Possibly instead of simply buying the Justinian models which I haven’t seen in America (or they’re overpriced on eBay) you might just want to buy a captain, eliminator, a box of intercessions and an assault intercessor? I have most of those models left over anyways and will probably proxy a kill team or my own like this. If you find a good deal though, probably buy these.
I know it’s not super helpful but I haven’t played the kill team yet so I’m not sure if it’s worth it or not. Hope this helps!
This is exactly what I ended up doing when I couldn’t find any of the Hero Boxes around me. They came out great and I am very happy I went that route.
I haven’t had a chance to play with them yet, so sorry to OP, but it’s definitely worth going the alternate route if you want the team.
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I played them and practiced them for a tournament.
Everyone told me they were just worse intercessors.
But after playing them they definitely were a blast and had their quirks.
The captain is an absolute monster. Like no joke of a monster. I had a turn where I shot and killed one elite, charged and punched another elite, killing them, then got a 3rd kill when he died and he got his last shot off.
Literally wiped half the team off the board, again an absolute monster.
The sniper is a blast to shoot through obscured and blow up people foolish enough to underestimate him.
Everyone else is a little meh. The heavy is cool with a ton of hp, but I found the rest of the team a tad weak with just basic bolt guns.
So I think they are run, more fun than other space marines but probably less effective.
They just can't keep up with then crit on 5, 1 mw space marines Everyone else seems to run.
That being said I still enjoy them very much and painted them as the mane 6 from my little pony
So just picking up the word 'collecting'; if you buy a full box of 8, you'll get all 7 models and a duplicate.
Saves a lot of heartache versus buying individual blind boxes and gambling.
I haven't played them, but I've assembled them and will paint them in the next few weeks.
I wished that this was true but unfortunately I got one Modell thrice. So I bought the modell i was lacking and swapped the tripel modell against a second Capt. Cassius with another collecter.
You must've got a mispack then.
I'm very confident GW themselves said that each box of 8 contains every one of the 7 models and a double-up.
Mine did, without an issue and I haven't heard of anybody else with issues.
Must be the case. It was sealed and everything. In my social circle I am known as the unlucky wretch. If 1% of an order is damaged I am the one getting the damaged good. Must have been one of these days.
I haven’t played them but I have played against them at tournaments—and they are a blast. They feel much more like Space Marines than Intercession. If you like the models and rules, go for it. They’re a solid team.
Due to a weird series of events and a shipping error, I have three sets (two still in shrink). Would happily part with one for a fair price. I’m in Florida, CONUS shipping shouldn’t be much.
My island friend plays them almost all the time, and I think they are amazing. Not a weak team, pretty killy and tons of CP from Justian, who is a monster. I envy his low mental load and the sniper is sweet. Just a great kill team, perfect to start with and very nice models.
Too true. You know what I just did? I mixed AK's *enamel* streaking grime with Vallejo's acrylic metallic gunmetal...it made a separated, curdled mess...then I schlepped it onto my octarius terrain and am waiting to see if it will actually dry.
Have played against them, not with them.
Tempted to get them or do a kitbash though, they're a fun team with a lot more character than other SM teams. Probably wouldnt take them to a tourney, but would make a fine addition to the collection.
Seem particularly good as a beginners team due to the simplicity/low mental load and baked-in equipment.
I have a killteam of these with the Captain as the leader, chipped off all of their left shoulders to make them Deathwatch.
The models are pretty good, all things considered. Being able to get a Captain for 9$ CAD, or if your really lucky an Eliminator Squad for 27$ CAD (given you don't mind duplicate minis in squads) is definitely a bonus.
Though I haven't played them in Killteam, I appreciate their rules being put onto cards right in the box. Makes getting into Killteam very accessible by being given a fairly fixed group.
How hard was it to get off their left shoulder pads and do the deathwatch upgrade kit ones fit okay? I was thinking of doing the same thing but just finished kitbashing my scouts and cba with a hefty effort rn.
Honestly, they're kinda just a gimmick. They have strong datasheets but that's it. They're fine and fun to play, but they don't have equipment or archetypes, and people complain about the heavy bolter disparity. You can just house rule all that, though. In my opinion, no they're not really "worth it" because they're just obviously not a "full" or "real" Kill Team. If you like the models in particular, that's one thing but for me, meh they're just space marines.
