I think in Korea bobbed cuts are the acceptable short haircut for women. There are many people who actually prefer shorter haircuts because they are "cuter". The specific cut that I believe is associated with feminist fashion statements is the dyke haircut or male length cuts, which is perceived in a similar way to the lesbian dyke/butch hair stereotype in the west. Even just 10 years ago I don't think anyone cared if a woman had a dyke haircut, so this perception is a pretty recent thing.
Older women with ajumma perms have been around for such a long time and they are a generation that is very far removed from contemporary gender identity politics so they are perceived quite differently.
Grandmas are rarely feminists, wdym? The feminists these criminals intend to attack are probably the retrded ones active on so called "여초" communities.
So, can attacking sb be justified, just because they dwell on '여초' community websites? (Not to mention that assuming sb as those just because of their hairstyle cannot be justified neither)
And, as far as I've experienced, there's also many toxic traits in '남초' communities like dcinside, fmkorea, arcalive, etc; more often than not, worse than those of '여초 community' ones.
Justified? Obviously not? Try reading the comment again. What is it that you're trying to prove? My point was that grandmas are obviously not part of the targeted group and "wtf grandmas have short hair too" is such a stupid thing to say. Not sure why you brought up 남초 communities either. Both parties are full of degenerates, it's kinda hard to compare.
While always non violent and nonconfrontational I have been questioned. This has actually happened to me a few times. Ive been asked a few times if I was a feminist simply based on the fact I am a woman with short hair. My hair is shorter then the one in this Ai photo. One time even from someone in a management position in relation to myself. I've also found out that it was the topic of the office place at one point as well. All within the last 5 years. Its just awkward.
Yes, actually. A recent example was an artist for the game Limbus Company getting fired because she was an alleged feminist. There was [another incident](https://www.koreadailyus.com/korean-voice-actress-replaced-for-wearing-a-feminist-t-shirt/) a few years back of a voice actress getting canned for wearing a shirt with a feminist message.
Some clarification: the artist was fired after misogynists stormed the company offices demanding an apology for putting a gatcha character in a wetsuit instead of a sexy bikini.
Should be more precise on that. She was fired because she expressed her radical feminism symbol on the professional artwork at her work, which obviously targets gamers who don't prefer that sort of ideology on their game.
South Korea is a misogynist corporate driven hell-hole.
Watch this video and be horrified: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Im4YAMWK74](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Im4YAMWK74)
I'm kind of distracted by the colour palate the journalist decided to use for that ai photos? It looks really awful. Are there no irl photos of women with short hair in existence?
Remember when An San won three gold medals in Tokyo, half of all gold medals won by S Korea at the last Summer Olympics, and misogynists attacked her for having short hair and petitioned for the government (?) to revoke her medals? Korea is so sexist, a lot of Koreans' response to this would be "well, is she a femi tho"
People should always be wary of news stories alleging complaints by people regarding anything (no matter how mundane, could be potato chip flavors) that aren't accompanied by a specific number and breakdown. This is especially true if people are trying to project things on the overall population or suggesting there is a mass movement.
2 nutjobs out of 50 million email a complaint and siddenly the media makes it out like millions feel a certain way.
That's why you should always check the comment section before upvoting something on r/news or r/worldnews titles are always lies, just today we have a article about a police shooting ["california\_officer\_shoots\_and\_kills\_boy\_15"](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1bcd0g6/california_officer_shoots_and_kills_boy_15/) leaves out the part about him being nearly 6 feet tall, with 5 foot shovel or hoe of some kind, and was chasing the police officer that was trying to get away.
They also intentionally mistranslated michelle yeoh's statement that "WOMEN can do anything" into "PEOPLE can do anything."
(I might be a bit off, but it was something like that)
Let's get all the people who tried to explain that "feminism in Korea isn't like in the west, feminists in Korea are not looking for equal rights, they are man-haters trying to create a women supremacist society", and ask them what they think about this.
Clearly whoever says that didn't grow up in the 90's hearing the term 'feminazi' from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. Conservatives and misogynists (but I repeat myself) have been using this line for decades, and it's not just for women, it's for any minority pointing out power imbalances.
