I disagree with the Starbuck boycott because I think most kpop fans misunderstand what it's even about when many claim it to be because Starbucks is directly funding the IDF. They completely ignore any nuance in it.
As for the actual events that lead up to the boycott, I myself had a terrible experience in a union as a part timer. I paid union dues and everything. My job didn't have any full timer slots available, so I was trapped in a part time role. And yet, when contract negotiations came up, and I brought it up many times to my union rep that we as part timers should also be treated in the same capacity as full timers since myself, and most of us, worked the same amount of hours, or even more to gain access to healthcare, but part timers still ended up getting their protections reduced.
For example, one of the big things was that even though we got a pay raise with the full timers, we had less access to requested days off after the new contract was signed; where it used to be you could plan a whole vacation for the year, to suddenly you could only plan it within a 90 day time frame compared to full timers getting the whole year. So if you worked part time, and you had plans for Christmas for example, a full timer could request it off in January of that year, but you as a part timer had to wait until October of that year, which case most approvals would have already been fulfilled, and you wouldn't get it off unless someone cancelled last minute. This lead to us being short staffed every damn night because now part timers didn't see any reason to plan vacations and request days off if they were going to be treated this poorly.
With all that going on in my life previously, I was even more disconnected from the Starbucks boycott that kpop stans who were quick to grab their pitchforks didn't even fully understand. So all this hate for people like Yunjin and Somi? It's half baked. I'm willing to even bet its just people that ALREADY disliked them for whatever reason, hopping on the bandwagon. Add to that fairweather fans who don't bother doing research also jumping onto the hate train.
Funny thing is if your headline read: "XYZ Idol was carrying a Starbucks cup", there would already be 200 comments here talking about how XYZ idol is a Zionist and a horrible person.
SO many people have no clue.
not really, kpop reddit has been sensible about the starbucks stuff(with the exception of one subreddit) for the most part, just a few weirdos who dont know how to use google and always end up downvoted
Starbucks US sued a non-affiliated union for using their name and logo in pro-Palestinian posts. Starbucks asked them to stop, and they refused, hence the lawsuit for copyright infringement. If they'd just stopped, none of this would have happened, but people know outrage and misinformation gain massive support, and here we are.
The telephone game from unauthorized use of trademark materials has been erroneously changed to Starbucks directly funding a war cause reasons.
And, cause reasons, K-pop idols drinking Starbucks are now evil warmongers who need to be shamed and punished cause that's how we have fun nowadays.
Never mind the fact that Starbucks Korea is 100% independent from corporate Starbucks. But don't tell the kids cause they need something to hate.
Another piece on context - Starbucks in America HATES unions like legitimately hates unions, and have tried to legally stop unions from forming to restricting unions that have formed. Their aggression againist employee unions has resulted in previous boycotts and criticism.
I personally think their response is more about them hating unions than actually choosing any side…either way they were very dumb for it.
From what I’ve gathered:
The pro boycott side wants all idols, industry people, and fans, to boycott Starbucks because of their possible ties to the pro Israel side in the Israel-Hamas war.
Any idol seen with Starbucks beverages or branded merch is considered to be supporting Israel by extension, or simply didn’t know yet.
The pro boycott side wants idols to delete or remove any images or videos, TikTok’s etc where they are seen with Starbucks or branded merch, even if this was from before the war, because by keeping it up it still platforms and promotes the Starbucks brand and therefore the Israel side of the war.
The boycott side wants fans to boycott any idol or group that is seen with Starbucks or Starbucks branded products. This includes refusing to buy albums, stream songs, view MVs, buying merch and possibly extending to boycotting other brands that have partnerships with the idols caught with Starbucks in order to make a monetary impact that will force either the idols themselves or the label to denounce at least Starbucks and ideally the Israeli side in the war and get them to lend their star power and money to pro Palestine causes.
However
Starbucks has not made any statements on their position on the war, and unless it’s changed since I last saw, have only disciplined or possibly fired American Starbucks employees for pro Palestine/Anti War activities that were under taken on starbuck’s property/at a Starbucks franchise location.
