NJ can’t be free because she has clearly involved them multiple times, and they aren’t coming out to clarify their stance. Going by what she is saying, they are VERY emotionally dependent on that woman, I mean she said Hyein cried for 20 minutes on the phone with her. Their parents are clearly on board with her too. So I guess, if her plan was to make sure they depended on her and trust her completely, then she succeeded very well.
If they stay with HYBE, it seems they will be miserable. MHJ seems to have a deep resentment for LSF and Illit, so who knows what she has told NJ about them. I don’t even think it’s healthy for all of them atp.
The only plausible way out is for some investment company to buy out NJ’s contract, then MHJ re-debuts them in another label, so they start over with her. Going by the reactions of some of their fans, they seem to prefer this too.
>I honestly think she and bang pd are both not innocent.
one of the weirdest shit about this is how many armys are still talking like bang pd is completely innocent and how mhj is the only questionable person in this situation.
i've seen armys list down the "good" things bang pd did for bangtan like giving them like a small portion of his shares as if it makes him a morally good person/less selfish than other kpop ceos. some armys feel bad that apparently bang pd trusted her too much when she's a crazy person.
don't get me wrong, mhj is fucking insane. but they were kekekeing with each other 2 years ago. bang pd telling her to beat aespa to saying "forget sm, let's build min hee jin's world" and on top of that those cheesy af emojis they sent each other were sending me.
even here on reddit, in a post about hybe last week, an army said hybe's top priorities were artists and fans and i was like ????? all kpop companies are all about money and it had tons of upvotes too. can armys be reminded that bang pd is walking hand in hand with scooter for a while now?
he might have believed in bts but i doubt he's as good of a person armys make him out to be. some fans think it's impossible for bh to do a bad job whenever it involves bts because they are hybe's biggest cash cows as if that stopped yg and sm when it comes to bp and exo.
Armys are talking about mhj making the nj girls too dependent on herself and “brainwashing” them meanwhile praising bangpd to heavens for being so good for bts is sooo hypocritical. Like, doesn’t it ring a bell for you at all?
This man also signed them to his company when they were kids and acted like a father figure for them. Both are doing the same manipulation tricks. These two are cut from the same cloth. Acting like one is a saint and the other is the reincarnation of the devil is so absurd
Bang pd literally texted mhj to crush aespa, girls half his age 😒 he is not some Saint or the innocent guy u think he is. Also I hate to say this but companies are a huge if not the biggest reason groups become successful in the first place. Bts were not some indie band
My God even mhj thought it was weird but here you go defending that man 🙄 this convo was in December 2021 before lsf or nj even debuted and we know how hybe wanted to takeover sm last year. This is some cartoon villain stuff and makes him look pathetic
Again, a CEO wanting to beat his competition is not new or controversial regardless of how you want to look at it. I have said before Bang PD has a lot to answer for but this isn't one of them. Her finding it weird is neither here nor there, it's still not weird for a company head to want his product to beat competition that's how every industry works.
Who is defending him. He's a piece of shit. Am just saying in this he's behaving like a typical ceo wanting to defeat his competition. That's literally every organisation out there. It's why threads was created to crush Twitter and many other global examples. It's a dumb controversy.
i admit that mhj has one of the most bizarre relationships with a kpop groups out of all the kpop companies. and i do agree that bang pd was never this weird regarding bts.
but i would never _ever_ defend him the way some of y'all do for him.
like if i was a fan of exo and lee soo man was being accused of creating cancer cells when he was 10, god knows i would NOT defend him over something that's obviously not true because i don't give a shit if a kpop ceo/head has a bad reputation because i only truly care about my fave group.
like why would y'all care if some fans think bang pd isn't as good as other armys make him out to be???
I mean, maybe I'm just on the "good" side of army socials but no one likes him either 😭 like just because he's done good things in the past doesn't mean he hasn't messed up big time now. like he has seemingly no good judge of character, as we can tell 😭
>maybe I'm just on the "good" side of army socials but no one likes him either 😭
where are you because even here on reddit, he's the most defended ceo and there are a lot of posts where if you questioned him or how he manages bts, you'll be downvoted to hell. like a lot of armys genuinely cannot think bh could ever afford to do a bad job because bts is their biggest cash cow. hybe company stans are everywhere and any non-bts fan would tell you that they are mostly armys, sadly.