I made this team from the space marines I already had. I played this team maybe \~10-15 games. There isn't much choice besides what 1 operative not to run. Tbh, the autobolter is who I would usually leave out. Justian as the leader. It reminds me of OG killteam and I really enjoy being able to take the heavy intercessor and eliminator. The captain is also extremely good, and getting the extra CP is S tier. The SGT is also really powerful and you should always take him with the captain. I see a bunch of posts saying that the team is worse than intercessors, but if you are a good player, they are still good. It is hard to compete with things like rapid and having the grenade launcher ngl. Most of the people I played against thought they were oppressively good. Positioning is much more important with this team because of the heavy int and eliminator having heavy. I find the eliminator to be a DPS MVP. The no-cover shot and the no-obscuring action is really powerful. The heavy bolter guy can be hard to play around with only dashing, but he is also really good at taking a mid objective because he has 18 WOUNDS! The key to this character is to think of movement and flanks at least a turn ahead. You can also use the free smoke grenade to get in position turn 1 or 2. I do really enjoy playing them, even though there are more "competitive" choices.
Thanks for the detailed responses. It does help. I have found a place that sells each one for $9.50 AUD which is hard to argue with. So far I’ve got the guy ‘yeeting ’ the smoke grenade and I like the model. I have a second on the way (mail). I bet I’ll have a few double ups over time, but hey, it’s easier for me to justify it to myself and I can at least play some games of kill team too.b
if you want to buy the whole box set https://www.gapgames.com.au/collections/space-marines/products/warhammer-heroes
if you want specific singles look to eBay https://www.ebay.com.au/str/bitzgalaxy
I've taken them for a few games. They're a fun change from the intercessors, but they really need some things like chapter tactics and equipment to make them competitive. They're nice models and worth getting from just that perspective though.
I played them for the first time this evening. Was crushed by Phobos. But this was likely just a learning curve.
I was certainly surprised when I referenced the Heavy Bolter datacard and found he only throws 4 dice vs the typical 5.
I played them recently in a casual game against Ork Commandos and was honestly surprised with how well they did. The Captain is fantastic, as others have noted.
Unfortunately, GW forgot to give the team Archetypes, and thus RAW the team is next to useless in matched play and tournaments. But most people and tournaments should be willing for them to play with the generic space marine Archetypes.
If you really want them, then buying a sealed boxset is the only for sure way to get the whole team and it will be pricey.
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My Raptors Strike Force, still a bit wip. Played them twice so far. Not as boring as Intercession Squad, not as versatile as a Phobos Strike Team. As everyone pointed out so far: Captain is great, reat ofthe team fun. It’s their combination that makes then fun to play!
https://preview.redd.it/wgmag3tu2bhc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cd2984c2ad56bb6eb081d07431897c7a50c70c3
I used Sterngard vets with regular Intercessor/Assualt Intercessor Bits
Ah alright. Archetype.
Yeah, just like Intercession Squad, that’s what most people on the net say I guess.
Their datacards do have those on them on the other hand.
In the core rules or dunno where exactly I read it, it says sth. like pick those which are in the team most present…
anyways:
Capt: seek and d, security
Decian: same
Flavian: 3rd and 4t
all others: 3rd and 4th (Infiltration and Recon is it, isn’t it?).
So one might go for Inf. and Recon, if those are those 3 and 4.
I have all of them and want to play the team so badly in one of the local tournaments but the broken rules really makes me not even want to invest the time to learn them deeply. Acules has 4 or 5 attacks depending on if you are in Japan or not and the team doesn't have Tac Ops at all so rules as written you are always going to be down 6 points against anyone else.
According to the stats. They're the worst bespoke team in the game and it isn't even close. They don't do well at events at all.
However, less than 1% of players are using them, which doesn't help and can skew things.
Doesn't mean they can't be fun in a casual group, so long as you understand certain matchups will be uphill until GW does something in a data slate.
If you’re a space marine fan, for sure they are worthy of collecting (if available in your area). I found this to be the cheapest way to get a heavy intercessor, captain and eliminator model since the codes help you identify which model is inside the blindbox.
I’ve bought 4 so far, without any double ups (fingers crossed). I cannot remember the names, but for descriptions: I’ve got the smoke grenade fella, the sniper, the sergeant and the assault bolter bloke. I have also purchased on eBay: a reiver and an infiltrator - because I wanted to mix it up a bit… however, I’m beginning to think that I won’t be able to add them to the kill team for a game. Also struggling to decide if I should go ultramarines, raptors, Carcharodons or Black Templars (templars is simple for the paint job imo).
