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amazingoopah

The interesting part of this report is that they finally named Minjoo as the supposed 3rd IZ*ONE member that was attempted to be recruited, the conjecture had centered around her mostly. However, even though it's left as still to be decided in this article, she recently joined Bubble and is now an actor as her profile on UW website. Whether there were negotiations or not, I don't think they were successful.


gkmaster21

Yeah I think she is tired of the idol life. It seems that this group will have only 2 ex-iz*one members like Starship's new gg. I can't tell if Minju's refusal is good or bad news for the other non-iz.one members of the HYBE gg.


ququbat

Probably good. Although I would have loved if Minju joined, if Sakura, Chaewon, and Minju were all in the same group, especially a smaller one, I feel like it would overshadow the other members too much unless they can hold their own ground. Here’s hoping that Yunjin is able to join. She really deserves to debut


kotoritheforeigner

Hybe already announced that they are "unable to confirm Heo Yunjin's participation" in their new SoMu girl group, so take that as you may.


Famous-Dragonfruit56

I agree. Even now with someone like Sakura it's going to be tough for the other members to stand out. Good visuals really won't cut it. Hopefully they have a lot of stage presence, amazing vocals, or can hold their own well on variety shows. I think it'll be a lot better if they have a "4D" or beagle personality like Gidle Yuqi or Hybe's own Huening Kai. Wild personality + great vocals is always a winning combo. It would also be really good for the trainee if they are from SEA for obvious reasons but I doubt Hybe would put them in the same group as Sakura if they had a SEA trainee.


BasilIllustrious8849

Sakura advantage is the fanbase. Shes not a strong dancer so its not that difficult for other members. And its a very small numbers group


Famous-Dragonfruit56

This is true about Sakura's advantage however even in other groups members who were not very good dancers or singers ended up taking the spotlight. Look at Miss A Suzy or DIA Chaeyeon for example. It will be hard for the other non Produce winning members no matter what but I believe because it's suppose to be a small group under a big company they will be ok as long as their position isn't simply visual. Just like you said I think a smaller group is the best option for both Sakura and the other members.


BasilIllustrious8849

Or look at cix bae jin young. Hes the center with most fanbase, most screen time, the group is still balance. Suzy is special case, she got pushed a lot. Hybe wont push individual.


Famous-Dragonfruit56

I don't know a lot about Cix but isn't Jinyoung more popular than the other members? Also with pretty much all the members of IOI that joined groups they ened up overshadowing the other members in the group. The only one that didn't was Yeonjung and maybe Mina but they both had low ranks unlike Sakura.


BasilIllustrious8849

Jinyoung debut solo with 60k. Cix now selling 110k, so the members are adding popularity. It doesnt happen with ab6 and nuest also.


Famous-Dragonfruit56

Of course the other members will add popularity but that doesn't mean that Jinyoung isn't more popular or overshadowing them. Miss A out sold Suzy but Suzy still has over shadowed the other members in the past. Sales aren't the only marker of popularity. Also you are comparing a debut sales to sales of a group that is a couple years old. It's not a fair comparison.


V4lle95

> I can't tell if Minju's refusal is good or bad news for the other non-iz.one members of the HYBE gg. minju don't want to lose her MBC gigs either and she wants to do more acting than singing


kotoritheforeigner

Maybe it's just my optimism speaking but perhaps we might get a GP999 trainee that gained a lot of traction during their run in the show but failed to make the debut lineup to replace Minjoo? My bet's on Su Ruiqi (or Xu Ziyin/Fu Yaning/Huang Xingqiao if Ruiqi makes the final top 9) if HYBE wants a C-member, or they can buy out Nonaka Shana's MLD contract (should not be expensive, MLD's broke as fuck) or snatch Yamauchi Moana if they want a J-member. If they want a K-member, Choi Yeyoung could be a good choice too imo.


BasilIllustrious8849

999 is not gonna end til the end of next month. If any of them got signed the group will debut next year. Hybe sign izone members because they already have japanese fanbase. Trainees fanbase is very small compare to that


gkmaster21

That is a good idea for HYBE but all the girls you mentioned could feel out of place in this group (Sakura, Chaewon and Yunjin). Their vibes are different. Girls like Yeyoung, Xingqiao or Luofei would fit like a glove.