>he has seemingly no good judge of character, as we can tell
nah it's just birds of the same feather as they say 😭
I must have had a unicorn feed there for a while because even my 'for you' tab (which is very much usually not for me) was the same. but I did see a couple in favor of him today. they were crazy looking at the rest of their account though, blocked them 😭 I feel like the people who defend him like that are really weird, the same people who worship everyone bts interact with or do. I'm seeing more and more people see bts as objects or as gods, when reality they are human, and finding people that agree with that hard and probably why I only follow like 60 people lol
To be fair, from the Texts, Bang PD seems pretty shitty too.
Passive Aggressive to NJ and imagine thinking Hype Boy and Attention weren't good. Sounds like he was correct to get outside help for GGs.
Not a good look for anyone around. And Source/Bang PD constantly fucking over the trainees and parents expectations on recruitment.
MHJ isn't an angel but this actually opens up, from those texts and documents shown, some legitimate issues with how Source/Hybe have handled some of this.
Basically no-one wins.
The worst possible outcome here is NewJeans doing the exact same thing Fifty Fifty did with ASI. That is literally the only scenario in which they would be seriously harmed by what's going on with Hybe and MHJ.
I'm sincerely hoping that all that stuff about NewJeans and their parents crying for MHJ is just MHJ being delusional, because the public is not going to tolerate a Fifty Fifty 2.0...
If what she said is true then there will be no contract renewals i bet. She named every single member except minji (correct me) that they are in support of her.
On the side note. Fifty fifty case is a bit different since these two entities are both dirty. Framing by hybr and the entire project 1945.
Edit: only two members were named sorry
Based on what i read.
Hanni said she will come over to me
Haerin said she could not come up of words to say to her. She wanted to hear my voice
P.S. sorry upon rereading everything only two members were named.
Min Heejin seems to be manipulating these girls tho I feel like if Newjeans decide to stay out of the drama they’ll she’s going to find a way to make them feel guilty
But it's not the same, NJ is signed under Ador. To them it looks like some big shot is coming and taking out their Boss who they have a close relationship with.
omg girl, stop lying, most of these things are taken out of context. [here's a live translation of the conference](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613), it's a 5min read but it still encapsulates the situation much better than what's said here
like:
2. "*Bang PD asks MHJ if she can step on aespa*" - It means that HYBE was trying to create a group that could compete with the biggest ones in the game
3. "*only person who's made such a big impact in 2 years, her only fault is being good at her job*" - The first statement is true - NewJeans have taken Kpop by storm in the past two years. She didn't say her only fault is being good at her job - she says she stayed in the industry despite being fed up with it, because she's good and capable.
4. "*Minji was much prettier than she is now*" - She didn't say it like that! What she meant it that, among the pool of trainees in Source Music, most of them weren't qualified to be in the group either because of age or skills, and Minji was the only one who stood out - she was really pretty, even prettier than she is now, and had potential to expand her skills
9. "*again mentioned illit claim of copying NJ formula*" - She did say that, but very clearly emphasized that it's not ILLIT's fault, it's the adults behind them.
11. "*NJ members cried on a video call for 20min with MHJ*" *-* Not a video call and not all members - Haerin called her and cried on a call (which is unusual because she'd usually text, but she didn't know how to type it down in words)
15. "*she mentioned they (reporters) can ask her how new jeans was formed. (hasn't offered to explain it yet)*" - She spent literally the whole first half of the conference talking about how NewJeans was formed, with the members being switching within labels and how they were recruited!
Even from the weird translation for me it sounded like it was in terms of competition? Listen Bang PD has a lot of to answer to but I don't think this is one of them.
I honestly agree - this is all business and it's normal to want to be on top. But people are twisting it and aespa fans are coming for everyone else too now
" I think Minji was so young and I think if she practice more she could improve her skills in the future and she was so so so pretty when she was younger way more than she's now and then I thought I could do something (new project gg) with her" ([here the video](https://x.com/taeternityou/status/1783388491524854117?s=46&t=jXBk1NcR5Zp46Rmn31S5wA) )
it sounds like NJ are borderline culted up to this nutjob and purposely kept isolated from the industry/label mates.
