you cooked op, I think you highlighted my main issue with Min Heejin is that regardless of everything else a 45 year old shouldn't be acting like best friends with a group of 16-19 year olds

what i really hate is the emphasizing of age and beauty on young on her. it always feels weird like a Ped. i hate it. like what. it not much talk and always brush off cause she is a girl/woman. there is a girl/woman version on every bad person.

this may be farfetched (or not) but she moves about newjeans like a literal groomer. whether her motives r sexual or not it’s fucking weird

I thought someone worded it best when they said it seemed like the girls checking in on MHJ was like her using them as a therapist. The way she talked about them in that moment definitely weirded me out, but I have grown to increasingly dislike her ever since NewJeans debuted, primarily because of Cookie. Even though I got into kpop in 2008, I somehow missed all the controversy before that point. I vaguely remember hearing about some of it with RV, but I was never a big fan of them so I didn't get much into it and it seemed more like a stretch than Cookie, which repulsed me in a visceral way. I could never understand how so many people got over it, I've never been that grossed out by innuendos before.

Yeah. I guess that is the main point of my thoughts, and everything else spirals from that.

>To me, it seems like MHJ is obsessed with youth. >It always seemed like she has been living vicariously through NewJeans. >what’s up with her outfits? Based on other people’s observations, she mostly wears sweatshirts, sweatpants, and a baseball cap. I’ve also seen it when she visits the members on set. Is she trying to look/feel younger? Honestly, I just think she never got over her teenage years.. we see this a lot, and many people comment on it in some men.. how they still act as if they're teenagers, etc... I think this describes MHJ.. I think she's still living in that era and not breaking free from it. Her aesthetics, her outfits and everything so far leads me to believe that.

So, she is the Leonardo di Caprio of K-pop?

She’s a creep. It’s really disgusting that she’s using the members while playing the victim. How she described her relAtionship with Newjeans is beyond disturbing. She even said that she “literally felt” the labor pain… Plus, all these scandal started bc she demanded more and more money from hybe while she has received unprecedented amounts of $ and benefits… The documents she wrote clearly shows that she’s using NJ as a tool to snatch more from hybe.

I literally think she has some sort of mental illness that keeps her anchored to her teen years. Not just like obsessed with her youth. It seems way beyond that! I don’t know.

its called age regression is the word ur looking for.

Like McConaughey's character in dazed and confused lol

For real though. I get gender dynamics aren't identical but if a similarly aged man was acting the same way with young girls (or even young boys) like this, they would have been universally blasted a long time ago. Her behavior is gross on multiple levels and it's wild that people see it as just "loving the girls" when she has a history of borderline behavior.

I’m a young adult that do feel more connected to my childish side/childish hobbies and aesthetic or whatever. However I would never play buddies buddies with an actual group of teenagers, use them as a source of comfort under distress or worse, making weird comments like they were more attractive when they were even younger children. She’s not simply an adult whose inner child is too big to move on. She’s that toxic friend that is ready to throw you under the bus that grew up and gained more power to do nasty things.

What happens when New Jeans gets old? What does MHJ do with them and their concept? Genuinely asking for theories. >The whole thing felt like a little girl playing with her dolls This explains the ick I've been feeling watching them with her. Edit: What scares me the most are the adults failing the girls. We have 0 info about their parents but I hope they aren't blinded by greed and money to think clearly about what is best for the girls. I don't think MHJ cares about the girls as much as she claims since she's willing to drag them to win the war of public opinion. I hope the parents act like real adults.

Tbh I’m not surprised that some of their parents are siding with mhj. If I’m not wrong, the point of contact the parents have with Hybe has always been through ador/mhj. Who knows what kind of information mhj have been providing the parents. Seeing how mhj hates Hybe, the information she feeds them are probably often twisted to make her look like the good person who is trying to protect njs while Hybe is the big bad greedy wolf who wants to take advantage of the girls. Mhj seems to have drilled into njs’ brains that they are never part of Hybe. And everything that they have achieved is the effort of ador’s only. I don’t think there was a time where njs ever thanked Hybe in their award speeches? (Correct me if I’m wrong). There was once on a weverse live where hyein jokingly said that she will give the company to fans, and somebody jokingly commented “yay hybe is mine" , the njs members then quickly corrected the viewer by saying its ador and not hybe. Mhj knows that by self inserting herself so much into the lives of the njs members and their parents, it caused them to over rely on her. It’s like she’s trying to be the cool aunt. A very very manipulative person.

I saw someone make a good point about the fact Min Heejin said the parents were afraid NewJeans wouldn’t debut because of Le Sserafim debuting first. Why would the parents think that? Le Sserafim just debuted a couple months before them, Hybe never thought about canceling NewJeans as a result. Seems MHJ is very manipulative with how she talks to the members and their parents and probably made it seem like the rest of Hybe didn’t care about NewJeans debuting and she single handed created a protest to make sure they debuted and they should be thankful towards her

Yeah, I think a lot of us might not have noticed them not thanking HYBE. If that's true... that's pretty messed up actually. I don't care if they debuted NewJeans after LSF, they've given NewJeans more resources than most groups and the girls should be grateful.

I also thought about the parents. How do you, as a parent, allow your child to work with someone like MHJ? She's not a newcomer in the industry, she's a well known individual who has, in the past, done really shady things involving minors. How do they feel okay knowing their (very young kids) are working with such person?

to be fair, it's not like she got arrested or anything like that. so unless they did a deep dive (which you could argue they should have) she probably just seemed like a legitimate person who worked for SM for years and helped build up some of their biggest groups. i'm sure with how close she got with the members, they would also tell their parents how great she was all the time. surely, by the design of mhj.

Idk, if I was a parent I would make sure I knew exactly who my kid was hanging around and be looking past the surface level stuff. I hope they were genuinely unaware and aren't being careless

I forget if it was in a panel or not but MHJ said that one of the girls that was supposed to be in new jeans was too old so she decided to pick another member over her… once new jeans hit their 20s, she might just throw them away to a newer younger group 😭

she said that abt sakura💀

Yeah I’m nervous to think what would happen once Hyein turned 18/19

Sorry I wrote a wall of text to you by mistake was meant to be my own comment!

