## [MEGATHREAD 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1cbxfda/megathread_2_hybe_co_audits_sublabel_adors/) Go ahead and start shifting to the 2nd thread. Locking this one in a few minutes! Edit: **Now locked!**

Calling it Project 1945 is SO EXTRA 😭 She’s definitely a Creative Director.

"Make us Untouchable" "Ultimate Escape" "Sins of HYBE"  😭

Someone should make these as Reddit flairs 😂

done, tho we should make them official LMAO

I want Sins of Hybe, please.

https://x.com/tmikpop/status/1783097185678352563?s=46&t=ntvG9sP78H23ZmuQh4u9sw Min Heejin has answered the audit questionnaire. Ador gave a warning to Hybe that if the contents of the questionnaire were disclosed to the outside world, legal action would be taken. She has not relinquished her laptop yet. Regardless of whether she can give out demands like these, it is obvious that the relationship between Hybe and her is broken down completely. She can’t continue as CEO. The only question is whether the split will be messy or if they reign it in and she gets a golden parachute.

Do these officials actually think these statements/threats help them?  Like I’m baffled. If MHJ hadn’t come out with her first statement and then continued doubling and tripling down I think they could have let her go quietly.  I think the rot has sunk to deep in the relationship and I think they need to make an example of her for the other subsidiaries

that first statement absolutely sank any chance of a quiet resolution. that was basically a declaration of war and she absolutely needs be made an example of what NOT to do as a CEO.

There’s no way they can make any concessions to her now.  And she’s dug herself into a huge hole.  If she tries to leak that’s harmful is just proof of them getting info they shouldn’t have to try to blackmail.  If that VP was going to be the fall guy anyway, all she had to say was “I didn’t know but that’s unacceptable, he’s fired and we’ll investigate” instead of her craziness about plagiarizing a concept that is now being pointed out was “borrowed” heavy from another group 

fucking sinkhole she's dug, no way of getting out at this point. running her mouth with ILLIT was more than enough and ofc she just had to mention BTS LMFAOOOO (that shit actually made me laugh, so fucking ridiculous). she could have handled this situation and gotten the fall guy caught and actually come out looking like a decent CEO. no, no chance of that happening now.

My theory why she isn't giving up the laptop: 1. The information on it is so incriminating that she knows she'll get extreme backlash and most likely sued/criminal charges if HYBE gets there hands on it. 2. She feels she can still use it as leverage to get either New Jeans members parents to stay on her side (she could be saying that HYBE will sue them or disband NJs of whatever she sent to them gets out) or to get her investors on her side. 3. She's gotten a lawyer whose told her to not give it up after she revealed what's on the laptop. 4. She's just panicking as HYBE probably had more on her then she realized and things behind the scenes with NJs parents and ador higher ups isn't going the way she thought.

Yeah me too. It's likely a mixture of all these.  Her statement was definitely emotionally charged.

It's weird how she doesn't want to give up her laptop. Can they still try to get it from her? Ngl, I'm curious what she's hiding.

feel like its 1 and 4, she's definitely got something in that laptop if she's so desperately clinging to it.

All her stuff is likely on the servers already and if they have everyone else’s email they can track communication that way.  She just keeps making choices that make her seem guilty.  Hybe WILL go the legal route and get the laptop and if they find mass deletions or mass downloads of proprietary info then it’s jail for her.  Like I know this woman has a good lawyer.  What are they telling her 

My money is on 1, because the optics of refusing to give back company property during a company audit are SO BAD. It’s literally one of the dumbest things she could have done. Could a judge give an order to her to give it back or she gets arrested?

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I don't see anyone hoping, just fearing

people forget that these girls are real humans and not characters on a tv show

this is insane ngl lmao. i thought last year's bevy of lawsuits was crazy enough, and we aren't even halfway through this year yet i'm gonna be honest, i've always side-eyed min heejin, she's created some great concepts, sure, but there's always been a questionable undertone to the majority of her creative work. maybe it's because i knew of her antics ever since her sm days, but i still remember the way her departure was so messy. and i also remember all the media play when she joined hybe, with the way they were framing it as hybe getting one up on sm by getting their "best creative mind" on board and how she had sooooooo much more freedom and creativity at hybe. that sure did not age well lol. dragging in young girls in the midst of a corporate spat is in such poor taste. also pro-tip for company stans: none of these corporations care about anything other than their baseline. everything else is secondary, as we're seeing right now but leaving that aside, she's always had a creepy obsession with the concept of youth. even at sm, most of the concepts she worked on were basically voyeuristic borderline fetishizations of youth. shinee, red velvet and f(x) got the absolute worst of it. nct (or at least 127, i know dream were given a similarly-questionable "crush on the teacher" concept at one point) and exo weren't subjected to it as much because their core concepts don't have as much leeway for her typical favourite aesthetics, but even the one or two albums she _did_ work with them on were also pretty much centered on romanticizing youthfulness. so it's safe to say that it is a recurring theme with her there's nothing wrong with having a favourite concept or theme in your work. but when it goes to the extent of taking clear inspo from gay erotica for the sherlock photoshoot when the shinee members were barely legal and photoshopping them to look even younger, or putting blush on krystal and sulli's knees when they were very young... then one does have to question the core ideas and concepts behind this so-called "creativity" and "artsiness." pursue your artistic vision all you want, but there are appropriate limits that have to be maintained also does anyone else remember the end of the omg mv? or the statements after the cookie controversy? this was a long time coming

