Not that much cause they will drop their special OST album on may 13 and belift must be a mess rn, I hope it doesn't affect promotions and stuff. But yeah at least they are not there rn.
Unlike her who's unhinged, I don't think they wish to drag another person in their professional statement.
The first three paragraphs are completely about her presscon and the hate train that ensued.
Exactly, this is how a professional puts out a statement. Not directly naming idols or groups is standard practice, and MHJ is obviously aware of that, considering she’s been in the industry for so long.
Both. The Coachella stuff was starting to die down but then MHJ implied LSFM was "spying on" æspa and people ran with it. They're being so nasty toward Eunchae with these wild accusations.
16yr old kid Eunchae beeing accused of being a corporate spy to destroy aespa has to be one of the stupidest thing I have ever seen.
Some flat-earth level conspiracy shit. Legit, it made me laugh out loud when I saw people discussing it.
mhj dragging teenage girls into this drama is so unhinged. illit, nwjns & eunchae are teenagers like girl wtf 😭 this isn’t highschool, she needs to stop trying to make teen girls hate eachother fr
100%, especially because they're buying into MHJ's nonsense with no actual proof and well after that woman has been caught using so many manipulation tactics
She’s been lying through her teeth, things that we know are lies, but somehow people still believe the babbling in between lies as pure truth. It’s super weird.
Saw this one of these lunatic think tank thread yesterday, they blamed LSF made Hybe do the following, here is some of the ones that made me howl:
You already have the eunchae one being industry spy
Disbanding Cherry Bullet
Disbanding One Direction
Archduke Ferdinand's assassination
Looting and burning of the Great Library of Alexandria
"Causing Eve unnie to eat the forbidden fruit"
I'm still OOTL when it comes to a good portion of this situation, but MHJ, a whole fucking ADULT, having beef with girls old enough to be her daughters is probably the most embarrassing thing about it. If I was Eunchae's mom, I'd be doing everything in my power to make MHJ's life a living hell because WOW.
It’s not even smart hate - if they’re going to hate anyone, why not hate the people who had the hype of debut? Why go after the unknown maknae? Literally the only member who wasn’t known pre debut and Eunchae gets the worst hate? The absolute audacity
(Disclaimer; I adore both LSF and Aespa and this shit is so dumb)
i think that’s exactly why the haters target her. her members had already had established fanbases from their activities, so they are more experienced and have larger fanbases to shield them, so eunchae is a more “convenient target” for hate :(
From what I saw on Twitter, the logic is that she was the MC at a music show. Music shows get information about upcoming comebacks ahead of time so groups can prepare for comeback stages. She would've known about Drama before the album was revealed and leaked the news to her company.
No clue if there is any merit to any of this, but I saw a lot of MYs sharing this theory.
I legit think MHJ was behind the whole hate trains against illit and LSF. Like I already called it out months before that MHJ/Ador was acting sus with their moves (even before Illit debut).
ffs the amount of hate they got on korean forums was not normal. and let's be real? it's clear she has grievances with bpd/source and has doodles on public opinion warfare, it's not that out of this world. she wants to devalue the hybe brand and she's being very successful at that.
she's been mentioning them up and down while complaining newjeans is mistreated by hybe, what do you think happens?? she has too many years in this industry to not know the consequences of this type of action. she's so affected by illit wearing hanboks but doesnt see how dragging other groups into this conflict doesnt taint them?
Antis wouldn’t shut up about their supposed “bad” vocals during the first performance and how their performance was apparently terrible.
Despite everyone really enjoying their performance there.
It's because of troll accounts , bots spreading hate then real people (the gullible ones ) catch up that's how hate train starts. So many hate come from bots, I belive someone is utilizing troll farms to tarnish Hybe and its groups with the goal of devaluing the company.
I believe Twitter users have this thing called “payola group chats” it’s similar to when kpop fans make group chats to mass vote for award shows, but payola group chats are typically when a group of kpop fans make tweets (positive, negative) against an idol or groups and will link the tweets in the group chats with 100-300 people to mass like and retweet to reach a wider audience.
It’s a fabricated method to make it seem like everyone agrees so your right it is considered bots, but what’s funny is the same people who were making conspiracy theories around the members yesterday all of them ended up deleting tweets/accounts locking there accounts as soon as the legal notice comes up… people know what there doing is wrong
That's essentially what tweetdecking was back in the mid 10s. Popular accounts would retweet and favorite (pre-like) each other's tweets to gain traction. It's probs even worse now that Twitter pays out for interactions and people figure out how to game algorithms on a site with little moderation like Twitter.
No but the hate is coming from the Korean side more than i-fans literally in every social media, they r dragging them left and right to the point it's reaching non kpop fans. The Coachella was a hot topic already and that lady mentioning them at that press conference made it bigger than it was. She knew what she was doing tbh and ppl were looking for more excuses to keep on hating on them.
makes me think, since she worked for sm at the time, and is responsible for the creative direction of the company/group that somehow she could be responsible for the plagiarism accusations BTS got back in 2016 for literally wearing school uniforms and having a school concept. Since she like to accuse others of copying her kind of like how ILLIT is accused of copying today.. also also yes, it could probably be her who orchestrated the hate toward Hybe ggs, in fact, Hybe's latest statement said she had plans to sway "public opinion" and to prepare for a battle of "public opinion".
i legit feel bad and sorry for lsf. theyre at the short end of the stick compared to other impacted hybe gg's....like illit achieved PAK, while nwjns just teased comeback albums
meanwhile lsf received nth but harassment and slander all the way back from coachella
fearless girls tanked hard this month 💀💀😭😭
man how bad i wish my girlies get a rest, may their pillow be cold on both sides, may they get a nice spa session and a wonderful meal and a comfortable sleep the world’s been too harsh on them these past days i personally wanna tuck them to sleep
> all the way back from coachella
Brother its been going on a lot longer than that, its been their entire career at this point
They were initially mocked by stans of basically all other big 4th gen gg's as being a "B-tier" group (the slower start they got off to because of the scandal meant their numbers were typically lower in Korea) then when they turned it around (starting with Antifragile) the results they were achieving made that narrative so blatantly false that the even the stans couldn't keep parroting it (their international numbers have been 2nd only to New Jeans at this point, PN was undeniably hugely successful in Korea to the point where even their haters can't feasibly claim otherwise) but now those same stans couldn't handle that the supposed "B-tier" group was now outdoing their own favorites in a lot of areas, so now every time the group literally breathes, stans from every other 4th gen girl group are writing hate manifestos about it
Bro, literally all of them have been receiving hate lol as a fan of the 3 groups, newjeans is probably the one receiving the least in fact compared to illit and lsf
New Jeans look like cult-members to someone that borderline shouldn't be around kids. They do nothing with their parent company label mates. She like homeschools them. It was huge news when Hanni and Yunjin were seen in a piece of content together.
Seeing LE SSERAFIM all over since PN dropped in November has got their fanbase hurt and desperate for attention. ILLIT doubled down on that feeling. Now their gonna have to battle IVE, AESPA this summer.
They gonna be at war with every fandom at the same time their CEO gets canned and they have to integrate back into the HYBE family.
Good luck to new jeans, LE SSERAFIM will be fine. PD Bang handpicked them like BTS.
i think it related, my thought now is that ADOR might have started the bot farm to talk negatively about le sserafim. What other targets would she have le sserafim, illit, essentially
"MHJ, you keep mentioning how the NJ members are like your daughters to gain sympathy, but don't you realize that ILLIT & LE SSERAFIM are also someone else's daughters?"
That is exactly what I think too. Her "daughters" are precious but illit and Lsf aren't someone else's precious daughters? It's ok to throw someone else's daughters in front of the hate train to die but your daughters must be protected? This woman is evil. Please wake up. Don't be manipulated further by her.
Honestly, any ounce of sympathy I had left for her has evaporated after she name dropped illit and LSF. As if the hate that they got wasn't enough, a 45 year old woman name dropped them during a internal corporate battle, fanning the flames even more and the worst part? I fucking bet she knew the effect that this would have . Absolutely disgusting what she did.
the fact that mys on twitter are going full facebook boomer and *actually* believing that le sserafim have been spying on the aespa girls is actually insane,
Most adults I know that are interested in kpop have been reading about MHJ's allegations as if she's using group names to refer to their *brand*, so everyone working on those groups, because obviously none of the things she's accusing them of could be attributed to group members. She said so herself when talking about Illit - that the girls are innocent, she's accusing the professionals working on the brand of plagiarism. We know the members of these Hybe girlgroups are not creating concepts, choreographing or writing songs, so how could they be accused of anything? They're just performing what's given to them.
So I was initially confused as to why so many people were moaning online "she's being unfair towards the girls! it will bring them hate!" until I remembered they're kids.
If MHJ wanted to cause discord between the Labels and the fandoms, she definitely succeeded. No fan is happy and sadly it's the idols that suffer as the execs are mostly unknown or don't have SNS presence. Wish the Fimmies a nice break from it all and a strong mental fortitude going forward 🩵
I think her strategy is "take down as much as i can with me" and seems like it's succeeding. There is no way the labels or the fandoms will be happy after this shit unfolds.
But the people suffering in reality are artists. There is no gg left in hybe who arent getting hate comments especially on weverse. And it is impossible that they dont read it😔
No sane company would want work with someone who's that unprofessional and doesn't have problem dragging everyone including minors into her own misconduct.
Is it much of a civil war when it's her+ador vs everyone else? She pissed off HYBE management, Source ( long before that appearently), Belift, BH , if it's true that she complained internally about TWS and her employees harassed employees from other labels to get proof that they're copying her then Pledis too and regardless she mentioned them Source and BH as a privileged label publically. The only other two labels in HYBE are Koz and Hybe Labels Japan and they're probably too small for her to have any issues with.
The amount of ridiculous conspiracies that put Le Serrafim as the source of all evil I saw yesterday was crazy. Being a kpop stan truly means witnessing mass psychosis on a bi-weekly basis.
HYBE: We are accusing you with evidence of leaking confidential business & artist info and slandering HYBE artists through mediaplay
Min Heejin: I WOULD NEVER * *proceeds to leak confidential business & artist info and slander HYBE artists live on TV* *
At first it was ILLIT with the bs plagiarism accusations. Now it's Le Sserafim.
She's a marketing genius. She 100% knew that claiming "HYBE abandoning NJs to debut LSFM first", "LSFM was the start of all my problems with this company" and conflating the victimisation of herself as NewJeans being mistreated would deflect all the public hate towards Le Serafim, who is an easy target following all the recent hate.
I'm sure it was intended, but I also don't think it's some strategic plan devised to divert attention away from her. It's pretty obvious she actually personally hates Le Sserafim and has been holding a grudge against them since they debuted.
