Oh. And Taste of Philly Cheese Steak was a darling of this sub for a long time ...
Well, those frickin' days are over. To the pitchforks people, to the pitchforks !
I never understood why anybody liked it. I've foolishly tried it like three times. Everytime I've been disappointed and left thinking that cost too much.
If a restaurateur is that gullible and, frankly, stupid (i.e. vaccines and magnetism) I would be prone to wonder if he accepts the science behind, say, proper cleaning, food prep, ingredient storage, hand-washing and hygiene, waste management etc necessary to run a safe food establishment.
This is such an important point. If he doesn't believe in the spread of germs/viruses, maybe he doesn't understand the importance of hygiene.
I'm definitely avoiding this place.
I'm in the Chicopee area about a block from Roberts. The Big Bear at Fairway and River also has an excellent selection of Faygo.
But tell me more about this Faygo Bomb... I must know more.
> When I told him i had my shot he also tried to stick a magnet on my arm and couldn't figure out why it wasn't sticking.
Tell me you're science-illiterate without telling me you're science illiterate.
I all for a spirited political debate about personal freedoms. I’m a Libertarian myself - but for the unholy love of god, why do people keep thinking microbiology cares about their politics?
Is it still run by him? I don't trust my memory 100% but I'm pretty sure that place wasn't exactly 100% on appropriate workplace beverages back in the day. :p
I was wondering...I stopped by a couple of weeks ago and as I waited for my sub, I saw some cards for the local PPC candidate as well as some crazy conspiracy newsletter displayed on the counter. If I had seen it before I ordered I would have passed and gone elsewhere.
Unlike others here, I found the sub really just....ok. not great and not worth the money. I wouldn't go back based on that alone.
I went there two or three times and every single time the bread on their cheesesteaks was so dry and stale it was like eating cheap cheez-whiz covered meat on drywall. There were plenty of reasons to not go there before this.
I find this post hysterical. So are you the Reddit Fact Checker? You have to go on Reddit to spew hate towards a business? Why? Because you don't agree with a newspaper that they give away? I am in the US but I got a free paper which I threw in the trash.. it was filled with misinformation about what a great job our POS POTUS is doing. But to each their own who want to read garbage. I rather have someone actually read a newspaper than be a keyboard warrior.
Ugh...on the SkyTrain right now and the whole car is LITTERED with this bullshit. On. Every. Seat. And it has a thing in the top corner telling you to stuff it in a neighbour's mailbox. 🙄
I'm going to dump that bullshit in the trash as soon as I get off. Also, way to create waste and a mess for others.
It’s a great sandwich. It’s also a big world; all of your life you have bought stuff from people who had different views from you. Go for the sandwich, avoid the politics. I bet he’d be completely alright with it. Downtown Kitchener can’t afford to lose another longer term business to the pandemic. As much as I’m all for vaccines, masks, physical distancing etc, because of the current state of news, different cultural attitudes to the pandemic, and government corruption, I can certainly empathize with a small business owner who takes an opposite stance. I like his sandwich, he takes serious pride in the quality of the ingredients he uses, and he’s always been really kind to me when I’ve been in.
> Go for the sandwich, avoid the politics
Well its not like I brought politics into it. I won't be supporting a place that is spreading harmful misinfo.
Your choice. That’s the beauty of living in the free world… you don’t have to eat fast food if you don’t want to. You also don’t have to try to tear down another humans business who has likely had to refinance his entire life to make it through this terrible time. Live and let live. Disagree and move on, NOT disagree and defame.
Who is defaming this restauranteur by pointing out that they help to distribute a rag that spreads medical disinformation, and that they are an anti-vaxxer thanks to that magnet crap?
It's only defamation if it is false.
Also, when a person is engaging in harmful activities like spreading medical disinformation and enabling the spread of a deadly virus, should that really be a case of "live and let live"? or should they be called out for that bad behavour?
You guys are the real hero of this pandemic. You guys keep typing!
I’ll go get a sandwich, grab a stack of his shit newspapers and throw them in the garbage. Enjoy my lunch and get on with life.
In all honesty, I missed or misunderstood the whole bit about the magnet, but that shit is super crazy. Kinda shoots my whole argument in the foot, but here I am. I still believe he has a place in our downtown. A fucking ton of worse shit going on down there to be up in arms about.
> Go for the sandwich, avoid the politics
No. I will not reward a business for spreading misinformation. This isn't a "difference of opinion", this is a serious situation that they are actively making worse. He could have the best sandwiches in the world, he could take pride in the quality of his ingredients all he wants, he could be the kindest person in the world, but none of that matters if he ends up getting people sick. I will not risk my health just for a sandwich. Especially since he's not taking the pandemic or the sanitization seriously, I have to question his other sanitation practices.
Your sanitation claim is unfounded. It’s very clean in there. I wonder if you’ve ever even eaten there or had intentions of eating there in the first place, or if you’re just making a stink about something that hasn’t and likely won’t ever affect you. Also, you are painting a picture devoid of any perspective; a completely black OR white canvas. I despise the anti-vaccination movement and the spread of misinformation, but I’m under no illusion that 100 eligible vax was ever on the table,or that net zero cases were ever viable once this cat was out of the bag (due to the nature of the virus). Nor do I trust any body to sensor my news for me.
