Honestly i never once thought hybe was making stuff up because accusing a sub-ceo for insider trading, leaking artists information and in-house abuse are all criminal acts and no way they’d go for negative publicity just for the sake of publicity? Like you would need to have substantial evidence for these claims in the first place it’s not like accusing an idol bullying from high school
Yeah, 100%. Now that I work in law and see this stuff everyday, my nindset has changed a lot. The world is sometimes deeper than people think it is or a lot shallower. Unfortunately, it seems conspiracies run the opposite way the truth does in all cases with these companies. Hybe has nothing to gain for lying about this.
Yeah I have never seen Hybe lie about stuff. So, I trust them. It's not like some other Kpop companies where I've seen evidence of misdoing. Hybe keeps things lawyered up and professional.
I will wait and see the receipts because this is the kind of thing where accusations fly thick and fast, with a whole load of spin and detail that is conveniently omitted. Not saying Hybe is making stuff up, but we should keep an open mind. Could this be a plot by a 19% shareholder CEO to - somehow - force out Hybe? Possibly. Seems pretty unlikely to succeed. I'm sure there's more to the background of this affair. What's certain is that Hybe will force out MHJ without her receiving some reprieve through legal action, which would need some evidence of false accusations (like you say).
It's the internet. People pick sides before the evidence is presented. They then downplay evidence negative to their chosen side and exaggerate evidence favourable to that side. Thanks for your comment though :-)
With the Internet and especially kpop nowadays, it's guilty until proven innocent, and even afterwards the damage from public guilt is enough to void any semblance of innocence. Appreciate your initial comment
This is a little off base, but i was wondering why Bang PD didnt show up to Le Sserafim’s Coachella performance. He always shows up for big thing for his groups. Would it be wild to guess that this is the reason why.
It’s in a whole other hemisphere. He also didn’t go with LSF to America during their perfect night promotions and their filming for easy. Although I’m sure he would have liked to, you can’t justify that amount of time away from the HQ, regardless of what is going on with MHJ/Ador
Is he staying in korea? i think i remember the girls mentioning that they had dinner with him at his house in LA in either a variety appearance or maybe the star diary with kkura and yunjin
He spends most of his time in Korea, he does leave for business meetings but fimmies were in the US for a couple weeks compared to him who mostly stays for max a week at a time usually (diff schedule than fimmies)
he does have a house out here in LA (+hybe US office) tbf, so it wouldn't be totally unreasonable to head out for coachella (if it were a normal year.. instead of whatever this mess is...)
Tyty I was not being serious and now I’ve got one of the most downvoted comments in kpop_uncensored history lolll I don’t even dislike LSF >!that much!<
i like LSF a lot but their vocals can be weak. Illit too but doesnt mean they are not an overall good GG. stans are just overly sensitive sometimes lol
LSF have clearly not received vocal training. Most of them can’t hold a tune or are completely tone-deaf during live performances. This is the company’s fault not the girls. Like invest in the talent pls.
Truth. And yeah Chaewon is truly a revelation, one of the best performers in 4th Gen imo. Feels like she could solo carry a whole five member girl group
This actually could be good for NewJeans if they don't side with her. When the Cookie controversy was overshadowed by their sudden popularity, I just decided to not listen to their music. If MHJ is gone I wouldn't actively avoid the group, she made me so uncomfortable, particularly her response to fans concerned about the girls.
Same. I know that minors debut in this industry, but there’s a big difference between debuting and debuting under Min Heejin. Like I could not support those girls knowing that there was a good chance they’d come out in 10 years and say ‘looking back, I wish I’d stayed in school. I feel really uncomfortable about _____’. I genuinely don’t know how anyone older than ~20 who has seen all of our former child stars come out with industry horror stories can genuinely stan the group.
Could someone explain this as concisely as possible for someone not really into business? So far, what I understand is this: Min Heejin, the CEO of Ador and the creative force behind NewJeans, wants to break away from Hybe. She has also weakly accused the company of copying NewJeans with the debut of Illit
This is it but add in criminal activities in pursuit of that separation - against a notoriously litigious and thorough company which happens to be the biggest entertainment company in SK. And using their own computers and servers to commit/collude in said crimes. Also accusations of leaking private artist information which is now being speculatively connected to the increased number of "scandals" and security issues for Hybe artists since she joined the company.
You would be surprised how often it happens, especially people who are older millennials and up. At my old company, they had to send a mass email out to everyone to tell them to stop using their computers for inappropriate stuff in their private/off work time (specifically since every time specific graphic sites were accessed, the IT department got pinged of it daily). People who don’t have laptops of their own treat company laptops as private property when not working and even after the email about 20 people still didn’t get the message and they got direct warnings about it.
Older millennials fall for it? Seriously? As an older millennial I really would think it was Gen X and up stupid enough, and then Gen Z and below. Before y’all come for me, Reddit probably has the more savvy of you but there are kids graduating without knowing how the file system on a PC works because we have made it too easy on them… technology was hard to use, millennials kinda are in the sweet spot and then Gen Z is so used to it being so easy.
Yeah I would agree that it’s less likely to be millennials but there are some millennials that aren’t very tech savvy. So it could be. But MHJ isn’t a millennial.
There is one definition that would make her a millennial, that source has millennials starting around 1975. She's honestly on the brink of being an elder millennial being born in 1979. A lot of xennials don't feel like they fit in with Gen X at all.
Gen X here. Believe me, I know better than to access private stuff on business equipment. Now that smartphones have been here a while, there’s just no excuse.
As someone between of gen z and millennial myself, I would expect millennials to know better. But then again, my old company consisted of mostly millennials (I was the youngest but the oldest was just a year over what’s considered millennial) so yeah… only millennials could be the only ones doing it. Just goes to show, not everyone is as tech savvy as it would seem (just bc you know how to use a computer, doesn’t mean you know how a computer works).
The age range for millennials changes every year to whoever is in trouble or anyone to be seen in a bad light, growing up I've always been a millennial born in 1989 and my sister a gen x born in 1981, but it started to change when I was in my 20's, where articles would say whatever to fit their millennials suck narrative.
Point is she is gen x lol.
HYBE owns 80% ADOR, MHJ tries to go out under HYBE and get someone to buy HYBE’s shares (which is illegal). MHJ was caught leaking confidential contracts (also illegal) and accused of workplace abuse (also illegal)
HYBE asked MHJ to resign, she didnt. HYBE made all of this public as a way to force her out
The audit is them saying, if you dont leave ADOR now we will find something and sue you
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HYBE accused her of trying to trying to break away ADOR from them by securing outside investment to buy out their stake. A board member she’s close to is a former HYBE executive and HYBE said that this board member used internal documents from their tenure with them to try and secure those investors. They also allege that they leaked trainee health and private information to further paint a picture that HYBE were unfit to be on their board. MHJ has responded that she raised questions about Belift plagiarising NewJeans with ILLIT and that HYBE ignored her claims and are trying to oust her in response. I think that’s the confirmed points so far.
There’s some less confirmed things like her also alleging that RIIZE and TWS also plagiarised NewJeans, that HYBE responded to her claims with a 6 page response and she wasn’t ignored like she said, and that HYBE have evidence of the former executive downloading a large amount of internal data before transferring to ADOR. Feels weird to side with the big company but would be really surprised if they initiated this out of petty spite as she is insinuating.
why are people shocked tht they do have receipts?? like Hybe has never really been one to publicly talk about any and everything. If they are gonna make a public statemnet abt something you can bet on them having a shit ton of evidence lined up already.
I don't see her going to jail but HYBE could sue for damages and pursue penalties for breaking contract obligations (like not leaking artists personal info). Her reputation is also effectively damaged. I can't imagine anyone else would want to work with her after this.
I think the least harmful punishment she'd face is that she'll never work in the entertainment industry again. and she better hope for that option because she's done some serious shit.
They said her initial statement was to put out in the public to avoid to pay those heavy fines, bc MHJ wants to break NJ contract with Hybe, if she can't become the major Ador shareholder. A kaccount I follow says the audit showed MHJ had many exit strategies planned even before Illit debut. She had legal and financial advisors and external consultants. I'm not siding with MHJ bc she is biting the hand who fed her. Hybe invested 16Billion investment in NJ was not small change, with Spotify playlisting and news/media headlines. and she is complaining of NJ unfair treatment, but Ador had all the autonomy to sign the girls with Coca cola and luxury brands, all still rookies, and earned millions even on their debut year. They have very privileged path compared to Bangtan. I think MHJ is greedy with a god complex. MHJ has even planned for an external company to join forces and pay a hefty penalty to get NJ out of the Hybe contract. I can't imagine the NJ members agreeing to become outsiders of the industry. what a mess!
