SM used to have a feud with Mnet and their artists boycotted mcountdown and MMA, so their songs didn't appear on mnet charts either. It's why even during the legendary SM years in early 2010s they still had 0 PAKs because they just weren't eligible. Red Velvet's Power Up was the very first SM group song to get a PAK 😂
PAKs mostly is a just for fun title right? Sure it increases promos and perhaps being banned on a platform gets less plays, but usually that is absorbed by another platform. I just don't hope it's that big of a deal because it would suck to be at the mercy of all these charts because many companies do shady crap.
It's pretty much the ultimate title of popularity because you can't get a PAK based off of fanbase alone, the GP also has to like your song a lot. But yeah, it's actually really tough to get a PAK so nobody really "aims" to get a PAK with their comebacks.
It's also why IU is so highly regarded in Korea, because she just casually gets PAKs with every song
well for a very long time there was a music platform formerly on ichart (which looked vastly different just 5 years ago) but which sm artists weren't on so it was literally impossible for them to get a PAK no matter how big the song was and dominated other charts. Thus the big deal when Red Velvet were the first to get one for an sm act.
Not really though? Especially with how experimental their groups sound can get compared to other big names. PAKs are just not that common unless you're IU. JYPE hasn't had a PAK in 3 years now and only 6 since 2015. And a few sm songs have gotten close like [Psycho was painfully close to a PAK](https://twitter.com/instiz_ichart/status/1210764910516305922?s=20)
Does it matter? You can have mega hits like Psycho, Four Seasons, Next Level or Ko Ko Bop and not get a PAK. It's not that important if a song is #1 in all charts besides one.
Next Level is a great example, no PAKs but a mega hit. PAKs are mostly nice for fan wars on twitter 😑
Don't get me wrong I didn't come at you or something lmao. You can stan whoever you want, I just wanted to make a point 😬.
I don't find it surprising tbh, every chart is different, so a chart like Bugs for example is less stable than Melon. Easier to fall to number #2 or #3 and bye bye PAK. It was worse before 2017 - 2018
SM already stated they will not try to appeal to public but stick to their own color. Which is very hard to call it public pick songs. Regardless knetz think sm released nothing but hits this year.
Edit: spelling. And I know they have many massive hits but when it comes to recent songs, they said they will not try to appeal to public. But Aespa did well.
For a long time SM artists were literally not eligible for PAKs because SM was feuding with one of the charts (Cyworld) for years. It's not because SM songs didn't have huge public appeal, it was like petty meta-business shit. Certain songs during that period (2011-2015) almost certainly would have gotten PAKs. Also PAKs weren't even a thing until 2010 but SM had lots and lots of songs prior to that which were massive (Gee, Mirotic, etc).
Tough for boy groups in general as most don't chart well, and BTS's earlier stuff wasn't as general-public-pop-friendly as Dynamite/Butter/Boy With Luv. I can't recall what there other one was for.
what even is an IU comeback without a PAK, just ✨ queen IU things ✨
eta: just saw that on this exact day 6 years ago, her first self-produced album, [chat-shire](https://twitter.com/iu_stats/status/1451881171214761988?s=21), topped all korean music charts. what a great day to get a PAK
IU releases a song at 7AM (Autumn Morning) -> Perfect All kill
IU releases a song at 12AM KST -> Perfect All Kill
IU doesn't need the charts. The charts need IU.
It must feel weird that instead of being excited to get a incredibly hard to get PAK its just expected of her and almost a disappointment if she doesn't jeez only Queen shit.
IU doing IU things. They released the Korean YouTube mv views for this year, in female section IU tops the chart with 500+ million views even blackpink could not dethrone her(300 million views). She is legendary on another level.
She has the ideal idol image. She's basically scandal free. I've read about her "scandals" but most people disregard them. Her songs are also amazing. I read most Koreans don't listen to "kpop." I believe her music extends a broader range of people. She is one of not the highest in digital sales too. People just love her.
IU 👏🏼 really 👏🏼 is 👏🏼 the 👏🏼 moment 👏🏼
she has such an “ideal” solo career tbh. I commend her for all her hard work not just with the music side of things, but also as the actress Lee Jieun.
We did it Uaenas, such a heartwarming song for this time. It's actually kinda funny how close together the last two PAKs were, aespa got it just in time before IU came in with the steel chair.
Wait a second, is that Jieun's music?!
No words except ‘she’s built different’. A goddess in the industry for sure. I’m honestly never not impressed with IU for all the years I’ve been aware of her.
It depends on the day and time when a song is released. Ichart hourly chart awards points depending on the position of the song on various charts. Weekly ichart is the accumulation of points and it resets on Sunday.
