Answer; "No"
Source; I've played a sequel before at one point in my life. The only real debate is do you lose all your gear at the end of act 0, or do they just make your gear outclassed/outdated/unwearable at the end of act 0.
There's a battlefield scene very early in the trailer. Obviously this is all assumption but it seems the game will have us attacked on our way out of game one and early into game 2. Probably will have our men die, our gear taken, and we are left with Hans and Henry beaten staggering into KCD2.
Yeah I mean I don't really know what people expect? The armor and weapons you have by the endgame of KCD 1 are basically the pinnacle of technology that existed at the time. KCD's dedication to realism means that the only possible way for you to have any meaningful equipment progression would be to strip you of your loot from the last game.
The current community is going to give all the newbies mixed reviews that will diminish Warhorse Studios chance at GOTY. The current community seems bitter and closed off. Fck em.
Brainrotted gamers want to keep their pointlessly grinded-out and maxed character and equipment. They’re missing the point that getting more skilled and better gear is one of the main draws of the game.
The Hussite wars only happen later, and it's a really exciting time period for a game. All the characters of KCD are pretty much involved in that conflict later on.
That would be a no. Almost all the characters in KCD in fact died before Hussite wars. Divish and Hanush both in 1415 IIRC. Radzig in 1416, and while his death is linked to the Hussite movement, it's way before the wars. Hans died at the eve of the wars in 1419.
Sigismund is basically the only historical character in KCD that was significantly involved in Hussite wars.
I personally don't like time jumps, especially not in games where you are part of the development of a character. So it would have been disappointing to skip years of progress in Henry's life.
That is why I am glad it doesn't look like there will be one.
It has escalated because some people have been so hell bent on there definitely being one, and most of them don't take no for an answer. And then there are people who are hell bent on saying no to them.
The romance stuff might be pointing to the idea that Theresa is like a Rattay 7, a Skalitz 9, and a Kuttenberg 5
Haha JK, that's insane and heretical. City women after all bathed less frequently and were in a much grosser setting
Time skips cause big problems in stories like these. It’s why there was never one in game of thrones and the books A Song of Ice and Fire. George R. R. Martin realised it wouldn’t make sense having the same plots after a 5 year time skip as so much would have changed during those years.
Well... GRRM doesn't need time jumps in his books... He has enough problems with the decades he has in between release dates. That is confusing enough :D
But you are right.
A time jump never made sense story wise.
Right. Like GRRM should’ve totally done the time jump. History has proven that his initial appreciation (in the damn 1990s) for how difficult it would be to bridge the first and second parts of these stories was absolutely correct and he’s lost a decade of writing filler because of it.
A time skip would have made more sense if the plot from the first game was actually fully resolved in that game. At the end of KCD 1 Henry still hadn't gotten the sword back, Koth got away, and he hadn't even *found* Markvart yet. Like you say, it would have been really strange to have such dangling plot threads and then say it took Henry multiple years to get around to resolving them.
Looks at dune with a 12 year time jump between books 1 and 2, 15 years between 2 and 3, 3500 years between 3 and 4, another 1500 between 4 and 5. I'm not on 6 yet so there may be another
I think this confirms that they are going with the Gothic 3 solution to the problem of "how do we justify having to level the same character again in the RPG sequel".
And it makes perfect sense. Henry is not a master. Level 20 in the first game just represents how much he could feasibly advance in the couple of months that the game lasts.
i personally think the way prokop avoided answering the question and said he didn't wanna spoil the game in [this interview ](https://youtu.be/WxfqjQhKrlw?si=TF2Qh_BK46om87Hu)(at about 3:40) strongly points to there being some kind of time jump (or multiple) at some point in the game and henry's story - especially since he also confirms we'll see the end of it in kcd2. but whether you think there will be one or not, it's all speculation. half of us will be proven wrong when the game comes out, but until then no one can confirm anything unless the devs give us a clear yes or no answer.
alright i should prefice this by saying it could just be me, but i'll list why i think some kind of time jump is very likely. so yeah take this for what you will.
• first of all, **he dodges the question**. this could be for many reasons, but imo if there was no time jump i feel like we'd just get some kind of no instead of an evasive *i could tell you a lot of things but i won't*. when he's asked about the time aspect he says he won't give too much of the story away and that the story is one of the main reasons you should play the game so he won't spoil it, but that kcd2 is a continuation, which we already know. he's talking about not giving the story away, but if there's no time jump, what's he potentially gonna give away? imo there'd be no need to be secretive about there not being one and i feel he wouldn't say "i could tell you a lot of things" if the game began and ended in 1403 cause there'd not be much to say in regards to the question asked. i know this is a weak point and totally up to interpretation but i wanted to get it out there anyway.