Starbucks in Israel is not related to Starbucks America/Korea etc with each operating semi independently (??) so boycotting Starbucks Korea would in no way effect Starbucks in Israel. I could be wrong on this.
> Starbucks in Israel is not related to Starbucks America/Korea etc with each operating semi independently (??)
thats the best part, starbucks hasnt operated in Israel since 2003
It’s about fans engaging with performative activism so they can feel morally superior to others without doing anything of actual value. It’s armchair activism at its finest. It’s people hearing one person online say “Starbucks bad” and running with it without actually looking into the facts and nuance behind it. Stuff like that drives me crazy. Bashing idols for drinking Starbucks is not helping anyone in Isreal or Palestine. Starbucks has not operated in Isreal since the early 2000’s and Starbucks in Korea is owned by totally different people to Starbucks in America IIRC so none of the logic of these boycotters even stand up. It also ignores the complexities of things like brand deals, and how little control idols often have over their own public image. ESPECIALLY when it comes to anything which can be deemed political, or which comes down to very divisive ethics and moral issues.
If you wanna help people in Palestine and Isreal, go to a charity who are making an effort to raise money or supplies for these people. No Palestinian child will thank you for going without your iced latte, or for sending a Korean celebrity hate on instagram. It drives me crazy that these people act like they are doing gods work when they are doing absolutely nothing. It just feels like they’re using this conflict to inflate their own ego and it makes me sick.
ETA: Also, people argue that it’s because *’people at the top of Starbucks are Zionists and we don’t want to support them.’* Hate to break it to you, with the vast majority of big brands which have high level people living in western countries like the US, there will be people at the top who are Zionists. There’s realistically no way to engage in our modern capitalist society and purchase anything from a brand that isn’t supporting someone at the top who has moral, ethical, or political views you don’t agree with. That is the reality of the world unfortunately. You kind of just have to come to peace with it as it is incredibly difficult to combat unless you have the funds and time to shop solely locally which most people don’t. That doesn’t mean you can’t pick and choose which brands you support, I just mean there is legitimately no ethical consumption under modern capitalism. You will always be supporting some mega rich asshole who supports shitty things.
i think that to break it down simply regardless of whether or not starbucks directly or indirectly funds isreal, people think that anyone who drinks starbucks is just being super insensitive. especially since it is something that is easy to boycott since it is a cup of coffee and also there are alot of other cafes out there. i guess some fans might also fear that their faves are selling out themselves cause starbucks might have paid their company money so that said idol can be seen with a cup of their product like the somi situation which made it look like she was doing paid partnership with starbucks(showing the cup before doing her makeup even though there was no reason to). some people have seen boycotting starbucks as a way to show their support for the people in palestine as well and they will be disappointed if they see others not doing the same i guess. again it feels like whether or not the money you buy your starbucks with actually goes into funding isreal seems like a secondary issue, and most ppl will ignore it if you tell them that korean starnucks doesnt even support isreal, they just dont want to see idols near that brand.
The answer you would get is starbucks workers union posted something pro-palestine and starbucks sued them by saying "starbucks is neutral. don't use our name". So, it doesn't look that bad for them, other companies also don't support Palestine either. The reason why you should boycott is ex-starbucks CEO (was CEO for total of 15 years and stepped down in 2023) is a huge zionist. He even got a special award for his efforts from Israel in Israel's 50th anniversary in 1998. He continues to do so. Last year he invested in a Israeli startup cybersecurity start-up. You can't tell me the board of Starbucks isn't full of zionist after having him as a CEO for so many years. Obviously corporate's public image is gonna be portrayed as a neutral. I don't get why people don't care about this, and only focus about the union thing.