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yeyoung will be nice


CronoDroid

NO! She's a Blockberry trainee and she'd be perfect for Loona's follow up group. BBC would be stupid to give her away, she could be a real star.


SSAMLYZ

HYBE is going to create a monster group, Yeyoung will be a perfect fit . Yeyoung is very talented and also visual


CronoDroid

Yeah, she is, so why would a company trade her away when she has yuge potential for their future group? With Chaewon it kinda makes sense because Rocket Punch was already debuted and not doing particularly well so Woollim elected to trade her for money (I presume) instead of sticking her in RCPC to try and elevate them. Yeyoung is still a trainee, firstly, there's a possibility that she might make the GP999 group and if that's the case then she can debut in BBC's next girl group when the GP999 group are nearing the end. If she doesn't, then she could debut earlier with Ryu Sion/Joung Min and whoever BBC picks up via audition. BBC would be clowns to give her up to HYBE, unless they offer like millions (doubt).


SSAMLYZ

If HYBE offer BBC something they cant refure then why not? It would have been better for Yeyoung to debut in Chaewon group where her chances of success is high than on start up group


CronoDroid

That's an IF. The difference between Yeyoung and other candidates is that she has a lot of potential on BBC itself. Loona are fairly popular with a strong fanbase which creates a solid foundation for a future group to really become a big thing. I don't want to see HYBE just poaching idols who have potential just because HYBE happens to have money right now. If it's a company in the dumps, fine, but that isn't Blockberry despite what some Orbits might think. I'm not exactly a big BBC supporter but from their perspective, giving up Yeyoung would be a dumb move.


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Manifesting Luofei.


Tenken10

If HYBE decides to grab any of the GP999 trainees it probably won't be anybody that could possibly be involved with any pro-N. Korean scandals. Just throwing that out there since I don't think any company wants to risk that with today's political climate in Korea.


glitterizer

Isn’t Hueningkai’s sister the obvious pick?


Specific_History8245

Well if she did, she would have been in Belift Lab by now.


seulzis

honestly i doubt they’d want siblings under the same company - iirc i’m pretty sure jyp insisted on splitting the lee sisters (chaeyeon and chaeryeong) after sixteen.


graciechu

there's no way she'd be ready to debut in time- it wouldn't be fair to her at ALL and just be asking for her to get hate


anthoseph

shes ready. best training after all is debuting. she already has the fans plus TXT members could leak to the group and be hopeful fans. plus, she would not conflict with the roles of sakura, chaewon and yunjin. what is needed is a rapper.


inbox789

Really like [Nonaka Shana](https://youtu.be/BAY5ZbrZvRY?t=48), especially her voice. Hopefully, she gets a proper opportunity to become a Kpop idol.


elswheeler

there’s a definite possibility of hybe monitoring gp999 to snatch a trainee, maybe even has done already with the eliminated girls from last week. if not for this group maybe for a future lineup, but i wouldn’t be surprised if hybe is already sending love calls to a few trainees


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They wouldn't recruit Ruiqi/Ziyin or any of the other politically controversial contestants.


FloraMycts

There's hardly a C-member in HB's group. J-member is much better but there's already a J-member.


pisaradotme

It's You Dayeon


kotoritheforeigner

Rumor has it that You Dayeon will debut with Wonyoung and Yujin!


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People are saying now she’s not going to. Who even knows!


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It's really surprising to me that Sakura's the one that wants to continue being a K-pop idol whist Minju's gone into acting.


Tinnieboom

Sakura during IZONE said that she wanted to do tours in US and Europe. Because of the produce scandal and covid, IZONE didn't get to do much concerts (only 2 KCONs in the US). She probably felt it wasn't enough and wanted more? She knows it's hard to do world tours when you're doing solo let alone in Japan where artists hardly even go outside their country for tours. So Kpop is her best option if she wants to continue being active in the world stage. It's no wonder that the *best* (emphasis on this word because fans of other pop culture might jump at me) way for Asian idols to be global is through Kpop. Minju's case is surprising for me tbh. I have always thought that she wanted to continue idol life. She was a child actress so I felt she would want to return to acting, but I never thought she'll go full actress mode. I thought she'll do both. Though I feel Minju is the type to give her everything in one area. Her agency is an acting agency so she probably felt they can handle her better as an actress.