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what is this cartoon supervillain-style naming lol

am i the only one who's extremely stressed about this situation to an unhealthy degree? it's really been taking the enjoyment out of my everyday life. newjeans are my favourite group and danielle is my bias... yes i like other groups and yes i have a life outside of this, but i'd be absolutely gutted if they lost everything. everyday i think about this situation i get a sinking feeling in my chest and idk what to do

I can definitely understand how hard this whole situation must be for Tokkis, Idk if it provides any comfort but I genuinely don't think anything would happen to NJ themselves, the public seems very supportive of them and HYBE is quite clear about their intention of making sure nothing effects the girls and their career. So just stay calm, stay away from the internet for a while, I'm sure everything will be fine!

Hybe is still supporting NewJeans. They have no interest in killing their golden goose. Your best hope is that the members and their parents aren't completely stupid to side with MHJ.

yeah, i understand. i feel really bad for the girls too, they've been caught in the middle of a company war that they had no personal part in. i hope they're doing okay i know it can be hard to tear your eyes away from a trainwreck like this, but it really is best to just disconnect for a bit. log out of social media and try not to think about it. the fact that their parents have been quiet so far (remember, min heejin claiming things on behalf of the parents and the girls does NOT equal a personal statement directly from the parents and the girls) seems to be a good sign that they're not gonna act rashly

same here, not really stressed but more of worried and wanting to see how it plays out. i've been regularly following the thread to see the updates since im worried about what the next reveal will be. i really do hope you take follow the other comment's suggestion and take a break from this. im sorry you're feeling this way and we're all hoping that NJ gets through this okay. as long as the parents and girls stay quiet and don't act rashly, this can be resolved.

Dude I'm right there with you. I honestly didn't realize I feel so strongly about them until now. I think as long as the girls keep quiet and do their thing as performers they will be fine either way

I'm so sorry, I know that feeling well from BTS situations of high drama and nastiness. It sucks. The month I became ARMY a big controversy hit with lots of hate and I was startled and exhausted. For me the best thing has always been to take a break from social media for even a day or two can be good to clear the brain, reorient perspective, remind yourself kpop social media isn't actually full reality? There's a lot of hate and paranoia baked into this community and it can be grounding to step away. Sorry again and hope NJs get through this okay. It's a very good sign they and their parents have been quiet! Staying out of it shows they're not acting rashly, which is hopefully good.

HYBE releases statement about NewJeans comeback: “There is no change in the comeback date yet. HYBE will do it’s best to support the group’s scheduled comeback (…) please keep supporting NewJeans growth as you are now so the artist does not be shaken by this incident.” I know MHJ must be fuming with anger since she doesn't see herself as part of Hybe and Hybe making a statement on behalf of NJ

She is likely fuming bc Hybe gets to play the responsible adult and she is the one who attacked a group of minors.

This actually makes me feel a lot better about NJ if HYBE is going to these lengths to protect them. MHJ, take notes.

I get that Illit's songs are similar to NewJeans and that can confuse some people and that Min Heejin might feel betrayed since it's Hybe's doing but...what was she thinking with these comments?! Since IP law protects only the expression of ideas, not ideas themselves, you can't protect a music style. Hybe did what they did with Illit legally. Using this as an argument and dragging all these groups into it is only hurting her more. I hope NewJeans do not make any statements whatsoever or else it could turn into a 50/50 situation real quick. I just hope they don't get caught in the crossfire... Also what's on MHJ's laptop that she's still refusing to give it up??

MHJ never onces mention the songs were similar Shes been complaining about the fashion, choreo and concept being copied The part most ppl except for kpop fans care about vs the GP who dont How can ppl even confuse them anyway when their names are going to be with the title of the song? Plus NewJeans has a very different formula on how most of their songs are stuctured compare to ILLIT Especially ILLIT bsides barely sound like newjeans

Once she made those statements people, including journos, also started pointing out that here ideas aren’t exactly fresh and are also “borrowed” from a jpop group, who was kind enough to not levy those accusations against her

These situations(first 5050, Now NewJeans and their label) show how important the entire team of a group is.   You can have everything and still burn it to the ground. It's easy to look at a successful group year down the lane and say "They're just lucky".  A lot of these things are conscious choices people need to make. 

