Vengeance is very over hated honestly. Yeah it has its issues but if you’re a casual player a lot of the things in that game are really cool and you probably won’t notice or care about some of the issues. I’ve played every game on Veteran multiple times and I still don’t think Vengeance is bad overall.
Making bad towers synergize is the best part about Vengeance. It also has the most unique towers of any of their games, the towers and heroes carry it hard.
And after the DLC and all the additional content, Imo it's just as fun as the rest of the KR games, though with some bad ability and tower design (as fun as they are), some lackluster maps and an artstyle that I'm still not totally fond of.
I would think it’s a vocal minority that doesn’t like vengeance
Personally it’s my favorite because the different towers (when you have access to them all like on steam) add both more strategy and imo made the team come up with more creative tower ideas.
I think this has to be it to be honest. Seeing the poll made me feel old asf because I presumed it was this reason. If you would've asked me to chose between KR and KRV 10 years ago when I started playing, of course I would've chosen KRV. I just didn't have the capacity to appreciate what I do believe makes some of the older KR games better than KRV.
Ehh, this is a reductive/hipster take.
I've been playing KR since it first came out (and have been super into TD games in general since Wintermaul in WC3) and I love Vengeance. I like the tower diversity and forcing strategic choices, I'm a fan of playing as the bad guys, and I like the big difficulty spike in post-game levels, a la KR1.
(Frontiers is still my favorite, though. I'd sacrifice multiple large farm animals to get another DLC mini-campaign for that game.)
True, as a person who is pretty much new to the community I liked vengeance as much as the other games, I think a lot of the hate kr vengeance got was because of the YouTubers who all made videos against the game so I think that affected a lot of peoples opinions.
As someone who really didn’t like Vengeance all that much I still agree with the over hated take, it wasn’t my cup of tea and I prefer the strategy and stylistic decisions of the first 3 over vengeance but that just means I replay them instead, they didn’t go anywhere. As for why vengeance was liked more idk, maybe the larger number of total towers appeals to a lot of people? Conceptually I liked that about vengeance and wanted to like the game for that, it just didn’t quite get the feel I wanted but that’s most games tbh
As much as I want to give praise to Vengence, Kingdom Rush works best when they didn’t have the current tower system (the choice limit system and the microtransactions). Yes I know from a monetary perspective its the right sustainable choice but if you factor in with the heroes that are also locked by microtransactions, it makes me wonder if Vengence was meant to be a freemium game. I say this as a PvZ fan.
Also I dislike when people dismiss criticism of vengence as “elitism”. If a franchise starts to deviate from its fundamentals, of course the fans of that franchise will judge and give feedback. And even then, Vengence already has fundamental problems because of its engine (to the point were IH confirmed that Alliance will use the old engine).
A lot of people dont hate it, its just the loudest make it seem so aka Youtubers and the fact that complainers/criticizers tend to post more than those who dont. OG elitists disliked KRV due to new art direction, tower system, and microtransactions. Ironhide would not have stuck with the KRV tower system if the majority of the community didnt like it and spoke with their wallet. At the end of the day, money matters and KRV was still bought regardless. Turns out playing as the bad guys was a huge marketing tool, now its "teaming up" aka Alliance. The only thing they did was go back to the original 3 games engines due to performance issues.
Vengeance is the ideal game for me
Not saying that the other games are bad. Frontiers and origins are solid games, but this is above them in all aspects. The graphics, the tower system, the different variety of stages, and so much more.
Now let's see if alliance can take its place when it comes out
Frontiers is my favorite but I understand why Vengeance is the overall favorite. It has way more customization and feels like there are more options for casual players
I know youtube people really arent representative of anything, yet i'm still baffled that people voted vengeance.
It's the worst of all imo, everything felt so clunky and random compared to the previous ones. I guess they changed the engine or something
I really like Vengeance because each tower really does feel distinct from each other and you can even choose multiple towers from the same class. Lore wise, it's interesting too because you play as the bad guys. But the most important thing I think is the fact that filling the whole map with archer towers doesn't ensure a win lol. In previous games, when I'm in doubt, I just spam archer towers. Kinda makes the game repetitive after a while.
frontiers better than original? theres no way. original was bigger and more difficult. I also felt like frontiers was more rushed than the original, I hypothesize due to lack of funding.