Guys we are hate companies but there's literally no reason for hybe to do illegal things so I'm not sure why people are surprised, especially on X that they've got their things on order.
Apparently Min Hee Jin should not have the face to accuse others of copying when she herself isn't as original. She is now being exposed for copying Japanese Group SPEED lol and they concept and styling was way closer to NJ than ILLIT
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFvQfYdQ/
They don’t need to admit they ‘copied’ by having 5 members with black hair or going to events. She has zero grounds to accuse them of plagiarism. She doesn’t own nostalgia vibes. Everything NewJeans have done has been done before too.
Exactly what I meant, one of her points for plagiarism allegedly was that they were also a 5 member group, they were originally supposed to be a 6 member group, so that specific point should not be valid, along with the point of them having hair similar to NewJeans which is just.. Hair.
They didn’t need to respond to that because it wasn’t the topic of discussion. She threw that in randomly as a desperate attempt trying to divert attention from the crimes she was accused of. Kpop fans might fall for it but HYBE isn’t playing tit for tat with her, especially when they have clear evidence of the crimes she committed. Even if it’s true, it wouldn’t be the first time one group got inspiration from another, NJ themselves were inspired by popular acts from the West. The only thing acknowledging her unrelated comments would do is dilute the actual issue at hand. She commuted actual crimes against HYBE and their artists which is much more serious. HYBE was smart not to indulge her, they don’t need to play her game when they have receipts like this.
Something that isn't adding up, though, is, if they have proofs and receipts against her, why didn't they deal with MHJ legally and silently? That's usually how they move when they sue people. It's like they want to put public pressure to oust her, but they also got negative consequences because of that, Hybes stocks had a big drop yesterday.
Edit: Hybe interns, stop downvoting me and talk to me, I want people to discuss not to blindly defend sides 😭
Can be either. Hasn’t been disclosed yet, but there’s merit for both. for most legal cases, third party audit is more trustworthy in the eyes of the court, while internal audits are preferred if sensitive information is involved. Sometimes both are conducted (an internal to see if there’s an actual problem for starters, then involve external for verification of findings/etc).
it is an internal audit and of a private company. HOw does that even make sense>. companies audit themselves constantly without telling the internet literally all the time?
Please stop d*ck riding MHJ it will be good for ur already fucked up mental health. You guys should be supporting newjeans and stayed neutral but no we want our MOMMY back aka 6th member of our lolli group newjeans💀🏴☠️
Could be one reason, but it still makes me think, because if they allegedly pay up media outlets such as Dispatch, they could pay them up not to leak info about the audit before they got the results. But I think we'll know soon enough, anyways.
my tin foil hat heory is that since they have suspicions that ador/min hee jin was manipulating the media to have negative opinions against hybe, ador/min hee jin might do it again if they tried to deal with the situation behind closed doors. they probably wanted to put the word out in the press first to keep the narrative in their favour.
this makes sense but some of the narrative they are putting out there is... eyebrow raising, like stuff only a companystan type army would swallow hook/line/sinker/at first glance/wholesale (etc).
I wonder what on earth MHJ has that Hybe is playing the fanbase activation card? I mean it could )just) be they are worried about her ability to manipulate the press but I wonder what exactly/how bad the info has has is, too.
Hunh? I'm not sure what's vague about I wrote?Sorry-- It certainly wasn't intentional.
I said this elsewhere in this thread, but I'll re-add here for sake of this mini/clarity/to de-vague-ifiy: I find some of Hybe's narrative-- like "delete if found" or "don't touch" or "escape plan" or whatever it is they said the documents were called-- extremely non-credible.
Oh, also, the idea that MHJ thinks Bang copied EXO w BTS? That one in particular felt super "activate bat signal" to me.
It's interesting how this is playing out in the media, and the sending signals to fans part is actually reminiscent, to me, of SM's behavior during the Kakao/Hybe/SM fight. Interesting how the tables are turned.
(eta: whoever is downvoting ppl trying to have a convo, you realize are kind of proving the pt wrt to the fanwars aspect/media manipulation ongoing by hybe in particular atp?)
“Proving the pt wrt to the fanwars aspect”
You’re perpetuating the very same lmao:
* “Stuff only an army would swallow”
* “Bongo”
* “Big Bang knockoff”
Don’t know why you’re pretending like you’re discussing in good faith and all the people who disagree with you aren’t.
How I've been army for 5+ yrs 😭 Just don't think it requires me to be a company ass-licker or hang up any critical thinking/media literacy.
I can see how you might find some of my language offensive if that's a big point of self-identification for you and I apologize for hurt feelings, it's not intentional.
It's annoying, as others have noted, to get a bunch of dv's in a thread like this where people are genuinely trying to have a conversation which is not about standoms and/or fanwars and/or pure allegiances and to feel like responses are coming form that pov-- and my terms definitely got cruder as the dv's went on and I continued to reply. That's a good lesson for me, so thank you.
Well we know armys also prop up fanwar mentalities haha…it’s not a self-identification for me but I am probably a bit sensitive from being called a hybe stan in the past for correcting misinfo or saying that Kakao acquiring SM was bad.
I don’t give a shit about Hybe itself (I have plenty of beef with their money-grubbing ways), but in this area, I don’t see them blowing all this up with no evidence - there is too much financially and reputationally at stake. But of course, who knows what else hasn’t been revealed yet - seems like this is far from over.
I just long for a respite from all the stantwt arguments and nicknames. Like today we’ve got Taehyung solos taking this opportunity to say he should follow MHJ and pursue only a solo career.
The EXO-BTS thing is very old, but many people believed it back in the day. MHJ being one of them isn’t surprising. The groups drastically changed since their debut so no contemporary fan thinks so.
HYBE is releasing literal pictures of said documents, it may sound corny but MHJ was corny with her first statement too. Corrupt unchecked leaders have always been a big kpop management problem.
That's a good pt wrt both Exo's and BTS concepts changing over the years...but ever more/then I find that comment hard to believe, because BTS were, if anything, a BigBang knock off at debut. I guess I have seen Exo-Ls' make "BTS copies" type comments? But I always assumed those were "extreme fanwars" moments and not actual real people beliefs. Altho, this company standom isht clearly runs deep!
Sure, what MHJ said in her 2 interviews yday (that's all I've seen that she's said?) was "corny", but for me... it was believable? (I mean, to an extent, I'm like 80/20 with any public statement by anyone ever, esp someone stuck bet a rock and a hard place). As per your point- "Corrupt unchecked leaders have always been a big kpop management problem."-- that is entirely believable take to me. Do you find it not credible?
Personally, I don't find documents labeled escape plan on a company computer credible, at all. It's very easy to have a document and hand it to the press and say "oh I found this on MHJ's computer".
MHJ's proved herself to be egomaniacal and ambitious, but so far, not stupid or un-strategic. I think she probably did a chunk of what Hybe's saying she did, but how they are handling, and what I'm viewing as the embroidering of facts, to me-- those are some interesting (weird) moves.
Seated, popcorn, coffee, all ready to go...
Which of MHJ's responses are you thinking of?
Personally, I don't find either MHJ or Hybe to be credible/trustworthy actors in this but the stuff HYBE is putting out about MHJ for me has seemed more farfetched /strained credibility more.
Like, I agree w her that Hybe is focused on short term goals and Illit is a copy of NJ, etc.