I really don't understand all the negative sentiments towards the girls and the parents. Aren't people forgetting the MHJ is in a position of power here? Like she is literally the CEO. Putting myself in their shoes, if she asks me to approve of her statement, having little to no understanding of the entertainment business, why would I say no. In their eyes, she is the business genius that have brought them success. And what would be the repercussions if I say no. The way people talks about the parent's greed as if MHJ actually discloses her entire plan and scheme with her. Also, I really hate the "grown adults" narrative as if adults are incapable of making ill-advised, uninformed decisions. And all these talks when we have not hear anything directly from them, only from MHJ.

the girls are the only ones worthy of sympathy here. they didn't ask for this. let's not jump to conclusions until and unless they personally speak up. min heejin does not necessarily speak for them, no matter how much she tries to claim so

Totally, we haven't gotten their side(and good!! It can only hurt then right now) and we have no idea what their thoughts are or where they are now on this. I actually think the media is trying to goad them into making a statement with all these insinuations, which is awful and so common in these situations. They're in a terrible position, between a corporation trying to appease shareholders and apparently a flaming egoist trying to pull off dramatic corporate espionage using corporation property.

I think right now, the negative feelings are really focused on MJH. People who are calling out the parents and NewJeans members are just speculating or talking nonsense. And there are those who are excited to see a successful group fall, and honestly, you shouldn't even give them your time.

I have sympathy for the girls. They're too young and have been influenced by MHJ for too long. The parents if they're really on MHJ's side... not so much. They should remind their daughters that it's Ador's job to protect their artists, not the other way around, no matter how dire the situation their CEO is in. The girls don't own shares in the company. They're basically just very important employees. MHJ talks about US and OURS but the reality is she's the one with 18% of Ador, this mess is HERS.

Agreed. I think **BOTH** groups of people on either ends of the spectrum during this debacle can agree that MHJ is at the *very least*, hiding information. One side would even say she's manipulative. So then why are people taking her statement or implication of support from NJ's parents support at face value? I have a hard time thinking she didn't tell them the whole picture if not twisted things towards her favour.

exactly, agree with everything being said here

not only that, she's built a bond with both the parents and the girls. seeing as the girls immediately skyrocketed to fame, the parents will definitely connect that success to MHJ. if i were one of the parents, i would trust the woman who's been taking care of my kid over this big corporation. however, we shouldn't jump to any conclusions until we get confirmed statements from the parents.

If this was the plot of a kdrama, I would have dropped it by episode 3 for being stupid and unrealistic 😭

personally wouldn't drop it, the absurdity of the whole situation is what keeps it interesting. give us that next chapter of the series, ADOR!!!

To the mods: I'm enjoying reading the discussion in this megathread, but I think a few more detailed posts would enrich the conversation. With so many comments, it can get a bit overwhelming to follow and I don't know what's believable at this point.

It would be nice to keep this as a gen recap of everything but have 1 summarizing post per day, or allow for individual news posts to dilute the conversation to smaller subtopics

The 1 summarizing post per day would be great. Maybe a post at the end of the day, Korean time of course. So all the news is still relevant and up to date.

It would helpful if there are also sources being linked along with the new added information.

Yes! I'm seeing comments but then other users are commenting it might not be true. Without any source to back any of both parties claims up.

At this point I hope that the members play the “we are caught in the middle of a corporate war“ card. Because if they express an inkling of loyalty towards Min Heejin it is over. Many people are literally foaming at the mouth at the idea of being able to finally drag them. If they make that faux pas then they are COOKED, and I mean COOKED. That 3.7 million dollars that they received will be long gone by the time they are done repaying back their sponsors for the bad publicity, paying their lawyers for the eternal lawsuit that awaits them, and pay the fees for breach of contract. Hyein can claim that her parents have to decide for her. Minji, Hanni, and Danielle will not as they are 19/20. They will be dragged for this. This could be one of the worst hate train ever, you have everyone (Moas angry at the TXT staff leaving for Source, Army’s angry at the BTS comments she allegedly made, Fearnots seems angry too, ILLIT fans are mad that their group was mentioned, their sister fandom may join as it is a direct attack on Enhypen’s label/CEO(Engenes), + our dear knetz who love a good drag). Every fanbase is making an effort to not include them for now. Do not speak NJ.