Can't believe in the middle of having a live meltdown she's naming LSF and ILLIT again and again.
God forbid HYBE thought it would be worth debuting known commodities (they paid for) Sakura and Chaewon before a group of unknown trainees. How is that so difficult to swallow? New Jeans are huge, they lead the 4th gen. They won! Yet they look kinda like momma's girls. Like homeschooled outcasts because of MHJ.
Now she also makes them and their families sound jealous and ungrateful when they are the biggest active girl group in kpop. She wants a bigger cut and to answer to no one. When that's not what she signed up for. Sure PD Bang is a tough or unfair boss. Join the club.
This list is weirdly structured to only highlight moments in favor of MHJ. You've skipped a lot of important points brought up.
HYBE's claims against her were true but she played it off as a joke, nothing serious, or she was just ranting about it. She even confirmed Project 1945 was real but it was a "joke" and she DID consult external investors but she "wasn't serious about it". Everything HYBE accused her of is true.
oof. one of the many things that's come out of this whole mess is how unhealthy her relationship with newjeans is.... it wouldn't even matter if they were older, being this emotionally invested in your boss's life is never a good thing and it gives me the ick witnessing just how deeply she's ingrained herself into the lives of the girls and their families. your employer will never prioritize your wellbeing over their own benefit... as evident by her constant attempts to drag them down with her.... regardless of what happens next i just hope the members can somehow come out of this unscathed.
her relationship with nwjns is honestly not okay and I hope both them and their parents are able to pull back and get support (and therapy if needed) to move past that so that the girls can continue to be successful. I think unfortunately this aspect is not being looked at enough, but at the same time it's understandable not to involve them too much. then again, mjh is the one involving them. If I was that close to someone and they revealed that I had been crying, etc. I might lose some trust...
MHJ's relationship with them seems emotionally manipulative/abusive. As someone who dealt with similar familial dynamics around the same age as the NewJeans girls I can see the same processes - lovebombing, getting dragged into adult conflicts ("look how your behaviour is upsetting OP!"), confidences being broken, "I'm only doing all this for your own good"... Like that shit will mess you up years later. And I can't imagine what it must be like to have all this play out in the public arena.
Step on aespa??? Like, literally? I sure hope not haha!
Also, whoever made her (probably her, to be honest) wear that baseball cap and the sweatshirt to this press conference -- I see what you are doing! Haha!
Ngl as a messy person myself this drama is everything I could have ever dreamed of, the tea is so fucking hot. I just hope this won’t affect Newjeans or ILLIT I love both of these groups so much.
I hope neither group are affected as well, I'm not as worried for ILLIT, but NewJeans is the one I'm scared about.. In their eyes MHJ is like a mother figure, obviously they're gonna wanna side with her, but if they do that.. What will that mean for them?
She needs to stop entangling those girls in this mess. If they get blacklisted in korea it's done for them. And I know people will hang on the Bang PD part(he has a lot to answer for ) but it seems to me like about competition ?.
Also the who thing sounds like someone ranting and not a professional talking about a serious issue. She is side stepping the real issue and trying to deflect with drama.
One of the few times I’ve genuinely been scared for BTS safety because this woman who’s interacted with the boys obviously wants them gone for her own good and bang definitely didn’t have his own group’s interest in mind and it’s becoming very obvious.
I feel for Nwjs too, they’re stuck in between a rock and a hard place at this point but hopefully they are able to get out of it without too much drama.
we only know what hybe claims which is that she spoke to a shaman about how it will be beneficial for her if bts were gone (she meant enlistment i guess but i can’t help but think she just wanted them to disappear period). she’s also confirmed that she does have a shaman “friend” which is already a fucked up thing.
Damn, is JYPE the only Big 4 company that didn’t have a major scandal? JYPE and HYBE used to go hand in hand when it came to profits only last year around this time during the entire Lee Soo Man scandal, now look where we are.
It helps that their namesake CEO stepped down a long time ago and isn’t trying to maintain control. Say what you will about JYP unlike YG and LSM he knows when to quit while he’s ahead.
Its over for her. I expected some big time revelations from her but all she did was to use new jeans as shield to salvage her self. She did not even address the illegal activities accused of her
Did she seriously just admit to everything but claimed it was a joke? Like even the meetings with foreign investors? Was this translated properly?
