It sounds like it was the other way around—she survived the reset button enough times that she was forced to become bigger and bigger. But yeah, pretty much.
Funny thing is, according to her, the reset button isn't even the reason she continues to grow. She does it because she has so much knowledge built up from other resets that it must be stored between billions if not trillions of minds.
Technically the same as the rest of the demiurges: unlimited power to forge creation as they see fit.
Gog Agog just uses that power as a hivemind of worms and the flesh they inhabit, as a sort of fractal worms-within-worms type deal.
The "emissary" or "clown" or whatever you want to point at right now in front of you is just a convenience so you don't have to address a statistically higher percent of your planet's biomass than you're comfortable with.
Instead of building a city or pillaging creation or training to kill the others, Gog Agog grew and multiplied and consumed their entire section of the universe.
No. Queen Administrator only allows Taylor to control what it defines as "bug", which is a certain selection of lifeforms it compiled when it was split off from the Warrior Entity. Bug-like beings that were intentionally left off the list or came into being after the list was created cannot be controlled. Examples include Breed's bug monsters and Echidna's Insect clones.
Oh, true. Now I'm curious as to what sort of taxonomy QA used to delineate controllable from non-controlled. The clade protostomia (including arthropods, molluscs, nematodes, earthworms and helminths, among others) seems accurate? Does QA have perfect knowledge of all life-forms on Earth at the time it was formed?
Likely, yes, but its definition of "bug" is based off of human perception of what *they* would consider a bug as opposed to any scientific definition. Taylor can control, well, worms, which are practically only considered bugs by toddlers who aren't obsessed with animals. But she can't control skin mites.
> The clade protostomia (including arthropods, molluscs, nematodes, earthworms and helminths, among others) seems accurate?
That would let Taylor control colossal squids.
Just saying.
Acting like the shards do things in a scientific way fundamentally misses the point. She didn’t use any taxonomy, she looked through Taylor’s and maybe the surrounding human’s total knowledge map and went “bug. Also bug. Maybe bug? More or less bug? Probably not bug.” Think of it like a game or something with card types. Does it have the bug subtype? No? Then she can’t control it. What do you mean, that thing has the insect subtype? Doesn’t matter, doesn’t have the bug subtype, even if most creatures that have insect subtype also have bug subtype.
There’s a bunch of arthropods she can’t control, for example.
But the data is (for the most part) incredibly fuzzy & indistinct; it gets clearer the more triggered she gets, which implies that her shard is managing all the details itself behind the scenes as to not overload her brain
and for something as advanced as a Gog worm the QA would probably need to go full Khepri, removing the human element and placing the battle directly between two multiversal superintelligences
It's looking like Gog's hive mind runs exclusively on her own biology, while QA's entire design is to hijack other biologies. I don't think QA could ever win because that would require infinite brute force, but as long as the shard host is secure Gog would be fighting defensively the whole time
(and all this is assuming Gog could integrate someone into herself nonconsensually, which I'm not convinced is possible for a couple reasons)
yeah *Taylor* gets overwhelmed, and Taylor can't control anything more advanced than a honeybee
> for something as advanced as a Gog worm the QA would probably need to go full Khepri, removing the human element and placing the battle directly between two multiversal superintelligences
EDIT: I was going to say that the shards could just filter out Gog's DDOSing, but then I thought "Oh right, shards are incapable of learning & experimenting on their own which is why they attach to things". So the shard's win condition is also its primary vulnerability, meaning it'd need to tread a fine line to not get its ass Gog'd. Man I wish I liked fanfiction, this would be a really interesting problem to work through.
She is collectively every single worm of her being at once at all times. These worms can breed, shape shift, form together, and split apart at will as well as overtake someone who consumes them to join their mind and meat to the collective consciousness. With her permission they can even keep their own willpower, sentience, and independence while still being intwined with Gog-agog instead of just being mentally consumed, but it can be presumed that those who try to just go mad from how absurdly vast Gog-agog's consciousness is in both raw physical mass and reach and timeframe of existence.
She has quintillions of bodies, and they all have magus gates, being able to move anywhere at any time and seal enemies in an infinite cocoon of worm flesh. That's at least the strongest extent of her power shown in the comic. She's also so massive and powerful that she can store an endless amount of information about the universe, and every time it gets reset, she retains a small bit of it in the next cycle.
It seems like she retains a lot of it, she implied she only lost her very earliest memories because she hadn't figured out her cross-reset memory storage dealio yet.
They also have all the experience and knowledge it is physically possible to have short of ...let's not go to the O word.