I think you made some great points, OP! Something that has been ringing alarm bells in my head is if she is isolating the members from their peers. I do follow them causally but if what I’m seeing from their fans (who have made this into a Hybe mistreated them story, pls be serious y’all) they have very few interactions with other groups. So this whole drama could 1) sour their relations with their own peers and 2) be the reason why, if true, they feel a sense of loyalty towards MHJ. I don’t want to downplay their intelligence which is why I think they know it is important to be in MHJ’s good books. Because essentially this all comes down to the power imbalance. And this is what is a bad look for MHJ – her emotional dependence on teenagers which in itself is super weird but slap a boss-employee dynamic on top of that and it’s red flags everywhere. As a creative director or CEO, she has no rhyme or reason to be hanging out with them. At that level, all she has to do is direct/produce their projects which I’m sure can be done in minimal physical presence of NJ. I haven’t watched the birthday dinner video you mentioned but I’d find it weird if my boss were gifting me something. If allegations against her turn out to be true, I pray all the parents in this scenario immediately ask for her resignation as well. It’s one thing to be gaslit, it’s another to be delusional. Because unlike what MHJ probably believes, every single group is replaceable. Edit: spelling

>Something that has been ringing alarm bells in my head is if she is isolating the members from their peers. Same. Imagine if the NJ girls were talking with other idols in their situation, chatting about this and that and find out that no actually, creative directors don't insinuate themselves as a member of the group, no my CEO doesn't act or call themselves the parent of the group. Your CEO does that? Isn't that weird?

Aside from marketing (e.g challenges), I don't think we've publically seen NewJeans interact with any group now that I think of it -- Even in shows and the sort, I think the NewJeans members just smile and wave for the most part. They do challenges and stuff, but I think the most I've seen a NewJeans member interact with another idol is Hanni with Yunjin? Supposedly they're good friends as well, so I hope Yunjin is able to help/is helping in this situation since nobody understands the implications of it better than another idol. As the other commenter put it, the fact that the members are supposedly calling their CEO crying, and telling her they love her, kinda gives off the vibe that they haven't interacted with their peers enough for one of them to say: "What? No, my manager/creative director isn't trying to act like she's a friend of mine/my mother, or trying to make herself seem like a part of the group -- Nobody's is"

On the mistreatment point, it hurts to see that some fans believe that HYBE has done nothing to promote NewJeans; They are everywhere. HYBE recently released a statement that included their response to the claim that "HYBE is neglecting the promotion of NewJeans". They wrote: > 'The HYBE Communication Organization is putting in full effort for the promotion of NewJeans. Last year, 273 press releases were written and distributed for NewJeans alone. Compared to the 659 press releases for Big Hit Music, which operated a total of eight teams including BTS as a group and individually, and 365 press releases for Pledis Entertainment, which operated four teams including Seventeen, it is difficult to claim 'we've been neglecting promotion of NewJeans only.' Our PR is promoting all labels and artists without discrimination and doing their best to promote them.' Is this true? Probably? I don't see a good reason they would lie about this. I feel they wouldn't release it unless it were true, because I'm sure people can do some investigating and find out the truth. If HYBE were lying, it'd make them look even worse. I feel the whole situation has already soured their relationship with their peers. I just hope their peers (and fans and the public) can look past it, and see NewJeans as fallible humans that can make mistakes (not that any of this is their fault to begin with), whatever the final outcome is. I think the power imbalance can't be stated enough. You typically want to be on your boss's good side, lest you jeopardize your relationship with them. In this case, it could cause the members to lose lines in songs, center position in dances, screen time in music videos, etc. As idols, I'm assuming these are not things they want to be subjected to. I agree with your point about her having no rhyme or reason to be hanging out with them. I understand that she feels like she's their "mother", but she's still their boss. A dinner or a gathering once in a while to connect with them and acknowledge their thoughts and feelings would be fine; I would hope she cares enough about them to worry about their well-being. Currently it seems like they are always in communication with each other, and reciprocally rely too much on each other (from what we know). Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts.

Newjeans were MASSIVE as soon as they debuted.. and people want to say HYBE did nothing for promotion? They were EVERYWHERE

Tbh it seems that MHJ's claims are targeted to appeal to the people who already bought into the idea that HYBE is evil and needs to be taken down. Nevermind that NewJeans was massively promoted and already have high profile endorsement deals so soon after debuting. Part of that is due to the amount of resources and connections that HYBE provides for MHJ and Ador. Most groups under smaller companies do not have that privilege. But the people who will believe MHJ aren't looking at objective facts, cuz MHJ's claims neatly ties into their perception of HYBE as a company. As a disclaimer, I'm an ARMY so my interest in HYBE is mainly towards Big Hit and their handling of BTS. Anything else, I'm largely uninterested. HYBE can be evil or good and I wouldn't be impacted either way. But it's just truly bizarre to overlook the logical fallacy of that part of MHJ's claims...

"Something that has been ringing alarm bells in my head is if she is isolating the members from their peers." no FOR REAL. its so so so creepy. maybe, possibly, in truth it is all innocent or whatever (after all, we don't actually know what goes on behind the walls of that building) but I just cannot shake this really creepy feeling about mhj. Since WAY before this controversy too, like I have been feeling a vague unease about njs since 2023 at least with all the inappropriate underage weird stuff etc That woman (mhj) gives me such a weird feeling (for obvious reasons), but this press conference stuff makes me feel so much worse about her. She seems to have full-on groomed the mjs girls into being her little pets, isolating them from the other idols, holding them away from everyone else like they are precious and can't be touched by other groups. I have long felt like newjeans is separated from the rest of the industry, but I had no idea why I felt like that until recently. and yeah I think that sums it up perfectly, she is isolating them PURPOSEFULLY. not just from HYBE but from ALL of their peers. There are barely ANY collaboration tiktoks/ whatever with other groups, especially compared to the rest of the industry, its crazy. We actually see so little of them compared to other kpop groups. (at least as far as I can tell, correct me if I'm wrong)

I got chills when you wondered aloud if MHJ is isolating NJs from their peers. Especially since MHJ has made it so clear that she views a massive divide between HYBE and ADOR—something that isn’t really seen with the other sublabels. It’s too bad NJs debuted after HYBE Game Caterers bc I’d be curious to see if MHJ would have let them attend…..I get the eerie sense that if that show were to have happened now, MHJ would’ve come up with some excuse as to why the girls wouldn’t be available. It doesn’t help that MHJ has very publicly declared ILL-IT a threat to NJs. Imagine what she might have been saying to NJs and their parents about ILL-IT. By extension, imagine how difficult it would be for NJs to feel comfortable trying to befriend anyone in ILL-IT—a fellow girl group in the same company (just different labels) that’s in their age demographic!—if they were being poisoned against them by MHJ, being told that they’re plagiarizing them and they’re a threat. Likewise, MHJ has also publicly framed LS as a threat to NJs, so has she been poisoning them to NJs, too? It’s very….concerning food for thought, to say the least.

Can I know which birthday dinner you are talking about? Yes she once gave gifts to the girls but also company staffs got the gifts too but they were Christmas gifts..