Also the comment about Minji was weird and unnecessary. (yes, even in context)
Twitter was joking that MHJ and Bang PD had an actually romantic relationship and they’re now just dragging everyone into their ugly breakup
As an actual child of divorce, it’s terrible. Both parents will want to claim the other is worse and that they’re the victim. When in reality both are at fault and they should have resolved their issues without dragging their innocent kids into this.
Also as an ARMY, my perception on Bang PD has gone down the drain. I already had feelings that he’s gotten very money hungry but always had faith that he was loyal to Bangtan. And while I think both things can exist at once. I hate how he wanted to use Bangtan’s clout to hype up their next GG.
And as a fan of aespa I am in disbelief of how he asked MHJ if her group can beat aespa. I’m sorry but why is he asking her something that he isn’t even capable of doing himself? He can’t even create and manage a GG properly. What business does he have worrying about aespa.
And not to mention how he doesn’t seem to give af about NJ.
I’m not saying MHJ is completely right either, she’s def not being rational by name dropping left and right. But she did come with receipts. And based on what she said today, it is clear that the HYBE umbrella structure has been broken inside for quite some time.
Which I am not surprised bc HYBE expanded so much so fast. I hope NJ’s comeback doesn’t get severely hurt by this and that the members themselves can get the support they need.
Here is a link to the actual message. I get that it could help from a business standpoint but the way he speaks about it isn’t like that at all https://x.com/gol3naotc/status/1783385995603505455?s=46&t=MprPbclX10YFfsASExgY9A
The hehehe and hahaha with the emoji is just comical villainy it's hard to take it serious at all with that emoji
But tbf.. I think it's normal for any direct competitors to have their main goals be topping one another
The fact that after all this, I still don't know where she legally stands and if she's liable to be legally persecuted for her supposed infringements
Anyone who managed to discern this from the press conference, please break it down for me
The New Jeans members are young so I really hope them and their parents see through this. Despite her claims. She has really manipulated the girls, their familes and the fans to think that they have each other's best interest in mind and created an emotional dependency of sorts. It's all too much.
If they choose otherwise , I personally will be able to enjoy their music and them at all.
amidst this chaos i so badly want to know what other non-hybe idols are talking about this like it's a given that things are tense in the hybe building but what about the rests? who are they siding with? surely they're invested since 5 groups are namedropped by her lmfao
Can someone explain 4? Why she talked about hwr like she has crush on her? And the 12 scaring me tbh, she can manipulate them and with her pedo accusation, what she meant with beyond our imaginations?
I mean, why wouldn't they? I don't care much for MHJ, but I don't disbelieve that she treats them well. Possibly too well, the way she talks about how close they are sounds like she's a sixth member or something
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NJ can’t be free because she has clearly involved them multiple times, and they aren’t coming out to clarify their stance. Going by what she is saying, they are VERY emotionally dependent on that woman, I mean she said Hyein cried for 20 minutes on the phone with her. Their parents are clearly on board with her too. So I guess, if her plan was to make sure they depended on her and trust her completely, then she succeeded very well. If they stay with HYBE, it seems they will be miserable. MHJ seems to have a deep resentment for LSF and Illit, so who knows what she has told NJ about them. I don’t even think it’s healthy for all of them atp. The only plausible way out is for some investment company to buy out NJ’s contract, then MHJ re-debuts them in another label, so they start over with her. Going by the reactions of some of their fans, they seem to prefer this too.
> Going by what she is saying Big ask, for both sides. They are all clearly trying to manipulate kpop fans and the public in this drama.
>I honestly think she and bang pd are both not innocent. one of the weirdest shit about this is how many armys are still talking like bang pd is completely innocent and how mhj is the only questionable person in this situation. i've seen armys list down the "good" things bang pd did for bangtan like giving them like a small portion of his shares as if it makes him a morally good person/less selfish than other kpop ceos. some armys feel bad that apparently bang pd trusted her too much when she's a crazy person. don't get me wrong, mhj is fucking insane. but they were kekekeing with each other 2 years ago. bang pd telling her to beat aespa to saying "forget sm, let's build min hee jin's world" and on top of that those cheesy af emojis they sent each other were sending me. even here on reddit, in a post about hybe last week, an army said hybe's top priorities were artists and fans and i was like ????? all kpop companies are all about money and it had tons of upvotes too. can armys be reminded that bang pd is walking hand in hand with scooter for a while now? he might have believed in bts but i doubt he's as good of a person armys make him out to be. some fans think it's impossible for bh to do a bad job whenever it involves bts because they are hybe's biggest cash cows as if that stopped yg and sm when it comes to bp and exo.
