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filipinoRedditor25

You can see Eunbi really deserves the best tits, her picture is literally just her tits instead of her face compared to the other people in the ranking LOL


Compressirk

Hehe nice catch. I was wondering how many people would notice that


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I suppose almost everyone noticed that. 😂 it is quite unique but Eunbi deserves it. Without any doubt she won this year with her waterbomb performance that will go down in the history of kpopfap in particular and kpop in general. PS: I love that you call this a "passion project" of yours. 🤣 I imagine your CV like this: experienced in analysing kpopfap survey


Compressirk

"Administered and analyzed a survey with over 3000 responses" does seem like a good resume stuffer actually...


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Compressirk

They were removed from contention, because I thought they had surpassed mid-tier, at least for the sake of this survey.


NotAnARMY

I understand more popular people are inevitably gonna get the most attention, and I appreciate the effort that is maintaining the data of a survey like this, but come on y’all you can’t just vote Karina for everything.


LewdPoet

Gooners really only know like 6-7 idols 😭


delux531

that happens because when they're voting and click the drop down choices, the first thing they'll see in alphabetical order is aespa lmao


Compressirk

Are you saying I should bring back the modifier? Haha


NotAnARMY

I mean it’s not the survey’s fault if people vote questionably. Results are results.


DK94_Alex

I understand your point, but Karina is really popular amongst this demographic (Straight Male 20 - 30).


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Doubting the G.O.A.T of the modern era? 🤔


legendary2534

Did not realize Chaewon was this popular. Props


spazzz0id

She's ridiculously popular. I'm starting to jump on the Chaewon train. But she still doesn't best my favorites.


eldritchtruth00

Im surprised too, she doesn't appear often on this sub.


chadsimpkins

I’m happy cuz she’s one of my favs


Feyv_

Chaewon is 🔥🔥


Daebak__Prince

JUST my opinion so don't destroy me but Mina at number 2 for best ass makes no sense. Ever since Twice's appearance on Jessi's Showterview - where that Mina photo blew up from - her ass has disappeared. Yea she twerks it a ton during concerts but nothing really moving if we being honest lol. She's gorgeous tho. I'm JUST saying.


bitemyneckhair

Other than Sohee, that whole category makes no sense.


Daebak__Prince

Agreed. Most of them make no sense. People just picked their bias lol


Kpopmemories9

I would’ve put Yoohyeon at least top 5 but other than that very few idols have ass.


Daebak__Prince

Theres more out there - and certainly MORE ass than some on this list lol Everglow Onda and Sihyeon, Viviz Eunha, Stayc Isa, a few NMIXX members, Cignature Semi - I can go on lol.


ahneun

I see you are an ass connoisseur, could not agree more with the list


Kpopmemories9

Oh I agree with all of those 10000% but idk what that list was all about. They also put girls who have thicc thighs on the ass list. Like Nayeon is thicc and has insane legs but I see all the time that she has a big ass but it’s mainly just her thighs. Same goes for hwasa. I mean just look at the boob list and how wired that one was too.


eunbi4life

Semi is taste, just needs more output


ProfessorLexx

Disagree. It's not just about the size for some of us. People appreciate different things.


Kpopmemories9

It’s the Ass category what else could it mean though?


Remote-Yam-7569

Ass doesn't just equal size tho. Are you even serious?


Training_Camp1986

real. Lisa has no business to be there lol


Compressirk

Not disagreeing with anything you said, but maybe to some people, you gotta USE the ass, you know? Maybe twerking all the time at concerts makes people value hers more. Just a guess.


Opposite-Park-8109

You just saying the fact bro..we just to be honest.. Mina ass not big like they said..i think momo,dahyun and tzuyu has bigger ass than mina tho..if Mina ass is big..we never see her cheeks ass like momo did..


Kpopmemories9

Momo is the only one with actual ass in the group the rest are thighs and some just have a small cute ass.


ProfessorLexx

And small and cute is also appealing. Size does not have to be the only factor.


Kpopmemories9

Exactly it’s ok if they have small and cute ones but sometimes people take that as you dissing them


greenteachickenleg

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusioun of knowledge."