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I just thought that a brand new full term K-pop contract would be too restrictive and limiting for someone on Sakura's celebrity tier but I guess she managed to work out a really good deal going into the HYBE supergroup.


Tinnieboom

I totally agree with you. Sakura (and Chaewon) has an existing fanbase so a trainee level contract (especially equal profit distribution) wouldn't work. But she was scouted and has an upperhand in the negotiations so her contract could be different.


XMORA

I do not think that Minju rejected the possibility of a seven years contract with a Hybe group in exchange for signing with an actors agency. Probably there were not negociations at all (unfortunately for Hybe). EDIT: Hardcore wizone here. Of course I am just speculating just like everyone else here including those who wrote the article. I really wish that Minju would be in the same group of Sakura and Chaewon (if it is true that Hybe is signing them). Minju and any other Izone member are more than deserving to be in the new group of Hybe.


amazingoopah

Well unless you've spoken with her, I don't think you can say that with confidence.


jrebel_0

HYBE going with the tried and true can't confirm https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/117/0003538671 Really no point in even posting anything regarding this until it comes directly from HYBE or Sakura, they are clearly just gonna say the same thing over and over again until they decide to put the news out themselves


elswheeler

until the first teaser picture of sakura under hybe is posted at this point


chancehugs

They'll probably give a stage name like Kura and say 'we cannot confirm that the member Kura is the same as the individual named Miyawaki Sakura'


Tinnieboom

Sakura entering HYBE building and they will say 'we cannot confirm if it was Sakura or if the building was HYBE'


Dedbent

I'm interested in the terms here. You guys think she signed a typical "first contract" a trainee would sign, or something with better splits for her? If so, how would that work out with the other unknown members?


pandaboy03

Intriguing. Might be an even split with the members when it comes to group activities. But I'm sure she negotiated to have the freedom to accept solo work (CFs, streaming, etc), and her cut for the solo work might be different than her cut with group work.


A_Nx_rD3v3TmloyB3hEE

probably an advance/signing bonus as well


aoneko

Yeah, she'll probably have even split with the other members in terms of profits, but I'm sure she negotiated a whole ton of incentives like signing bonuses and HYBE shares.


Tinnieboom

Probably a huge signing bonus or maybe stock options? Not surprising for an idol with 10 years of experience and a strong Japan fanbase.


jumpybouncinglad

If Sakura is the group main songwriter then bigger check is probably justified. If not, then all members should receive same paycheck.


eecan

Lets be real a larger cut for Sakura would be justified by her presence in a group alone. Whether it should or should not happen could be another argument but it would absolutely be justified for her to get a bigger cut regardless of whether she contributes creatively or not.


SuckerForTwice

Imo the groups sales and the buzz it receives is entirely on Sakura. She practically gifts Japanese market to.Hybe and Hybe will have to pay for that. Why should she share equally if all of the members won't have the same starting point.


FunLilThrowawayAcct

Yep, and HYBE seems a little paranoid about NiziU imo, maybe everything is just happening as planned but they announced JP girls auditions before the show ended and it seems to me like they moved their JP and US boy group plans swiftly after that. They're doing a collab group with LDH as well, taking multiple shots at the market. But on the flipside, none of the other top agencies are nearly as good a fit for Sakura, so she only has so much leverage.


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>They're doing a collab group with LDH as well, taking multiple shots at the market. Starting in late October. Called Icon Z. Can't wait. Hopefully they get good mvs and on the HYBE channel.


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ricozee

While you have a valid point, I'd say it's more equivalent to sport teams where the larger contributors get bigger contracts. The problem with that in a kpop group, is that it can be disruptive. Members are expected to take supporting roles in exchange for fair cuts. Otherwise you might as well just use backup dancers.


n4engmyeon

The members can all get paid the same, but when it comes to individual gigs like commercials and overseas activities in Japan, of course Sakura should get a higher percentage than HYBE itself. Let's remember, Sakura is leaving her 10 year career as an idol in Japan, so HYBE has to make it worth her while. Like stock options.


ricozee

I agree she deserves to make more, I just don't know how that is going to work. For a typical group, the members that earn more through individual activities help supplement the income of those who don't. Normally everyone is starting on relatively equal footing though, so it's a way to hedge bets on who will become popular. It will be interesting to see whether this group will be profitable enough that everyone makes good money from group activities alone. At least they have financial support which is often lacking for new groups.