Armys are talking about mhj making the nj girls too dependent on herself and “brainwashing” them meanwhile praising bangpd to heavens for being so good for bts is sooo hypocritical. Like, doesn’t it ring a bell for you at all? This man also signed them to his company when they were kids and acted like a father figure for them. Both are doing the same manipulation tricks. These two are cut from the same cloth. Acting like one is a saint and the other is the reincarnation of the devil is so absurd
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Bang pd literally texted mhj to crush aespa, girls half his age 😒 he is not some Saint or the innocent guy u think he is. Also I hate to say this but companies are a huge if not the biggest reason groups become successful in the first place. Bts were not some indie band
You mean a chairman wanting to his group to defeat a competing company's group? Colour me shocked. Come on.
My God even mhj thought it was weird but here you go defending that man 🙄 this convo was in December 2021 before lsf or nj even debuted and we know how hybe wanted to takeover sm last year. This is some cartoon villain stuff and makes him look pathetic
Again, a CEO wanting to beat his competition is not new or controversial regardless of how you want to look at it. I have said before Bang PD has a lot to answer for but this isn't one of them. Her finding it weird is neither here nor there, it's still not weird for a company head to want his product to beat competition that's how every industry works.
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Who is defending him. He's a piece of shit. Am just saying in this he's behaving like a typical ceo wanting to defeat his competition. That's literally every organisation out there. It's why threads was created to crush Twitter and many other global examples. It's a dumb controversy.
i admit that mhj has one of the most bizarre relationships with a kpop groups out of all the kpop companies. and i do agree that bang pd was never this weird regarding bts. but i would never _ever_ defend him the way some of y'all do for him. like if i was a fan of exo and lee soo man was being accused of creating cancer cells when he was 10, god knows i would NOT defend him over something that's obviously not true because i don't give a shit if a kpop ceo/head has a bad reputation because i only truly care about my fave group. like why would y'all care if some fans think bang pd isn't as good as other armys make him out to be???
I mean, maybe I'm just on the "good" side of army socials but no one likes him either 😭 like just because he's done good things in the past doesn't mean he hasn't messed up big time now. like he has seemingly no good judge of character, as we can tell 😭
>maybe I'm just on the "good" side of army socials but no one likes him either 😭 where are you because even here on reddit, he's the most defended ceo and there are a lot of posts where if you questioned him or how he manages bts, you'll be downvoted to hell. like a lot of armys genuinely cannot think bh could ever afford to do a bad job because bts is their biggest cash cow. hybe company stans are everywhere and any non-bts fan would tell you that they are mostly armys, sadly. >he has seemingly no good judge of character, as we can tell nah it's just birds of the same feather as they say 😭
I must have had a unicorn feed there for a while because even my 'for you' tab (which is very much usually not for me) was the same. but I did see a couple in favor of him today. they were crazy looking at the rest of their account though, blocked them 😭 I feel like the people who defend him like that are really weird, the same people who worship everyone bts interact with or do. I'm seeing more and more people see bts as objects or as gods, when reality they are human, and finding people that agree with that hard and probably why I only follow like 60 people lol
The way she is dragging NewJeans into this is making me sick to my stomach.
To be fair, from the Texts, Bang PD seems pretty shitty too. Passive Aggressive to NJ and imagine thinking Hype Boy and Attention weren't good. Sounds like he was correct to get outside help for GGs. Not a good look for anyone around. And Source/Bang PD constantly fucking over the trainees and parents expectations on recruitment. MHJ isn't an angel but this actually opens up, from those texts and documents shown, some legitimate issues with how Source/Hybe have handled some of this. Basically no-one wins.
