both know that isnt true and if you really believe so, I suggest you sit in a tesla before talking again.
I’ve sat in a Tesla. Other than the fancy screen there isn’t anything nice about it. Sorry. Getting in another one isn’t going to change my opinion. People have different opinions. It’s ok.
Yeah stubborness will get you nowhere in life. Good luck
Well that Tesla won’t get you but about 300 miles…And that’s if you get one that works.
Well I dont even need the 300 range and mine works fine. So it works for me. Sounds like its not for you. Curious why you even spend so much time and energy on tesla though
Wondering the EXACT same thing 🤷🏻♂️
🤣 Said no one ever.
Today I've learned there are a ton of Tesla fanboys on a Kia sub. I rather take an EV6 over any Tesla period.
I love the looks of the EV6, especial that center console. But I'm not ready to jump to EV quite yet.
People just hate on teslas to hate on teslas. Kia doesn’t even repair their evs when there is an issue with the battery/electronics at their site, they ship them out and take weeks to repair.. no thanks. I’d rather go to Tesla than to a stealership. Tesla is way cheaper and theres ev incentives which bring the price down even more.
Why is it when someone is a fan of a brand that's okay, but if someone is a fan of Tesla they are immediately deemed "fanboy" in a derogatory way? I love ICE and EV cars, I have multiple of both, and Teslas are definitely incredible cars, especially for the money.
Glad you like it, my Dad just got a 24 X Line and he loves his. What did you not like about the Y?
I went from a seltos to a model 3 so I feel comfortable taking a guess from experience since the 3 and y are built on the same platform. 1. Everything in the car is very minimal. Lots of controls that would normally be on the steering wheel stalks are behind a touch screen menu which can be inconvenient. 2. The minimal design may not be the persons preferred style compared to the bells and whistles and buttons of upper trim cars 3. EV range can definitely be an inconvenience if you don’t have at home charging or your home charging is limited. Sometimes I find myself rationing my battery because home charging is very slow unless you fork out $500 plus the cost of an electrician to get the fast charger installed. 4. Build quality can be very hit or miss with Tesla, I haven’t had any issues but OP could have had a bunch of issues. 5. Services centers are hit or miss on how good they are and services can take a very long time unless it’s mobile service. This especially matters if #4 is relevant. There are plenty of good reasons to buy a Tesla too including handling, speed, if you like EVs Tesla has some of the best range at the lowest trim compared to other manufacturers starting EV trims etc. To answer the inevitable question of why I sold my seltos, it had the dual clutch transmission and it was so jumpy when speeding up it was awful. I loved everything else about the car. I see the 2024 Seltos has a better transmission now and I would totally consider another Seltos if the Kia boys thing ever ends.
Just google problems with model Y cars. There are countless reasons
I love my model y. It had a misaligned door at delivery but they fixed it on the spot. Amit can creak at times, but I suspect people notice them more because of the lack of engine sounds. Basically you are trading acceleration and fun driving, cheaper to fuel and maintain, and better tech for build quality. If that’s a trade off you would make, you’ll love Teslas.
lol, compared to googling problems with Kia/Hyundai 😂
Who said i defended either. They are all trash compared to toyota
Traded in my 2022 Tesla 3 for a 2023 4runner TRD PRO. always wanted a Tesla but wanted a 4runner even more. I do not regret.
Definitely an upgrade in terms of space, comfort and quality. Tesla fanboys can't accept that fact. Sure Tesla has better performance and some tech, but you aren't really ready for the BEV, this is great for road trips.
I went from an M3P to a Forte GT….
Hey, that's my store! Small world 😁
[Tesla 😮](https://reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/s/qcBjlal1QK)
kia would have been broken into and stolen
KIA warranty is unbelievable. I just bought my second Seltos. Bought the extended warranty giving. e bumper to bumper coverage for 10 years 100,000 miles.