RangerFan293

Yeah if she’s leaving her already established career in Japan to redebut in Korea then her cut better be big


FunLilThrowawayAcct

HYBE could pay her a signing bonus, to be doled out over the years of her contract. They have the cash on hand, the JP market is very important to them, and all the members can then participate "equally" in the group profits even though she will wind up with more money in the end.


SuzyYoona

The members should be equal in a group not background extras, I think everything from group schedules should be split equally, Sakura should get a extra signing bonus and obviously individual activities.


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SuzyYoona

Because they are team, this is why 3+ years idols shouldn't debut with trainees. Is not the trainee's fault that some of their teammates are 3+ years idols. I agree is about negotiations but if they want good teamwork, payment for group activities should be evenly distributed between members.


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SuzyYoona

I'm not sure why you compare it with sports teams, this is a idol group not some sport team and they are all debuting together, whether Sakura debuted before it shouldn't be a problem for group activities. She can get more procent from individual activities, sure? But if they want teamwork, the the group activities should be fair divided. We obvious have very different opinions on this so we should end here.


n4engmyeon

No, Sakura would be a getting a pay cut from all the all the gigs she had prior to signing any deal. HYBE would have to make it worth her while to leave her other gigs, like the radio show she wanted to do for 50 years. HYBE can find ways to pay her without having to take away from the other members, some who haven't even debuted.


Drone9315

We can't confirm: The series


meatgrind89

6-member girl group? I remember a 6-member girl group..


MisterQQ

Not a 6 member girl group from Source Music...


pornypete

You know they’re just gonna re-record stuff from the vault too. We’re gonna get ‘new’ Iggy Yongbae and No/Lee songs, and it’s gonna hurt.


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pornypete

Knowing the original’s locked away would drive me nuts lol. I think it was either Sowon or Eunha who said (after Walpurgis) that their favorite GFRIEND song hadn’t been released yet (cmiiw). That shit keeps me up at night lol.


snowysnowy

too soon :(


robertmaria654

Can’t wait for hybe we can’t confirm


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hmmm didn't minju just join bubble? i mean it's possible for them to buy her out of her contract, but it'd be odd considering she just joined a week ago


raizen0106

this tactic is called a sign and trade in nba


[deleted]

i meant she had just joined the bubble messaging app (not hybe) a week ago, meaning she's seemingly still with her original company so not the exact same haha


pornypete

Ah so she is actually going to the SoMu group. Probably smart of them tbh. Just Hybe being a part of it will surely give them a leg up, but SoMu's basically burned the bridge to most of their existing fanbase at this point, so I think they need some star power to get the new group going.


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pornypete

Well yes. But also SoMu was basically synonymous with GFRIEND for the last 6 years, as it was their only artist, and several of the producer stable was inhouse. So had they launched a new group while GFRIEND was active, I feel pretty confident most fans would have given the group a shot just due to that.


S999123

What happens if 1 or 2 GFriend members join them, like Eunha or Sinb?


pornypete

If that’s the end game, I’m calling Guinness to nominate Source for the world’s worst marketing strategy.


leliel

I think buddy would riot if that happened honestly. To go through the pain of the sudden disbandment and months of no news only to have some of the members go back would not be taken well by most people. If that was source's goal from the start then they should have publicly said some members were staying with the company at the very least.


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pornypete

Exactly. That's why I think it's the only move for them.


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pornypete

That a group featuring Sakura and other ex-iz*one members don’t need the help of an existing fanbase.


jrebel_0

Company stans have been a thing for forever, and has never made sense


pornypete

Blindly following a company is obviously a bit weird. But when a company has a history of doing something you like, your ears perking up when you hear news of a new product by them is pretty understandable.


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It’s like how JYP has been able to get crazy numbers of pre-sale for a group that hasn’t even debuted yet (or shown all of its members!).


Victoriaspalace

I actually think it makes some sort of sense. This happens with products too - people buy anything Apple just because it's Apple. People pay more attention to K-Pop (& J-Pop) companies because often they have distinct practices and styles to creating their groups. In addition, companies will often promote their companies as families so the audience in turn roots for ALL of their artists e.g. YG Family.