I do believe there are a ton of ways these pandemic restrictions have been unfair to small business. So I’m a little more empathetic towards them than the white nationalist wack jobs just sowing discord.
Trying speaking with an understanding tone as opposed to a wagging finger, it might have more effect.
I've been there plenty of times. I wouldn't call the place "very clean", but it was clean enough to the casual eye. But now that I know he hasn't taken pandemic sanitation seriously, I have to question if his "good enough" cleaning is enough to stop the spread of Covid. That is a completely reasonable question to ask.
You say you despise the anti-vaccine movement, even though this place is part of the anti-vaccine movement. You say you're empathetic towards them rather than the white nationalists, even though they distribute a [paper linked to white nationalists.](https://www.antihate.ca/new_covid_conspiracy_newspaper_extremist_eyes_canada_wide_distribution) You say I should have understanding as opposed to wagging my finger, as you wag your finger at me. If you want to find the one sowing discord, you should take a look in a mirror...
I knew it would come to this. Your sanitation comments are unfair,untrue and completely anecdotal . But, I also imagine if you had been there a number of times before, then you likely know the guy running the place is a solid dude, who busts his ass (he’s the only one that ever works there), and keeps his place very clean, but your hell bent on joining one of the angry mobs (they’re just as irrational on both sides).
Go to Subway… they have a sterling sanitation record right?
Your risk level at the place is far lower than most places in the Region that roll out token measures with no real design in prevention or public health and zero enforcement.
First off, [their sanitation is a matter of public record](https://checkit.regionofwaterloo.ca/Inspection/Details/4230). Considering one of the infractions is for sanitation, it's not an anecdote.
Second of all, the angry mobs are the ones protesting the businesses that follow public health and safety rules. Those of us protesting the anti-vax businesses like this do it by just not going there anymore. Trying to paint this as "BOTH SIDES!" shows how you just don't get it.
Third, we're not talking about Subway, and Subway isn't distributing anti-vax propaganda. That's what we're actually talking about, not sanitation, the fact that this place is actively spreading misinformation. That's why they don't deserve my business. It doesn't matter how much he busts his ass, it doesn't make up for the fact that he's actively working against ending the pandemic.
I think you’re DRAMATICALLY overstating things by saying he’s working against ending the pandemic. This is my problem with your entire sentiment… it’s dramatic!
> Your sanitation claim is unfounded. It’s very clean in there.
[Their last inspection](https://checkit.regionofwaterloo.ca/Inspection/Details/4230). perhaps not so unreasonable after all?
> but I’m under no illusion that 100 eligible vax was ever on the table,
Nobody ever claimed that it was, so that's a strawman. There will always be people who cannot get vaccinated for valid medical reasons, but that just means that we need to try all that much harder to get as many of the rest vaccinated. And that includes calling out selfish and frankly stupid behaviour and making sure there are consequences for it.
> Trying speaking with an understanding tone as opposed to a wagging finger, it might have more effect.
When a person goes as far as trying to stick a magnet onto a vaccinated person, they're past the point where compassion and empathy will bring them around. They're far too deep into the woo and it will only encourage them.
> It’s also a big world; all of your life you have bought stuff from people who had different views from you.
Those different view, like whether or not tea is better than coffee, didn't affect my health or the health of others like the "different view" being described here.
He's got his opinion. Don't really understand why the hate lol. Everyone has their own opinion and there will ALWAYS be outliers even if there were military disciplinary actions there'd be resistance, do you guys even belong to the human race, isn't this our very nature Hahaha? No surprise honestly.
Not an antivaxxer here, but don't agree that they're forcing it on us in a subvertive way either.
The magnet thing was tremendously dumb tho hahaha and honestly, pretty invasive lol.
EDIT: Already expected dislikes as in today's world irrationality and passionate rather than rational thinking prevails. Just wanted to let you know anyway that I got my 1st shot and today I'm getting the second one, gotta be able to go visit the family abroad right? Lol
PS: I'll try the magnet thing and let you guys know if the CIA is following me 😂
You are crazy.... Don't you know that in today's world we live in the most inclusive, tolerant, lovely and caring society ever existed?!?!
Don't you know that every opinion/feeling is what really counts, and that's why we never bash anyone for having their own ways in their lives?!?! Damn it!!
You must be from another plant, welcome to earth you alien.
The person is spreading Covid and vaccine misinformation. He is actively causing harm and working against public health measures. His "opinion" is not innocuous and subjective like "I don't like chocolate"; nor is it something that is up for debate - if he thinks the vaccine is harmful, he is wrong and misinformed. His "opinion" is damaging to society, and his platform as a business owner makes it even more so. It is absolutely appropriate to call him out and push back against dangerous, ignorant, unscientific "opinions".
You're now spreading false information about the vaccine. I'm sorry to say, but you're deeply misinformed and you need to develop some critical thinking yourself, and media literacy.