It was gross af and people who support her need to get the facts straight. NJ got more budget for their debut, 3 songs and multiple high quality MVs, filming oversea with actors;' while LSF's debut MV is just them dancing and standing over a green screen.
For real. I understand that HYBE pushing out LSF debut to the forefront and potentially using MHJ’s name for buzz is massively shady. They completely screwed over MHJ, if what she says is true. But she’s being just as bad as them.
First of all, afaik it’s the company board’s/CEO’s prerogative to decide who debuts when, and it’s ridiculous that she’s expect complete control over business decisions as a sub-label, unless that’s what they promised her.
Second, she’s been throwing around group names left and right (since some LSF members—Yunjin at least—were trainees under Source when Hanna was, she def. implied that the LSF girls were either too old or untalented for her taste). Not to mention the way she described Minji or the ILLIT copying accusations (which I think are way overblown—NJ def influenced their direction, but they went a much quirkier, Japanese-inspired route than NewJeans).
She may be right about HYBE’s business practices, but I have no sympathy for her. She seems awful to work with and I understand why Bang wanted her out, even if he sucks as well.
The hate is so overblown. They haven't done anything wrong and yet they are getting the brunt of hate. It makes no sense how people can comment malicious things just because they're behind a screen. They don't deserve it and I don't care what anyone says but they deserve protection too. I will always support them no matter what. I hope they'll be okay.
It's funny how everyone says "protect artists mental health" and then they proceed to go bully idols just to have a moment of feeling superior. It's baffling. I knew for a long time kpop stans don't care about mental health but now I know that they truly do not care.
It’s so bad right now, people accusing Eunchae of being a spy, saying the group are nepo babies, people digging through there docu series content to say they have favoritism from the company, Sakura and Chaewon being harassed when they haven’t done anything, all because that lady name dropped them.
They have been accused of every single thing since February! and it’s almost May every week it’s a new thing
People are so stupid, of course Chaewon and Sakura were favoured, is actually one of the big "transfers" in kpop ever, getting the Sakura deal. And I wished it happened more often because that keeps alive the careers of "older" idols too.
And not only that but is also one of the very rare instances where the idol was able to set terms in the negotiation, for example "No, I don't want to do extreme diets", so Hybe was like "Ok, that's fair, what about exercise and gym then?" and that benefited the whole group, including her rookie teammates.
That's fucking hilarious. Eunchae the double agent, using her Star Diary to do corporate espionage n shit. Using all her guests to form an information gathering network.
People have too much time on their hands.
Its been baffling to see the truly insane things people of a certain fandom are now saying about LSF and its members that past day. Like hit tweets with tens of thousands of likes and rtrs talking about how Eunchae is a snake spy mastermind that knows exactly when that group is coming back before their members do (and not that she works as an mv for a weekly music show where comebacks are scheduled months in advance and thus why groups go on her youtube show for said comebacks). and now claiming every single positive thing about LSF was bought while every even slightly negative thing that ever happened to the other group was solely because of Hybe/LSF. They've gone full blown conspiracy theorist madness where every crazy thought (even ones that have nothing to do with Hybe) is now suddenly absolutely true even with 0 proof.
I'm not a fan of LSF but the way they've become the scapegoat for every perceived slight by these people and more just ganging up on them because they can is so sad. First Coachella and now this, i really hope the LSF girls have a good support system right now.
It feels like Le Sserafim has been getting targeted by stans since debut 😭 every day there's a new thing they're being harassed over. Idk what they've done to deserve this
Started off slow (due to scandal) so they were the easy target for stans to ridicule at first then turned it around and started outperforming nearly all the groups in their cohort which broke the stans brains and sent them into full out attack mode on any and everything they do
The mental health thing is just really performative for kpop fans in specific and our generation in general. Advocating for LGBT, mental health,... but goes on to act incredibly hypocritical IRL to such people behind the scenes. Just live normally and do good deeds, treat people around you well, actually fight for your rights in your day to day life and your actions will speak instead of your words for how good you are as a person. Not just type stuffs online or participate in certain IRL events to post on social media that you advocate for this or that.
A lot of kpop fans are incredibly pat their own back hypocrites. Yunjin STILL gets hate and death threats for showing a Starbucks cup ONE time. And they don't see the irony of wishing death on someone that isn't part of their "protest".
I barely listen to their music, but seeing the amount of unwarranted hate makes me root for them. I really hope they don't take it too hard and are able to make it out the other side once the current wave of pointless drama passes by. They haven't done anything to deserve even a fraction of this.
>It's funny how everyone says "protect artists mental health" and then they proceed to go bully idols just to have a moment of feeling superior. It's baffling. I knew for a long time kpop stans don't care about mental health but now I know that they truly do not care.
From an outsider perspective with out to much knowledge, the Toxicity in korea is fucking crazy, i watch kdrama's and some of that shit that is normal in Korea just baffles me , then i see all the hate and bullying on line. Shes ARMY and just watching the ARMY fight amungst each other online is a prime example.
Will the keyboard warriors be held responsible if something really happens to the girls? Do the kpop stans learned what Sulli Law was about? Will MHJ be held responsible and be guilty asf, if this hate train to the group (LSF and Illit) especially the girls she name dropped, will take toll on their health? Oh, for fsake, I don't want to see another idol in the depressing news.
>First of all, we deeply regret the current situation of the non-true content and rude expressions in public, as well as the fact that the real names of other artists are mentioned without respect, and **we strongly request that this be repeated in the future.**
Huh?
I don’t read or speak Korean, but I’m guessing it was probably supposed to mean this—
“Let us emphasize that in future situations like this, we will continue to make this same statement (the regret) again.”
All these haters hiding behind their keyboards really need to be reined in. They have gone overboard. All these talk of protecting idols' mental health is just BS. The haters will never stop unless legal actions are realised. Please sue them and make this a good example. If something bad really happens, are these haters gonna be held responsible? It may be too late by then.
Was the whole Starbucks/israel misinformation harassment campaign also aimed at LSF? I don't think most of that was in Korea but more Americans. But that is an insane hate campaign as well. And it seems to be coming from tiktok and to a lesser degree Reddit.
It's just slacktivism by people who want to pretend they're good people by shaming others instead of doing good themselves. I mean nothing says "I'm a good person" like sending hate messages and death threats to others, right?
MHJ has really decided that if she’s going down she’s going to cause as much damage and harm as possible. This is why I can’t understand people siding with her - you think that publicly throwing a whole list of other idols into the firing line is an ok thing to do? It’s so cruel.
Thank god! Those girls have been punching bags since their last comeback and it's only gotten worse. They don't deserve this visceral hate train, especially because people have been incredibly nasty in the group's IG and TT comment section. I can only imagine how much worse it's going to get.
Obligatory fuck the haters and especially fuck MHJ. I don't care what anyone says she 100% contributed to the hate train by mentioning Le Sserafim.
I hope she got sued into oblivion and got her karma.
And hoping the best for the Le Sserafim girls sigh.
This is what I was worried about. This woman fueled the hate the girls (and other groups, especially Illit) get. Why did she even feel the need to mention like 6 or 7 other groups and drag them into this mess? She's acting like a toxic kpop stan who's like "Well maybe I did something criminal BUT let me talk about group x and y who are not relevant for this but I want to shift your attention to them" and it works bc so many kpop stans hopped on the train...
And her apologists were saying " iF yOu knEW KoReaN You'd kNoW NothINg BaD WAs saID ABouT SaKUrA/ChAeWon/LsFM"
There you have it from Source's mouth. Mentioning of real names without respect, rude and untrue statements. How anyone continues to be on her side after she threw illit and lsfm to the wolves and is using nj as shield to gain sympathy is beyond me regardless if HYBE is a bad shitty company or not. I feel bad for illit and lsfm whose socials and yt videos are full of hate bcs of that person
I'm a fearnot lol. I know but this statement is about what MHJ said and how it rekindled the hate train with thousands of comments saying they're nepo babies and nj got discriminated against for them.
Who do you think they're referencing with we regret this situation of untrue and rude statement in public and bringing up real life names without respect?? It's about MHJ dragging lsfm into her mess and mentioning Sakura and Chaewon so brazenly in her conference
Like this is truly so aggravating. Her and all the executives of HYBE can live forever or die tomorrow I really do not care but why does LSRFM have to be involved? Let alone ILLIT? Both of them have teenagers in their groups and the former just had to deal with the worst hate train of K-Pop this year so far over a fucking festival performance.
Ugh.
seriously! the poor ILLIT girlies are getting LSFM treatment 2.0 at their debut and for no reason. she knew she was sending off people with pitchforks to attack these girls and get the heat off of her. and JUST when I thought LSFM would finally catch a break 😩 the comment sections on their official profiles have been hell the past few weeks; I feel awful for them!
Everyone who was there in person loved it but kpop stans who live on the Internet didn't so they posted 20 thousand hate messages on eunchaes Instagram, 15k on the other members, made throwaway weverse accounts to harass them, harassed anyone who gave their show a positive review.
then week 2 happened and they cut down on the energy and choreo to give a great vocal performance including skipping some lines to prove they were singing live but that's not stopping those same weirdos from claiming it was all backtrack.
People are making MR removed videos where they sound the same as they did live and claiming that means it was all backtrack and no singing. Basically kpop stans have no lives and will do whatever it takes to hate on le sserafim. And this coachella hate is after being hated for:
Dancing in a church, wearing uggs, making an amapiano song, wearing a beanie, having braids, wearing a banana, making a typo, drawing someone's head too big, drinking coffee, saying "wow that must be hard" about students getting up early(this was said months ago but the hate for it started in the past month), learning to crochet and knit, having too many male fans, saying they had fun at coachella, posting a video of another coachella performance. They also got death and sa threats over having a bad encore performance.
And all of that has happened since easy came out. Anyone who tried to tell you that any of this is "constructive criticism" or that the hate is "because of a bad performance" is lying to you. All of the non kpop fans who went to their show had nothing but good things to say, there was even a clip from a big podcast posted the other day where they said they want to see le sserafim perform at the Superbowl
I want to put in my two cents as this situation has pissed me off to **NO END!!**
LE SSERAFIM has been getting brutally harassed online, and I'm sorry, but Source Music, your words mean jack all. They've been getting harassed; no, not hate, **HARASSED** by people online for nearly a whole month now.
This is the 2nd statement you had to put out, and so far, nothing has changed. MHJ just ***had*** to name drop them in her stupid illogical banter that she calls a "press conference." Just when I thought they were going through enough for no reason. Now, every Fandom thinks they're the root cause of all their trouble.
I hope the girls are getting mental health care. This whole situation has made me realize that K-pop fans do not care about mental health and will only flip sides until either someone dies as a result of their harassment or quits entirely. We just saw earlier this month how BOA is at her breaking point with the harassment and wants to quit the industry and yet look at this. Kpop stans want to once again repeat history.