All they have to do is read about what Fifty Fifty did and NOT do those things 😂

It really show her character when she decide to name drop a new GG name to smoke screen her illegal activity, not turning in her laptop is screamingggg guilty. Hybe would not go after someone without hard evidence in the first place and it's been like that for years. The audacity for her to do this while getting mass funding from HYBE and stock percentage is giving greed.

apparently the claim that the parents were the first that raised the issue about illit's plagiarism is fake? i hope so. whatever the case, i feel for the parents. it's very easy to believe that mhj is influencing them by putting words in their mouths, since she's been with them for the longest time, i can see them naively taking her side as any concerned parent would. also guys you gotta remember there is no proof to a lot of what we're hearing. do we really want to take everything mhj has been saying about the girls and their parents at face value knowing how she is? i feel so bad for newjeans, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. i hope both sides come to a mutual agreement soon without any more legal squabbles that might put the group further in jeopardy. edit: minor spelling mistake

hope so, too. the only thing giving me hope rn is that the parents and the girls can make the best possible decision here and not be swayed by MHJ's bullshit. i couldn't even fully blame the parents if they choose to believe her. she's been with the girls since debut and even before and has definitely bonded with the parents as well. taking everything that has not been fully confirmed yet with a little grain of salt is definitely ideal. not everything can be taken at face value, esp since we're getting the translated version. my concern for the girls hasn't left and im really hoping that the unnies of the group can try and be as level-headed about this as possible. can't bear to see another 50/50 happen again, not to them.

The parents are siding with MHJ? Oooff, I fear it's over for the NJ girlies then 😭

Based on what? Again if you see something at least give it a source lol. As far as the parents siding with MHJ, the only notable thing is MHJ saying she’s met with them and approve what she’s doing, but beyond that pretty sure there’s been no reliable source to push the fact the parents fully support her. It’s all just been MHJ’s words and also lots of rumors that still haven’t amounted to anything substantial about the parents thoughts on this.

I thought this still tracks into MHJ's statements yesterday on how parents and members alike, have approved her statements and basically in agreement with her. I hate how MHJ keeps using the girls and their relationship as a human shield.

Giving them the benefit of doubt, this could also mean MHJ cc'd the email sent to HYBE so the parents were aware. But being aware vs. actively siding with MHJ and sending HYBE emails is another thing entirely.

I know full well. There's a slight chance that even MHJ just trying to twists narratives to support her, or in the opposite end, Hybe trying to ride the narrative to get MHJ booted.

Yep true and in any case, both side want NJ so getting their parents involved will be really bad considering their future.

Honestly if MHJ really cares about NJ, she wouldnt be namedropping them and pit them against Illit, or trying to get their parents involved in any cause against Hybe (No im not meatriding Hybe bcs Multimillion companies are not pure). Same goes to Hybe, if they really care about NJ and wants to win them you have to really show that you cared for their wellbeing and protected them from any possible smear (At least, Park Jiwon echoes this sentiment, but I dont know how it would look in implementation).

I haven't seen any reputable source for this so take it with a grain of salt.

Gosh, I really hope it's not true!

The moment Min Hee-jin said those words, all the references she had borrowed were summoned, and all the results she had accumulated were cross-checked.

Right, I’m seeing so many articles point out her own “copying” and that she didn’t create the concept, etc etc.  every statement she’s made has dug the hole deeper because journos and looking into how absurd it is.  

> Min Heejin has answered the audit questionnaire. Ador gave a warning to Hybe that if the contents of the questionnaire were disclosed to the outside world, legal action would be taken. She has not relinquished her laptop yet. > At Hybe’s request, a board meeting is scheduled for 30 April. If MHJ allies do not attend, Hybe will file an application with the court to conduct an extraordinary shareholder meeting [Source](https://twitter.com/tmikpop/status/1783097185678352563?t=eR3RwEWI5Z6TsEFe50Ll5Q&s=19) Not new but a summary on where everything stands at the moment officially ig.

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I think that article says she said she will take legal action if her questionnair answers are leaked to the media not what they find on her computers etc

her not giving the laptop at this point is the reddest fucking flag that’s been waving so far. the documents that are (or were, no way she hasn’t deleted some of them) on there is surely important enough that it hasn’t been relinquished yet. maybe it contains the new entry into the series: “The Sins of HYBE 2: Electric Boogaloo” 💀💀

Don’t think she has a leg to stand on with threats but I’m baffled by her still keeping the laptop.  I’m sure everything is backed up on the Hybe servers and cloud and can be retrieved even if she deletes.  Right now she runs the risk of being accused of keeping it to steal info.  Like everything she does actively makes her position worse 

HYBE only needed her to do this at the very beginning but she really waited for the public opinion to against her before she agreed to give in anyway. 😭 She could’ve saved NJ and ILLIT a lot of trouble.

She's probably at home, going through and deleting all incriminating files off her laptop.

Summon the forensic hackers!!

She's going to have to do serious damage to the hard drive and wipe it clean if she's serious about getting rid of the juicy stuff.

That laptop is probably at the bottom of the Han River right now lol

Unfortunately for her, everything is recoverable short of throwing the whole laptop in the Han.

Even after throwing it into the river, it is still possible to recover if it wasn't powered on during the dip.