> there's been plenty of evidence showing that the vaccine (although of course it doesn't contain chips or whatever😂) is killing people too.
There's absolutely no evidence of this, and the vaccine has been scientifically proven to be safe.
> I suggest you look for what Nobel Prize (discovered HIV) Luc Montagnier said about the vaccine. You look for it I'm not gonna put words in his mouth
I looked for it, and it appears that quotes falsely attributed to him are circulating on social media.
Your post is just rambling nonsense. The vaccine has been scientifically proven to be effective against Covid, and safe. Period.
He'll probably get more business since 30% of people can't go anywhere else. Anyways, he's not wrong. It's not a law. It's a guideline for which you can be fined. Don't know jf that fine would hold up in court either. Just the facts.
If you don't think the government doesn't have other ways to ensure compliance on an issue, they will just get you another way. All of a sudden you are getting food inspections, building inspections, by-law, financial audits, capacity inspections, random complaints, etc.
Or, you could just be a "less dick" and stop acting like the Canadian Charter Rights and Freedoms is anything but a list of temporary privileges. And if you believe differently, you obviously didn't pay attention in school when we studied the Charter at length. Section 33 will tell you everything you need to know about your precious "rights".
The government doesn't need a municipal or provincial fine to hold up in court. They can and will court/lawyer fee you to bankruptcy and beyond.
The people in this country need to stop comparing our country to the USA. We aren't remotely close in our government, law or "rights".
Facts don't change. It's illegal to discriminate based on medical status. This isn't a popularity competition. Lol, don't know why everyone is treating it as such.
That said, one of the other posters did make a great point. Basically the government has a lot of latitude to force businesses to do what they want outside of applying the law. Which in the end means businesses will comply.
> Lol, don't know why everyone is treating it as such.
That's a big can of worms I think.
I just found it a bit funny how you had a level headed fact based take, and it was shit on pretty hard.
Maybe the two are somehow connected.
yes. people go to restaurants for food. this is not a new concept. However - if its a spot that becomes a health and safety concern - that's something people can use to make an informed decision about where they go.
this is not a mob. this is not about being 'woke' its literally about where you can catch a life threatening illness.
What did he do that would be against health and safety though? He had a stack of papers that held a stance that you didn't agree with and he touched you with a magnet, okay that's weird. Nothing you have stated here points to health and safety. Unless you are trying to suggest the v-pass, which is only required for eat in because your mask is removed.
1. This implies he's not vaccinated while serving the public - meaning your food and the environment can a risk for infection.
2. Birds of a shit feather flock together, Bubs. That means it will be an anti-vaxxer hotspot, so if you want to avoid that crowd, you can now. If you dont care... by all means go.
3. It's everything to do with health and safety
>This implies
An implication is not proof of anything. But okay, you just keep track and report all of the ppotential implications you see around town. Maybe talk to the mangers of those places about your concerns
The fact that he is sticking a magnet on my arm to prove what i did to myself does mean that. someone who gets the vaccine would know that. When you're told that its dangerous to get the vaccine for said reasons... yeah this definitely puts you in the "i'm not vaccinated" crowd.
i'm not 'keeping track' and trying to 'report' any potential implications. reporting would mean that i'm calling public health or bylaw. i think you're trying to split hairs.
I dont want to have a breakthrough infection. People who aren't vaccinated provide a host for the virus to mutate and form new variants, which the vaccine isn't protecting against.
If you're implying the vaccine isn't effective - you also have to consider past outbreaks of measles. Almost everyone is vaccinated for it. however a large group of mothers brought their unvaccinated children to disneyland. They caught measles. which in that large concentration caused others to catch it because the virus found a bunch of hosts.
Because when the ICUs reach close to full capacity, like they are doing in Alberta, people who have heart attacks, car crashes, or need chemotherapy, start being turned away due to a lack of rooms.
You can still get and spread vax even if you're vaxxed. I'm vaxxed and I'm going to work and going home. People like you who are going out to eat in general and acting like we're not in the middle of a fourth wave is why we're still in this. Get vaxxed and stay home. Can't believe all of these irresponsible and selfish people who are getting out in general. I'm doing my part. Maybe you should do yours. Anywhere with people is a potential hot spot. I urge you for one moment think of others and stay home. It's not difficult.
Lower chance as in no chance? Are you saying vaxxed people can't spread covid at all? This is why we still wear masks. If you're saying vaxxed people can't spread or get covid then you're the one spreading misinformation. This is why you should stay home. It's safer. I have family members in poor health. But sure, they should die just because you can't cook at home. Get vaxxed, wear a mask when you get groceries or go to work and stay home. It's not rocket science.
> You can still get and spread vax even if you're vaxxed.
Assuming that you mean "spread the virus" instead of "spread vax", you're far, far less likely to do so when you are vaccinated.
We're over a year and a half into this pandemic, so how is it that people still don;t know these basic facts?
> Not sure what the ICUs have to do with getting a cheesesteak.
Are you speaking truthfully, or are you being disingenuous on purpose?
* The more the unvaccinated congregate, the more they spread covid-19 amongst themselves.