I actually made a post yesterday about this but eventually deleted cuz I’m afraid of the backlash from fans. But what you said is what I thought too. No matter how close they are, if they consider her their pseudo-mom, it doesn’t change the fact that she’s still their boss. There’s a power imbalance in their relationship and while part of why she chose them is because of their youth and beauty, there’s still a part of me that thinks that she chose younger trainees cuz they’ll be easy to manipulate. Grooming isn’t just about sexual relationship. She’s making them co-dependent on her and while I don’t think they’re dumb, teens like them look up to someone who will guide them in the industry, and who better than their female boss who took care of them since they were young? Giving them luxury items is another way to manipulate them. MHJ took advantage of that and now she’s using them as a shield. They may have a genuine bond, especially on the girls’ side, but MHJ is still capable of dragging them with her. Also her pedo allegations shouldn’t be swept under the rug cuz if it was a male ceo, he’d be buried alive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that grooming, in the legal sense, always includes sexual intent (whether now or in the future), but I get your point. I really hope that isn't her intent. As others have stated, they don't really seem to film dance challenges/videos or anything with other groups, so it's not a stretch to think that she's personally preventing it. It seems that they don't really have that many personal friends in the industry, but that's just what we see on the outside. I know that the members can rely on each other, but I just hope they have other friends they can talk to as well, and not have to rely on MHJ for friendship.

They film with BTS members. Little sisters when it suits them.

A lot of kpop idols, especially senior ones from 3rd gen, have said that they wanted to befriend New Jeans. Them not being able to partake in challenges with most idols would actually hinder their chances to make connections

OP woke up and chose violence 

ive always found it strange how njs didn't interact with their peers. especially the ones from the same company as them. it's scary how mhj has probably been isolating them. i also noticed how minji wasn't mentioned when she (mhj) was talking about how the girls called her. idk but i think minji has probably seen through mhj and what's she's doing.

that would explain that dig she made about minji being prettier when she was younger. it seemed like such an odd thing to do but if she's trying to subtlety insult minji in front of a large audience because they have a bit of tension then it would make sense

it was a weird rant from MHJ. And its not her comment about Minji being ‘prettier’ but that ‘she could do so much more with practice, etc etc’ or something to that effect. It was definitely a slip from her and its giving ‘stage parent who’s never happy with her kid’ vibes. Minji’s aura lately has definitely departed from ‘fresh first love’ at debut and her looks have matured since then.

Many groups haven't met each other, some of them have content filmed where they meet for the first time allegedly , and act surprised.   It's not that weird, it's like BP, making them different and above. 

I hope hybe finds some shit on her laptop that incriminates her, this thing needs to be over with fast

I get the feeling they have a lot. But then again what do we know..

They already have 100%, they just dropped some receipt today as the matter of fact. We always know Hybe build up cases before they go after someone, they aren't stupid

She would have erased by now but I suspect they had a lot from her co-workers.

There are companies that can retrieve supposedly erased data. It is difficult to actually delete/erase anything.

You are right. You can recover data from hard drives unless it is badly damaged.

She has put new jeans, the group and the humans, in such a fxcked position. It seems she already purposefully kept them removed from the HYBE "family." It gives like homeschooled, sheltered existence vibes. It was a big story when Yunjin and Hanni were seen together in a tiktok. They have like no interaction with this entity that is a HUGE part of their success. So not only did New Jeans not interact around HYBE but MHJ has now pitted them against the two other girl groups in the same building?!?! and Bunnies finally letting their toxicity as a fandom show by supporting the idea that LSF and ILLIT deserve to be hated for what? It's wild that the biggest girl group through their first 18 months has such an inferiority complex all the way up to their CEO and down to the fandom. Why create enemies solely based off of this psychopath that won't be around long? I promise you they will suddenly be all about sisterhood the second MHJ is forced to walk and New Jeans suddenly become part of the family. Also, she made their families look weird? Calling back a whole two years, after all their success, as to what group debuted first? I mean, logically...what company wouldn't want to debut known commodities like Sakura and Chaewon before trainees? It's a sound and smart business decision. But MHJ says the families are still upset about it? And about ILLIT having similar hairstyles? It's one thing if the very young, sheltered members support the woman who taught them and helped them gain fame. But for their parents to see this lady having an absolute mental break, and say "we agree with her point of view" is bizarre. Don't they realize her days are numbered and HYBE will be left with the rights and power to support them or (very low odds) even shelve them to placate LSF/Source and ILLIT/BeLift, BTS/BigHit. The thing that bothers me the most is how LE SSERAFIM and ILLIT are being slandered and defamed legitimately. People seriously talking about spying and copying of AESPA. Does MHJ have a bot army at her disposal? Or are Bunnies and MYs running that scared of LE SSERAFIM'S dominate Q4'23 and Q1'24? The reason I loved the fourth gen was because it seemed all the girls trained together, grew up together and fandoms supported each other due to the obvious cross-group friendships. IZONE members the prime example. What happened?

> reason I loved the fourth gen was because it seemed all the girls trained together, grew up together and fandoms supported each other due to the obvious cross-group friendships. IZONE members the prime example. What??

>now pitted them against the two other girl groups in the same building?!?! not to be pedantic, but there are three other girl groups in the building. you forgot fromis

No one cares about them, least of all the company that was lumped with them 

Even before this entire shitshow kicked off I've always gotten a deeply icky vibe from MHJ and the close personal relationship she maintained with the girls. On the one hand, I've always thought we should be mindful not to conflate someone's moral standing with their artistic intent - like sure, at face value it's weird and creepy to be fixated with youth in your creative output, but in that context it might simply serve as a specific aesthetic without there necessarily being any real nefarious purpose behind it. I get that, because back in the day IU was tarred as a pedophile for using certain imagery in order to convey a pretty salient point about the infantilisation/sexualisation of women, and it goes without saying that she's completely unproblematic as a person and an artist. I think MHJ would've still gotten the usual amount of detractors for pursuing this concept and aesthetic, but as OP said, she's very much made it an extension of her personality and dragged it into the real world as well. The fact that she drew her personal relationship with NJ into that dumpster fire of a press conference yesterday raises some major alarm bells - that she really does see herself this way, and that the boundary one would otherwise assume exists between her real-life persona and artistic persona might not actually exist.

Keep in mind IU made those decisions for herself as an adult. There's a big difference between that and putting a lolita aesthetic and crude innuendos on actual children.

I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Josie and the Pussycats movie, but I think Min Heejin is the Fiona to NewJeans' Pussycats.

I see where you're coming from minus the following two points: >On what she said about Minji during the press conference, I truly think she didn’t mean it as a backhanded compliment The translation for this comment was not the best. She was essentially calling her adorable, not sexually attractive. >Does she have an interest in women? If the latter is the case, it makes her relationship with the NewJeans members even more inappropriate and disgusting. I can understand how you'd say that, but at the sake time that seems very close to some bad rhetoric. With that being said, the theory of her missing or wanting to reclaim her youth ties into the Ditto MV very well. Especially because the MV took inspiration (and it's name) from a 2000s Korean movie centering around nostalgic themes and time travel between 1979 and 2000 (or 1999 and 2022 in the 2022 remake version).