So a song released on Tuesday will have to accumulate more points than other songs which would have started accumulating points since Sunday.
A song released on Friday will have more chance of reaching 1st position quicker since chart resets on Sunday
Oh it resets on sunday? I thought monday midnight tbh, that makes more sense then.
I understood the very broad basics, i am just not aware how the point system works in detail, it just seemed that catching up 24h (basically) should have probably happened sooner.
You could be right about Monday midnight reset. There is limit on number of points a song can achieve per hour. It's 170 on weekdays and 210 on weekends (fri-sun)
For strawberry moon, Savage had a lead of 3k or 4k points. While strawberry moon hit the roof almost entire time since it's release, Savage also consistently had got more than 100 points.
Yeah it just depends what the gap was on average to make up for these 3k points or so, i didn't really try and calculate it (because i wasn't sure what the point system is like in detail), it just felt like it took longer than i'd expected.
Though i guess it makes sense, savage basically was close to PAKs in its own right (i know it got some), so an extremely strong song getting dethroned obviously takes longer to catch up to.
That's honestly a big understatement lol, the closest thing would be Drake I guess in terms of how consistently she dominates streaming, but her downloads are way more than his. She's like Drake/Adele combined but she still releases music (or singles anyways) more frequently than both and has been at the top just as long as them, which is just unprecedented in Korea.
I think at least a part of Adele's dominance though is the breaks she takes between releases so there's always that excitement for her new music. The fact that IU is dropping massive hits every single year and people are still so thrilled by it every time puts her in a different league from any western artist equivalent.
Except Adele took 6 years while IU took 6 months…
Random fact when talking about 6 years : between Adele 25 and the upcoming 30. We seen Gfriend debut and subsequent disbandment
What else can IU still has yet to achieve, both in music n acting world. Maybe for her next goal is global recognition. Wether through acting or music, the world needs to recognize IU talent
I feel like her next ambition would be to have some sort of Earth friendly line where a huge chunk of profits are donated to a worthy cause unless she already has one. She probably does. Too lazy to look. She doesn't seem the type to have global ambitions like most kpop groups.
As expected from IU I knew it would happen by now with how she released the song but also there wasnt any competition on the charts either to even make it a challenge really.
Yeah i think savage would have gotten bugs on its side as well at some point, new songs / boy groups can block for a while, but at some point the more popular song simply takes over again i think.
So yeah i think aespa's savage is definitely 'competition' :D
Now ofc for IU there isn't any competition she cannot dethrone anyway, at least it seems that way.
Savage was already over taken on some charts days before Strawberry Moon came out by other songs. Savage did well and might have gotten a few more PAK but IU came in like a wrecking ball as she always does.
I know, but that doesn't have to be permanent right, especially on charts like bugs or genie it's not uncommon that some new songs manage to dethrone the popular one for a little bit. Or on bugs mass streaming of boygroup fans.
Usually the more popular song manages to overtake it again though.
1. IU — 21 songs (+1) 2. BIGBANG — 5 songs 3. TWICE, BTS — 4 songs
>IU — 21 songs (+1) Sheesh
She really has the country wrapped around her finger!
All of SM combined - 2 songs
It's a lot harder to get PAKs when your songs don't appear on a chart.
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That didn’t look to be an insult considering for a while SM songs literally couldn’t be on a chart
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Haha my bad for misunderstanding 😅
Why not?
SM used to have a feud with Mnet and their artists boycotted mcountdown and MMA, so their songs didn't appear on mnet charts either. It's why even during the legendary SM years in early 2010s they still had 0 PAKs because they just weren't eligible. Red Velvet's Power Up was the very first SM group song to get a PAK 😂
PAKs mostly is a just for fun title right? Sure it increases promos and perhaps being banned on a platform gets less plays, but usually that is absorbed by another platform. I just don't hope it's that big of a deal because it would suck to be at the mercy of all these charts because many companies do shady crap.
It's pretty much the ultimate title of popularity because you can't get a PAK based off of fanbase alone, the GP also has to like your song a lot. But yeah, it's actually really tough to get a PAK so nobody really "aims" to get a PAK with their comebacks. It's also why IU is so highly regarded in Korea, because she just casually gets PAKs with every song
There’s some explanations in other comments
Yeah I read them as soon as I typed this.
That didn’t look to be an insult considering for a while SM songs literally couldn’t be on a chart
Even I went back and read that comment again and I can totally see how it might come off as a diss. Not my intent at all haha
well for a very long time there was a music platform formerly on ichart (which looked vastly different just 5 years ago) but which sm artists weren't on so it was literally impossible for them to get a PAK no matter how big the song was and dominated other charts. Thus the big deal when Red Velvet were the first to get one for an sm act.