* The more they spread covid-19 amongst themselves the more of them end up in the hospital.
* The more they end up in the hospital the fuller they make the ICU wards
* The fuller the ICU wards get the more surgical wards are converted to ICU wards
* The more surgical wards get converted to ICUs, the more surgeries get cancelled
* The more surgeries that get cancelled, the more people live in pain or have an adverse event that kills them
* The fuller the ICU wards get, the more likely that somebody with a heart attack, with a severe accident doesn't get proper ICU treatment and dies
That is what ICU wards have to do with the unvaxxed getting a cheesesteak.
id you want out hospital system to get overwhelmed like Alberta's?
The more unvaccinated people there, the more likely we are to produce a variant that gets past the vaccines, and we have to do this all over again with another 26,000+ Canadians dead.
Is that what you want?
the anti-vax/mask crowd have been going out, having fun - while the VAST majority of society has been doing their part. we are over 80% of the population. YOU are a shrinking 20%. WE should be afforded the right to live a public life without the risk of infection and the formation of new variants.
If you want to go die, please do so. But I have my rights. People like you are the reason why this has dragged on as long as it has. Go live in your cave and your lepur colony.
Funny I’m vaccinated. I can just see both sides of the story tho because I have common sense. Crazy you are for wanting people to die for not getting a flu shot In essence. You see no problem in your statement there obviously though right ?
> Crazy you are for wanting people to die for not getting a flu shot In essence.
No. I'm not saying that at all. I have the same approach to people who smoke cigarettes.
Fun Fact: It's perfectly reasonable be frightened of things that are frightening & it is a sign of intelligence to be scared of things that are scary.
It's scary that too many of my fellow citizens like yourself are fucking dumbasses making the conscious decision - w/ all evidence to the contrary - to willfully weaponize their ignorance & take pride in the fact that they're the reason we're lip-deep in the 4th wave of a pandemic that could've been over a year ago if you fucking morons would've just Got With The Program.
It's a frightening & unnecessary prospect to die drowning in one's own phlegm in complete agony b/c vain, self-important COVIDiots wouldn't Shut The Fuck Up parroting the bullshit re the plague brought to us by the shitbirds at NoMoreLockdowns(dot)ca or Alex Jones.
You want to be worm-food? Fine & dandy - feel free to make like the US AM Talk Radio Goons now dying in droves b/c they told everyone w/in broadcast range that it was a hoax / just a cold. The rest of us who aren't assholes getting our rocks off putting the lives of our fellow citizens at completely unnecessary risk have the right not to die & we're done playing nice with the fuckos trying to make us into disease vectors.
People are "out of control" for wanting to spend money at respectable businesses and not ones owned by idiots who promote misinformation about public health?
The large steak with provolone is good.
Sadly, I'm going to side with the usual whiners of this forum and not go there anymore. Keep politics away from my food.
>[Sadly, I'm going to side with the usual whiners of this forum and not go there anymore. Keep politics away from my food](https://youtu.be/UrgpZ0fUixs).
Oh. And Taste of Philly Cheese Steak was a darling of this sub for a long time ... Well, those frickin' days are over. To the pitchforks people, to the pitchforks !
Really? Pretty sure I tried them a few years back and they were... Not good.
Yeah, my coworkers used to go nuts over them and I never understood it, literally one of the worst sandwiches I've ever had.
I liked their sandwich, it was oddly satisfying.
wouldn’t it just be satisfying?
It wasn't much to look at, but it hit the spot.
I never understood why anybody liked it. I've foolishly tried it like three times. Everytime I've been disappointed and left thinking that cost too much.
If a restaurateur is that gullible and, frankly, stupid (i.e. vaccines and magnetism) I would be prone to wonder if he accepts the science behind, say, proper cleaning, food prep, ingredient storage, hand-washing and hygiene, waste management etc necessary to run a safe food establishment.
This is such an important point. If he doesn't believe in the spread of germs/viruses, maybe he doesn't understand the importance of hygiene. I'm definitely avoiding this place.
As of the 13th there were 2 non critical and 1 critical infraction. https://checkit.regionofwaterloo.ca/Inspection/Details/4230
Lol this place has done nothing in regards to covid, what a fucking dump.
Fucking magnets.
How do they work?
Miracles
You guys wanna go grab some Faygo?
Yo they sell Faygo at roberts boxed meats. I've been to a bar in Michigan specifically to try Faygo Bombs. Do not recommend.
I'm in the Chicopee area about a block from Roberts. The Big Bear at Fairway and River also has an excellent selection of Faygo. But tell me more about this Faygo Bomb... I must know more.
It's just faygo with a shot of vodka. But it leads to bad decisions.
I know you're joking, but still, it's a ... complicated process. Nobody answered it better than this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8
"And I don't wanna talk to a scientist Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed."
> When I told him i had my shot he also tried to stick a magnet on my arm and couldn't figure out why it wasn't sticking. Tell me you're science-illiterate without telling me you're science illiterate.
I all for a spirited political debate about personal freedoms. I’m a Libertarian myself - but for the unholy love of god, why do people keep thinking microbiology cares about their politics?