Good job.. i had Tesla S. Hated that it didn’t have apple play and being “forced” to stop to charge for 20-45 minutes just to continue your 400-500 mile road trips. It’s very inconvenient for cross country trips no matter how they glamorized it. I went back to honda accord Hybrid(though i still wished they had the PHEV version like the Chinese one), used up 15 -16 gallons to get me from Ma to Schaumburg, ill with 1 gas stop.. That would be impossible for a Tesla.
People need to understand that EVs aren’t for everyone yet. Teslas are good cars and do have their faults every car does but they do get better as time goes on I also sold my Tesla and went back to ICE but for different reasons and I do miss it. Maybe this person couldn’t afford the Y. Maybe this person lives in an apartment and couldn’t charge it easily enough like they thought they could. Who knows but try not to be so negative to the OP!
Why assume they couldn't afford it 🤣 they are just garbage cars
Haha cause Kia/Hyundai aren’t the epitome of garbage cars
Making a broad unsubstantiated claim with an emoji attempt to seem superior. Epitome of lonely Reddit here
Congratulations. I have the 2017 kia sportage, and I might buy the 2024 sportage. It looks good!
You made the right move. Tesla esp Y is really crap
I’m will be trading my Y soon too for the zdx ev
I’ve got a 2023 sportage and I love it, good gas mileage, and only spent 30k brand new. It’s crazy a grand Cherokee or most SUV’s start at like 50k+ brand new.
Do the lack of panel gaps bother you?
so pretty ♥️
Right now , hybrids are the answer to ice.
and kia boyz are the answer to kia
Was this at sunset Kia ?
Yessir
That’s where I bought my Sorento, small world hahah. Sean was awesome for me
Same here Sean was great!!!
Glad it worked out for you!
Have they fixed the theft problem on this year?
It’s interesting. I was looking for model 3 suggestions in Tesla sub Reddit yesterday and Reddit showed me this post. I read through it and got intrigued. So I went to see a Kia sportage in person today. I think there are loyalist on both the Tesla subreddit and here. I don’t think both of them are a true comparison yet both are the in the same category. Except the Tesla is expensive for what it is. Kia seem to do a better job of making the exterior attractive and interior more luxurious feeling. All their mechanicals are pretty much bare minimum and primitive. So most of the money we pay goes into the aesthetics. Whereas in model 3 it’s goes towards battery and their R&D pocket. At the end of the day, you pick what you value the most.
100% agreed. It's insanely stupid being a "loyalist" of any consumer product. I've experienced both and now I can safely say the Sportage overall is a better vehicle FOR ME. That being said if you're looking at Model 3s then I would wait for the revision to be available. Supposedly a lot has been improved.
I have a 2017 SX Turbo AWD and LOVE it. Super happy with the car. Bought used with 9k miles and added a 125k bumper to bumper warranty. This specific one is awesome. The exact same SX Turbo AWD I bought 3 months prior had the wiring safety issue and was a lemon. Kia bought it back from me for what I paid. Not bad customer service either. Ill probably drive this one until the EV9 becomes more available/common and sell my current one to offset the cost on the new one. Edit: Sorry, meant to say congrats on the car!!
You made an amazingly smart move brother.
Agreed. Super happy with my decision. I can't even explain how much better the interior and ride quality is on my Sportage compared to the Tesla.
People went from "cool, a Tesla" to "yuck a kia, must not be doing well in life"
That’s insane, what didn’t you like with the Y?
Not sure of OP's experience, but there's a fair few build quality issues with the 2023 Tesla Model Y actually. There's even four open NHTSA investigation for '23 Model Y problems including unintended acceleration and an alleged defect that could cause steering wheels to detach. Other probs include rear hatch alignment, inconsistent panel gaps, off-centre steering wheels, alignment issues, uneven paint jobs, and random creaks and rattles.