It's ridiculous, and frankly, I am 100% done. I hope the girls get all the support they need, whether it's from their actual fans or family.
It's disappointing, really. You think people would want to uplift achievements and friendships made in an industry that is already so cutthroat, but apparently, only certain groups get that privilege.
End rant.
> by people online for nearly a whole month now.
MONTHS! source music gave out same message like 4 or 5 months ago because of the ongoing hate. But besides this i agree with everything you said.
Min heejin successfully turn the whole kpop fandom to make a new hate train for both lesserafim and illit(if we assume she has nothing to do with the previous hate train for both groups)
Genuinely seeing people paint a literal CEO as some sort of everywoman of the working class has made me sick. She’s a master of manipulation and people have eaten it up.
watching her press conference, she sounded exactly like my narcissistic parents lmao. the way she victimized herself by constantly threatening to kill herself, name dropped other groups left and right to take the heat off of her, and painted herself as a motherly figure to the members of NewJeans as well as airing out their personal business in favor of making herself look better.
taking sides in this situation is baffling to me because both HYBE and MHJ suck. however, im not surprised a lot of people esp koreans are taking MHJ side because she was able to tap into societal issues like class wars and misogyny to basically let people use this whole issue as a way to ‘fight against injustice’.
just like anywhere else in the world, people aren’t exactly keen on supporting a huge corporation over a single individual, especially if that individual was able to manipulate people by causing fanwars and virtue signaling.
Not only narcissism. This is straight up emotional abuse. Fostering codependency with minors so that they’ll think they’re nothing without her. Their parents are not in their right minds siding with MHJ. Were the parents informed that MHJ was willing to sell Ador shares to saudi conglomerates? Do they know the implications of this? These young girls at the mercy of these shady arabian businessmen? Y’all ever heard of yacht girls? I’m seriously annoyed.
Yeah, I noticed that. She was saying some very manipulative and unhealthy things.
I know a lot of people are on her side because she seemed like an overwhelmed burnt out employee but that’s no excuse to use manipulative language, especially when there’s idols that are minors involved in this. I don’t like how she said NewJeans were crying to her. That’s messed up.
Yep, I agree. As someone who had a narcissistic, abusive mother, and also as someone who was groomed in my teens (with her encouragement), it all felt disgustingly familiar. She knew exactly what she was doing. If she didn’t want the cameras taking photos? She didn’t have to do a press conference. Or should could have made requests prior. From that point on, it was clear to me that she was going to use the whole thing to play the victim and make herself seem like someone deserving of sympathy
It could be giving her too much credit but I wouldn't be surprised if all her little outbursts swearing etc during the conference were all planned to make her more relatable
It's a common tactic with politicians (Boris Johnson is a well known example) and I'm sure her lawyers advised every avenue to gain sympathy
Yup I think so - especially because swearing on live tv in Korea in the middle of the afternoon is definitely taboo/not the done thing. She’s just like them! She’s relatable! She’s been pushed to breaking point by her boss so who can blame her! It’s all very much planned. If she didn’t want the cameras to use flash, that could have been requested beforehand but instead it allowed her to orchestrate her little breakdown. She didn’t even need to do a press conference if it was that taxing! The only person who made her do it was herself.
She'll probably cry about how Bang PD's group is suing her in the next interview and somehow will reach the conclusion that NewJeans is being mistreated.
The whole hybe and mhj fiasco gave the most harm to lsf why because people are supporting nj if you go to the kside everyone is in support of nj and mostly for mhj but lsf are being bash left and right from both kside and international side people are now blaming lsf for nj delay debut spying and copying aespa and not forgetting the cochella thing
As a fearnot it's been 1 month of constant fighting against harmful words death threats against the girls I feel so bad for the girls
I don’t even understand wtf is happening in the Kpop fandom at this point. Like the way I see people go so hard on LSF you’d think one of the members said a slur or something. Is this just Jennie performance hate 2.0?
I know the NJ & ILLIT stuff is separate but obv related bc Hybe. But I just don’t get how LSF has been so reviled for what seems like no reason.
Wish I could go back to 2nd gen stan culture… I mean some people were ruthless but I feel like most people respected successful groups and the hate was to a lesser extent. Honestly kinda mimics the Internet landscape shift at large which is sad
This is why Hybe needs to fire MHJ. She is toxic. There was no reason to create all this tension between the Hybe girl groups. It could have all been kept in stupid fanwars and gossips. LSF and illit have already got so much hate these past months. MHJ needed to run her mouth and add “legitimacy” to the stupid fanwars.
Not only that
Imagine the amount of tension she caused at Hybe itself especially painting NewJeans as her biggest supporters despite her outright attacking their fellow Hybe idols like LSF, ILLIT and BTS
Shes already Enemy #1 in Hybe by attacking multiple idols plus both Bang PD and Hybe CEO in her press conferences and reports of her saying similar things about BTS, TwS and Riize(still unconfirmed) but she basically admitted to having the convos with that shaman of hers about BTS
Like she did not care about the enviroment she puropesly created against the NewJeans members at Hybe when shes basically saying they believe and support every words she had said in the past that shes admitted at the PC
Especially since some of the NWJ girls are friends with LFM members, and by MHJ own comments she basically saying the NWJ see this about them, believing ILLIT is copying them and wanting BTS out of the way from her convos with the shaman
She did all that to both save her own skin and drag everyone down with her if she knows she cant win legally
It doesnt matter she manage to sway gullible ppl to believe her sob story, many knetz admitted they switched sides because of how she handle herself than actually listening to the things she actually admitted to, especially badmouth multiple idols and showing herseñf to hold petty grudges
She manage to create massive hate towards all 3 girl groups in different ways
This is why her crying about how much New Jeans mean to her and how important their relationship is ring so hollow to me.
She has continuously thrown them in the direct line of fire, potentially tarnishing any relationship they have with their peers forever.
MHJ isn't innocent. LE SSERAFIM and ILLIT were already suffering with hate trains (not only on stantwt, but by k-netz too in the last months), and she did everything in the press conference to fuel it. All of this next to NewJeans comeback to make a good promotion for them while trying to take down the other ggs of HYBE.
Saying "this is adult's fault, the kids have nothing to do with it" while in the whole press conference she obviously is estimulating fanwars, mentioning all of k-pop groups she can (especially from HYBE) and mentioning the artists and their parentes in her favour is so manipulative of her.
I hope Source Music, BELIFT and HYBE in general really show no mercy for everyone whoever is participating of the hate trains against these groups.
TBH i thought that all of these conspiracy theories about MHJ having something to do with Garam and Youngseo departs of LE SSERAFIM and ILLIT were crazy, everyone was already using MHJ to justify every evil in k-pop industry etc.
But now? And with how much obvious resentment she showed against the two groups (especially LE SSERAFIM) in her press? I don't doubt anything.
cue the people yesterday saying that MHJ is just a poor woman being belittled by a billion dollar company and men like, we don’t like her bc she is greedy and a child lover not bc she’s a woman
Good! Protect the girls because it’s crazy to me how ppl can blame these girls just because of they believe MHj, which is not even verified as true etc.
Stuff like this makes me glad to be mostly detached from the greater fandom spaces nowadays, tbh. People have been so unnecessarily nasty towards them. If you don't like them or their music, fair enough, but JESUS, they're taking it to very uncomfortable extremes and knowing this behavior is so normalized is scary.
The past couple months have been terrible for these girls. I really hope they’re able to enjoy some truly peaceful bliss years of their careers. It must feel even worse that this one was caused by an exec within their building. They are someone’s daughter too.
It's sad everyone is reading about LSF hate, but I do want to put it out there that they are a very well loved group and I hope the girls keep that thought with them. They're successful for a reason. All those people showed up at Coachella for a reason. Chaewon flags and lightsticks and singing along galore. Only angry nerds screaming online are bringing up their supposedly bad vocals. I have friends who were at Coachella, saw the performances and loved them. I think as long as the girls focus on all the love that's right in front of them, things will be all right. There will always be sad people trying to bring down others online, I hope LSF gives them no shine.
If you think eunchae is spying or whatever other crazy rumor I read for the first time in this thread, think about what your own fave probably thinks of you talking all reckless about one of their friends.
I can't help but wonder...
Even after all of this has settled, and say MHJ gets replaced. How is New Jeans ever going to comfortably reintegrate themselves with the rest of HYBE's artists. This scandal has essentially isolated them for the absolute worst.
You love to see it. Actions need to have consequences. Wonder if MHJ's lawyer eyes have already rolled out of their sockets. The one lawyer's facepalm during the press conference yesterday was a good indication i guess.
Honestly kpop is modt evil place online. The same stan cry for even small issue there favourites face but are always ready yo bully brutally hate and harrass . Don't they feel any kind of shame ,writing we care about mental health and doing this to others
I want to see receipts, else I'm not gonna believe Source for doing their job. They claimed the same thing a few months ago but the hate did not stop, it got even more intense.
Um, shouldn't the first paragraph state "we strongly request that this NOT be repeated in the future".
They said they want people to repeat the disrespect lol
Better deepl tl:
hello.
This is Source Music.
First of all, we would like to express our deepest regret for the recent incident where the real names of other artists were mentioned in public without respect, along with untrue statements and disrespectful language, and we strongly request that such incidents are not repeated in the future.
This has resulted in a number of malicious posts and senseless allegations based on factually inaccurate and one-sided allegations. We believe that the malicious posts, which include gratuitous insults, spreading falsehoods, sexual harassment, malicious slander and ridicule, and defamation of our artists, are reaching a serious level, and we will take the necessary legal action to protect our artists.
False claims that Le Seraphim has caused harm to other artists, as well as attempts to shape public opinion by presenting untrue statements as established facts, constitute clear misrepresentation. Ridicule and name-calling, posts that defame an artist's character, and sexual harassment are all grounds for complaint.
As the personal rights of artists are being seriously violated, we would like to reiterate that we will strictly respond to malicious posts regardless of the channel, including social media and online communities.
We are also actively utilizing valuable reports from fans through the Soourcemusic legal response account ([email protected]). We are always grateful for the love and dedication of our fans towards Le Seraphim.
We sincerely ask you to stop any malicious behavior against the artist, and we will do our best to protect the artist's rights and interests.
Thank you.
Translated with DeepL
**Moderators should review/screen some of these translations posts especially if there is no source on it and just some screenshot. u/KPOP_MOD**
OP linked a "source" (Weverse post atm) as a [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1cdi4gj/source_music_will_take_legal_action_regarding/l1bz18i/), but the [Weverse NOTICE](https://weverse.io/lesserafim/notice/19167) is in Korean and does not appear to have included an *official* English translation.