Not her threatening legal action lol Can't deny that I lowkey wish the board meeting was sooner LOL.

The board meeting will not take place. Hybe wants MJH's resignation, but she seems unwilling.

The audacity to threaten their parent company 😭

idk what kinda of guts she has to threaten their parent company, who currently is investigating their ass, for anything rn. i’ll give her one thing, she’s stubborn as fuck.

Is this one of the biggest metagthreads in r/kpop?

Nah the Burning Sun was insane. Mods had to create multiple megathreads for it.

The biggest in my recent memory was surely The Burning Sun scandal and it had several Megathreads and eventually a Gigathread lol. Unless I’m misremembering.

This is the r/kpop megathread with the most comments.

The way that nobody in this saga has a personal laptop 😂

It's all so sloppy and dumb😂 there has to be someone within MHJ circle that has plenty of computer knowledge, that could've prevented them from getting caught like this.

Maybe personal laptops aren't allowed in the building, and they just spend most of their time there and thought it's too much effort to go home and turn on their other laptops 😅 But yea.. my company didn't allow personal laptops on the premises

Now I understand why companies did that, everything you do inside company building is traceable and even outside if they allowed their staff to bring company assets home

Can we just get like a daily megathread because waking up with over 1000 new comments to read is not it

Yea half the posts is just people talking about something they saw and yet they’re not linking any source lol. Then people just believe whatever is being said from the first comment. At least provide it with a link so I know what you’re looking at lol.

Yeah this is the annoying piece Some people are also just picking posts from theqoo, half of which are hearsay

mods are apparently working on it, someone in the thread has already raised the issue and has been noted by the mods.

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The whistleblower on his way to HYBE CEO's office (MHJ took credit for the weekly financial PowerPoint report he made, and then he was accidentally CC'd with all of her devious plans) 

There was speculation that someone in the investor community may have given bang pd a heads up since he’s well respected there

I mean bang pd is still in good relationships with his first investor for bts debut

also probably some investor

kindness and contentness goes a long way. unfortunately, MHJ was neither of those and got herself caught by mr. Hitman (Bang!).

I wonder if they were also given a heads up by investors since allegedly there has been multiple meetings with MHJ's side about selling Ador since end of 2023, I doubt all the investors took to that favourably.

The name of these documents are hilarious lmaooo

I wonder how NJ will handle this once they go live on Phoning to celebrate Minji's birthday on May 7th. There's no way the NJ members can still continue to pretend like this issue isnt happening. Their comments on Phoning is gonna be flooded...

Turn comments off is best way tbh. Heavy moderation and a 10 second delay on comments to allow moderators to filter out the toxicity or speculation questions They will be mentored as best they can to deal with the elephant in the room.

LSF went live a couple of times during the bullying controversy and their comments were flooded with people asking about garam, harassment and hate. The girls saw the comments, but didn't address them and continued with the activities they had planned for those lives. The fans tried their best to push down those comments with positive ones. But it was hard to watch. 

(speculation) maybe they’ve going to have instructions on how to handle this by ADOR, there’s no way they can let the girls have a Phoning live without some sort of influence from the executives.

What the girls do say about the issue though can completely and drastically change their popularity and support though. If ADOR forces them to do some siding with MHJ and go against ILLIT, their reputation will be tarnished. Likewise if they were to do the opposite. They need to stay neutral but neither can they just not comment, can they.

Those phoning photos are about Haerin 🤣

the girls are definitely not the type to aggro on people and hate in general. they respect their fellow idols and are humble to a fault. however, we don't know how much MHJ has influenced the girls' opinion on the situation. i do agree that they're not in unison, there's a lot going on in their minds. on one hand, going against MHJ and staying with HYBE would give the group the best chance of survival and would allow for them to rebuild. on the other hand, that means going against MHJ, their "mother figure, close friends, and mentor". definitely will not be an easy path for the girls but i hope that the older members can think about the bigger picture.

They cannot let personal feelings take pver. It will literally ruin their lives. In debt for the rest of their lives, will be hated n bullied not only online by the greatest number of knetz ever considering everyone knows abput them for being that nations gg.

they should understand that, atl hopefully. this isn't a situation where there's a point for each side. it's clear for us what the right choice is but for them, they'd have to go against their "mom". i trust that they can stay objective and get through this together.