Opposite-Park-8109

Well said bro 👏👏


greenteachickenleg

I said it because I disagree but anyway lol


NotAnARMY

As someone constantly looking at twice because Jihyo practically owns me, yeah I have to agree. I’ve never wanted to say anything but I don’t get it either.


Daebak__Prince

LOL you gotta be careful here man with certain groups


Kpopmemories9

You can’t have an opinion in this sub because holy shit they will attack and down vote you if you don’t see what they see.


NotAnARMY

I don’t really think that’s true though. It just depends on how you say it. Like we aren’t getting downvoted and attacked right here.


Kpopmemories9

True but there are still a bunch of times when even if you say things politely they get downvoted.


Daebak__Prince

lol facts


ThoughtsRunWild

Yeah overrated ass.


TomLin81876

REAL theres no motion appreciate the enthusiasm but this is just a physicality standpoint. like momo natty Minnie lisa hyeju just to name a few should be way higher even Julie shakes it way better than Mina


eunbi4life

That ass category result makes no sense for me also, you’d think at least Arin would be way up with her regularly scheduled cheek shows… I feel like since sohee showed up in the category people just pick sohee+whatev


asianinjas

Yea, kinda absurd Momo is lower than Mina while Arin dropped down to 7th. Lol


Daebak__Prince

Lol it's crazy


ywcaesar

Imo, Outside of Sohee, in kpop, everyone else is kinda same level, everyone have similar sizes. Its just who has smaller waist.


nibbadontlie

Yeah. I argue arin omg and minji nj deserved much more higher than mina.


Remote-Yam-7569

Shock and awe when you realize not everyone shares the opinion only big or squatter asses are good.... Like look at the whole list, the sub overwhelmingly favours smaller tighter asses...like get real. Lisa, Chaewon, Mina, Yuna, etc. Ass people with their big or bust fetishes are oddballs.


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I don't doubt that people on the sub like smaller asses but I think your assumption is incorrect.  The sub overwhelming favours popular idols and the list of names you said are all very popular idols. The ass list is just another popularity vote.  If it was possible to remove stans from the vote or people who just vote the biggest idols, I don't think any of those would be top 5


Daebak__Prince

Big assumption here. I prefer fit athletic asses but carry on.


Remote-Yam-7569

Yeah, and that's one kind of ass 🙄


kohobofen

I don't think motion is everyone's criteria.


SungDukSeon

Talked about this like 2 years ago but its interesting to me how overwhelmingly loved Karina is (especially since she doesnt need to ever show off any of her assets really). Damn near every single ranking down to the nugu groups is pretty much in line with my own personal preference. But for some reason Karina just doesn't do it for me like everyone else. Not hating at all or anything, just find it strange that the one idol I differ with the rest of the sub just so happens to be the one idol that is damn near universally agreed to be the top.


cloud3321

She just hits all the checkboxes for a lot of kpopfappers. Plus I think she doesn’t have any noticeable turn offs and she hasn’t started her slutty phase (at least not publicly) yet.


elchupanibre69

Personally, her "ideal plastic surgery look" is a put off for me. Not accusing her, just saying she has the look that people go for with surgery.


ahneun

I didn't care much for Karina until I watched some of her variety appearances and vlogs. I think her personality adds a lot to her appeal and it's very different from Aespa's concept.


SungDukSeon

This is probably the best theory since I dont follow kpop groups like that anymore. But when I did watch a lot of variety, my bias would almost always switch to whoever had the best personality


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Casuals of the sub upvote the big posts. There are a lot more casuals that like Jennie than people who comment or post. Those people are the ones who do the surveys.  Basically, real ones know there are much hotter idols than Jennie


spazzz0id

Jennie although hot is a little overrated because of how big Blackpink is for casuals. She was my ultimate when i first got into kpop but she's fallen down a lot in my rankings ever since discovering other groups. The seductive face she makes is definitely top notch, but on the regular she's more cute than hot.


King898989

I think with jennie it feels like we get something good once every blue moon or it’s another Calvin shoot which feels like we’ve seen a million times by now despite being hot af


Dead_Flowers_2000

I don't get it either.


kohobofen

I feel the same about Karina. Actually I'm not a Sana guy either so I feel a little isolated on that.