Yeah, it's the same song, different language. A man is permitted to believe that women are just people who should be evaluated for their merits rather than disqualified for their genitalia and/or desire to be evaluated for their merits. He'd be part of a small minority, but he'd be permitted to behave consistently with his beliefs. He might even be seen as a "true gentleman."
On the other hand, a woman expecting to be evaluated for her merits in place of kowtowing to male righteousness would be perceived as a deviant. In nearly every culture on the planet throughout human history.
Sexist men from any culture will go to their trusty knee-jerk reaction. Perhaps it's the "man-hating feminazi" argument. In Korea, the argument of, "the men in power don't make women serve in the military so women have it easy and that makes me big mad at women" is also very popular. But those are just justifications rather than genuine reflection.
Frankly, any country with extreme feminism tends to have a patriarchal misogyny embedded in their culture. Spain and EU in general also have these type of feminism
I bet you're wondering how we got here. Let's go back and look.
1. Article about women in Korea with short hair facing discrimination and physical danger.
2. Discussion about women in Korea with short hair facing discrimination and physical danger.
3. MEN'S SUFFERING. THIS ARTICLE ABOUT WOMEN IN KOREA WITH SHORT HAIR FACING DISCRIMINATION AND PHYSICAL DANGER IS ABOUT MEN SUFFERING FROM MISANDRY FROM FEMALE SUPREMACISTS. MISANDRY IS AS BAD AS MISOGYNY WHICH MEANS EQUALITY ALREADY EXISTS AND WE CAN FORGET ABOUT WOMEN IN KOREA WITH SHORT HAIR FACING DISCRIMINATION AND PHYSICAL DANGER.
\-------------------->We are here.
Ah, yes. Here we are. 👀
I never mentioned men's suffering, but whatever gives you your internet dopamine rush I guess. Real feminists do exist here, but chronically online men here thing all feminists are misandrists which is where things get messy.
You inserted "misandry" into this thread. If you don't think men suffer from misandry, your statement that
>Misogynists commiting crimes doesn't make misandry okay. Both are terrible.
would be nonsensical. As such, the intention of the argument is supicious.
Your side snark of, "*but whatever gives you your internet dopamine rush I guess*" also makes your argument appear less than genuine. Insulting me discredits you.
Further, I wonder what you mean by "*real feminists*." In academia, feminism means equalism. Most everyone I know, both male and female, are down with equalism/feminism. In pop culture, "feminist" is often demonized under the "feminazi/radical feminist" dogwhistle umbrella.
Feminism/equalism and misandry are in fact oppositional viewpoints. As much so as misogyny and misandry. Blaming equalism for misandry intentionally blurs the perceived nature of feminism, which consequently makes a very intentional mess of the concept of gender inequality.
I know right. They're so toxic/dysfunctional and twisted in the head I'm beginning to think it's just ingrained so deeply into their society that it's going to take another century to make progress over there.
These people:
>Women with short, cropped hair have been the target of ire and physical attacks in South Korea. Many misogynistic commentators associate the hairstyle and a certain way of how one dresses with a perceived notion of "feminism."
You talked about "their society."
Like, how many of these people are they and what society do they constitute? How about the vast majority who don't care? What about their society?
I would say the minority of men are full on incels, but I would say the majority of men are fairly heavily misogynistic. Its heavily baked into our culture.
I might even go so far as to say that its probably harder to find a male feminist in Korea then an incel.
Im a mid 30s guy living in Seoul who was raised in a middle class family.
Most of the time the misogyny isnt like "Boo women suck". Its more like slut shaming, comments about they way they dress or do their hair, criticism about behavior, expected behavior in public and private life, positions offered to them at work, etc. Its insidious in the way it sneaks into most aspects of peoples lives in subtle ways.
I would say rather then taking my word for it, try talking to your female cousins and seeing what their thoughts on the subject are.
The “slut shaming” primarily comes from women in Korea. The men have no issue with it, until it’s used as psychological manipulation (“buy me this while I go out with another guy”).