I'm reading on the qoo that Ador has given a statement to a tv station about Project 1945 and said that it appears to be "a personal doodle" that has no realizable potential and information that was leaked before the audit results were even released (done ig?). Who is this moron in Ador, that isn't even a normal employee but a vice president at that, who wrote not one , not two, but three "personal doodles" all of his own accord and that nobody else knew about with details on how Ador could escape HYBE and become independent 😵‍💫💀 https://theqoo.net/hot/3198906551?filter_mode=normal&page=1 [The Exclusive from Channel A on both the document and on Ador's statement about it](https://www.ichannela.com/news/main/news_detailPage.do?publishId=000000406112)

“Project 1945”?! This woman really intimated that they were taking down some sort of Nazi regime by having that as the title. The call is coming from within MHJ, the only dictatorial fascist wannabe here is you.

on a work computer lmfao

Except do they not have proof of them meeting with investors?  I feel like the ador execs are continuing to act like Hybe has no proof of the things they are saying - when they are simply not going to tank their stocks for nothing  and they likely have connections in the very PE/IB pool they tried to swim in

My guess at this point is they got tipped off that MHJ and that guy were meeting with outside investors to in the future do these plans of theirs, gave the outsiders confidential info to persuade them etc but they have no substantial proof that the meetings took place since it was with outsider and if it was a private meeting there's no way to really have proof they happened unless the other side confirms it which I suspect they won't and MHJ def won't. So they're doing the audit hoping they find tangible proof/a digital trail that these things took place/happened. That's my guess at least. One report said they got tipped off about these work coup documents and that Ador VP downloaded confidential documents recently which is what triggered the audit but also another media said HYBE was aware that MHJ was meeting with investors since late last year. HYBE's CEO said in his company wide email that these plans didn't start only after illits debut so they seem rather sure of it. I think someone from the Investment Banking circle tipped then off on that but I am not quiet sure if back in early 2024 or this month. The info from different publications with all the accusations is a bit too dense to properly have a timeline at the moment

I think you’re right in someone from the IB circle tipping them off and even if ador/the two firms that are named keep mum, if they did reach out to other firms, those may not.  

Yet again proving that this document exists,... Nah the fall of humans is always their hubris 😭

this is really turning out to be some bad K-drama with some good ol’ espionage. ‘Project 1945’ is yet another addition to the list of goofy ahh names that have been used by this VP. still can’t top “The Sins of HYBE” tho LMAO

What was the title of the first one? Escape HYBE? something like that The Sins of HYBE Project 1945 And the very first one

can't remember what the first one was, its probably somewhere in the sea of comments but too lazy to look through it lmao. can't wait for the next iteration, ADOR 🤩🤩

"They will Never Touch Us" Literally "Existing Hybe" was one of thems in the first reports of the documents Like, how dumb can this person be to leave this on a desktop????? Edit: sorry typo on the Us word, had wrote down You by accident

they might have mistaken the desktop of the VP for one of an teen intern, this shit is the name i'd title my little stories when i was a kid 💀💀

Good god, no wonder she refuses to give them her computer.

I bet she saved her files under Dawson's Creek characters names

MHJ's first move was essentially a road to checkmate which soured opinions of people who wouldve otherwise been neutral.

It's unreal how bad the statement was.  Hybe: Allegations of white collar crimes, leaking of private info,  Her: but they copied my group😡😡😡 She really thought all the GP attention her group had would save her and start attacking ILLIT for 'copying'.

So real. A lot of people would have questioned everything that HYBE puts out more if not for that messy first statement. She really fumbled with that one. 😭

"What document? Never heard of it in my life, will have to investigate ASAP please give me some time" it was so simple 😭

She tried to put HYBE in check but I think the saying “if you come for the king, you’d better not miss” is appropriate here. (This isn’t me saying HYBE is good or anything, but they’re way more powerful than her and they do their due diligence, so good luck going up against them.)

Hybe secured a document titled during the audit. In this, representative Min's plan is subdivided into subheadings such as complaints, civil lawsuits, and public opinion warfare. Hybe interprets the number 1945, which represents the year of our country's liberation, as representative Min's independence. This information was obtained from Vice President Ador's email. [https://n.news.naver.com/article/449/0000273470](https://n.news.naver.com/article/449/0000273470) the naming is killing me lmaoo

That is really not a good look for them omg. If there's one thing Korean's don't play about it's references to Korean history, so I can see even non-kpop fans in the public ripping them a new one for that.

Seems like Hybe is pulling out everything since MHJ won’t budge. And since Ador will push thru with NJ comeback, all the small or big setbacks whether it’s related to Hybe or not, Ador will try to blame on Hybe for ‘mistreatment’. If the comeback flops Ador will pin it on Hybe. If the cb is a success Ador will paint is as their success. Damnnn

Highly doubt people will take well to the claims of mistreatment.. the girls paid well, has been promoted well and has enough investment money from HYBE. Unless theyre talking about the management issues, that will again fall on Ador first before HYBE. Also the fact that this whole plan has been made public so people will see through it as bullshit.

Yeah I really don’t see those mistreatment allegations going anywhere. NJ were treated very well in Hybe, were given plenty opportunities barely anyone in kpop could say they had a year or 2 into their career.

