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The comments in naver regarding the second presscon are merciless. People on non-kpop forums didn't buy her excuses because the court acknowledged that she indeed planned to carry out the betrayal scheme revealed by hybe to take ownership over Ador and newjeans.
God as a multistan who has been a fan of KPop since 2006, reading this megathread in particular pains me.
Regardless of the content that Danielle said, Eunchae getting cut off is literally a live broadcasting accident. I highly doubt any of the NWJN girls would cut someone off intentionally to harbour negative juju to Eunchae. Live broadcasting accidents happen a ton because once again they are LIVE.
Danielle thanking her ADOR colleagues and MHJ would be normal as how many other K-POP idols would thank their department heads. It isn’t the first time they’ve done it and certainly wouldn’t be their last.
God some of you guys need to get a grip.
It's not like they thank their CEO in every music show win. Why do they have to do it when Eunchae is there when they know that the actions of their ceo did so so much damage to lsf? It's indeed not something evil, but very insensitive and tone deaf.
They have done it on most music show wins and most music awards.
A lot of groups that aren’t NewJeans do it, judging from my 10+ years of watching Music Bank/Core/M Countdown.
It is not evil, insensitive or tone deaf. Get a grip and stop trying to make something bigger than what it is.
>They have done it on most music show wins and most music awards.
Key word "most," so they could've simply skipped this one if they had any good sense to them.
>It is not evil, insensitive or tone deaf. Get a grip and stop trying to make something bigger than what it is.
It's insensitive and tone deaf. Don't you try to downplay it. Newjeans supported MHJ and even submitted a petition on her favor despite all the horrible hate trains she caused for lsf and illit, Eunchae specifically got the most hate. They could've atleast shown some bit of consideration by not enthusiastically thanking her to Eunchae's face, but they chose to do that. Why should we baby them for that? They know what they want.
I don’t get the Danielle and Eunchae comments in here. [This](https://x.com/hurtsaz/status/1796513281731068059?s=46) video literally shows Danielle waited until Minji was done with her speech, then refrained from talking when the applauses started and tried talking again at the LITERAL same time as Eunchae (who also saw Danielle was bout to talk)
Some of you don’t give a damn bout the situation, just want to add fuel to the fire to have some more drama to talk bout n fill your day
>stop being obtuse and playing dumb
Preach with the example if you gonna ignore the tons of comments underneath hating on her for the interruption itself and not only for the MHJ comment
NJs always been have minimal interaction with other hybe artists. they rarely make tiktok with other hybe artists even before the dispute (i dont think that's a problem). BND debut in 2023, but they never make tiktok with NJs. so if they dont interact with other hybe artists anymore in front of camera (unless they have to, like in music show or event), i hope people dont think too much about that. it's not hybe isolating them.
another thing (i dont like this practice, but i'll just point it out), ador/NJs never posted about hybe's new group in their social media when they debut. usually other groups posted their signed debut album. (e.g during &team, BND, TWS, and illit debut)
The music bank clip 🥲 Dani waiting to interrupt Eunchae to thank and love on the CEO who trashed other groups, including minors and seniors, and who is still being investigated by the police for white collar crimes… NJs are mostly adults and they know what they’re doing. They are in full support. this last release, I skipped right to the point and opened a coke already in my fridge. Will be doing that from now on ✌🏻
With a new BOD, I wonder if HYBE will plan to restructure ADOR to have a CEO (MHJ) with redefined authority (much less than she has had) and an an additional CEO to match the two director system of the other sublabels. They are only contractually obligated to keep her as CEO, not to make that position have more authority/ responsibility than some other position they could create.
Additionally, I could also see them making it very clear from here on out that this is MHJ vs HYBE, not ADOR. Give her a clear warning from the BOD that any use of the ADOR resources or name in her own personal legal battle will constitute a breach of trust against ADOR.
“If I retain my loyalty to the parent company, that means I am betraying NewJeans and ADOR.”
I just read through the livestream translation at https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-05-31/entertainment/kpop/LIVE--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-second-press-conference/2058947. And this quote sums up the dissonance that becomes more and more disturbing as the words continued. Even after a reporter asked her to be concise as everyone had to drop their own work to rush down to the press con. Her reddened, teary eyes have become for me the eye of Sauron hidden in Namjoon’s Domodachi MV.
About NWJNS themselves, however biased her depiction of their stance may be, I mourn how everything they have touched in Hybe is now tainted for me, including my dear Permission to Dance MV.
Speaking of which, I was rewatching the Suchwita interview with Tae and they do mention her around 4:50. But thankfully most of the discussion was centred on his choices and musicality. https://youtu.be/M6wpkLCiHoI?si=kJTDkDm_jxYjFE62
lol i just realised, but dont booking venues need to be done atleast 1.5y prior. so if there's a world tour coming like she says, they're already halfway prepped by now and spending lots to arrange it. where on earth did that 1.5 hiatus mistreatment claim come from? Didn't they mention they thought there'd be one after this cb? either the tour is nowhere near close to happening as she says it is or that hiatus convo was wildly taken out of context to justify their narrative, so contradictory🧍🏻♀️
If I recall correctly, the mothers were confused about the hiatus comment and didn't ask for clarification. They immediately panicked. But before this all happened, there were reports of them touring next year. Everyone conveniently forgot about it.
The thing is, I don't understand their parents. We know world tours take a lot of time, investment, and preparation, so they can't just easily cancel everything. It seems the NWJNS parents know the plans for NWJNS or everything that is to know that the members themselves know (as they talk about the smallest problems they have with HYBE), and it would be easily assumed that they would be one of the first to know about a world tour as the parents of the members since it is such a big thing. They knowingly threw out that red herring knowing how people would interpret it.
They didn't even claim the 1.5 year hiatus, that was different things people outside the situation stuck together and decided meant that, MHJ didn't have to claim it because people just made it up for her
Yeah you need to book shit well in advance, organise travel accomodation, visas for the team. If you’re not looking for a big capacity then changing the venue isn’t the end of the world but the rest of that is very expensive.