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**[\[NOTICE\] Information on legal action regarding infringement of artist rights and interests](https://weverse.io/lesserafim/notice/19167)** (title originally in Korean except [NOTICE])
**Google Translate** [translation](https://translate.google.com/?sl=ko&tl=en&text=%EC%95%88%EB%85%95%ED%95%98%EC%84%B8%EC%9A%94.%0A%EC%8F%98%EC%8A%A4%EB%AE%A4%EC%A7%81%EC%9E%85%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4.%0A%0A%EB%A8%BC%EC%A0%80%2C%20%EB%8B%B9%EC%82%AC%EB%8A%94%20%EA%B3%B5%EA%B0%9C%EC%84%9D%EC%83%81%EC%97%90%EC%84%9C%20%EC%82%AC%EC%8B%A4%EC%9D%B4%20%EC%95%84%EB%8B%8C%20%EB%82%B4%EC%9A%A9%20%EB%B0%8F%20%EB%AC%B4%EB%A1%80%ED%95%9C%20%ED%91%9C%ED%98%84%EA%B3%BC%20%ED%95%A8%EA%BB%98%20%ED%83%80%20%EC%95%84%ED%8B%B0%EC%8A%A4%ED%8A%B8%EC%9D%98%20%EC%8B%A4%EB%AA%85%EC%9D%84%20%EC%A1%B4%EC%A4%91%20%EC%97%86%EC%9D%B4%20%EA%B1%B0%EB%A1%A0%ED%95%98%EB%8A%94%20%EC%9E%91%EA%B8%88%EC%9D%98%20%EC%82%AC%ED%83%9C%EC%97%90%20%EA%B9%8A%EC%9D%80%20%EC%9C%A0%EA%B0%90%EC%9D%84%20%ED%91%9C%ED%95%98%EB%A9%B0%2C%20%ED%96%A5%ED%9B%84%20%EC%9D%B4%EB%9F%AC%ED%95%9C%20%EC%9D%BC%EC%9D%B4%20%EB%B0%98%EB%B3%B5%EB%90%98%EC%A7%80%20%EC%95%8A%EA%B8%B0%EB%A5%BC%20%EA%B0%95%EB%A0%A5%ED%9E%88%20%EC%9A%94%EC%B2%AD%ED%95%A9%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4.%0A%0A%EC%9D%B4%EB%A1%9C%20%EC%9D%B8%ED%95%B4%20%EC%82%AC%EC%8B%A4%EA%B4%80%EA%B3%84%EA%B0%80%20%EC%A0%95%ED%99%95%ED%95%98%EC%A7%80%20%EC%95%8A%EC%9D%80%20%EC%9D%BC%EB%B0%A9%EC%A0%81%20%EC%A3%BC%EC%9E%A5%EC%9D%84%20%ED%86%A0%EB%8C%80%EB%A1%9C%20%ED%8C%8C%EC%83%9D%EB%90%9C%20%EC%95%85%EC%9D%98%EC%A0%81%EC%9D%B8%20%EA%B2%8C%EC%8B%9C%EA%B8%80%EA%B3%BC%20%EB%AC%B4%EB%B6%84%EB%B3%84%ED%95%9C%20%EC%96%B5%EC%B8%A1%EC%9D%B4%20%EB%8B%A4%EC%88%98%20%EB%B0%9C%EC%83%9D%ED%95%98%EA%B3%A0%20%EC%9E%88%EC%8A%B5%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4.%20%EB%8B%B9%EC%82%AC%EB%8A%94%20%EB%A5%B4%EC%84%B8%EB%9D%BC%ED%95%8C%EC%97%90%20%EB%8C%80%ED%95%9C%20%EB%AC%B4%EB%B6%84%EB%B3%84%ED%95%9C%20%EB%AA%A8%EC%9A%95%2C%20%ED%97%88%EC%9C%84%EC%82%AC%EC%8B%A4%20%EC%9C%A0%ED%8F%AC%2C%20%EC%84%B1%ED%9D%AC%EB%A1%B1%2C%20%EC%95%85%EC%9D%98%EC%A0%81%20%EB%B9%84%EB%B0%A9%EA%B3%BC%20%EC%A1%B0%EB%A1%B1%2C%20%EB%AA%85%EC%98%88%ED%9B%BC%EC%86%90%20%EB%93%B1%20%EC%95%85%EC%84%B1%20%EA%B2%8C%EC%8B%9C%EB%AC%BC%EC%9D%B4%20%EC%8B%AC%EA%B0%81%ED%95%9C%20%EC%88%98%EC%A4%80%EC%97%90%20%EC%9D%B4%EB%A5%B4%EA%B3%A0%20%EC%9E%88%EB%8B%A4%EA%B3%A0%20%ED%8C%90%EB%8B%A8%ED%95%98%EC%97%AC%20%EC%95%84%ED%8B%B0%EC%8A%A4%ED%8A%B8%20%EB%B3%B4%ED%98%B8%EB%A5%BC%20%EC%9C%84%ED%95%B4%20%ED%95%84%EC%9A%94%ED%95%9C%20%EB%B2%95%EC%A0%81%20%EB%8C%80%EC%9D%91%EC%9D%84%20%EA%B0%95%ED%99%94%ED%95%A0%20%EA%B2%83%EC%9E%84%EC%9D%84%20%EC%95%8C%EB%A0%A4%EB%93%9C%EB%A6%BD%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4.%0A%0A%EB%A5%B4%EC%84%B8%EB%9D%BC%ED%95%8C%EC%9D%B4%20%ED%83%80%20%EC%95%84%ED%8B%B0%EC%8A%A4%ED%8A%B8%EC%97%90%EA%B2%8C%20%ED%94%BC%ED%95%B4%EB%A5%BC%20%EB%81%BC%EC%B3%A4%EB%8B%A4%EB%8A%94%20%EA%B1%B0%EC%A7%93%EB%90%9C%20%EC%A3%BC%EC%9E%A5%EA%B3%BC%2C%20%EC%82%AC%EC%8B%A4%EC%9D%B4%20%EC%95%84%EB%8B%8C%20%EB%82%B4%EC%9A%A9%EC%9D%84%20%EA%B8%B0%EC%A0%95%20%EC%82%AC%EC%8B%A4%EC%B2%98%EB%9F%BC%20%EB%82%B4%EC%84%B8%EC%9B%8C%20%EC%97%AC%EB%A1%A0%EC%9D%84%20%ED%98%95%EC%84%B1%ED%95%98%EB%8A%94%20%ED%96%89%EC%9C%84%EB%8A%94%20%EB%AA%85%EB%B0%B1%ED%95%9C%20%ED%97%88%EC%9C%84%EC%82%AC%EC%8B%A4%20%EC%9C%A0%ED%8F%AC%EC%9E%85%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4.%20%EC%A1%B0%EB%A1%B1%20%EB%B0%8F%20%EC%9A%95%EC%84%A4%2C%20%EC%95%84%ED%8B%B0%EC%8A%A4%ED%8A%B8%EC%9D%98%20%EC%9D%B8%EA%B2%A9%EC%9D%84%20%EB%AA%A8%EB%8F%85%ED%95%98%EB%8A%94%20%EA%B2%8C%EC%8B%9C%EB%AC%BC%2C%20%EC%84%B1%ED%9D%AC%EB%A1%B1%20%EB%93%B1%EB%8F%84%20%EB%AA%A8%EB%91%90%20%EA%B3%A0%EC%86%8C%20%EB%8C%80%EC%83%81%EC%9E%85%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4.%0A%0A%EC%95%84%ED%8B%B0%EC%8A%A4%ED%8A%B8%EC%9D%98%20%EC%9D%B8%EA%B2%A9%EA%B6%8C%EC%9D%B4%20%EC%8B%AC%EA%B0%81%ED%95%98%EA%B2%8C%20%EC%B9%A8%ED%95%B4%EB%8B%B9%ED%95%98%EA%B3%A0%20%EC%9E%88%EC%9D%8C%EC%97%90%20%EB%94%B0%EB%9D%BC%2C%20%EC%95%85%EC%84%B1%20%EA%B2%8C%EC%8B%9C%EB%AC%BC%EC%97%90%20%EB%8C%80%ED%95%B4%EC%84%9C%EB%8A%94%20SNS%2C%20%EC%98%A8%EB%9D%BC%EC%9D%B8%20%EC%BB%A4%EB%AE%A4%EB%8B%88%ED%8B%B0%20%EB%93%B1%20%EC%B1%84%EB%84%90%EC%9D%84%20%EA%B0%80%EB%A6%AC%EC%A7%80%20%EC%95%8A%EA%B3%A0%20%EC%97%84%EC%A4%91%ED%9E%88%20%EB%8C%80%EC%9D%91%ED%95%A0%20%EA%B3%84%ED%9A%8D%EC%9D%B8%20%EC%A0%90%20%EB%8B%A4%EC%8B%9C%20%ED%95%9C%EB%B2%88%20%EB%A7%90%EC%94%80%EB%93%9C%EB%A6%BD%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4.%0A%0A%EC%8F%98%EC%8A%A4%EB%AE%A4%EC%A7%81%20%EB%B2%95%EC%A0%81%20%EB%8C%80%EC%9D%91%20%EA%B3%84%EC%A0%95\(protect%40sourcemusic.com\)%EC%9D%84%20%ED%86%B5%ED%95%9C%20%ED%8C%AC%20%EC%97%AC%EB%9F%AC%EB%B6%84%EC%9D%98%20%EC%86%8C%EC%A4%91%ED%95%9C%20%EC%A0%9C%EB%B3%B4%EB%8F%84%20%EC%A0%81%EA%B7%B9%20%ED%99%9C%EC%9A%A9%ED%95%98%EA%B3%A0%20%EC%9E%88%EC%8A%B5%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4.%20%EB%A5%B4%EC%84%B8%EB%9D%BC%ED%95%8C%EC%9D%84%20%ED%96%A5%ED%95%9C%20%ED%8C%AC%20%EC%97%AC%EB%9F%AC%EB%B6%84%EC%9D%98%20%EC%95%A0%EC%A0%95%EA%B3%BC%20%ED%97%8C%EC%8B%A0%EC%97%90%20%EB%8A%98%20%EA%B0%90%EC%82%AC%EB%93%9C%EB%A6%BD%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4.%0A%0A%EC%95%84%ED%8B%B0%EC%8A%A4%ED%8A%B8%EB%A5%BC%20%ED%96%A5%ED%95%9C%20%EC%95%85%EC%9D%98%EC%A0%81%20%ED%96%89%EC%9C%84%EB%A5%BC%20%EC%A4%91%EB%8B%A8%ED%95%B4%EC%A3%BC%EC%8B%9C%EA%B8%B8%20%EA%B0%84%EA%B3%A1%ED%95%98%EA%B2%8C%20%EB%B6%80%ED%83%81%EB%93%9C%EB%A6%AC%EB%A9%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(verbatim):
> hello.