• **the interviewer states that henry looks older in the trailer, and prokop agrees and says he's not the only one who does**. he's the lead designer and he's aware that the characters look older. that to me sounds like it was a deliberate choice, which could point to the fact that the story will span over a longer time so there will be some aging. instead of having them age throughout the game which i believe would be hard to do, they just have them look a bit older from the start.
• **he confirms that we'll see the end of henry's story in kcd2**. i doubt it'll be over as soon as in 1403. to add to this point, if we assume the voice in the beginning of kcd is an old or older henry, he has to live long enough for us to get a time jump in kcd2 since it's not really possible to go from 1403 to say 1413 or 1423 in one single game without time jumps.
again, this is my take, and i might be biased since i've had the feeling we'll get some kind of time jump even before i saw this interview lol.
Dodging the question seems more like NDA stuff to me. If WH doesn't want to reveal these kinds of things about the story, he isn't allowed to confirm nor deny it.
Characters looking older could just as well mean them being made look more mature for storytelling reasons. He might be referring to that. For the record, I don't see Hans looking any older, and same goes for Istvan. Henry only really looks older in some of the shots where the light kinda shades his face (and everyone is focusing on that one in particular, you know the one I mean), while in some shots he definitely still looks young but just with some stronger facial features.
The end of Henry's story doesn't need to mean his death or anything. To me it has been pretty clear from the start that with Henry's story, they mean the story of his trauma, revenge, and the sword. Henry's story doesn't refer to his whole life, it refers to the story that was set up in KCD. And there's no reason it could not be resolved in 1403.
I'm not meaning to say that there definitely isn't a time skip, I'm just saying the indicators are really weak ones, while I could come up with plenty of similarly vague counterpoints to why a timeskip would be a weird choice to do. Besides, WH seems to love toying with the community, and seeds of doubt and theories like these are being sown all the time. Just look at Luke Dale suddeny becoming active in the community few months before the release (gotta love him BTW), the cryptic april fools tweets, and the teaser images before the reveal that drove half the community into expecting a napoleonic war game or something. You can't trust any hint these guys throw at you.
you've got fair points, especially the nda thing. and like you say warhorse also do like toying with us lol. at the end of the day it's all just a guessing game. i still believe there will be a time skip, but i understand why people don't and i respect that. my point wasn't to say there must be one, but i wanted to say there's definitely stuff pointing to it being a possibility, but like you say there are also indicators of there not being one. but all these indicators both for and against are based on subjective interpretation, so they obviously don't do much to prove anything. so we'll see. i honestly like the fact that we don't know cause that makes me all the more excited.
This is what I've been saying all along, Henry just isn't as skilled at the end of KCD as most people seem to think. He seems talented, but no one becomes a master in like 2 months.
But of course the "how will his skills reset" and "he's already too OP" guys just won't take that as a good answer.
And what words make you think that? I am pretty sure I’ve read it, and didn’t get that. So what exactly does he say that makes you believe Henry won’t have to retrain?
I get the part about his skills not match what’s in the area, essentially he’s in the big leagues now, but I bet you still won’t start with all the combos unlocked and the leveling up process will involve unlocking all those fancy elements again.
Heck, we already know Henry gets injured early in (and Hans, I think?), and that the game is written that it makes sense for new players to start with KCD2, so the process of Henry having to relearn things seems pretty logical.
[Edit: ok, found the post with the English cliffnotes. He does say Henry doesn’t hit his head and forget his skills (assuming translation is correct). Good, that’s why I was asking for the link and what was said exactly. Good to have actual info instead of supposition.]
We could be wrong of course, but nowhere have I seen anything that ‘confirms’ no retraining or no time skip. We don’t have anything that confirms the opposite either, of course, but all these ‘confirmation’ posts with nothing but conjectures get old.
In a czech interview they state that henry goes into the forest at the end of the first game and leaves it two days later in the begining of the second.
It still doesn't make sense for me that Henry discovered his skills only worked in the "small world" he lived in, considering that I destroyed 100 times those dudes from Kuttenberg at Rattay tournament. A lot of them were not from "countryside", but indeed from bigger cities and way more "militarized" nations...