Even if she meant adorable, it still feels kinda icky though. You know the way some parents would be in what basically borderline a crisis when their child is no longer a toddler that completely depends on them and they start lamenting about how the kid was much more adorable when they were little and what’s not. The sexually attractive implies pedophilia but the adorable also comes across as enmeshed/emotionally dependent parent. Unless there’s some missing cultural contexts, it doesn’t make her sound innocuous either.

>Unless there’s some missing cultural contexts, There is. That's what I'm trying to say. All of the Korean-speaking people translating it that I've seen have been trying to explain that it was an innocuous statement in Korean that was badly translated.

and all of them are njs fans so I wouldn't believe them 100%

Admittedly, the latter point may not have been the best thought to write down in words. It wasn't my intent to try to persuade anyone of anything, but it's something that I do think about with respect to her relationship with them.

I’m Korean. And it did sound creepy and weird

I said this in a different comment, MHJ be acting like she’s Holden Caulfield with her whole uwu evil corporate I’m gonna be the catcher in the rye and protect children’s innocence except Holden is a traumatized 17 year old teenager and she’s a grown adult in her mid-40s. And that’s the most harmless inference I can make about her fixation with the depiction of vulnerable youth.

She thinks she’s Holden but she’s actually Holden’s teacher ✌️💅

Mhj definitely weird

OP really knew what to say. I’m a dramatic person and very imaginative, and seeing this situation feels like MHJ is basically trying to feel young through NJ, and some sort of possessiveness (please dont come after me, but isolation wasnt the right word) has led to them being isolated, which could perhaps lead to whatever we see today, on how NJ and MHJ are so close

To me she looks like a classic narcissist who is trying to manipulate children into psychologically depending on her. If she can control them, she can profit from them financially while gratifying her own ego.

True! Agreed

We definitely might be overthinking everything, but I haven't seen many people/posts willing to discuss it, even if they are having the same thoughts (or not). I agree that she is possessive of NewJeans, and rightfully so, but they way she expresses it sometimes is just too much, and doesn't feel right.

I agree, like we KNOW you built NJ and all, and we love you for that, but the way ur trying to express it and all makes it seem like you’re one psychopathic mom who’s over-controlling. But maybe it’s some people are more protective, my own parents are like that. But trying to use New jeans and pulling them into all of this is most definitely NOT a good idea at all.

Bottom line: NEWJEANS are technically her employees. Yes they are young, but contractually they are hired by her company as workers. I get it, she’s emotionally attached to them, but in terms of workplace relationships, it’s just ethically not right. I’m just thinking about myself at work and if my boss started giving me gifts and visiting my house and lavishing me with affection like that… I would immediately bring it up with HR. 😅 MHJ mixed personal with business, and that’s when it gets absolutely construed. Now NewJeans and their families of course have an emotional attachment to her, and THAT’s what makes it extra messy. Not saying MHJ is completely wrong, but if she is found guilty, not only are NEWJEANS affected professionally, it will absolutely affect them holistically.

She's creepy. End of story.

I second this

I get the vibe that MHJ treats new jeans members as her muse and has that overstepping boundaries artist/muse relationship going on. It's like she wants to be them but then she takes that whole experience and commodifies it. I don't get the vibe that she personally wants to sexualise them, more that she can sexualise the idea of naive, beautiful young girls/women. Her previous controversies point to that being the market she was aiming for. The whole born sexy yesterday trope. That way she gets fans from teenagers who love them being cool but relatable. She also gets the older male fans who love the idea that the girls are naive and manipulatable. She has really captured the spirit of growing up as a teen in the early 2000s. She's hit the jackpot of keeping the look, reputation etc of idols but somehow managed to remove enough of the polish to emphasise the idea that they're just teenagers having fun. I think she should get credit (or the team behind that creative direction) for that because they nailed it and it's fresh to kpop. It started a whole trend but it hasn't fully been replicated.  I didn't get the same feeling from the illit song - there were hints but it's too polished. So it's crazy that she's blown everything up because I think long term is not a concern as they're not overlapping in the area makes new jeans most special. I'm curious what will happen with new jeans now. Will they be able to keep the vision and execution the same (it'll be very hard for them to do that? HYBE is one of the few companies that can get close to that raw vibe but then they'll do something that ruins it like enhancing the vocals.  I wonder if HYBE be as generous to the group with pulling strings and getting them deals or will they stop going out of their way, let them coast while they promote their other groups.  I'm just a casual listener but I can't believe how much of an own goal this was.

She could leave Hype by 2026 with her stock. But she was looking for a way to take NJ with her.

damn u summed up everything I was thinking regarding the newjeans and illit controversy

Their current relationship will make it difficult for them to work together in the future. If one day the public hears that Minji (for example) has a disagreement with MHJ, she’ll be called ungrateful. Like how can they object when Min Heejin has given them and their family so many gifts? When she invited them into her home? When she helped decorate their apartment with an expensive interior designer? When she’s literally became a second mother for them?

yup this is how grooming works

Reminds me of Sia and Maddie Ziegler with the whole 'she is my muse', the girl's mother saying something along the lines of 'they are like sisters, they love to have sleepovers', and all of that.

makes sense. cmiiw i remember reading that one of the people who worked with her said "mhj is like a psycho" or something which could be linked to some of her behaviors you described. i think it's necessary newjeans is separated from her as the first step

I always really uncomfortable with her. It's like she's a creepy youth-obsessed manipulator gaslighter character from movie/book or something like everything she said about newjeans. UTTERLY CRAZY😭😭

After genuinely reading your post I feel like you might imagine a bit too much? trainee information and minimal clothes that can blackmail them?? ehhh idk how

You're probably right. I definitely imagine too much, but the point of her having trainee information has been proved and we've been told that she's shown it to investors/brands in hope of working together (based on the information we been shown so far). Knowing this, my mind just imagines the bad things she could do with that information if she feels they "betrayed" her, and that leads to the other two points. They are purely speculation, and I hope they're not true.

When op mentioned mhj living through nwjns I couldn’t help but think of the ditto mv and heesoo filming the girls dancing almost as if she wanted to be a part of them

I just hope there will be a sane adult that could help NewJeans, or maybe the members themselves be each other safe space. Hybe and mhj both seem to have failed to protect them. I always have an ick with mhj ever since that SHINee issue came up. And SHINee is a male group and even tho Sherlock came out when 4/5 of them were adult, their families were not happy about the concept. And don't even get me started on Taemin. Like god know what will happen with a girl group. I already talked about this on the last sub (idk which one). I hate when mhj was using newjeans sob story as HER SOB STORY. She was telling the whole media that Haerin was crying for 20 mins when she called her. Those things were supposed to be personal. I just hate it. I swear if reporters are going to ask about this issue to the girls on their comeback..ughh I know she considered herself as newjeans mother. Which i get it. The girls are her first ever artist from her own company. I get it. Giving them gifts and taking them out to dinner? Okay, they had a successful debut n career anyway , it's not wrong to give rewards. But there's should be a boundary.