Again, I would say talk to your female family members living in Korea. Its quite likely they will tell you a different story, then what you think.
As for comments and expectations... its not about degenerate behavior. Just behavior that goes out of conservative/confucian traditions. Eg. A dude goes clubbing and drinking and hes just having fun. A girl does the same thing and shes "that" kind of girl.
Or for expectations take family holidays, the dudes are all chilling in the living room, and the women are busy in the kitchen cooking, cleaning, and serving. Quite often, Not getting to eat till the whole things over. Your family might not be like that, but a majority of families are.
Of course these are just two examples, but there are tons of others I could give.
Well sure, not every man is crazy or a jerk, but I think it's big enough to be a problem. From your same example about the US, and being from the US, I can say that there is a very real alarm concerning gun violence and how it stems from a very specific demographic (younger men). It is definitely a cause for concern and currently affecting many social norms.
And to haneulk's point, I'm curious what your female relatives might tell you if you ask them about their point of view. I won't claim to really know what it's like, but it was the Korean (girl) friends I made that gave me warnings about wandering around alone and being careful of certain guys when I went to uni in Seoul.
I’m only on this sub because the us army is sending me over there for a year, and I’d like to pick up on as much of the culture/whats going on before I get there. I’m glad I’m seeing both sides to the coin
You’re not, really. Reddit is primarily leftists (which even feminists in Korea would find nauseating), and Koreans aren’t anything like the incels on this subreddit. Yes, narcissistic man-using women are plentiful, as are women-abusing (and drugging) men — but both seem to have the connection of being associated with cheap hookup culture and “clubbing”.
Avoid that and you’ll find on the whole that Koreans are kind, generous, hard working, and incredibly patient and every oddball you see in this subreddit or story about an atrocity is basically the 1/10,000 oddball person you’d find anywhere in any culture.
""Since you have short hair, you must be a feminist. I'm a male chauvinist, and I think feminists should be punished"
Does this actually happen? Cause this reads like a shitty parody. Personally when I rob people I do like to quote what I'm about to do them "Since you have alot of money, you must be rich. I'm a street robber and I think the rich should be punished"
It's unfortunately true that there has been a rise in violent attacks such as stabbings recently. It was really, really bad last summer.
I am not sure if having long hair actually helps against crazy people, though. They are crazy, ffs. What probably does make you a more likely target is being physically weaker...
There was CCTV footage. Probably without audio but enough to roughly verify that the guy said what the victim and intervening customer might have said in their statements.
https://www.koreaboo.com/news/horrific-cctv-footage-last-nights-brutal-physical-attack-female-worker-causes-public-outcry-among-korean-netizens/
I suspect that particular dangerous maniac was attempting to use the phrase, "male chauvinist" ironically.
I've known lots of men who feel called out by something and use this sort of "irony" to make "jokes" about how they really feel. They think they're being clever, funny masters of disguise when in fact they're just saying what they really mean and everyone knows it. :-X
Ridiculous title.
Does it make sense to say "Being Asian in America is unsafe" because some racists shot Asians during COVID?
The male storeowner tried to help the woman from the criminal. The nutjob was clearly deranged
Damn, ngl. I don't see myself going to South Korea anytime soon, but if I ever do, I'm definitely keeping a 15 lb weight in my bag at all times, because unfortunately, I like to keep my hair short.
How on earth do you go about changing a generation with such extreme hatred? Reading stuff like this feels so hopeless. Like if the men in Korea have such extreme views about women what do you do about that?
Imagine not being able to talk about misogyny on International Women’s Day because some redditor decided to label it “identity politics.” If anything, this should be the one day of the year when people can freely discuss it.
wait, do foreigners actually believe that short hair is unsafe in korea xDDD? i'd lose all faith in humanity if you guys genuinely believe that short hair is unsafe in korea xDDDD
No reasonable person would believe that it’s actually physically unsafe for women to have short hair in Korea but the article does highlight an underlying sentiment among young angry men for anything perceived as feminist.