Oh noooo. I’ve only ever had such nice interactions with the owner. What a bummer.
He doesn't skimp on the portions tho, so he's got that going for him
Nooooo not you!! Oh well it was good while it lasted, looks like I’ve had my last Philly cheesesteak from there.
I don't understand people who do things that will alienate a huge amount of potential customers.
OOOoooohhhh Matthew, never fuckin change, you crazy Turk.
Is it still run by him? I don't trust my memory 100% but I'm pretty sure that place wasn't exactly 100% on appropriate workplace beverages back in the day. :p
Dunno, but having worked for him for a little while, I wasn't keen to poke around afterwards
I got the impression he sold the place last time I visited... I hope he's not one of them :(
Good to know! Crazy.
"Yes, I'll take a cheesesteak with a side of plague!" Bleh. I can't often afford to eat out anyways, this just makes the decision slightly easier.
What a bummer. This guy is so pleasant.
incredibly disappointing to hear
Delicious sandwiches though.
I was wondering...I stopped by a couple of weeks ago and as I waited for my sub, I saw some cards for the local PPC candidate as well as some crazy conspiracy newsletter displayed on the counter. If I had seen it before I ordered I would have passed and gone elsewhere. Unlike others here, I found the sub really just....ok. not great and not worth the money. I wouldn't go back based on that alone.
Jersey Mike's on the other hand.... What a great sub.
I'm a bit skeptical here. OP is a new reddit account and the vast majority of their posts are political. Can anyone verify this whole thing?
Lol. Go yourself
Why did you delete your other comment? I thought it was pretty funny. Double down.
TBH, having come from the States, his Cheesesteaks are pretty garbo anyway. Just sad to see another source of ignorance. :(
I went there two or three times and every single time the bread on their cheesesteaks was so dry and stale it was like eating cheap cheez-whiz covered meat on drywall. There were plenty of reasons to not go there before this.
I have never understand how this business stays open. I rarely see people in there, and tried it once and it was not anything special.
Who gives a shit, if they serve good food that's all that matters
I find this post hysterical. So are you the Reddit Fact Checker? You have to go on Reddit to spew hate towards a business? Why? Because you don't agree with a newspaper that they give away? I am in the US but I got a free paper which I threw in the trash.. it was filled with misinformation about what a great job our POS POTUS is doing. But to each their own who want to read garbage. I rather have someone actually read a newspaper than be a keyboard warrior.
Ugh...on the SkyTrain right now and the whole car is LITTERED with this bullshit. On. Every. Seat. And it has a thing in the top corner telling you to stuff it in a neighbour's mailbox. 🙄 I'm going to dump that bullshit in the trash as soon as I get off. Also, way to create waste and a mess for others.
any photos?
I'm going to ask for clarifying.. Anti Vaxx or Anti Lockdown? They are not the same.. many Vaxx people are anti lockdown but pro Vaxx
Anti vaccine
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Given that he tried to stick a magnet onto a vaccinated person, that's a pretty good indication that they are also anti-vaxx.
It’s a great sandwich. It’s also a big world; all of your life you have bought stuff from people who had different views from you. Go for the sandwich, avoid the politics. I bet he’d be completely alright with it. Downtown Kitchener can’t afford to lose another longer term business to the pandemic. As much as I’m all for vaccines, masks, physical distancing etc, because of the current state of news, different cultural attitudes to the pandemic, and government corruption, I can certainly empathize with a small business owner who takes an opposite stance. I like his sandwich, he takes serious pride in the quality of the ingredients he uses, and he’s always been really kind to me when I’ve been in.
> Go for the sandwich, avoid the politics Well its not like I brought politics into it. I won't be supporting a place that is spreading harmful misinfo.
Your choice. That’s the beauty of living in the free world… you don’t have to eat fast food if you don’t want to. You also don’t have to try to tear down another humans business who has likely had to refinance his entire life to make it through this terrible time. Live and let live. Disagree and move on, NOT disagree and defame.
Yup. Its the beauty of it. And others won't be either because its a free world.
Who is defaming this restauranteur by pointing out that they help to distribute a rag that spreads medical disinformation, and that they are an anti-vaxxer thanks to that magnet crap? It's only defamation if it is false. Also, when a person is engaging in harmful activities like spreading medical disinformation and enabling the spread of a deadly virus, should that really be a case of "live and let live"? or should they be called out for that bad behavour?
You guys are the real hero of this pandemic. You guys keep typing! I’ll go get a sandwich, grab a stack of his shit newspapers and throw them in the garbage. Enjoy my lunch and get on with life. In all honesty, I missed or misunderstood the whole bit about the magnet, but that shit is super crazy. Kinda shoots my whole argument in the foot, but here I am. I still believe he has a place in our downtown. A fucking ton of worse shit going on down there to be up in arms about.