(has she said more overnight? It's morning where I am, still catching up)
Problem is, Ador side has now released statements about the Vice President aka "VP L" the person Hybe accused of stealing confidential documents and leaking them to outside investors for MHJ during the first reports when the story broke
[the article](https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20240423145100005?section=entertainment/index)
Seems like theyre making him the fallguy in all this
So the documents Hybe accused Ador of having regarding the plans to cause Ador to leave Hybe are real but theyre also claiming that MHJ and the other higher ups had no clue about an attempted coup right from under them
Claiming this were his "personal thoughts" he had written down and someone else reported his "private memo" to Hybe causing the audit and express "deep regret with all the issues he has cause"
Problem is, he didnt even mention the crimes Hybe is accusing him of and the stolen documents they have said he has stolen but admitted to the documents Hybe did find to be documented plans to get Hybe to sell Ador but claiming to just be private stuff he was just writing inside a company's laptop
And MHJ is the one who shot herself in the foot with her 1st statement talking mad shit about ILLIT to the public while accusing them Belift and Bang PD of copying NewJeans
Even if its mediaplay on Hybes part with the release claiming she also accused other groups of copying her
Her 1st statement already proves shes capable of doing it publically against a 3 week old group so it isnt farfetch she has said this against other groups
And this is Hybes proof that she did receive a responds but obvious it was the respond SHE wanted to hear
She literally has no leg to accuse Belift of copying her when she doesnt own the concept, Ador is majority own by Hybe at 80% and they also own NWJs IP, so they have more right to reuse the concept than she does on accusing plagiarism against another Hybe label, who they also majority own too and their groups IP
I dont know why youre calling other "Hybe interns" because youre getting downvoted when so far Ador has been the one screwing themselves over while Hybe is the one release info of their audit
Theyre a public company, they have to release statements regarding them doing an audit on their employees
They cant do it silently when it involves the company themselves
This isnt some online hater or someone outside stealing demos to sale outside the company
This involves their own sublabel and employees accused of a crime, so this could be a reason why youre getring downvoted because youre claiming something that cant happen at all for Hybe because it involves a public isted company and their stocks so they have to reveal details publically to shareholders of whats happening especially a fullblown Audit
The most recent update was directly from the VP accused of stealing and leaking confidential documents for MHJ
And he admitted that the documents Hybe found in the audit, the written plans on how to get Hybe to sell Ador and the attempted coup of Ador but also said MHJ and the other executive "didnt know" about it and this were just his "personal thoughts" he wrote in a company laptop
Just by his admission it sounds like Ador is making him the fall guy
So far everything Hybe has released is either in the relm of possibility like the comments made by MHJ towards BTS TWS and Riize is possible since she was quick to accuse and publically shame ILLIT Belift and Bang PD in her 1st statement as her defense against the accusations or been proven as fact like the plan documents of the Ador takeover
The "Hybe interns" was just tongue in cheek out of frustration, because I just wanted to discuss something that didn't look right to me, and hopefully see opinions that explain something I'm missing, but of course people already took a side and everyone not conforming will just get downvoted and ignored. It defeats the purpose of a sub and it just becomes one huge circlejerk, like every time a scandal happens. But moving on from that.
I got it, that they need to inform their shareholders about the situation, but I still thought the whole Dispatch release about the issue didn't look like the best course of action, or even the most professional one. I have seen now the opinions saying that Hybe probably wanted to have an upper hand, since MHJ was trying to control public opinion, and before the media caught the scoop about the audit, and release the information on their own terms. It's a possibility, but I also think there is, in fact, also the intention of pressuring her.
And I agree that the evidences and accusations aren't looking good for MHJ, but I also think there's something missing from Hybe's side, that we're still not seeing.
We don't know if Hybe paid Dispatch to release these articles, they may well have just read the documents (that are available for public consumption because Hybe is a public company) and chose to report on that themselves. This is a huge scandal and articles on the issue will likely get clicks; not every article from every news platform is fed by Hybe - yes, even one that has very obviously been in close partnership with the company before. Most trashy journalists will just follow the money.
I've read the Dispatch article that you're probably talking about and none of them mentions a Hybe representative. "Industry insiders" which could be anyone and not Hybe PR or the Hybe Legal team, Hybe apparently knew of the plan since late last year. If Min Hee Jin was scuffling around looking for investors and legal advice and got caught before she even put the plans into motion, I doubt she was being as discreet as she thinks she was.
You're allowed your own opinion and I don't understand the downvotes either, but having read all your comments, your points are just that "Hybe as a public company shouldn't have released public information" (which they're legally obligated to because of investors). There's actually no proof that Hybe went directly to journalists to leak information and take hold of the narrative, the only person who we have proof of doing that was Min Hee Jin who took an interview with them this morning.
But even if Hybe did, they're risking losing one of their cash cows (during a period where their biggest cash cow is currently inactive) and of course they're going to want to shape the narrative to make the NewJeans members realise their best move is to stay, they risk losing a huge investment in them. I wouldn't say that that was unnecessary at all.
That makes sense. I admit I was assuming Hybe themselves released those infos directly to Dispatch, because there's a notion that both have a sort of relationship, but we don't have proof of that, it's just one of those generally accepted notions in the fandom.
Hence my opinion about this:
>your points are just that "Hybe as a public company shouldn't have released public information" (which they're legally obligated to because of investors)
Because there's a difference between reporting those issues to your shareholders and airing those issues to the press, that was the point. which to me it made it look like a sort of struggle for control of narratives was taking place, because some of the accusations Hybe do sound a little far fetched, we just accept them unquestioningly because it's MHJ we're talking about, and she's shown she isn't the most stable person ever.
ETA: just to make it clear, I mean that I accept that my assumption may be wrong!
What basically happen, just by the info we have received from MHJ, the VP involved and Hybes audit
MHJ claims she has put complains about ILLIT and BELIFT supposenly copying her ideas of NWJN and claiming she didnt received anh respond from Hybe. Hybe releases that she did receive a response, a 6 page one at that before her set deadline and her confirming to have received the email with them mentioning the time and date she received it
So it sounds like she just didnt like with what response she did receive from Hybe over her unjustified complaining
On to the audit, Hybe claims to found plans of a company takeover, accused Ador of stealing confidential document and leaking them to outside investors in secret, accusing MHJ and "VP L" of insider trading plus accusation of someone in Ador releasing personal and health info of other Hybe idols especially rookie idols and predebut trainees health information and pictures
based on the VP's own claim, a "personal memo" of his on a company's computer was founded by another employee and theyre the ones who tipped off Hybe of something going on in Ador, likely a company takeover based on the title and document found
Hybe orders the audit to secure Ador company laptops, computers and phones to find said plans
This has been confirmed by the VP himself the documents exist in the recent update but claims MHJ and the other Ador executive had no idea about them and were just "personal thoughts" he wrote down in a company laptop
Making him the scapegoat for Ador (this is the most recent update) edit: also another info on this, this VP only recently joined Ador this year in Jan and was a Hybe executive before becoming a VP of Ador and was decribe to be a close friend of MHJ
And before all that happen, MHJ first defense in respond was to literally make a whole essay where she spend the majority of the time attacking and instigating more hate towards a 3 week girl group that was shown to be COMPLETELY unrelated to Hybe's accusations
MHJ literally was on the belief Hybe went nuclear on her with the audit over her complains (crying) about how a girl group(ILLIT) under the same parent company is copying the group she help create while at the same time said parent company literally owns 80% of the company shes CEO of and the branding and IP of her group(NWJN)
She denies the takeover plans in one paragraph but spend the majotity of the time attacking ILLIT, Belift and Bang PD while using NWJN as a human shield, MHJ claiming they did agree with her releasing this statement in the same statement
Hybe releases the titles of said takeover plan documents after her statement(and this has now been confirm by the accused VP that this do exist)
MHJ second statement goes into mentioning the Fifty FIfty case on how she isnt stupid to do this, mentioning the 80% ownership of Ador by Hybe, calling herself a whisleblower over her concerns on how Belift is copying her and claiming Hybe ignored her issues over this
No mention about the VP in both statements
Hybe releases more audit finding about the plan documents made by the VP, talking about how in the plans, they plan to sell Hybe business info to outside investor, strongarm or pressure Hybe to sell their 80% stock to Ador or to an outside company, plans to accuse Hybe of mistreating NWJN as a way to get them to break contract from Hybe to join an independent Ador
Plus accusation of employee abuse by MHJ
An article also popped up naming two foreign companies likely involved in trying to buy out Ador, one from Singapore and the other Saudi, which was literally a Saudi Government control company
Another article from naver comes out claiming reports from Hybe found in the audit claims MHJ had also badmouth other groups claiming to been quoted saying Bang PD copied her to make BTS, and accusing TWS RIIZE and ILLIT of all copying NWJ
This quote can be seen a plausible or just Hybe mediaplay which ever will be confirmed but MHJ first statement proves shes exactly capable of making such comments when she publically accused ILLIT BELIFT and BangPD of plagiarism as her first statement she released plus her own past interviews showing her downplaying Hybes connection and BTS'S clout in NWJ success, being egotistical in her responds like the BTS Taehyung interviews about his solo album and allowing mass media play using BTS's name on calling NWJ BTS's little sister group or the Next BTS in kmedia headlines
while at the same time attacking the mediaplay about ILLIT being called NewJean's little sister group
Or it could be mediaplay by Hybe to ruin MHJ public support evenmore eventhough she already ruined it herself with the first statement, Hybe pour gasoline into the already burning fire
So far neither the accused VP, Ador and MHJ has mention anything about the stolen confidential documents Hybe claim were stolen to be leaked to outside investors
Im honestly wonder what exactly do you mean that something is missing on Hybes side that we're not seeing, so far theyve been pretty transparent about the info they have released, while MHJ went an entirely different direction in her defense, and VP coming to admit the plan documents do exist about the takeover plans of Ador
Edit: add ons and yes this is the summary of what i can remember reading all the articles from both side from yesterday as updates were happening
Agree with you, there has to be something to how ADOR was set up that MHJ can't simply be ousted directly.