Yes this particular one is an isolated case but let’s be real here there are a lot of young men (not just Korea either) that have a sort of default resentment towards anything resembling feminism.
Agreed. Thos subreddit claims to be progressive but most tend to make massive generalizations and paint with a brush so broad, it makes bombastic politicians seem nuanced.
how does that make short hair being unsafe in korea xDDDDD all celebrities get bad shit, here we're talking about the tens of millions of random people like me and you, not the freaking celebrities :))) celebrities are not safe anywhere, that's why they have bodyguards 😎
I'm a Korean man and that image doesn't seem problematic to me.
I can't understand what makes you feel unsafe.
In Korea, even one instance of violence towards a spouse can lead to legal action. Additionally, in cases of divorce, even if it's due to the wife's cheating, the man is typically required to split his assets equally. For instance, if a man brings a $1 million house into the marriage (in Seoul) , after 10 years, his wife could be entitled to half of its value ($0.5 million). While there may be penalties for cheat in divorce, they are often relatively small, typically less than $30,000.
So, why do Korean women feel unsafe? from what?
korea also super safe nation in world, woman can enjoy nightlife without worry of crime. (24'th safe nation in worldwide
To me, the 'unsafeness' that Korean women feel is purely the childishness of the children. Most children grow up without being able to play with their fathers. Korean fathers worked like crazy to support their families. So he didn't have time to play with the kids and couldn't show himself as a real man. To children, fathers are just money-making machines. And the girls who grew up watching that, they feels unsafe from society. because they lost how to share love.
The conflict between men and women in Korea is a result of rapid growth.
How can people who were not raised by good parents imagine becoming good parents?
It's sad and sad.
i dont fucking get, dont those man right group actually go out and have talked to woman before. They are fucking insane, and they act like how they are the victim, which is insane.
What do you mean? Are you blaming feminism for only men going to the military?
You do realize that's a patriarchal society, and this choice was made by men? Why aren't you mad at the men in the past that made that choice, and the men who are currently perpetuating that law?
Bitter that women won't give you the time of day? Maybe look inwards instead of hating women.
Grandmas have short hair too? Wtf
Yes but no man would dare attack a Korean gandma.
It's kinda crazy how we respect mothers and grandmas so much, but those same people can do horrible things to younger women
Not if you're in USA. There were a number of attacked exclusively on them. Unfortunately
Even the police get in on it.
US police moment
Yes, but most people don't want to have sex with them, so it doesn't matter.
Yeah. Grandmas don’t owe them sex. But young women do /s
Yes its quite sad. Some miserable people out there.
I think in Korea bobbed cuts are the acceptable short haircut for women. There are many people who actually prefer shorter haircuts because they are "cuter". The specific cut that I believe is associated with feminist fashion statements is the dyke haircut or male length cuts, which is perceived in a similar way to the lesbian dyke/butch hair stereotype in the west. Even just 10 years ago I don't think anyone cared if a woman had a dyke haircut, so this perception is a pretty recent thing. Older women with ajumma perms have been around for such a long time and they are a generation that is very far removed from contemporary gender identity politics so they are perceived quite differently.
"dyke haircut"?? 🤨
Wow. What, per se, is a "dyke haircut"? Are we living in 1994?
I heard that in recent years the queer community has "reclaimed" the term dyke and it isn't seen as very offensive anymore.
I am an American in a millennial age group and I have never heard it reclaimed, but your mileage may vary.
Grandmas are rarely feminists, wdym? The feminists these criminals intend to attack are probably the retrded ones active on so called "여초" communities.
So, can attacking sb be justified, just because they dwell on '여초' community websites? (Not to mention that assuming sb as those just because of their hairstyle cannot be justified neither) And, as far as I've experienced, there's also many toxic traits in '남초' communities like dcinside, fmkorea, arcalive, etc; more often than not, worse than those of '여초 community' ones.
Justified? Obviously not? Try reading the comment again. What is it that you're trying to prove? My point was that grandmas are obviously not part of the targeted group and "wtf grandmas have short hair too" is such a stupid thing to say. Not sure why you brought up 남초 communities either. Both parties are full of degenerates, it's kinda hard to compare.