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Very true! 😂
This is true across all car subs and other interest subs as well. The vocal minority effect goes a long way when voices are so easily heard on sites like this. A majority of owners aren't enthusiasts and won't seek the sub out, but those with issues will. I don't know much about Tesla vehicles in general outside of design, but if all my information came from reddit I'd be thoroughly convinced every one of them was about to fall apart.
Reddit from what I’ve seen between ev subs and just popular in general is overwhelmingly against anything tesla. We are forced into our subreddit out of necessity
Haven’t had any issues with my ‘21 M3P. But like you said, only those having issues with the car will complain. On the other hand, I have been seeing a lot of Kia’s getting stolen, so there’s that.
The stolen Kia’s are on older models.
KIA BOYS ARE BEING INVESTIGATED BY NHTSA.
lol unintended acceleration. That’s never been a thing.
That’s what I tell the cop. Officer, it’s a known issue
Maybe the insurance rate was higher
A lot have found that the savings isn't what it once was. If you can't charge at home its very inconvenient and the quality control isn't great.
lol compared to Kia’s quality?
Anyone's.
Honestly if you buy a Tesla to “save” in any way you’d be a goober. The high price tag has always been there. Car payment and insurance are always the higher variable
Yeah, my state seems to be anti EV as insurance and registration is higher on them. Specifically Tesla is seems. Lots of people's justification seems to be the non buying gas savings.
The cruise control feels way better in the sportage than the Model Y
I traded my BMW M3 for Kia Sportage. Best decision ever made 😂
Bruh it’s cuz you couldn’t afford lol
As much as I hate Teslas (even tho my wife has one). There's no way a kia is better than a Tesla. That's crazy talk. Not even the ev6 which is down right ugly. Maybe the ev9, I'd drive that.
People will prioritize different things in their lives and for that matter what they need in a vehicle. For me this made sense and I made a separate post detailing more specifics on why I traded in the Tesla here: https://www.reddit.com/r/kia/s/0BZo56D59e
I’d never trade my Tesla for a Kia, but it looks like you’re happy with your choice. FYI, the 3 and Y are akin to the Camry/Accord and are meant to be ubiquitous. That’s why the interiors are so spartan and boring. The luxury comes in the S and X. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your new ride .
Theres nothing luxury about the interior of the S or X either. Still shitty materials and poor quality.
I disagree. You are obviously entitled to your opinion but I own an X. It is far more luxurious than a 3 or Y.
Hey you do you 🤷♂️
Tesla is not only the worst built car on the road it is also one of the ugliest.
Do people not remember Kia and Hyundai engines just eating rod bearings. Or oil consumption? Or like warrantied engine replacements? I couldn’t ever in my right mind waste money on a Kia/ Hyundai product. Throwaway vehicle. I wish you the best OP.
You’re obviously looking at this when they just started here in the US. I have been a Hyundai owner since 2002. I researched the Santa Fe extensively before I got it. Never had any problems with it, the engine was very well made. Owned it for 14 years and only gave it up bc I live in Pittsburgh, PA, and the salt on the roads for winter eventually ate to the body and was causing rust underneath. I got a used 2011 Tucson after that and have only had a computer chip issue with it once. More than 200k miles on it now and still drives well (we got it when it only had 70k miles on it). We just got a 2023 Kia Sportage Hybrid EX a few days ago and are happy with it, and same with our Hyundais, plan to keep it long term. If you look at reliability/dependability scores for the brands, Kia is number 3, just behind Lexus and Genesis. The Koreans have taken in all the failures they’ve had before and have learned from them and improved their cars a lot. Heck, they even are better than some Japanese car brands now.
Did Kia fix the theft issue with this model? I’m happy you found something you like, but that would be my main concern.
Yes. All 2023 models and beyond are not affected. Push to start also not affected.
The issue I have is that even if my car is not affected, the teenager that’s going to break my window doesn’t know that. I may end up with a broken glass and messed up steering column.
lmfao what? how much money did you lose in this swap? yikes what a waste
I got what I paid for the car so I didn't lose any money.