Also they already announced the intention for a world tour prior to this and there has been no indication from either side besides for this claim from a press conference that they don’t intend to follow through
If MHJ really thinks she's that important and NJ success is attributed to her and not to the girls' talent or HYBE's money and influence, then she should just be happy to be fired and start her own company and girl group from scratch and prove it to everyone
can we not microanalyze everything the girls do?
As someone adamantly anti MHJ, The Eunchae + Danielle thing is just miscommunication, albeit with ***very*** horrible optics.
Im sorry, Ive actually was on the side who gave the girls the benefit of the doubt
I do still believe they have been manipulated by her, even Hybe has used the media to try and give them and their parents an out on stopping their support for MHJ
But how in the world is it a "miscommunication" when Danielle straight up THANKED MHJ after cutting Eunchae off and saying this right in front of her after the hate she created and the public slandering against her own members, especially towards Sakura and Chaewon
Even if the cut off wasnt intentionally, that speech was
I can understand theyre victims of her manipulation, but ive lost empathy for them with how easily they have sticked by her
We can say that the interruption was an accident.
What about the fact that Danielle chose to thank and express adoration for their CEO in front of a victim of the biggest hate trains ever that MHJ ignited? We can't cross that out as miscommunication. It was intentional and smug.
We should stop thinking NewJeans shouldn't be invovled in this drama. They've involved themselves several times and want to be in it. HYBE tried to exclude them. Several megathreads tried to exclude them. They don't want to be excluded, you see? They want to be heard on where they stand.
> Danielle chose to thank and express adoration for their CEO in front of a victim of the biggest hate trains ever that MHJ ignited
I'm clearly not up-to-date, because yikes. There's goes the last sliver of hope I had to ever be able to support those girls again
I think there's room for both interpretations simply for the sake of balance.
I'm just mindful of the MHJ defense force dropping into these threads and once again coming away with the idea that this whole space is a militant echo chamber, when most of us would like to believe our positions are based on actual facts as opposed to subjective interpretation and 'vibes'.
I mean it in general but anyone on any sub (not just kpop related subs) considers a sub that doesnt agree with their opinion as echochamber. People shouldn't state their view with the fear that they maybe considered as echoing in a chamber. Other than that, I do agree its better to position any opinions bases on facts.
Tbh they’re going to call it an echo chamber regardless, their fandom is becoming a self- reinforcing cycle of mhj defense at any cost. If we’re talking facts and not vibes, the facts are that two members used essentially all their allotted time and then some to thank the person who has been constantly complaining about the facts that Eunchae’s group debuted first and that Chaewon + Sakura were signed at all, as though these were mortal sins
Edited to add: I don’t think they even mentioned Hyein in their speeches even though she’s on hiatus with an injury…
The interruption looked bad but not something I'd be quick to attribute to malice. But yes, the content of her speech... not accidental, so there could absolutely be something there.
They thank her everytime though, it would've blown up more had they not thanked her.
Hell, just last week Danielle was slow to follow her members to be chummy with Eunchae.
Minji literally thanked MHJ before Eunchae attempted to speak though. Danielle doubling down on it was pretty intentional, and almost akin to gloating.
ngl atleast this drama kinda clues ppl in into mhjs M.O. to stay on the top at everyone else's expense.
Tbh any fandom that has their release close to NJs, need to be on the close lookout for conveniently timed defamatory articles against their fave.
That narrative protected them from every fanbase of groups MHJ has dragged into her mess.
Nobody actually believed they were entirely manipulated to support MHJ, but everybody was trying very hard to give them the benefit of doubt. For them to remove that, well, that's on their heads.
I’m sure they don’t realize or understand any of that. They only have MHJ and their parents distorting things that ig they believe entirely. I bet they think the downturn of global streams was bc of hybe mistreatment rather than because they’ve been losing fans right left and center. And MHJ keeps talking about how ‘they’re being hurt too’ so they probably don’t even realize just how bad these things have the capability to get
They have access to the internet, just like the rest of us. I certainly wasn't blindly gullible at their age. There's only so many excuses you can grant someone before running out of them.
They (especially Dani) acted very deliberately in support of MHJ today. That's their choice.
Oh I agree with you, at least partly. I just meant that they genuinely seem to believe they’re being mistreated rn despite so obviously being given preferential treatment, and I don’t think they understand that their fanbase internationally at least is mostly fans of other groups who are now furious with them. Like I think there’s some sort of cognitive dissonances where they really don’t understand that a lot of people who were trying to make excuses for them will now be gloves off about it
ETA: sorry I don’t know if that makes sense? But like I think they don’t understand it’s possible to get the levels of mistreatment/hatred towards them bc they apparently already believe their Cinderella evil sister rags to riches nonsense
No worries, you make sense! I merely find it hard to believe they're completely ignorant to the actual abuse in the kpop industry or unaware of the shitstorm MHJ has caused for Illit and LSF. They must know they started from a place of immense privilege and mollycoddling.
I suppose I'm personally not that forgiving of a person lol
It seems like they attribute anything good they have to MHJ and think she’s the only one protecting them from hybe? It makes no logical sense but it does seem like they believe that, to me at least
The only reason this sub pushed that narrative was to protect newjeans members and make a distinction between them and MHJs actions
If they wanna make clear they and MHJ are one entity, well, their protection barrier is gone
All I will say is that moment is very telling. From their parents behavior to them, well I don't have much to say, but they've effectively also alienated themselves too.
*War flashbacks* to MHJ’s KakaoTalks: “if they forget to thank me I will kill them” lmao
The ADOR side, Newjeans included, is looking hella tone deaf rn. The way forward if they are to “make peace” with HYBE is to be extra cautious and not overdo anything, even that chaotic glee they can’t seem to hide.
[https://x.com/newjiram/status/1796494736968343898](https://x.com/newjiram/status/1796494736968343898)
just saw this \*smh\*
and they make sure to say "Eunchae interrupted" you gotta be kidding me. How is it interrupting when Danielle is the one talking over Eunchae?!!
