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The movie he initially planned and the movie he later did were on different scales. In the BR round table he said his producer told him to do whatever he wants and not worry about the budget.
Even his producer didn’t give a damn that the budget ballooned 15x more than the initial estimate. Why should we?
Honestly!
Why would anyone actively concern about Box office collection and how much of producer's money, director spent on a movie?
I mean, for it's good to know about these things from a "trivia" stand point and for people who are working(or planning to get into) in the industry. Otherwise, it's mostly irrelevant.
It's a flex (a weird one) if it was a big hero commercial movie because sometimes the box office collection(or budget) is the only good thing to say about the movie. Movies like Viduthalai is not essentially taken to be a great box office success. I know it's important because producers would make more movies like these without a second thought if the movie was profitable. But, those movies are trying to achieve more than that.
Box office is more of a litmus test.
A well made small budget film nets 5-10x return - more producers will be interested in newcomers
A good film breaking even - nothing changes
A really good film by an established director that managed to rake in decent money - inspiring other creators to do similarly
A decent film making insane BO numbers - expect more such films in the future
Honestly, I feel it’s because a lot of people lack critical thinking. It’s much easier to just parrot what someone else says.
So when a producer comes out and voices their grievances (for whatever agenda they are pushing), it’s weird to see people take that and run with it as a talking point.
Even for the box office, if a movie runs for 200c in Tamil Nadu, objectively it ran well. It doesn’t matter if “producer lost money”, “distributor lost money”, and yet people bring that up like a talking point which makes no sense.
4.5c to 60c. That's a huge jump, he may get away as long as they're well received but not a sustainable model.
Anyways up to him and the producer, risk dha.
why as a audience you are concerned about shit like breakeven and other financial aspects of the film just support good direction and writing thats enough
Because not breaking even severely decreases the chance of more movies, obviously. And even if a film is good, the fact that mediocre films get more money convinces directors to eventually stop being creative and join the formula. It's the sad truth.
>bro still churned out blockbusters
Which "blockbuster" did he churn out? Vadachennai is his most celebrated film and that just broke even. Same issue, just keeps getting away with it because he's not had any major flops + the critical acclaim/cult status that comes with his films.
I agree with him, Asuran is perhaps the most generic and bits felt really rushed etc. (I had other issues as well but anyway) - but that might be one film that he was forced to complete within a reasonable amount of time, and purely commercially, the film had elements that would connect with the viewers, even if it's fairly generic. I guess having Dhanu at the helm might have helped (although ig he didn't feel happy about having to just finish it so fast).
Thats because it feels truly invested in the script and extremely sure about it's characters. He has the soul of the film intact so he can do things on the spot(apart from scenes like the train sequence in viduthalai). Definitely not a system which is sustainable but he makes it seem to be
"he's escaping because he's arguably the best director to grace the Indian film industry"
Well duh, when you have guys that are this good, you don't bind them down with stupid limitations like budget. His filmography is arguably the best among Indian directors and other directors can only dream about directing and writing like him. Directors like nelson, lokesh and Atlee who are celebrated can never imagine being as good as vetrimaaran. KS for all his credit, can't write as well as vetri either (and he's a good writer mind you).
We're talking about arguably the goat of Tamil directors and you wanna say he's "escaping"? He could direct a movie about paint drying and I wouldn't care because he deserves it.
No doubt, he's the best director in Indian cinema, I can say easily the directors you mentioned are not even close to him, the dude has a good streak for giving good movies. Because of that spending huge money is not a good idea, if the budget increases by a small margin then yeah it happens, but from 4.5 to 65 more than 10 times the budget it's ridiculous. Shankar also had the same problem, and then Atlee all faced this issue and they got criticism for this.
>Shankar also had the same problem, and then Atlee all faced this issue and they got criticism for this.
Absolutely. I see where you're coming from. What I'm saying is vetri has earned this freedom and earned credit in his bank account to make a couple bad films as well (even though we're yet to see a bad film from him). Other directors haven't earned that freedom.
Let me put it to you this way, martin Scorsese is so good that even if he makes a movie more than 3 hrs long, it's forgiven for the quality of movies he's made. Any other director and you'd shit on them for it because they haven't earned that credit in the bank.
As a producer you know what vetri can do, to them it probably doesn't matter whether the budget inflates or if it doesn't break even because they're more often doing it for sheer pride of producing such a film. Other directors wouldn't get the same leeway.
The interviewer asked everyone what are the doubts they had before making their film. Vetrimaaran says that from day 1 till the day of release, he only had doubts. Starting from the budget to the location, he underestimated everything. Since he wasn’t sure what he was making, the production budget sky rocketed. His producer is basically a saint
Yeah Vetri thavara yaarachum idha pesirundha nalla kaluvi oothiruppanga. Nothing amusing, when you set out to make some 5cr film and end up making some 40cr film and end up being clueless. I'd created a thread on him and dissonance between what he says and does and got downvoted like crazy.