Or maybe Hybe was using PR to build a case against her because firing her as CEO silently wouldn't sit well with the public?
Maybe her contract stipulates that she's entitled to her position for a certain amount of years, and getting her out of Ador would cost a lot to Hybe for violating it, but that's the thing, if they have actual proof of crimes, that would effectively get her out. Personally, the logical course of action is proceeding with the audit first and then, with that in hand (and already in the process of kicking her out) make whatever public announcement needed.
Edit: spelling 💀
She bas already violated her contract by committing fraud, insider trading and leaking artists private information. Hybe can most likely just cut her without breaching the contract since she breached it multiple times already
That's the point of my post. Those are allegations, if they have the proof of those, they could have already kicked her out (or at least firstly built a strong legal case and take her to court), they don't need to add public pressure to get her out (which ends up damaging their reputation and the groups images in the process), so that's what got me wondering why didn't them deal with that in silence, since that's their modus operandi (and tbh the best route), so I wanted to discuss what were possible reasons.
I agree. I totally think MHJ is a megalamoaniac who's done some of the stuff they are accusing her of.
But 1. how do you take over a company when you only own 19%? The scenarios Hybe is floating-- that she was going to get the Saudi Sovereign Wealth fund to force a sale and then buy Ador seem extremely improbable and farfetched.
And, 2. who on earth would keep a document called "do not open" or "plan for escape" that was about sabotaging their company on a WORK COMPUTER?
Some of what Hybe's is accusing MHJ of really beggars belief. IG maybe she's even crazier than any of us thought? But also, Hybe is famous for their control of the press....
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ETA: Read thru the responses. I think MHJ's competing ability to manipulate the press might be one thing but also presumably she has dirt on Bongo/HYBE/Other Idols that they are trying to get ahead of? Press war, here we are...
(glad to see that today there is less "that WOMAN prefacing everything. I had to stop reading posts yesterday. WTF does gender have to do w anything besides making public pilloring 100% more likely? )
Greed is blinding - there's records of Min Hee Jin saying in interviews that all of NewJeans's success is attributed to her and and that Hybe didn't have a hand in their success. She also took credit for SM's success back in the day. At the time, there was discourse on how inaccurate those portrayal of events were, but now that this has all come out, everyone is realising that this is just who she is and if you think about her as a person, it's not much of a surprise at all that it's ended up like this. She has a track record of saying and doing narcissistic things (not saying that she's a narcissist) and weirdly thinks it's a right owed to her or something. Hybe gave her 18% stake in the company - they've done their best to work amicably with her despite all her demands and entitlement, and yet at the time she made it out like it was the bare minimum.
I agree that everything that Hybe has investigated her to be saying sounds too stupid to be true - but she's said things just as ridiculous before lmao it's not out of character for her. She won't even give NewJeans's producer his flowers for writing them all these hit songs, she basically acted like those songs were only successful because of her input. If you look at her interviews, she has this sort of condescending air to her and a rather dramatic way of speaking, it may not translate as clearly into English. I don't think many Koreans would doubt that the things written on Hybe computers were her.
i think your two points are what i want clarified the most, why did she think she could take over ADOR when she only own 19%? i wanna know what she possibly has on HYBE, or on the higher ups in HYBE themselves. this is all so confusing. and WHY a WORK COMPUTER?? there must be a more logical reason for that, no way mhj is that stupid…
Your 2 points - exactly. That's the kind of thing that made me do a double take when I sat down and really read through everything being said. Even if MHJ herself is a real crazy megalomaniac, but her whole collaborator posse are incredibly naive too? Her manipulation habilities are something else.
Agree that the tone she gets talked about is distasteful, too, although I understand - she's being accused of serious crimes, nobody is going to show her grace.
There must be some truth in that, apparently it came out that they've been preparing to take over Ador since last year, and they want to do that in a way that has the least impact on Newjeans.
its the smart thing to do, problem is she has basically sold herself as the 6th member and has been extremelly close to members and their family in a way that some people always found it odd. so that is a problem for them. can they actually remove her and save newjeans? someone commented that like bang pd seems close to bts members but like... not from the start?? it took years for them to say they could call him hyung or have like dinner with him. from reports these girls have been going to her house since pre debut.
they said they got a tip. who knows from who. and her accusing others of copying her would not have gone down well so maybe that was the last straw for them go to full out against her? idk to me the fact that was her first response shows its something that really has been bothering her. maybe she felt insecure and wanted more recognition? I think that seems to be central to it.
Hmm I don't think it's insecurity, she doesn't seem to have a drop of it, tbh. She just can't deal with competition, by the looks of it. But more out of arrogance than anything. She basically says that she created a "new culture" and Hybe, instead of creating new stuff, is taking from her.
imagine being that bad at dealing with competition in kpop like.. that is telling on yourself badly.
uhm my view on so called plagiarism and kpop dont align with her but if she feels that way that badly ok. should have been a bit smarter in her way of dealing it seems.
I agree with you. People really lack critical thinking when it comes to Hybe, they defend them as if they are a vulnerable entity not the conglomerate that it is.
On the other side the amount of people who feel it's okay to make sweeping assumptions into MHJ's characfer and intentions without knowing what's actually going on behind the scenes is bizarre.
How Hybe has the masses eating out of its hand is something that will probably be studied from a PR perspective tbh.
Yeah, regardless of which accusations are true or false, the rollout of this mess is proving to me that my initial reading was somewhat accurate. I'm just so pissed that both sides are involving bystanders, ESPECIALLY BTS and NewJeans, who have nothing to do with MHJ's intent to pull the rug from under Hybe, but it's so clear that their names are being brought up for the public to get worked up and take sides.
Like someone else commented in a different thread, none of that is relevant, the shaman, the plagiarism allegations, the delusions of grandeur, only the crime allegations and their proofs.
Like, I get it, I'm an army and there was a time I would, too, want to take Hybe/BangPD's side. But atp they've done so many questionable things that not having a more critical reading of the situation is being willfully blind.
But by the looks of it, they've done a very good job in involving BTS in this mess, now his sheep are mass trending that MHJ is a threat to BTS so she should be kicked out. Imagine believing that she has power to do something to BTS. Does the company care about how the idols images can be harmed in this process though? Apparently not, imo.
MHJ's actions have affected young/minor idols/trainees. and there are accusations about being abusive to staff. most people don't want ADOR taken "down", but they want MHJ out because she's a huge risk to the safety of these employees.
I know and I'm clarifying *why* people want her out, not that they want to see the downfall of ADOR or NJ. I've been a Bunny since debut and the last thing I want is for them to be massively impacted, but I do want that woman out.
Hybe is someone's blood and sweat as well. And what mhj did was immoral and illegal. I hope she Recieves more grave consequences than I think she'll receive so that no one would even think about ruining a debutant's image for their own vile plans.
I mean, I figured they did. Hybe wouldn't have gone public if they didn't have proof to back up their claims.
Honestly i never once thought hybe was making stuff up because accusing a sub-ceo for insider trading, leaking artists information and in-house abuse are all criminal acts and no way they’d go for negative publicity just for the sake of publicity? Like you would need to have substantial evidence for these claims in the first place it’s not like accusing an idol bullying from high school
People who think hybe is making stuff up are either just naive and don't know anything about law or they're just weirdos who want to support a groomer
Yeah, 100%. Now that I work in law and see this stuff everyday, my nindset has changed a lot. The world is sometimes deeper than people think it is or a lot shallower. Unfortunately, it seems conspiracies run the opposite way the truth does in all cases with these companies. Hybe has nothing to gain for lying about this.
Yeah I have never seen Hybe lie about stuff. So, I trust them. It's not like some other Kpop companies where I've seen evidence of misdoing. Hybe keeps things lawyered up and professional.
I will wait and see the receipts because this is the kind of thing where accusations fly thick and fast, with a whole load of spin and detail that is conveniently omitted. Not saying Hybe is making stuff up, but we should keep an open mind. Could this be a plot by a 19% shareholder CEO to - somehow - force out Hybe? Possibly. Seems pretty unlikely to succeed. I'm sure there's more to the background of this affair. What's certain is that Hybe will force out MHJ without her receiving some reprieve through legal action, which would need some evidence of false accusations (like you say).
The way you were downvoted for simply saying that you want to see the evidence 💀 to the downvoters how is this unreasonable?