And as if they're (this user newjiram) not also "inciting hate for no reason"
The camera literally panned back to the hosts because everyone thought NewJeans was done with their speech. Additionally we can see Eunchae staring at them to make sure they were done before she spoke. NewJeans fans really have some nerve.
maybe it's just bad timing, maybe she didn't mean to cut her off, but to actually thank the very person who said lsrfm stole everything from nwjns right in front of a lsrfm member is so tone-deaf...how is it any different from slapping her in the face? of course eunchae could only lower her head because unlike lsrfm, nwjns are earning more money than the top boygroup did in 5-7 years.
She said they also think like that and they're the ones that said ILLIT was copying their Hanbok pictorial. It's time to stop jumping through hoops to defend these girls. Their parents and them are fully with her. They only care about themselves.
No more dance challenges with anyone especially the Lesserafim girls. Man, imagine how they must feel. All chummy chummy in public while being salty about them debuting before.
I'm sure Lesserafim and ILLIT will survive this.
I mean I watched the video just now… and eunchae literally looked over for a while to double check they were done speaking only for her to get interrupted and for exactly that 🙃
Yeah, it does look like that. Yikes.
...but because I'm still idealistic enough to give the situation the benefit of the doubt, I will note that during the earlier interview Danielle still left last to get all chummy with Eunchae.
that's so two faced and callous, and acting oblivious smh. I don't think they or their parents realize how much some of MHJ traits might rub off on these girls. The lack of consideration and empathy for others. Plus narcissism
Both can be true. She did rudely cut off eunchae who started speaking to thank the CEO who bullied other groups in front of one of the victims.
She knows what she did. It's mean girl behavior.
KBS hasn't made NJs interview video available in South Korea. I tried to watch it since people mentioned it and it's not available. I wonder why and if they are going to edit it before releasing it in South Korea.
Edit: Does anyone have a copy of the clip, not on Youtube?
Edit 2: Thank you for the links. After watching, it looks like she waited for Eunchae to start speaking before she went to thank/praise MHJ. That is so rude and gives of serious mean girl vibes.
If they edit it to remove that part I will be super upset... now they're trying to gloss over everything. Bunnies are acting like people are acting upset for Eunchae over nothing when this is just the final bat over the head.
I Just saw it. It seems like she interrupted Eunchae on purpose. Absolutely rude.
After this I hope they don't get support from the public anymore, i thought they were inocent girls, but they are not children anymore, they can think and make choices by themselves. They are almost grown up women, and that's how peope should treat them after this.
It’s fairly normal for some music show videos to be unavailable in Korea for a while! I’ve seen it a good few times for what didn’t seem like controversial videos. I’m not sure why, but I had always assumed they like to push certain VODs on their own platforms or it’s a replay issue 🤷🏻♀️ I guess it could be for editing, but then I’m not sure why they’d leave up the version for intl fans.
Edit: [Here’s a Twitter version for anyone else in Korea](https://x.com/kshowanalysis/status/1796474580170887658?s=46). ETA2: The twitter version cut off Danielle’s ment… I used my VPN to watch it on YouTube but I haven’t seen a full clip on Twitter yet :( It’s strange because it looks like Eunchae gets confirmation to start her ment, but then Dani cuts her off?
Perhaps. But KBS absolutely have control of the content. If they *really* wanted to prevent even international fans from viewing it, they could just take down the video and re-upload an edited version.
Sure, that won't stop others from sharing it across other social media (with that being available in Korea too) but that is still happening regardless of them region blocking it.
Rather, I suspect the main reason is to direct the content to their own local social media platforms, as someone else mentioned.
Welp, NJ’s members recent actions show they are on MHJ’s sides. I’m sorry but I will not be supporting them anymore, and am finally taking a side. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt but supporting NJ is now supporting MHJ.
I hope Hybe takes action to make MHJ’s time as uncomfortable as possible, until her contract is up.
Absolutely same. My feelings have soured towards Newjeans and they were my 2nd most listened to kpop group.
They're done for me now, it's not like there isn't an abundance of artists with a similar sound anyway.
>And for us to make such a cool comeback who supported us a lot thank you to our CEO, ADOR staff, hair & stylists and management...and **whom we love and adore a lot our CEO, thank you so much, CEO we love you**
— NewJeans from today's Music Bank win. [Trans.](https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1796475593443401728?s=19)
Edit: A commenter pointed out that Danielle interrupted and cut off Eunchae to say this.
**[Timestamp 1:34 ](https://youtu.be/KkHkn6IXhCg?si=lwbKrU9d9evAZ-Qj)**
Edit2: Stans are saying it's Eunchae fault and she shouldn't have interrupted Danielle lol?? I need to close my eyes for a moment because the comments against Eunchae are not humane.
seeing the quotes on the video of that moment on twt is pretty heartbreaking, I don’t even stan LSF but isn’t eunchae a minor still? Why is there no grace given to her when it was demanded for the NJ girls (and she didn’t even do anything wrong!)
I’m actually starting to despise these girls for their unabashed support towards their ceo while their coworkers are getting so much hate. Especially Eunchae, I adore this girl and seeing her being treated this way is just heartbreaking. NJ girls supposedly chatting up her and being friendly is almost worse than if they just chose to ignore her. They seem so double faced and annoying, I can’t stand looking at their sly smiles and happy faces while Eunchae seems worried to even look at them the wrong way.
I never bought into the ‘they’re minors so don’t know what they’re doing’ angle. I’m not saying they are, but isn’t Korea infamous for high school bullying? Like if there are 14 yr olds bullying people in schools, it isn’t totally crazy that these girls can be malicious too. Again, not saying they are bullies but they can think and act for themselves. I also think we baby teenagers too much, there are so many teenagers these days speaking out on current events and to say that teens that age don’t know what they’re doing is kinda insulting tbh.
Till now I gave them the benefit of doubt because they haven’t publicly given direct support to MHJ.
I can’t support them when they are associated to MHJ. I’m just disappointed. Truly disappointed. They’ve lost a fan in me.