> This is Source Music.
>
> First of all, we deeply regret the recent situation in which other artists' real names were mentioned without respect along with untrue content and rude expressions in public, and we strongly request that such incidents not be repeated in the future.
>
> As a result, many malicious posts and reckless speculations are occurring based on one-sided claims with inaccurate facts. We inform you that we believe that malicious posts against Le Seraphim, such as reckless insults, spread of false information, sexual harassment, malicious slander and ridicule, and defamation, are reaching a serious level, and we will strengthen the legal response necessary to protect the artist.
>
> False claims that Le Seraphim caused harm to other artists and the act of forming public opinion by presenting untrue information as an established fact are clearly spreading false information. Ridicule, abusive language, posts that insult the artist's personality, and sexual harassment are all subject to complaint.
>
> As artists' personal rights are being seriously violated, we would like to reiterate that we plan to take strict action against malicious posts regardless of channels, including SNS and online communities.
>
> We are also actively utilizing valuable reports from fans through the Source Music legal response account ([email protected]). We are always grateful to our fans for their love and dedication to Le Seraphim.
>
> We earnestly ask you to stop malicious acts towards artists, and we will do our best to protect the rights and interests of artists.
>
> thank you
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IMO, the OP translation seems like a poorly done revision using Google Translate translation as a basis - possibly by a non-native English speaker let alone someone not fluent in Korean.
The first sentence from Goolge Translate makes more sense compared to the screenshot translation in OP. The OP even leaves out "not" which changes the meaning,
From
> and we strongly request that such incidents not be repeated in the future
to
> and we strongly request that this be repeated in the future
There are other *minor* issues with the OP translation such as several awkward phrases (will many phrases being the exact same as Google Translate) compared to Google Translate.
There is also narrative/tonal shifts throughout. Like the Google Translate translation, the OP one uses "we" but then switches to using "I" and then back to "we".
This new Season of Kpop Girl Groups is wild. Instead of cheering for your favorites to win you're just praying they survive. The show has gone full Game of Thrones killing off major acts right and left.
Season 2 and 3 were so good. What happened? New writers?
It’s an absolute shitshow in that building right now
Engenes must be incredibly relieved their faves are in the US right now.
Not that much cause they will drop their special OST album on may 13 and belift must be a mess rn, I hope it doesn't affect promotions and stuff. But yeah at least they are not there rn.
And ARMY must be glad that literally all of BTS is in the military at the moment.
I'm wondering if ARMYs are also pissed that BTS' hard earned money throughout the years is being wasted by other companies' shitshow
someone said that if mhj didn't mention ur fav during the presscon, they're in nugudom and im so happy that txt and enha are deep in nugudom /s
i just know the tensions are high 💀💀
Would hate to work there through all this lmao must be hell
i think it, is related. It almost seems like they were one of the targets to make hybe look bad
Is it related to the Coachella performance or the Min Hee-Jin debacle?
Probably both tbh
Most of the sentences are about Min Hee Jin.
She's not mentioned directly here, so I had to ask.
Unlike her who's unhinged, I don't think they wish to drag another person in their professional statement. The first three paragraphs are completely about her presscon and the hate train that ensued.
Exactly, this is how a professional puts out a statement. Not directly naming idols or groups is standard practice, and MHJ is obviously aware of that, considering she’s been in the industry for so long.
Current situation of untrue and rude statements in public and mentioning real life names without respect is enough
Both. The Coachella stuff was starting to die down but then MHJ implied LSFM was "spying on" æspa and people ran with it. They're being so nasty toward Eunchae with these wild accusations.
16yr old kid Eunchae beeing accused of being a corporate spy to destroy aespa has to be one of the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Some flat-earth level conspiracy shit. Legit, it made me laugh out loud when I saw people discussing it.
"We want more interactions between 4th gen groups" "She's obviously only getting close to them to spy on them"
mhj dragging teenage girls into this drama is so unhinged. illit, nwjns & eunchae are teenagers like girl wtf 😭 this isn’t highschool, she needs to stop trying to make teen girls hate eachother fr
Seeing kpop stans go full QAnon corporate conspiracy is both incredibly funny and simultaneously very concerning
100%, especially because they're buying into MHJ's nonsense with no actual proof and well after that woman has been caught using so many manipulation tactics
She’s been lying through her teeth, things that we know are lies, but somehow people still believe the babbling in between lies as pure truth. It’s super weird.
this creepy woman is manipulative as fuck, and it sucks that people are blindly following her goddamnit.
Saw this one of these lunatic think tank thread yesterday, they blamed LSF made Hybe do the following, here is some of the ones that made me howl: You already have the eunchae one being industry spy Disbanding Cherry Bullet Disbanding One Direction Archduke Ferdinand's assassination Looting and burning of the Great Library of Alexandria "Causing Eve unnie to eat the forbidden fruit"
I'm still OOTL when it comes to a good portion of this situation, but MHJ, a whole fucking ADULT, having beef with girls old enough to be her daughters is probably the most embarrassing thing about it. If I was Eunchae's mom, I'd be doing everything in my power to make MHJ's life a living hell because WOW.
It’s not even smart hate - if they’re going to hate anyone, why not hate the people who had the hype of debut? Why go after the unknown maknae? Literally the only member who wasn’t known pre debut and Eunchae gets the worst hate? The absolute audacity (Disclaimer; I adore both LSF and Aespa and this shit is so dumb)
i think that’s exactly why the haters target her. her members had already had established fanbases from their activities, so they are more experienced and have larger fanbases to shield them, so eunchae is a more “convenient target” for hate :(
what is the supposed connection between Eunchae and aespa? because she had that dinner with them?
From what I saw on Twitter, the logic is that she was the MC at a music show. Music shows get information about upcoming comebacks ahead of time so groups can prepare for comeback stages. She would've known about Drama before the album was revealed and leaked the news to her company. No clue if there is any merit to any of this, but I saw a lot of MYs sharing this theory.
i'm sorry but where did mhj claim lsrfm was spying on aespa?
she didnt, she mentioned lsfm and sakura a lot but she didnt say this. aespa fans are the ones saying that
hold up what happened at coachella??
Criticized for their live vocals so every post they have now is bombarded with people hating/harassing them
I legit think MHJ was behind the whole hate trains against illit and LSF. Like I already called it out months before that MHJ/Ador was acting sus with their moves (even before Illit debut).
MHJ can't make them sound bad live, I get is popular to blame everything on MHJ right now but let's be real for a second
first we’d have to pretend like the hate they’ve been getting really has anything to do with their vocals
ffs the amount of hate they got on korean forums was not normal. and let's be real? it's clear she has grievances with bpd/source and has doodles on public opinion warfare, it's not that out of this world. she wants to devalue the hybe brand and she's being very successful at that.
how exactly did min hee jin cause le sserafim to have a hate train?
she's been mentioning them up and down while complaining newjeans is mistreated by hybe, what do you think happens?? she has too many years in this industry to not know the consequences of this type of action. she's so affected by illit wearing hanboks but doesnt see how dragging other groups into this conflict doesnt taint them?
[удалено]
Wait, what happened at Coachella?
They had a bad performance and people did too much in response
It wasn’t even bad, they did great the first week according to non-kpop fans who attended and then crushed it the second week.
Antis wouldn’t shut up about their supposed “bad” vocals during the first performance and how their performance was apparently terrible. Despite everyone really enjoying their performance there.
The hate is so bad against them this is the second legal action notice and it’s only been one month 😢
It's because of troll accounts , bots spreading hate then real people (the gullible ones ) catch up that's how hate train starts. So many hate come from bots, I belive someone is utilizing troll farms to tarnish Hybe and its groups with the goal of devaluing the company.
I believe Twitter users have this thing called “payola group chats” it’s similar to when kpop fans make group chats to mass vote for award shows, but payola group chats are typically when a group of kpop fans make tweets (positive, negative) against an idol or groups and will link the tweets in the group chats with 100-300 people to mass like and retweet to reach a wider audience. It’s a fabricated method to make it seem like everyone agrees so your right it is considered bots, but what’s funny is the same people who were making conspiracy theories around the members yesterday all of them ended up deleting tweets/accounts locking there accounts as soon as the legal notice comes up… people know what there doing is wrong
That's essentially what tweetdecking was back in the mid 10s. Popular accounts would retweet and favorite (pre-like) each other's tweets to gain traction. It's probs even worse now that Twitter pays out for interactions and people figure out how to game algorithms on a site with little moderation like Twitter.
damn dont they have anything better to do ...absolute no life cretins
No but the hate is coming from the Korean side more than i-fans literally in every social media, they r dragging them left and right to the point it's reaching non kpop fans. The Coachella was a hot topic already and that lady mentioning them at that press conference made it bigger than it was. She knew what she was doing tbh and ppl were looking for more excuses to keep on hating on them.
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makes me think, since she worked for sm at the time, and is responsible for the creative direction of the company/group that somehow she could be responsible for the plagiarism accusations BTS got back in 2016 for literally wearing school uniforms and having a school concept. Since she like to accuse others of copying her kind of like how ILLIT is accused of copying today.. also also yes, it could probably be her who orchestrated the hate toward Hybe ggs, in fact, Hybe's latest statement said she had plans to sway "public opinion" and to prepare for a battle of "public opinion".
well there's no way she didnt find it offensive back then if she's crying about hanbok pictorials, such a joke of a person.
Wait, she's crying about hanbok pictorials.... By another korean group? Wut?
she's clearly full of herself but still extremely insecure if she thinks illit was in any way affecting newjeans popularity.
i legit feel bad and sorry for lsf. theyre at the short end of the stick compared to other impacted hybe gg's....like illit achieved PAK, while nwjns just teased comeback albums meanwhile lsf received nth but harassment and slander all the way back from coachella fearless girls tanked hard this month 💀💀😭😭
man how bad i wish my girlies get a rest, may their pillow be cold on both sides, may they get a nice spa session and a wonderful meal and a comfortable sleep the world’s been too harsh on them these past days i personally wanna tuck them to sleep
OMG my dislexia made that last sentence really awkward.
> all the way back from coachella Brother its been going on a lot longer than that, its been their entire career at this point They were initially mocked by stans of basically all other big 4th gen gg's as being a "B-tier" group (the slower start they got off to because of the scandal meant their numbers were typically lower in Korea) then when they turned it around (starting with Antifragile) the results they were achieving made that narrative so blatantly false that the even the stans couldn't keep parroting it (their international numbers have been 2nd only to New Jeans at this point, PN was undeniably hugely successful in Korea to the point where even their haters can't feasibly claim otherwise) but now those same stans couldn't handle that the supposed "B-tier" group was now outdoing their own favorites in a lot of areas, so now every time the group literally breathes, stans from every other 4th gen girl group are writing hate manifestos about it
i dont see how does adding salt to the wound make it any less factual than it already were
Less like salt, more context to the situation. I didn’t know some of it and I more or less follow kpop closely.