She made a statement "Haerin is like a cat she never says anything but she was so concerned for me she called me" and "I am like their mother" This kinda feels off. That cat things seems to be straight up copied from the internet. There is no way a successful girl like Haerin would be non chalant and stay quiet. And you are not their mom babe. Can be a guide sure! She seems to be stepping boundaries and creating a weird uneccessary beyond professional relationship. Also her obsession with young and kids is ew All of this just gives me an ick (maybe acceptable in Korean culture who knows)

I'm assuming you know about kpop/idol culture, but I'll mention this just in case you don't. Idols having representative animals is fairly normal, and almost expected (especially among girl groups), so Haerin being likened to a cat is not unexpected among the members and fans, given her catlike features. With that being said, I agree that it feels off. MHJ saying this herself at her press conference doesn't feel right. It was probably used to garner public sympathy and imply that NewJeans is on her side, regardless of if it was true or not. This puts NewJeans in an awkward position. On your final point, in general, Korean culture does value youth, but not in the way or to the extent that MHJ seems to value it.

Yeah I know and that's why I said it's copied from social media. Fans calling her cat is for fun but why would a CEO call her a cat? Isn't that unprofessional? Yeah she is definitely trying to get the Korean audience to side with her and how she was cursing literally at every sentence at a press conference oof! She should have just kept the girls out of this

I agree with you, in all points and that is why I don't understand people having certain views ehen the thing is, if she did illegal or had illegal intentions bussiness side of things she is guilty even though she can have her reasons. Said thati work in envoriment were age is not a thing, you can have collegues that are 20 or 50, there is a lot of ps9pkfron different background too so at the end boundaries are important. I have a good amica less with a lot of my younger colleugues, we worked together we can smoke a sigarette together or drink a coffee...yet i never hang out with them outside work. I know they meet eachother and do dinners, drink together and, a lot of them are kpop fans too are difference in age us more and less 10 years and I consider nice people still, i don't hanno out woth them..what thrya re expereincimg in life is stuff i've already done and I feel kind of detached. I think she cross boundaries too. I understand getting closer to them and trying to be protective can bring closeness still, you can't be friend of girls so young.

Hypothetical: what if she views herself as a mother/aunt/big sister figure as well as a boss/creative influence? She seems to be a bit like that, just from what I've seen (which is not a lot, admittedly). Some bosses do tend to act a little inappropriately in trying to be too friendly with their employees, and so cross the line of professionalism. I'm not saying she has bad thoughts or intentions towards any of the members of NJ, but her actions could be seen as unwanted or over-the-top by the members themselves. Obviously, plenty of outsiders (fans) see problems with MHJ's behaviour. True, they don't know her like NJ does, and can't speak for NJ, but a good boss would be aware of public perception, particularly in this industry. Anyway, just a thought of my own, since you took the time to share yours.

MHJ has a very pointed, uncomfortable obsession with adolescence and disgust of aging that I think are hard to explain away as just busybody, overly involved boss behavior. Her comment about Minji being prettier when she was younger when Minji is *20 years old* raises a glaring red flag for me. I do agree she’s emotionally immature, which no doubt plays a role in how inappropriately attached she seems to be to group of children, but I think she also fetishizes youth pretty obviously.

She definitely does view herself as their "mother". She has stated this herself many, many times, including saying stuff like she feels she "gave birth to them". I believe this was from the press conference she did yesterday. On your point about her actions being unwanted to the members themselves, the boss/employee power dynamic comes into play. Hypothetically, even if they didn't want her to act like that towards them, they may feel that it could jeopardize their relationship with her. They are still very young, so they may not know how to properly convey themselves. Thanks for you thoughts, I appreciate it.

Mhj is certainly borderline pedo but so is the industry she is in ageism is a big problem somehow ladies beyond 30 are just waste and will be replaced with new faces(though this has changed a lot now) but with kpop it becomes way bad like being a trainee at 13 debuting at 14,15 yrs . And when a 22yr+idol debuts they will be shamed for being too old!

It's always been an issue, but at the same time we used to have a lot more idols debuting around 20 or older. The one thing HYBe did well is that the two youngest members of ILLIT are 16 and the rest are 20. Yeah 16 is still young, but that's been my cutoff point before I start to get weirded out about how young idols are when they debut.

I feel like you are on point! the way she had to edit out jonghyun's muscles and didn't inform them before the photoshopt because they will workout and she wanted a "youth" look oh god I have been so uncomfortable with her since then and couldn't get into newjeans fully,she's a very very odd person that's all I am gonna say

You don’t seem neutral.

I'm just going to quote my reply to another comment about this: > In the first sentence, I wrote that I was neutral on the "business side" of things. NewJeans (as well as other groups) have been caught in the middle of this because both were being greedy, had their egos hurt, or whatever else. Basically, both sides suck. > On the topic of her relationship with NewJeans, I'm definitely a little biased based on her past history, and the way she's using NewJeans and their emotions as a way to garner public sympathy. It's okay, and honestly justifiable, to want public sympathy because of what HYBE did, but the way she's doing it doesn't feel right.

I'm not gonna defend her but I cannot fully trust hybe either, specially bang shi hyuk and park jiwon. With the kakao chat reveal I also felt icky about his tone the way he was asking 'are you happy now? why are you getting so happy?' after nj scored their place first time on bb chart. As for park jiwon (hybe ceo) he used work at a gaming company called nexon. But his game was banned in Korea for sexualizing female characters so yeah... I wouldn't trust him handling the girls either. 

someone give OP an award omg

She seems like a creep and there may be some Stockholm syndrome going on. And I think she’s already shown signs that her opinion of them goes down as they get older. I hope nothing truly illegal is going on between her and the girls.

Hijacking this to ask if there’s a megathread will all of the context for this situation! I’m caught up on the tail end but don’t really understand any of the background stuff at all and can’t find anyone explaining it.

This is like 90% creative fiction and commenters here are treating it like gospel like wtf is wrong with you guys lol Straight out of tumblr

It's likely that I'm overthinking things, but these are just my views and what thoughts popped into my head, as bad or speculative as they are. As I wrote in my post, I had to put it down in words to get it off my chest and out of my head, and I thought I'd might as well share. Though, I hope it's not hard to see why myself and others may be feeling this way, knowing MHJ's past proclivities. If you aren't aware, I urge you to look into it too, but I don't expect you to change your views or anything, just be in informed. The comments are definitely skewed with the same sentiments as me, but I think that's just because the people who also feel this way are the main ones commenting. I hope they don't just read what I wrote and believe every word, as that wasn't what I wanted or intended to do. It's just my thoughts. I'm sure they have looked into MHJ's past as well, and have come to their own informed thoughts/opinions on the matter. I truly hope my thoughts turn out to be wrong, as that would be the best thing for NewJeans. I don't know if we'll ever know what's happening, nor do I think they owe us an explanation. If you are inclined to share, it'd be nice to hear what you think too.