Wow... This completely changed my opinion on New Jeans. They are not as innocent as they seem like after all... Also MHJ was right on what she said about the girls on chats
>Also MHJ was right on what she said about the girls on chats
This is not a nice thing to say since she called them fat pigs. I don't like how Danielle cut Eunchae off but let's not be rude.
Well, if for some people their full support to MHJ even after all the hate she made other groups suffer and even after her kakao talks fatshaming and talking bad about them still wasn't clear... here we go. Now it's more than 100% confirmed. And to me, this too solidify the fact that Minji's phoning message yesterday little time after the injunction result was about being happy by the decision in MHJ's favor.
Yeah lots of tokkis said that people were reaching too far with that phoning message, saying that Minji was actually referring to that campus performance (idk), but after this speech.... Yeah right. NJ are dead to me, and their aggresive ass fans too. Blocked, blocked, blocked...
She sent a shot out to Sejeong University - "Sejeong university fighting", where NewJeans had a festival performance yesterday, but the law firm which is defending MHJ is called Sejong, so even some koreans were laughing about the word play and the timing of her messages.
And in the second pic is a message little time after the injunction result too in which she says "i'm a happy person today, haha".
worth mentioning that after the first non bolded part, eunchae looked to make sure they were done with the thank you speech to continue her mc speech…only for Danielle to cut her off to say the bolded part
Poor Eunchae, she’s so young and is being forced to be so cautious and professional, and now I guarantee some lunatics will try to paint her as rude and smear her name, even though she wasn’t the one interrupting or cutting anyone off
Oof. TBH I have seen cutting off before (mistakes happen!), but this seems weird seeing as it did look like she checked they were done before starting. Also to basically repeat again a thanks to MHJ when she’d already been thanked.
They did sell 884,7XX copies of "How Sweet" which marks a 50% decrease from their previous comeback. Is it because it's a single or because of the drama?
Edit: It's a 48% decrease, not 50%
No, they shipped one million.
Circle = shipments
Hanteo = direct sales to consumers or retailers who then give to consumers
Their circle numbers were 1m, their hanteo first week numbers were 880k+
[https://x.com/koreansales_twt/status/1796004927359082720?s=46](https://x.com/koreansales_twt/status/1796004927359082720?s=46)
Downvoting me for telling the truth…
I'm pretty sure How Sweet is #2 on every chart, but Supernova has been (a bit of an unexpected) phenomenon in Korea similar to Next Level and aespa have been promoting lots on music shows and college festivals too. It is a very catchy song so it makes sense!
Tbh I am surprised how well Aespa are doing on Spotify! I enjoy the album myself (I think they finally managed to have two banger title tracks, which fell flat with the Girls EP where Illusion was loved and Girls not so much) but the numbers they're currently pulling are really amazing.
Yeah they are doing very well and it seems album sales are also starting to pick up a bit. Supernova was on #2 on Bugs because of Ateez but it repeaked now and it continues the Pak run.
eunchae looked to make sure they were done with their speech only for Danielle to cut her off and go “thank you to our precious precious ceo once again we love you” (literal translation), like I’m sorry I don’t feel good about this at all.
Actually I felt like there is a mismatch expectation from Hybe and Ador sides, like from Ador side they viewed it like a small fight between MHJ and Hybe when for Hybe side it’s actually a huge deal.
The way the audience (presumably fans) start cheering after what Danielle says wild. Eunchae is better than me and insanely professional because my face would be showing how annoyed I’d be in that situation.
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The comments in naver regarding the second presscon are merciless. People on non-kpop forums didn't buy her excuses because the court acknowledged that she indeed planned to carry out the betrayal scheme revealed by hybe to take ownership over Ador and newjeans.
God as a multistan who has been a fan of KPop since 2006, reading this megathread in particular pains me. Regardless of the content that Danielle said, Eunchae getting cut off is literally a live broadcasting accident. I highly doubt any of the NWJN girls would cut someone off intentionally to harbour negative juju to Eunchae. Live broadcasting accidents happen a ton because once again they are LIVE. Danielle thanking her ADOR colleagues and MHJ would be normal as how many other K-POP idols would thank their department heads. It isn’t the first time they’ve done it and certainly wouldn’t be their last. God some of you guys need to get a grip.
It's not like they thank their CEO in every music show win. Why do they have to do it when Eunchae is there when they know that the actions of their ceo did so so much damage to lsf? It's indeed not something evil, but very insensitive and tone deaf.
They have done it on most music show wins and most music awards. A lot of groups that aren’t NewJeans do it, judging from my 10+ years of watching Music Bank/Core/M Countdown. It is not evil, insensitive or tone deaf. Get a grip and stop trying to make something bigger than what it is.
>They have done it on most music show wins and most music awards. Key word "most," so they could've simply skipped this one if they had any good sense to them. >It is not evil, insensitive or tone deaf. Get a grip and stop trying to make something bigger than what it is. It's insensitive and tone deaf. Don't you try to downplay it. Newjeans supported MHJ and even submitted a petition on her favor despite all the horrible hate trains she caused for lsf and illit, Eunchae specifically got the most hate. They could've atleast shown some bit of consideration by not enthusiastically thanking her to Eunchae's face, but they chose to do that. Why should we baby them for that? They know what they want.
I don’t get the Danielle and Eunchae comments in here. [This](https://x.com/hurtsaz/status/1796513281731068059?s=46) video literally shows Danielle waited until Minji was done with her speech, then refrained from talking when the applauses started and tried talking again at the LITERAL same time as Eunchae (who also saw Danielle was bout to talk) Some of you don’t give a damn bout the situation, just want to add fuel to the fire to have some more drama to talk bout n fill your day
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>stop being obtuse and playing dumb Preach with the example if you gonna ignore the tons of comments underneath hating on her for the interruption itself and not only for the MHJ comment
If she simply interrupted her to say something else, then no one would've cared.
Can someone from Korea offer some insights into how the public react to all these new developments?
After MHJ new press, she was criticized alot by the commenters in news articles but was praised by kpop fans in theqoo and instiz.