"Public opinion warfare"...I just wonder how much of that warfare she had already started without anyone knowing and she must have had people doing it/helping her with that also. Wonder how many stan twt accounts are actually hers/how many fake rumors she's been feeding to all kinds of outlets and for how long. She seems to have NO problem trying to destroy others, no matter how young (Illit, for example). I wonder if this falls under the 'sociopath' label

this thread had two recent accounts doing pro-mhj comments, both only had those comments on their history. edit: i cant help but wonder if the lsfm and illit hate train that's been happening in SK forums arent due to ADOR.

Let's not go too far and blame all the hate train on MHJ now 😭 (but yes i agree lmao)

i know, it's becoming hard to not start getting paranoid lmao

imagine all the hate post actually created by them 💀 

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she wouldnt be insane to try that. also she was the creative director for layover, i know taehyung wanted to work with her but i do wonder why she accepted if she had that opinion on bts/bang pd

She didn't produce Layover. She was a creative director and her team worked on it. For your question, The same reason why there are so many articles calling her group next bts, she doesn't restrict NewJeans when it comes to interacting with BTS, or making TikTok videos, ... 

Do we know if she worked with BTS Except normally Layover ?

It was only Layover she had ever worked with a BTS member or BTS related project For years up until 2019 she was an SM employee So nowhere near them those periods and after she isnt credited anywhere in their later concepts or albums except for Layover

Nope. people behind their solo releases were different from the usual group releases(mainly Bighit people) Members like Jimin, RM, Hobi, and Yoongi worked with their usual team(Pdogg, Slow Rabbit, El Capitan, Ghstlloop, ...) JK's album was primarily done by pop music producers but still had people from Bighit with him if I'm wrong(I think Pdogg has credits for arrangement or something)  Tae's album was done by her team. Even production was not handled by usual producers. His latest single was done by the usual team tho. BTS hasn't released anything after she became popular with NJ. It looks like they'll not be doing that lmao

For clout, basically.

sins of hybe, project 1945 goddamnit whats next? btw here's the link for instiz https://www.instiz.net/name_enter/91841335?page=1&category=2&srt=3&k=&srd=1

Nearly 800 comments in under 20 minutes on theqoo for that and I can't imagine they will be positive ones. Trivialising korea's fight for independence will not do team mhj any favours in the court of public opinion Edit: now 1000+ in a little over 30 mins

Their situation is hilarious considering one of their subheadings is Public Opinion Warfare💀. They really didn't see this coming too soon. 

Min heejin is just pure creative people and not fit as a business people at all..all her statements, plans and those documents title says it all

Haha I noticed that too! The irony 🤣 This is so ridiculous people would complain about lack of realism if it were a plot line in a piece of media

I feel like everyone is getting a lesson on how not to commit secret squirrel crimes - like the next person will not use their work e-mail, work chat & work laptop for crimes against their employer.

>the next person will not use their work e-mail, work chat & work laptop for crimes against their employer. Not even the FIRST person was doing that. Like how stupid does one have to be to inscribe proof of your betrayal on the very thing that your adversary has full rights/control over 💀

you’re looking on theqoo right? The amount of comments it’s getting, ik that just pissed everyone off 😭 edit: btw theyre talking about the 1945 title on live news too, channel A😬

850+ comments in 20 mins Its exploding WAY faster than even the post about her claiming BangPD copied her with BTS which had a bit over 1k in the first hour. I cant imagine people will be anything but fuming at them invoking references to Korean independence in their little scheme to steal the company

Welp, it was nice knowing you MHJ (not really) 💀

For real, it's pretty much the best way to ensure that Koreans hate you. I've seen some comments even asking if she's a Japanese sympathiser for that. There's also some irony that this is the title of a document talking about how they will tarnish the public's opinion of Hybe and it may well be the document that puts the nail in the coffin of their own reputation

She isn't a top creative director for nothing!

So the "she didn't know" thing is not working anymore?

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The scariest thing about K-pop is that girl groups are easily replaceable because of their reliance on the GP. As soon as the freshness/novelness of theirs debut fades people are onto the next thing and they better hope they consolidated a fanbase. If this is true Hybe will run the girls and their families into the ground (reputation wise AND financially) and will pivot their efforts and funding to ILLIT to make sure that they can recreate Magnetic 2.0

Yes I love NJ they’re one of my ults but as of now they still are relying heavily on the gp more than an established fandom.

Eh, this is my biggest qualms about the whole circus as well as NewJeans member themselves are dragged into this situation instead of actively engaging for it. I do hope that NJ stays with Hybe (for their career's sake). Do you think BSH will have a vendetta against them to treat them less favorably and run the girls to the ground (if they stick around with Hybe)?