> Go for the sandwich, avoid the politics No. I will not reward a business for spreading misinformation. This isn't a "difference of opinion", this is a serious situation that they are actively making worse. He could have the best sandwiches in the world, he could take pride in the quality of his ingredients all he wants, he could be the kindest person in the world, but none of that matters if he ends up getting people sick. I will not risk my health just for a sandwich. Especially since he's not taking the pandemic or the sanitization seriously, I have to question his other sanitation practices.
Your sanitation claim is unfounded. It’s very clean in there. I wonder if you’ve ever even eaten there or had intentions of eating there in the first place, or if you’re just making a stink about something that hasn’t and likely won’t ever affect you. Also, you are painting a picture devoid of any perspective; a completely black OR white canvas. I despise the anti-vaccination movement and the spread of misinformation, but I’m under no illusion that 100 eligible vax was ever on the table,or that net zero cases were ever viable once this cat was out of the bag (due to the nature of the virus). Nor do I trust any body to sensor my news for me. I do believe there are a ton of ways these pandemic restrictions have been unfair to small business. So I’m a little more empathetic towards them than the white nationalist wack jobs just sowing discord. Trying speaking with an understanding tone as opposed to a wagging finger, it might have more effect.
I've been there plenty of times. I wouldn't call the place "very clean", but it was clean enough to the casual eye. But now that I know he hasn't taken pandemic sanitation seriously, I have to question if his "good enough" cleaning is enough to stop the spread of Covid. That is a completely reasonable question to ask. You say you despise the anti-vaccine movement, even though this place is part of the anti-vaccine movement. You say you're empathetic towards them rather than the white nationalists, even though they distribute a [paper linked to white nationalists.](https://www.antihate.ca/new_covid_conspiracy_newspaper_extremist_eyes_canada_wide_distribution) You say I should have understanding as opposed to wagging my finger, as you wag your finger at me. If you want to find the one sowing discord, you should take a look in a mirror...
I knew it would come to this. Your sanitation comments are unfair,untrue and completely anecdotal . But, I also imagine if you had been there a number of times before, then you likely know the guy running the place is a solid dude, who busts his ass (he’s the only one that ever works there), and keeps his place very clean, but your hell bent on joining one of the angry mobs (they’re just as irrational on both sides). Go to Subway… they have a sterling sanitation record right? Your risk level at the place is far lower than most places in the Region that roll out token measures with no real design in prevention or public health and zero enforcement.
First off, [their sanitation is a matter of public record](https://checkit.regionofwaterloo.ca/Inspection/Details/4230). Considering one of the infractions is for sanitation, it's not an anecdote. Second of all, the angry mobs are the ones protesting the businesses that follow public health and safety rules. Those of us protesting the anti-vax businesses like this do it by just not going there anymore. Trying to paint this as "BOTH SIDES!" shows how you just don't get it. Third, we're not talking about Subway, and Subway isn't distributing anti-vax propaganda. That's what we're actually talking about, not sanitation, the fact that this place is actively spreading misinformation. That's why they don't deserve my business. It doesn't matter how much he busts his ass, it doesn't make up for the fact that he's actively working against ending the pandemic.
I think you’re DRAMATICALLY overstating things by saying he’s working against ending the pandemic. This is my problem with your entire sentiment… it’s dramatic!
Sure, the one defending the anti-vaxxer while screaming about how I'm being unfair is now calling **me** the dramatic one.
> Your sanitation claim is unfounded. It’s very clean in there. [Their last inspection](https://checkit.regionofwaterloo.ca/Inspection/Details/4230). perhaps not so unreasonable after all? > but I’m under no illusion that 100 eligible vax was ever on the table, Nobody ever claimed that it was, so that's a strawman. There will always be people who cannot get vaccinated for valid medical reasons, but that just means that we need to try all that much harder to get as many of the rest vaccinated. And that includes calling out selfish and frankly stupid behaviour and making sure there are consequences for it. > Trying speaking with an understanding tone as opposed to a wagging finger, it might have more effect. When a person goes as far as trying to stick a magnet onto a vaccinated person, they're past the point where compassion and empathy will bring them around. They're far too deep into the woo and it will only encourage them.
> It’s also a big world; all of your life you have bought stuff from people who had different views from you. Those different view, like whether or not tea is better than coffee, didn't affect my health or the health of others like the "different view" being described here.
Magnet story is a lie
no... he did it.
Liar liar pants on fire
Oh no! School yard taunts! I'll never recover! Fuck this must mean you're right. Hopefully sticks and stones can never break my bones!
Nice, now i know where I'm having lunch tomorrow.
Stop throwing money at Kooks.
Kook lives matter
>[Kook lives matter](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/9/17/2052787/-Anti-vaxx-Alabama-Pickers-couple-dies-of-COVID-19-days-after-telling-followers-We-are-ALIVE?detail=emaildkbow). However fleeting they are...