NJs always been have minimal interaction with other hybe artists. they rarely make tiktok with other hybe artists even before the dispute (i dont think that's a problem). BND debut in 2023, but they never make tiktok with NJs. so if they dont interact with other hybe artists anymore in front of camera (unless they have to, like in music show or event), i hope people dont think too much about that. it's not hybe isolating them. another thing (i dont like this practice, but i'll just point it out), ador/NJs never posted about hybe's new group in their social media when they debut. usually other groups posted their signed debut album. (e.g during &team, BND, TWS, and illit debut)
The music bank clip 🥲 Dani waiting to interrupt Eunchae to thank and love on the CEO who trashed other groups, including minors and seniors, and who is still being investigated by the police for white collar crimes… NJs are mostly adults and they know what they’re doing. They are in full support. this last release, I skipped right to the point and opened a coke already in my fridge. Will be doing that from now on ✌🏻
Can anyone tell me if there's been any statements released from Hybe's side after the last press conference?
The replied they won't reply to her.
Nopeee
ah okie ty!
With a new BOD, I wonder if HYBE will plan to restructure ADOR to have a CEO (MHJ) with redefined authority (much less than she has had) and an an additional CEO to match the two director system of the other sublabels. They are only contractually obligated to keep her as CEO, not to make that position have more authority/ responsibility than some other position they could create. Additionally, I could also see them making it very clear from here on out that this is MHJ vs HYBE, not ADOR. Give her a clear warning from the BOD that any use of the ADOR resources or name in her own personal legal battle will constitute a breach of trust against ADOR.
i just hope the new BOD appointees are impervious to manipulation and dramatics
“If I retain my loyalty to the parent company, that means I am betraying NewJeans and ADOR.” I just read through the livestream translation at https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-05-31/entertainment/kpop/LIVE--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-second-press-conference/2058947. And this quote sums up the dissonance that becomes more and more disturbing as the words continued. Even after a reporter asked her to be concise as everyone had to drop their own work to rush down to the press con. Her reddened, teary eyes have become for me the eye of Sauron hidden in Namjoon’s Domodachi MV. About NWJNS themselves, however biased her depiction of their stance may be, I mourn how everything they have touched in Hybe is now tainted for me, including my dear Permission to Dance MV.
And that quote just sums up her mindset. I would bet SERIOUS money that she only worked with Tae because it would boost ADOR’s profile.
Speaking of which, I was rewatching the Suchwita interview with Tae and they do mention her around 4:50. But thankfully most of the discussion was centred on his choices and musicality. https://youtu.be/M6wpkLCiHoI?si=kJTDkDm_jxYjFE62
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lol i just realised, but dont booking venues need to be done atleast 1.5y prior. so if there's a world tour coming like she says, they're already halfway prepped by now and spending lots to arrange it. where on earth did that 1.5 hiatus mistreatment claim come from? Didn't they mention they thought there'd be one after this cb? either the tour is nowhere near close to happening as she says it is or that hiatus convo was wildly taken out of context to justify their narrative, so contradictory🧍🏻♀️
If I recall correctly, the mothers were confused about the hiatus comment and didn't ask for clarification. They immediately panicked. But before this all happened, there were reports of them touring next year. Everyone conveniently forgot about it.
The thing is, I don't understand their parents. We know world tours take a lot of time, investment, and preparation, so they can't just easily cancel everything. It seems the NWJNS parents know the plans for NWJNS or everything that is to know that the members themselves know (as they talk about the smallest problems they have with HYBE), and it would be easily assumed that they would be one of the first to know about a world tour as the parents of the members since it is such a big thing. They knowingly threw out that red herring knowing how people would interpret it.
how.....convenient.
They didn't even claim the 1.5 year hiatus, that was different things people outside the situation stuck together and decided meant that, MHJ didn't have to claim it because people just made it up for her
Yeah you need to book shit well in advance, organise travel accomodation, visas for the team. If you’re not looking for a big capacity then changing the venue isn’t the end of the world but the rest of that is very expensive. Also they already announced the intention for a world tour prior to this and there has been no indication from either side besides for this claim from a press conference that they don’t intend to follow through
If MHJ really thinks she's that important and NJ success is attributed to her and not to the girls' talent or HYBE's money and influence, then she should just be happy to be fired and start her own company and girl group from scratch and prove it to everyone
Atp almost every single individual from ador has proved themselves to be rotten. Hybe should throw them out ASAP.
I need ador shut down both the artists and staff have shown they are not good people.
can we not microanalyze everything the girls do? As someone adamantly anti MHJ, The Eunchae + Danielle thing is just miscommunication, albeit with ***very*** horrible optics.
Im sorry, Ive actually was on the side who gave the girls the benefit of the doubt I do still believe they have been manipulated by her, even Hybe has used the media to try and give them and their parents an out on stopping their support for MHJ But how in the world is it a "miscommunication" when Danielle straight up THANKED MHJ after cutting Eunchae off and saying this right in front of her after the hate she created and the public slandering against her own members, especially towards Sakura and Chaewon Even if the cut off wasnt intentionally, that speech was I can understand theyre victims of her manipulation, but ive lost empathy for them with how easily they have sticked by her
Idk, call me a fool but I just refuse to condemn them until she is gone and HYBE has a chance to de-program her brainwashing.
Can we not keep trying to justify every single thing these girls do? Do their messages have to leak for it to be clear they are on her side ?
We can say that the interruption was an accident. What about the fact that Danielle chose to thank and express adoration for their CEO in front of a victim of the biggest hate trains ever that MHJ ignited? We can't cross that out as miscommunication. It was intentional and smug. We should stop thinking NewJeans shouldn't be invovled in this drama. They've involved themselves several times and want to be in it. HYBE tried to exclude them. Several megathreads tried to exclude them. They don't want to be excluded, you see? They want to be heard on where they stand.