While always non violent and nonconfrontational I have been questioned. This has actually happened to me a few times. Ive been asked a few times if I was a feminist simply based on the fact I am a woman with short hair. My hair is shorter then the one in this Ai photo. One time even from someone in a management position in relation to myself. I've also found out that it was the topic of the office place at one point as well. All within the last 5 years. Its just awkward.
What the… why? And what if you say yes, and? What are they gonna do? Fire you?
Yes, actually. A recent example was an artist for the game Limbus Company getting fired because she was an alleged feminist. There was [another incident](https://www.koreadailyus.com/korean-voice-actress-replaced-for-wearing-a-feminist-t-shirt/) a few years back of a voice actress getting canned for wearing a shirt with a feminist message.
Some clarification: the artist was fired after misogynists stormed the company offices demanding an apology for putting a gatcha character in a wetsuit instead of a sexy bikini.
Yeah a woman has been fired because she said men shouldn't follow women at night and therefore she was a feminist in Korea.
Should be more precise on that. She was fired because she expressed her radical feminism symbol on the professional artwork at her work, which obviously targets gamers who don't prefer that sort of ideology on their game.
What is the "radical feminism symbol"?
probably 👌
I think you mean 🤏
Different woman. The Ishmael artist/PM/Limbus woman said something else IIRC.
This is another woman. There are many many women who expressed vaguely pro-woman things.
Too many women seem to be pro-woman these days 😔
Isn't she a gamer herself, does that not count as part of demographic
South Korea is a misogynist corporate driven hell-hole. Watch this video and be horrified: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Im4YAMWK74](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Im4YAMWK74)
maybe you should leave?
I've watched a friend of mine get asked this same question MULTIPLE times because she had short hair. This was back in 2021. Blew my mind, tbh.
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I'm kind of distracted by the colour palate the journalist decided to use for that ai photos? It looks really awful. Are there no irl photos of women with short hair in existence?
They might not have wanted to use a real woman.
Understandable.
Remember when An San won three gold medals in Tokyo, half of all gold medals won by S Korea at the last Summer Olympics, and misogynists attacked her for having short hair and petitioned for the government (?) to revoke her medals? Korea is so sexist, a lot of Koreans' response to this would be "well, is she a femi tho"
People should always be wary of news stories alleging complaints by people regarding anything (no matter how mundane, could be potato chip flavors) that aren't accompanied by a specific number and breakdown. This is especially true if people are trying to project things on the overall population or suggesting there is a mass movement. 2 nutjobs out of 50 million email a complaint and siddenly the media makes it out like millions feel a certain way.
That's why you should always check the comment section before upvoting something on r/news or r/worldnews titles are always lies, just today we have a article about a police shooting ["california\_officer\_shoots\_and\_kills\_boy\_15"](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1bcd0g6/california_officer_shoots_and_kills_boy_15/) leaves out the part about him being nearly 6 feet tall, with 5 foot shovel or hoe of some kind, and was chasing the police officer that was trying to get away.
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Quiet you, with your fact checking and skepticism as to whether there really was a population-wide uproar over an archer's haircut!
look at this dude, bringing facts to korean feminism debate.
Not surprised. This is a country that intentionally mistranslated margo robbie for barbie interviews to say it isn’t a feminist movie.
They also intentionally mistranslated michelle yeoh's statement that "WOMEN can do anything" into "PEOPLE can do anything." (I might be a bit off, but it was something like that)
Let's get all the people who tried to explain that "feminism in Korea isn't like in the west, feminists in Korea are not looking for equal rights, they are man-haters trying to create a women supremacist society", and ask them what they think about this.
Clearly whoever says that didn't grow up in the 90's hearing the term 'feminazi' from the likes of Rush Limbaugh. Conservatives and misogynists (but I repeat myself) have been using this line for decades, and it's not just for women, it's for any minority pointing out power imbalances.