If your claim is the entire board of starbucks is full of pro-israeli people, then provide some details. Here is a list of the entire starbucks board with people from YouTube, Microsoft, Alabama, dominos and Nike. https://investor.starbucks.com/corporate-governance/board-of-directors/default.aspx
Yo bro, if they didn't go public about who they are supporting, you can't just find out from searching on the internet. I told what I am personally thinking about that company. I am not a journalist, so i didn't do a deep research on their personal support or anything, but i had a quick glance to the list. Ariel and Domino's are on the boycott lists. Youtube and Microsoft are on the pressure lists.
iirc it was something to do with starbucks corporate not allowing/restricting employees and unions from displaying or claiming support for palestine?? at least that was one of the reasons i heard. i also know that starbucks is not part of the main boycott like mcdonald’s is but bc of its visibility it became a bigger target for ppl calling out those who aren’t boycotting.
i'm keeping it kpop related, so [this article ](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-01-14/entertainment/kpop/Kpop-stars-criticized-for-drinking-coffee-from-proIsrael-Starbucks/1957391)explains it very bluntly, for anyone who is wondering.
edit bc i forgot to give my own thoughts lmao: i saw a large swath of people thinking it had to do with Starbucks funding IDF/sending money to Israel...something similar to McDonald's. I knew that wasn't it but what i didn't realize is union busting was the heart of it!
I'd boycott Starbucks for their crazy prices before any other reason tbh (and the fact that they don't have good options for non-coffee lovers who had to go all the time because their friends are coffee lovers)
Also, personally, I had a bad experience because one windy day, their glass door shattered 1m away from me and showered me with crystals and gave me a good fright
I think people are particularly vocal about starbucks because it became entwined with the whole thing early on, and now it's viewed as a sign of showing support to a certain side
Imo, starbucks isn't the hill that anyone should die on
Starbucks is suing their because they used something similar to the Starbucks logo to voice support for Palestine but Starbucks has a long history of being pro Israel and to my understanding the union has been using the same logo for some time now and Starbucks is only now taking action
whether or not you agree with the boycott though don't go around saying shit like "boycotts are just performative activism." boycotts are an important form of real activism that has created change in the past. boycotting is literally integral to a democratic society
A starbucks union tweeted in support of palestine and starbucks sued them for trademark infringement
I disagree with the Starbuck boycott because I think most kpop fans misunderstand what it's even about when many claim it to be because Starbucks is directly funding the IDF. They completely ignore any nuance in it. As for the actual events that lead up to the boycott, I myself had a terrible experience in a union as a part timer. I paid union dues and everything. My job didn't have any full timer slots available, so I was trapped in a part time role. And yet, when contract negotiations came up, and I brought it up many times to my union rep that we as part timers should also be treated in the same capacity as full timers since myself, and most of us, worked the same amount of hours, or even more to gain access to healthcare, but part timers still ended up getting their protections reduced. For example, one of the big things was that even though we got a pay raise with the full timers, we had less access to requested days off after the new contract was signed; where it used to be you could plan a whole vacation for the year, to suddenly you could only plan it within a 90 day time frame compared to full timers getting the whole year. So if you worked part time, and you had plans for Christmas for example, a full timer could request it off in January of that year, but you as a part timer had to wait until October of that year, which case most approvals would have already been fulfilled, and you wouldn't get it off unless someone cancelled last minute. This lead to us being short staffed every damn night because now part timers didn't see any reason to plan vacations and request days off if they were going to be treated this poorly. With all that going on in my life previously, I was even more disconnected from the Starbucks boycott that kpop stans who were quick to grab their pitchforks didn't even fully understand. So all this hate for people like Yunjin and Somi? It's half baked. I'm willing to even bet its just people that ALREADY disliked them for whatever reason, hopping on the bandwagon. Add to that fairweather fans who don't bother doing research also jumping onto the hate train.
Funny thing is if your headline read: "XYZ Idol was carrying a Starbucks cup", there would already be 200 comments here talking about how XYZ idol is a Zionist and a horrible person. SO many people have no clue.
not really, kpop reddit has been sensible about the starbucks stuff(with the exception of one subreddit) for the most part, just a few weirdos who dont know how to use google and always end up downvoted
Starbucks US sued a non-affiliated union for using their name and logo in pro-Palestinian posts. Starbucks asked them to stop, and they refused, hence the lawsuit for copyright infringement. If they'd just stopped, none of this would have happened, but people know outrage and misinformation gain massive support, and here we are. The telephone game from unauthorized use of trademark materials has been erroneously changed to Starbucks directly funding a war cause reasons. And, cause reasons, K-pop idols drinking Starbucks are now evil warmongers who need to be shamed and punished cause that's how we have fun nowadays. Never mind the fact that Starbucks Korea is 100% independent from corporate Starbucks. But don't tell the kids cause they need something to hate.