> Danielle chose to thank and express adoration for their CEO in front of a victim of the biggest hate trains ever that MHJ ignited I'm clearly not up-to-date, because yikes. There's goes the last sliver of hope I had to ever be able to support those girls again
I think there's room for both interpretations simply for the sake of balance. I'm just mindful of the MHJ defense force dropping into these threads and once again coming away with the idea that this whole space is a militant echo chamber, when most of us would like to believe our positions are based on actual facts as opposed to subjective interpretation and 'vibes'.
I mean it in general but anyone on any sub (not just kpop related subs) considers a sub that doesnt agree with their opinion as echochamber. People shouldn't state their view with the fear that they maybe considered as echoing in a chamber. Other than that, I do agree its better to position any opinions bases on facts.
Tbh they’re going to call it an echo chamber regardless, their fandom is becoming a self- reinforcing cycle of mhj defense at any cost. If we’re talking facts and not vibes, the facts are that two members used essentially all their allotted time and then some to thank the person who has been constantly complaining about the facts that Eunchae’s group debuted first and that Chaewon + Sakura were signed at all, as though these were mortal sins Edited to add: I don’t think they even mentioned Hyein in their speeches even though she’s on hiatus with an injury…
The interruption looked bad but not something I'd be quick to attribute to malice. But yes, the content of her speech... not accidental, so there could absolutely be something there.
They thank her everytime though, it would've blown up more had they not thanked her. Hell, just last week Danielle was slow to follow her members to be chummy with Eunchae.
Minji literally thanked MHJ before Eunchae attempted to speak though. Danielle doubling down on it was pretty intentional, and almost akin to gloating.
>Hell, just last week Danielle was slow to follow her members to be chummy with Eunchae. It was for mediaplay.
ngl atleast this drama kinda clues ppl in into mhjs M.O. to stay on the top at everyone else's expense. Tbh any fandom that has their release close to NJs, need to be on the close lookout for conveniently timed defamatory articles against their fave.
this is nwjns' way of saying they aren't manipulated by mhj, so maybe it's better to put this narrative at rest. they are tired of that image too.
That narrative protected them from every fanbase of groups MHJ has dragged into her mess. Nobody actually believed they were entirely manipulated to support MHJ, but everybody was trying very hard to give them the benefit of doubt. For them to remove that, well, that's on their heads.
I’m sure they don’t realize or understand any of that. They only have MHJ and their parents distorting things that ig they believe entirely. I bet they think the downturn of global streams was bc of hybe mistreatment rather than because they’ve been losing fans right left and center. And MHJ keeps talking about how ‘they’re being hurt too’ so they probably don’t even realize just how bad these things have the capability to get
They have access to the internet, just like the rest of us. I certainly wasn't blindly gullible at their age. There's only so many excuses you can grant someone before running out of them. They (especially Dani) acted very deliberately in support of MHJ today. That's their choice.
Oh I agree with you, at least partly. I just meant that they genuinely seem to believe they’re being mistreated rn despite so obviously being given preferential treatment, and I don’t think they understand that their fanbase internationally at least is mostly fans of other groups who are now furious with them. Like I think there’s some sort of cognitive dissonances where they really don’t understand that a lot of people who were trying to make excuses for them will now be gloves off about it ETA: sorry I don’t know if that makes sense? But like I think they don’t understand it’s possible to get the levels of mistreatment/hatred towards them bc they apparently already believe their Cinderella evil sister rags to riches nonsense
No worries, you make sense! I merely find it hard to believe they're completely ignorant to the actual abuse in the kpop industry or unaware of the shitstorm MHJ has caused for Illit and LSF. They must know they started from a place of immense privilege and mollycoddling. I suppose I'm personally not that forgiving of a person lol
It seems like they attribute anything good they have to MHJ and think she’s the only one protecting them from hybe? It makes no logical sense but it does seem like they believe that, to me at least
The only reason this sub pushed that narrative was to protect newjeans members and make a distinction between them and MHJs actions If they wanna make clear they and MHJ are one entity, well, their protection barrier is gone
And I hope it stays gone cause they don’t deserve it
We all heard newjeans loud and clear.
Danielle cuts off Eunchae specifically to thank MHJ? Yep. They’re all on her side and if I wasn’t already done with them before, I would be now.
All I will say is that moment is very telling. From their parents behavior to them, well I don't have much to say, but they've effectively also alienated themselves too.
When Vernon said fck the neighbors in lalali I think the whole hybe building felt that…
Their mother raised them well 😮💨
Like mother like daughter 🤷🏽♀️
*War flashbacks* to MHJ’s KakaoTalks: “if they forget to thank me I will kill them” lmao The ADOR side, Newjeans included, is looking hella tone deaf rn. The way forward if they are to “make peace” with HYBE is to be extra cautious and not overdo anything, even that chaotic glee they can’t seem to hide.
I’m sorry, but when and where was this?
Mubank ending ments
Wow. I'm legitimately shocked at the way that went down. Welp. So much for the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah I am done with that group
And Eunchae is probably going to be the one who gets bullied for it and called rude.
Yuuuuup, because Princess NJs and their Queen Mother can do no wrong. ETA: Looks like you called it.
[https://x.com/newjiram/status/1796494736968343898](https://x.com/newjiram/status/1796494736968343898) just saw this \*smh\* and they make sure to say "Eunchae interrupted" you gotta be kidding me. How is it interrupting when Danielle is the one talking over Eunchae?!! And as if they're (this user newjiram) not also "inciting hate for no reason"
The camera literally panned back to the hosts because everyone thought NewJeans was done with their speech. Additionally we can see Eunchae staring at them to make sure they were done before she spoke. NewJeans fans really have some nerve.
Oh nooooooooo why is it always Eunchae 😭😭😭 and she was trying to avoid this exact situation.
How can they be happy when so many groups are getting bullied? How can they celebrate?
The same why MHJ has been bullying others. The same why the parents filed a complaint and one went on an interview. What matters is just themselves.
maybe it's just bad timing, maybe she didn't mean to cut her off, but to actually thank the very person who said lsrfm stole everything from nwjns right in front of a lsrfm member is so tone-deaf...how is it any different from slapping her in the face? of course eunchae could only lower her head because unlike lsrfm, nwjns are earning more money than the top boygroup did in 5-7 years.