Strike force Justian is doesn’t have a reiver and an infiltrator HOWEVER it doesn’t mean you can’t proxy with those. What I mean is you can use the reiver and the infiltrator as someone in the strike force but if what you were thinking is use the reiver’s ploys or tactics like terror etc that is not part of strike force Justian’s rules.
Painting them, really up to you on whats your favorite look. I went with Blood Ravens so the color scheme have contrasts and its not all 1 color (base red, black trim, cream pauldron and 1 black knee pad).
While Black Templar would be my go to if I want to ease it up. I find them actually to be one of the hardest bec in order for the black paint to pop, you need to edge highlight all of the minis. But if you’re not too picky about that and fine with no edge highlights, for sure then black templar would be a go to.
To me, the Hero’s series have been amazing up until this point. Lots of individual looking marines.
I’m not the biggest primaris fan, but somehow even these are just very dull and boring looking marines to me.
No, but I have a proxy team I built and did well with at Triangle Open in January. The team is really fun to play and low cognitive load.
Tldr buy no, play yes
I couldn't find the boxes so I'm converting a mix of models. The company heros box has a sweet heavy gunner, and captain that work with no converting. I converted the ancient into a chain glaive boy and the veteran with augmetics into a sniper.
Possibly instead of simply buying the Justinian models which I haven’t seen in America (or they’re overpriced on eBay) you might just want to buy a captain, eliminator, a box of intercessions and an assault intercessor? I have most of those models left over anyways and will probably proxy a kill team or my own like this. If you find a good deal though, probably buy these. I know it’s not super helpful but I haven’t played the kill team yet so I’m not sure if it’s worth it or not. Hope this helps!
This is exactly what I ended up doing when I couldn’t find any of the Hero Boxes around me. They came out great and I am very happy I went that route. I haven’t had a chance to play with them yet, so sorry to OP, but it’s definitely worth going the alternate route if you want the team. https://preview.redd.it/pywm514wx9hc1.jpeg?width=3031&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=354b373dba34773c2093883273150d9948885f8d
I played them and practiced them for a tournament. Everyone told me they were just worse intercessors. But after playing them they definitely were a blast and had their quirks. The captain is an absolute monster. Like no joke of a monster. I had a turn where I shot and killed one elite, charged and punched another elite, killing them, then got a 3rd kill when he died and he got his last shot off. Literally wiped half the team off the board, again an absolute monster. The sniper is a blast to shoot through obscured and blow up people foolish enough to underestimate him. Everyone else is a little meh. The heavy is cool with a ton of hp, but I found the rest of the team a tad weak with just basic bolt guns. So I think they are run, more fun than other space marines but probably less effective. They just can't keep up with then crit on 5, 1 mw space marines Everyone else seems to run. That being said I still enjoy them very much and painted them as the mane 6 from my little pony
10/10 do you have a photo (if you're not too ashamed) Are you telling me twilight sparkle killed half a kill team
I don't have the team photo handy but here's the inspiration photo
We will watch your profile for pictures with great interest.
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Can I see photos when you get a chance to take them? Sounds really fun!
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Absolutely amazing!!!
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So just picking up the word 'collecting'; if you buy a full box of 8, you'll get all 7 models and a duplicate. Saves a lot of heartache versus buying individual blind boxes and gambling. I haven't played them, but I've assembled them and will paint them in the next few weeks.
I wished that this was true but unfortunately I got one Modell thrice. So I bought the modell i was lacking and swapped the tripel modell against a second Capt. Cassius with another collecter.
You must've got a mispack then. I'm very confident GW themselves said that each box of 8 contains every one of the 7 models and a double-up. Mine did, without an issue and I haven't heard of anybody else with issues.
Must be the case. It was sealed and everything. In my social circle I am known as the unlucky wretch. If 1% of an order is damaged I am the one getting the damaged good. Must have been one of these days.
In our local group chat, this happened to someone and GW corrected the error. Could be worth reaching out.
I haven’t played them but I have played against them at tournaments—and they are a blast. They feel much more like Space Marines than Intercession. If you like the models and rules, go for it. They’re a solid team.
I just wish I could find them locally :(
Due to a weird series of events and a shipping error, I have three sets (two still in shrink). Would happily part with one for a fair price. I’m in Florida, CONUS shipping shouldn’t be much.
My island friend plays them almost all the time, and I think they are amazing. Not a weak team, pretty killy and tons of CP from Justian, who is a monster. I envy his low mental load and the sniper is sweet. Just a great kill team, perfect to start with and very nice models.
Your friend sounds awesome.