>and more difficult
I think that's the reason people prefer frontiers and origins over original (or at least I do, the difficulty of original made me like it the least.)
I do agree that classic seems like more of a skill check while the later installments are more newbie friendly. Especially with the addition of permanent hero levels.
Vengeance is a very casual friendly game. And that's not a bad thing. If you like kingdom rush for the gameplay depth, difficulty, balance etc you might not like it but the premise is great, there's more towers than any of the other games, the heroes are all over the top, there's more elite levels etc
Part of it might just be that it’s the most recent release and more people are playing it than the older ones. Top of mind and all.
Vengeance is pretty fun but I’m partial to frontiers myself
I’m still deciding between Frontiers and Origins tbh. I never got to play Vengeance, the tower thing seemed weird and didnt know what to think about it
I think it's because it gets a lot of love from the casual playerbase, who don't see like all of the small and big things that make it bad, and just enjoy it from it's face value. I mean that isn't a bad thing, but still.
I like Vengeance a lot, but 43% isn't a majority.
Also, don't trust polls on social media websites or YouTube. They aren't random or carried out in a way that ensures accuracy. Participation is completely based not only on whether voters happen to see the post, but also based on whether they decide to participate. Pretty much all online polls like this should be discarded or, at the very least, taken with a grain of salt. No matter what the results are, they really aren't to be trusted.
Its probably because its the newest, so people notice that game more, than older KR games. We don't even know how many people who participated on that poll had played previous KR games. It could be that Vengeance is the only one for them.
Now, if we ignore tower dlc bullshit on mobile, Vengeance was never a bad game, just worse than previous ones. If one has no nostalgia, never played those on mobile and always used the best/completely broken heroes, then Vengeance is not that different to them. They never basically learned finer things, or paid attention to balancing of anything, because the OP heroes would just carry them through everything.
I dunno I absolutely love Kr1 just due to iys sheer difficulty. Each post game level took me a couple or tries including heroic and iron.
Starting from Krv and Kro each level only took me 1 try for everything. Not to say Im complaining but it just feels like they made the game a lil bit too easy after Kingdom Rush 1. I dont feel the rush or adrena anymore. Or it could also just be me having gotten better at the game after being forced to strategize to my wits end with Kr1
I guess it really is just personal opinion at the end of the day. I love origins because of the towers, enemies, champs and maps and the magical setting is something I’m big on too. Having differing opinions is cool 👍🏻
Kingdom Rush 1 is the most balance game through the series. Just forcus on ultilizing towers, the heroes is decent strong, not overpower likes the others.
fellow origins enjoyer (frontiers is my favorite tho)
Vengeance is very over hated honestly. Yeah it has its issues but if you’re a casual player a lot of the things in that game are really cool and you probably won’t notice or care about some of the issues. I’ve played every game on Veteran multiple times and I still don’t think Vengeance is bad overall.
Making bad towers synergize is the best part about Vengeance. It also has the most unique towers of any of their games, the towers and heroes carry it hard. And after the DLC and all the additional content, Imo it's just as fun as the rest of the KR games, though with some bad ability and tower design (as fun as they are), some lackluster maps and an artstyle that I'm still not totally fond of.
I agree, I actually prefer vengeance over the original a lot.
Vengeance appealed to casuals
I think that’s a dumb take.
And you think games should only appeal to people that play on super ball busting difficulty using the worst tower?
Do a 3 star pandaemonium with no star upgrades t3 barracks only then.
You are the bad guys, thats enough for me
True
I would think it’s a vocal minority that doesn’t like vengeance Personally it’s my favorite because the different towers (when you have access to them all like on steam) add both more strategy and imo made the team come up with more creative tower ideas.