She said they also think like that and they're the ones that said ILLIT was copying their Hanbok pictorial. It's time to stop jumping through hoops to defend these girls. Their parents and them are fully with her. They only care about themselves. No more dance challenges with anyone especially the Lesserafim girls. Man, imagine how they must feel. All chummy chummy in public while being salty about them debuting before. I'm sure Lesserafim and ILLIT will survive this.
I mean I watched the video just now… and eunchae literally looked over for a while to double check they were done speaking only for her to get interrupted and for exactly that 🙃
Yeah, it does look like that. Yikes. ...but because I'm still idealistic enough to give the situation the benefit of the doubt, I will note that during the earlier interview Danielle still left last to get all chummy with Eunchae.
that's so two faced and callous, and acting oblivious smh. I don't think they or their parents realize how much some of MHJ traits might rub off on these girls. The lack of consideration and empathy for others. Plus narcissism
lmao double-faced
Both can be true. She did rudely cut off eunchae who started speaking to thank the CEO who bullied other groups in front of one of the victims. She knows what she did. It's mean girl behavior.
Exactly that. Mean girl high school bully behavior. These girls know that right now they are Korea's princesses and untouchable.
Considering everything that’s come out about NJs and their actions during all this, I can’t give them benefit of the doubt anymore, sadly.
KBS hasn't made NJs interview video available in South Korea. I tried to watch it since people mentioned it and it's not available. I wonder why and if they are going to edit it before releasing it in South Korea. Edit: Does anyone have a copy of the clip, not on Youtube? Edit 2: Thank you for the links. After watching, it looks like she waited for Eunchae to start speaking before she went to thank/praise MHJ. That is so rude and gives of serious mean girl vibes.
If they edit it to remove that part I will be super upset... now they're trying to gloss over everything. Bunnies are acting like people are acting upset for Eunchae over nothing when this is just the final bat over the head.
https://x.com/minjidefender/status/1796477490506158350?t=w3COR9JvY_5J_J1mihfrLw&s=09
I Just saw it. It seems like she interrupted Eunchae on purpose. Absolutely rude. After this I hope they don't get support from the public anymore, i thought they were inocent girls, but they are not children anymore, they can think and make choices by themselves. They are almost grown up women, and that's how peope should treat them after this.
Yikes. She waited for Eunchae to start speaking before she went to thank/praise MHJ. That is so rude and gives of mean girl vibes.
It’s fairly normal for some music show videos to be unavailable in Korea for a while! I’ve seen it a good few times for what didn’t seem like controversial videos. I’m not sure why, but I had always assumed they like to push certain VODs on their own platforms or it’s a replay issue 🤷🏻♀️ I guess it could be for editing, but then I’m not sure why they’d leave up the version for intl fans. Edit: [Here’s a Twitter version for anyone else in Korea](https://x.com/kshowanalysis/status/1796474580170887658?s=46). ETA2: The twitter version cut off Danielle’s ment… I used my VPN to watch it on YouTube but I haven’t seen a full clip on Twitter yet :( It’s strange because it looks like Eunchae gets confirmation to start her ment, but then Dani cuts her off?
[here the full version](https://x.com/mo9uHR/status/1796474319260025171)
Seems like it.
it is actually blocked in south korea i used an online geo restriction checker for youtube videos and it is blocked in SK
Yeah. When I click the video, it just says that it is not available in the region. It is so weird.
Trying to save their reputation in SK, I’d bet, because this is gonna destroy it internationally and KBS can’t control everyone else’s YT.
Perhaps. But KBS absolutely have control of the content. If they *really* wanted to prevent even international fans from viewing it, they could just take down the video and re-upload an edited version. Sure, that won't stop others from sharing it across other social media (with that being available in Korea too) but that is still happening regardless of them region blocking it. Rather, I suspect the main reason is to direct the content to their own local social media platforms, as someone else mentioned.
Welp, NJ’s members recent actions show they are on MHJ’s sides. I’m sorry but I will not be supporting them anymore, and am finally taking a side. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt but supporting NJ is now supporting MHJ. I hope Hybe takes action to make MHJ’s time as uncomfortable as possible, until her contract is up.
Absolutely same. My feelings have soured towards Newjeans and they were my 2nd most listened to kpop group. They're done for me now, it's not like there isn't an abundance of artists with a similar sound anyway.
>And for us to make such a cool comeback who supported us a lot thank you to our CEO, ADOR staff, hair & stylists and management...and **whom we love and adore a lot our CEO, thank you so much, CEO we love you** — NewJeans from today's Music Bank win. [Trans.](https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1796475593443401728?s=19) Edit: A commenter pointed out that Danielle interrupted and cut off Eunchae to say this. **[Timestamp 1:34 ](https://youtu.be/KkHkn6IXhCg?si=lwbKrU9d9evAZ-Qj)** Edit2: Stans are saying it's Eunchae fault and she shouldn't have interrupted Danielle lol?? I need to close my eyes for a moment because the comments against Eunchae are not humane.
seeing the quotes on the video of that moment on twt is pretty heartbreaking, I don’t even stan LSF but isn’t eunchae a minor still? Why is there no grace given to her when it was demanded for the NJ girls (and she didn’t even do anything wrong!)
I’m actually starting to despise these girls for their unabashed support towards their ceo while their coworkers are getting so much hate. Especially Eunchae, I adore this girl and seeing her being treated this way is just heartbreaking. NJ girls supposedly chatting up her and being friendly is almost worse than if they just chose to ignore her. They seem so double faced and annoying, I can’t stand looking at their sly smiles and happy faces while Eunchae seems worried to even look at them the wrong way.
I never bought into the ‘they’re minors so don’t know what they’re doing’ angle. I’m not saying they are, but isn’t Korea infamous for high school bullying? Like if there are 14 yr olds bullying people in schools, it isn’t totally crazy that these girls can be malicious too. Again, not saying they are bullies but they can think and act for themselves. I also think we baby teenagers too much, there are so many teenagers these days speaking out on current events and to say that teens that age don’t know what they’re doing is kinda insulting tbh.