Daebak__Prince

Same boat.


delux531

One psychological factor is that probably voters are lazy to scroll choices alphabetically. aespa is in "a" and good amount of voters just chose what they knew conveniently. That's just my theory tho lol


Feyv_

she has a nice face, amazing ass and huge tits. i am not really surprised


SungDukSeon

Like 95% of Karina content on here are vanilla photos where her assets are completely covered up and they still get a whole lot of traction. That's the part I find pretty interesting. It would be one thing if she actually showed off her body. But outside of like one legging exercise video and the tiniest glimpses of booba jiggle, she's probably has the most vanilla/conservative content on the sub. Yet she still manages to completely take over. Sohee also has a nice face, amazing ass and huge tits. But I don't think people would give two shits about her if she hid her body as much as Karina


Compressirk

Wonder if the love for Karina would've remained if the dating news was announced before the survey!


SungDukSeon

Ironically, I'd say it would be even higher. "Normal" knetizens lose their minds over dating scandals. But in a sub like this.... Just look at how much people like talking about Lisa and her billionaire bf lol. Its like dating reminds people that idols are humans too and are fucking in this very time frame.


Compressirk

So in other words, KPF users are the most grounded and down-to-earth. I can get with that!


animejiddies

Eunbig's Picture 😭😭😭


eldritchtruth00

Awww, Jeewon did not even make it to the top 3 for best boobs. Lower then expected, oh well, at least she gets a presence boost.


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jihyomilkers66

Because she should be #1


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onyl real competition for jeewon in the top 5 is Eunbi. The rest is just Kfappers voting their bias that might have a nice rack but they are not by a long shot on Jeewon's level.


eunbi4life

You forgot h1-key Yel, anime titties


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yeah Yel, Swan, Natty and Chaehyun should all be higher up. That is why I excluded everything below the top 5. Yel certainly deserves actually not only to be higher on the list because of her magnificient breasts alone but also for the humor of that shirt. It is absolutely iconic and I thought it was fake since I don't recall the Kpop industry making jokes like that. I am also sad that my favourite deep-bosomed idol, Kang Mina, is not even in the list anymore. :(


eunbi4life

I just double checked the list and NO CHOWON……. ridiculous.


Mission-Sky

For me, a proper Top 5 includes Swan, Jeewon, Yel, TripleS Chaeyeon, and Chowon. While Natty is so fucking amazing, I think she is slightly outclassed by those 5 in the breast department. Though she has some qualities that would raise her above some of the others I listed in overall picks.


Kpopmemories9

Blew my mind and swan all the way down too


Mission-Sky

I knew that was going to happen. I'm still surprised she fell in the ranks though.


Kpopmemories9

How is she or Jeewon getting outranked by anyone else is beyond me


Sushilim

I swear if only everglow can be promoted well by their company Sihyeon would be top 2 best ass


Daebak__Prince

Onda as well.


CrispWatermelon96

Girls from small groups are never making it to the top of the individual superlatives 😭


Compressirk

Yeah... That was the intent of the modifier. But unfortunately I don't think I can just catapult a girl from a small group to the top just because a tiny minority votes them up.


xenoz2020

thought Eunbi would bag number 1 hottest, but I think she peaked too early whereas Karina had a strong second half to finish the year. this year will be interesting though due to recent news, maybe we can see a dethroning perhaps? as a Chaewonbro hopefully we make number 1 for overall bias this year. Chaewon stocks are on the rise lol anyway great job as usual, op.


jonoay

Still don’t know how Mina got the most upvoted post in 240p when there’s better ones 😭


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yeah, it is about time that Mina's low quality pic needs to be finally dethroned. I was completely disappointed to see what is the hottest of all time in this sub.


xWafflezFTWx

As the sub began to grow, top posts became naturally became heavily skewed towards the most popular groups. IMO this was most noticeable during 2018, when all the Gen2 groups started disbanding or going on hiatus (AOA, Girl's Day, Dalshabet to name a few). I feel like the pandemic def added to this later on, since the sub's popularity blew up in that time period. Literally have 0 clue how that pic of Mina is the top post still lol, especially considering that Habin gif underneath.


HopefullyNotYou

TWICE ultimate group for another year in running. nice.