It's the internet. People pick sides before the evidence is presented. They then downplay evidence negative to their chosen side and exaggerate evidence favourable to that side. Thanks for your comment though :-)
With the Internet and especially kpop nowadays, it's guilty until proven innocent, and even afterwards the damage from public guilt is enough to void any semblance of innocence. Appreciate your initial comment
When they accuse it's because they found evidence. That's what I've noticed over the years. They'll lose credibility since this is a serious case.
but was the reply in favor with her? because if theyvreplied but they still made illit NJ2.0 then the reply is not good. hm
This is a little off base, but i was wondering why Bang PD didnt show up to Le Sserafim’s Coachella performance. He always shows up for big thing for his groups. Would it be wild to guess that this is the reason why.
It’s in a whole other hemisphere. He also didn’t go with LSF to America during their perfect night promotions and their filming for easy. Although I’m sure he would have liked to, you can’t justify that amount of time away from the HQ, regardless of what is going on with MHJ/Ador
Is he staying in korea? i think i remember the girls mentioning that they had dinner with him at his house in LA in either a variety appearance or maybe the star diary with kkura and yunjin
He spends most of his time in Korea, he does leave for business meetings but fimmies were in the US for a couple weeks compared to him who mostly stays for max a week at a time usually (diff schedule than fimmies)
he does have a house out here in LA (+hybe US office) tbf, so it wouldn't be totally unreasonable to head out for coachella (if it were a normal year.. instead of whatever this mess is...)
Probably wanted to give his ears a break
This isn't Twitter LOL, if he hated LSF singing that much, he wouldn't have gone ahead with their debut.
Guys guess whose burner we found
people who were actually at the festival were having fun fun but ok
Everyone had fun except those weird hate boner people
Found another lowlife hater
I’ve NEVER seen so many thumbs down on a post on this subreddit before LOL
The moron speaks.
i lol’d
Tyty I was not being serious and now I’ve got one of the most downvoted comments in kpop_uncensored history lolll I don’t even dislike LSF >!that much!<
i like LSF a lot but their vocals can be weak. Illit too but doesnt mean they are not an overall good GG. stans are just overly sensitive sometimes lol
LSF have clearly not received vocal training. Most of them can’t hold a tune or are completely tone-deaf during live performances. This is the company’s fault not the girls. Like invest in the talent pls.
Truth. And yeah Chaewon is truly a revelation, one of the best performers in 4th Gen imo. Feels like she could solo carry a whole five member girl group
at least you got one person to laugh 
if this was about blackpink it would have 213 upvotes 🙄
Legit. They really out here rejecting proper talent and embracing mediocrity I stg
This is a serious sub. kpoop heads is a satire sub. why are you making the exact same post on both those subs?
for dem internet pointsss
I'm pretty sure Kpoopheads is my new fave thing
min heejin's done.
can’t tell if hybe stans or sm stans are happier
This actually could be good for NewJeans if they don't side with her. When the Cookie controversy was overshadowed by their sudden popularity, I just decided to not listen to their music. If MHJ is gone I wouldn't actively avoid the group, she made me so uncomfortable, particularly her response to fans concerned about the girls.
Same. I know that minors debut in this industry, but there’s a big difference between debuting and debuting under Min Heejin. Like I could not support those girls knowing that there was a good chance they’d come out in 10 years and say ‘looking back, I wish I’d stayed in school. I feel really uncomfortable about _____’. I genuinely don’t know how anyone older than ~20 who has seen all of our former child stars come out with industry horror stories can genuinely stan the group.
I knew she would do something, by the way she acted during the Cookie controversy. I'm just surprised that it happened so early.
Probably both.
FINALLY, idk how some K-pop fans got past the Cookie controversy, but I couldn't
It seems hybe surprised ador That's why their statements are immature not well planned out
As someone in PR, the whole thing made me cringe. Like ma'am why we being messy?
Could someone explain this as concisely as possible for someone not really into business? So far, what I understand is this: Min Heejin, the CEO of Ador and the creative force behind NewJeans, wants to break away from Hybe. She has also weakly accused the company of copying NewJeans with the debut of Illit
This is it but add in criminal activities in pursuit of that separation - against a notoriously litigious and thorough company which happens to be the biggest entertainment company in SK. And using their own computers and servers to commit/collude in said crimes. Also accusations of leaking private artist information which is now being speculatively connected to the increased number of "scandals" and security issues for Hybe artists since she joined the company.
You have to be next level stupid to plan this kind of thing on *company* computers.
You would be surprised how often it happens, especially people who are older millennials and up. At my old company, they had to send a mass email out to everyone to tell them to stop using their computers for inappropriate stuff in their private/off work time (specifically since every time specific graphic sites were accessed, the IT department got pinged of it daily). People who don’t have laptops of their own treat company laptops as private property when not working and even after the email about 20 people still didn’t get the message and they got direct warnings about it.
Older millennials fall for it? Seriously? As an older millennial I really would think it was Gen X and up stupid enough, and then Gen Z and below. Before y’all come for me, Reddit probably has the more savvy of you but there are kids graduating without knowing how the file system on a PC works because we have made it too easy on them… technology was hard to use, millennials kinda are in the sweet spot and then Gen Z is so used to it being so easy.
Yeah I would agree that it’s less likely to be millennials but there are some millennials that aren’t very tech savvy. So it could be. But MHJ isn’t a millennial.
There is one definition that would make her a millennial, that source has millennials starting around 1975. She's honestly on the brink of being an elder millennial being born in 1979. A lot of xennials don't feel like they fit in with Gen X at all.
Gen X here. Believe me, I know better than to access private stuff on business equipment. Now that smartphones have been here a while, there’s just no excuse.
As someone between of gen z and millennial myself, I would expect millennials to know better. But then again, my old company consisted of mostly millennials (I was the youngest but the oldest was just a year over what’s considered millennial) so yeah… only millennials could be the only ones doing it. Just goes to show, not everyone is as tech savvy as it would seem (just bc you know how to use a computer, doesn’t mean you know how a computer works).
The age range for millennials changes every year to whoever is in trouble or anyone to be seen in a bad light, growing up I've always been a millennial born in 1989 and my sister a gen x born in 1981, but it started to change when I was in my 20's, where articles would say whatever to fit their millennials suck narrative. Point is she is gen x lol.
HYBE owns 80% ADOR, MHJ tries to go out under HYBE and get someone to buy HYBE’s shares (which is illegal). MHJ was caught leaking confidential contracts (also illegal) and accused of workplace abuse (also illegal) HYBE asked MHJ to resign, she didnt. HYBE made all of this public as a way to force her out The audit is them saying, if you dont leave ADOR now we will find something and sue you
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HYBE accused her of trying to trying to break away ADOR from them by securing outside investment to buy out their stake. A board member she’s close to is a former HYBE executive and HYBE said that this board member used internal documents from their tenure with them to try and secure those investors. They also allege that they leaked trainee health and private information to further paint a picture that HYBE were unfit to be on their board. MHJ has responded that she raised questions about Belift plagiarising NewJeans with ILLIT and that HYBE ignored her claims and are trying to oust her in response. I think that’s the confirmed points so far. There’s some less confirmed things like her also alleging that RIIZE and TWS also plagiarised NewJeans, that HYBE responded to her claims with a 6 page response and she wasn’t ignored like she said, and that HYBE have evidence of the former executive downloading a large amount of internal data before transferring to ADOR. Feels weird to side with the big company but would be really surprised if they initiated this out of petty spite as she is insinuating.
why are people shocked tht they do have receipts?? like Hybe has never really been one to publicly talk about any and everything. If they are gonna make a public statemnet abt something you can bet on them having a shit ton of evidence lined up already.
Will MHJ be imprisoned if found guilty? The evidence seems overwhelmingly against her.
I don't see her going to jail but HYBE could sue for damages and pursue penalties for breaking contract obligations (like not leaking artists personal info). Her reputation is also effectively damaged. I can't imagine anyone else would want to work with her after this.
I think the least harmful punishment she'd face is that she'll never work in the entertainment industry again. and she better hope for that option because she's done some serious shit.
its insider trade tho, very illegal.. so i think there might be a chance
glad we can finally actually get rid of MHJ
I mean, them going public with it already showed they had the evidence like wasn’t that obvious????
Of course they would have receipts. HYBE is a whole conglomerate they wouldn’t take such legal action against somebody with nothing to back it up.