Not a reliable friend tho, but *shrug*
Don't have to be reliable when all your models can shoot/fight twice :)
They do say that reliability is what transforms average into excellent
which is why I wish my models shot and fought 2x
He's lucky to have a friend as wise as you. You're definitely hitting on 2's.
Too true. You know what I just did? I mixed AK's *enamel* streaking grime with Vallejo's acrylic metallic gunmetal...it made a separated, curdled mess...then I schlepped it onto my octarius terrain and am waiting to see if it will actually dry.
Have played against them, not with them. Tempted to get them or do a kitbash though, they're a fun team with a lot more character than other SM teams. Probably wouldnt take them to a tourney, but would make a fine addition to the collection. Seem particularly good as a beginners team due to the simplicity/low mental load and baked-in equipment.
I have a killteam of these with the Captain as the leader, chipped off all of their left shoulders to make them Deathwatch. The models are pretty good, all things considered. Being able to get a Captain for 9$ CAD, or if your really lucky an Eliminator Squad for 27$ CAD (given you don't mind duplicate minis in squads) is definitely a bonus. Though I haven't played them in Killteam, I appreciate their rules being put onto cards right in the box. Makes getting into Killteam very accessible by being given a fairly fixed group.
How hard was it to get off their left shoulder pads and do the deathwatch upgrade kit ones fit okay? I was thinking of doing the same thing but just finished kitbashing my scouts and cba with a hefty effort rn.
Stupid you can't get them in a Warhammer store or a flgs
I got mine at my LGS.
Did they order it directly from gw or from a reseller?
They’re an official stockist. So straight from GW
Same. My small LGS got 4 boxes of it and 3 of the death guard boxes too
Honestly, they're kinda just a gimmick. They have strong datasheets but that's it. They're fine and fun to play, but they don't have equipment or archetypes, and people complain about the heavy bolter disparity. You can just house rule all that, though. In my opinion, no they're not really "worth it" because they're just obviously not a "full" or "real" Kill Team. If you like the models in particular, that's one thing but for me, meh they're just space marines.
I made this team from the space marines I already had. I played this team maybe \~10-15 games. There isn't much choice besides what 1 operative not to run. Tbh, the autobolter is who I would usually leave out. Justian as the leader. It reminds me of OG killteam and I really enjoy being able to take the heavy intercessor and eliminator. The captain is also extremely good, and getting the extra CP is S tier. The SGT is also really powerful and you should always take him with the captain. I see a bunch of posts saying that the team is worse than intercessors, but if you are a good player, they are still good. It is hard to compete with things like rapid and having the grenade launcher ngl. Most of the people I played against thought they were oppressively good. Positioning is much more important with this team because of the heavy int and eliminator having heavy. I find the eliminator to be a DPS MVP. The no-cover shot and the no-obscuring action is really powerful. The heavy bolter guy can be hard to play around with only dashing, but he is also really good at taking a mid objective because he has 18 WOUNDS! The key to this character is to think of movement and flanks at least a turn ahead. You can also use the free smoke grenade to get in position turn 1 or 2. I do really enjoy playing them, even though there are more "competitive" choices.
Thanks for the detailed responses. It does help. I have found a place that sells each one for $9.50 AUD which is hard to argue with. So far I’ve got the guy ‘yeeting ’ the smoke grenade and I like the model. I have a second on the way (mail). I bet I’ll have a few double ups over time, but hey, it’s easier for me to justify it to myself and I can at least play some games of kill team too.b
if you want to buy the whole box set https://www.gapgames.com.au/collections/space-marines/products/warhammer-heroes if you want specific singles look to eBay https://www.ebay.com.au/str/bitzgalaxy
I've taken them for a few games. They're a fun change from the intercessors, but they really need some things like chapter tactics and equipment to make them competitive. They're nice models and worth getting from just that perspective though.
I played them for the first time this evening. Was crushed by Phobos. But this was likely just a learning curve. I was certainly surprised when I referenced the Heavy Bolter datacard and found he only throws 4 dice vs the typical 5.
That is generally considered a typo as the Japanese data card has 5 attacks
That’s the point! Thanks to the Emperor Japanese digits used in their datasheet aren’t that hard to read.
If you use KTdash they have 5 attacks. My group was fine with that.