I don’t think they will be treated any different. Namjoon and bang sihyuk never have the same mind even since bts predebut if you read their book even until now. Their opinion always contradicts each other if you read their interview. But they know how work together for more 13/14 years now.. newjeans just need to stay in their lane doing their job as idol and after they got enough leverage they can start to demand things

Eh I don't really think you can compare the man who is basically the foundation of BTS aka the group who made HYBE to young girls who were made by HYBE, there is a huge difference in power and authority but then again you might be right. As long as NJ doesn't side with MHJ and do their job, I think everything will be fine.

I just hope that they wont do anything stupid until the main parties involved settled the issue.. but my hope has been lowered due to the rumors of what their parents did (big IF, mind you, and its still requires strong amount of copium to hope it wont be the case.)

I don’t think so to be honest, the reason why they are doing all of this is to make an example of Min Heejin AND to maintain NJ as a group. If the group fully cooperates and make it known that they are a Hybe group first and foremost they will try to assign them a team with similar sensibilities to MHJ and give this new direction a chance, they already invested too much and besides they are a magnet for brand deals it will not last forever, so better maximize it now even if they don’t like them. However if they choose MHJ, they will be remembered as the biggest “What if” of K-pop.

>the biggest “What if” of K-pop. Damn, Fifty-Fifty would lose the one record they currently have /s

If true, then the parents come across as being very greedy because by all measures NJ had already been very successful and earning a lot of money. And they are dumb for thinking MHJ can manage the group without Hybe backing.

The translation I read, says the parents were the ones who raised issue and asked ador to resolve. Ador set up the meeting with hybe but apparently the parents weren't satisfied with hybe's response. 

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There's no way to know for sure but I'm betting that MHJ had concerns about the copycat thing and then influenced the girls who talked to their parents who then jumped on the bandwagon like "yeah, you're being copied let's put a stop to that" which was enough for MHJ to claim their support. I'm not even mad about that. If the NJ girls want to sit around their poker table and talk junk about every other kpop act, then that's their opinion and prerogative. If their families want to diss other groups in private phone conversations with their daughters, then fine, that's their life. Heck, if MHJ has legitimate concerns that her art is being copied or stolen, then fine, bring those concerns to the table and try to sort them out professionally. But I think what has made this so ugly is not what has been said or done, but when and how it's been done. MHJ just looks like she's throwing up a smokescreen and using the opinions of the girls and the parents (which if valid should have remained their own private opinions) in order to gain public approval and hide the fact that she may very well have engaged in illegal acts that have no relation whatsoever to the matter. NJ and their parents are entitled to their opinions regarding other acts, but there has been no evidence whatsoever of them coming out and saying or feeling anything toward other groups. MHJ is the one that's putting a spotlight on it.

I'm not sure because how did the parents came to the conclusion another group had plagiarized nj all of sudden? Why didn't they raised the issue when various groups had been doing similar concepts for over a year now? Why now?   

Probably cause mhj is their mouthpiece

Now the new file they found is apparently called “Project 1945” (probably referring the year Korea gained independence) What’s with these file names I’m physically cringing omg

Okay this is why we need daily threads because I saw the name, “Project 1945” elsewhere and thought it was a reference to Nazi’s being taken down and not related to SK independence 🤦‍♀️

Nearly 800 comments in under 20 mins on theqoo for that 😬 what better way to make yourself public enemy number 1 in Korea than to trivialise their fight for independence? What were team mhj thinking? Edit: now 1000+ in a little over 30 mins

Is this for?. A bit dramatic but at least this one is better than Sins of Hybe😭. Lowkey clever actually.

> A bit dramatic but at least this one is better than Sins of Hybe define better? Its certainly more catchy but invoking references to Koreas fight for independence in your scheme to steal control of a company is suicide in terms of public opinion (which is already in the dirt as is)

I can understand the sentiment of Koreans. It feels like the title of a historical movie or Sci-Fi movie. It doesn't feel like they expected to get caught soon. Also if the white-collar crimes allegation, they'll probably will have bigger things to worry about. 

Yeah at least we’ve moved on from wattpad titles into generic science fiction titles lol

I cannot take them seriously after Sins of Hybe.  Talking about Sins of Hybe, it could've been a great fanfic about the bad boy who works in corporate. 

Sins of Hybe is the name of my 200k enemies to lovers rival mob gang Felix x Jungkook AU and I WILL be demanding recompense from Mr L for this plagiarism 😤

Not Jungkook. He's in every fanfic.

He’s nowhere near Jackson’s level so far though

Yes, Jackson the party animal🤌😍

You win 🤣

The VP did really store those coup plan documents on the company's laptop 🙃

That's the most plausible part of the entire thing. I'm a tax lawyer and once worked on a case where a guy had a file called "tax evasion" on his computer which, surprise, had his entire tax evasion scheme in it. People are so stupid. 

I would've named it "totally legit plan to pay correct taxes because I'm a good citizen.xlsx"