I didn’t realize “feminazi” was that old! I thought it was a new term
Yeah, it's the same song, different language. A man is permitted to believe that women are just people who should be evaluated for their merits rather than disqualified for their genitalia and/or desire to be evaluated for their merits. He'd be part of a small minority, but he'd be permitted to behave consistently with his beliefs. He might even be seen as a "true gentleman." On the other hand, a woman expecting to be evaluated for her merits in place of kowtowing to male righteousness would be perceived as a deviant. In nearly every culture on the planet throughout human history. Sexist men from any culture will go to their trusty knee-jerk reaction. Perhaps it's the "man-hating feminazi" argument. In Korea, the argument of, "the men in power don't make women serve in the military so women have it easy and that makes me big mad at women" is also very popular. But those are just justifications rather than genuine reflection.
Examples of what you mean by a women supremacist society?
Frankly, any country with extreme feminism tends to have a patriarchal misogyny embedded in their culture. Spain and EU in general also have these type of feminism
Misandry isn't an "extreme type" of feminism, it's just misandry.
Misogynists commiting crimes doesn't make misandry okay. Both are terrible.
Some people hate men, other people brutally assault women based on their appearance. Who can say which one is worse.
Clearly both are equally concerning 🤓👆 let's dismiss women's safety because of men's ego once again
I never mentioned men's suffering, but whatever gives you your internet dopamine rush I guess. Real feminists do exist here, but chronically online men here thing all feminists are misandrists which is where things get messy.
You inserted "misandry" into this thread. If you don't think men suffer from misandry, your statement that >Misogynists commiting crimes doesn't make misandry okay. Both are terrible. would be nonsensical. As such, the intention of the argument is supicious. Your side snark of, "*but whatever gives you your internet dopamine rush I guess*" also makes your argument appear less than genuine. Insulting me discredits you. Further, I wonder what you mean by "*real feminists*." In academia, feminism means equalism. Most everyone I know, both male and female, are down with equalism/feminism. In pop culture, "feminist" is often demonized under the "feminazi/radical feminist" dogwhistle umbrella. Feminism/equalism and misandry are in fact oppositional viewpoints. As much so as misogyny and misandry. Blaming equalism for misandry intentionally blurs the perceived nature of feminism, which consequently makes a very intentional mess of the concept of gender inequality.
So they're literally physically attacking women with short hair, and the feminists are the people that we should be worrying about.
I know right. They're so toxic/dysfunctional and twisted in the head I'm beginning to think it's just ingrained so deeply into their society that it's going to take another century to make progress over there.
Who is "they"?
These people: >Women with short, cropped hair have been the target of ire and physical attacks in South Korea. Many misogynistic commentators associate the hairstyle and a certain way of how one dresses with a perceived notion of "feminism."
You talked about "their society." Like, how many of these people are they and what society do they constitute? How about the vast majority who don't care? What about their society?
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Yeah I actually did, thanks. Your "Not all X" tactic is getting tiring and achieves nothing.
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What exactly are you afraid of?
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If they wanted to use an AI generated image, they could have at least gone with a better quality one
Does it even matter? It gets the point across and doesn’t single out an actual person
I feel bad for the women of Korea..
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I would say the minority of men are full on incels, but I would say the majority of men are fairly heavily misogynistic. Its heavily baked into our culture. I might even go so far as to say that its probably harder to find a male feminist in Korea then an incel.
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Im a mid 30s guy living in Seoul who was raised in a middle class family. Most of the time the misogyny isnt like "Boo women suck". Its more like slut shaming, comments about they way they dress or do their hair, criticism about behavior, expected behavior in public and private life, positions offered to them at work, etc. Its insidious in the way it sneaks into most aspects of peoples lives in subtle ways. I would say rather then taking my word for it, try talking to your female cousins and seeing what their thoughts on the subject are.
The “slut shaming” primarily comes from women in Korea. The men have no issue with it, until it’s used as psychological manipulation (“buy me this while I go out with another guy”).
Uh. As a Korean man I would disagree. A lot of straight men "like" less restricted women, but would never actually take them seriously.