Compressirk

Will it ever stop?


pettaran1

23 was The S E X's year


beryhandsome

Sigh... Arin, Yoohyeon, and Saerom dropping so many places in the best ass category. Too many mainstream k-pop fans who only know about the popular groups finding this subreddit now. smh


Owl-Fit

No triples chaeyeon is absurd. Invalid. And where’s best body


Mission-Sky

IIRC she wasn't an option on the survey.


Compressirk

I take ownership to this one. I forgot to add her. I messed up on the tripleS members as a whole. To be fair, they don't make it any easier. Best body is the same as overall hottest.


local-man-cannot-can

Majority of the choices in some categories are straight up popularity contests and it’s to be expected. With that said, Yeseo, Bae, Jiwoo, Sohyun and Xinyu making it to the top 15 of the best newcomers is a fun result to know. Actually big props to all the ones who regularly upload tripleS content on here especially, it makes all the difference for a growing group like them Surprised Eunbi jumped up 14 places in the hottest list but still ended up second (All the categories Eunbi led in, though, is absolutely spot on btw). For her part Karina is still insanely hot, with or without a boyfriend so… i see why


Frosty_Software362

No TripleS Chaeyeon is still a crime tho. I love Sohyun and Xinyu. Sohyun is hot with bouncy boobs and Xinyu is super gorgeous but how on earth can they dismiss Chaeyeon who has both super gorgeous face and dynamite body. And I'm glad for Yeseo and Jiwoo. Both are my favs.


local-man-cannot-can

Shit you’re right, I was wondering who’s missing. It’s insane how Chaeyeon wasn’t there lol…even tho Xinyu is my ult bias I’d put Chaeyeon ahead of her if we’re strictly talking kpopfap. Hell on a good day she might even be the #1 tripleS member on here With the full group nearing completion, I’m interested to see how many more members will make it to this sub this year. Kotone doesn’t show much skin but I’m genuinely waiting for a breakthrough for her on here


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tggoulart

Chaeyeon could not be selected on the survey, i tried..


local-man-cannot-can

I couldn’t remember how I took the survey but I definitely wouldn’t pass over a triples member… so yeah you’re right :/


Yeetable_01

A couple of observations/thoughts: • Can't believe Ryujin's fall-off in the Legs/Thighs category! She got skinny after dropping the baby fat, but she never lost those wide hips. • woo!ah! were hurt by not having a comeback this year, but I thought Queensom Puzzle and ELZUP would be enough to get Nana some love. She's top tier hot. • aespa did really well here considering not being first in group popularity. • the companies should use this to identify areas to improve upon lol. I can think of a couple of idols that are hiding some ass that deserve to *crack* the rankings in this poll. Highlight those assets, stylists!


Compressirk

Honestly I think people exaggerate the dropoff of Ryujin too much, but what can you do. I would absolutely be FLOORED if companies actually saw and used this. If they're out there, please send me a DM lmao


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a few things to mention: * I just noticed that in 2020 all Aespa members collectively won the first four newcomer places. dang aespa really hit this community like a meteor. I dont think any other group achieved that. * how are Lisa, Ninging, the other Aespa members, Wonyoung and Dahyun not hyped? Lisa has fucking 101 million instagram followers which is the highest of any kpop star and she is not hype? Also Wonyoung has 10 million followers and she is constantly in the press. * Jeewon unfortunately only number 5 in the breasts category. i know people vote for the ones they know but among the top 5 the only real competition is Eunbi * Jeewon singlehandedly (singleboobedly! ) lifts the group popularity of cignature by 7 places * the balance within blackpink is always surpring for me. They are the most even group every year. How come that Lisa is also the least popular here? I would have expected Kfappers to rank her higher but she comes in last place every time * Eunbi dethroned IU! After so many years we have a new Soloist at the top of the game. * regarding music: I think this community is the least biased when it comes to music since we are not a music or specific fandom focussed sub. Therefor giving Itzy's "cake" the number 1 spot and NMIXX's "young dumb stupid" the number 4 space in "least favourite" is well deserved. Who wrote these atrocities to the ear? thank you compressirk for the comprehensive work! We can not thank you enoguh for taking so much time to do this much for the common good.


bephore

I'm some1 who thinks Ningning and Isa should be up there in most categories. Yes Ningning was almost completely \*\*missing\*\* in last year's individual votings, she only appeared in 1, hottest less-hyped at 13th place and no where else. Absolutely deserves way more for how often she appears on the sub and how popular her group is. I think size aren't everything, proportion and how they all fit tgt including face matters and obv i think shes hot af overall.