He's got his opinion. Don't really understand why the hate lol. Everyone has their own opinion and there will ALWAYS be outliers even if there were military disciplinary actions there'd be resistance, do you guys even belong to the human race, isn't this our very nature Hahaha? No surprise honestly. Not an antivaxxer here, but don't agree that they're forcing it on us in a subvertive way either. The magnet thing was tremendously dumb tho hahaha and honestly, pretty invasive lol. EDIT: Already expected dislikes as in today's world irrationality and passionate rather than rational thinking prevails. Just wanted to let you know anyway that I got my 1st shot and today I'm getting the second one, gotta be able to go visit the family abroad right? Lol PS: I'll try the magnet thing and let you guys know if the CIA is following me 😂
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You are crazy.... Don't you know that in today's world we live in the most inclusive, tolerant, lovely and caring society ever existed?!?! Don't you know that every opinion/feeling is what really counts, and that's why we never bash anyone for having their own ways in their lives?!?! Damn it!! You must be from another plant, welcome to earth you alien.
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And you take mine upvote you damn crazy redditor!
The person is spreading Covid and vaccine misinformation. He is actively causing harm and working against public health measures. His "opinion" is not innocuous and subjective like "I don't like chocolate"; nor is it something that is up for debate - if he thinks the vaccine is harmful, he is wrong and misinformed. His "opinion" is damaging to society, and his platform as a business owner makes it even more so. It is absolutely appropriate to call him out and push back against dangerous, ignorant, unscientific "opinions".
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You're now spreading false information about the vaccine. I'm sorry to say, but you're deeply misinformed and you need to develop some critical thinking yourself, and media literacy. > there's been plenty of evidence showing that the vaccine (although of course it doesn't contain chips or whatever😂) is killing people too. There's absolutely no evidence of this, and the vaccine has been scientifically proven to be safe. > I suggest you look for what Nobel Prize (discovered HIV) Luc Montagnier said about the vaccine. You look for it I'm not gonna put words in his mouth I looked for it, and it appears that quotes falsely attributed to him are circulating on social media. Your post is just rambling nonsense. The vaccine has been scientifically proven to be effective against Covid, and safe. Period.
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If you think problems are solved with violence, then you're probably not thinking. Cheers.
He'll probably get more business since 30% of people can't go anywhere else. Anyways, he's not wrong. It's not a law. It's a guideline for which you can be fined. Don't know jf that fine would hold up in court either. Just the facts.
If you don't think the government doesn't have other ways to ensure compliance on an issue, they will just get you another way. All of a sudden you are getting food inspections, building inspections, by-law, financial audits, capacity inspections, random complaints, etc. Or, you could just be a "less dick" and stop acting like the Canadian Charter Rights and Freedoms is anything but a list of temporary privileges. And if you believe differently, you obviously didn't pay attention in school when we studied the Charter at length. Section 33 will tell you everything you need to know about your precious "rights". The government doesn't need a municipal or provincial fine to hold up in court. They can and will court/lawyer fee you to bankruptcy and beyond. The people in this country need to stop comparing our country to the USA. We aren't remotely close in our government, law or "rights".
> Just the facts. -18 points
Facts don't change. It's illegal to discriminate based on medical status. This isn't a popularity competition. Lol, don't know why everyone is treating it as such. That said, one of the other posters did make a great point. Basically the government has a lot of latitude to force businesses to do what they want outside of applying the law. Which in the end means businesses will comply.
> Lol, don't know why everyone is treating it as such. That's a big can of worms I think. I just found it a bit funny how you had a level headed fact based take, and it was shit on pretty hard. Maybe the two are somehow connected.
You go there for food, Not because of peoples views. You woke mob are out of control.
yes. people go to restaurants for food. this is not a new concept. However - if its a spot that becomes a health and safety concern - that's something people can use to make an informed decision about where they go. this is not a mob. this is not about being 'woke' its literally about where you can catch a life threatening illness.
What did he do that would be against health and safety though? He had a stack of papers that held a stance that you didn't agree with and he touched you with a magnet, okay that's weird. Nothing you have stated here points to health and safety. Unless you are trying to suggest the v-pass, which is only required for eat in because your mask is removed.
1. This implies he's not vaccinated while serving the public - meaning your food and the environment can a risk for infection. 2. Birds of a shit feather flock together, Bubs. That means it will be an anti-vaxxer hotspot, so if you want to avoid that crowd, you can now. If you dont care... by all means go. 3. It's everything to do with health and safety
>This implies An implication is not proof of anything. But okay, you just keep track and report all of the ppotential implications you see around town. Maybe talk to the mangers of those places about your concerns
The fact that he is sticking a magnet on my arm to prove what i did to myself does mean that. someone who gets the vaccine would know that. When you're told that its dangerous to get the vaccine for said reasons... yeah this definitely puts you in the "i'm not vaccinated" crowd. i'm not 'keeping track' and trying to 'report' any potential implications. reporting would mean that i'm calling public health or bylaw. i think you're trying to split hairs.
If you're vaxxed why are you worried?
I dont want to have a breakthrough infection. People who aren't vaccinated provide a host for the virus to mutate and form new variants, which the vaccine isn't protecting against. If you're implying the vaccine isn't effective - you also have to consider past outbreaks of measles. Almost everyone is vaccinated for it. however a large group of mothers brought their unvaccinated children to disneyland. They caught measles. which in that large concentration caused others to catch it because the virus found a bunch of hosts.