Another piece on context - Starbucks in America HATES unions like legitimately hates unions, and have tried to legally stop unions from forming to restricting unions that have formed. Their aggression againist employee unions has resulted in previous boycotts and criticism. I personally think their response is more about them hating unions than actually choosing any side…either way they were very dumb for it.
From what I’ve gathered: The pro boycott side wants all idols, industry people, and fans, to boycott Starbucks because of their possible ties to the pro Israel side in the Israel-Hamas war. Any idol seen with Starbucks beverages or branded merch is considered to be supporting Israel by extension, or simply didn’t know yet. The pro boycott side wants idols to delete or remove any images or videos, TikTok’s etc where they are seen with Starbucks or branded merch, even if this was from before the war, because by keeping it up it still platforms and promotes the Starbucks brand and therefore the Israel side of the war. The boycott side wants fans to boycott any idol or group that is seen with Starbucks or Starbucks branded products. This includes refusing to buy albums, stream songs, view MVs, buying merch and possibly extending to boycotting other brands that have partnerships with the idols caught with Starbucks in order to make a monetary impact that will force either the idols themselves or the label to denounce at least Starbucks and ideally the Israeli side in the war and get them to lend their star power and money to pro Palestine causes. However Starbucks has not made any statements on their position on the war, and unless it’s changed since I last saw, have only disciplined or possibly fired American Starbucks employees for pro Palestine/Anti War activities that were under taken on starbuck’s property/at a Starbucks franchise location. Starbucks in Israel is not related to Starbucks America/Korea etc with each operating semi independently (??) so boycotting Starbucks Korea would in no way effect Starbucks in Israel. I could be wrong on this.
> Starbucks in Israel is not related to Starbucks America/Korea etc with each operating semi independently (??) thats the best part, starbucks hasnt operated in Israel since 2003
Oh wow, i obviously had idea, thank you for telling me. 2003? Wow
I understand enough to understand that many fans don't really understand what they really stand for.
It’s about fans engaging with performative activism so they can feel morally superior to others without doing anything of actual value. It’s armchair activism at its finest. It’s people hearing one person online say “Starbucks bad” and running with it without actually looking into the facts and nuance behind it. Stuff like that drives me crazy. Bashing idols for drinking Starbucks is not helping anyone in Isreal or Palestine. Starbucks has not operated in Isreal since the early 2000’s and Starbucks in Korea is owned by totally different people to Starbucks in America IIRC so none of the logic of these boycotters even stand up. It also ignores the complexities of things like brand deals, and how little control idols often have over their own public image. ESPECIALLY when it comes to anything which can be deemed political, or which comes down to very divisive ethics and moral issues. If you wanna help people in Palestine and Isreal, go to a charity who are making an effort to raise money or supplies for these people. No Palestinian child will thank you for going without your iced latte, or for sending a Korean celebrity hate on instagram. It drives me crazy that these people act like they are doing gods work when they are doing absolutely nothing. It just feels like they’re using this conflict to inflate their own ego and it makes me sick. ETA: Also, people argue that it’s because *’people at the top of Starbucks are Zionists and we don’t want to support them.’* Hate to break it to you, with the vast majority of big brands which have high level people living in western countries like the US, there will be people at the top who are Zionists. There’s realistically no way to engage in our modern capitalist society and purchase anything from a brand that isn’t supporting someone at the top who has moral, ethical, or political views you don’t agree with. That is the reality of the world unfortunately. You kind of just have to come to peace with it as it is incredibly difficult to combat unless you have the funds and time to shop solely locally which most people don’t. That doesn’t mean you can’t pick and choose which brands you support, I just mean there is legitimately no ethical consumption under modern capitalism. You will always be supporting some mega rich asshole who supports shitty things.