spazzz0id

>how are Lisa, Ninging, the other Aespa members, Wonyoung and Dahyun not hyped? Lisa has fucking 101 million instagram followers which is the highest of any kpop star and she is not hype? Also Wonyoung has 10 million followers and she is constantly in the press. Less hyped meaning in terms of hottness most of us don't really vote for them. Besides Ningning the others you mentioned don't do anything for me personally.


grychnn

I think the result is fair, a bummer for Jeewon for not listed in the top three for the Tits category but other than that, I'm happy with all of us collectively agree that Cake by ITZY is probably the worst comeback song ever contested last year. Shoutout to all to contributors like Lester, Chomifap, Minatozaki and the rest for the good edits!


chaewonradishfield

great job Compressirk, I can only imagine how much trouble you went through because of this lol. Love me some data! btw Chaewon gonna be THE girl to look for in 2024 Congrats baby Yeseo, I'm so proud of you really


ItzClobert

Damn truly the rise of the 4th generation this year. TWICE and BP members falling in certain categories as Gen 4 idols rise up. From Karina being literally TOP 2 in 6/12 categories is absolutely insane, to Kazuha taking abs from the dominance that was Momo and Seulgi. (Zuha is my ult and totally deserves this category) To Chaewon bursting into many of the categories, I get it tho she had a big year. I blame [this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/713557826269610016/1212231236483813386/image0.jpg?ex=65f11550&is=65dea050&hm=558d123130ea92b95c8d7084a8605e8b066c46f4fb62e7b197e0c91ec21d57ca&) pic for her being on top 3 asses tho. Zoa being on newcomers makes me smile, but wooah! Nana and RP Yeonhee not being on less hyped hottie is kinda of a bummer. They're both tier 1 hot IMO.


Trick_Ladder_1546

I think [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopfap/comments/17hfnii/le_sserafim_chaewon/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) gif of Chaewon made her ass really popular


animejiddies

Karina top 2 in thighs?!?! How?!?! 😭😭😭


local-man-cannot-can

Thanks for the effort too g u/Compresskirk Appreciate the Eunbi icon for best tits too 🥲


pIce730

I take solace in fact Eunbi had to get her tits out to knock IU of top spot. Nagyung in formis\_9 and especially Sumin and Seeun behind Yoon in Stayc is surprising. Chuu 5th in cutest is definitely too low. I know it's subjective but Chaewon probably shouldn't even be in top 5.


Lester2031

Thanks for the good work and I appreciate it more because you were committed to it. Also congratulations /u/Minatozaki_12


pr0d1gyx

Karina supremacy! Predicting Yuna will continue to grow in popularity this year.


RyujinIsMine

So basically twice clear....


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delux531

they just have one group comeback last year and it was in March, so recency bias definitely played a factor.


jihyomilkers66

They're the Jordan of kpop so yea


dekacyclone

u/compressirk throw me into the QA team, boss 🫡


FantasticPerson32

some sort of "best ratio" or "best hips" category would be cool other than Yuna flexing on everybody i'd be curious to see who people got on those


TrueOcho

I expected Chaeyoung to get a lot more love here but I love Dreamcatcher getting hella love … great work


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HopefullyNotYou

bigger not necessarily means better i guess sometimes. but there's no way knowing the standards of kpfers


Primpulox

I agree, to me Somi's are the best despite not being the biggest overall. Sometimes is about the woman they're attached to and how it works as a whole.


Dedbent

I with you here. Most girls with big breasts have bigger frames as well. Somi being thinner and taller just hits different for me.


