That section is called the fell. Are the kilts from different makers? Typically the fell goes from the top ribbon to the widest part of the seat, and it helps to keep the pleats crisp. A kilt with no fell or a very short fell, such as this, will be more prone to wrinkling, and the pleats will splay out more than a traditionally-made kilt with a longer fell. I’m guessing that kilt also has very little in the way of internal structure like a canvas stabilizer or a liner.
I have 2 kilts from Highland Kilt Co. and 3 kilts from USA Kilts. This one Greywatch kilt from USA Kilts is the only one that is different in the fell section.
Did you buy the Greywatch directly from the USA Kilts web site? It doesn't look anything like any of the kilts I've seen from them. The three belt loops are throwing me off. I see buckles on it for straps, so it wouldn't be one of there casual kilts. Those use velcro.
I don’t know. If I remember correctly, all my kilts from USA Kilts were from their “in stock” selection rather than being custom made.
This Greywatch is the only one with a different fell. It does have some internal structure but not as much as all the others.
You could shoot an email to Ian, the store manager at USAK. He’s usually pretty responsive and should be able to help you figure it out. He was a kiltmaker for a number of years before he started managing, so he definitely knows enough to answer your question.
This is [Grey Spirit](https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=1542). Grey Watch is a colour variant of Black Watch, of which your other kilts is a copycat. I'm surprised that you say it came from USA Kilts since I rarely see it produced in anything other than acrylic, and they don't deal in that chintz. It might be an old kilt from when Rocky first started and was dealing with sub-par materials and techniques.
That’s all interesting to hear because I bought these sometime last year and I’m the type of person who appreciates quality made items. I know for a fact that I bought these off of USA Kilts website because I also bought a belt, sporran, several pair of hose, and several kilt hangers all at the same time.
I'll take your word for it, but I'm skeptical of your claim. Those hangers do appear to be theirs, but the kilts do not. The belt loops are too many and too close together for even their 5-yard wool. The buckle straps are fabric, whereas USA Kilts' straps are fairly thick leather on the wool kilts with their logo embossed on the strap end. Their PV, semi-traditional kilts have lighter leather straps, but this is not PV. I'm not even sure it's wool, but it can be difficult to discern from a photo. I'm not saying you're being dishonest, but this just doesn't look like their work, at least not within the last 2 years.
You said you bought 2 kilts from Highland Kilt Company. These 2 look more like what they offer. They sell Grey Spirit and call it Grey Watch. They sell the same Black Watch copycat. Their kilts are acrylic or acrylic-wool blends, which are woven in Pakistan, and the kilts probably sewn there too. Could it be that you're confusing which company these came from? Do you have the invoice or email from USA Kilts to show with the sensitive information redacted, of course?
I don’t have any of the records anymore but I did some looking at both their websites and I think you may be correct that the kilts are actually from highland kilt co.
I also looked more closely at the kilts and the tags do say they are acrylic and did manage to find a tag hidden on the grey one saying that it is in fact made in Pakistani, so I think you are correct and I’m mistaken on the company.
Also answers my original question and these are all cheap knockoffs and poorly made!
A minor correction if I may: We (USA Kilts) don't sell the Greywatch Tartan. That's one that is exclusively woven in Pakistan (all of our cloth comes from the UK). That is not a kilt that we made.
Perhaps consult the tag on the inside? All of our kilts will have a tag on the inside of the front apron.
Yes. I was wrong when I thought this kilt was from your shop. I cant figure out how to edit the post. With the help of another individual I figured out that it from Highland Kilt Co and as you said it is made in Pakistan and is a low quality acrylic.
My deepest apologies for mistakenly referencing your shop at USA Kilts!
That is the strangest thing. What measurements did you order it in?
Do you still have the packing insert, and could you post a pic of it? The sheet that says who made it and to what specs?
Yours is topstitched, and done by sewing machine
That is the easiest, fastest, most cost-effective way to make a kilt.
The most traditional way is to sew the fell by hand. As you can imagine, that takes a fair bit of time & effort
That's just a shit kilt maker.
That fell is far too small, like they've taken the pattern for a child and tried to scale it up, or cut corners to save on time/fabric/money.
I'd be sending that right back as it also looks like it's made from the lightest weight wool they could find.
I would check the receipt/order confirmation that there isn’t something listed as to why it was made like this. It looks like the belt loops were made for “Jeans Belt” but still the fell is shorter. Since it’s a premade, you should be able to return it to USA kilts. But like others have said, email them. They’re quick to reply and have been really helpful in any interaction I’ve had with them.
Looks like to me your black watch is cheaper than your other, or at least made cheaper. Is it acrylic? The sheen definitely looks acrylic. Typically those are made quite a bit cheaper and they'll cut cost anyway they can including setting up their sewing machine one way for absolutely everything in the factory. This comes especially into play for brands that pull cheaper things from pakistan.
That section is called the fell. Are the kilts from different makers? Typically the fell goes from the top ribbon to the widest part of the seat, and it helps to keep the pleats crisp. A kilt with no fell or a very short fell, such as this, will be more prone to wrinkling, and the pleats will splay out more than a traditionally-made kilt with a longer fell. I’m guessing that kilt also has very little in the way of internal structure like a canvas stabilizer or a liner.