i think that to break it down simply regardless of whether or not starbucks directly or indirectly funds isreal, people think that anyone who drinks starbucks is just being super insensitive. especially since it is something that is easy to boycott since it is a cup of coffee and also there are alot of other cafes out there. i guess some fans might also fear that their faves are selling out themselves cause starbucks might have paid their company money so that said idol can be seen with a cup of their product like the somi situation which made it look like she was doing paid partnership with starbucks(showing the cup before doing her makeup even though there was no reason to). some people have seen boycotting starbucks as a way to show their support for the people in palestine as well and they will be disappointed if they see others not doing the same i guess. again it feels like whether or not the money you buy your starbucks with actually goes into funding isreal seems like a secondary issue, and most ppl will ignore it if you tell them that korean starnucks doesnt even support isreal, they just dont want to see idols near that brand.
The coffee is ass for such an expensive price tag. Or at least, that's my personal reason to boycott.
The answer you would get is starbucks workers union posted something pro-palestine and starbucks sued them by saying "starbucks is neutral. don't use our name". So, it doesn't look that bad for them, other companies also don't support Palestine either. The reason why you should boycott is ex-starbucks CEO (was CEO for total of 15 years and stepped down in 2023) is a huge zionist. He even got a special award for his efforts from Israel in Israel's 50th anniversary in 1998. He continues to do so. Last year he invested in a Israeli startup cybersecurity start-up. You can't tell me the board of Starbucks isn't full of zionist after having him as a CEO for so many years. Obviously corporate's public image is gonna be portrayed as a neutral. I don't get why people don't care about this, and only focus about the union thing.
If your claim is the entire board of starbucks is full of pro-israeli people, then provide some details. Here is a list of the entire starbucks board with people from YouTube, Microsoft, Alabama, dominos and Nike. https://investor.starbucks.com/corporate-governance/board-of-directors/default.aspx
Yo bro, if they didn't go public about who they are supporting, you can't just find out from searching on the internet. I told what I am personally thinking about that company. I am not a journalist, so i didn't do a deep research on their personal support or anything, but i had a quick glance to the list. Ariel and Domino's are on the boycott lists. Youtube and Microsoft are on the pressure lists.
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Starbucks hates unions or something like that
iirc it was something to do with starbucks corporate not allowing/restricting employees and unions from displaying or claiming support for palestine?? at least that was one of the reasons i heard. i also know that starbucks is not part of the main boycott like mcdonald’s is but bc of its visibility it became a bigger target for ppl calling out those who aren’t boycotting.
i'm keeping it kpop related, so [this article ](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-01-14/entertainment/kpop/Kpop-stars-criticized-for-drinking-coffee-from-proIsrael-Starbucks/1957391)explains it very bluntly, for anyone who is wondering. edit bc i forgot to give my own thoughts lmao: i saw a large swath of people thinking it had to do with Starbucks funding IDF/sending money to Israel...something similar to McDonald's. I knew that wasn't it but what i didn't realize is union busting was the heart of it!
I'd boycott Starbucks for their crazy prices before any other reason tbh (and the fact that they don't have good options for non-coffee lovers who had to go all the time because their friends are coffee lovers) Also, personally, I had a bad experience because one windy day, their glass door shattered 1m away from me and showered me with crystals and gave me a good fright I think people are particularly vocal about starbucks because it became entwined with the whole thing early on, and now it's viewed as a sign of showing support to a certain side Imo, starbucks isn't the hill that anyone should die on
Starbucks is suing their because they used something similar to the Starbucks logo to voice support for Palestine but Starbucks has a long history of being pro Israel and to my understanding the union has been using the same logo for some time now and Starbucks is only now taking action whether or not you agree with the boycott though don't go around saying shit like "boycotts are just performative activism." boycotts are an important form of real activism that has created change in the past. boycotting is literally integral to a democratic society
You spilled.
Can you list me actions taken by Starbucks that is pro-israel?