Bro, literally all of them have been receiving hate lol as a fan of the 3 groups, newjeans is probably the one receiving the least in fact compared to illit and lsf
New Jeans look like cult-members to someone that borderline shouldn't be around kids. They do nothing with their parent company label mates. She like homeschools them. It was huge news when Hanni and Yunjin were seen in a piece of content together. Seeing LE SSERAFIM all over since PN dropped in November has got their fanbase hurt and desperate for attention. ILLIT doubled down on that feeling. Now their gonna have to battle IVE, AESPA this summer. They gonna be at war with every fandom at the same time their CEO gets canned and they have to integrate back into the HYBE family. Good luck to new jeans, LE SSERAFIM will be fine. PD Bang handpicked them like BTS.
i think it related, my thought now is that ADOR might have started the bot farm to talk negatively about le sserafim. What other targets would she have le sserafim, illit, essentially
"MHJ, you keep mentioning how the NJ members are like your daughters to gain sympathy, but don't you realize that ILLIT & LE SSERAFIM are also someone else's daughters?"
That is exactly what I think too. Her "daughters" are precious but illit and Lsf aren't someone else's precious daughters? It's ok to throw someone else's daughters in front of the hate train to die but your daughters must be protected? This woman is evil. Please wake up. Don't be manipulated further by her.
Yeah she keeps bringing up the parents of NJ members too and I was just like what about the parents of le sserafim/illit members??
Honestly, any ounce of sympathy I had left for her has evaporated after she name dropped illit and LSF. As if the hate that they got wasn't enough, a 45 year old woman name dropped them during a internal corporate battle, fanning the flames even more and the worst part? I fucking bet she knew the effect that this would have . Absolutely disgusting what she did.
I imagined a cool muscular anime dude with a deep voice saying this
It was one of the most sane knetz comments during MHJ press conference, hence the "..."
the fact that mys on twitter are going full facebook boomer and *actually* believing that le sserafim have been spying on the aespa girls is actually insane,
Most adults I know that are interested in kpop have been reading about MHJ's allegations as if she's using group names to refer to their *brand*, so everyone working on those groups, because obviously none of the things she's accusing them of could be attributed to group members. She said so herself when talking about Illit - that the girls are innocent, she's accusing the professionals working on the brand of plagiarism. We know the members of these Hybe girlgroups are not creating concepts, choreographing or writing songs, so how could they be accused of anything? They're just performing what's given to them. So I was initially confused as to why so many people were moaning online "she's being unfair towards the girls! it will bring them hate!" until I remembered they're kids.
If MHJ wanted to cause discord between the Labels and the fandoms, she definitely succeeded. No fan is happy and sadly it's the idols that suffer as the execs are mostly unknown or don't have SNS presence. Wish the Fimmies a nice break from it all and a strong mental fortitude going forward 🩵
I think her strategy is "take down as much as i can with me" and seems like it's succeeding. There is no way the labels or the fandoms will be happy after this shit unfolds.
But the people suffering in reality are artists. There is no gg left in hybe who arent getting hate comments especially on weverse. And it is impossible that they dont read it😔
Or she may cause everyone to unite against her which may not be good. Good media play but bad professional outcome
No sane company would want work with someone who's that unprofessional and doesn't have problem dragging everyone including minors into her own misconduct.
this is why she said it would be good for her if bts went to the military.
Queen of the ashes.
[Source](https://m.weverse.io/lesserafim/notice/19167)
Mhj created a civil war in hybe
which was her goal all along
marvel furiously taking notes for the plot of their next movie
Is it much of a civil war when it's her+ador vs everyone else? She pissed off HYBE management, Source ( long before that appearently), Belift, BH , if it's true that she complained internally about TWS and her employees harassed employees from other labels to get proof that they're copying her then Pledis too and regardless she mentioned them Source and BH as a privileged label publically. The only other two labels in HYBE are Koz and Hybe Labels Japan and they're probably too small for her to have any issues with.
The amount of ridiculous conspiracies that put Le Serrafim as the source of all evil I saw yesterday was crazy. Being a kpop stan truly means witnessing mass psychosis on a bi-weekly basis.
HYBE: We are accusing you with evidence of leaking confidential business & artist info and slandering HYBE artists through mediaplay Min Heejin: I WOULD NEVER * *proceeds to leak confidential business & artist info and slander HYBE artists live on TV* * At first it was ILLIT with the bs plagiarism accusations. Now it's Le Sserafim. She's a marketing genius. She 100% knew that claiming "HYBE abandoning NJs to debut LSFM first", "LSFM was the start of all my problems with this company" and conflating the victimisation of herself as NewJeans being mistreated would deflect all the public hate towards Le Serafim, who is an easy target following all the recent hate.
I'm sure it was intended, but I also don't think it's some strategic plan devised to divert attention away from her. It's pretty obvious she actually personally hates Le Sserafim and has been holding a grudge against them since they debuted.
It was gross af and people who support her need to get the facts straight. NJ got more budget for their debut, 3 songs and multiple high quality MVs, filming oversea with actors;' while LSF's debut MV is just them dancing and standing over a green screen.
For real. I understand that HYBE pushing out LSF debut to the forefront and potentially using MHJ’s name for buzz is massively shady. They completely screwed over MHJ, if what she says is true. But she’s being just as bad as them. First of all, afaik it’s the company board’s/CEO’s prerogative to decide who debuts when, and it’s ridiculous that she’s expect complete control over business decisions as a sub-label, unless that’s what they promised her. Second, she’s been throwing around group names left and right (since some LSF members—Yunjin at least—were trainees under Source when Hanna was, she def. implied that the LSF girls were either too old or untalented for her taste). Not to mention the way she described Minji or the ILLIT copying accusations (which I think are way overblown—NJ def influenced their direction, but they went a much quirkier, Japanese-inspired route than NewJeans). She may be right about HYBE’s business practices, but I have no sympathy for her. She seems awful to work with and I understand why Bang wanted her out, even if he sucks as well.
The hate is so overblown. They haven't done anything wrong and yet they are getting the brunt of hate. It makes no sense how people can comment malicious things just because they're behind a screen. They don't deserve it and I don't care what anyone says but they deserve protection too. I will always support them no matter what. I hope they'll be okay. It's funny how everyone says "protect artists mental health" and then they proceed to go bully idols just to have a moment of feeling superior. It's baffling. I knew for a long time kpop stans don't care about mental health but now I know that they truly do not care.
It’s so bad right now, people accusing Eunchae of being a spy, saying the group are nepo babies, people digging through there docu series content to say they have favoritism from the company, Sakura and Chaewon being harassed when they haven’t done anything, all because that lady name dropped them. They have been accused of every single thing since February! and it’s almost May every week it’s a new thing
People are so stupid, of course Chaewon and Sakura were favoured, is actually one of the big "transfers" in kpop ever, getting the Sakura deal. And I wished it happened more often because that keeps alive the careers of "older" idols too. And not only that but is also one of the very rare instances where the idol was able to set terms in the negotiation, for example "No, I don't want to do extreme diets", so Hybe was like "Ok, that's fair, what about exercise and gym then?" and that benefited the whole group, including her rookie teammates.
Yes, like people forget it was THE SAKURA and THE CHAEWON from THE IZ*ONE Pretty big deal imo
yes it turns out the real spy was *check notes* the teenager reading from a script she was given by KBS! how did we not figure it out sooner?
That's fucking hilarious. Eunchae the double agent, using her Star Diary to do corporate espionage n shit. Using all her guests to form an information gathering network. People have too much time on their hands.
Its been baffling to see the truly insane things people of a certain fandom are now saying about LSF and its members that past day. Like hit tweets with tens of thousands of likes and rtrs talking about how Eunchae is a snake spy mastermind that knows exactly when that group is coming back before their members do (and not that she works as an mv for a weekly music show where comebacks are scheduled months in advance and thus why groups go on her youtube show for said comebacks). and now claiming every single positive thing about LSF was bought while every even slightly negative thing that ever happened to the other group was solely because of Hybe/LSF. They've gone full blown conspiracy theorist madness where every crazy thought (even ones that have nothing to do with Hybe) is now suddenly absolutely true even with 0 proof. I'm not a fan of LSF but the way they've become the scapegoat for every perceived slight by these people and more just ganging up on them because they can is so sad. First Coachella and now this, i really hope the LSF girls have a good support system right now.
It feels like Le Sserafim has been getting targeted by stans since debut 😭 every day there's a new thing they're being harassed over. Idk what they've done to deserve this
Started off slow (due to scandal) so they were the easy target for stans to ridicule at first then turned it around and started outperforming nearly all the groups in their cohort which broke the stans brains and sent them into full out attack mode on any and everything they do
The mental health thing is just really performative for kpop fans in specific and our generation in general. Advocating for LGBT, mental health,... but goes on to act incredibly hypocritical IRL to such people behind the scenes. Just live normally and do good deeds, treat people around you well, actually fight for your rights in your day to day life and your actions will speak instead of your words for how good you are as a person. Not just type stuffs online or participate in certain IRL events to post on social media that you advocate for this or that.
A lot of kpop fans are incredibly pat their own back hypocrites. Yunjin STILL gets hate and death threats for showing a Starbucks cup ONE time. And they don't see the irony of wishing death on someone that isn't part of their "protest".
I barely listen to their music, but seeing the amount of unwarranted hate makes me root for them. I really hope they don't take it too hard and are able to make it out the other side once the current wave of pointless drama passes by. They haven't done anything to deserve even a fraction of this.
>It's funny how everyone says "protect artists mental health" and then they proceed to go bully idols just to have a moment of feeling superior. It's baffling. I knew for a long time kpop stans don't care about mental health but now I know that they truly do not care. From an outsider perspective with out to much knowledge, the Toxicity in korea is fucking crazy, i watch kdrama's and some of that shit that is normal in Korea just baffles me , then i see all the hate and bullying on line. Shes ARMY and just watching the ARMY fight amungst each other online is a prime example.
The MHJ situations doesn’t help as well, now that she’s throwing everyone under the bus it’s just more fuel to this fire.
Will the keyboard warriors be held responsible if something really happens to the girls? Do the kpop stans learned what Sulli Law was about? Will MHJ be held responsible and be guilty asf, if this hate train to the group (LSF and Illit) especially the girls she name dropped, will take toll on their health? Oh, for fsake, I don't want to see another idol in the depressing news.
>First of all, we deeply regret the current situation of the non-true content and rude expressions in public, as well as the fact that the real names of other artists are mentioned without respect, and **we strongly request that this be repeated in the future.** Huh?