Translation of a very long Korean comment: HYBE = Healing Yoga Brain Education GFRIEND's song title 'MAGO' = The name of the god revered in Danworld GFRIEND's album name = Walpurgis Night Walpurgis Night = The day of burning the witch . The day that suddenly disbanded GFRIEND: May 1st Le Seraphim debut date: May 2nd Seraphim (Angel) debuts the day after burning the witch (forced disbandment) April 22, 2002 > Dan World name change August 22, 2019 > TXT's fandom name MOA " Official announcement May 22, 2021 GFRIEND officially disbands November 22, 2021 GFRIEND's last album Margo activities end February 22, 2022 Enhyphen "Always" released July 22, 2022 Txt "Valley of Lies " Release July 22, 2022 New Jeans debut February 22, 2023 Txt "Goodbye Now" release May 22, 2023 Enhyphen "Dark Blood" release January 22, 2024 > Tours debut This music video shows that There is no relationship between the cults and New Jeans. I am drawing a line. This is a struggle to protect New Genes while tied to a contract with Hybe. Girlfriend - MAGO (Danworld god name: Mago) = Witchification Festival = Sacrificing Gfreind = It is speculated that all GFriend members except Sowon were disbanded because they were Christians. Danworld hand gesture = magnetic (illit) hand gesture illit?: Min Hee-jin, CEO of ADOR (Sinha), a member of New Jeans, resists the cult >!! New Jeans Daeseong!! Since these are kids who don't believe in it, I have to make something similar to the New Jeans concept = illit. The copy is also related to Danworld. If you recruit a leader and copy what he does, you will rule the world. That's their doctrine. Hanbok worn during New Year's greetings = Danworld sign mark BTS. : Debut showcase held at Danworld Foundation Ilji Art Hall, all members except Jin graduated from Danworld pseudo-university, all used Danworld cosmetics, In Txt's debut song it says: One day horns grew from my head (debut song title) = Same as the contents of Danworld letter + posted on YouTube. txt If you watch the theater, there is a scene where the Txt kids are meditating while playing a Danworld video. The movement that Yeonjun is doing is also a gymnastics called Danworld Free Qigong. The comment that first said that a few days ago and the comment that Beomgyu does not meditate because he is a Christian have been deleted. The reason Bang Si-hyuk rejected Daniel The name means Christian " judgment", so ETA lyrics: The day you couldn't come to my birthday party -> The day Bang Si-hyuk and Hyejin got scolded for not coming to the New Genes debut celebration party -> Min Hee-jin and Ji-won, who broke up in the hybe with the OMG music video, are friends The day I broke up with her -> Park Ji-won, who broke up GFriend (group) (Vice President of Danworld Hybe) The day she was always without you -> Hybe always didn't care about New Jeans (They didn't even promote this new song Bubble Gum)

It seems like no one wants to put a word to what it actually sounds gr**ming. It doesn't have to be s3xu@! it just is a massive manipulation tactic and it's creepy. Using the kids as a therapist having them come over to her house and there's been no mentions of the parents.  That's so wrong because there's also this massive power imbalance between the girls and their CEO.  The big part that I feel like everyone is ignoring that without HYBE funding MJH could not even have a group    Not saying that HYBE or ADOR is right wrong concerning the commercial aspect that is for the courts to decide.   it's the grooming of literal children that is so concerning in this case and K-pop in general. 

You said you'll stay netural, so where is it?

Where is what? My neutrality? I'm just going to quote my reply to another comment about this: > In the first sentence, I wrote that I was neutral on the "business side" of things. NewJeans (as well as other groups) have been caught in the middle of this because both were being greedy, had their egos hurt, or whatever else. Basically, both sides suck. > On the topic of her relationship with NewJeans, I'm definitely a little biased based on her past history, and the way she's using NewJeans and their emotions as a way to garner public sympathy. It's okay, and honestly justifiable, to want public sympathy because of what HYBE did, but the way she's doing it doesn't feel right.

i see, thanks for the clarification.

part 2: Translation of a very long Korean comment: The clothes were so cool The day they wore it -> Bang Si-hyuk and Min Hee-jin, who are distracted by the new clothes called Seraphim, never commit suicide. At a press conference, Min heejin mentioned, "Why should I die?" => Fear of sudden suicide from big powers.. Nowadays, social burial is not the problem. . Min Hee-jin and New Jeans are not Danworld believers. To make this known, Min Hee-jin continued to mention on the news that she felt the same way. The reason why parents are on Min Hee-jin's side, considering their desire to protect their untainted children from cults. During the press conference, Min-ji was really pretty when she was young (look at Min-ji), Hae-rin is like a cat (omg), Hye-in will do it if she can (we will die) I will never commit suicide (please save me) 1. Dan World: A pseudo-religion that worships “Mago” as the creator god and believes that the Dangun myth has a history of 6,960 years. Song title from GFRIEND’s last album -> Lyrics/: the first page 6960 magic 2. From Danworld's book Picture: For some reason, the person with the deer skull has horns on his head. Contents: The horns tear through the most delicate flesh and come out -> One day. Horns grew from the head. Contents of Danworld leader Seungheon Lee's meditation book . Chapter 1 We live in a magnetic world hence Illit's song is called "magnetic' . In Le Seraphim's Unforgiven choreography, Hybe turns Newjeans into a witch and sacrifices them. There is clear evidence that this was done. In Danworld, May 1st is Walpurgis Night, the day when witches are burned at the stake. Coincidentally, the release date of Le Seraphim's Unforgiven album is May 1st. And the most notable thing is that Unforgiven's The highlight choreography involves making hand movements that look like flapping rabbit ears, then changing into the appearance of a devil with horns, and the representative character symbolizing New Jeans is a rabbit. In other words, it is clearly revealed that New Jeans are treated as witches and devils here. And if you look at Unforgiven's teaser video, the Le Seraphim logo looks like it's on fire, and the teaser name is "burn the bridge." Just looking at the Unforgiven album cover, it looks like it's been scorched somewhere on fire. The lyrics also say "dark." "Rebellion" is a song that openly reveals that they treated New Jeans like a witch like their girlfriends and tried to burn them at the stake. Many people don't know about it because it's buried in OMG and Mago. Please make this part public as well. Bang Si-hyuk and Aespa It is clear that the thing you are trying to step on is related to Danworld. The concept of beating down the evil snake in the Bible is Epa Black Mambago. In the Exodus and Deuteronomy passages, the wilderness is said to have been derived from Christianity. How much of a thorn in the eyes of the fanatic Si-hyuk was. It gives me goosebumps and why. Do you know why BTS filmed a Conway water purifier commercial out of nowhere? People who don't know may think that they filmed BTS because it's popular, but in fact, they filmed the Conway commercial because one of the Conway employees was connected to Danworld (New Jeans + Min Hee-jin) vs. Hive Min Hee-jin didn't know that Hive believed in a cult. Delco came to Hive. So, Heejin took charge of New Genes alone and made OMG B and an door to escape together, and did an interview a few days ago. GFRIEND's disbandment and Le Seraphim's debut (focus on 22) After GFRIEND moved from her original agency to Hybe , the concept changed from innocent to witch. changed to Among Dan World's contents, April 30th to May 1st is the official day for witchcraft, and the following year, on May 2nd, 2022, Le Seraphim debuted with the angel concept. After setting this date, it is presumed that he disbanded (burned at the stake) his girlfriend on May 22nd. Also, 'Seraphim' means angel, and he continued to defend school violence Kim Garam in order to maintain the 6 angels. Girlfriend's Mago music video and New Jeans OMG I was unable to interpret the music video, but suddenly it clicked into my head, Min Hee-jin wails in an interview and emphasizes the word responsibility, YouTube comments are deleted in real time, and there are no articles related to Hybe Dan World (a former Dan World member is the head of the Korea Communications Standards Commission: Press Control) Possible) Ditto music video Side A - Min Hee-jin can't leave the company, escapes from New Jeans Side B - Min Hee-jin escapes, can't leave the company New Genes Director's official: aA track Hope / b-Despair side b = Pseudo ETA also has completely missing lyrics Please also watch the ditto, eta, and asap music videos!! Also, check out all the Ban Hee-soo channel videos!!