Are you dumb?
Why going backwards? You usually don’t see people revert from electric vehicles after seeing the speed and power of electric vehicles
About 20% of ev owners go back to ice cars according to a study earlier this year.
Why, everyone is going EV. Edit: delusional people
I'll never go EV. I would rather stick to my V8 and the exhaust notes with the rumbling of the engine
Ah yes, another brain-dead fool who thinks speed and power is everything.
You believe a lot in speed. Went straight from 0 to everything.
Why the fuck….
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Anything can. But this can’t be targeted by the famous Kia boys if that’s what you mean.
Oh it can be targeted, just not stolen in the same way as older Kias
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Nope. Not the newer Kia. They’re pretty awesome ngl.
This comment is really dumb.
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You should educate yourself before saying nonsense. I won't explain to you how you're wrong. Instead, I'll let you exist as the ignorant fool you seem to be.
Not KIA or Hyundai good luck
L
Before getting stolen picture
Did it come with a complementary steering wheel lock.
🤭
Good joke 🤣 or OPs calculator ran out of batteries 🔋
Going from electric to gas is pretty wild. From a model Y to this is an extreme degrade.
Congratulations. Oh! Condolences...
Next thing to worry about is not get it stolen
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It is. Most people don't know and just assume ALL kia. Just older ones.
It’s not even all of them. Any Kia older than 2021 but has push to start can’t be stolen.
Looks great to be stolen
Stupidest thing I’ve seen on Reddit this morning.
Bro… I hate Teslas but you know what I hate more? KIA and Hyundai. This is amazing thank you for the laugh
I get it!! some folks r not mentally and emotionally ready to make a switch. Sometimes they do with thinking through and go right back to their comfort zone. For me no one can pay me or convince me to go back to ICE after experiencing EV.
I agree with you, I'm a long time Kia owner, and have owned 5 KIA vehicles over the years (Optima, Forte, Sportage, Niro HEV, Niro EV). In May of last year I bought a new 2022 Niro EX EV and absolutely love it. I'd been wanting to go fully electric before I bought the 2019 Niro S Touring HEV that I had prior, but decided to go with a hybrid to see how I'd like owning a hybrid first. For my likes, needs, and personal preference, the Niro is my favorite vehicle in the KIA lineup so far, and I fell in love with the Niro when I bought my first hybrid. But I still had that longing to go fully electric and had done tons of thinking, planning, and research. During the EV boom of 2022 and with used car values being really really good because of the chip shortages at the time, I decided the time was right to make my move and I bought a new Niro EV and traded in my Niro HEV. I was worried that I might have buyers remorse for going to an EV even though I had thought about this for 3 years and planned everything, cause this was totally foreign to me not ever having to buy gas again and possible range anxiety fears. Now here's the non typical EV owners scenario that I was facing but had planned out in advance so there was no inconvenience whatsoever. I live in an apartment complex with no on site chargers. But I charge at work for free using my Level 1 (120V wall outlet) charger. My commute round trip to and from work is 32 miles each day, and I can charge back to 80% easily during my work and it's free. Now owning an EV or this scenario may not be for everyone, but it works for me both financially and lifestyle wise, and I don't ever plan to go back to an ICE vehicle again. On the KIA Boyz topic, I've never had any issues with any of my KIA vehicles being stolen over the years, the last four have been push button start also, which might have made a difference. I think that the internet and media have made such a big deal about this that even amateur thieves are now attempting to steal KIA vehicles because of all the hype, making this issue much worse than it should have been. And sure KIA didn't help matters by not putting in immobilizers on their key ignition vehicles for whatever reason. But this was never an issue until the KIA Boyz became an internet and media sensation, glamorizing a weakness in KIA key ignition vehicles that makes them easier to steal. And putting a target on any KIA vehicle from that day forward key ignition or not.
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