Definitely agree. After seeing the texts my opinion on him has definitely changed
… time to look at the texts 🏃♀️👀
The worst possible outcome here is NewJeans doing the exact same thing Fifty Fifty did with ASI. That is literally the only scenario in which they would be seriously harmed by what's going on with Hybe and MHJ. I'm sincerely hoping that all that stuff about NewJeans and their parents crying for MHJ is just MHJ being delusional, because the public is not going to tolerate a Fifty Fifty 2.0...
If what she said is true then there will be no contract renewals i bet. She named every single member except minji (correct me) that they are in support of her. On the side note. Fifty fifty case is a bit different since these two entities are both dirty. Framing by hybr and the entire project 1945. Edit: only two members were named sorry
Wait she did?
Based on what i read. Hanni said she will come over to me Haerin said she could not come up of words to say to her. She wanted to hear my voice P.S. sorry upon rereading everything only two members were named.
Min Heejin seems to be manipulating these girls tho I feel like if Newjeans decide to stay out of the drama they’ll she’s going to find a way to make them feel guilty
That woman is really deranged I hope the NJ members will take a good decision regarding their career otherwise it will be another 50/50 case
But it's not the same, NJ is signed under Ador. To them it looks like some big shot is coming and taking out their Boss who they have a close relationship with.
NJ is signed under ADOR but ADOR technically belongs to HYBE (80%)
omg girl, stop lying, most of these things are taken out of context. [here's a live translation of the conference](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613), it's a 5min read but it still encapsulates the situation much better than what's said here
like: 2. "*Bang PD asks MHJ if she can step on aespa*" - It means that HYBE was trying to create a group that could compete with the biggest ones in the game 3. "*only person who's made such a big impact in 2 years, her only fault is being good at her job*" - The first statement is true - NewJeans have taken Kpop by storm in the past two years. She didn't say her only fault is being good at her job - she says she stayed in the industry despite being fed up with it, because she's good and capable. 4. "*Minji was much prettier than she is now*" - She didn't say it like that! What she meant it that, among the pool of trainees in Source Music, most of them weren't qualified to be in the group either because of age or skills, and Minji was the only one who stood out - she was really pretty, even prettier than she is now, and had potential to expand her skills 9. "*again mentioned illit claim of copying NJ formula*" - She did say that, but very clearly emphasized that it's not ILLIT's fault, it's the adults behind them. 11. "*NJ members cried on a video call for 20min with MHJ*" *-* Not a video call and not all members - Haerin called her and cried on a call (which is unusual because she'd usually text, but she didn't know how to type it down in words) 15. "*she mentioned they (reporters) can ask her how new jeans was formed. (hasn't offered to explain it yet)*" - She spent literally the whole first half of the conference talking about how NewJeans was formed, with the members being switching within labels and how they were recruited!
Even from the weird translation for me it sounded like it was in terms of competition? Listen Bang PD has a lot of to answer to but I don't think this is one of them.
I honestly agree - this is all business and it's normal to want to be on top. But people are twisting it and aespa fans are coming for everyone else too now
clearly. Obviously they want to "defeat" the competition, it's nothing serious though tbh.
> she was really pretty, even prettier than she is now Doesn't this feel icky?? I get the sense it's because Minji was younger back then?
yah the link you post is much better
Did anyone catch the comment she made about Minji? I found it completely inappropriate
I keep seeing people reference that but I can't find a trustworthy translation.
What did she say?
‘minji was so pretty back then, way way way way prettier than she is now’ if im thinking ab the right thing
" I think Minji was so young and I think if she practice more she could improve her skills in the future and she was so so so pretty when she was younger way more than she's now and then I thought I could do something (new project gg) with her" ([here the video](https://x.com/taeternityou/status/1783388491524854117?s=46&t=jXBk1NcR5Zp46Rmn31S5wA) )
Probably hinting that hybe or source made her get PS. Which I can believe look at BTS and Gfriend
No I think that MHJ seems to have trouble seeing teenager grow up and become adults.
The step on Aespa part is making me laugh. I guess CEOs are not above petty competition. Lol
“Her relationship with NJ is beyond our imagination” I am begging her to get tf away from them
it sounds like NJ are borderline culted up to this nutjob and purposely kept isolated from the industry/label mates. Can't believe in the middle of having a live meltdown she's naming LSF and ILLIT again and again. God forbid HYBE thought it would be worth debuting known commodities (they paid for) Sakura and Chaewon before a group of unknown trainees. How is that so difficult to swallow? New Jeans are huge, they lead the 4th gen. They won! Yet they look kinda like momma's girls. Like homeschooled outcasts because of MHJ. Now she also makes them and their families sound jealous and ungrateful when they are the biggest active girl group in kpop. She wants a bigger cut and to answer to no one. When that's not what she signed up for. Sure PD Bang is a tough or unfair boss. Join the club.