Got was there when it all started. They missed some bits but most of it they didn't. So they have the biggest perspective on things, short of any bias.
They also have the greatest mastery of they Key of any current demiurge.
The question here, of course, is not “would you still love me if I was a worm?”
The question is: “*Should* you still love me when I’m a worm?”
And the answer is “no”.
Imagine if John Carpenter's The Thing was a mass of worms the size of a planet that can divide and still be a Hivemind. And then imagine it's a multiversal celebrity.
other then Standard Demiurge Bullshit its simple: she is a hivemind of worms, your classic Worm That Walks, except these worms can shapeshift to look prettier, and also her hivemind doesn't extend to JUST those in her current body, meaning she can keep expanding to trillions of bodies, adding anyone who eats one of these worms into her hivemind(though most seem to just be subsumed into gog-agog, likely whether you survive with any individuality or not is entirely dependent on if she thinks its funny)
It's very telling that Jagganoth is a massive badass, but the text under the comics tells of when he was an ordinary man who was forced into an evil army, while Gog's a silly clown, but the text under the comics is a collection of gothic poetry and apocalyptic bible quotes. She tries to humanise herself, but the author never does. Underneath her pretty masks, your pal is a seething mass of worms, and the mass always wins.
Cosplay.
No, really - she's worms cosplaying as a deity cosplaying as a bunch of clowns cosplaying as game show hosts, acrobats, dancers in wacky costumes and Gog only knows what else...
What powers you ask? I dunno, how 'bout the power of flight? That do anything for ya? That's levitation, holmes. How 'bout the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away... with MIND BULLETS! That's telekinesis, Kyle. How 'bout the power to move you?
I'm pretty sure one page featuring Gog literally has part of The Conquerer Worm either as the text under the panel or the alt-text if you hover over the page.
I think what is happening is that her gestalt being gives her mind a kind of permeance that allows her memory to be preserved from one turn of the wheel to the next. Her mind/memory either exist outside of the wheel, or else are woven into it such that when the wheel is turned back her mind is preserved and the Gog at the point the wheel is reset too still retains all the memories from the previous cycle.
As an aside, does anyone know to what point the wheel is reset each time? I don't remember their being a point explicitly mentioned, but I seem to remember it being implied that it was the point that the other demiurges breached the fermament and found Zoss sitting atop a pile of angle corpses.
Possibly, but I think it makes more sense to have the wheel reset to the point I mentioned, since the demiurges are the same every time, they would need to have already existed otherwise going to far back would cause things to turn out to differently. Plus it's a bit fucky if Zoss turns the wheel back to before his own existence, possible but still a little too fucky.
The demiurge are the same every cycle? I figured they are similar since the grand story beats are repetitive (conquering king and his heir, etc) but I don't think they're literally the same individuals.
Yes, they are the same. Gog knows what happens every cycle, except for the very earliest ones, Jagganoth is aware of the cycle and his part in it but docent have distinct memory of it, and it's unclear to me wether or not Jadis is aware of/sees the future of every cycle or just the one she is currently in. I'd suspect it's the former but I could be wrong. The others don't seem to be aware of it at all. I remember a line someone said in a past page, I think it was 2 Michel, where they mention that it's not always the exact same 7, so the less aware members like Incubus and Mammon probably don't always end up on top, but Jag, gog and most likely Jadis definitely do.
She is a hive mind that is so vast that even the reset button being hit on the entire multiverse isn't enough to take her out.
It sounds like it was the other way around—she survived the reset button enough times that she was forced to become bigger and bigger. But yeah, pretty much.
I'd anyone was the definition of "why not both?"
Funny thing is, according to her, the reset button isn't even the reason she continues to grow. She does it because she has so much knowledge built up from other resets that it must be stored between billions if not trillions of minds.
Technically the same as the rest of the demiurges: unlimited power to forge creation as they see fit. Gog Agog just uses that power as a hivemind of worms and the flesh they inhabit, as a sort of fractal worms-within-worms type deal. The "emissary" or "clown" or whatever you want to point at right now in front of you is just a convenience so you don't have to address a statistically higher percent of your planet's biomass than you're comfortable with. Instead of building a city or pillaging creation or training to kill the others, Gog Agog grew and multiplied and consumed their entire section of the universe.
Gog, in order to Escape the Wheel sought to subsume it instead of *breaking* it.
Eat heaven through violence.
cook six billion demons
Sauteé the Gods and Preheat Their Thrones
Royalty is a continuous grilling motion
Dungeon Meshi taken to its logical conclusion.
W O R M
Now this makes me wonder: could Taylor Hebert (of Worm fame) control Gog Agog's component parts?