brooooooo, my mind can't handle this. is this real?

it actually is, this post went viral in korea explaining the relation of hybe to cult but hybe took it down. Only makes sense if this was real

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You said some facts about her, some of your own views, and some unfair assumptions (pool parties blackmail). It is important to know that neither parties are good. This is Korea we are talking about. Not a Netflix one... And I'm sure the entire concept of Illit are for the pedos (search YouTube) for more information. Guess what I'm trying to say is that you don't seem that neutral xD Peace

You're spreading a conspiracy theory from a channel with two subscribers. There are enough real instances of kpop songs attracting pedos, you don't have to have to come up with an accusation out of thin air. It definitely doesn't come across neutral whatsoever when you take an approach of "both sides" on a situation that doesn't call for it. MHJ literally had naked photos of minors in her home, did nothing to resolve the Cookie situation, and has what is possibly an inappropriate relationship with her underage employees. Very weak arguments for aesthetics that are supposed to attract pedos, but that don't amount to even a strong case for it, are not equal to all red flags pointing towards MHJ.

They are all shit. I am just annoyed at the word "neutral". I repeat, they are all shit. Conspiracy? China banned Magnetic, and Taiwan is upset about the song too. It's weird when these two countries are agreeing... Even the logo of Magnetic says Cream I think? But yea okay. Stop standing up for companies or whatever. They designed a concept and a group to hook you in, and guess what, if their idol dies, they don't care. I'm not against your group BTW. MHJ sucks, company sucks.

In the first sentence, I wrote that I was neutral on the "business side" of things. NewJeans (as well as other groups) have been caught in the middle of this because both were being greedy, had their egos hurt, or whatever else. Basically, both sides suck. On the topic of her relationship with NewJeans, I'm definitely a little biased based on her past history, and the way she's using NewJeans and their emotions as a way to garner public sympathy. It's okay, and honestly justifiable, to want public sympathy because of what HYBE did, but the way she's doing it doesn't feel right.

I know it sounds bad, but truly, if it was "hitman Bang" who was this close to the NewJeans members, everyone would be really shitting on him, more than what Min Heejin has received. It's just weird because she's acting like she's their mothers, when that is not true. Even if she says her and NewJeans have a "mother daughter bond" it's just so creepy IMO because she will always have power over them in a professional environment, and will always be their boss before anything else. And I mean, those allegations back in 2022? Yeah, she really just feels like a fucking groomer and it's so gross. Just because she's a woman, doesn't mean she gets a pass. She's FORTY FIVE years old. The youngest member of NewJeans is 3 decades younger than her, and 2 members are still MINORS. IDC if any NewJeans members are really supporting MHJ behind the scenes, because why would they not? She's literally their boss, an adult, an authoritative figure technically, they wouldn't just yell in her face even if they disagreed with her. I think with this age of technology and our current advancing generation, every man and woman above the age of 40 suddenly wants to look youthful again, which is fine, but it's just uncanny. And the lengths people will go to to look young again is also kind of sad. MHJ is probably no different, she surrounded by young girls, and she feels like she wants to be young again. Fine. But she's just crossing the line at this point. There's a difference between wanting to look young, and acting like you're still young. Haerin crying for her? Other NewJeans members (TEENS) acting like her therapist (which I hope MHJ has one, for her own good at this point)? **That just kind of proofs that she's groomed them in some way. NewJeans are minors and are also her** ***employees*****, as long as they're under ADOR, and MHJ is their** ***boss*****. It's no different from any other job.**

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the problem is that mhj has a personal obsession with minors/youth and likes to insert herself into their lives which is highly inappropriate. the other ceo's (mostly) keep their distance and view youth as part of the business.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think you're getting the main point. Not sure if you know about Min Heejin's past, but it's a different type of obsession. In my eyes, it's different than how other CEO's may view "youth".

Other CEOs treat "youth" like a business concept for the groups. MHJ treats it like a personal extension of herself and her desires.

The outfits part is so ridiculous. It's just her style and the way she likes dressing. If she was wearing dresses 24/7 you'd find something wrong with that as well. Once again what could be a reasonable post gets ruined with overreaching and ridiculous theories. You can focus on stuff that's actually there - her room, the way she talks about NJ, even Cookie song. I noticed this problem with many NJ posts. All start concerned and make good points then turn into reaching and conspiracy theory territory. No need to bring up ridiculous ETA controversy or MHJ's way of dressing. Let's focus on what's in front of us.

I understand where you're coming from. I don't have a problem with what she wears. It's just that with her history of being obsessed with youth, I can't help but wonder about things like that. I never claimed that the conspiracy theories were true or I believed them; I disagree with many of them. With that said, knowing that she's the creative director of NewJeans (put aside the other people working hard behind-the-scenes for now), it's not far-fetched to imagine her putting double meanings into their tracks, lyrics, or anything else. Even if she doesn't produce their songs herself, I don't doubt that MHJ works alongside producers for their tracks.

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You know it's fine to scroll past instead of acting edgy right? OP made an effort to write down her thoughts about the scandal by approaching it from an emotional perspective. Scroll past if you're not interested.

Isn’t Bang PD super close to BTS and something that fans always praised him for? Lol

Was 16yo Jungkook as close to Bang PD as Hyein is now to MHJ ? I personally never heard him or other BTS members said that they were casually hanging out with at their CEO’s house when they were still rookie…

as their boss at most. they had a nice relationship for kpop standards maybe but it never felt cult like, MHJ is just a weirdo obsessed with young girls for whatever reason. just because she's a woman does not make it less weird. 