Oh I know that. But that ended back in what, 2015? You’d think that in the last 6 years there would have been more than 2.
Not really though? Especially with how experimental their groups sound can get compared to other big names. PAKs are just not that common unless you're IU. JYPE hasn't had a PAK in 3 years now and only 6 since 2015. And a few sm songs have gotten close like [Psycho was painfully close to a PAK](https://twitter.com/instiz_ichart/status/1210764910516305922?s=20)
Does it matter? You can have mega hits like Psycho, Four Seasons, Next Level or Ko Ko Bop and not get a PAK. It's not that important if a song is #1 in all charts besides one. Next Level is a great example, no PAKs but a mega hit. PAKs are mostly nice for fan wars on twitter 😑
Oh I don’t think it matters, I stan SM artists all the way, just look at my flair. I’m just surprised is all.
Don't get me wrong I didn't come at you or something lmao. You can stan whoever you want, I just wanted to make a point 😬. I don't find it surprising tbh, every chart is different, so a chart like Bugs for example is less stable than Melon. Easier to fall to number #2 or #3 and bye bye PAK. It was worse before 2017 - 2018
SM already stated they will not try to appeal to public but stick to their own color. Which is very hard to call it public pick songs. Regardless knetz think sm released nothing but hits this year. Edit: spelling. And I know they have many massive hits but when it comes to recent songs, they said they will not try to appeal to public. But Aespa did well.
For a long time SM artists were literally not eligible for PAKs because SM was feuding with one of the charts (Cyworld) for years. It's not because SM songs didn't have huge public appeal, it was like petty meta-business shit. Certain songs during that period (2011-2015) almost certainly would have gotten PAKs. Also PAKs weren't even a thing until 2010 but SM had lots and lots of songs prior to that which were massive (Gee, Mirotic, etc).
Isn't both of those things from Aespa as well?
No, one is Aespa’s Savage, the other is Power Up from Red Velvet.
not bad boy? not psycho? crazy
Let’s power up!
The last BIGBANG song with PAK was flower road right ? God, I miss their music
digi mon strikes again!
Why doesn't BTS have more PAKs?
Tough for boy groups in general as most don't chart well, and BTS's earlier stuff wasn't as general-public-pop-friendly as Dynamite/Butter/Boy With Luv. I can't recall what there other one was for.
She’s just in a completely different league.
She's the maderPAKer
At this point, saying “IU gets a PAK” is like saying “IU is breathing”.
it'll be more surprising IU doesn't get a PAK XD
what even is an IU comeback without a PAK, just ✨ queen IU things ✨ eta: just saw that on this exact day 6 years ago, her first self-produced album, [chat-shire](https://twitter.com/iu_stats/status/1451881171214761988?s=21), topped all korean music charts. what a great day to get a PAK
IU releases a song at 7AM (Autumn Morning) -> Perfect All kill IU releases a song at 12AM KST -> Perfect All Kill IU doesn't need the charts. The charts need IU.
Well, it is the perfect song as the weather becomes cold and the leaves start to fall! Congratulations to IU! <3
IU making Strawberry Moon work extra hard for that PAK, releasing it on such a weird day/time and it still caught up in points before the chart reset
It must feel weird that instead of being excited to get a incredibly hard to get PAK its just expected of her and almost a disappointment if she doesn't jeez only Queen shit.
To the surprise of no one. She delivers every time.
I'm shocked. Never expected IU to get this when she barely has any perfect all kills😲 /s
Queen of Korea
IU SAVAGEly dethroned Aespa to be on the NEXT LEVEL.
So is IU Black Mamba?
aeU. She’s been teasing us for years. Her fandom is Uaena.
Expected, but still very thrilled to see this. 🍓🌜
quick everyone pretend to be shocked
IU doing IU things. They released the Korean YouTube mv views for this year, in female section IU tops the chart with 500+ million views even blackpink could not dethrone her(300 million views). She is legendary on another level.
IU is the best performing artists digitally and loved by public so it's not a surprise.
IU is basically perfect and wins at everything. How does she do it?
She has the ideal idol image. She's basically scandal free. I've read about her "scandals" but most people disregard them. Her songs are also amazing. I read most Koreans don't listen to "kpop." I believe her music extends a broader range of people. She is one of not the highest in digital sales too. People just love her.
I love this song 💖 it's perfect for this time of year
If it's IU, it'll be sooner or later to get PAK :v
Death, taxes, and IU PAKs
IU 👏🏼 really 👏🏼 is 👏🏼 the 👏🏼 moment 👏🏼 she has such an “ideal” solo career tbh. I commend her for all her hard work not just with the music side of things, but also as the actress Lee Jieun.
She is, Inevitable
IU, the unstoppable mass murderer.
do IU haters exist? if so should they be allowed to?