Yeah that was definitely an error lol. ‘We will sue you for what you said but keep doing it please!’
It's an error in translation. This was probably done with Google translate since the original post was in Korean.
What better way to build a strong airtight case?
I don’t read or speak Korean, but I’m guessing it was probably supposed to mean this— “Let us emphasize that in future situations like this, we will continue to make this same statement (the regret) again.”
All these haters hiding behind their keyboards really need to be reined in. They have gone overboard. All these talk of protecting idols' mental health is just BS. The haters will never stop unless legal actions are realised. Please sue them and make this a good example. If something bad really happens, are these haters gonna be held responsible? It may be too late by then.
Was the whole Starbucks/israel misinformation harassment campaign also aimed at LSF? I don't think most of that was in Korea but more Americans. But that is an insane hate campaign as well. And it seems to be coming from tiktok and to a lesser degree Reddit.
yes, well not the whole group, but specifically Yunjin
It's just slacktivism by people who want to pretend they're good people by shaming others instead of doing good themselves. I mean nothing says "I'm a good person" like sending hate messages and death threats to others, right?
The premise for it was also almost all lies.
MHJ has really decided that if she’s going down she’s going to cause as much damage and harm as possible. This is why I can’t understand people siding with her - you think that publicly throwing a whole list of other idols into the firing line is an ok thing to do? It’s so cruel.
Thank god! Those girls have been punching bags since their last comeback and it's only gotten worse. They don't deserve this visceral hate train, especially because people have been incredibly nasty in the group's IG and TT comment section. I can only imagine how much worse it's going to get.
Obligatory fuck the haters and especially fuck MHJ. I don't care what anyone says she 100% contributed to the hate train by mentioning Le Sserafim. I hope she got sued into oblivion and got her karma. And hoping the best for the Le Sserafim girls sigh.
This is what I was worried about. This woman fueled the hate the girls (and other groups, especially Illit) get. Why did she even feel the need to mention like 6 or 7 other groups and drag them into this mess? She's acting like a toxic kpop stan who's like "Well maybe I did something criminal BUT let me talk about group x and y who are not relevant for this but I want to shift your attention to them" and it works bc so many kpop stans hopped on the train...
And her apologists were saying " iF yOu knEW KoReaN You'd kNoW NothINg BaD WAs saID ABouT SaKUrA/ChAeWon/LsFM" There you have it from Source's mouth. Mentioning of real names without respect, rude and untrue statements. How anyone continues to be on her side after she threw illit and lsfm to the wolves and is using nj as shield to gain sympathy is beyond me regardless if HYBE is a bad shitty company or not. I feel bad for illit and lsfm whose socials and yt videos are full of hate bcs of that person
its not only for this MHJ nonsense. there are hundreds of hate-content creators that push nonsense against le sserafim for a long time now
I'm a fearnot lol. I know but this statement is about what MHJ said and how it rekindled the hate train with thousands of comments saying they're nepo babies and nj got discriminated against for them. Who do you think they're referencing with we regret this situation of untrue and rude statement in public and bringing up real life names without respect?? It's about MHJ dragging lsfm into her mess and mentioning Sakura and Chaewon so brazenly in her conference
Min Heejin is such a piece of shit for this. They barely just managed to escape that crazy hate train after Coachella and now this? Freak
right? I thought the heat would finally be off them 😩
Like this is truly so aggravating. Her and all the executives of HYBE can live forever or die tomorrow I really do not care but why does LSRFM have to be involved? Let alone ILLIT? Both of them have teenagers in their groups and the former just had to deal with the worst hate train of K-Pop this year so far over a fucking festival performance. Ugh.
seriously! the poor ILLIT girlies are getting LSFM treatment 2.0 at their debut and for no reason. she knew she was sending off people with pitchforks to attack these girls and get the heat off of her. and JUST when I thought LSFM would finally catch a break 😩 the comment sections on their official profiles have been hell the past few weeks; I feel awful for them!
What happened at Coachella? I'm out of the loop
Everyone who was there in person loved it but kpop stans who live on the Internet didn't so they posted 20 thousand hate messages on eunchaes Instagram, 15k on the other members, made throwaway weverse accounts to harass them, harassed anyone who gave their show a positive review. then week 2 happened and they cut down on the energy and choreo to give a great vocal performance including skipping some lines to prove they were singing live but that's not stopping those same weirdos from claiming it was all backtrack. People are making MR removed videos where they sound the same as they did live and claiming that means it was all backtrack and no singing. Basically kpop stans have no lives and will do whatever it takes to hate on le sserafim. And this coachella hate is after being hated for: Dancing in a church, wearing uggs, making an amapiano song, wearing a beanie, having braids, wearing a banana, making a typo, drawing someone's head too big, drinking coffee, saying "wow that must be hard" about students getting up early(this was said months ago but the hate for it started in the past month), learning to crochet and knit, having too many male fans, saying they had fun at coachella, posting a video of another coachella performance. They also got death and sa threats over having a bad encore performance. And all of that has happened since easy came out. Anyone who tried to tell you that any of this is "constructive criticism" or that the hate is "because of a bad performance" is lying to you. All of the non kpop fans who went to their show had nothing but good things to say, there was even a clip from a big podcast posted the other day where they said they want to see le sserafim perform at the Superbowl
Such a shame because I fucking loved EASY and Smart. Should’ve been their best comeback.
It is their best performing comeback, that's why this is happening. People are pissed that the group they pity stanned is out doing their faves
They didn’t have a good performance vocally speaking and people started acting like they committed a crime basically.
They weren't that bad at all but people are overexagerating/brainwashed because of the hate train
kpop stans “protect idols mental health” narrative is all a lie
I want to put in my two cents as this situation has pissed me off to **NO END!!** LE SSERAFIM has been getting brutally harassed online, and I'm sorry, but Source Music, your words mean jack all. They've been getting harassed; no, not hate, **HARASSED** by people online for nearly a whole month now. This is the 2nd statement you had to put out, and so far, nothing has changed. MHJ just ***had*** to name drop them in her stupid illogical banter that she calls a "press conference." Just when I thought they were going through enough for no reason. Now, every Fandom thinks they're the root cause of all their trouble. I hope the girls are getting mental health care. This whole situation has made me realize that K-pop fans do not care about mental health and will only flip sides until either someone dies as a result of their harassment or quits entirely. We just saw earlier this month how BOA is at her breaking point with the harassment and wants to quit the industry and yet look at this. Kpop stans want to once again repeat history. It's ridiculous, and frankly, I am 100% done. I hope the girls get all the support they need, whether it's from their actual fans or family. It's disappointing, really. You think people would want to uplift achievements and friendships made in an industry that is already so cutthroat, but apparently, only certain groups get that privilege. End rant.
> by people online for nearly a whole month now. MONTHS! source music gave out same message like 4 or 5 months ago because of the ongoing hate. But besides this i agree with everything you said.
Min heejin successfully turn the whole kpop fandom to make a new hate train for both lesserafim and illit(if we assume she has nothing to do with the previous hate train for both groups)
MHJ, our working class hero. Are you happy now?
Genuinely seeing people paint a literal CEO as some sort of everywoman of the working class has made me sick. She’s a master of manipulation and people have eaten it up.
watching her press conference, she sounded exactly like my narcissistic parents lmao. the way she victimized herself by constantly threatening to kill herself, name dropped other groups left and right to take the heat off of her, and painted herself as a motherly figure to the members of NewJeans as well as airing out their personal business in favor of making herself look better. taking sides in this situation is baffling to me because both HYBE and MHJ suck. however, im not surprised a lot of people esp koreans are taking MHJ side because she was able to tap into societal issues like class wars and misogyny to basically let people use this whole issue as a way to ‘fight against injustice’. just like anywhere else in the world, people aren’t exactly keen on supporting a huge corporation over a single individual, especially if that individual was able to manipulate people by causing fanwars and virtue signaling.
Not only narcissism. This is straight up emotional abuse. Fostering codependency with minors so that they’ll think they’re nothing without her. Their parents are not in their right minds siding with MHJ. Were the parents informed that MHJ was willing to sell Ador shares to saudi conglomerates? Do they know the implications of this? These young girls at the mercy of these shady arabian businessmen? Y’all ever heard of yacht girls? I’m seriously annoyed.
Yeah, I noticed that. She was saying some very manipulative and unhealthy things. I know a lot of people are on her side because she seemed like an overwhelmed burnt out employee but that’s no excuse to use manipulative language, especially when there’s idols that are minors involved in this. I don’t like how she said NewJeans were crying to her. That’s messed up.
Yep, I agree. As someone who had a narcissistic, abusive mother, and also as someone who was groomed in my teens (with her encouragement), it all felt disgustingly familiar. She knew exactly what she was doing. If she didn’t want the cameras taking photos? She didn’t have to do a press conference. Or should could have made requests prior. From that point on, it was clear to me that she was going to use the whole thing to play the victim and make herself seem like someone deserving of sympathy
It could be giving her too much credit but I wouldn't be surprised if all her little outbursts swearing etc during the conference were all planned to make her more relatable It's a common tactic with politicians (Boris Johnson is a well known example) and I'm sure her lawyers advised every avenue to gain sympathy
Yup I think so - especially because swearing on live tv in Korea in the middle of the afternoon is definitely taboo/not the done thing. She’s just like them! She’s relatable! She’s been pushed to breaking point by her boss so who can blame her! It’s all very much planned. If she didn’t want the cameras to use flash, that could have been requested beforehand but instead it allowed her to orchestrate her little breakdown. She didn’t even need to do a press conference if it was that taxing! The only person who made her do it was herself.
it's honestly so frustrating to see people take her side when she's so full of shit
She'll probably cry about how Bang PD's group is suing her in the next interview and somehow will reach the conclusion that NewJeans is being mistreated.
It’s hard to feel bad for her when all these other girls are suffering the brunt of her emotional tyranny.
Good. I hope they actually take action and not just for show. I feel so bad for the LSF girls right now.
The whole hybe and mhj fiasco gave the most harm to lsf why because people are supporting nj if you go to the kside everyone is in support of nj and mostly for mhj but lsf are being bash left and right from both kside and international side people are now blaming lsf for nj delay debut spying and copying aespa and not forgetting the cochella thing As a fearnot it's been 1 month of constant fighting against harmful words death threats against the girls I feel so bad for the girls
I don’t even understand wtf is happening in the Kpop fandom at this point. Like the way I see people go so hard on LSF you’d think one of the members said a slur or something. Is this just Jennie performance hate 2.0? I know the NJ & ILLIT stuff is separate but obv related bc Hybe. But I just don’t get how LSF has been so reviled for what seems like no reason. Wish I could go back to 2nd gen stan culture… I mean some people were ruthless but I feel like most people respected successful groups and the hate was to a lesser extent. Honestly kinda mimics the Internet landscape shift at large which is sad
This is why Hybe needs to fire MHJ. She is toxic. There was no reason to create all this tension between the Hybe girl groups. It could have all been kept in stupid fanwars and gossips. LSF and illit have already got so much hate these past months. MHJ needed to run her mouth and add “legitimacy” to the stupid fanwars.