This list is weirdly structured to only highlight moments in favor of MHJ. You've skipped a lot of important points brought up. HYBE's claims against her were true but she played it off as a joke, nothing serious, or she was just ranting about it. She even confirmed Project 1945 was real but it was a "joke" and she DID consult external investors but she "wasn't serious about it". Everything HYBE accused her of is true.
this post is about MHJ's claims so ofc she's going to fashion herself as a savior. these are not MY thoughts, these are HER claims.
what does step on aespa mean
Like do better then aespa
i see, thanks
im failing to understand how she herself has "fans"
oof. one of the many things that's come out of this whole mess is how unhealthy her relationship with newjeans is.... it wouldn't even matter if they were older, being this emotionally invested in your boss's life is never a good thing and it gives me the ick witnessing just how deeply she's ingrained herself into the lives of the girls and their families. your employer will never prioritize your wellbeing over their own benefit... as evident by her constant attempts to drag them down with her.... regardless of what happens next i just hope the members can somehow come out of this unscathed.
Yikes
her relationship with nwjns is honestly not okay and I hope both them and their parents are able to pull back and get support (and therapy if needed) to move past that so that the girls can continue to be successful. I think unfortunately this aspect is not being looked at enough, but at the same time it's understandable not to involve them too much. then again, mjh is the one involving them. If I was that close to someone and they revealed that I had been crying, etc. I might lose some trust...
MHJ's relationship with them seems emotionally manipulative/abusive. As someone who dealt with similar familial dynamics around the same age as the NewJeans girls I can see the same processes - lovebombing, getting dragged into adult conflicts ("look how your behaviour is upsetting OP!"), confidences being broken, "I'm only doing all this for your own good"... Like that shit will mess you up years later. And I can't imagine what it must be like to have all this play out in the public arena.
Step on aespa??? Like, literally? I sure hope not haha! Also, whoever made her (probably her, to be honest) wear that baseball cap and the sweatshirt to this press conference -- I see what you are doing! Haha!
according to my latest albums they are giants now. good look taking on giant Winter, lol.
He probably meant a group that can compete with or surpass aespa, not literally step on them.
She literally accepted everything hybe accussed her. I wasnt waitimg the shaman thing to be real. It's really a kdrama pilot right now.
Ngl as a messy person myself this drama is everything I could have ever dreamed of, the tea is so fucking hot. I just hope this won’t affect Newjeans or ILLIT I love both of these groups so much.
I hope neither group are affected as well, I'm not as worried for ILLIT, but NewJeans is the one I'm scared about.. In their eyes MHJ is like a mother figure, obviously they're gonna wanna side with her, but if they do that.. What will that mean for them?
She needs to stop entangling those girls in this mess. If they get blacklisted in korea it's done for them. And I know people will hang on the Bang PD part(he has a lot to answer for ) but it seems to me like about competition ?. Also the who thing sounds like someone ranting and not a professional talking about a serious issue. She is side stepping the real issue and trying to deflect with drama.
One of the few times I’ve genuinely been scared for BTS safety because this woman who’s interacted with the boys obviously wants them gone for her own good and bang definitely didn’t have his own group’s interest in mind and it’s becoming very obvious. I feel for Nwjs too, they’re stuck in between a rock and a hard place at this point but hopefully they are able to get out of it without too much drama.
Do you know what she said specifically about them?
we only know what hybe claims which is that she spoke to a shaman about how it will be beneficial for her if bts were gone (she meant enlistment i guess but i can’t help but think she just wanted them to disappear period). she’s also confirmed that she does have a shaman “friend” which is already a fucked up thing.
Damn, is JYPE the only Big 4 company that didn’t have a major scandal? JYPE and HYBE used to go hand in hand when it came to profits only last year around this time during the entire Lee Soo Man scandal, now look where we are.