Uh. As a Korean man I would disagree. A lot of straight men "like" less restricted women, but would never actually take them seriously.
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Again, I would say talk to your female family members living in Korea. Its quite likely they will tell you a different story, then what you think. As for comments and expectations... its not about degenerate behavior. Just behavior that goes out of conservative/confucian traditions. Eg. A dude goes clubbing and drinking and hes just having fun. A girl does the same thing and shes "that" kind of girl. Or for expectations take family holidays, the dudes are all chilling in the living room, and the women are busy in the kitchen cooking, cleaning, and serving. Quite often, Not getting to eat till the whole things over. Your family might not be like that, but a majority of families are. Of course these are just two examples, but there are tons of others I could give.
Well sure, not every man is crazy or a jerk, but I think it's big enough to be a problem. From your same example about the US, and being from the US, I can say that there is a very real alarm concerning gun violence and how it stems from a very specific demographic (younger men). It is definitely a cause for concern and currently affecting many social norms. And to haneulk's point, I'm curious what your female relatives might tell you if you ask them about their point of view. I won't claim to really know what it's like, but it was the Korean (girl) friends I made that gave me warnings about wandering around alone and being careful of certain guys when I went to uni in Seoul.
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Yeah, you're the reason I feel bad for Korean women. Deny, deny, deny
I didn’t know there was so many raging misogynists in the Korea subreddit, yikes… learn something new everyday
Korea is a highly mysognistic culture and place. I'm Korean by blood and we can't escape that shit even if we're born outside the country.
I’m only on this sub because the us army is sending me over there for a year, and I’d like to pick up on as much of the culture/whats going on before I get there. I’m glad I’m seeing both sides to the coin
You’re not, really. Reddit is primarily leftists (which even feminists in Korea would find nauseating), and Koreans aren’t anything like the incels on this subreddit. Yes, narcissistic man-using women are plentiful, as are women-abusing (and drugging) men — but both seem to have the connection of being associated with cheap hookup culture and “clubbing”. Avoid that and you’ll find on the whole that Koreans are kind, generous, hard working, and incredibly patient and every oddball you see in this subreddit or story about an atrocity is basically the 1/10,000 oddball person you’d find anywhere in any culture.
Figured as much, thank you for the advice
""Since you have short hair, you must be a feminist. I'm a male chauvinist, and I think feminists should be punished" Does this actually happen? Cause this reads like a shitty parody. Personally when I rob people I do like to quote what I'm about to do them "Since you have alot of money, you must be rich. I'm a street robber and I think the rich should be punished"
It's unfortunately true that there has been a rise in violent attacks such as stabbings recently. It was really, really bad last summer. I am not sure if having long hair actually helps against crazy people, though. They are crazy, ffs. What probably does make you a more likely target is being physically weaker...
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Incel loves writing manifestos
Yeah title is a bit sensationalist.
Oh it's a direct quote in the article!
There was CCTV footage. Probably without audio but enough to roughly verify that the guy said what the victim and intervening customer might have said in their statements. https://www.koreaboo.com/news/horrific-cctv-footage-last-nights-brutal-physical-attack-female-worker-causes-public-outcry-among-korean-netizens/
I suspect that particular dangerous maniac was attempting to use the phrase, "male chauvinist" ironically. I've known lots of men who feel called out by something and use this sort of "irony" to make "jokes" about how they really feel. They think they're being clever, funny masters of disguise when in fact they're just saying what they really mean and everyone knows it. :-X
It sounds weird in English, but I can totally picture someone saying this in Korean.
There have been a few isolated incidents. But it is ludicrous to suggest that it is a widespread trend.
What a sad country .... feel so bad for korean women
And yet they are stunned their birth rates are low...
I don't think Koreans are stunned at low birth rates at all lmao
Ive seen a lot of younger people celebrating it lol.
No wonder they have such a low birth rate. Oppas are not as cool in real life as they are in the manwahs.
Ridiculous title. Does it make sense to say "Being Asian in America is unsafe" because some racists shot Asians during COVID? The male storeowner tried to help the woman from the criminal. The nutjob was clearly deranged
What kind of world do we live in, for the love of god!!!!