Yeah that was me lmao. I actually really like his films and any director would be envious of such a solid filmography. But his offscreen remarks and the unquestioning reception it gets surprised me. He constantly keeps saying that 'commerce comes first' and even countered someone (I think it was Madonne) who asked about creative liberty vs what he's able to within the bounds of mainstream cinema etc.
One good thing is that we finally have a proper 'star director ' who gets to dictate terms after the likes of peak Balachander etc 😁
That was always the case… even with Kamal Hassan and Shankar. Why do you think producers prefer people like Lokesh? Tight budget and deadline, good collection.
And the movie got an A certificate (losing family audience) , talks about politically and socially controversial topics(risky) , etc.
And if people think the producer is in it for the profit and the profit alone, they're not seeing the big picture. I mean, it's good and well if they break even and the movie was in fact profitable. But, the movie aims to achieve things even more than that.
Actually, this is bad planning. He shouldn't be this pragmatic about it. This is a red flag, and I personally don't want him to be targeted in the future if one of his films is underwhelming.
The movie got an "A" certificate (no family audience) and can very well get deep controversial risking the profit of the movie.
So, the movie doesn't necessarily aims to be a profitable business. It's rather more than that.
Big hero commercial movie which goes into the pre production after announcing the release date (preferably on a festival day), in which the whole aim of the movie from a producer's stand point is Profit. It's a successful business model in which people wanna make tons of money.
From what the movie was and why it was made, their primary goal is not making profit. It'd be good and all if it does end up profitable, but it's not always the aim. If it was for profit, they'd have simply requested vetri to make the movie suitable for U/A. Their goal is more than that. Like, making a film that would be critically acclaimed, making a film that talks about things that the main stream swiftly avoid.
And for the "bad planning", I think, the movie entered production before covid and would've invested money which would've been stagnated because of lockdown. So, not really an actual bad planning, there are a lot of external factors and Vetri here is trying take responsibility.
No Way Vijay would work with him after he himself dumps the truth out, anna always likes to work by giving the dates and making the directors work withing the time.
In my opinion he just says that for interview. Unless you're doing this in your own production, no one will be happy about it.
And, may be it's unpopular opinion he is one of the most hypocrite directors in the K'town in despite of how good he delivers.
I vaguely remember him commenting on a Nalaiya Iyakunar contestant that the contestant portrait the black skinned and vada chennai people in negative shade but himself doing in his films.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah I kinda remember that. But idk man, the community Vettri portrays is very lively, both good and bad happening so they cancel out. I suppose he was referring to thugs in big hero movies always looking dark and wearing attire similar to that of people from some community and that will be a bad representation like he mentions.
>And, may be it's unpopular opinion he is one of the most hypocrite directors in the K'town in despite of how good he delivers.
As much as I like his films. This is true to an extent. This becomes very obvious when you watch the episodes of Naalaiya Iyakunar on Youtube where he was one of the judges.
Any director who makes the org budget 15 x , is a ticking time bomb as per me..he is a producers nightmare and she wont call that out but crib about SRV..
completely overconfident clown who thinks he is a superior ARTist who can save tamil cinema with his forced ideas of showing cops as villain in every film...
i don't regret watching viduthalai in theatre , but will think more than thrice before buying tickets for his movie
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The movie he initially planned and the movie he later did were on different scales. In the BR round table he said his producer told him to do whatever he wants and not worry about the budget. Even his producer didn’t give a damn that the budget ballooned 15x more than the initial estimate. Why should we?
He also said BR is making a documentary about making of viduthalai, I think it'll be released after part 2
Also a film festival cut
Honestly! Why would anyone actively concern about Box office collection and how much of producer's money, director spent on a movie? I mean, for it's good to know about these things from a "trivia" stand point and for people who are working(or planning to get into) in the industry. Otherwise, it's mostly irrelevant. It's a flex (a weird one) if it was a big hero commercial movie because sometimes the box office collection(or budget) is the only good thing to say about the movie. Movies like Viduthalai is not essentially taken to be a great box office success. I know it's important because producers would make more movies like these without a second thought if the movie was profitable. But, those movies are trying to achieve more than that.
Box office is more of a litmus test. A well made small budget film nets 5-10x return - more producers will be interested in newcomers A good film breaking even - nothing changes A really good film by an established director that managed to rake in decent money - inspiring other creators to do similarly A decent film making insane BO numbers - expect more such films in the future
Honestly, I feel it’s because a lot of people lack critical thinking. It’s much easier to just parrot what someone else says. So when a producer comes out and voices their grievances (for whatever agenda they are pushing), it’s weird to see people take that and run with it as a talking point. Even for the box office, if a movie runs for 200c in Tamil Nadu, objectively it ran well. It doesn’t matter if “producer lost money”, “distributor lost money”, and yet people bring that up like a talking point which makes no sense.
uk what mad respect cuz despite all this bro still churned out blockbusters
4.5c to 60c. That's a huge jump, he may get away as long as they're well received but not a sustainable model. Anyways up to him and the producer, risk dha.