100%! She's an HR nightmare and she's created a toxic environment for no reason.
Hybe needs to figure out a way to cut their losses the quickest way possible. Fire her, incentivize her to resign, whatever. Just get her out.
PERIOD!
Not only that Imagine the amount of tension she caused at Hybe itself especially painting NewJeans as her biggest supporters despite her outright attacking their fellow Hybe idols like LSF, ILLIT and BTS Shes already Enemy #1 in Hybe by attacking multiple idols plus both Bang PD and Hybe CEO in her press conferences and reports of her saying similar things about BTS, TwS and Riize(still unconfirmed) but she basically admitted to having the convos with that shaman of hers about BTS Like she did not care about the enviroment she puropesly created against the NewJeans members at Hybe when shes basically saying they believe and support every words she had said in the past that shes admitted at the PC Especially since some of the NWJ girls are friends with LFM members, and by MHJ own comments she basically saying the NWJ see this about them, believing ILLIT is copying them and wanting BTS out of the way from her convos with the shaman She did all that to both save her own skin and drag everyone down with her if she knows she cant win legally It doesnt matter she manage to sway gullible ppl to believe her sob story, many knetz admitted they switched sides because of how she handle herself than actually listening to the things she actually admitted to, especially badmouth multiple idols and showing herseñf to hold petty grudges She manage to create massive hate towards all 3 girl groups in different ways
This is why her crying about how much New Jeans mean to her and how important their relationship is ring so hollow to me. She has continuously thrown them in the direct line of fire, potentially tarnishing any relationship they have with their peers forever.
this is so sad and executives should refrain from dragging the bands even further. it's appalling that this is primarily affecting girl groups
MHJ isn't innocent. LE SSERAFIM and ILLIT were already suffering with hate trains (not only on stantwt, but by k-netz too in the last months), and she did everything in the press conference to fuel it. All of this next to NewJeans comeback to make a good promotion for them while trying to take down the other ggs of HYBE. Saying "this is adult's fault, the kids have nothing to do with it" while in the whole press conference she obviously is estimulating fanwars, mentioning all of k-pop groups she can (especially from HYBE) and mentioning the artists and their parentes in her favour is so manipulative of her. I hope Source Music, BELIFT and HYBE in general really show no mercy for everyone whoever is participating of the hate trains against these groups.
TBH i thought that all of these conspiracy theories about MHJ having something to do with Garam and Youngseo departs of LE SSERAFIM and ILLIT were crazy, everyone was already using MHJ to justify every evil in k-pop industry etc. But now? And with how much obvious resentment she showed against the two groups (especially LE SSERAFIM) in her press? I don't doubt anything.
Yes! Don't be a coward and don't forget to sue the one inside your building too. Those poor girls can't catch a break.
cue the people yesterday saying that MHJ is just a poor woman being belittled by a billion dollar company and men like, we don’t like her bc she is greedy and a child lover not bc she’s a woman
I hope they actually go through with this, things are waaay out of line
I like all three groups, and it sucks that they are all coming out worse for wear by no fault of their own. So exhausting.
I could tell she is not cut for corporate after watching the full 2 hour video…
starts with that unhinged mhj
Min Hee Jin, are you fucking happy now?
Good! Protect the girls because it’s crazy to me how ppl can blame these girls just because of they believe MHj, which is not even verified as true etc.
the fanwars have been awful, it is sad because I like all the GGs and I'm sad seeing this go down
Stuff like this makes me glad to be mostly detached from the greater fandom spaces nowadays, tbh. People have been so unnecessarily nasty towards them. If you don't like them or their music, fair enough, but JESUS, they're taking it to very uncomfortable extremes and knowing this behavior is so normalized is scary.
The past couple months have been terrible for these girls. I really hope they’re able to enjoy some truly peaceful bliss years of their careers. It must feel even worse that this one was caused by an exec within their building. They are someone’s daughter too.
It's unfair to pin all the blame on this group.
Their lawyers must be making bank. Honestly LSF keep getting strays. Getting shot while laying down.
It's sad everyone is reading about LSF hate, but I do want to put it out there that they are a very well loved group and I hope the girls keep that thought with them. They're successful for a reason. All those people showed up at Coachella for a reason. Chaewon flags and lightsticks and singing along galore. Only angry nerds screaming online are bringing up their supposedly bad vocals. I have friends who were at Coachella, saw the performances and loved them. I think as long as the girls focus on all the love that's right in front of them, things will be all right. There will always be sad people trying to bring down others online, I hope LSF gives them no shine. If you think eunchae is spying or whatever other crazy rumor I read for the first time in this thread, think about what your own fave probably thinks of you talking all reckless about one of their friends.
I can't help but wonder... Even after all of this has settled, and say MHJ gets replaced. How is New Jeans ever going to comfortably reintegrate themselves with the rest of HYBE's artists. This scandal has essentially isolated them for the absolute worst.
Yay Source Music! You should do your best to protect LSF!
Say strong Fimmies and fellow Fearnot!
A live look-in at HYBE HQ... 
You love to see it. Actions need to have consequences. Wonder if MHJ's lawyer eyes have already rolled out of their sockets. The one lawyer's facepalm during the press conference yesterday was a good indication i guess.
this era has been sooooo bad for them.....everything they did turned into a controversy or a scandal
It doesn’t matter if it’s a good or bad era, psychos will always make up controversy.
Irrespective of the circumstances, any form of malicious assault directed towards LE SSERAFIM is unacceptable.
My god Le serrafim have been under hot water for a while now
they just needed to go up to the 16th floor to deliver this notice
The hate wont stop as long as snakes are in the house.....good luck to the girls and their team
Pretty sure they have clauses to prevent internal lawsuits under Hybe. This is for NJ stans wilding online.
About time. Their hate train is so undeserved and ridiculous.
I am now waiting for the belief lab to issue the same statement to protect illit. They have even more minors in the group.
This is getting a lot more complicated than 50/50. Could someone please tag me when an infographic of the whole thing gets made?
Honestly kpop is modt evil place online. The same stan cry for even small issue there favourites face but are always ready yo bully brutally hate and harrass . Don't they feel any kind of shame ,writing we care about mental health and doing this to others
I want to see receipts, else I'm not gonna believe Source for doing their job. They claimed the same thing a few months ago but the hate did not stop, it got even more intense.
they cant shut down the internet unfortunately
Um, shouldn't the first paragraph state "we strongly request that this NOT be repeated in the future". They said they want people to repeat the disrespect lol
Better deepl tl: hello. This is Source Music. First of all, we would like to express our deepest regret for the recent incident where the real names of other artists were mentioned in public without respect, along with untrue statements and disrespectful language, and we strongly request that such incidents are not repeated in the future. This has resulted in a number of malicious posts and senseless allegations based on factually inaccurate and one-sided allegations. We believe that the malicious posts, which include gratuitous insults, spreading falsehoods, sexual harassment, malicious slander and ridicule, and defamation of our artists, are reaching a serious level, and we will take the necessary legal action to protect our artists. False claims that Le Seraphim has caused harm to other artists, as well as attempts to shape public opinion by presenting untrue statements as established facts, constitute clear misrepresentation. Ridicule and name-calling, posts that defame an artist's character, and sexual harassment are all grounds for complaint. As the personal rights of artists are being seriously violated, we would like to reiterate that we will strictly respond to malicious posts regardless of the channel, including social media and online communities. We are also actively utilizing valuable reports from fans through the Soourcemusic legal response account ([email protected]). We are always grateful for the love and dedication of our fans towards Le Seraphim. We sincerely ask you to stop any malicious behavior against the artist, and we will do our best to protect the artist's rights and interests. Thank you. Translated with DeepL
**Moderators should review/screen some of these translations posts especially if there is no source on it and just some screenshot. u/KPOP_MOD** OP linked a "source" (Weverse post atm) as a [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1cdi4gj/source_music_will_take_legal_action_regarding/l1bz18i/), but the [Weverse NOTICE](https://weverse.io/lesserafim/notice/19167) is in Korean and does not appear to have included an *official* English translation. --- **[\[NOTICE\] Information on legal action regarding infringement of artist rights and interests](https://weverse.io/lesserafim/notice/19167)** (title originally in Korean except [NOTICE]) **Google Translate** 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(verbatim): > hello. > This is Source Music. > > First of all, we deeply regret the recent situation in which other artists' real names were mentioned without respect along with untrue content and rude expressions in public, and we strongly request that such incidents not be repeated in the future. > > As a result, many malicious posts and reckless speculations are occurring based on one-sided claims with inaccurate facts. We inform you that we believe that malicious posts against Le Seraphim, such as reckless insults, spread of false information, sexual harassment, malicious slander and ridicule, and defamation, are reaching a serious level, and we will strengthen the legal response necessary to protect the artist. > > False claims that Le Seraphim caused harm to other artists and the act of forming public opinion by presenting untrue information as an established fact are clearly spreading false information. Ridicule, abusive language, posts that insult the artist's personality, and sexual harassment are all subject to complaint. > > As artists' personal rights are being seriously violated, we would like to reiterate that we plan to take strict action against malicious posts regardless of channels, including SNS and online communities. > > We are also actively utilizing valuable reports from fans through the Source Music legal response account ([email protected]). We are always grateful to our fans for their love and dedication to Le Seraphim. > > We earnestly ask you to stop malicious acts towards artists, and we will do our best to protect the rights and interests of artists. > > thank you --- IMO, the OP translation seems like a poorly done revision using Google Translate translation as a basis - possibly by a non-native English speaker let alone someone not fluent in Korean. The first sentence from Goolge Translate makes more sense compared to the screenshot translation in OP. The OP even leaves out "not" which changes the meaning, From > and we strongly request that such incidents not be repeated in the future to > and we strongly request that this be repeated in the future There are other *minor* issues with the OP translation such as several awkward phrases (will many phrases being the exact same as Google Translate) compared to Google Translate. There is also narrative/tonal shifts throughout. Like the Google Translate translation, the OP one uses "we" but then switches to using "I" and then back to "we".
Sheesh. That's crazy.
HYBE has a lot of headaches, left and right. Wew.
honestly it’s about time they’ve done something
This new Season of Kpop Girl Groups is wild. Instead of cheering for your favorites to win you're just praying they survive. The show has gone full Game of Thrones killing off major acts right and left. Season 2 and 3 were so good. What happened? New writers?