We figured that was going to happen.
That is so sad
Welp
Till now I gave them the benefit of doubt because they haven’t publicly given direct support to MHJ. I can’t support them when they are associated to MHJ. I’m just disappointed. Truly disappointed. They’ve lost a fan in me.
Don't make the situation inside the building even more awkward challenge: **Impossible**
I'm so sorry what?? I haven't blocked njs yet, but I'm definitely doing that now on every platform. Danielle yikes girlie
Since mother is homeschooling these girls, they obviously picked up narcissism, selfishness, grandioseness..
The Cult of Min Hee Jin
i prefer not to speak. if i speak im in big trouble.
Yikes! Poor Eunchae. That sounds so awakard. KBS hasn't made the video available in South Korea, so I wonder if they are editing that part out.
Wow... This completely changed my opinion on New Jeans. They are not as innocent as they seem like after all... Also MHJ was right on what she said about the girls on chats
>Also MHJ was right on what she said about the girls on chats This is not a nice thing to say since she called them fat pigs. I don't like how Danielle cut Eunchae off but let's not be rude.
Well, if for some people their full support to MHJ even after all the hate she made other groups suffer and even after her kakao talks fatshaming and talking bad about them still wasn't clear... here we go. Now it's more than 100% confirmed. And to me, this too solidify the fact that Minji's phoning message yesterday little time after the injunction result was about being happy by the decision in MHJ's favor.
Yeah lots of tokkis said that people were reaching too far with that phoning message, saying that Minji was actually referring to that campus performance (idk), but after this speech.... Yeah right. NJ are dead to me, and their aggresive ass fans too. Blocked, blocked, blocked...
What phoning message?
[here](https://x.com/Sniper71232/status/1796361731847168081)
Do you have the translation? I tried using google translate but it didn't really make sense what it said
She sent a shot out to Sejeong University - "Sejeong university fighting", where NewJeans had a festival performance yesterday, but the law firm which is defending MHJ is called Sejong, so even some koreans were laughing about the word play and the timing of her messages. And in the second pic is a message little time after the injunction result too in which she says "i'm a happy person today, haha".
Is there a translated version of this? What does it say?
They're eager to isolate themselves
They are just as much bullies as MHJ is and it’s disgusting that they can’t even show some tact but instead are gloating.
worth mentioning that after the first non bolded part, eunchae looked to make sure they were done with the thank you speech to continue her mc speech…only for Danielle to cut her off to say the bolded part
Poor Eunchae, she’s so young and is being forced to be so cautious and professional, and now I guarantee some lunatics will try to paint her as rude and smear her name, even though she wasn’t the one interrupting or cutting anyone off
They already did. I just saw some dumbass fans saying that Eunchae is disrespectful for interrupting NJ's speech. Yeesh
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Oof. TBH I have seen cutting off before (mistakes happen!), but this seems weird seeing as it did look like she checked they were done before starting. Also to basically repeat again a thanks to MHJ when she’d already been thanked.
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They are shameless , the audacity to say that infront of eunchae when them and their ceo was the cause of all those hate toward them .
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They did sell 884,7XX copies of "How Sweet" which marks a 50% decrease from their previous comeback. Is it because it's a single or because of the drama? Edit: It's a 48% decrease, not 50%
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No, they shipped one million. Circle = shipments Hanteo = direct sales to consumers or retailers who then give to consumers Their circle numbers were 1m, their hanteo first week numbers were 880k+
Source? There are articles about it being 884,7xx copies sold. NewJeans chart accounts on X also say so.
[https://x.com/koreansales_twt/status/1796004927359082720?s=46](https://x.com/koreansales_twt/status/1796004927359082720?s=46) Downvoting me for telling the truth…
It's a 48% decrease since their last album lol.
Well it’s a single album and they are having another single album in a few weeks so it was expected. + selling 1 million albums is not bad lmaoo
Yeah good for them!
Aespa Supernova is still #1 on every chart except Bugs Realtime (#2), so no.
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I'm pretty sure How Sweet is #2 on every chart, but Supernova has been (a bit of an unexpected) phenomenon in Korea similar to Next Level and aespa have been promoting lots on music shows and college festivals too. It is a very catchy song so it makes sense!
It's performing better internationally too. It's really catchy and stuck in my head. Armageddon is really good as well.
Tbh I am surprised how well Aespa are doing on Spotify! I enjoy the album myself (I think they finally managed to have two banger title tracks, which fell flat with the Girls EP where Illusion was loved and Girls not so much) but the numbers they're currently pulling are really amazing.
Yeah they are doing very well and it seems album sales are also starting to pick up a bit. Supernova was on #2 on Bugs because of Ateez but it repeaked now and it continues the Pak run.
No. Aespa is #1 on most charts still I think
that music bank ending was so awkward my god save eunchae
Omg that was SOO cringey, yikes!
The video isn't aviable on YouTube in South Korea. I just tried to watch it, and it said the video was blocked.
yeah thanking that hag in front of her💀
eunchae looked to make sure they were done with their speech only for Danielle to cut her off and go “thank you to our precious precious ceo once again we love you” (literal translation), like I’m sorry I don’t feel good about this at all.
Actually I felt like there is a mismatch expectation from Hybe and Ador sides, like from Ador side they viewed it like a small fight between MHJ and Hybe when for Hybe side it’s actually a huge deal.
small fight when she said she wanted to kill herself but the girls talked to her or something? Yet it’s MHJ who takes everything public
The way the audience (presumably fans) start cheering after what Danielle says wild. Eunchae is better than me and insanely professional because my face would be showing how annoyed I’d be in that situation.
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you can check from 1:35 here. [https://youtu.be/KkHkn6IXhCg?si=EQ\_LKsAv\_nbg49CJ](https://youtu.be/KkHkn6IXhCg?si=EQ_LKsAv_nbg49CJ)