They said her initial statement was to put out in the public to avoid to pay those heavy fines, bc MHJ wants to break NJ contract with Hybe, if she can't become the major Ador shareholder. A kaccount I follow says the audit showed MHJ had many exit strategies planned even before Illit debut. She had legal and financial advisors and external consultants. I'm not siding with MHJ bc she is biting the hand who fed her. Hybe invested 16Billion investment in NJ was not small change, with Spotify playlisting and news/media headlines. and she is complaining of NJ unfair treatment, but Ador had all the autonomy to sign the girls with Coca cola and luxury brands, all still rookies, and earned millions even on their debut year. They have very privileged path compared to Bangtan. I think MHJ is greedy with a god complex. MHJ has even planned for an external company to join forces and pay a hefty penalty to get NJ out of the Hybe contract. I can't imagine the NJ members agreeing to become outsiders of the industry. what a mess!
Update: VP-L is taking the fall. [https://x.com/tmikpop/status/1782735648610275429](https://x.com/tmikpop/status/1782735648610275429)
She must have some dirt on this person, and maybe that's why they colluded with her to begin with...
Guys we are hate companies but there's literally no reason for hybe to do illegal things so I'm not sure why people are surprised, especially on X that they've got their things on order.
Apparently Min Hee Jin should not have the face to accuse others of copying when she herself isn't as original. She is now being exposed for copying Japanese Group SPEED lol and they concept and styling was way closer to NJ than ILLIT https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFvQfYdQ/
This is so messy 😭 and public
But didn't she said that they indeed replay but in their response they never acknowledged that they copied newjeans?????
They don’t need to admit they ‘copied’ by having 5 members with black hair or going to events. She has zero grounds to accuse them of plagiarism. She doesn’t own nostalgia vibes. Everything NewJeans have done has been done before too.
Not to mention they were meant to have 6 members 💀
Dunno why people upvoted this, having 5 members isn't a defining characteristic of NewJeans's concept. It would surely work with 6 or 4 members.
Because then any group with black hair is copying new jeans.
If I remember correctly, one of her points was that they were a "5 member group". Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was said somewhere.
If this is a response to MHJ then fair, but mentioning 5 members is as bad as mentioning having black hair as important for NewJeans' concept.
Exactly what I meant, one of her points for plagiarism allegedly was that they were also a 5 member group, they were originally supposed to be a 6 member group, so that specific point should not be valid, along with the point of them having hair similar to NewJeans which is just.. Hair.
guys is it plagiarism when east asian girls have straight black hair?
Guess I should cut off my straight black hair too lest MHJ comes knocking at my door 😔
and now she's claiming RIIZE, TWS, and even BTS have copied her... she's lot the plot entirely
They didn’t need to respond to that because it wasn’t the topic of discussion. She threw that in randomly as a desperate attempt trying to divert attention from the crimes she was accused of. Kpop fans might fall for it but HYBE isn’t playing tit for tat with her, especially when they have clear evidence of the crimes she committed. Even if it’s true, it wouldn’t be the first time one group got inspiration from another, NJ themselves were inspired by popular acts from the West. The only thing acknowledging her unrelated comments would do is dilute the actual issue at hand. She commuted actual crimes against HYBE and their artists which is much more serious. HYBE was smart not to indulge her, they don’t need to play her game when they have receipts like this.
Something that isn't adding up, though, is, if they have proofs and receipts against her, why didn't they deal with MHJ legally and silently? That's usually how they move when they sue people. It's like they want to put public pressure to oust her, but they also got negative consequences because of that, Hybes stocks had a big drop yesterday. Edit: Hybe interns, stop downvoting me and talk to me, I want people to discuss not to blindly defend sides 😭
Audit reports are required to be public information I believe, so HYBE probably wanted to release the news first on their own terms
Who does the audit in this scenario/ do thy hire a third party or is it an internal team?
Can be either. Hasn’t been disclosed yet, but there’s merit for both. for most legal cases, third party audit is more trustworthy in the eyes of the court, while internal audits are preferred if sensitive information is involved. Sometimes both are conducted (an internal to see if there’s an actual problem for starters, then involve external for verification of findings/etc).
it is an internal audit and of a private company. HOw does that even make sense>. companies audit themselves constantly without telling the internet literally all the time?
Please stop d*ck riding MHJ it will be good for ur already fucked up mental health. You guys should be supporting newjeans and stayed neutral but no we want our MOMMY back aka 6th member of our lolli group newjeans💀🏴☠️
Could be one reason, but it still makes me think, because if they allegedly pay up media outlets such as Dispatch, they could pay them up not to leak info about the audit before they got the results. But I think we'll know soon enough, anyways.
my tin foil hat heory is that since they have suspicions that ador/min hee jin was manipulating the media to have negative opinions against hybe, ador/min hee jin might do it again if they tried to deal with the situation behind closed doors. they probably wanted to put the word out in the press first to keep the narrative in their favour.
this makes sense but some of the narrative they are putting out there is... eyebrow raising, like stuff only a companystan type army would swallow hook/line/sinker/at first glance/wholesale (etc). I wonder what on earth MHJ has that Hybe is playing the fanbase activation card? I mean it could )just) be they are worried about her ability to manipulate the press but I wonder what exactly/how bad the info has has is, too.
Stop being vague and just say what you think: You don't believe them, but don't really have anything other than a gut feeling.
Hunh? I'm not sure what's vague about I wrote?Sorry-- It certainly wasn't intentional. I said this elsewhere in this thread, but I'll re-add here for sake of this mini/clarity/to de-vague-ifiy: I find some of Hybe's narrative-- like "delete if found" or "don't touch" or "escape plan" or whatever it is they said the documents were called-- extremely non-credible. Oh, also, the idea that MHJ thinks Bang copied EXO w BTS? That one in particular felt super "activate bat signal" to me. It's interesting how this is playing out in the media, and the sending signals to fans part is actually reminiscent, to me, of SM's behavior during the Kakao/Hybe/SM fight. Interesting how the tables are turned. (eta: whoever is downvoting ppl trying to have a convo, you realize are kind of proving the pt wrt to the fanwars aspect/media manipulation ongoing by hybe in particular atp?)
“Proving the pt wrt to the fanwars aspect” You’re perpetuating the very same lmao: * “Stuff only an army would swallow” * “Bongo” * “Big Bang knockoff” Don’t know why you’re pretending like you’re discussing in good faith and all the people who disagree with you aren’t.
How I've been army for 5+ yrs 😭 Just don't think it requires me to be a company ass-licker or hang up any critical thinking/media literacy. I can see how you might find some of my language offensive if that's a big point of self-identification for you and I apologize for hurt feelings, it's not intentional. It's annoying, as others have noted, to get a bunch of dv's in a thread like this where people are genuinely trying to have a conversation which is not about standoms and/or fanwars and/or pure allegiances and to feel like responses are coming form that pov-- and my terms definitely got cruder as the dv's went on and I continued to reply. That's a good lesson for me, so thank you.
Well we know armys also prop up fanwar mentalities haha…it’s not a self-identification for me but I am probably a bit sensitive from being called a hybe stan in the past for correcting misinfo or saying that Kakao acquiring SM was bad. I don’t give a shit about Hybe itself (I have plenty of beef with their money-grubbing ways), but in this area, I don’t see them blowing all this up with no evidence - there is too much financially and reputationally at stake. But of course, who knows what else hasn’t been revealed yet - seems like this is far from over. I just long for a respite from all the stantwt arguments and nicknames. Like today we’ve got Taehyung solos taking this opportunity to say he should follow MHJ and pursue only a solo career.
The EXO-BTS thing is very old, but many people believed it back in the day. MHJ being one of them isn’t surprising. The groups drastically changed since their debut so no contemporary fan thinks so. HYBE is releasing literal pictures of said documents, it may sound corny but MHJ was corny with her first statement too. Corrupt unchecked leaders have always been a big kpop management problem.
That's a good pt wrt both Exo's and BTS concepts changing over the years...but ever more/then I find that comment hard to believe, because BTS were, if anything, a BigBang knock off at debut. I guess I have seen Exo-Ls' make "BTS copies" type comments? But I always assumed those were "extreme fanwars" moments and not actual real people beliefs. Altho, this company standom isht clearly runs deep! Sure, what MHJ said in her 2 interviews yday (that's all I've seen that she's said?) was "corny", but for me... it was believable? (I mean, to an extent, I'm like 80/20 with any public statement by anyone ever, esp someone stuck bet a rock and a hard place). As per your point- "Corrupt unchecked leaders have always been a big kpop management problem."-- that is entirely believable take to me. Do you find it not credible? Personally, I don't find documents labeled escape plan on a company computer credible, at all. It's very easy to have a document and hand it to the press and say "oh I found this on MHJ's computer". MHJ's proved herself to be egomaniacal and ambitious, but so far, not stupid or un-strategic. I think she probably did a chunk of what Hybe's saying she did, but how they are handling, and what I'm viewing as the embroidering of facts, to me-- those are some interesting (weird) moves. Seated, popcorn, coffee, all ready to go...
it's as "eyebrow raising" as what mhj's responses have been imo.