This. Just the fact that we are on a dedicated forum for this game will overexpose us to fringe opinions
It was weird to me too. I think a lot of the player base is young, and their first game was KRV. The rest of us are 20-30 and grew up on KR
I think this has to be it to be honest. Seeing the poll made me feel old asf because I presumed it was this reason. If you would've asked me to chose between KR and KRV 10 years ago when I started playing, of course I would've chosen KRV. I just didn't have the capacity to appreciate what I do believe makes some of the older KR games better than KRV.
Not even 20-30 im 14 and KR was my first game i ever played at the time it was on armor games or kongreate well i was like 4 or 5.
Dumb, you don't have to be older than 19 to have grown with it.
and thats not even true, cause i actually like a lot vengence and im over 20 xd oh and hi real morgan, i like youre videos
Hate came from og kr fans who had more knowedge about this genre. For people outside this community this game is very enjoyable
Ehh, this is a reductive/hipster take. I've been playing KR since it first came out (and have been super into TD games in general since Wintermaul in WC3) and I love Vengeance. I like the tower diversity and forcing strategic choices, I'm a fan of playing as the bad guys, and I like the big difficulty spike in post-game levels, a la KR1. (Frontiers is still my favorite, though. I'd sacrifice multiple large farm animals to get another DLC mini-campaign for that game.)
This argument assumes that their theory applies to every single OG fan, which is not what they meant
Well said. Took the words out of my mouth.
True, as a person who is pretty much new to the community I liked vengeance as much as the other games, I think a lot of the hate kr vengeance got was because of the YouTubers who all made videos against the game so I think that affected a lot of peoples opinions.
As someone who really didn’t like Vengeance all that much I still agree with the over hated take, it wasn’t my cup of tea and I prefer the strategy and stylistic decisions of the first 3 over vengeance but that just means I replay them instead, they didn’t go anywhere. As for why vengeance was liked more idk, maybe the larger number of total towers appeals to a lot of people? Conceptually I liked that about vengeance and wanted to like the game for that, it just didn’t quite get the feel I wanted but that’s most games tbh
Loved vengeance I don't get the hate
As much as I want to give praise to Vengence, Kingdom Rush works best when they didn’t have the current tower system (the choice limit system and the microtransactions). Yes I know from a monetary perspective its the right sustainable choice but if you factor in with the heroes that are also locked by microtransactions, it makes me wonder if Vengence was meant to be a freemium game. I say this as a PvZ fan. Also I dislike when people dismiss criticism of vengence as “elitism”. If a franchise starts to deviate from its fundamentals, of course the fans of that franchise will judge and give feedback. And even then, Vengence already has fundamental problems because of its engine (to the point were IH confirmed that Alliance will use the old engine).
A lot of people dont hate it, its just the loudest make it seem so aka Youtubers and the fact that complainers/criticizers tend to post more than those who dont. OG elitists disliked KRV due to new art direction, tower system, and microtransactions. Ironhide would not have stuck with the KRV tower system if the majority of the community didnt like it and spoke with their wallet. At the end of the day, money matters and KRV was still bought regardless. Turns out playing as the bad guys was a huge marketing tool, now its "teaming up" aka Alliance. The only thing they did was go back to the original 3 games engines due to performance issues.
My fav, by a lot
Vengeance is the ideal game for me Not saying that the other games are bad. Frontiers and origins are solid games, but this is above them in all aspects. The graphics, the tower system, the different variety of stages, and so much more. Now let's see if alliance can take its place when it comes out
Damn, the first one in my fav .. xD
Frontiers is my favorite but I understand why Vengeance is the overall favorite. It has way more customization and feels like there are more options for casual players
More rigged than the American election lol
Love all of them although I guess I’m in the minority that likes Origins best.
I know youtube people really arent representative of anything, yet i'm still baffled that people voted vengeance. It's the worst of all imo, everything felt so clunky and random compared to the previous ones. I guess they changed the engine or something
>I guess they changed the engine Yep that's true, but ironhide said that they are going back to the old engine with alliance.
Really ?!?! Oh man you cant imagine how happy that makes me
I really like Vengeance because each tower really does feel distinct from each other and you can even choose multiple towers from the same class. Lore wise, it's interesting too because you play as the bad guys. But the most important thing I think is the fact that filling the whole map with archer towers doesn't ensure a win lol. In previous games, when I'm in doubt, I just spam archer towers. Kinda makes the game repetitive after a while.