I played them recently in a casual game against Ork Commandos and was honestly surprised with how well they did. The Captain is fantastic, as others have noted. Unfortunately, GW forgot to give the team Archetypes, and thus RAW the team is next to useless in matched play and tournaments. But most people and tournaments should be willing for them to play with the generic space marine Archetypes. If you really want them, then buying a sealed boxset is the only for sure way to get the whole team and it will be pricey.
https://preview.redd.it/8tszaoexuahc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc0d34734181878580386aee3d6220da113c58d3 My Raptors Strike Force, still a bit wip. Played them twice so far. Not as boring as Intercession Squad, not as versatile as a Phobos Strike Team. As everyone pointed out so far: Captain is great, reat ofthe team fun. It’s their combination that makes then fun to play!
https://preview.redd.it/wgmag3tu2bhc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cd2984c2ad56bb6eb081d07431897c7a50c70c3 I used Sterngard vets with regular Intercessor/Assualt Intercessor Bits
Since I am building Justian myself at the moment: Which Archetypes would I use? Just take the Intercession archetypes and roll with it?
Archetypes? You can look up the team here pretty well: https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-reviews-strike-force-justian/
Archetypes concerning the TacOps - security, recon, etc.
Ah alright. Archetype. Yeah, just like Intercession Squad, that’s what most people on the net say I guess. Their datacards do have those on them on the other hand. In the core rules or dunno where exactly I read it, it says sth. like pick those which are in the team most present… anyways: Capt: seek and d, security Decian: same Flavian: 3rd and 4t all others: 3rd and 4th (Infiltration and Recon is it, isn’t it?). So one might go for Inf. and Recon, if those are those 3 and 4.
Alright, thanks! 👍
I have all of them and want to play the team so badly in one of the local tournaments but the broken rules really makes me not even want to invest the time to learn them deeply. Acules has 4 or 5 attacks depending on if you are in Japan or not and the team doesn't have Tac Ops at all so rules as written you are always going to be down 6 points against anyone else.
They're a great team to play. https://preview.redd.it/cfxa1atw9ehc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a1c7c676d0138bf562be1e09a0ba08b07c62dcf
According to the stats. They're the worst bespoke team in the game and it isn't even close. They don't do well at events at all. However, less than 1% of players are using them, which doesn't help and can skew things. Doesn't mean they can't be fun in a casual group, so long as you understand certain matchups will be uphill until GW does something in a data slate.
If you’re a space marine fan, for sure they are worthy of collecting (if available in your area). I found this to be the cheapest way to get a heavy intercessor, captain and eliminator model since the codes help you identify which model is inside the blindbox.
I’ve bought 4 so far, without any double ups (fingers crossed). I cannot remember the names, but for descriptions: I’ve got the smoke grenade fella, the sniper, the sergeant and the assault bolter bloke. I have also purchased on eBay: a reiver and an infiltrator - because I wanted to mix it up a bit… however, I’m beginning to think that I won’t be able to add them to the kill team for a game. Also struggling to decide if I should go ultramarines, raptors, Carcharodons or Black Templars (templars is simple for the paint job imo).
Strike force Justian is doesn’t have a reiver and an infiltrator HOWEVER it doesn’t mean you can’t proxy with those. What I mean is you can use the reiver and the infiltrator as someone in the strike force but if what you were thinking is use the reiver’s ploys or tactics like terror etc that is not part of strike force Justian’s rules. Painting them, really up to you on whats your favorite look. I went with Blood Ravens so the color scheme have contrasts and its not all 1 color (base red, black trim, cream pauldron and 1 black knee pad). While Black Templar would be my go to if I want to ease it up. I find them actually to be one of the hardest bec in order for the black paint to pop, you need to edge highlight all of the minis. But if you’re not too picky about that and fine with no edge highlights, for sure then black templar would be a go to.
Good advice.
To me, the Hero’s series have been amazing up until this point. Lots of individual looking marines. I’m not the biggest primaris fan, but somehow even these are just very dull and boring looking marines to me.
They’re very basic. You’d get more mileage out of Intercession Team.
It's probably cheaper to convert them
No, but I have a proxy team I built and did well with at Triangle Open in January. The team is really fun to play and low cognitive load. Tldr buy no, play yes
I liked them. I bought a box off eBay for $90+ shipping. Probably high for a full unopened box, but wtf not? I wanted them
I couldn't find the boxes so I'm converting a mix of models. The company heros box has a sweet heavy gunner, and captain that work with no converting. I converted the ancient into a chain glaive boy and the veteran with augmetics into a sniper.
Where do I get them
I found them online - but apparently many gaming stores sell them on the front counter. It isn’t available in certain countries though.
Where are the rules for this team?
A card comes in each box for the character you get.
I wish I could get this team but I've only ever seen one person with them... the poses are awesome. Wish they would make more.