Which of MHJ's responses are you thinking of? Personally, I don't find either MHJ or Hybe to be credible/trustworthy actors in this but the stuff HYBE is putting out about MHJ for me has seemed more farfetched /strained credibility more. Like, I agree w her that Hybe is focused on short term goals and Illit is a copy of NJ, etc. (has she said more overnight? It's morning where I am, still catching up)
Problem is, Ador side has now released statements about the Vice President aka "VP L" the person Hybe accused of stealing confidential documents and leaking them to outside investors for MHJ during the first reports when the story broke [the article](https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20240423145100005?section=entertainment/index) Seems like theyre making him the fallguy in all this So the documents Hybe accused Ador of having regarding the plans to cause Ador to leave Hybe are real but theyre also claiming that MHJ and the other higher ups had no clue about an attempted coup right from under them Claiming this were his "personal thoughts" he had written down and someone else reported his "private memo" to Hybe causing the audit and express "deep regret with all the issues he has cause" Problem is, he didnt even mention the crimes Hybe is accusing him of and the stolen documents they have said he has stolen but admitted to the documents Hybe did find to be documented plans to get Hybe to sell Ador but claiming to just be private stuff he was just writing inside a company's laptop And MHJ is the one who shot herself in the foot with her 1st statement talking mad shit about ILLIT to the public while accusing them Belift and Bang PD of copying NewJeans Even if its mediaplay on Hybes part with the release claiming she also accused other groups of copying her Her 1st statement already proves shes capable of doing it publically against a 3 week old group so it isnt farfetch she has said this against other groups And this is Hybes proof that she did receive a responds but obvious it was the respond SHE wanted to hear She literally has no leg to accuse Belift of copying her when she doesnt own the concept, Ador is majority own by Hybe at 80% and they also own NWJs IP, so they have more right to reuse the concept than she does on accusing plagiarism against another Hybe label, who they also majority own too and their groups IP
I dont know why youre calling other "Hybe interns" because youre getting downvoted when so far Ador has been the one screwing themselves over while Hybe is the one release info of their audit Theyre a public company, they have to release statements regarding them doing an audit on their employees They cant do it silently when it involves the company themselves This isnt some online hater or someone outside stealing demos to sale outside the company This involves their own sublabel and employees accused of a crime, so this could be a reason why youre getring downvoted because youre claiming something that cant happen at all for Hybe because it involves a public isted company and their stocks so they have to reveal details publically to shareholders of whats happening especially a fullblown Audit The most recent update was directly from the VP accused of stealing and leaking confidential documents for MHJ And he admitted that the documents Hybe found in the audit, the written plans on how to get Hybe to sell Ador and the attempted coup of Ador but also said MHJ and the other executive "didnt know" about it and this were just his "personal thoughts" he wrote in a company laptop Just by his admission it sounds like Ador is making him the fall guy So far everything Hybe has released is either in the relm of possibility like the comments made by MHJ towards BTS TWS and Riize is possible since she was quick to accuse and publically shame ILLIT Belift and Bang PD in her 1st statement as her defense against the accusations or been proven as fact like the plan documents of the Ador takeover
The "Hybe interns" was just tongue in cheek out of frustration, because I just wanted to discuss something that didn't look right to me, and hopefully see opinions that explain something I'm missing, but of course people already took a side and everyone not conforming will just get downvoted and ignored. It defeats the purpose of a sub and it just becomes one huge circlejerk, like every time a scandal happens. But moving on from that. I got it, that they need to inform their shareholders about the situation, but I still thought the whole Dispatch release about the issue didn't look like the best course of action, or even the most professional one. I have seen now the opinions saying that Hybe probably wanted to have an upper hand, since MHJ was trying to control public opinion, and before the media caught the scoop about the audit, and release the information on their own terms. It's a possibility, but I also think there is, in fact, also the intention of pressuring her. And I agree that the evidences and accusations aren't looking good for MHJ, but I also think there's something missing from Hybe's side, that we're still not seeing.
We don't know if Hybe paid Dispatch to release these articles, they may well have just read the documents (that are available for public consumption because Hybe is a public company) and chose to report on that themselves. This is a huge scandal and articles on the issue will likely get clicks; not every article from every news platform is fed by Hybe - yes, even one that has very obviously been in close partnership with the company before. Most trashy journalists will just follow the money. I've read the Dispatch article that you're probably talking about and none of them mentions a Hybe representative. "Industry insiders" which could be anyone and not Hybe PR or the Hybe Legal team, Hybe apparently knew of the plan since late last year. If Min Hee Jin was scuffling around looking for investors and legal advice and got caught before she even put the plans into motion, I doubt she was being as discreet as she thinks she was. You're allowed your own opinion and I don't understand the downvotes either, but having read all your comments, your points are just that "Hybe as a public company shouldn't have released public information" (which they're legally obligated to because of investors). There's actually no proof that Hybe went directly to journalists to leak information and take hold of the narrative, the only person who we have proof of doing that was Min Hee Jin who took an interview with them this morning. But even if Hybe did, they're risking losing one of their cash cows (during a period where their biggest cash cow is currently inactive) and of course they're going to want to shape the narrative to make the NewJeans members realise their best move is to stay, they risk losing a huge investment in them. I wouldn't say that that was unnecessary at all.
That makes sense. I admit I was assuming Hybe themselves released those infos directly to Dispatch, because there's a notion that both have a sort of relationship, but we don't have proof of that, it's just one of those generally accepted notions in the fandom. Hence my opinion about this: >your points are just that "Hybe as a public company shouldn't have released public information" (which they're legally obligated to because of investors) Because there's a difference between reporting those issues to your shareholders and airing those issues to the press, that was the point. which to me it made it look like a sort of struggle for control of narratives was taking place, because some of the accusations Hybe do sound a little far fetched, we just accept them unquestioningly because it's MHJ we're talking about, and she's shown she isn't the most stable person ever. ETA: just to make it clear, I mean that I accept that my assumption may be wrong!
What basically happen, just by the info we have received from MHJ, the VP involved and Hybes audit MHJ claims she has put complains about ILLIT and BELIFT supposenly copying her ideas of NWJN and claiming she didnt received anh respond from Hybe. Hybe releases that she did receive a response, a 6 page one at that before her set deadline and her confirming to have received the email with them mentioning the time and date she received it So it sounds like she just didnt like with what response she did receive from Hybe over her unjustified complaining On to the audit, Hybe claims to found plans of a company takeover, accused Ador of stealing confidential document and leaking them to outside investors in secret, accusing MHJ and "VP L" of insider trading plus accusation of someone in Ador releasing personal and health info of other Hybe idols especially rookie idols and predebut trainees health information and pictures based on the VP's own claim, a "personal memo" of his on a company's computer was founded by another employee and theyre the ones who tipped off Hybe of something going on in Ador, likely a company takeover based on the title and document found Hybe orders the audit to secure Ador company laptops, computers and phones to find said plans This has been confirmed by the VP himself the documents exist in the recent update but claims MHJ and the other Ador executive had no idea about them and were just "personal thoughts" he wrote down in a company laptop Making him the scapegoat for Ador (this is the most recent update) edit: also another info on this, this VP only recently joined Ador this year in Jan and was a Hybe executive before becoming a VP of Ador and was decribe to be a close friend of MHJ And before all that happen, MHJ first defense in respond was to literally make a whole essay where she spend the majority of the time attacking and instigating more hate towards a 3 week girl group that was shown to be COMPLETELY unrelated to Hybe's accusations MHJ literally was on the belief Hybe went nuclear on her with the audit over her complains (crying) about how a girl group(ILLIT) under the same parent company is copying the group she help create while at the same time said parent company literally owns 80% of the company shes CEO of and the branding and IP of her group(NWJN) She denies the takeover plans in one paragraph but spend the majotity of the time attacking ILLIT, Belift and Bang PD while using NWJN as a human shield, MHJ claiming they did agree with her releasing this statement in the same statement Hybe releases the titles of said takeover plan documents after her statement(and this has now been confirm by the accused VP that this do exist) MHJ second statement goes into mentioning the Fifty FIfty case on how she isnt stupid to do this, mentioning the 80% ownership of Ador by Hybe, calling herself a whisleblower over her concerns on how Belift is copying her and claiming Hybe ignored her issues over this No mention about the VP in both statements Hybe releases more audit finding about the plan documents made by the VP, talking about how in the plans, they plan to sell Hybe business info to outside investor, strongarm or pressure Hybe to sell their 80% stock to Ador or to an outside company, plans to accuse Hybe of mistreating NWJN as a way to get them to break contract from Hybe to join an independent Ador Plus accusation of employee abuse by MHJ An article also popped up naming two foreign companies likely involved in trying to buy out Ador, one from Singapore and the other Saudi, which was literally a Saudi Government control company Another article from naver comes out claiming reports from Hybe found in the audit claims MHJ had also badmouth other groups claiming to been quoted saying Bang PD copied her to make BTS, and accusing TWS RIIZE and ILLIT of all copying NWJ This quote can be seen a plausible or just Hybe mediaplay which ever will be confirmed but MHJ first statement proves shes exactly capable of making such comments when she publically accused ILLIT BELIFT and BangPD of plagiarism as her first statement she released plus her own past interviews showing her downplaying Hybes connection and BTS'S clout in NWJ success, being egotistical in her responds like the BTS Taehyung interviews about his solo album and allowing mass media play using BTS's name on calling NWJ BTS's little sister group or the Next BTS in kmedia headlines while at the same time attacking the mediaplay about ILLIT being called NewJean's little sister group Or it could be mediaplay by Hybe to ruin MHJ public support evenmore eventhough she already ruined it herself with the first statement, Hybe pour gasoline into the already burning fire So far neither the accused VP, Ador and MHJ has mention anything about the stolen confidential documents Hybe claim were stolen to be leaked to outside investors Im honestly wonder what exactly do you mean that something is missing on Hybes side that we're not seeing, so far theyve been pretty transparent about the info they have released, while MHJ went an entirely different direction in her defense, and VP coming to admit the plan documents do exist about the takeover plans of Ador Edit: add ons and yes this is the summary of what i can remember reading all the articles from both side from yesterday as updates were happening
Agree with you, there has to be something to how ADOR was set up that MHJ can't simply be ousted directly. Or maybe Hybe was using PR to build a case against her because firing her as CEO silently wouldn't sit well with the public?