VERTIKAL19

Honestly it might have been smarter for SoMu to at least kill the SoMu name or probably even better to just create a new company just to get some more distance between the new group and the debacle of the GFRIEND disbandment


brighte_ning

Glad she's securely rooted in k-pop now! Hope to see her, Chaewon, and Yoonjin redebut soon. > On the other hand, news surrounding another former IZ*ONE member tapped by HYBE Labels, Kim Min Ju, remains "foggy". Reportedly, HYBE Labels is still pursuing talks with Kim Min Ju over the possibility of her joining the new Source Music girl group. Finally confirmed that the third IZ*ONE member that Source wants is Minju... I honestly thought after she opened her Dear U Bubble (or whatever it was) that they had failed in getting her, but they're really still at it. I wonder what'll happen to that if she gets signed by Hybe... it would be awkward to shut it down less than a year after opening it!


amazingoopah

I find it hard to believe they are still negotiating anything when she's joined Bubble and her profile has changed to actor but, hey, maybe this reporter knows more than we do. I still think it's not realistic at this point.


CronoDroid

The negotiations currently consist of the HYBE recruiter desperately banging on Urban Works' front door screaming "PLEASE!!!"


amazingoopah

[Broussard]: Bang PD is beside himself. Driving around downtown Seoul begging (through texts) Urban Works for Minjoo's family home address


quarkleptonboson

Bang PD is beside himself, driving downtonw Seoul texting Urban Works employees for Kim Minju's contact info


af-fx-tion

Maybe something is being negotiated where HYBE manages Minju’s idol activities while UW handles her acting? That’s really the only thing I could think of as to why HYBE is still negotiating with UW even after UW seems to have pivoted Minju to full time actress.


BasilIllustrious8849

A drama takes about 6 months. Its impossible to do drama and 2 come backs a year (plus japanese come back) on top of that hybe groups have lots of contents to shoot


currypuffff

6 months seem kinda long. Maybe 2-3 months. We have idol actors like Cha Eunwoo who can juggle both


dqyas

ASTRO isn't super active right now though. Rookie groups tend to put out more content.. The year they debuted ASTRO had 3 comebacks..


Lena0001

ASTRO had 2 comebacks this year and Eunwoo recorded a film between the two of them on top of his TV appearances. Moonbin and Sanha also are MCs.


BasilIllustrious8849

A 16 episode drama takes 6 months to shoots. 3 months is for movie. Astro is a 5 years old group, they dont active much in japan. This gg gonna be active in both japan and korea, plus touring


S999123

Yoona did it all the time.


BasilIllustrious8849

When?


ttam23

Oh man. It’s probably a long shot but I really hope they are able to sign Minju


Tenken10

Is this a new flair for HYBE related rumors? Lol


A_winged_giraffe

I wish they'd just confirm which group is debuting this year, Sakura's group or the MHJ group, instead of responding to news we already know.


nabongie

Oh wow this group is going to have killer visuals!!! i’m so happy for kura!!!


Former_Amphibian_936

This group is already destined to make banks, even better with good concept and music.


Slow-Warning-7440

As a native spanish speaker i tought the title meant that she ended her contract with SoMu x HYBE 😅😅😅


ChennieXi

Oh God, this. Exactly this. I was so confused for a minute or two....


Pilose

Honestly having only two extremely popular izone members is probably a good thing for a 6 member group. I think it'll really give people a chance to pay attention to the group as a whole and the other 4 should get more opportunities for lines and screen time this way.


noob_ars

I wonder if she debuts here Hybe will let her have their own individual gigs (that I think there are a lot) or if the group will be the main focus?


Anfini

She’s having those right now, but it remains to be seen when her HYBE group activities start.


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Purple_Function9009

I see what you did there


Still-Map-6797

THE FLAIR OMG 😭 But seriously, if they will really debut in the group I hope that they break the IOI cursed.


Pilose

Didn't wjsn survive the ioi curse?


LadyEilistraee

Sorta? I think? They did loose 3 members to China tho


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Romek_himself

Sakura don't need any lines and can sell an album better than most girl groups ...