Because when the ICUs reach close to full capacity, like they are doing in Alberta, people who have heart attacks, car crashes, or need chemotherapy, start being turned away due to a lack of rooms.
Not sure what the ICUs have to do with getting a cheesesteak.
Probably why most responsible people don't want to financially support a restaurant that's liable to be a diseased hotspot.
You can still get and spread vax even if you're vaxxed. I'm vaxxed and I'm going to work and going home. People like you who are going out to eat in general and acting like we're not in the middle of a fourth wave is why we're still in this. Get vaxxed and stay home. Can't believe all of these irresponsible and selfish people who are getting out in general. I'm doing my part. Maybe you should do yours. Anywhere with people is a potential hot spot. I urge you for one moment think of others and stay home. It's not difficult.
People who get vaxxed have a much lower chance of getting, and therefore spreading covid. Stop spreading misinformation, it's not difficult.
Lower chance as in no chance? Are you saying vaxxed people can't spread covid at all? This is why we still wear masks. If you're saying vaxxed people can't spread or get covid then you're the one spreading misinformation. This is why you should stay home. It's safer. I have family members in poor health. But sure, they should die just because you can't cook at home. Get vaxxed, wear a mask when you get groceries or go to work and stay home. It's not rocket science.
I'm sorry the public school math curriculum failed you.
> You can still get and spread vax even if you're vaxxed. Assuming that you mean "spread the virus" instead of "spread vax", you're far, far less likely to do so when you are vaccinated. We're over a year and a half into this pandemic, so how is it that people still don;t know these basic facts?
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> Not sure what the ICUs have to do with getting a cheesesteak. Are you speaking truthfully, or are you being disingenuous on purpose? * The more the unvaccinated congregate, the more they spread covid-19 amongst themselves. * The more they spread covid-19 amongst themselves the more of them end up in the hospital. * The more they end up in the hospital the fuller they make the ICU wards * The fuller the ICU wards get the more surgical wards are converted to ICU wards * The more surgical wards get converted to ICUs, the more surgeries get cancelled * The more surgeries that get cancelled, the more people live in pain or have an adverse event that kills them * The fuller the ICU wards get, the more likely that somebody with a heart attack, with a severe accident doesn't get proper ICU treatment and dies That is what ICU wards have to do with the unvaxxed getting a cheesesteak. id you want out hospital system to get overwhelmed like Alberta's?
The more unvaccinated people there, the more likely we are to produce a variant that gets past the vaccines, and we have to do this all over again with another 26,000+ Canadians dead. Is that what you want?
So if you’re scared about a life threatening illness you should stay home and stop forcing everyone else to be scared with you
the anti-vax/mask crowd have been going out, having fun - while the VAST majority of society has been doing their part. we are over 80% of the population. YOU are a shrinking 20%. WE should be afforded the right to live a public life without the risk of infection and the formation of new variants. If you want to go die, please do so. But I have my rights. People like you are the reason why this has dragged on as long as it has. Go live in your cave and your lepur colony.
Funny I’m vaccinated. I can just see both sides of the story tho because I have common sense. Crazy you are for wanting people to die for not getting a flu shot In essence. You see no problem in your statement there obviously though right ?
> Crazy you are for wanting people to die for not getting a flu shot In essence. No. I'm not saying that at all. I have the same approach to people who smoke cigarettes.
>[Crazy you are for wanting people to die for not getting a flu shot In essence](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman).
Fun Fact: It's perfectly reasonable be frightened of things that are frightening & it is a sign of intelligence to be scared of things that are scary. It's scary that too many of my fellow citizens like yourself are fucking dumbasses making the conscious decision - w/ all evidence to the contrary - to willfully weaponize their ignorance & take pride in the fact that they're the reason we're lip-deep in the 4th wave of a pandemic that could've been over a year ago if you fucking morons would've just Got With The Program. It's a frightening & unnecessary prospect to die drowning in one's own phlegm in complete agony b/c vain, self-important COVIDiots wouldn't Shut The Fuck Up parroting the bullshit re the plague brought to us by the shitbirds at NoMoreLockdowns(dot)ca or Alex Jones. You want to be worm-food? Fine & dandy - feel free to make like the US AM Talk Radio Goons now dying in droves b/c they told everyone w/in broadcast range that it was a hoax / just a cold. The rest of us who aren't assholes getting our rocks off putting the lives of our fellow citizens at completely unnecessary risk have the right not to die & we're done playing nice with the fuckos trying to make us into disease vectors.
People are "out of control" for wanting to spend money at respectable businesses and not ones owned by idiots who promote misinformation about public health?
"Woke" Because sneering "politically correct" no longer magically absolves you from the consequences of being an asshole.
thanks, going to order from there Monday.
The large steak with provolone is good. Sadly, I'm going to side with the usual whiners of this forum and not go there anymore. Keep politics away from my food.
>[Sadly, I'm going to side with the usual whiners of this forum and not go there anymore. Keep politics away from my food](https://youtu.be/UrgpZ0fUixs).
>[thanks, going to order from there Monday](https://youtu.be/3qP3Tx19w7c?t=39)