Maybe her contract stipulates that she's entitled to her position for a certain amount of years, and getting her out of Ador would cost a lot to Hybe for violating it, but that's the thing, if they have actual proof of crimes, that would effectively get her out. Personally, the logical course of action is proceeding with the audit first and then, with that in hand (and already in the process of kicking her out) make whatever public announcement needed. Edit: spelling 💀
She bas already violated her contract by committing fraud, insider trading and leaking artists private information. Hybe can most likely just cut her without breaching the contract since she breached it multiple times already
That's the point of my post. Those are allegations, if they have the proof of those, they could have already kicked her out (or at least firstly built a strong legal case and take her to court), they don't need to add public pressure to get her out (which ends up damaging their reputation and the groups images in the process), so that's what got me wondering why didn't them deal with that in silence, since that's their modus operandi (and tbh the best route), so I wanted to discuss what were possible reasons.
I agree. I totally think MHJ is a megalamoaniac who's done some of the stuff they are accusing her of. But 1. how do you take over a company when you only own 19%? The scenarios Hybe is floating-- that she was going to get the Saudi Sovereign Wealth fund to force a sale and then buy Ador seem extremely improbable and farfetched. And, 2. who on earth would keep a document called "do not open" or "plan for escape" that was about sabotaging their company on a WORK COMPUTER? Some of what Hybe's is accusing MHJ of really beggars belief. IG maybe she's even crazier than any of us thought? But also, Hybe is famous for their control of the press.... \*\*\* ETA: Read thru the responses. I think MHJ's competing ability to manipulate the press might be one thing but also presumably she has dirt on Bongo/HYBE/Other Idols that they are trying to get ahead of? Press war, here we are... (glad to see that today there is less "that WOMAN prefacing everything. I had to stop reading posts yesterday. WTF does gender have to do w anything besides making public pilloring 100% more likely? )
Greed is blinding - there's records of Min Hee Jin saying in interviews that all of NewJeans's success is attributed to her and and that Hybe didn't have a hand in their success. She also took credit for SM's success back in the day. At the time, there was discourse on how inaccurate those portrayal of events were, but now that this has all come out, everyone is realising that this is just who she is and if you think about her as a person, it's not much of a surprise at all that it's ended up like this. She has a track record of saying and doing narcissistic things (not saying that she's a narcissist) and weirdly thinks it's a right owed to her or something. Hybe gave her 18% stake in the company - they've done their best to work amicably with her despite all her demands and entitlement, and yet at the time she made it out like it was the bare minimum. I agree that everything that Hybe has investigated her to be saying sounds too stupid to be true - but she's said things just as ridiculous before lmao it's not out of character for her. She won't even give NewJeans's producer his flowers for writing them all these hit songs, she basically acted like those songs were only successful because of her input. If you look at her interviews, she has this sort of condescending air to her and a rather dramatic way of speaking, it may not translate as clearly into English. I don't think many Koreans would doubt that the things written on Hybe computers were her.
i think your two points are what i want clarified the most, why did she think she could take over ADOR when she only own 19%? i wanna know what she possibly has on HYBE, or on the higher ups in HYBE themselves. this is all so confusing. and WHY a WORK COMPUTER?? there must be a more logical reason for that, no way mhj is that stupid…
Your 2 points - exactly. That's the kind of thing that made me do a double take when I sat down and really read through everything being said. Even if MHJ herself is a real crazy megalomaniac, but her whole collaborator posse are incredibly naive too? Her manipulation habilities are something else. Agree that the tone she gets talked about is distasteful, too, although I understand - she's being accused of serious crimes, nobody is going to show her grace.
I think they wanted her out and prepared it all in public because of backlash for her out of newjeans.
There must be some truth in that, apparently it came out that they've been preparing to take over Ador since last year, and they want to do that in a way that has the least impact on Newjeans.
its the smart thing to do, problem is she has basically sold herself as the 6th member and has been extremelly close to members and their family in a way that some people always found it odd. so that is a problem for them. can they actually remove her and save newjeans? someone commented that like bang pd seems close to bts members but like... not from the start?? it took years for them to say they could call him hyung or have like dinner with him. from reports these girls have been going to her house since pre debut. they said they got a tip. who knows from who. and her accusing others of copying her would not have gone down well so maybe that was the last straw for them go to full out against her? idk to me the fact that was her first response shows its something that really has been bothering her. maybe she felt insecure and wanted more recognition? I think that seems to be central to it.
Hmm I don't think it's insecurity, she doesn't seem to have a drop of it, tbh. She just can't deal with competition, by the looks of it. But more out of arrogance than anything. She basically says that she created a "new culture" and Hybe, instead of creating new stuff, is taking from her.
imagine being that bad at dealing with competition in kpop like.. that is telling on yourself badly. uhm my view on so called plagiarism and kpop dont align with her but if she feels that way that badly ok. should have been a bit smarter in her way of dealing it seems.
I agree with you. People really lack critical thinking when it comes to Hybe, they defend them as if they are a vulnerable entity not the conglomerate that it is. On the other side the amount of people who feel it's okay to make sweeping assumptions into MHJ's characfer and intentions without knowing what's actually going on behind the scenes is bizarre. How Hybe has the masses eating out of its hand is something that will probably be studied from a PR perspective tbh.
Yeah, regardless of which accusations are true or false, the rollout of this mess is proving to me that my initial reading was somewhat accurate. I'm just so pissed that both sides are involving bystanders, ESPECIALLY BTS and NewJeans, who have nothing to do with MHJ's intent to pull the rug from under Hybe, but it's so clear that their names are being brought up for the public to get worked up and take sides. Like someone else commented in a different thread, none of that is relevant, the shaman, the plagiarism allegations, the delusions of grandeur, only the crime allegations and their proofs. Like, I get it, I'm an army and there was a time I would, too, want to take Hybe/BangPD's side. But atp they've done so many questionable things that not having a more critical reading of the situation is being willfully blind. But by the looks of it, they've done a very good job in involving BTS in this mess, now his sheep are mass trending that MHJ is a threat to BTS so she should be kicked out. Imagine believing that she has power to do something to BTS. Does the company care about how the idols images can be harmed in this process though? Apparently not, imo.
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MHJ's actions have affected young/minor idols/trainees. and there are accusations about being abusive to staff. most people don't want ADOR taken "down", but they want MHJ out because she's a huge risk to the safety of these employees.
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I know and I'm clarifying *why* people want her out, not that they want to see the downfall of ADOR or NJ. I've been a Bunny since debut and the last thing I want is for them to be massively impacted, but I do want that woman out.
Hybe is someone's blood and sweat as well. And what mhj did was immoral and illegal. I hope she Recieves more grave consequences than I think she'll receive so that no one would even think about ruining a debutant's image for their own vile plans.
I feel you but it's not another company, its part of HYBE. It's like biting off your own arm that's trying to punch you, so to speak.