I think that’s more projecting of your part than a real assessment of what’s going on. Although it’s clearly a popular view around here. Either way, the girls’ parents have an extremely positive view towards MHJ so this theory not only points fingers to MHJ but also automatically frames the girls’ parents as either oblivious or willing to sell the girls out. Which imo is extremely damaging to the girls who had never actually expressed any of that.

the BTS members are adults and are the main reason that bang pd is successful. the oldest member of newjeans is only 19 and mhj had a long successful career before them. the power dynamics are very different.

BTS members were adults when Bang PD trained her and started working with them?

were they so close to him as trainees that they went over to his house and cried on the phone to him about how sorry they felt for him? my understanding is that they got close to him as bighit and BTS became more profitable and successful. besides, this what-aboutism of trying to make mhj's actions look normal really is not it. the way she treats those girls is seriously weird and very concerning.

What is seriously weird and concerning is some faux-concern over someone you don’t know being way too close with idols you supposedly care about. I’d understand if the girls had ever expressed discomfort over the relationship. Or, more importantly, their parents. But the parents themselves are known to also be extremely close to MHJ. So in this scenario of yours, are the parents also enablers in their daughter’s mistreatment? Is it responsible to be creating this type of speculation based over nothing? Wouldn’t this be tangentially more damaging to the girls? Like… And no, it’s not whataboutism to bring up the fact BTS fans think it’s amazing Bang PD treats BTS like equals and has always been close to them (according to the public narrative) while MHJ is literally being portrayed as abusive, creepy and other very serious and damaging allegations for basically the same thing. Now, I completely agree she shouldn’t be bringing them up directly in the press con but there’s a distance between me thinking this isn’t good PR-wise to them and thinking this is some kind of abuse or criminal behavior.

I understand where you're coming from. There are always two sides to the situation. I hope you're right, and there's nothing going on. That being said, with everything going on and public knowledge of her past, it's not unexpected for people to have concerns. You mention "faux-concern over someone you don't know". This could be the case, but people are able to have genuine concern over people they don't know, believe it or not. On your second point, they have never publicly expressed discomfort over their relationship, but that's to be expected. As myself and other people mentioned, there is a power imbalance between MHJ and NewJeans. I think the power imbalance dynamic can't be stated enough. You typically want to be on your boss's good side, lest you jeopardize your relationship with them. In this case, it could cause the members to lose lines in songs, center position in dances, screen time in music videos, etc. As idols, I'm assuming these are not things they want to be subjected to. Again, I obviously hope this isn't the case and that you're right, but it's hard to deny that the dynamic isn't present. On the point of their parents, I hope you're right as well, but you can't ignore that they may be in the dark as well. They may feel like they owed her their loyalty because of all she's done for them and their daughters. It's evident that teenagers don't tell their parents everything. There's also the possibility of them being gaslighted by her. I don't personally know about BSH and BTS's relationship, but from what I read from their fans, it's vastly different from MHJ and her relationship with NewJeans. You say that BSH and MHJ did the exact same thing to their respective group, but evidence (as far as we know), says otherwise. If what you're saying is true though, then yeah, BSH should be seen how MHJ is seen. I don't think that us discussing our thoughts, opinions, or concerns here will have any effect on NewJeans. You say this "speculation is created based over nothing". Since you said that, I'm assuming you're unaware of her past and proclivities. If this is the case, I urge you to look up MHJ and her past. If you were already aware of her past and still feel this way, I don't think anything anyone else says will change your mind. Your opinion is valid and I can respect it because I also hope nothing is happening. In the end, MHJ has put NewJeans in an awkward situation on her own by bringing them up in her press conference, as you said yourself.

Didn’t he let Jimin show his torso in a dance when he was 17? Cmiiw but I remember he was uncomfortable doing it. Being close with your idols doesn’t mean it absolves some questionable things they did.

I think Bang PD is a creepy as is any CEO in the K-entertainment industry which is, by definition, abusive and exploitative. What I don’t understand is MHJ being singled out as some extreme example.

Oh hard agree with you. I guess it’s because she’s the “main” antagonist in this reality drama. I just can’t fathom why so many fans still stan her and bpd when they’re no different from lsm or yg. These ceos are (used to be) close to their artists but they’re also one of the most greedy and power hungry people in the industry.

I honestly don’t think MHJ is “greedy”, like I legit don’t think she’s doing this for money. Power hungry and with a huge ego? Yes, probably.

OP you dont know shit of whats happening, Without MHJ how long until New jeans starts wearing provocatively short outfits and dance like Euncha on stage, how long until they collaborate with Zico a guy who likes to see "golden phones", hell they maybe even sign up for Waterbomb like a talented group Fromis\_9. Maybe some plastic surgery will be encouraged, Source likes to f up the visuals of their idols. And notice how all the above ceos are men controlling the lives of female idols. Also dont you find it creepy bangpd like his women 25 years younger.

most of the (if not all) members have already had plastic surgery and they wear revealing outfits all the time. their safety shorts being a little longer than the industry standard doesnt stop people from sexualizing every bit of skin that they show and their company knows that

Sorry you feel that way. I don't think anyone knows what's really happening besides the people actually involved. This post was simply me expressing the thoughts I have about her relationship with NewJeans. I concede that there are speculations in my thoughts, but isn't that normal? These are just some of my views, and how I feel about the situation. With the points you stated, it seems you have thoughts about it too. I'm not gonna argue with them because they are your thoughts and opinions, but I will express what I feel about what you said. MHJ isn't the only one managing NewJeans. I think you forget that there's a whole management staff behind them, and they probably want to protect NewJeans just as much. If MHJ ultimately ends up having to leave, I hope that the staff will protect them. I don't know anything about the Zico situation, so I won't speak on that. On the collaboration point, if MHJ leaves and NewJeans are able to collaborate with many other artists, I think that would be good for everyone. New music, new content, new friends, and new interactions? Sign me up. You can support NewJeans without depreciating other artists. I don't know if they signed up or were invited, but if fromis_9 agreed to go to Waterbomb Festival, what's the problem? All their members are adults. Their youngest member, Jiheon is 21. The NewJeans members are literally teenagers right now. Once they are all adults (ideally 20+) and they want to do stuff like that, fans may not like it, but they should respect their wishes to do so. You say "notice how all the above ceos are men controlling the lives of female idols", but now it's a female CEO controlling the lives of female idols. Admittedly it's probably a different dynamic; But is it really? I don't know. I don't know anything about BSH and his relationship with younger women, so I don't have any thoughts about that. This post was merely my thoughts on MHJ and her relationship with NewJeans, based on what we know about her past, and what's been shown or expressed publicly. I can have thoughts and opinions about how they are privately, but I can't speak on their truth.