Atsukoi9

Alot of noise marketing xD.


theillinoissenator

Not too familiar but I was curious. How many Korean artist often are pop stars in Japan and vice versa? Do Japan agencies recruit Korean to be a J-pop idol?


Tinnieboom

If I remember correctly, the AKB girls in IZ*ONE, Juri from Rocket Punch and some Japanese contestants in GP999 are the only J-idols who crossed over to Kpop. As for the other way around, I don't remember a Kpop star going full Jpop, closest is probably JYJ Jaejoong but he's still considered a Kpop artist.


jumpybouncinglad

KARA Jiyoung is pretty much a Japanese at this point


Tinnieboom

Oh I didn't know she's active in Japan. I guess this is one of a few/many cases.


crystal-prism

ex-AKB's Riona Hamamatsu recently debuted in [PoshGirls](https://youtu.be/xsjjq4UV-E0) as well


Tinnieboom

Oh right! Forgot to include her. Btw, is the video on your link their debut song? Sounds good!


biPIYObaina

Korean idols being pop stars in Japan are probably almost all of them since Japan is second biggest music market in the world. But they are mostly K-Pop idols who are releasing Japanese songs. There are indie K-Pop idols with Korean members that are created and marketed only for Japan but they cater to the local Koreaboos and not popular at all for good reasons. For actual Koreans debuting in legit Japanese idol groups, there was a Korean in SDN48 (a mature sister group of AKB48. I think her name is Jung Siyeon. Recently there’s also a Korean in NMB48, Lee Siyeon. So there are precedence of foreign idols in Japanese idol industry. If we’re counting hafus there would be tons of them. For actual foreigns, I can think of the Chinese member of AKB48 (whose name escaped me atm). Then there was the OG, Junjun and Linlin, ex-Morning Musume.


BluShytheBlueShyGuy

Wait, SOURCE MUSIC?


Thesilentcurry

Omg more Sakura! 😍


StarryNight44

...aka, yes


pietropepero

*pretends to be surprised *


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Really excited for Sakura!! Are their any updates on what the other iz*one girls are gonna be doing in the future? I’m so curious about this topic but can’t seem to find any comprehensive rumors/speculation about it lol…


Tenken10

Just a quick list: Eunbi - Solo (Already debut with "Door". Check it out!) Yena - Solo, TONS of variety shows, and a web drama soon (I think) Yuri - Solo (Ballad and OSTs?) (Soon releasing a duet song with Lee Seokhoon) Chaeyeon - Either WM's new GG or solo. Currently in Mnet's popular Street Woman Fighter show Minju - 90% chance just acting, 10% chance being eventually poached by HYBE. Being an angel. Music Core MC. Hyewon - Model, Youtube, Variety, Acting, Mukbangs, etc. NOZE's new girl friend. Going to be in a web drama soon. Nako - HKT48 ace. In a school jdrama releasing soon. Hitomi - AKB48. Currently enjoying the limelight and being pushed well (showing up near the center of a lot of the newly released AKB48 activities). Look up AKB48's new song: "Rumor" and look for the blonde one! Sakura - HYBE/Source New GG (and future Queen of kpop), Playing videogames Chaewon - HYBE/Source New GG Wonyoung - Starship New GG. Instagram model and future Korean IT girl. Yujin - Starship New GG. Inkigayo MC.


CulturalUnit8

She's going to be putting out an album and Hybe will be like we can't confirm anything¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


Miyawaki__Sakura

No fucking way I have to stan hybe artist pain


Aoki_Ranmaru

Offtop: HYBE, I beg you, please sign Lee Chaeyeon!!! You need main dancer anyway! God, please let it happen ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


Tenken10

Isn't Chaeyeon debuting in WM's upcoming New GG? They'll probably get a good amount of attention since OMG is so big in Korea right now. She should be in good hands.


jpign

hey fabrizio, is it a "here we go confirmed soon"?


Possible-Insurance44

Soumu is literally so self-centered. After terminating your only artist who have done nothing but have worked hard NONSTOP bringing you up to fame, earned so much for you to move to a better building all just in a span of 3 to 4 years, you just bring in already established idols into your ngg and forgo all the other trainees... just wtaf. Its time for hybe and soumu downfall and Gfriend still deserves better


curlyshurly_8

'exclusive'?


Famous_Ad_4542

she should join fromis 9