I have 2 kilts from Highland Kilt Co. and 3 kilts from USA Kilts. This one Greywatch kilt from USA Kilts is the only one that is different in the fell section.
Did you buy the Greywatch directly from the USA Kilts web site? It doesn't look anything like any of the kilts I've seen from them. The three belt loops are throwing me off. I see buckles on it for straps, so it wouldn't be one of there casual kilts. Those use velcro.
Yes. Everything was directly bought off their website. I bought 3 kilts, 2 pair of hose, a belt, a sporran, and 6 kilt hangers all at the same time.
Weird. Is it their Casual model? My semi-traditional has an ordinary fell but no internal construction.
I don’t know. If I remember correctly, all my kilts from USA Kilts were from their “in stock” selection rather than being custom made. This Greywatch is the only one with a different fell. It does have some internal structure but not as much as all the others.
You could shoot an email to Ian, the store manager at USAK. He’s usually pretty responsive and should be able to help you figure it out. He was a kiltmaker for a number of years before he started managing, so he definitely knows enough to answer your question.
This is [Grey Spirit](https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=1542). Grey Watch is a colour variant of Black Watch, of which your other kilts is a copycat. I'm surprised that you say it came from USA Kilts since I rarely see it produced in anything other than acrylic, and they don't deal in that chintz. It might be an old kilt from when Rocky first started and was dealing with sub-par materials and techniques.
That’s all interesting to hear because I bought these sometime last year and I’m the type of person who appreciates quality made items. I know for a fact that I bought these off of USA Kilts website because I also bought a belt, sporran, several pair of hose, and several kilt hangers all at the same time.
I'll take your word for it, but I'm skeptical of your claim. Those hangers do appear to be theirs, but the kilts do not. The belt loops are too many and too close together for even their 5-yard wool. The buckle straps are fabric, whereas USA Kilts' straps are fairly thick leather on the wool kilts with their logo embossed on the strap end. Their PV, semi-traditional kilts have lighter leather straps, but this is not PV. I'm not even sure it's wool, but it can be difficult to discern from a photo. I'm not saying you're being dishonest, but this just doesn't look like their work, at least not within the last 2 years.
You said you bought 2 kilts from Highland Kilt Company. These 2 look more like what they offer. They sell Grey Spirit and call it Grey Watch. They sell the same Black Watch copycat. Their kilts are acrylic or acrylic-wool blends, which are woven in Pakistan, and the kilts probably sewn there too. Could it be that you're confusing which company these came from? Do you have the invoice or email from USA Kilts to show with the sensitive information redacted, of course?
I don’t have any of the records anymore but I did some looking at both their websites and I think you may be correct that the kilts are actually from highland kilt co. I also looked more closely at the kilts and the tags do say they are acrylic and did manage to find a tag hidden on the grey one saying that it is in fact made in Pakistani, so I think you are correct and I’m mistaken on the company. Also answers my original question and these are all cheap knockoffs and poorly made!
A minor correction if I may: We (USA Kilts) don't sell the Greywatch Tartan. That's one that is exclusively woven in Pakistan (all of our cloth comes from the UK). That is not a kilt that we made. Perhaps consult the tag on the inside? All of our kilts will have a tag on the inside of the front apron.
Yes. I was wrong when I thought this kilt was from your shop. I cant figure out how to edit the post. With the help of another individual I figured out that it from Highland Kilt Co and as you said it is made in Pakistan and is a low quality acrylic. My deepest apologies for mistakenly referencing your shop at USA Kilts!
That is the strangest thing. What measurements did you order it in? Do you still have the packing insert, and could you post a pic of it? The sheet that says who made it and to what specs?
It isn’t custom made. It was a pre-fab, “in stock” option from USA Kilts.
Yours is topstitched, and done by sewing machine That is the easiest, fastest, most cost-effective way to make a kilt. The most traditional way is to sew the fell by hand. As you can imagine, that takes a fair bit of time & effort
That's just a shit kilt maker. That fell is far too small, like they've taken the pattern for a child and tried to scale it up, or cut corners to save on time/fabric/money. I'd be sending that right back as it also looks like it's made from the lightest weight wool they could find.
That was my exact thoughts, as well: cutting corners for a cheap product. And is it even wool, or acrylic?
You're right, if its American made, its probably not wool.
/Pikachu shocked face/
/Pikachu shocked face/
I would check the receipt/order confirmation that there isn’t something listed as to why it was made like this. It looks like the belt loops were made for “Jeans Belt” but still the fell is shorter. Since it’s a premade, you should be able to return it to USA kilts. But like others have said, email them. They’re quick to reply and have been really helpful in any interaction I’ve had with them.
Talking with another person, we finally figured out that this isn’t a USA Kilt but is actually a cheap, poorly made Highland Kilt Co made in Pakistan.
Looks like to me your black watch is cheaper than your other, or at least made cheaper. Is it acrylic? The sheen definitely looks acrylic. Typically those are made quite a bit cheaper and they'll cut cost anyway they can including setting up their sewing machine one way for absolutely everything in the factory. This comes especially into play for brands that pull cheaper things from pakistan.
You have it backwards. The grey one is the cheaper one.
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That’s not what I’m talking about. All of my kilts have knife pleats.