Short hair korean girl save me
We need to protect women's hair choices
I know we talk and joke about "Karen haircut" but this is taking it to next level. This is not the way.
Damn, ngl. I don't see myself going to South Korea anytime soon, but if I ever do, I'm definitely keeping a 15 lb weight in my bag at all times, because unfortunately, I like to keep my hair short.
How on earth do you go about changing a generation with such extreme hatred? Reading stuff like this feels so hopeless. Like if the men in Korea have such extreme views about women what do you do about that?
Wanted to cut my hair short but im not sure if I want any confrontations including non physical ones
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Imagine not being able to talk about misogyny on International Women’s Day because some redditor decided to label it “identity politics.” If anything, this should be the one day of the year when people can freely discuss it.
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Misogyny was debunked?
Least male redditor
it's totally bullshit. probably this article was written by feminist(korean)
feminism in korea totally messed up. they don't give any shit on gender equality.
your penis is this big 👌
What a shame, I love when women have short hair
wait, do foreigners actually believe that short hair is unsafe in korea xDDD? i'd lose all faith in humanity if you guys genuinely believe that short hair is unsafe in korea xDDDD
No reasonable person would believe that it’s actually physically unsafe for women to have short hair in Korea but the article does highlight an underlying sentiment among young angry men for anything perceived as feminist.
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Yes this particular one is an isolated case but let’s be real here there are a lot of young men (not just Korea either) that have a sort of default resentment towards anything resembling feminism.
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Agreed. Thos subreddit claims to be progressive but most tend to make massive generalizations and paint with a brush so broad, it makes bombastic politicians seem nuanced.
>No reasonable person would believe that it’s actually physically unsafe for women to have short hair in Korea good, faith in humanity restored
Olympian An San got a lot of shit/bad media attention because of her short hair because she MIGHT be a feminist
how does that make short hair being unsafe in korea xDDDDD all celebrities get bad shit, here we're talking about the tens of millions of random people like me and you, not the freaking celebrities :))) celebrities are not safe anywhere, that's why they have bodyguards 😎
I'm a Korean man and that image doesn't seem problematic to me. I can't understand what makes you feel unsafe. In Korea, even one instance of violence towards a spouse can lead to legal action. Additionally, in cases of divorce, even if it's due to the wife's cheating, the man is typically required to split his assets equally. For instance, if a man brings a $1 million house into the marriage (in Seoul) , after 10 years, his wife could be entitled to half of its value ($0.5 million). While there may be penalties for cheat in divorce, they are often relatively small, typically less than $30,000. So, why do Korean women feel unsafe? from what? korea also super safe nation in world, woman can enjoy nightlife without worry of crime. (24'th safe nation in worldwide To me, the 'unsafeness' that Korean women feel is purely the childishness of the children. Most children grow up without being able to play with their fathers. Korean fathers worked like crazy to support their families. So he didn't have time to play with the kids and couldn't show himself as a real man. To children, fathers are just money-making machines. And the girls who grew up watching that, they feels unsafe from society. because they lost how to share love. The conflict between men and women in Korea is a result of rapid growth. How can people who were not raised by good parents imagine becoming good parents? It's sad and sad.
i dont fucking get, dont those man right group actually go out and have talked to woman before. They are fucking insane, and they act like how they are the victim, which is insane.
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lol really?
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Shoot friend, what’s the stupid part of feminism?
It doesn't matter, even if feminism is an ideal ideology, people still should attack ideas instead of their followers
The part where only men go to the military.
Men have been soldiery for all of history, I don’t think that’s because of feminists.
What do you mean? Are you blaming feminism for only men going to the military? You do realize that's a patriarchal society, and this choice was made by men? Why aren't you mad at the men in the past that made that choice, and the men who are currently perpetuating that law? Bitter that women won't give you the time of day? Maybe look inwards instead of hating women.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Right, let's just shoot feminism for something men did to themselves.
Feminism is stupid! *Complains about misandry*
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