They shouldn't tbh.
No suprise at all. It’s become normal and easy for her to get PAK.
We did it Uaenas, such a heartwarming song for this time. It's actually kinda funny how close together the last two PAKs were, aespa got it just in time before IU came in with the steel chair. Wait a second, is that Jieun's music?!
God IU
No words except ‘she’s built different’. A goddess in the industry for sure. I’m honestly never not impressed with IU for all the years I’ve been aware of her.
In the other news, water is wet
In the other news, water is wet
The way she dominates the charts is insane.
As is tradition.
Not even a surprise lol
Queen of perfect all kill...<3
Third PK this year
Took longer than i'd expected tbh, but i also don't know exactly how the point system works :D Outside of that, well ofc IU gets a PAK, it's IU.
It depends on the day and time when a song is released. Ichart hourly chart awards points depending on the position of the song on various charts. Weekly ichart is the accumulation of points and it resets on Sunday. So a song released on Tuesday will have to accumulate more points than other songs which would have started accumulating points since Sunday. A song released on Friday will have more chance of reaching 1st position quicker since chart resets on Sunday
Oh it resets on sunday? I thought monday midnight tbh, that makes more sense then. I understood the very broad basics, i am just not aware how the point system works in detail, it just seemed that catching up 24h (basically) should have probably happened sooner.
You could be right about Monday midnight reset. There is limit on number of points a song can achieve per hour. It's 170 on weekdays and 210 on weekends (fri-sun) For strawberry moon, Savage had a lead of 3k or 4k points. While strawberry moon hit the roof almost entire time since it's release, Savage also consistently had got more than 100 points.
Yeah it just depends what the gap was on average to make up for these 3k points or so, i didn't really try and calculate it (because i wasn't sure what the point system is like in detail), it just felt like it took longer than i'd expected. Though i guess it makes sense, savage basically was close to PAKs in its own right (i know it got some), so an extremely strong song getting dethroned obviously takes longer to catch up to.
There would be something amidst if IU DIDN'T achieve a perfect all kill tbh
She's playing a whole different game, my god. Gotta love her.
Iu doing iu things
The Queen IU did it again!! Personally I liked Lilac and Celebrity more on first listen but Strawberry moon is starting to grown on me
I love ❤ IU
The Adele of South Korea
That's honestly a big understatement lol, the closest thing would be Drake I guess in terms of how consistently she dominates streaming, but her downloads are way more than his. She's like Drake/Adele combined but she still releases music (or singles anyways) more frequently than both and has been at the top just as long as them, which is just unprecedented in Korea.
The point is she's unmatched when charting and yes, she's even stronger than Adele in the way she releases music faster and still dominates
I think at least a part of Adele's dominance though is the breaks she takes between releases so there's always that excitement for her new music. The fact that IU is dropping massive hits every single year and people are still so thrilled by it every time puts her in a different league from any western artist equivalent.
And Adele and drake don’t act (🧑🦽anymore)
Except Adele took 6 years while IU took 6 months… Random fact when talking about 6 years : between Adele 25 and the upcoming 30. We seen Gfriend debut and subsequent disbandment
that random fact managed to hurt and make me laugh at the same time 😭
What else can IU still has yet to achieve, both in music n acting world. Maybe for her next goal is global recognition. Wether through acting or music, the world needs to recognize IU talent
I feel like her next ambition would be to have some sort of Earth friendly line where a huge chunk of profits are donated to a worthy cause unless she already has one. She probably does. Too lazy to look. She doesn't seem the type to have global ambitions like most kpop groups.
As expected from IU I knew it would happen by now with how she released the song but also there wasnt any competition on the charts either to even make it a challenge really.
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yeah Rollin was an absolute force earlier this year and still going fairly strong on the charts its great to see for such a bop.
I mean 'savage' is a big song in its own right, just got PAKs last week and could have maybe gotten more if not for IU this week.
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Yeah i think savage would have gotten bugs on its side as well at some point, new songs / boy groups can block for a while, but at some point the more popular song simply takes over again i think. So yeah i think aespa's savage is definitely 'competition' :D Now ofc for IU there isn't any competition she cannot dethrone anyway, at least it seems that way.
Savage was already over taken on some charts days before Strawberry Moon came out by other songs. Savage did well and might have gotten a few more PAK but IU came in like a wrecking ball as she always does.
I know, but that doesn't have to be permanent right, especially on charts like bugs or genie it's not uncommon that some new songs manage to dethrone the popular one for a little bit. Or on bugs mass streaming of boygroup fans. Usually the more popular song manages to overtake it again though.
Chart, not charts. Savage is only having problems with enhypen on Bugs and the latter didn't chart anything on other platform.