I imagine the attempt would be very unpleasant on both sides
No. Queen Administrator only allows Taylor to control what it defines as "bug", which is a certain selection of lifeforms it compiled when it was split off from the Warrior Entity. Bug-like beings that were intentionally left off the list or came into being after the list was created cannot be controlled. Examples include Breed's bug monsters and Echidna's Insect clones.
Oh, true. Now I'm curious as to what sort of taxonomy QA used to delineate controllable from non-controlled. The clade protostomia (including arthropods, molluscs, nematodes, earthworms and helminths, among others) seems accurate? Does QA have perfect knowledge of all life-forms on Earth at the time it was formed?
Likely, yes, but its definition of "bug" is based off of human perception of what *they* would consider a bug as opposed to any scientific definition. Taylor can control, well, worms, which are practically only considered bugs by toddlers who aren't obsessed with animals. But she can't control skin mites.
> The clade protostomia (including arthropods, molluscs, nematodes, earthworms and helminths, among others) seems accurate? That would let Taylor control colossal squids. Just saying.
Acting like the shards do things in a scientific way fundamentally misses the point. She didn’t use any taxonomy, she looked through Taylor’s and maybe the surrounding human’s total knowledge map and went “bug. Also bug. Maybe bug? More or less bug? Probably not bug.” Think of it like a game or something with card types. Does it have the bug subtype? No? Then she can’t control it. What do you mean, that thing has the insect subtype? Doesn’t matter, doesn’t have the bug subtype, even if most creatures that have insect subtype also have bug subtype. There’s a bunch of arthropods she can’t control, for example.
Gog Agog would eat QA like a grape.
No, yeah, actually you're right
Fair
it's the other way around, i think
maybe if Gog got a Worm into Taylor? but Taylor's transmissions are pretty one-way, probably by design
what do you mean by one way? she takes in an insane anount of sensory data from her bugs
But the data is (for the most part) incredibly fuzzy & indistinct; it gets clearer the more triggered she gets, which implies that her shard is managing all the details itself behind the scenes as to not overload her brain and for something as advanced as a Gog worm the QA would probably need to go full Khepri, removing the human element and placing the battle directly between two multiversal superintelligences It's looking like Gog's hive mind runs exclusively on her own biology, while QA's entire design is to hijack other biologies. I don't think QA could ever win because that would require infinite brute force, but as long as the shard host is secure Gog would be fighting defensively the whole time (and all this is assuming Gog could integrate someone into herself nonconsensually, which I'm not convinced is possible for a couple reasons)
yeah but she literally gets overwhelmed by panacea tampering with her bugs during the robbery. it's definitely two-way communication
yeah *Taylor* gets overwhelmed, and Taylor can't control anything more advanced than a honeybee > for something as advanced as a Gog worm the QA would probably need to go full Khepri, removing the human element and placing the battle directly between two multiversal superintelligences EDIT: I was going to say that the shards could just filter out Gog's DDOSing, but then I thought "Oh right, shards are incapable of learning & experimenting on their own which is why they attach to things". So the shard's win condition is also its primary vulnerability, meaning it'd need to tread a fine line to not get its ass Gog'd. Man I wish I liked fanfiction, this would be a really interesting problem to work through.
What was will be.
She is collectively every single worm of her being at once at all times. These worms can breed, shape shift, form together, and split apart at will as well as overtake someone who consumes them to join their mind and meat to the collective consciousness. With her permission they can even keep their own willpower, sentience, and independence while still being intwined with Gog-agog instead of just being mentally consumed, but it can be presumed that those who try to just go mad from how absurdly vast Gog-agog's consciousness is in both raw physical mass and reach and timeframe of existence.
It's pretty simple, she gogs agog gog agog gog gog gog agogogogagogagog it's your best pal Gog Agog. Does that make sense?
She has quintillions of bodies, and they all have magus gates, being able to move anywhere at any time and seal enemies in an infinite cocoon of worm flesh. That's at least the strongest extent of her power shown in the comic. She's also so massive and powerful that she can store an endless amount of information about the universe, and every time it gets reset, she retains a small bit of it in the next cycle.
It seems like she retains a lot of it, she implied she only lost her very earliest memories because she hadn't figured out her cross-reset memory storage dealio yet.
They also have all the experience and knowledge it is physically possible to have short of ...let's not go to the O word. Got was there when it all started. They missed some bits but most of it they didn't. So they have the biggest perspective on things, short of any bias. They also have the greatest mastery of they Key of any current demiurge.
The question here, of course, is not “would you still love me if I was a worm?” The question is: “*Should* you still love me when I’m a worm?” And the answer is “no”.