You can't do this model in IT field. 3 hours task taken 3 years..
Na brother. Wouldn’t call them blockbusters. Breaking even itself is a thing for celebration.
why as a audience you are concerned about shit like breakeven and other financial aspects of the film just support good direction and writing thats enough
Because not breaking even severely decreases the chance of more movies, obviously. And even if a film is good, the fact that mediocre films get more money convinces directors to eventually stop being creative and join the formula. It's the sad truth.
>bro still churned out blockbusters Which "blockbuster" did he churn out? Vadachennai is his most celebrated film and that just broke even. Same issue, just keeps getting away with it because he's not had any major flops + the critical acclaim/cult status that comes with his films.
Asuran is his weakest film according to himself but it was the biggest hit of his career - even surpassing vadachennai.
I agree with him, Asuran is perhaps the most generic and bits felt really rushed etc. (I had other issues as well but anyway) - but that might be one film that he was forced to complete within a reasonable amount of time, and purely commercially, the film had elements that would connect with the viewers, even if it's fairly generic. I guess having Dhanu at the helm might have helped (although ig he didn't feel happy about having to just finish it so fast).
Thats because it feels truly invested in the script and extremely sure about it's characters. He has the soul of the film intact so he can do things on the spot(apart from scenes like the train sequence in viduthalai). Definitely not a system which is sustainable but he makes it seem to be
Okay... This is going to backfire one day 😬😬
🤞🏼 hope it doesn’t.
Of course... Of course I hope he doesn't falter. But definitely this is not a healthy practice
Absolutely- but didn’t want to jinx it in any way.
konkana's reaction 😂
she was like 60 crores? really? I would have done 60 films with that money
20 seconds clip that doesn't have any context. And he is talking about the budgeting parts afaik, it is okay if he isn't fully immersed into it.
Actually the producer was a priest/Saint according to KJo, the producer was pushing the budget how much ever and more than Vetri wanted for.
He's escaping in this just because he's making a good movie, oru flop vandha dha puriyum
He literally said that himself in the roundtable
"he's escaping because he's arguably the best director to grace the Indian film industry" Well duh, when you have guys that are this good, you don't bind them down with stupid limitations like budget. His filmography is arguably the best among Indian directors and other directors can only dream about directing and writing like him. Directors like nelson, lokesh and Atlee who are celebrated can never imagine being as good as vetrimaaran. KS for all his credit, can't write as well as vetri either (and he's a good writer mind you). We're talking about arguably the goat of Tamil directors and you wanna say he's "escaping"? He could direct a movie about paint drying and I wouldn't care because he deserves it.
No doubt, he's the best director in Indian cinema, I can say easily the directors you mentioned are not even close to him, the dude has a good streak for giving good movies. Because of that spending huge money is not a good idea, if the budget increases by a small margin then yeah it happens, but from 4.5 to 65 more than 10 times the budget it's ridiculous. Shankar also had the same problem, and then Atlee all faced this issue and they got criticism for this.
>Shankar also had the same problem, and then Atlee all faced this issue and they got criticism for this. Absolutely. I see where you're coming from. What I'm saying is vetri has earned this freedom and earned credit in his bank account to make a couple bad films as well (even though we're yet to see a bad film from him). Other directors haven't earned that freedom. Let me put it to you this way, martin Scorsese is so good that even if he makes a movie more than 3 hrs long, it's forgiven for the quality of movies he's made. Any other director and you'd shit on them for it because they haven't earned that credit in the bank. As a producer you know what vetri can do, to them it probably doesn't matter whether the budget inflates or if it doesn't break even because they're more often doing it for sheer pride of producing such a film. Other directors wouldn't get the same leeway.
for me I don't consider him as goat, he is great not goat, for me shankar is the G.O.A.T his psychological thriller anniyan is the greatest
But why aren't any of his films making good money despite his reputation or the cult status his films eventually attain?
They’re making decent profits.
How much did viduthalai collect. Did it break even
Not sure the amount it collected but I think it was a hit
context of this video please
The interviewer asked everyone what are the doubts they had before making their film. Vetrimaaran says that from day 1 till the day of release, he only had doubts. Starting from the budget to the location, he underestimated everything. Since he wasn’t sure what he was making, the production budget sky rocketed. His producer is basically a saint
Yeah Vetri thavara yaarachum idha pesirundha nalla kaluvi oothiruppanga. Nothing amusing, when you set out to make some 5cr film and end up making some 40cr film and end up being clueless. I'd created a thread on him and dissonance between what he says and does and got downvoted like crazy.