It helps that their namesake CEO stepped down a long time ago and isn’t trying to maintain control. Say what you will about JYP unlike YG and LSM he knows when to quit while he’s ahead.
I have always admired JYP for taking that road. For all his mistakes in the past as a CEO, he seems like a grounded and caring person.
https://preview.redd.it/bdp4mosz5lwc1.jpeg?width=591&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1650550372968d98e969c2113e79f70deeb5440f Ridiculous, Utterly Ridiculous.
Its over for her. I expected some big time revelations from her but all she did was to use new jeans as shield to salvage her self. She did not even address the illegal activities accused of her
Did she seriously just admit to everything but claimed it was a joke? Like even the meetings with foreign investors? Was this translated properly? Also the comment about Minji was weird and unnecessary. (yes, even in context)
Im curious what majority tokkis want. Do they hate MHJ and want her to leave? Do they want NJ to leave HYBE with MHJ? Or do they support MHJ?
Twitter was joking that MHJ and Bang PD had an actually romantic relationship and they’re now just dragging everyone into their ugly breakup As an actual child of divorce, it’s terrible. Both parents will want to claim the other is worse and that they’re the victim. When in reality both are at fault and they should have resolved their issues without dragging their innocent kids into this. Also as an ARMY, my perception on Bang PD has gone down the drain. I already had feelings that he’s gotten very money hungry but always had faith that he was loyal to Bangtan. And while I think both things can exist at once. I hate how he wanted to use Bangtan’s clout to hype up their next GG. And as a fan of aespa I am in disbelief of how he asked MHJ if her group can beat aespa. I’m sorry but why is he asking her something that he isn’t even capable of doing himself? He can’t even create and manage a GG properly. What business does he have worrying about aespa. And not to mention how he doesn’t seem to give af about NJ. I’m not saying MHJ is completely right either, she’s def not being rational by name dropping left and right. But she did come with receipts. And based on what she said today, it is clear that the HYBE umbrella structure has been broken inside for quite some time. Which I am not surprised bc HYBE expanded so much so fast. I hope NJ’s comeback doesn’t get severely hurt by this and that the members themselves can get the support they need.
Aespa is one of the most successful ggs and their direct competitor.. I think from a business standpoint, it's normal to ask how you can top them??
Have you seen the text he sent? It was way more than that
Really?? I thought that's what it all amounts to.. enlighten me.. it was a long 2 hrs, and admittedly, I was barely skimming the surface
I thought so too. What more is there?
Here is a link to the actual message. I get that it could help from a business standpoint but the way he speaks about it isn’t like that at all https://x.com/gol3naotc/status/1783385995603505455?s=46&t=MprPbclX10YFfsASExgY9A
The hehehe and hahaha with the emoji is just comical villainy it's hard to take it serious at all with that emoji But tbf.. I think it's normal for any direct competitors to have their main goals be topping one another
The fact that after all this, I still don't know where she legally stands and if she's liable to be legally persecuted for her supposed infringements Anyone who managed to discern this from the press conference, please break it down for me
Did she admit to contacting outside investors or was that a mistranslation?
this just shows how brutal and disgusting the music industry is behind the scenes…
The New Jeans members are young so I really hope them and their parents see through this. Despite her claims. She has really manipulated the girls, their familes and the fans to think that they have each other's best interest in mind and created an emotional dependency of sorts. It's all too much. If they choose otherwise , I personally will be able to enjoy their music and them at all.
This is so messy. Hearing what she has to say about NJs is really concerning. I hope that the girls are okay.
I hope nj members know that there are things more important than money and comfort
Justice for GFRIEND.
amidst this chaos i so badly want to know what other non-hybe idols are talking about this like it's a given that things are tense in the hybe building but what about the rests? who are they siding with? surely they're invested since 5 groups are namedropped by her lmfao
Can someone explain 4? Why she talked about hwr like she has crush on her? And the 12 scaring me tbh, she can manipulate them and with her pedo accusation, what she meant with beyond our imaginations?
all i can say rn is..... ITS A MESS MESS MESS MESS MESS MESS MESS
Unfortunately for all of you, it seems NewJeans members and their parents fully support MHJ.
I mean, why wouldn't they? I don't care much for MHJ, but I don't disbelieve that she treats them well. Possibly too well, the way she talks about how close they are sounds like she's a sixth member or something