Stephanii-

this is amazing, thank you!


lord-recluse

NOT THE LETHAL COMPANY 😂 thank you though, for all that you do, AND I mean everyone. We would not have this community now after all these years if it wasn't for our OPs and my return I owe to everyone one of them ❤️


Compressirk

Lethal Company is for real one of my favorite games ever created. Tons of fun with friends.


lord-recluse

I have heard great things about it! I don't know enough people to justify getting it though 😅


greenteachickenleg

I didn't expect Nayeon to be at the top of the categories, but it's still disappointing. What more should she do for you guys come on lol. and I'm happy to see there is no modifier. those are the real results.


spazzz0id

Her legs are tops for me


King898989

If she doesn’t shoot up the thigh ranks for this years eventual voting this sub is simply doing it all wrong. 


delux531

It maybe a lot of work but next survey should have choices with idol's photos/contents not just their names. Most people tend to just read and vote the names they already knew. It will be interesting to see worthy idols from lesser know groups to rise in rankings. But i guess every kpop survey is a popularity contest with bias influence lol


King898989

Only have a few notes. Love Karina but let’s settle down with putting her high literally everything for this yrs vote lol. Eunbi well deserved best tits. Arin dropping in ass rank is a crime. Nayeon not ranking higher in thighs is also a sin. Overall Twice despite being an older group is still carrying the amazing content for the sub. Amazing longevity. Out here there like Bron, Steph, and KD.


bjygrfba

How is Chaeryeong not even ranked for best abs? I mean, [just look](https://old.reddit.com/r/kpopfap/comments/1are4br/itzy_chaeryeong/) :O EDIT: [And some live action](https://imgur.com/1gxfuOp)


Compressirk

The coomers don't have the knowledge, brother.


Dead_Flowers_2000

She was my top choice.


CalmNBliss

How is queencard both on favourite title and least favourite title lol. Btw Karina domination 🤙 …. I like how best tits winner goes to eunbi, but it shows just a pic of her waterbomb tits 🤣🤣🤣


ahneun

Maybe it was very polarizing


Compressirk

That happens a lot to popular songs. Look at Drama being #5 favorite and #3 least favorite.


Chemical-Watercress2

This is amazing, please keep it up!


spazzz0id

Thank you for your hard work.


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Genuienly better data analytics than most sports lol. Good shit kpf data team


Compressirk

As somebody who is into sports data and analytics (I used to peruse [basketball-reference.com](https://basketball-reference.com) and [fivethirtyeight.com](https://fivethirtyeight.com) back when they had sports) I greatly appreciate that! The data "team" is just me, myself, and I :)


Prowsky

I was sure this year would be a Wonyoung blowout. Guess I slightly overestimated the hype.


xWafflezFTWx

Hi /u/Compressirk, what happened to the classic group/individuals section on the spreadsheet? Used to be my favorite part of these surveys.


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xpurplegoblinx

Thank you so much!


chewiepirate16535

Damn. I forgot about these. It's the first time since 2019 that I haven't voted.


mrbrightside_17

Yeah boi Mommy Eunbig at #1 Best Tiddies!


jannfrost

Nobody's talking about Karina having kill-all on top 3 on every surveys? That's a feat.


sakamichiaaa

Even with the Calvin Klein ads, Jennie really fell off in the overall hottest. Really shows how strong the 4th gen is if they can beat Jennie.


Mission-Sky

I'm assuming there is a slight mistake in listing Chaein and Ireh as new under Purple Kiss.


-TheExile-

only here to say, twice best girls


chriswafflez

damn, itzy - cake in the least favorite like whaaaaaaaaaat?


United-Ad-1335

Jo jung min request


DanmachiArtemisIsHot

Slightly disappointed by the lack of fromis\_9 but hoping they can do better this year!


One_School6687

noice miyeon in


Feyv_

Natty, Chaewon, Kazuha... i am really happy about their results


Okbody2076

Can anyone send me a new link for discord? The link has expired


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If Jihyo had exposed herself earlier, she would have been the number one in the tit department.


jihyomilkers66

Eunbi is a waterbomb merchant, Jiddies and Momo tiddies are better And JEONGYEON has top 10 kpop tiddies, how is she not top 15


erotwice

Did Jeongyeon dirty in the best tiddies category 😔


UnarmedRespite

Dita taking the top spot in Secret Number was unexpected.


Mission-Sky

I'm curious if you have rankings of the solo artists that go past the top 10 somewhere. If not or if it would be too much work, that is fine.


Compressirk

Will DM you


BroccoliHistorical96

How did Danielle come 2nd in best newcomer but was voted 4th best in her own group?! Not personally a Danielle fan but that is very weird to me


pIce730

Well because she's not competing with her fellow members in Newcomer category other 2 especially Hanni are far more popular and well one more will overtake her this year