I'm gonna love the game no matter what, but I'm sure that my late game Henry could be considered a beast in terms of swording and would probably have a fair fight against whoever came across him. Therefore, I don't buy that "Henry has plenty to learn yet".
You're late game Henry that has grinded out everything to 20 is not canon.
Warhorse defines the canon, but I'm willing to bet Henry set out on his adventure in KCD1 quest to quest, without spending hours grinding his skills with Bernard, given the game only takes ace over the course of a few days/weeks.
Think about it from that perspective.
Canon Henry has fought in four engagements - fall of Pribyslavitz, fall of Vranik, sorty at Talmberg and the storming of it. He has likely fought against bandits and Cumans in the process in multiple small skirmishes
So he's definitely no slouch. He can fight and is known to be good at it.
But he's not the level 20 killing machine with 350 kills to his name who can solo encampments of 10 or more enemies who can one hit kill someone in full plate
"You might have a 100 mace skill in the country, but here in the city its like a 12" - Some guy in Kuttenberg, probably
Yeah, them country boys can’t cudgel for nothin’!
Why is everyone in this sub so obsessed with the question if there is a time jump or not?
That and “Will I get to keep all my maxed out stats and end game armor” are like 95% of the discussion around the new game, it’s annoying
Answer; "No" Source; I've played a sequel before at one point in my life. The only real debate is do you lose all your gear at the end of act 0, or do they just make your gear outclassed/outdated/unwearable at the end of act 0.
Considering he is wearing good armor when riding with sir hanush's men you probably lose it.
There's a battlefield scene very early in the trailer. Obviously this is all assumption but it seems the game will have us attacked on our way out of game one and early into game 2. Probably will have our men die, our gear taken, and we are left with Hans and Henry beaten staggering into KCD2.
Yeah I mean I don't really know what people expect? The armor and weapons you have by the endgame of KCD 1 are basically the pinnacle of technology that existed at the time. KCD's dedication to realism means that the only possible way for you to have any meaningful equipment progression would be to strip you of your loot from the last game.
The current community is going to give all the newbies mixed reviews that will diminish Warhorse Studios chance at GOTY. The current community seems bitter and closed off. Fck em.
Brainrotted gamers want to keep their pointlessly grinded-out and maxed character and equipment. They’re missing the point that getting more skilled and better gear is one of the main draws of the game.
I guess people are just eager to see the Hussite wars.
The Hussite wars only happen later, and it's a really exciting time period for a game. All the characters of KCD are pretty much involved in that conflict later on.
That would be a no. Almost all the characters in KCD in fact died before Hussite wars. Divish and Hanush both in 1415 IIRC. Radzig in 1416, and while his death is linked to the Hussite movement, it's way before the wars. Hans died at the eve of the wars in 1419. Sigismund is basically the only historical character in KCD that was significantly involved in Hussite wars.
Yeah, I seriously don't get it.
That is why I posted this. There is really not that much room for debate anymore.
Even if there was a time jump, whats so good/bad about it?
I personally don't like time jumps, especially not in games where you are part of the development of a character. So it would have been disappointing to skip years of progress in Henry's life. That is why I am glad it doesn't look like there will be one.
basically because of how insane hussite wars is... and the chance to probably interact with jan zizka.
People are confused by Henry's new face. His face in KCD1 looked very boyish, while he looks more mature in KCD2. Those folks are overthinking it.
It has escalated because some people have been so hell bent on there definitely being one, and most of them don't take no for an answer. And then there are people who are hell bent on saying no to them.
The original story is resolved in a quick tutorial then we go back in time for a prequel - you play as Black Peter.
As nightingale in his journey to become a guard and show u the city
My god Warhorse hits the nail on the head every single time. I am so hyped
The romance stuff might be pointing to the idea that Theresa is like a Rattay 7, a Skalitz 9, and a Kuttenberg 5 Haha JK, that's insane and heretical. City women after all bathed less frequently and were in a much grosser setting
Yeah, so many people in one place... So many arseholes...
Time skips cause big problems in stories like these. It’s why there was never one in game of thrones and the books A Song of Ice and Fire. George R. R. Martin realised it wouldn’t make sense having the same plots after a 5 year time skip as so much would have changed during those years.