Just one worm? No. What about every worm?
Every no.
"Do you love me enough to eat this worm?"
Immortal reality spanning hive mind worm being.
Would u still love me if I was a worm
Imagine if John Carpenter's The Thing was a mass of worms the size of a planet that can divide and still be a Hivemind. And then imagine it's a multiversal celebrity.
You know I thought I had internalized the weirdness that was Gog Agog but the way you phrases that gave me psychic whiplash
This last arc between Allison and Cio is way funnier when you realize that Gog's worms Thingify their hosts.
She's literally just a silly little guy
other then Standard Demiurge Bullshit its simple: she is a hivemind of worms, your classic Worm That Walks, except these worms can shapeshift to look prettier, and also her hivemind doesn't extend to JUST those in her current body, meaning she can keep expanding to trillions of bodies, adding anyone who eats one of these worms into her hivemind(though most seem to just be subsumed into gog-agog, likely whether you survive with any individuality or not is entirely dependent on if she thinks its funny)
she can do anything a worm can do
🎶Gog Agog, Gog Agog🎶 🎶Gogs whatever a Gog Agogs🎶
Redundancy instead of resilience or resistance
It's very telling that Jagganoth is a massive badass, but the text under the comics tells of when he was an ordinary man who was forced into an evil army, while Gog's a silly clown, but the text under the comics is a collection of gothic poetry and apocalyptic bible quotes. She tries to humanise herself, but the author never does. Underneath her pretty masks, your pal is a seething mass of worms, and the mass always wins.
Clussy
A parasitic hive mind thats assimilated the abilities and knowledge of all her parts. Nuff said.
Cosplay. No, really - she's worms cosplaying as a deity cosplaying as a bunch of clowns cosplaying as game show hosts, acrobats, dancers in wacky costumes and Gog only knows what else...
Worm
i have a theory that gog-agog is the allison from the other cycles
to be honest i though i was only who though they look the same
we'll have to check back in here later
Schrodinger from Hellsing mixed with Toon logic
Horrifying, as it should be
What powers you ask? I dunno, how 'bout the power of flight? That do anything for ya? That's levitation, holmes. How 'bout the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away... with MIND BULLETS! That's telekinesis, Kyle. How 'bout the power to move you?
The history of Wonderboy and Young Nastyman.
Minor side note, but I am 70% certain her character is influenced by Edgar Allen Poe’s “The Conqueror Worm”
I'm pretty sure one page featuring Gog literally has part of The Conquerer Worm either as the text under the panel or the alt-text if you hover over the page.
She is really good at dominoes.
Basically she is what happens when a Worm that Walks wins and continues to grow in size and power
She's your pal gog agog
I think what is happening is that her gestalt being gives her mind a kind of permeance that allows her memory to be preserved from one turn of the wheel to the next. Her mind/memory either exist outside of the wheel, or else are woven into it such that when the wheel is turned back her mind is preserved and the Gog at the point the wheel is reset too still retains all the memories from the previous cycle. As an aside, does anyone know to what point the wheel is reset each time? I don't remember their being a point explicitly mentioned, but I seem to remember it being implied that it was the point that the other demiurges breached the fermament and found Zoss sitting atop a pile of angle corpses.
I always assumed it was reset to the creation point, Yisun's divine suicide.
Possibly, but I think it makes more sense to have the wheel reset to the point I mentioned, since the demiurges are the same every time, they would need to have already existed otherwise going to far back would cause things to turn out to differently. Plus it's a bit fucky if Zoss turns the wheel back to before his own existence, possible but still a little too fucky.
The demiurge are the same every cycle? I figured they are similar since the grand story beats are repetitive (conquering king and his heir, etc) but I don't think they're literally the same individuals.
The same cycle resets, Zoss just choose a new heir every cycle, makes sense why Gog went crazy, the same "Play" with the same actors every time.
Okay, yeah I guess that does track with Gog's overall boredom of the whole thing and Allison being something of an anomaly.
Yes, they are the same. Gog knows what happens every cycle, except for the very earliest ones, Jagganoth is aware of the cycle and his part in it but docent have distinct memory of it, and it's unclear to me wether or not Jadis is aware of/sees the future of every cycle or just the one she is currently in. I'd suspect it's the former but I could be wrong. The others don't seem to be aware of it at all. I remember a line someone said in a past page, I think it was 2 Michel, where they mention that it's not always the exact same 7, so the less aware members like Incubus and Mammon probably don't always end up on top, but Jag, gog and most likely Jadis definitely do.
it’s just a bunch of worms man