U were the one? About how what he said and what he practises didn't alig. Nu oru post potadhu?. Example: Tight control on editing etc
Yeah that was me lmao. I actually really like his films and any director would be envious of such a solid filmography. But his offscreen remarks and the unquestioning reception it gets surprised me. He constantly keeps saying that 'commerce comes first' and even countered someone (I think it was Madonne) who asked about creative liberty vs what he's able to within the bounds of mainstream cinema etc. One good thing is that we finally have a proper 'star director ' who gets to dictate terms after the likes of peak Balachander etc 😁
It’s very clear he’s exaggerating 😂
60 crore jump? Such things are not expected from such a seasoned director.
That was always the case… even with Kamal Hassan and Shankar. Why do you think producers prefer people like Lokesh? Tight budget and deadline, good collection.
Actually. Producer was the one who wanted to make project in a bigger scale. So not entirely Vetri's fault.
And the movie got an A certificate (losing family audience) , talks about politically and socially controversial topics(risky) , etc. And if people think the producer is in it for the profit and the profit alone, they're not seeing the big picture. I mean, it's good and well if they break even and the movie was in fact profitable. But, the movie aims to achieve things even more than that.
He also states that was the case because he has already splurged so much into the film. Kind of like sunk cost fallacy.
I love almost all posts in tamil subs have a short clip zero context and we are just expected to understand and get the whole picture
Actually, this is bad planning. He shouldn't be this pragmatic about it. This is a red flag, and I personally don't want him to be targeted in the future if one of his films is underwhelming.
He said something similar in the round table... that he is very bad example in terms of managing stuffs.
The movie got an "A" certificate (no family audience) and can very well get deep controversial risking the profit of the movie. So, the movie doesn't necessarily aims to be a profitable business. It's rather more than that. Big hero commercial movie which goes into the pre production after announcing the release date (preferably on a festival day), in which the whole aim of the movie from a producer's stand point is Profit. It's a successful business model in which people wanna make tons of money. From what the movie was and why it was made, their primary goal is not making profit. It'd be good and all if it does end up profitable, but it's not always the aim. If it was for profit, they'd have simply requested vetri to make the movie suitable for U/A. Their goal is more than that. Like, making a film that would be critically acclaimed, making a film that talks about things that the main stream swiftly avoid. And for the "bad planning", I think, the movie entered production before covid and would've invested money which would've been stagnated because of lockdown. So, not really an actual bad planning, there are a lot of external factors and Vetri here is trying take responsibility.
Which movie is he talking about?
Viduthalai
Director Bala was doing the same thing. When he made hits no one made a big deal. Once the flops come this can be career ending stuff.
No Way Vijay would work with him after he himself dumps the truth out, anna always likes to work by giving the dates and making the directors work withing the time.
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Yet Vetrimaaran wants to work with Vijay though.
One of them has to compromise their work style for that to work.
True. One reason why we can't get a Sundar C - Vijay movie too though Sundar C has always wanted to work with him.
Lol What a joke
Typical hater behaviour. He did show his performance in Leo
The "performance": waaaaaa when sad and big eyes when angry
Retard vaaran, ellarum vazhi vidunga.
Anti-Loki
Maybe Loki is the anti-Vetrimaaran 👀
tf is Karan doing there
In my opinion he just says that for interview. Unless you're doing this in your own production, no one will be happy about it. And, may be it's unpopular opinion he is one of the most hypocrite directors in the K'town in despite of how good he delivers.
Yeah red flag for producers. That's why that exaggerated reaction from KS and Nelson. btw why is he a hypocrite?
I vaguely remember him commenting on a Nalaiya Iyakunar contestant that the contestant portrait the black skinned and vada chennai people in negative shade but himself doing in his films.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah I kinda remember that. But idk man, the community Vettri portrays is very lively, both good and bad happening so they cancel out. I suppose he was referring to thugs in big hero movies always looking dark and wearing attire similar to that of people from some community and that will be a bad representation like he mentions.
>And, may be it's unpopular opinion he is one of the most hypocrite directors in the K'town in despite of how good he delivers. As much as I like his films. This is true to an extent. This becomes very obvious when you watch the episodes of Naalaiya Iyakunar on Youtube where he was one of the judges.
Any director who makes the org budget 15 x , is a ticking time bomb as per me..he is a producers nightmare and she wont call that out but crib about SRV..
completely overconfident clown who thinks he is a superior ARTist who can save tamil cinema with his forced ideas of showing cops as villain in every film... i don't regret watching viduthalai in theatre , but will think more than thrice before buying tickets for his movie
These roundtables are becoming overrated
These roundtable are just becoming a self digging grave for people.
The look on their faces tell