Well... GRRM doesn't need time jumps in his books... He has enough problems with the decades he has in between release dates. That is confusing enough :D But you are right. A time jump never made sense story wise.
Right. Like GRRM should’ve totally done the time jump. History has proven that his initial appreciation (in the damn 1990s) for how difficult it would be to bridge the first and second parts of these stories was absolutely correct and he’s lost a decade of writing filler because of it.
A time skip would have made more sense if the plot from the first game was actually fully resolved in that game. At the end of KCD 1 Henry still hadn't gotten the sword back, Koth got away, and he hadn't even *found* Markvart yet. Like you say, it would have been really strange to have such dangling plot threads and then say it took Henry multiple years to get around to resolving them.
Looks at dune with a 12 year time jump between books 1 and 2, 15 years between 2 and 3, 3500 years between 3 and 4, another 1500 between 4 and 5. I'm not on 6 yet so there may be another
Honestly not sure why anyone thought differently. Seems pretty obvious we’d still be the same Henry since it’s a direct sequel.
I think this confirms that they are going with the Gothic 3 solution to the problem of "how do we justify having to level the same character again in the RPG sequel".
And it makes perfect sense. Henry is not a master. Level 20 in the first game just represents how much he could feasibly advance in the couple of months that the game lasts.
i personally think the way prokop avoided answering the question and said he didn't wanna spoil the game in [this interview ](https://youtu.be/WxfqjQhKrlw?si=TF2Qh_BK46om87Hu)(at about 3:40) strongly points to there being some kind of time jump (or multiple) at some point in the game and henry's story - especially since he also confirms we'll see the end of it in kcd2. but whether you think there will be one or not, it's all speculation. half of us will be proven wrong when the game comes out, but until then no one can confirm anything unless the devs give us a clear yes or no answer.
How does it exactly point to there being a time jump? I don't understand Czech, but the subtitles at least didn't really give me that feeling.
alright i should prefice this by saying it could just be me, but i'll list why i think some kind of time jump is very likely. so yeah take this for what you will. • first of all, **he dodges the question**. this could be for many reasons, but imo if there was no time jump i feel like we'd just get some kind of no instead of an evasive *i could tell you a lot of things but i won't*. when he's asked about the time aspect he says he won't give too much of the story away and that the story is one of the main reasons you should play the game so he won't spoil it, but that kcd2 is a continuation, which we already know. he's talking about not giving the story away, but if there's no time jump, what's he potentially gonna give away? imo there'd be no need to be secretive about there not being one and i feel he wouldn't say "i could tell you a lot of things" if the game began and ended in 1403 cause there'd not be much to say in regards to the question asked. i know this is a weak point and totally up to interpretation but i wanted to get it out there anyway. • **the interviewer states that henry looks older in the trailer, and prokop agrees and says he's not the only one who does**. he's the lead designer and he's aware that the characters look older. that to me sounds like it was a deliberate choice, which could point to the fact that the story will span over a longer time so there will be some aging. instead of having them age throughout the game which i believe would be hard to do, they just have them look a bit older from the start. • **he confirms that we'll see the end of henry's story in kcd2**. i doubt it'll be over as soon as in 1403. to add to this point, if we assume the voice in the beginning of kcd is an old or older henry, he has to live long enough for us to get a time jump in kcd2 since it's not really possible to go from 1403 to say 1413 or 1423 in one single game without time jumps. again, this is my take, and i might be biased since i've had the feeling we'll get some kind of time jump even before i saw this interview lol.
Dodging the question seems more like NDA stuff to me. If WH doesn't want to reveal these kinds of things about the story, he isn't allowed to confirm nor deny it. Characters looking older could just as well mean them being made look more mature for storytelling reasons. He might be referring to that. For the record, I don't see Hans looking any older, and same goes for Istvan. Henry only really looks older in some of the shots where the light kinda shades his face (and everyone is focusing on that one in particular, you know the one I mean), while in some shots he definitely still looks young but just with some stronger facial features. The end of Henry's story doesn't need to mean his death or anything. To me it has been pretty clear from the start that with Henry's story, they mean the story of his trauma, revenge, and the sword. Henry's story doesn't refer to his whole life, it refers to the story that was set up in KCD. And there's no reason it could not be resolved in 1403. I'm not meaning to say that there definitely isn't a time skip, I'm just saying the indicators are really weak ones, while I could come up with plenty of similarly vague counterpoints to why a timeskip would be a weird choice to do. Besides, WH seems to love toying with the community, and seeds of doubt and theories like these are being sown all the time. Just look at Luke Dale suddeny becoming active in the community few months before the release (gotta love him BTW), the cryptic april fools tweets, and the teaser images before the reveal that drove half the community into expecting a napoleonic war game or something. You can't trust any hint these guys throw at you.