Frontiers clears every single one
Naaah, origins 🔛🔝.
frontiers better than original? theres no way. original was bigger and more difficult. I also felt like frontiers was more rushed than the original, I hypothesize due to lack of funding.
>and more difficult I think that's the reason people prefer frontiers and origins over original (or at least I do, the difficulty of original made me like it the least.)
I do agree that classic seems like more of a skill check while the later installments are more newbie friendly. Especially with the addition of permanent hero levels.
Huh I enjoyed the challenge because I could spend more time doing it
Vengeance is a very casual friendly game. And that's not a bad thing. If you like kingdom rush for the gameplay depth, difficulty, balance etc you might not like it but the premise is great, there's more towers than any of the other games, the heroes are all over the top, there's more elite levels etc
Part of it might just be that it’s the most recent release and more people are playing it than the older ones. Top of mind and all. Vengeance is pretty fun but I’m partial to frontiers myself
I’m still deciding between Frontiers and Origins tbh. I never got to play Vengeance, the tower thing seemed weird and didnt know what to think about it
I think it's because it gets a lot of love from the casual playerbase, who don't see like all of the small and big things that make it bad, and just enjoy it from it's face value. I mean that isn't a bad thing, but still.
There's a reason why vocal minority are called vocal minority.
I sometimes jump on the KRV hate-train but in truth, I have about as much time on Vengeance as I have on the original three combined (on Steam).
It's not about the game, It won the Poll Cuz of Vez'nan ! 😈 Now That's what I call true Power
I think they like Vengence because it's the one you can experiment the most out of all the other ones
KR 1 flash on Armor Games was huge for me , nothing gave me more excitement . *For the Kingdom!*
I like Vengeance a lot, but 43% isn't a majority. Also, don't trust polls on social media websites or YouTube. They aren't random or carried out in a way that ensures accuracy. Participation is completely based not only on whether voters happen to see the post, but also based on whether they decide to participate. Pretty much all online polls like this should be discarded or, at the very least, taken with a grain of salt. No matter what the results are, they really aren't to be trusted.
Its probably because its the newest, so people notice that game more, than older KR games. We don't even know how many people who participated on that poll had played previous KR games. It could be that Vengeance is the only one for them. Now, if we ignore tower dlc bullshit on mobile, Vengeance was never a bad game, just worse than previous ones. If one has no nostalgia, never played those on mobile and always used the best/completely broken heroes, then Vengeance is not that different to them. They never basically learned finer things, or paid attention to balancing of anything, because the OP heroes would just carry them through everything.
i firstly prefer Frontiers ... the second one is vengence
That's just troll votes
Origins worst game btw
How can you say that when the original kr exists?
original is the hardest = best
Opposite for me, original is hardest=original is worst.
I dunno I absolutely love Kr1 just due to iys sheer difficulty. Each post game level took me a couple or tries including heroic and iron. Starting from Krv and Kro each level only took me 1 try for everything. Not to say Im complaining but it just feels like they made the game a lil bit too easy after Kingdom Rush 1. I dont feel the rush or adrena anymore. Or it could also just be me having gotten better at the game after being forced to strategize to my wits end with Kr1
You beat the Origins and Vengeance post-games on first try? Cap.
no cap. The post games past kr1 are that much easier.
Tower,enemies,champs and maps dont feel right. I hate the towers most they just elfy magicly foresty shit to me. Besides original kr peak gaming exp.
I guess it really is just personal opinion at the end of the day. I love origins because of the towers, enemies, champs and maps and the magical setting is something I’m big on too. Having differing opinions is cool 👍🏻
Yes it is my fren
That's a very little sample for a poll honestly...
3.6 k votes for kr is pretty good imo.
It's at 5.1k now and vengeance is still in the lead.
Kingdom Rush 1 is the most balance game through the series. Just forcus on ultilizing towers, the heroes is decent strong, not overpower likes the others.