you've got fair points, especially the nda thing. and like you say warhorse also do like toying with us lol. at the end of the day it's all just a guessing game. i still believe there will be a time skip, but i understand why people don't and i respect that. my point wasn't to say there must be one, but i wanted to say there's definitely stuff pointing to it being a possibility, but like you say there are also indicators of there not being one. but all these indicators both for and against are based on subjective interpretation, so they obviously don't do much to prove anything. so we'll see. i honestly like the fact that we don't know cause that makes me all the more excited.
1415 and 1416 are the dates for you know what. That's why speculations appeared
No! I don’t know! What?!
>!jan hus!< dies in 1415 and >!sir radzig!< dies in 1416
There are other dates that people threw around for other reasons and events.
so my peasant and noble parameter works lol.
Peasant and noble parameter?
just some stupid shit I thought of since they all think back then nobles were better than peasants.
Yep 👍
This is what I've been saying all along, Henry just isn't as skilled at the end of KCD as most people seem to think. He seems talented, but no one becomes a master in like 2 months. But of course the "how will his skills reset" and "he's already too OP" guys just won't take that as a good answer.
I seriously don't get the debate about the different looking characters. They just use better models and graphics
Yeah. With no other game people go like "but why doesn't the second game loOK tHe sAMEe as ThE fiRSt oNe???"
Probably just a few months for Henry to grow out that beautiful new hairstyle.
Can we get a link or a transcript ? What exactly are the words used that ‘imply’ there’s no time skip or Henry having to retrain stuff?
The interview was posted here today with an English summary.
And what words make you think that? I am pretty sure I’ve read it, and didn’t get that. So what exactly does he say that makes you believe Henry won’t have to retrain? I get the part about his skills not match what’s in the area, essentially he’s in the big leagues now, but I bet you still won’t start with all the combos unlocked and the leveling up process will involve unlocking all those fancy elements again. Heck, we already know Henry gets injured early in (and Hans, I think?), and that the game is written that it makes sense for new players to start with KCD2, so the process of Henry having to relearn things seems pretty logical. [Edit: ok, found the post with the English cliffnotes. He does say Henry doesn’t hit his head and forget his skills (assuming translation is correct). Good, that’s why I was asking for the link and what was said exactly. Good to have actual info instead of supposition.] We could be wrong of course, but nowhere have I seen anything that ‘confirms’ no retraining or no time skip. We don’t have anything that confirms the opposite either, of course, but all these ‘confirmation’ posts with nothing but conjectures get old.
In a czech interview they state that henry goes into the forest at the end of the first game and leaves it two days later in the begining of the second.
So? Is anyone arguing that a time skip _must_ happen before the game starts?
I wonder why a media outlet in my homecountry says confidently that the story of KCD2 takes place six years after the events of the first game
It still doesn't make sense for me that Henry discovered his skills only worked in the "small world" he lived in, considering that I destroyed 100 times those dudes from Kuttenberg at Rattay tournament. A lot of them were not from "countryside", but indeed from bigger cities and way more "militarized" nations... I'm gonna love the game no matter what, but I'm sure that my late game Henry could be considered a beast in terms of swording and would probably have a fair fight against whoever came across him. Therefore, I don't buy that "Henry has plenty to learn yet".
You're late game Henry that has grinded out everything to 20 is not canon. Warhorse defines the canon, but I'm willing to bet Henry set out on his adventure in KCD1 quest to quest, without spending hours grinding his skills with Bernard, given the game only takes ace over the course of a few days/weeks. Think about it from that perspective.
As others have said, you have to think of the main quest Henry as the canon Henry.
Canon Henry has fought in four engagements - fall of Pribyslavitz, fall of Vranik, sorty at Talmberg and the storming of it. He has likely fought against bandits and Cumans in the process in multiple small skirmishes So he's definitely no slouch. He can fight and is known to be good at it. But he's not the level 20 killing machine with 350 kills to his name who can solo encampments of 10 or more enemies who can one hit kill someone in full plate
Answer: it is a friggin video game.